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	<title>Comments on: Managing Mom&#8217;s Money: An Update from Happy Acres</title>
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		<title>By: happygal</title>
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		<dc:creator>happygal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long-term care insurance is not cheap, but it less expensive the younger you are when you get it. We only have one child and don&#039;t want to be a financial burden on him, so we think LTC insurance is a very good idea. I am three months older than my husband. We signed up for LTC after my birthday but before his birthday, when we were 58. His premium is about $12 cheaper per quarter than mine. 

A couple of years ago, our financial manager suggested we might increase our LTC policy since care has increased so rapidly over the past few years. When we checked, it would have cost more to get a second smaller policy, than our original policy is costing us. We stuck with what we had and, if necessary, will pay for extra expenses from our personal funds.

A big concern of mine is that with all us baby boomers getting older, the cost of care will increase to the point where LTC premiums may increase or be prohibitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long-term care insurance is not cheap, but it less expensive the younger you are when you get it. We only have one child and don&#8217;t want to be a financial burden on him, so we think LTC insurance is a very good idea. I am three months older than my husband. We signed up for LTC after my birthday but before his birthday, when we were 58. His premium is about $12 cheaper per quarter than mine. </p>
<p>A couple of years ago, our financial manager suggested we might increase our LTC policy since care has increased so rapidly over the past few years. When we checked, it would have cost more to get a second smaller policy, than our original policy is costing us. We stuck with what we had and, if necessary, will pay for extra expenses from our personal funds.</p>
<p>A big concern of mine is that with all us baby boomers getting older, the cost of care will increase to the point where LTC premiums may increase or be prohibitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By now you may have figured them out, but if not, have you tried asking the bank for more information?  And/or challenging/disputing those charges? Simple inquiry often yields only slightly  more information, but if you dispute them, they can find out fast enough where the money when to in order to do a charge-back. Not that different from credit cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By now you may have figured them out, but if not, have you tried asking the bank for more information?  And/or challenging/disputing those charges? Simple inquiry often yields only slightly  more information, but if you dispute them, they can find out fast enough where the money when to in order to do a charge-back. Not that different from credit cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently had some of these discussions with Mom (82) with Elder Law Attorney after death of Dad (92--w/10+ years of intensive care-giving at home).  Attorney said everyone of ANY age should have an appointed POA who can step in when needed--because when you need one is too late to establish one. 

Yes, one needs to have a DURABLE POA so one can continue to function as POA when person is not longer competent.  But even that doesn&#039;t necessarily allow one to make all the necessary decisions and there may come a time to go to the courts to be appointed guardian.  It is helpful if the person in question nominates the guardian as it will reduce any sibling wrangling when the time comes.

(Note Leigh comment #134:  I believe you do have recourse to your sister&#039;s irresponsible handling of your mother&#039;s affairs, but you would probably have to challenge it in court, and be able to prove it. D/POAs should keep scrupulous books for their own protection for this reason.)

Similarly with advance care directives.  (BTW, new to this blog so don&#039;t know if these have been discussed, not seeing it in these comments so far.)  This is perhaps the hardest for everyone involved to handle and yet is the most important when the time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently had some of these discussions with Mom (82) with Elder Law Attorney after death of Dad (92&#8211;w/10+ years of intensive care-giving at home).  Attorney said everyone of ANY age should have an appointed POA who can step in when needed&#8211;because when you need one is too late to establish one. </p>
<p>Yes, one needs to have a DURABLE POA so one can continue to function as POA when person is not longer competent.  But even that doesn&#8217;t necessarily allow one to make all the necessary decisions and there may come a time to go to the courts to be appointed guardian.  It is helpful if the person in question nominates the guardian as it will reduce any sibling wrangling when the time comes.</p>
<p>(Note Leigh comment #134:  I believe you do have recourse to your sister&#8217;s irresponsible handling of your mother&#8217;s affairs, but you would probably have to challenge it in court, and be able to prove it. D/POAs should keep scrupulous books for their own protection for this reason.)</p>
<p>Similarly with advance care directives.  (BTW, new to this blog so don&#8217;t know if these have been discussed, not seeing it in these comments so far.)  This is perhaps the hardest for everyone involved to handle and yet is the most important when the time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to be careful about setting up joint accounts, particularly if your parent may someday face having to apply for Medicaid.  It muddies the waters in re: the value of assets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to be careful about setting up joint accounts, particularly if your parent may someday face having to apply for Medicaid.  It muddies the waters in re: the value of assets</p>
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		<title>By: Project Management Tools That Work (Bruce)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Project Management Tools That Work (Bruce)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 03:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are going through this with my in-laws.  We&#039;ve become experts (of a practical sort) on Medicare and Medicaid, POAs, etc.  Sorting out our in-laws finances (all those insurance policies, variable annuities, bills, cash flow, etc.) is the technical challenge. 

