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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/10/30/reader-story-how-debt-put-my-dreams-on-hold/comment-page-1/#comment-2963272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your feedback, Lucy Ann. :)  Keep telling the teens that if they borrow money now, they&#039;ll regret it later.  A year after writing this post, we&#039;re less in debt, but life still happens and makes things harder.  You can&#039;t rely on what you *think* the future will look like!

Send them my way if they give you any lip. ;)

-j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your feedback, Lucy Ann. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Keep telling the teens that if they borrow money now, they&#8217;ll regret it later.  A year after writing this post, we&#8217;re less in debt, but life still happens and makes things harder.  You can&#8217;t rely on what you *think* the future will look like!</p>
<p>Send them my way if they give you any lip. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-j</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Ann Moll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Ann Moll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Your story encourages me because, in part, it validates what I&#039;m telling my teens. If you can get a college scholarship, great. If you can&#039;t, attend the nearby community college and then go to an inexpensive state school. Curiously, a few of the state schools in Wisconsin are less expensive than the state schools in Illinois, where we live.

I also encourage them to consider a two-year &quot;career&quot; degree at the community college. Sometimes this makes the most sense; it depends on the teen.

Thanks for putting your story &quot;out there.&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Your story encourages me because, in part, it validates what I&#8217;m telling my teens. If you can get a college scholarship, great. If you can&#8217;t, attend the nearby community college and then go to an inexpensive state school. Curiously, a few of the state schools in Wisconsin are less expensive than the state schools in Illinois, where we live.</p>
<p>I also encourage them to consider a two-year &#8220;career&#8221; degree at the community college. Sometimes this makes the most sense; it depends on the teen.</p>
<p>Thanks for putting your story &#8220;out there.&#8221; <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before starting school I spent two years working 2-3 jobs and living with 3 others in a cheap house.  Made enough to pay nearly 3 yrs of tuition.  When money ran low I moved back in with parents for a year and worked two jobs. They were low paying menial jobs warehouse inventory, 711, restaurant work, type of work many americans feel is below them but you&#039;d be amazed at what you can save if you work 24/7 and don&#039;t spend much.  Made enough to finish up with no debt whatsoever.  I graduated about 3 yrs after my friends but when I was through felt like I was 20 yrs ahead of them.  Everyone else I knew was carrying a debt load and would tell me they wish they&#039;d done what I had done.  It&#039;s absurd to see so many young people shackle themselves to long term debt when a few years of hard work could supply what they need to get an education with no debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before starting school I spent two years working 2-3 jobs and living with 3 others in a cheap house.  Made enough to pay nearly 3 yrs of tuition.  When money ran low I moved back in with parents for a year and worked two jobs. They were low paying menial jobs warehouse inventory, 711, restaurant work, type of work many americans feel is below them but you&#8217;d be amazed at what you can save if you work 24/7 and don&#8217;t spend much.  Made enough to finish up with no debt whatsoever.  I graduated about 3 yrs after my friends but when I was through felt like I was 20 yrs ahead of them.  Everyone else I knew was carrying a debt load and would tell me they wish they&#8217;d done what I had done.  It&#8217;s absurd to see so many young people shackle themselves to long term debt when a few years of hard work could supply what they need to get an education with no debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Slinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another option you could consider is to have a small, frugal wedding in your current location. Then maybe for your 5 year anniversary, after you pay off your debt and save a little, you could go to the other location and renew your vows and throw a fancier bash if you wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another option you could consider is to have a small, frugal wedding in your current location. Then maybe for your 5 year anniversary, after you pay off your debt and save a little, you could go to the other location and renew your vows and throw a fancier bash if you wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: SEinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best wedding I have ever attended cost &lt;$100 total.  Food was pot luck and the ceremony was outside so no need for flowers and decoration. I have never had more fun at a ceremony (even ones where the spend was well over $500 per person)or felt more love both from the couple and all attending. 

