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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/09/15/eight-little-known-facts-about-the-roth-ira/comment-page-1/#comment-2265522</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need what is called a &quot;self directed IRA,&quot; but it should be possible. This is a specific enough question that you should probably consult an accountant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need what is called a &#8220;self directed IRA,&#8221; but it should be possible. This is a specific enough question that you should probably consult an accountant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question on Roth IRA&#039;s.  
Can it be used to buy stock in a Private Company.  
My friend is launching a new venture and has offered to sell me 1,000 share of stock in it for $1,000.
Can I put some of my Roth IRA money into it and how do I hold the stock if allowed by the Roth IRA plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question on Roth IRA&#8217;s.<br />
Can it be used to buy stock in a Private Company.<br />
My friend is launching a new venture and has offered to sell me 1,000 share of stock in it for $1,000.<br />
Can I put some of my Roth IRA money into it and how do I hold the stock if allowed by the Roth IRA plan.</p>
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		<title>By: shkim.K</title>
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		<dc:creator>shkim.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every one pays tax.Well there are some exceptions to that.I am not in numbers but i know how to handle money wisely.Almost all of the people in United States have credit cards.Just a couple years ago, credit cards were the weapon of choice for most American customers. The Good Recession of 2008 changed all that. The use and balances of credit cards by American customers has fallen drastically in the last three years. And while that may be smart and responsible from the standpoint of personal finances, the good sense of these consumers does have a negative effect on a shaky economy that runs on credit. That is a practical policy from the perspective of finances. But in the large picture, it might well hurt the economy. Source of article: &lt;a title=&quot;Economic growth depends on spending and paying bills on time&quot; href=&quot;http://personalmoneynetwork.com/moneyblog/2011/09/14/credit-card-use-declining-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economic growth depends on spending and paying bills on time&lt;/a&gt; Everyone must responsible in terms of spending their money.Only buy the things that you need and not the things you want becuas if you but the things you want you can find yourself spending too much.And buy only the things that you&#039;re sure that you can pay easily.And it is also practical to invest on something that you will benefit a lot for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one pays tax.Well there are some exceptions to that.I am not in numbers but i know how to handle money wisely.Almost all of the people in United States have credit cards.Just a couple years ago, credit cards were the weapon of choice for most American customers. The Good Recession of 2008 changed all that. The use and balances of credit cards by American customers has fallen drastically in the last three years. And while that may be smart and responsible from the standpoint of personal finances, the good sense of these consumers does have a negative effect on a shaky economy that runs on credit. That is a practical policy from the perspective of finances. But in the large picture, it might well hurt the economy. Source of article: <a title="Economic growth depends on spending and paying bills on time" href="http://personalmoneynetwork.com/moneyblog/2011/09/14/credit-card-use-declining-2/" rel="nofollow">Economic growth depends on spending and paying bills on time</a> Everyone must responsible in terms of spending their money.Only buy the things that you need and not the things you want becuas if you but the things you want you can find yourself spending too much.And buy only the things that you&#8217;re sure that you can pay easily.And it is also practical to invest on something that you will benefit a lot for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know the answer to all of Allan&#039;s questions, but he raises an excellent point that relates to &quot;tax diversity&quot; and age. 

Most people are going to move into a higher tax bracket as they get older. That means the tax deferral from a traditional IRA has a larger benefit. On the other hand, when you are in a very low tax bracket the Roth contribution is taxed at that lower rate. 

So if you are looking to have &quot;tax diversity&quot; in your retirement funds, putting money into a Roth when you are younger and in a lower tax bracket makes sense. As you get older, you can add money to your tax deferred accounts to create tax diversity.  Tax diversity has no practical consequences until after you retire and start taking money out. It doesn&#039;t really matter when you contributed the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer to all of Allan&#8217;s questions, but he raises an excellent point that relates to &#8220;tax diversity&#8221; and age. </p>
<p>Most people are going to move into a higher tax bracket as they get older. That means the tax deferral from a traditional IRA has a larger benefit. On the other hand, when you are in a very low tax bracket the Roth contribution is taxed at that lower rate. </p>
<p>So if you are looking to have &#8220;tax diversity&#8221; in your retirement funds, putting money into a Roth when you are younger and in a lower tax bracket makes sense. As you get older, you can add money to your tax deferred accounts to create tax diversity.  Tax diversity has no practical consequences until after you retire and start taking money out. It doesn&#8217;t really matter when you contributed the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to convert 401k into Roth IRA? Is it worth it?
I recently graduated college and have a small Roth 401k account with my company. My company participate in a ROTH 401k matching program. I believe every 1$ I contribute (aftertax), they contribute $1 (before tax). I was told that it is a great time to convert my 401k into a Roth IRA because 1) i am in the low bracket 2) i wont need to pay as much taxes as my investment is a little under water. Therefore it is a great time to convert.