For everyone, it starts out scary, but once we got rolling, it was not too bad. Once a lot of the unknowns were known, it was not as intimidating (and they live 8 hours away from us, so a logistical challenge).

Two surprising lessons I&#039;ve learned, and neither are legal or financial:
1.  Being a senior citizen is hard work.  I need to get into (and stay in) physical shape before I get there.
2.  While they have various aliments for being in their late 80s, their biggest ailments really appear to be being out of shape and overweight.  For many of the folks I see at the nursing home, the same appears to be true (lots of good minds still out there!).

It sounds funny, but if we look at seniority as needing to be in the best shape of our lives (relatively speaking), then this might help us make good choices now. In this way it mirrors financial health.  We have to do hard things now (frugal, invest, etc.) to have financial health in the future. 

I tell my kids that they&#039;ll not have to do for me what we are doing for their grandparents (at least not for very long).  I&#039;ve been working hard everyday to be able to keep that promise.  I do tell them I plan to live actively to 100 with the sole purpose of driving them and grandkids/greatgrandkids crazy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are going through this with my in-laws.  We&#8217;ve become experts (of a practical sort) on Medicare and Medicaid, POAs, etc.  Sorting out our in-laws finances (all those insurance policies, variable annuities, bills, cash flow, etc.) is the technical challenge. </p>
<p>For everyone, it starts out scary, but once we got rolling, it was not too bad. Once a lot of the unknowns were known, it was not as intimidating (and they live 8 hours away from us, so a logistical challenge).</p>
<p>Two surprising lessons I&#8217;ve learned, and neither are legal or financial:<br />
1.  Being a senior citizen is hard work.  I need to get into (and stay in) physical shape before I get there.<br />
2.  While they have various aliments for being in their late 80s, their biggest ailments really appear to be being out of shape and overweight.  For many of the folks I see at the nursing home, the same appears to be true (lots of good minds still out there!).</p>
<p>It sounds funny, but if we look at seniority as needing to be in the best shape of our lives (relatively speaking), then this might help us make good choices now. In this way it mirrors financial health.  We have to do hard things now (frugal, invest, etc.) to have financial health in the future. </p>
<p>I tell my kids that they&#8217;ll not have to do for me what we are doing for their grandparents (at least not for very long).  I&#8217;ve been working hard everyday to be able to keep that promise.  I do tell them I plan to live actively to 100 with the sole purpose of driving them and grandkids/greatgrandkids crazy!</p>
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		<title>By: jenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I strongly recommend getting new bank accounts and/or credit cards with more than one person on the signature cards, or at least adding your name to the signature cards of the existing accounts. That way, if something does happen to her, you still have access to the money/accounts, which could be frozen otherwise.&lt;/i&gt;

This is often more important for couples (like JD and Kris) or situations where the child is living with the parent. If the parent dies and the child doesn&#039;t have access to the account, not paying the rent means the child could get evicted. If the parent lives alone and dies and the money isn&#039;t accessible then ... you can&#039;t pay the next month&#039;s rent on an empty apartment. 

Key thing is, what&#039;s the plan and goals? 