You don&#039;t need to spend money like Kim K. to have a wedding.  The only imporant thing is to have your family and friends around you.  From what you&#039;ve described it shouldn&#039;t cost you more than a plane (or bus) ticket home.

That said, if your dream is to have two over-the-top grand ceremonies and parties then go for it.  Just distinguish that from the wedding itself.  You don&#039;t need to wait to get married; you have to wait to have two grand, huge weddings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best wedding I have ever attended cost &lt;$100 total.  Food was pot luck and the ceremony was outside so no need for flowers and decoration. I have never had more fun at a ceremony (even ones where the spend was well over $500 per person)or felt more love both from the couple and all attending. </p>
<p>You don&#039;t need to spend money like Kim K. to have a wedding.  The only imporant thing is to have your family and friends around you.  From what you&#039;ve described it shouldn&#039;t cost you more than a plane (or bus) ticket home.</p>
<p>That said, if your dream is to have two over-the-top grand ceremonies and parties then go for it.  Just distinguish that from the wedding itself.  You don&#039;t need to wait to get married; you have to wait to have two grand, huge weddings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, I just want to encourage you.  Weddings don&#039;t *necessarily* mean more debt.  Ideally you could get married in a developing country; then you could do it ALL for under $1000 (including the honeymoon). ;)  But I realize that&#039;s not your cup of tea this time. However, there are a lot of ways you can have a beautiful wedding without going into more debt over it.  

My wife and I (before she was my wife) made our own invitations, and they looked really nice.  We bought dried flowers and put one on each. A friend of mine designed the print work, and I lucked out on the parchment paper.  We had family and friends help us with the food, and they only charged us the money to buy it.  We used our church for the wedding, so we didn&#039;t have to rent a hall.  

The point is if you really want to, you can get creative and not spend a TON and still have a beautiful wedding. Just figure out what you might need and save a bit here and there until you have it!

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, I just want to encourage you.  Weddings don&#8217;t *necessarily* mean more debt.  Ideally you could get married in a developing country; then you could do it ALL for under $1000 (including the honeymoon). <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   But I realize that&#8217;s not your cup of tea this time. However, there are a lot of ways you can have a beautiful wedding without going into more debt over it.  </p>
<p>My wife and I (before she was my wife) made our own invitations, and they looked really nice.  We bought dried flowers and put one on each. A friend of mine designed the print work, and I lucked out on the parchment paper.  We had family and friends help us with the food, and they only charged us the money to buy it.  We used our church for the wedding, so we didn&#8217;t have to rent a hall.  </p>
<p>The point is if you really want to, you can get creative and not spend a TON and still have a beautiful wedding. Just figure out what you might need and save a bit here and there until you have it!</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner and I each have about $6000 in credit card debt, as well as the $9000 on my car and $2000 student loan. At this rate it will be 3 years before we are out of debt. On the one hand, we originally agreed that we would not get married until we were out of debt. But that agreement was made when I was still employed, and could have been out of debt in 13 months (from then). Now, though, without the ability for me to work anytime in the foreseeable future, we are seriously considering getting married sooner. It all comes back to money though--with half our income going to debt, there isn&#039;t money for one wedding, let alone two, and my friends and family live 2400 miles away so we ARE doing two weddings. It looks like we&#039;re on the 4-year plan for marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I each have about $6000 in credit card debt, as well as the $9000 on my car and $2000 student loan. At this rate it will be 3 years before we are out of debt. On the one hand, we originally agreed that we would not get married until we were out of debt. But that agreement was made when I was still employed, and could have been out of debt in 13 months (from then). Now, though, without the ability for me to work anytime in the foreseeable future, we are seriously considering getting married sooner. It all comes back to money though&#8211;with half our income going to debt, there isn&#8217;t money for one wedding, let alone two, and my friends and family live 2400 miles away so we ARE doing two weddings. It looks like we&#8217;re on the 4-year plan for marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: honeybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>honeybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) It&#039;s okay. I also need to remember that sarcasm is hard/impossible to hear on the internet, but I was surprised to see all that reflected in it. Glad we cleared that up!