Questions
1) Am I allow to convert if I am still with the same employer or I would have to leave? 
1) If i do convert, will this add to my gross income? What portion? I assume the taxable amount (company match)
2) What are the steps to convert needed to convert from my company Roth 401k to IRA Roth?
3) I know there is a 5000$ limit on the amount I can contribute to the Roth IRA, does this include rollover also? What portion will be part of the 5000$ limit? I assume the taxable amount (company match)?
4) This rollover, will this be consider a contribution where I can always take out the money or be consider part of earnings? I assume my portion that I contribute to the Roth 401k will be consider contribution into the account, but how about the company&#039;s match? Am I allow to take this out anytimes as this is a contribution from the company?

Please HELP! I am trying to plan for graduate school few years out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to convert 401k into Roth IRA? Is it worth it?<br />
I recently graduated college and have a small Roth 401k account with my company. My company participate in a ROTH 401k matching program. I believe every 1$ I contribute (aftertax), they contribute $1 (before tax). I was told that it is a great time to convert my 401k into a Roth IRA because 1) i am in the low bracket 2) i wont need to pay as much taxes as my investment is a little under water. Therefore it is a great time to convert.</p>
<p>Questions<br />
1) Am I allow to convert if I am still with the same employer or I would have to leave?<br />
1) If i do convert, will this add to my gross income? What portion? I assume the taxable amount (company match)<br />
2) What are the steps to convert needed to convert from my company Roth 401k to IRA Roth?<br />
3) I know there is a 5000$ limit on the amount I can contribute to the Roth IRA, does this include rollover also? What portion will be part of the 5000$ limit? I assume the taxable amount (company match)?<br />
4) This rollover, will this be consider a contribution where I can always take out the money or be consider part of earnings? I assume my portion that I contribute to the Roth 401k will be consider contribution into the account, but how about the company&#8217;s match? Am I allow to take this out anytimes as this is a contribution from the company?</p>
<p>Please HELP! I am trying to plan for graduate school few years out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t contribute to a Roth IRA from savings. But your spouse can make a contribution for you, assuming they have enough earned income this year, and you can take the money out of your savings to make the contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t contribute to a Roth IRA from savings. But your spouse can make a contribution for you, assuming they have enough earned income this year, and you can take the money out of your savings to make the contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Lahmacun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lahmacun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently unemployed but do not receive unemployment or any other financial assitance, as I am currently being supported by my spouse. I have some money in savings that was already taxed as income when I first earned it in years I was working. Can I contribute to my Roth IRA from my savings this year, even though I didn&#039;t earn the money this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently unemployed but do not receive unemployment or any other financial assitance, as I am currently being supported by my spouse. I have some money in savings that was already taxed as income when I first earned it in years I was working. Can I contribute to my Roth IRA from my savings this year, even though I didn&#8217;t earn the money this year?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to remember that the government is no more likely to act in a way that adversely impacts having a Roth IRA than it is to adversely effect traditional IRA&#039;s. For instance, as someone pointed out, a VAT would apply to money spent from those or any other source. 

I think hardly anyone under 30 should be saving for retirement unless their employer is matching their money. But a Roth is a way to  save money that you may or may not need without tying it up until age 59. If it turns out you never need it, great, you got a head start on your retirement fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to remember that the government is no more likely to act in a way that adversely impacts having a Roth IRA than it is to adversely effect traditional IRA&#8217;s. For instance, as someone pointed out, a VAT would apply to money spent from those or any other source. </p>
<p>I think hardly anyone under 30 should be saving for retirement unless their employer is matching their money. But a Roth is a way to  save money that you may or may not need without tying it up until age 59. If it turns out you never need it, great, you got a head start on your retirement fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Reasons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Reasons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, I&#039;m always correcting misinformation (especially this point: The Roth IRA can be used for other savings goals) that I hear at work.  Ironically, I work at a financial firm, so I&#039;m always shocked to hear such misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, I&#8217;m always correcting misinformation (especially this point: The Roth IRA can be used for other savings goals) that I hear at work.  Ironically, I work at a financial firm, so I&#8217;m always shocked to hear such misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think people would fall for it, though. It is possible that there could be enough voters without Roth&#039;s at some point in the future, that they could get away with it (vote to take money away from those &quot;rich&quot; people). On the other hand I think that between the allure of the word &quot;free&quot;, and poorly considered advice such as the above and Tent Hamm&#039;s neverending beating of the Roth drum, many people do have Roths (including many for whom it is inappropriate - including some people commenting on this thread!)