I&#039;m not adding myself to my father&#039;s checking account because I won&#039;t need to pay rent his care home after he passes. Morbid, but true. I am also fine with telling other creditors to file a claim against his estate. (And no, I&#039;m not worried about the cost of probate. I already cashed out his life insurance to pay hospital bills, so I won&#039;t inherit anything. Probate provides a process to organize posthumous bills and pay them in the state-approved order -- which means I can justify which ones get paid and which don&#039;t as &quot;I followed the law.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I strongly recommend getting new bank accounts and/or credit cards with more than one person on the signature cards, or at least adding your name to the signature cards of the existing accounts. That way, if something does happen to her, you still have access to the money/accounts, which could be frozen otherwise.</i></p>
<p>This is often more important for couples (like JD and Kris) or situations where the child is living with the parent. If the parent dies and the child doesn&#8217;t have access to the account, not paying the rent means the child could get evicted. If the parent lives alone and dies and the money isn&#8217;t accessible then &#8230; you can&#8217;t pay the next month&#8217;s rent on an empty apartment. </p>
<p>Key thing is, what&#8217;s the plan and goals? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not adding myself to my father&#8217;s checking account because I won&#8217;t need to pay rent his care home after he passes. Morbid, but true. I am also fine with telling other creditors to file a claim against his estate. (And no, I&#8217;m not worried about the cost of probate. I already cashed out his life insurance to pay hospital bills, so I won&#8217;t inherit anything. Probate provides a process to organize posthumous bills and pay them in the state-approved order &#8212; which means I can justify which ones get paid and which don&#8217;t as &#8220;I followed the law.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: jenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also naïve.  If you haven&#039;t done elder care, especially dementia care, you really don&#039;t know what you&#039;re in for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also naïve.  If you haven&#8217;t done elder care, especially dementia care, you really don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re in for.</p>
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		<title>By: jenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should, yes, but parents don&#039;t always want to admit they need help, relationships may be strained, kids may not live close by, etc.

I first offered to help my dad manage his finances over 5 years ago, and have been regularly offering ever since. He said no right up until I got social services involved in March ... which is also when he needed to be hospitalized due to severe anemia, and his memory problems became more apparent. 

He also has no savings and he let his Medicare supplemental policy lapse over a year prior. :(  

He went from the hospital to a nursing home, and is now in an adult family home. The medical bills have strapped his finances and he&#039;s now applied for Medicaid and VA Aid &amp; Assistance benefits. If he&#039;d had his supplemental policy in force it would&#039;ve covered a lot of this --- but now that he&#039;s diagnosed with cancer it will be difficult or impossible to get a supplemental policy.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should, yes, but parents don&#8217;t always want to admit they need help, relationships may be strained, kids may not live close by, etc.</p>
<p>I first offered to help my dad manage his finances over 5 years ago, and have been regularly offering ever since. He said no right up until I got social services involved in March &#8230; which is also when he needed to be hospitalized due to severe anemia, and his memory problems became more apparent. </p>
<p>He also has no savings and he let his Medicare supplemental policy lapse over a year prior. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>He went from the hospital to a nursing home, and is now in an adult family home. The medical bills have strapped his finances and he&#8217;s now applied for Medicaid and VA Aid &amp; Assistance benefits. If he&#8217;d had his supplemental policy in force it would&#8217;ve covered a lot of this &#8212; but now that he&#8217;s diagnosed with cancer it will be difficult or impossible to get a supplemental policy.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but did you see where he says that she seems better where she is now?  That sort of argues against the &quot;she&#039;s an introvert&quot; and needs to be alone idea.  

Is there a chance of getting a different roommate?  If there are opportunities to move to another room, that might be a good compromise, especially if there is some choice available as to who she&#039;d move in with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but did you see where he says that she seems better where she is now?  That sort of argues against the &#8220;she&#8217;s an introvert&#8221; and needs to be alone idea.  </p>
<p>Is there a chance of getting a different roommate?  If there are opportunities to move to another room, that might be a good compromise, especially if there is some choice available as to who she&#8217;d move in with.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a lot of the situations where a spouse ends up doing full-time care, I&#039;ve seen that the healthy spouse often ends up dying *before* the unhealthy spouse.  The stress of 24/7 care, especially if there&#039;s memory loss/dementia seems to age a person very rapidly.  