I&#039;m from Canada originally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s okay. I also need to remember that sarcasm is hard/impossible to hear on the internet, but I was surprised to see all that reflected in it. Glad we cleared that up!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Canada originally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well all I could do as I read this comment was smile and wipe the egg off my face. :)  I think my whole comment stemmed from not catching your sarcasm.  By referring to the &quot;grace of the INS&quot;, I read that &quot;you should be thankful that the US even lets you in because the US is the greatest place on earth.&quot; Admittedly a stretch, but I&#039;ve heard lines like that so maybe my filter was tainted.

So please accept my apologies for putting words in your mouth that were not there!

We&#039;re thankful, and though it&#039;s been almost a year since she got here (incidentally I wrote this piece in February...we&#039;ve come a long way since then) and we&#039;re still working on things like work and English.  Part of the struggle is probably that my wife knew no one here and felt like she had abandoned her family who sometimes doesn&#039;t have enough money for food in a month to come to a place where people throw away massive amounts because portion sizes are huge.  So while I&#039;m really OK being here (but I&#039;m also a bit impatient, I suppose), she&#039;s really anxious to go back.  But at the same time she&#039;s thankful that she can babysit for 12 hours a week and make in a month what she made teaching 9 hours a day (and send a lot of it back home).

Where are you from, honeybee?

-j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well all I could do as I read this comment was smile and wipe the egg off my face. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I think my whole comment stemmed from not catching your sarcasm.  By referring to the &#8220;grace of the INS&#8221;, I read that &#8220;you should be thankful that the US even lets you in because the US is the greatest place on earth.&#8221; Admittedly a stretch, but I&#8217;ve heard lines like that so maybe my filter was tainted.</p>
<p>So please accept my apologies for putting words in your mouth that were not there!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re thankful, and though it&#8217;s been almost a year since she got here (incidentally I wrote this piece in February&#8230;we&#8217;ve come a long way since then) and we&#8217;re still working on things like work and English.  Part of the struggle is probably that my wife knew no one here and felt like she had abandoned her family who sometimes doesn&#8217;t have enough money for food in a month to come to a place where people throw away massive amounts because portion sizes are huge.  So while I&#8217;m really OK being here (but I&#8217;m also a bit impatient, I suppose), she&#8217;s really anxious to go back.  But at the same time she&#8217;s thankful that she can babysit for 12 hours a week and make in a month what she made teaching 9 hours a day (and send a lot of it back home).</p>
<p>Where are you from, honeybee?</p>
<p>-j</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are assuming that he and wife are here and at least he is working at a decent job in the US now to pay off the debt. He will not find an equal paying job in the other country. That would be the only reason because working as a missionary is hard enough to fund without debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are assuming that he and wife are here and at least he is working at a decent job in the US now to pay off the debt. He will not find an equal paying job in the other country. That would be the only reason because working as a missionary is hard enough to fund without debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harmony I have done the same for the same reason. My payments are about $100 month and the interest is deductible, so there is no problem.  Except now that I have refinanced, I am in the weird position of my SL having slightly more expensive interest than more mortgage! Who would of thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harmony I have done the same for the same reason. My payments are about $100 month and the interest is deductible, so there is no problem.  Except now that I have refinanced, I am in the weird position of my SL having slightly more expensive interest than more mortgage! Who would of thought?</p>
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		<title>By: honeybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>honeybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that I have a closed-minded and American attitude, because I&#039;m not American and I&#039;ve wrangled with the INS for almost a decade. :D It was sarcasm -- the INS cares little about people or families. By design, their mission is to keep people out. I dislike a lot about the US and the plan is to move back home as soon as possible, but my work is here and, now, so too is my husband, and for other reasons we need to stay here for a little while. Your assumptions about me are way off target.