It&#039;s also possible that some future government will choose to sieze all IRA balances &quot;for the good of the people.&quot; You never know. Investing in anything but nonperishable food and the guns to defend it is always a risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think people would fall for it, though. It is possible that there could be enough voters without Roth&#8217;s at some point in the future, that they could get away with it (vote to take money away from those &#8220;rich&#8221; people). On the other hand I think that between the allure of the word &#8220;free&#8221;, and poorly considered advice such as the above and Tent Hamm&#8217;s neverending beating of the Roth drum, many people do have Roths (including many for whom it is inappropriate &#8211; including some people commenting on this thread!)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also possible that some future government will choose to sieze all IRA balances &#8220;for the good of the people.&#8221; You never know. Investing in anything but nonperishable food and the guns to defend it is always a risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Elayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Jeff. I work for a university so they only offer 403b. I&#039;ll be going with Fidelity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Jeff. I work for a university so they only offer 403b. I&#8217;ll be going with Fidelity.</p>
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		<title>By: Elayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan. Yes I am definately going to contribute %5. Once I get a part-time job I&#039;ll be putting in more. My goal is to be able to put in the max for ppl over 50. I may not be able to do it this tax year but def from the next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan. Yes I am definately going to contribute %5. Once I get a part-time job I&#8217;ll be putting in more. My goal is to be able to put in the max for ppl over 50. I may not be able to do it this tax year but def from the next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you&#039;re right that there are certain groups (usually public employees of certain states) that don&#039;t pay into Social Security, but instead pay into their own pension system.  But those groups opted out of Social Security, rather than not being eligible for social security.  

Either way, my first rule of thumb was just talking about students.  I&#039;m not sure I can think of any &quot;real jobs&quot; that aren&#039;t considered earned income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you&#8217;re right that there are certain groups (usually public employees of certain states) that don&#8217;t pay into Social Security, but instead pay into their own pension system.  But those groups opted out of Social Security, rather than not being eligible for social security.  </p>
<p>Either way, my first rule of thumb was just talking about students.  I&#8217;m not sure I can think of any &#8220;real jobs&#8221; that aren&#8217;t considered earned income.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, whether or not you get a W-2 is a better rule of thumb.  As for me, I don&#039;t get one, and thus none of my fellowship is considered earned income.  What&#039;s fascinating to me is that at my institution, how graduate students are paid depends on where the funds to pay them come from.  If the money comes from the NIH, it&#039;s considered earned income (and they have to pay Social Security taxes), but other funding sources don&#039;t require this.  My fellowship previously came from a private foundation and now from the state of California, but sadly neither one is considered earned income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, whether or not you get a W-2 is a better rule of thumb.  As for me, I don&#8217;t get one, and thus none of my fellowship is considered earned income.  What&#8217;s fascinating to me is that at my institution, how graduate students are paid depends on where the funds to pay them come from.  If the money comes from the NIH, it&#8217;s considered earned income (and they have to pay Social Security taxes), but other funding sources don&#8217;t require this.  My fellowship previously came from a private foundation and now from the state of California, but sadly neither one is considered earned income.</p>
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		<title>By: krantcents</title>
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		<dc:creator>krantcents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I meant was closer horizon than retirement.  In some cases that could be ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant was closer horizon than retirement.  In some cases that could be ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Roth??
I always believed it was named after JD Roth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Roth??<br />
I always believed it was named after JD Roth!</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying that you are wrong about your own personal situation with the fellowship, but I would like to present a situation that seems very similar on the surface but was actually very different, tax-wise.

I received a stipend as a graduate student, and it WAS considered earned income for Roth IRA contribution purposes -- I actually asked a financial planner about this, and she told me that the fact that it was reported on a W2 (not some other form) was what made it &quot;earned income.&quot; It is not about whether social security payroll taxes are withheld.