Off the top of my head, I can think of at least a handful of friends to whom this situation happened.  Obviously I have no statistics, but I do think it&#039;s one thing in favor of not having a family member devote their life to long-term care without a lot of thought as to how it will affect them.  Especially if that person has to quit a job that could provide for him or her when there are health issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a lot of the situations where a spouse ends up doing full-time care, I&#8217;ve seen that the healthy spouse often ends up dying *before* the unhealthy spouse.  The stress of 24/7 care, especially if there&#8217;s memory loss/dementia seems to age a person very rapidly.  </p>
<p>Off the top of my head, I can think of at least a handful of friends to whom this situation happened.  Obviously I have no statistics, but I do think it&#8217;s one thing in favor of not having a family member devote their life to long-term care without a lot of thought as to how it will affect them.  Especially if that person has to quit a job that could provide for him or her when there are health issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to learn about your mother&#039;s illness and physical condition.  I, too, feel that your sharing all this will be extremely helpful to people who read your blog.
Coy and I have recently drawn up a financial summary of our $$$ and we have shared it with one of our three children.  I am committed to sharing with the other two sooner, rather than later (schedules seem to be crowded in all our lives).  We think this is vey important.
We still talk about how wonderful the Africa trip was!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to learn about your mother&#8217;s illness and physical condition.  I, too, feel that your sharing all this will be extremely helpful to people who read your blog.<br />
Coy and I have recently drawn up a financial summary of our $$$ and we have shared it with one of our three children.  I am committed to sharing with the other two sooner, rather than later (schedules seem to be crowded in all our lives).  We think this is vey important.<br />
We still talk about how wonderful the Africa trip was!</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not suggesting hiding money or stealing from taxpayers.  This a full-disclosure process defined under medicaid rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not suggesting hiding money or stealing from taxpayers.  This a full-disclosure process defined under medicaid rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Vale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are truly blessed with your siblings being cooperative and supportive during this confusing and emotional time.  I did not have this and consequently have not spoken to any of my siblings in nearly a year.  The durable POA was in the wrong hands and I was betrayed and stolen from - consider yourself very lucky.  Which I am sure you do!  :)  Take care of yourself - PUT DOWN THAT TWINKIE!#*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are truly blessed with your siblings being cooperative and supportive during this confusing and emotional time.  I did not have this and consequently have not spoken to any of my siblings in nearly a year.  The durable POA was in the wrong hands and I was betrayed and stolen from &#8211; consider yourself very lucky.  Which I am sure you do!  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Take care of yourself &#8211; PUT DOWN THAT TWINKIE!#*</p>
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		<title>By: ChipsMoneyTips</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipsMoneyTips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there, J.D. and anyone who has to go through this.  My mom was in a nursing home for eight years.  Then my dad did a 2 1/2 year tour.

Regarding life insurance policies, do some number crunching.  You may find yourself in a situation like I did.  My dad had a policy that got really expensive.  But I ran the numbers and realized he would have to live 12 years before it would not make sense to have paid on it.

My siblings and I found ourselves in a weird position of doing everything possible to help him live, while basically having a financial stake in him dying.  It was kinda crazy!

Our decision was not as tough as it sounds.  Because we could not imagine him living a dozen years, we kept paying the policy.  The end result was that his policy left us each a nice gift.  I&#039;m certain that the insurance company would have preferred I cancelled the policy instead of crunching doing the math.