I don&#039;t really understand how you read &quot;as if to say the US is the only place anyone would want to live&quot; in my comment. There is not any hint whatsoever of a value judgment as to whether the US is good, bad, or ugly. I don&#039;t give a fig what anyone thinks of the US. The comment reflected on the nature of the INS.

Where did I say that living in the US was your dream or your wife&#039;s dream? I called her &quot;the woman of your dreams&quot;... not sure how you read that into my comment. We all realize that your wife coming to the US is hardly your ideal, but from my experience it&#039;s a small miracle that you were able to achieve this tiny feat that gives you comfort in the meantime, if indeed it is true that your wife &quot;couldn&#039;t live without you&quot;. (I see above in comments you were being facetious with this line, but it made me wince nonetheless.) As someone going through the green card application now, I do not take the immigration process lightly in the least. 

Can&#039;t you at least be grateful for that small mercy, even if it&#039;s inadequate in the long term? For a lot of people to whom the INS said &quot;no&quot;, it would be heartbreaking to listen to someone trivialize that win. Being thankful is really important, and being thankful for the things that help you move toward your ultimate dream is an important part of achieving them. I think you have a lot to be thankful for, and if you&#039;ll only be thankful when you reach your dream, you&#039;ll spend life not living.

However less-than-optimal my own situation is here in the US, and however much I loathe the INS process, and however much I find the environment in the US to be... umm, a little lame to be truthful... I would never trivialize how lucky I am to be able to be with my family. There are thousands of people who would love to be in my position and I don&#039;t take that lightly, even if my position ain&#039;t the greatest according to me. It&#039;s the journey, not the destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that I have a closed-minded and American attitude, because I&#8217;m not American and I&#8217;ve wrangled with the INS for almost a decade. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  It was sarcasm &#8212; the INS cares little about people or families. By design, their mission is to keep people out. I dislike a lot about the US and the plan is to move back home as soon as possible, but my work is here and, now, so too is my husband, and for other reasons we need to stay here for a little while. Your assumptions about me are way off target.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really understand how you read &#8220;as if to say the US is the only place anyone would want to live&#8221; in my comment. There is not any hint whatsoever of a value judgment as to whether the US is good, bad, or ugly. I don&#8217;t give a fig what anyone thinks of the US. The comment reflected on the nature of the INS.</p>
<p>Where did I say that living in the US was your dream or your wife&#8217;s dream? I called her &#8220;the woman of your dreams&#8221;&#8230; not sure how you read that into my comment. We all realize that your wife coming to the US is hardly your ideal, but from my experience it&#8217;s a small miracle that you were able to achieve this tiny feat that gives you comfort in the meantime, if indeed it is true that your wife &#8220;couldn&#8217;t live without you&#8221;. (I see above in comments you were being facetious with this line, but it made me wince nonetheless.) As someone going through the green card application now, I do not take the immigration process lightly in the least. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you at least be grateful for that small mercy, even if it&#8217;s inadequate in the long term? For a lot of people to whom the INS said &#8220;no&#8221;, it would be heartbreaking to listen to someone trivialize that win. Being thankful is really important, and being thankful for the things that help you move toward your ultimate dream is an important part of achieving them. I think you have a lot to be thankful for, and if you&#8217;ll only be thankful when you reach your dream, you&#8217;ll spend life not living.</p>
<p>However less-than-optimal my own situation is here in the US, and however much I loathe the INS process, and however much I find the environment in the US to be&#8230; umm, a little lame to be truthful&#8230; I would never trivialize how lucky I am to be able to be with my family. There are thousands of people who would love to be in my position and I don&#8217;t take that lightly, even if my position ain&#8217;t the greatest according to me. It&#8217;s the journey, not the destination.</p>
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		<title>By: barnetto</title>
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		<dc:creator>barnetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 02:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreeing with the sentiment, adding my own 2 cents to support the sentiment that it is good to educate people.

