Think Different: Teaching Kids to Be Entrepreneurs
Published on - November 8th, 2011 (by Tim Sullivan) This article is from new staff writer Tim Sullivan.
I remember when my parents gave me a raise in my allowance. I was seven and I went from $2 a week to $5 a week because I started doing my own laundry and washing my own dishes. I was so excited to be a model employee. I remember that day plotting out just how many extra GI Joes I could buy in a year and how impressive and extensive my collection would be. Then I remember going to the pharmacy down on the main avenue and buying $4 worth of candy instead of $2. My whole GI Joe plan started to disintegrate in a heap of peanut butter cup wrappers.
You know what I remember more vividly? I remember the day my parents stopped giving me an allowance. It was the same year I moved my lemonade stand from Wednesday afternoon to Saturday morning and from the corner of my side-street to right down on that same candy-filled main avenue and saw my revenues rise tenfold.

Lemonade stands are so tired! This young entrepreneur is selling jokes.
From there, I started going around the house finding things that needed to be done, whether it be the deck re-stained or the water damage on the basement ceiling redone and I’d negotiate with my parents fair pay for the task. It usually didn’t matter that I had no idea how to replace a bathtub or efficiently organize a closet, there were books in libraries, helpers at local hardware stores, and now, google to offer a quick afternoon of learning. I now had an eye for opportunity and was learning skills that set jobs into motion.
Suddenly, I was investing my own time and energy into seeking out and performing tasks and from that, money took on a whole different meaning. It was now me, from start to finish, that made the money come in. Money somehow became heavier and it stopped being worth it to simply see it disappear toward frivolities.
In school, I had a very job-centered education. In high school, we were asked to buy into a path that would lead us to a good university, which in turn would get us a good job as a lawyer, or a doctor, or an accountant, or the ever vague business man. But for many people my age, that’s an outdated paradigm. What I found out, like so many other graduates, is that today, the jobs just aren’t there. So after the resumes were sent out and nothing came back — not even a no thank you, just nothing — I looked for opportunity and went about learning skills to set a job into motion, just as I did as a child. I became, in a sense, an entrepreneur.
The lessons I learned as a kid have helped me to make a living today, even in a tough job market.
Allowances for adults?
There are many ways to handle allowances for kids. Maybe there are chores that the child has to do around the house each week in order get his allowance, or maybe they do nothing and the money is simply meant to teach the child how to budget with a weekly income. You can use allowance to encourage money savvy — but given with no lessons, no lessons will be learned.
My friends who have graduated from college and managed to find a job all seem to be living paycheck-to-paycheck. They tell me stories that are not unlike my own $4-on-candy experience as a kid. It’s no longer candy, but shoes, or an extra glass of wine with dinner, or whatever the impulse is at the time that prevents the money from going to the bank. Not to say that any of those things are bad, but if some of the paycheck isn’t going toward savings, the childhood allowance didn’t teach them value that steady income.

Allowances serve a purpose, but there are other ways to teach kids about money
Encouraging entrepreneurship
There are other ways to teach kids about money. Instead of paying an allowance, you can encourage them to build their own businesses. You can help them set up lemonade stands (or something similar). You can encourage them to shovel snow for the neighbors. Or to sell their old video games on Craigslist. But it doesn’t need to stop there.
I remember posting signs around town and going door to door trying to get people to pay me to mow their lawn. I killed myself pushing my lawn mower down the street half a mile or more to get a client that just wanted a quick mow and realizing it wasn’t worth it. I saw that it was a lot easier to get the people on my block to have me come back more often. After that, after every local mow, I’d say “See you in two weeks!” and sure enough I’d be at their doorstep two weeks later. Yes, one in ten people turned me down, but I was nine-years-old and who could say no? At a young age, I was already learning the recurring revenue model.

To me, it seems like we need to encourage creativity in our children, to get them to think different. Maybe it comes down to not reading your kids a bedtime story every night, but making them tell one a night or two a week. Ask them to tell a story about their favorite stuffed animals or even their GI Joes. Help them to come up with ideas for chores instead of just telling them what needs to be done. Teach kids to be self-starters and not simply do-as-told.
And teach them to save. Put half their money into their toy envelope and half into their savings envelope. Even if it’s a small amount, they won’t feel much of a loss when they’re six. Walk them down to the bank every few months and help them deposit their money into a free savings account. I have 30 year-old friends who just now are deciding to contribute to some sort of retirement account. It breaks my heart that they could’ve been 25 years ahead of the game.
Thinking different
I’m still coming to terms with the fact that my career path is atypical. My income is directly related to how creative I am about finding clients and making them happy.