Chip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there, J.D. and anyone who has to go through this.  My mom was in a nursing home for eight years.  Then my dad did a 2 1/2 year tour.</p>
<p>Regarding life insurance policies, do some number crunching.  You may find yourself in a situation like I did.  My dad had a policy that got really expensive.  But I ran the numbers and realized he would have to live 12 years before it would not make sense to have paid on it.</p>
<p>My siblings and I found ourselves in a weird position of doing everything possible to help him live, while basically having a financial stake in him dying.  It was kinda crazy!</p>
<p>Our decision was not as tough as it sounds.  Because we could not imagine him living a dozen years, we kept paying the policy.  The end result was that his policy left us each a nice gift.  I&#8217;m certain that the insurance company would have preferred I cancelled the policy instead of crunching doing the math.</p>
<p>Chip</p>
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		<title>By: Annelise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annelise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Amanda, honey, your comment literally caused me to facepalm - there&#039;s nothing wrong with me. That is the whole point! I don&#039;t need a therapist - I&#039;m perfectly happy as I am. I&#039;m just made this way. You probably just don&#039;t understand because you yourself are an extrovert. If I were put in a communal home in a shared room, I&#039;d hate it. That&#039;s why I suggested JD&#039;s mom might just be introverted rather than &quot;phobic&quot;. Running to therapists whenever you have any kind of problem is definitely not a recipe for getting rich slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Amanda, honey, your comment literally caused me to facepalm &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing wrong with me. That is the whole point! I don&#8217;t need a therapist &#8211; I&#8217;m perfectly happy as I am. I&#8217;m just made this way. You probably just don&#8217;t understand because you yourself are an extrovert. If I were put in a communal home in a shared room, I&#8217;d hate it. That&#8217;s why I suggested JD&#8217;s mom might just be introverted rather than &#8220;phobic&#8221;. Running to therapists whenever you have any kind of problem is definitely not a recipe for getting rich slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. My sibling has total power of attorney for our mother and I am now watching her spend our mother&#039;s money even worse than the second husband did since she doesn&#039;t have enough of her own. But I have no legal recourse because I am not a joint holder on the power of attorney. It&#039;s disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. My sibling has total power of attorney for our mother and I am now watching her spend our mother&#8217;s money even worse than the second husband did since she doesn&#8217;t have enough of her own. But I have no legal recourse because I am not a joint holder on the power of attorney. It&#8217;s disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D. - I&#039;m just writing to say I&#039;ve been there, and you have my heartfelt sympathy.  Getting a parent&#039;s financial affairs in order is extremely time-consuming, like having a second job.  If it also involves cleaning out and selling a house, that&#039;s a whole other layer of complication.  It was a huge relief when the dust finally settled, but it took almost a year.

You might want to look into assisted care facilities that will take Medicare as payment, if and when your mother&#039;s funds are depleted.  I remember being told this is often the case with facilities associated with churches, and the ones my sister and I visited were very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D. &#8211; I&#8217;m just writing to say I&#8217;ve been there, and you have my heartfelt sympathy.  Getting a parent&#8217;s financial affairs in order is extremely time-consuming, like having a second job.  If it also involves cleaning out and selling a house, that&#8217;s a whole other layer of complication.  It was a huge relief when the dust finally settled, but it took almost a year.</p>
<p>You might want to look into assisted care facilities that will take Medicare as payment, if and when your mother&#8217;s funds are depleted.  I remember being told this is often the case with facilities associated with churches, and the ones my sister and I visited were very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t you want to keep your mom&#039;s assisted living home name private?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you want to keep your mom&#8217;s assisted living home name private?!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trokyman your comment seems insensitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trokyman your comment seems insensitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing Philly because GRS staff writer Donna Freedman was there last week and wrote about all those items!

I&#039;d never heard of a tasty cake before.  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing Philly because GRS staff writer Donna Freedman was there last week and wrote about all those items!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never heard of a tasty cake before.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To a limited extent the elderly can start narrowing down their wealth (if they have any) long before the start to get ill.  $13,000 may be gifted to each individual with no tax effect.  It should also not create a problem with Medicaid.