Of industrialized nations the US has some of the lowest social mobility.  If you&#039;re born poor you&#039;re more like to stay poor than if you were born in Australia, Denmark, Canada, and even France.  See: http://www.oecd.org/vgn/images/portal/cit_731/7/50/44765433G4G%20ch%205.gif

And for the complete study:
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/7/45002641.pdf

To improve one&#039;s odds of finding the American dream, its better to live in just about any developed nation other than the USA.

Interestingly, low social mobility correlates to high income inequality.  And high income inequality correlates (actually, might be causal, but I haven&#039;t looked at the subject in depth enough to make that statement, so I&#039;ll stick to correlate for now since I know that much is true) to a host of other poor metrics such as lower life expectancy, higher incarceration rates, lower math and literacy, higher obesity, etc.

See this TED talk:
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

I picked up the guy&#039;s book after seeing that video and am reading it now.  The kindle edition is super cheap at $4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreeing with the sentiment, adding my own 2 cents to support the sentiment that it is good to educate people.</p>
<p>Of industrialized nations the US has some of the lowest social mobility.  If you&#8217;re born poor you&#8217;re more like to stay poor than if you were born in Australia, Denmark, Canada, and even France.  See: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/vgn/images/portal/cit_731/7/50/44765433G4G%20ch%205.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.oecd.org/vgn/images/portal/cit_731/7/50/44765433G4G%20ch%205.gif</a></p>
<p>And for the complete study:<br />
<a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/7/45002641.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/7/45002641.pdf</a></p>
<p>To improve one&#8217;s odds of finding the American dream, its better to live in just about any developed nation other than the USA.</p>
<p>Interestingly, low social mobility correlates to high income inequality.  And high income inequality correlates (actually, might be causal, but I haven&#8217;t looked at the subject in depth enough to make that statement, so I&#8217;ll stick to correlate for now since I know that much is true) to a host of other poor metrics such as lower life expectancy, higher incarceration rates, lower math and literacy, higher obesity, etc.</p>
<p>See this TED talk:<br />
<a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html</a></p>
<p>I picked up the guy&#8217;s book after seeing that video and am reading it now.  The kindle edition is super cheap at $4.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds a lot like my situation...almost to a T. I can&#039;t wait to pay off my student loans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds a lot like my situation&#8230;almost to a T. I can&#8217;t wait to pay off my student loans!</p>
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		<title>By: SEinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be happy to pay more in taxes if everyone could get an education.  

It is sad that in the U.S. education is so expensive.  Even though I&#039;d never benefit directly (I went to a private university and I will not have children) I think we&#039;d all benefit from an educated population; likely in ways it would be impossible to imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be happy to pay more in taxes if everyone could get an education.  </p>
<p>It is sad that in the U.S. education is so expensive.  Even though I&#8217;d never benefit directly (I went to a private university and I will not have children) I think we&#8217;d all benefit from an educated population; likely in ways it would be impossible to imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many many foster kids in the US speak Spanish.  

Additionally, language immersion is something that upper middle class people pay quite a bit of money to get for their kids because it is supposed to make children more intelligent.  Kids pick up language much more quickly than adults do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many many foster kids in the US speak Spanish.  </p>
<p>Additionally, language immersion is something that upper middle class people pay quite a bit of money to get for their kids because it is supposed to make children more intelligent.  Kids pick up language much more quickly than adults do.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with all the commenters who are urging you to get into the action here in the U.S. Don&#039;t think of it as volunteering though, think of it as career development. 
You will learn whether this is Truly the dream you want to devote yourselves to for the rest of your lives. 
I would add too that you learn how to write grant applications now. Getting financial backing will likely occupy way more of your time than you are imagining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with all the commenters who are urging you to get into the action here in the U.S. Don&#8217;t think of it as volunteering though, think of it as career development.<br />
You will learn whether this is Truly the dream you want to devote yourselves to for the rest of your lives.<br />
I would add too that you learn how to write grant applications now. Getting financial backing will likely occupy way more of your time than you are imagining.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student loans are notoriously difficult to &quot;walk away from&quot; in the U.S. These are the only loans that one cannot be freed from even by declaring bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student loans are notoriously difficult to &#8220;walk away from&#8221; in the U.S. These are the only loans that one cannot be freed from even by declaring bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good timing on this topic ! http://lewrockwell.com/bonner/bonner515.html 