Each month, my income fluctuates drastically. (I’m having to learn how to budget for an irregular income.) I don’t have anyone working under me yet, but that may happen in the not-too-distant future.
So much of what I was taught at school taught me how to be a good employee. But I’m not an employee. I work for myself. Because of that, I’ve had to rely on the business experiments I made as a child. I’m grateful for the entrepreneurial opportunities I had and made for myself, as well as the support I had in following them. It’s made me realize that I should encourage children today to explore their entrepreneurial tendencies — and encourage others to support kids in the same way.
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For the mentioned adults who live paycheck-to-paycheck:
I don’t think it makes sense to start big on budgeting. It demotivates.
Instead, first thing you do is, you take 5% of your income to a savings account which you use as your emergency fund.
Next month, make it 1% more. And so on.
The difference from month to month is small and you will not really feel it, but you will learn – slowly, thats the secret – to live from less and being not less happy. (like the frog in the hot water, same principle)
After only two and a half year, you are at 1/3 savings (of course, it depends on your situation if you can go this way, but if you have an average income and no especially expensive living area, thats possible – if you ignore the Joneses
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At this moment, after 30 month, you have enough money in your emergency fund and can allocate all that money to something else. Even in part to the things you cut down to reach this 1/3. But this time you will spend the money not on impulse, but after thinking about if you really want something.
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It would be nice to know what Tim’s parents did to encourage him to become such an entrepreneur! I’ve had a variety of kids — one birth kid, several step kids, and several adopted kids. Teaching them about money is very, very different depending on what other parents are in their lives, let me tell you!
With my adopted sons, I’ve had a lot of success with fake money (Mommy Dollars). They’ve come to me with real issues of impulse control, and having my own currency allows the saving/spending time cycle to speed up a bit. So they’ll save up to buy TV time, or to invest in “BoMama” (Bank of Mama”).
But I love the ideas of encouraging kids to come up with their own chore lists — to be more self-starters. I’m going to use a lot of these ideas, that’s for sure!
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In high school I was a member of a class called “Virtual Enterprise”. We actually created our own business, created products, voted on officers, and built a website and platform to sell our products. We ever went to NYC for a real trade show where we sold our fake products.
The products might have been fake, but I learned very early on what it took to make a successful business. We sold products we knew about and were passionate about. it worked well, and I still use some of those same skills to this day.
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Wow that sounds like an amazing class! Glad that you had access to something like that. I’m seriously debating taking a small business course next year. I wish I could have taken something like that earlier than my last year of university!
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I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here and ask: Can everyone be an entrepreneur? Someone has to work for these self-starters.
I guess my point is that you and many on this site tend to value the entrepreneurial spirit over other skill sets, like the ability to follow rules and be a good employee. While my parents did not necessarily encourage me to be an entrepreneur, they did urge me to ask questions and challenge authority to some extent. I have a healthy self-esteem, and this often can get in the way of being a good employee. I don’t take well to criticism and oftentimes don’t work well with others. I’m not blaming my parents for it, but I definitely see the same quality in my parents, my mother in particular.
What led me to academia (and ten years in graduate school) was largely a misplaced desire to escape “the man” (whoever that is) and because I wanted to be a self-starter. Well, now that I realize the academic market is in a state of collapse, especially in my field, I’m realizing I have to actually get a job in which I have to collaborate and work with others. This is hard!
I guess my point is that I agree with you that the ability to think outside the box is an important skill to foster in your children, but I hope it is tempered with the reality that most people end up working for someone else. And the ability to compromise and take criticism are crucial qualities to succeed in life as well.
One last thought: I think we can tend to over-think child-rearing and parenting. I’m not sure extremely intentional parenting is always the way to go. Sometimes things unfold organically, and those are the best lessons.
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It seems the only people I hear say “Not everyone can be an entrepreneur. Somebody has to work for them!” are those that aren’t entrepreneurs themselves.
I still think we’re very far off from a world where there are too many aspiring entrepreneurs (and I’m talking about the ones that are serious and follow through on things). I think most kids grow up to realize that most adults have jobs anyway, so it’s not like teaching them little lessons about entrepreneurship is setting them up for a lifetime of disappointment, either.
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There are real disadvantages to being self-employed. The first being that businesses do fail, especially start-ups. The next being that self-employed individuals often put in long days, weekend work, etc… At least until the business is running smoothly, but often much longer than that. The self-employed also pay higher tax rates, must provide their own benefits, etc…
In order for it to be worth being self-employed, you have to be far more successful than you would have otherwise. For a well-educated person making far above median wage, its impratical unless you are very committed to it.
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Brenton,
I hate to be the one to break it to you but…the cost of your employment taxes and benefits have already been factored into your salary.