However, if you gift your home to someone it creates a tax situation and a Medicaid 5 year lookback issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To a limited extent the elderly can start narrowing down their wealth (if they have any) long before the start to get ill.  $13,000 may be gifted to each individual with no tax effect.  It should also not create a problem with Medicaid.</p>
<p>However, if you gift your home to someone it creates a tax situation and a Medicaid 5 year lookback issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One elderly man I know watches CNN 18 hours a day (I wish he&#039;d take advantage of the programs offered in his pioneer home!) so of course he knows the year and President!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One elderly man I know watches CNN 18 hours a day (I wish he&#8217;d take advantage of the programs offered in his pioneer home!) so of course he knows the year and President!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should see a therapist to make sure it&#039;s not something more than being an introvert.

If his mom is enjoying herself around the others, as JD mentioned, your diagnosis is probably incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should see a therapist to make sure it&#8217;s not something more than being an introvert.</p>
<p>If his mom is enjoying herself around the others, as JD mentioned, your diagnosis is probably incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would love to read a post about Power of Attorney, and Durable Power of Attorney as well. As an adult only child of divorced, now-single parents, I foresee going through issues like this more than once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one would love to read a post about Power of Attorney, and Durable Power of Attorney as well. As an adult only child of divorced, now-single parents, I foresee going through issues like this more than once.</p>
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		<title>By: Cari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D., thank you for sharing your story (and your mother&#039;s) with us. It&#039;s a wake-up call for everyone of our generation, I think, to realize that our parents are not immortal. My grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer&#039;s disease about 30 years ago (before anyone really knew what it was or how to deal with it) and my grandfather was diagnosed with Parkinson&#039;s around the same time. My mother ended up taking over all their financial affairs, as well as arranging for in-home care. It was a challenge for her because they weren&#039;t well organized or documented. With the Alzheimer&#039;s, my grandmother &#039;hid&#039; money and &#039;forgot&#039; about accounts. You are fortunate that your family is pulling together in this situation, the opposite happened in mine. 

I strongly recommend getting new bank accounts and/or credit cards with more than one person on the signature cards, or at least adding your name to the signature cards of the existing accounts. That way, if something does happen to her, you still have access to the money/accounts, which could be frozen otherwise. 

You have to remember to take care of yourself in all of this too. As someone else said, oftentimes the caregiver suffers mentally, emotionally, and physically when devoting themselves the care recipient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D., thank you for sharing your story (and your mother&#8217;s) with us. It&#8217;s a wake-up call for everyone of our generation, I think, to realize that our parents are not immortal. My grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer&#8217;s disease about 30 years ago (before anyone really knew what it was or how to deal with it) and my grandfather was diagnosed with Parkinson&#8217;s around the same time. My mother ended up taking over all their financial affairs, as well as arranging for in-home care. It was a challenge for her because they weren&#8217;t well organized or documented. With the Alzheimer&#8217;s, my grandmother &#8216;hid&#8217; money and &#8216;forgot&#8217; about accounts. You are fortunate that your family is pulling together in this situation, the opposite happened in mine. </p>
<p>I strongly recommend getting new bank accounts and/or credit cards with more than one person on the signature cards, or at least adding your name to the signature cards of the existing accounts. That way, if something does happen to her, you still have access to the money/accounts, which could be frozen otherwise. </p>
<p>You have to remember to take care of yourself in all of this too. As someone else said, oftentimes the caregiver suffers mentally, emotionally, and physically when devoting themselves the care recipient.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Power of Attorney (POA) can only be granted by someone who has the mental capacity to do so and once they no longer have that same capacity (for example, dementia), the POA no longer exists. In fact, it is basically useless in such circumstances.  However, a DURABLE POA would remain in effect even after mental capacity has come into question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Power of Attorney (POA) can only be granted by someone who has the mental capacity to do so and once they no longer have that same capacity (for example, dementia), the POA no longer exists. In fact, it is basically useless in such circumstances.  However, a DURABLE POA would remain in effect even after mental capacity has come into question.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the sibs live all over the US then each person should look for care in their area.  My mother is in Phoenix and the care there is much closer to $60,000.  My mother in law was in Idaho and her care was about $48,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the sibs live all over the US then each person should look for care in their area.  My mother is in Phoenix and the care there is much closer to $60,000.  My mother in law was in Idaho and her care was about $48,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Janette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen families distribute the wealth early---establishing an account for their mother under their own names. That way they can pay things for mom when she needs them- without bankrupting to get to the very bottom.  