&quot;The education industry takes more and more of the national resources while producing less and less real output. And if you want a job, you are better off as a well-credentialed zombie than as an energetic (often disruptive) producer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good timing on this topic ! <a href="http://lewrockwell.com/bonner/bonner515.html" rel="nofollow">http://lewrockwell.com/bonner/bonner515.html</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;The education industry takes more and more of the national resources while producing less and less real output. And if you want a job, you are better off as a well-credentialed zombie than as an energetic (often disruptive) producer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, our home at the moment is the US because of the debt.  But as I mentioned before, I find it irresponsible to walk away from a loan just because it won&#039;t really affect me in Paraguay.

Regarding being foster parents now, I admit we hadn&#039;t thought of doing it right now. We definitely want to adopt at least one kid, but we know that&#039;s an expensive process.  Fostering might not be, but with my wife still learning English it wouldn&#039;t be easy if the child didn&#039;t know Spanish.

Definitely something to think about and worth talking about!

-j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, our home at the moment is the US because of the debt.  But as I mentioned before, I find it irresponsible to walk away from a loan just because it won&#8217;t really affect me in Paraguay.</p>
<p>Regarding being foster parents now, I admit we hadn&#8217;t thought of doing it right now. We definitely want to adopt at least one kid, but we know that&#8217;s an expensive process.  Fostering might not be, but with my wife still learning English it wouldn&#8217;t be easy if the child didn&#8217;t know Spanish.</p>
<p>Definitely something to think about and worth talking about!</p>
<p>-j</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this comment - but you&#039;re missing that for the author and his wife &#039;home&#039; is now Paraguy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this comment &#8211; but you&#8217;re missing that for the author and his wife &#8216;home&#8217; is now Paraguy</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Barnetto alludes to, there IS a looming college loan bubble/meltdown analogous to the subprime home mortgage fiasco that we are experiencing.  Check the NIA website and videos to see more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Barnetto alludes to, there IS a looming college loan bubble/meltdown analogous to the subprime home mortgage fiasco that we are experiencing.  Check the NIA website and videos to see more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You clearly don&#039;t know any of the tech-school trained LEADERS That I do - who lead departments, and entire businesses or own their own - and can fix their own cars too.  Hangin&#039; out with all Ivy covered colege grads? Ever heard the comment that the military is run by Officers (college grads) - BUT led by NCO&#039;s - (Non commissioned Officers -typically not college grads.  Well this college grad engineer knows where he&#039;s found the best LEADERS. (and I don&#039;t mean MANAGERS) !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You clearly don&#8217;t know any of the tech-school trained LEADERS That I do &#8211; who lead departments, and entire businesses or own their own &#8211; and can fix their own cars too.  Hangin&#8217; out with all Ivy covered colege grads? Ever heard the comment that the military is run by Officers (college grads) &#8211; BUT led by NCO&#8217;s &#8211; (Non commissioned Officers -typically not college grads.  Well this college grad engineer knows where he&#8217;s found the best LEADERS. (and I don&#8217;t mean MANAGERS) !!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Jason Cabler (@DrCabler)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Jason Cabler (@DrCabler)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right!  Debt will limit your options and will keep you from being able to live the life you want to live.

I teach the people that take my Celebrating Financial Freedom course that debt can also affect your spirituality.  Being deep in debt can hinder your giving by making you feel like you &quot;can&#039;t afford&quot; to tithe, give offerings, or even open a foster home in a place where it&#039;s desperately needed.  

It can also hurt you spiritually because you may feel you need to work to pay your bills instead of attending church.  

Most people never realize the gravity of what getting into debt means for their future.  I am so glad to hear where your heart is for these children and that you are making the effort to eliminate your debt so you can help.  