There are many people who have earned income but are not required to pay social security taxes. Many graduate students are exempt from social security taxes when they earn money as part of a training program. I actually looked into this because I wanted to understand it, and it seems there is a law called the federal insurance contributions act that determines whether student workers pay social security or not. The gist of it is, if you are required to do work as part of your training program, you don&#039;t have to pay social security payroll taxes. For example, I was paid to be a teaching assistant, which was required for my degree (no TA experience = no degree). So, the U. didn&#039;t withhold social security taxes during the school year. They made that choice, probably based on federal law. It is actually fascinating, and there have been some recent legal changes w.r.t medical residency as to whether they are exempt from social security. Other groups, like public school teacher employees in CA, don&#039;t (normally?) pay social security payroll taxes. Their income is reported on W2 forms (at least the teachers I know) and is certainly considered earned.

So there can be some major tax differences depending on each individual situation, even when the situations look very similar (and a graduate fellowship can be very similar to a research assistantship, as we know). I&#039;m posting all this because I don&#039;t want graduate students who read this to automatically assume that they aren&#039;t earning income if social security isn&#039;t withheld from their paycheck. That is not necessarily true. Your income can still be earned and you still might be able to have a Roth IRA.

I think a better rule of thumb would be that if the money is reported on a W2 as earned wages, it will likely be considered earned income, regardless of whether you are exempt from social security payroll taxes or not. Of course a tax professional could probably explain this much better than I can, but I thought I&#039;d share my different experience with grad school stipend income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that you are wrong about your own personal situation with the fellowship, but I would like to present a situation that seems very similar on the surface but was actually very different, tax-wise.</p>
<p>I received a stipend as a graduate student, and it WAS considered earned income for Roth IRA contribution purposes &#8212; I actually asked a financial planner about this, and she told me that the fact that it was reported on a W2 (not some other form) was what made it &#8220;earned income.&#8221; It is not about whether social security payroll taxes are withheld.</p>
<p>There are many people who have earned income but are not required to pay social security taxes. Many graduate students are exempt from social security taxes when they earn money as part of a training program. I actually looked into this because I wanted to understand it, and it seems there is a law called the federal insurance contributions act that determines whether student workers pay social security or not. The gist of it is, if you are required to do work as part of your training program, you don&#8217;t have to pay social security payroll taxes. For example, I was paid to be a teaching assistant, which was required for my degree (no TA experience = no degree). So, the U. didn&#8217;t withhold social security taxes during the school year. They made that choice, probably based on federal law. It is actually fascinating, and there have been some recent legal changes w.r.t medical residency as to whether they are exempt from social security. Other groups, like public school teacher employees in CA, don&#8217;t (normally?) pay social security payroll taxes. Their income is reported on W2 forms (at least the teachers I know) and is certainly considered earned.</p>
<p>So there can be some major tax differences depending on each individual situation, even when the situations look very similar (and a graduate fellowship can be very similar to a research assistantship, as we know). I&#8217;m posting all this because I don&#8217;t want graduate students who read this to automatically assume that they aren&#8217;t earning income if social security isn&#8217;t withheld from their paycheck. That is not necessarily true. Your income can still be earned and you still might be able to have a Roth IRA.</p>
<p>I think a better rule of thumb would be that if the money is reported on a W2 as earned wages, it will likely be considered earned income, regardless of whether you are exempt from social security payroll taxes or not. Of course a tax professional could probably explain this much better than I can, but I thought I&#8217;d share my different experience with grad school stipend income.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While true, I don&#039;t think many graduate students are married to a working spouse and filing jointly.  And many of those who are are married to other students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While true, I don&#8217;t think many graduate students are married to a working spouse and filing jointly.  And many of those who are are married to other students.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 05:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the Owner of a small business where my wife is the only other employee. We use a ROTH 401K and a Traditional 401K. We make post-tax contributions up to the 401K limit and then our company can match up to 25% of our salary into the traditional 401K. The greatest advantage of this over the ROTH IRA is there is no income limit. With the IRA you must make under a certain amount. Anyone can participate in the ROTH 401K. We found a very good provider to help us set ours up. They charge 1/2 percent per year as an administrative. fee. We hold the accounts in a brokerage in &quot;Custodial&quot; accounts. The plan provider gives us all the plan docs and help us set up the accounts - but he has no access to them I can invest in anything I chose to, that the brokerage allows. Mainly I invest in ETF and some stocks. I honestly think its better to pay taxes now, at these tax rates, than later at who know what rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the Owner of a small business where my wife is the only other employee. We use a ROTH 401K and a Traditional 401K. We make post-tax contributions up to the 401K limit and then our company can match up to 25% of our salary into the traditional 401K. The greatest advantage of this over the ROTH IRA is there is no income limit. With the IRA you must make under a certain amount. Anyone can participate in the ROTH 401K. We found a very good provider to help us set ours up. They charge 1/2 percent per year as an administrative. fee. We hold the accounts in a brokerage in &#8220;Custodial&#8221; accounts. The plan provider gives us all the plan docs and help us set up the accounts &#8211; but he has no access to them I can invest in anything I chose to, that the brokerage allows. Mainly I invest in ETF and some stocks. I honestly think its better to pay taxes now, at these tax rates, than later at who know what rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see them adding a VAT and then dropping the income tax.  In which case, people with regular IRAs would also be double-taxed (once when they withdraw the money and again when they spend the money).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see them adding a VAT and then dropping the income tax.  In which case, people with regular IRAs would also be double-taxed (once when they withdraw the money and again when they spend the money).</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  All the money you put in there before is still tax free.  I can see people phasing out the Roth IRA, but I really don&#039;t think the money you&#039;ve got in there will be subject to different rules later.  And they&#039;ve already taxed your contributions--I really don&#039;t think they&#039;ll double tax you.  EXCEPT by making a national sales tax.  And with a national sales tax, you&#039;d pay that regardless of which kind of IRA/401K you were withdrawing your money from.