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You can still be an entrepreneur and work for someone else. That’s what I do. I contract out my services to companies as a specialist employee. This way they don’t have to maintain someone with my specialized skill set when they don’t need it. I get to work for lots of different places on different programs so things never get boring.
It’s all in how you apply it.
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If you go to work every day and never question what you are doing or why then you aren’t a model employee and you aren’t contributing to the company as much as you could.
‘Good’ employees may gride out a day’s worth of work every day, but ‘GREAT’ employees question what they are doing and if there is a better way to do it. That is the same ‘spirit’ or ‘skill set’ that entrepreneurs use.
In the end we are ALL working for ourselves because if we aren’t getting what we need from our employer (security, money, fulfillment, what ever) then we change jobs.
Raising kids to know that they can’t just depend on thier one paycheck is a valueable thing. Most people I know even if they work “for the man” have a secondary source of income, or wish they did!
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I’m inclined to agree with you – but to return the “devil’s advocate” play, I’ll say this: Maybe everyone can’t be an entrpreneur. But everyone can’t be rich, either, and I’d rather be one of those.
TMND DOES say that a huge number of millionaires are business owners / entrepreneurs.
But I do agree with you, at heart. What was wrong with ’30 years and a gold watch’, or whatever the paradigm used to be? Shouldn’t a regular job be enough to support you in a comfortable life? Why should we all have to kill ourselves trying to bring in extra income just in order to live a decent life? (at least, that’s how I feel it is in NYC)
Or is it that we all expect more these days?
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I started my first business at age 10 with a small business loan of $5 from my mom. I bought potato chips for 25 cents each and sold them at school for 50 cents. I came home the first day with my $5 loan repayment and I had the capital for the next business day. I started introducing other products like blow pops and air heads but chips is what brought the biggest profit margin. That experience is invaluable. My wife doesn’t understand how\why I take a product and mark it up and sell it at a profit. She actually gets mad that I do it and says I make enough money from my job. My answer is always the same you don’t complain about my job hiring me to develop a product so they can sell it for a profit and what I do is no different.
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LOL! There were several similar sugar & chip dealers who made a lot of money off me! Blow pops and Jolly Ranchers were my drug off choice.
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Really enjoyed this article. My son is 5, and it’s so hard trying to balance teaching him to save against his impulse buying habits.
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I agree that entrepreneur is often born- and raised by one. We were encouraged to find ways to get money. We collected bottles, held backyard plays, sold magazines, babysat and generally hauled in enough to replace the time we didn’t get to spend with our dad who worked 60 hr weeks at his small business. We also lived in a neighborhood in which the average house had five children. Most families owned businesses (including doctors).
Four of my sibs are small business people. One is successful during the recession. The others are struggling, but making ends meet.
Don’t think that owning your own business protects you. But…learning to hustle can keep food on the table.
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My father was an entrepneur, and the experience of growing up with a father who was always working has made me convinced beyond a doubt that I wont ever be like that.
Anyone who has ever had vacations interrupted because something went wrong in your father’s business would tell you being self-employed isnt always sunshine and freedom.
And forget about no longer taking orders, because you will need customers and they will be far more bitchy and bastardly than any boss.
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As a business owner I wish I could hit the like button a thousand times. We are fortunate to have wonderful customers, however, at times it’s still like having a whole boatload of bosses. And, because of the nature of our business, we have not had a single vacation not interrupted.
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I read something else a while back about one way to TEACH OUR KIDS about money. A lady gave her kids a certain amount of money for buying school clothes and THE KIDS had to compare prices, look for bargains, and manage the money. I thought it was a very simple yet fantastic idea!!
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The assumption is that all children will respond to this “encouragement” in a positive manner. Sometimes things click for certain kids, other times it doesn’t. Most kids have enough trouble finding a “passion” to pursue, now they have to build a business around it? How long does the lemonade stand last? How long does the lawn mowing keep interest? They don’t, unless the child is focussed on the “MONEY” those things bring. If the child doesn’t have that interest, if they’d rather be reading books on astronomy, or drawing pictures at home, or they are terrified to speak to people, or they get quickly bored sitting around waiting for customers, or they slip on schedules and don’t get repeat business, then this advise is very limited.
Also, I’m really getting tired of people slamming schools. Your school taught you to be a good employee like 90% plus of people will be in the society they become adults in. Duh! Does it ever occur to all the people screaming to be “different” that you are only different if you compare yourself against the “normal”, otherwise you are the norm. Schools are there to give you the basics for the society you are entering into. They try to be many things to many people but in the end there is a normalizing across the board that to some extent must exist because they have limited resources and have to provide the biggest bang to the most people in society, and since the vast bulk of people in this, and most countries, become employees, then yes, you were taught that to some extent.