You can do it, don&#039;t lose heart!

Thanks for the great writing Jason and remember...

&quot;When you help me with money, you help the world prosper.&quot;- J.M. DuMont</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right!  Debt will limit your options and will keep you from being able to live the life you want to live.</p>
<p>I teach the people that take my Celebrating Financial Freedom course that debt can also affect your spirituality.  Being deep in debt can hinder your giving by making you feel like you &#8220;can&#8217;t afford&#8221; to tithe, give offerings, or even open a foster home in a place where it&#8217;s desperately needed.  </p>
<p>It can also hurt you spiritually because you may feel you need to work to pay your bills instead of attending church.  </p>
<p>Most people never realize the gravity of what getting into debt means for their future.  I am so glad to hear where your heart is for these children and that you are making the effort to eliminate your debt so you can help.  </p>
<p>You can do it, don&#8217;t lose heart!</p>
<p>Thanks for the great writing Jason and remember&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;When you help me with money, you help the world prosper.&#8221;- J.M. DuMont</p>
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		<title>By: notpollyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>notpollyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This. So much of the advice about money and college is only useful before you start college. That makes sense to some degree, but I wish there were some way to motivate those kids to read these things and take them seriously before they go to college. I suppose it is the experience of despair regarding debt that motivates many people to look for this advice afterward. I wish there was more, better after-college advice, but I suppose the lack is due to the fact that there really are few options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This. So much of the advice about money and college is only useful before you start college. That makes sense to some degree, but I wish there were some way to motivate those kids to read these things and take them seriously before they go to college. I suppose it is the experience of despair regarding debt that motivates many people to look for this advice afterward. I wish there was more, better after-college advice, but I suppose the lack is due to the fact that there really are few options.</p>
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		<title>By: rit_student</title>
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		<dc:creator>rit_student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, okay.  I didn&#039;t intend to dismiss anything you&#039;ve done -- I was just surprised. In SE, at least, it&#039;s unheard of to make $8/hour anywhere, unless you&#039;re in a startup incubator during co-op or starting your own business elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, okay.  I didn&#8217;t intend to dismiss anything you&#8217;ve done &#8212; I was just surprised. In SE, at least, it&#8217;s unheard of to make $8/hour anywhere, unless you&#8217;re in a startup incubator during co-op or starting your own business elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: notpollyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>notpollyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. This. When I was 17 my parents went to meetings for parents about paying for college at my high school. For reasons I don&#039;t understand (and I have asked my parents and just gotten shrugs), my parents decided it would be easier to take out all private student loans because they would all be together in one place. (I&#039;m not stupid or unorganized, so it isn&#039;t as though I couldn&#039;t have handled several different accounts.) For any 17 year old, I think that being guided by you parents in huge financial matters has a lot of sway. These are huge amounts of money, huger than anything you&#039;ve ever experiences, and you are relying on your parents to help you navigate it in this first stage, so that you can take over after college when this all makes more sense and you are a &quot;real&quot; adult. 

For me in particular, I was struggling with major mental illness that fogged any ability I might have had to recognize my parents&#039; folly. And I assumed I would have killed myself before graduating from college anyway (not that I thought of this in terms of strategically not paying back my debts, but more that the repayment part of my life wasn&#039;t going to exist, so why bother thinking about it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. This. When I was 17 my parents went to meetings for parents about paying for college at my high school. For reasons I don&#8217;t understand (and I have asked my parents and just gotten shrugs), my parents decided it would be easier to take out all private student loans because they would all be together in one place. (I&#8217;m not stupid or unorganized, so it isn&#8217;t as though I couldn&#8217;t have handled several different accounts.) For any 17 year old, I think that being guided by you parents in huge financial matters has a lot of sway. These are huge amounts of money, huger than anything you&#8217;ve ever experiences, and you are relying on your parents to help you navigate it in this first stage, so that you can take over after college when this all makes more sense and you are a &#8220;real&#8221; adult. </p>
<p>For me in particular, I was struggling with major mental illness that fogged any ability I might have had to recognize my parents&#8217; folly. And I assumed I would have killed myself before graduating from college anyway (not that I thought of this in terms of strategically not paying back my debts, but more that the repayment part of my life wasn&#8217;t going to exist, so why bother thinking about it).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You remind me of a point I should have made.  I was in one of the GCCIS programs (actually they built the Golisano college while I was there, and my senior class was the first one through it), but RIT didn&#039;t provide the internship.  Not to say they didn&#039;t have programs to find them; I just didn&#039;t check because a friend had hooked me up with the one I got at first.  