Also, my experience has been that when rules change for retirees, people who are already retired (or close to being able to retire according to the rules) get grandfathered.

Tax rates were pretty crazy in the 1970s.  How did they get that way?  I don&#039;t know, but I bet it could happen again, especially if health care gets socialized.  And it&#039;s even worse in lots of other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  All the money you put in there before is still tax free.  I can see people phasing out the Roth IRA, but I really don&#8217;t think the money you&#8217;ve got in there will be subject to different rules later.  And they&#8217;ve already taxed your contributions&#8211;I really don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll double tax you.  EXCEPT by making a national sales tax.  And with a national sales tax, you&#8217;d pay that regardless of which kind of IRA/401K you were withdrawing your money from.</p>
<p>Also, my experience has been that when rules change for retirees, people who are already retired (or close to being able to retire according to the rules) get grandfathered.</p>
<p>Tax rates were pretty crazy in the 1970s.  How did they get that way?  I don&#8217;t know, but I bet it could happen again, especially if health care gets socialized.  And it&#8217;s even worse in lots of other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pensions are taxable.  So a Roth lets you diversify and have some of your money pre-taxed.

I don&#039;t know about other people, but if I were getting my (predicted) pension right now, I would be in the 15% tax bracket.  I can&#039;t imagine getting enough raises in the next 3 years before I retire to even get my full pay above the 15% bracket (after deductions), let alone my future pension.

I can, however, imagine tax rates going up.  Look at the history of tax rates.  And look at our national debt.  I feel pretty sure taxes are not going down.  (I&#039;ve been wrong before about that, but not &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pensions are taxable.  So a Roth lets you diversify and have some of your money pre-taxed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about other people, but if I were getting my (predicted) pension right now, I would be in the 15% tax bracket.  I can&#8217;t imagine getting enough raises in the next 3 years before I retire to even get my full pay above the 15% bracket (after deductions), let alone my future pension.</p>
<p>I can, however, imagine tax rates going up.  Look at the history of tax rates.  And look at our national debt.  I feel pretty sure taxes are not going down.  (I&#8217;ve been wrong before about that, but not <em>very</em> wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that scares me about Roth IRAs is the risk of the government going to a value added or fair tax (either fully or in addition to the income tax).  If that happens, my earnings will get taxed twice.

Since I&#039;m only 26 years old...a lot can happen between now and when I retire.  Who know what taxes will be in 40 years or how they will be collected.  