There is also &quot;homesteading&quot;. This helps the spouse of a person in a nursing home to not be pushed out of their house when funds get to the bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen families distribute the wealth early&#8212;establishing an account for their mother under their own names. That way they can pay things for mom when she needs them- without bankrupting to get to the very bottom.  </p>
<p>There is also &#8220;homesteading&#8221;. This helps the spouse of a person in a nursing home to not be pushed out of their house when funds get to the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is her care facility really called &quot;Happy Acres&quot;?  That seems ludicrous.  Or perhaps you are using the name for privacy sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is her care facility really called &#8220;Happy Acres&#8221;?  That seems ludicrous.  Or perhaps you are using the name for privacy sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are doing a great job. It takes time to get these things sorted out. I watched my mother (an only child) do this with her mother when my grandfather died. You&#039;re right. The Power of Attorney is ESSENTIAL.

On the moving in thing. Don&#039;t feel guilty. Your mother&#039;s condition means she needs medical assistance. If you were to move her to your home, you would need to hire a full time medical professional to give her the kind of care she is getting where she is. 

Also, while there is this horrible connotation out to the idea of &quot;putting someone in a &#039;home&#039;.&quot; the situation really depends on the people involved.
My grandmother now lives on the assisted living floor of a lovely seniors residence. It&#039;s nearby so my mother visits multiple times a week and it&#039;s a much better setting for my grandmother. She has mobility issues and the place has ramps and elevators and wide halls for walkers. My parents live in a 100 year old Victorian home - retrofitting that place so my grandmother could live comfortably there would be expensive and close to impossible (when she comes to visit, we have her sit in a lawn chair and carry her up the stairs).

Living where she does, she retains some of her independence as the residence runs activities she can choose to go to, brings in clothing companies she can shop at and arranges regular bus trips on accessible buses. It&#039;s like living in a mini village or on a cruise ship.

If she lived with my parents she&#039;d be stuck in the house all day with limited company and likely would not being doing as well as she is.

It is a cultural thing but I find that in North America, older people often really value their independence and sense they can take care of themselves. A lot of good residences give professional care while still allowing the residents to function independently and choose how to spend their days.

It&#039;s not the right choice for everyone but it has been for my grandmother who loves having her own space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are doing a great job. It takes time to get these things sorted out. I watched my mother (an only child) do this with her mother when my grandfather died. You&#8217;re right. The Power of Attorney is ESSENTIAL.</p>
<p>On the moving in thing. Don&#8217;t feel guilty. Your mother&#8217;s condition means she needs medical assistance. If you were to move her to your home, you would need to hire a full time medical professional to give her the kind of care she is getting where she is. </p>
<p>Also, while there is this horrible connotation out to the idea of &#8220;putting someone in a &#8216;home&#8217;.&#8221; the situation really depends on the people involved.<br />
My grandmother now lives on the assisted living floor of a lovely seniors residence. It&#8217;s nearby so my mother visits multiple times a week and it&#8217;s a much better setting for my grandmother. She has mobility issues and the place has ramps and elevators and wide halls for walkers. My parents live in a 100 year old Victorian home &#8211; retrofitting that place so my grandmother could live comfortably there would be expensive and close to impossible (when she comes to visit, we have her sit in a lawn chair and carry her up the stairs).</p>
<p>Living where she does, she retains some of her independence as the residence runs activities she can choose to go to, brings in clothing companies she can shop at and arranges regular bus trips on accessible buses. It&#8217;s like living in a mini village or on a cruise ship.</p>
<p>If she lived with my parents she&#8217;d be stuck in the house all day with limited company and likely would not being doing as well as she is.</p>
<p>It is a cultural thing but I find that in North America, older people often really value their independence and sense they can take care of themselves. A lot of good residences give professional care while still allowing the residents to function independently and choose how to spend their days.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the right choice for everyone but it has been for my grandmother who loves having her own space.</p>
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