I had little drive when I was in college, maybe partly due to lack of confidence, so I took the first opportunities that came around.  Things have changed in that respect, but I wish I had the drive then that I have now. I&#039;d have found one of those higher-paying (and cooler) internships like my friends got. :)

-j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You remind me of a point I should have made.  I was in one of the GCCIS programs (actually they built the Golisano college while I was there, and my senior class was the first one through it), but RIT didn&#8217;t provide the internship.  Not to say they didn&#8217;t have programs to find them; I just didn&#8217;t check because a friend had hooked me up with the one I got at first.  </p>
<p>I had little drive when I was in college, maybe partly due to lack of confidence, so I took the first opportunities that came around.  Things have changed in that respect, but I wish I had the drive then that I have now. I&#8217;d have found one of those higher-paying (and cooler) internships like my friends got. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-j</p>
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		<title>By: barnetto</title>
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		<dc:creator>barnetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or we could go further back.

It was deregulation that allowed people who wouldn&#039;t previously of qualified for loans to get those loans.  It was the false information those people were fed, that their house would keep gaining value and they could refinance at a lower rate in the future.  It was the lack of regulation and oversight that allowed those banks to leverage that bad debt to sell to others to get the capital to create more bad debt.

No one held a gun to anyone&#039;s head.  No stick was needed for the guy wanting a home to call his own or the banker seeking more profits.  Just big fat juicy carrots all around.

Including juicy carrots for the politicians who got rid of the regulations.  Lose an election?  If you took care of the corporations you can get a nice cushy consultant job.  Want to win the election?  Court the corporations and get campaign donations, or as its called in law, &quot;speech.&quot;

The people with money and influence got us into this mess and they&#039;re still reaping the benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or we could go further back.</p>
<p>It was deregulation that allowed people who wouldn&#8217;t previously of qualified for loans to get those loans.  It was the false information those people were fed, that their house would keep gaining value and they could refinance at a lower rate in the future.  It was the lack of regulation and oversight that allowed those banks to leverage that bad debt to sell to others to get the capital to create more bad debt.</p>
<p>No one held a gun to anyone&#8217;s head.  No stick was needed for the guy wanting a home to call his own or the banker seeking more profits.  Just big fat juicy carrots all around.</p>
<p>Including juicy carrots for the politicians who got rid of the regulations.  Lose an election?  If you took care of the corporations you can get a nice cushy consultant job.  Want to win the election?  Court the corporations and get campaign donations, or as its called in law, &#8220;speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>The people with money and influence got us into this mess and they&#8217;re still reaping the benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here for me is that if you have a lot of debt dragging on you it&#039;s really hard to respond either quickly or effectively to the changes or new desires in your life.  By first accumulating debt when he really didn&#039;t need to, and then not getting rid of his debt when he had opportunity, the author is having to take longer in making his latest &quot;dream&quot; come true.  For those willing to hear, it&#039;s a good message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here for me is that if you have a lot of debt dragging on you it&#8217;s really hard to respond either quickly or effectively to the changes or new desires in your life.  By first accumulating debt when he really didn&#8217;t need to, and then not getting rid of his debt when he had opportunity, the author is having to take longer in making his latest &#8220;dream&#8221; come true.  For those willing to hear, it&#8217;s a good message.</p>
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