With a traditional IRA I get my tax benefit now, which can be invested and compounded.  The gap between the tax benefit of a Roth and a traditional isn&#039;t all that large if you do it right, but it takes out all the risk of tax changes out of your control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that scares me about Roth IRAs is the risk of the government going to a value added or fair tax (either fully or in addition to the income tax).  If that happens, my earnings will get taxed twice.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m only 26 years old&#8230;a lot can happen between now and when I retire.  Who know what taxes will be in 40 years or how they will be collected.  </p>
<p>With a traditional IRA I get my tax benefit now, which can be invested and compounded.  The gap between the tax benefit of a Roth and a traditional isn&#8217;t all that large if you do it right, but it takes out all the risk of tax changes out of your control.</p>
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		<title>By: PawPrint</title>
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		<dc:creator>PawPrint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re married and file jointly with a working spouse, you can contribute to your own Roth IRA. The income requirements are the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re married and file jointly with a working spouse, you can contribute to your own Roth IRA. The income requirements are the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make sure your income is &quot;earned income.&quot;  My fellowship isn&#039;t considered earned income, which is required to be able to contribute to any sort of IRA.  An easy way of figuring out if your income is considered &quot;earned&quot; or not is if you pay Social Security taxes -- if you do, it&#039;s probably earned income.  If you don&#039;t, it&#039;s definitely not and you&#039;re not eligible to use that money for an IRA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure your income is &#8220;earned income.&#8221;  My fellowship isn&#8217;t considered earned income, which is required to be able to contribute to any sort of IRA.  An easy way of figuring out if your income is considered &#8220;earned&#8221; or not is if you pay Social Security taxes &#8212; if you do, it&#8217;s probably earned income.  If you don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s definitely not and you&#8217;re not eligible to use that money for an IRA.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric J. Nisall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric J. Nisall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to minimize the tax burden is to pick and choose when you roll over certain portions.  If someone loses their job or has a significant reduction in income that would be an ideal time to do a conversion (full or portion) since they can take advantage of being in the lower tax bracket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to minimize the tax burden is to pick and choose when you roll over certain portions.  If someone loses their job or has a significant reduction in income that would be an ideal time to do a conversion (full or portion) since they can take advantage of being in the lower tax bracket.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Williams, Grand Rapids MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decisions about investments in a Roth are the same as any other investment. What is your timeframe for spending the money.

The term &quot;emergency fund&quot; is used in a lot of different ways. Some people see it as sort of like life insurance, used only in the extreme. Others see it more like car insurance, a fund that gets used for &quot;emergencies&quot; like replacing the furnace. And others see it as more like health insurance, used regularly for small emergencies.

There is a built in conflict between the investment strategy for retirement (in 20+ years) and one that is appropriate for an emergency fund of any kind. If your ROTH &quot;emergency fund&quot; is in that last category, then you should probably invest in a money market fund.  Its really a cash reserve.  But even in the other two categories, you probably want a very conservative mix of investments.

For retirement, your money should always be in low cost index funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decisions about investments in a Roth are the same as any other investment. What is your timeframe for spending the money.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;emergency fund&#8221; is used in a lot of different ways. Some people see it as sort of like life insurance, used only in the extreme. Others see it more like car insurance, a fund that gets used for &#8220;emergencies&#8221; like replacing the furnace. And others see it as more like health insurance, used regularly for small emergencies.</p>
<p>There is a built in conflict between the investment strategy for retirement (in 20+ years) and one that is appropriate for an emergency fund of any kind. If your ROTH &#8220;emergency fund&#8221; is in that last category, then you should probably invest in a money market fund.  Its really a cash reserve.  But even in the other two categories, you probably want a very conservative mix of investments.</p>
<p>For retirement, your money should always be in low cost index funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is what is the best type of investment for ROTH IRA?

ETFs (if yes what kind?)
Dividend Stocks
Individual Stocks
etc.

If I can narrow down which type of investment is best then I&#039;d be able to do more research</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is what is the best type of investment for ROTH IRA?</p>
<p>ETFs (if yes what kind?)<br />
Dividend Stocks<br />
Individual Stocks<br />
etc.</p>
<p>If I can narrow down which type of investment is best then I&#8217;d be able to do more research</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At $5K per year, you&#039;re not going to get very far on a down payment in the &quot;short term&quot; - we&#039;re saving about five times that much a year in a taxable account for 20% down in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At $5K per year, you&#8217;re not going to get very far on a down payment in the &#8220;short term&#8221; &#8211; we&#8217;re saving about five times that much a year in a taxable account for 20% down in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, it&#039;s either/or/split on the IRAs and the 401K has it&#039;s own limit. That&#039;s where I was mistaken. Thanks for clarifying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, it&#8217;s either/or/split on the IRAs and the 401K has it&#8217;s own limit. That&#8217;s where I was mistaken. Thanks for clarifying!</p>
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