Instead of slamming the schools I applaud them for trying to provide what they can. My kids have been in some great programs, enjoyed lots of activities (sports and clubs), and gotten pretty good educations. In and among those opportunities are things that could help entrepreneurship. Club officer, fundraising efforts, organization of meetings, cold calls to gather sponsors, etc. Despite having to do many of these things for their clubs, schools activities, etc. not one of my children has shown the least desire to start a business.
Just keep in mind, you can encourage, but your kids find their own way.
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I just wrote a paper about various ways to organize a unit curriculum plan in school (I’m a teacher getting more education). This is what we’d call “project-based learning.” You are still learning content and skills, just like you would in class, but you’re doing so in a greater context. I really liked your mention of not knowing how to do something but figuring it out so that you could continue earning. That alone is a great life-long skill.
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Brad, once I turned 14 my parents gave me a clothing budget for back to school. I loved getting to plan and choose my own clothes.
It is interesting to hear about Tim’s experience learning to be an entrepreneur. It added a bit to the old “make your kid save 50%” advice.
The issue I’m having is with motivating my kids. They get $1 a week for packing their own school lunches, and can earn more by doing one of several tasks like sweep the floors in the 3 common rooms or walk the dog around the block. After a brief burst of enthusiasm they only do the bare minimum now. I can’t tell you the last time someone other than me swept the floor.
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Holly…first, I don’t have it all figured out but here’s something we have done. I tell the kids that we will pay them for cleaning their rooms. But if they don’t do it by a certain time, then I will do it and then I get paid. Bad thing about that deal is I charge $5 per room clean. It has worked better than anything we have done. And it’s not difficult to collect the money – as long as I REALLY DO CLEAN THE MESSY ROOM. I got that from a book that kinda changed my parenting style.
Doing a certain amount of work, I tell them, is just necessary by all family members to keep the family functioning.
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I love this idea. Brad, do you mind sharing the book you got it from?
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Yes..it’s called, “Loving Our Kids on Purpose” by Danny Silk. He’s gets a lot of his stuff from Love & Logic (should be able to google that).
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I agree that kids need to learn that a certain amount of work on the part of all family members is necessary for the functioning of the home. I also worry about the idea of giving an allowance as a form of payment for chores done. There are certain tasks in life for which we dont receive a financial incentive and they are still vital to our lifestyle. It seems like ordinary chores should be a given and those tasks outside of the absolutely necessary should be rewarded. The “gain” gotten from these chore chores is the satisfaction of a tidy, well organized home and knowing you are a vital part of the team we call family. We all do our fair share.
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When I turned 14, my parents stopped giving me money and I had to get a job. THAT taught me budgeting skills that have stuck, believe me.
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Saving, budgeting, and money management are great lessons, but a lot of people neglect to teach entrepreneurial skills to kids, and I think that omission is a glaring error. We want kids to be productive citizens, and building successful for-profit and non-profit ventures is a prime example of productivity.
Entrepreneurship is about taking action to solve problems and provide value to others. Those are basic skills that most kids have and develop, but the idea of starting your own business is daunting and foreign to many people–which is odd, because starting and running a business doesn’t have to be complicated. It takes hard work, but it’s not rocket science.
Teaching entrepreneurship is important because having your own business can give you financial freedom, greater flexibility, and the skills to be financially independent, rather than relying on a job for income. I think most parents would agree that they want their kids to be independent rather than dependent.
I’m self-employed and have 2 children (my son is 10 and my daughter is 7), and it’s extremely important to me to show my kids that building businesses is something that they can do. It’s important to me because having your own business can give you financial freedom, greater flexibility, and the skills to be financially independent, rather than relying on a job for income. So, instead of giving our kids allowance, we give them a commission for jobs that they do (which are over and above their normal chores); that way, they have to be more creative to figure out ways to earn money, and it also lets them learn how to negotiate and find value for others. When they receive money, we also have them split it into 3 categories: spend, save, and give.
I’ve seen my kids shift their thinking about what they want to be when they grow up, and now they’re talking more about what kinds of businesses they want to have. That perspective is an amazing gift to be able to give.
Greg Miliates
http://www.StartMyConsultingBusiness.com
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I think that the key to teaching your child about creating their own income is to pay them based on their work not an allowance. My kids when they need money ask what work do you have for us to do. My reply is usually they can work at the auctions or work on our rentals. They know that if they want money they have to go and find some work to do that is not their normal chores. I tell them that the only one who cares if they have money is them, so figure it out and find a way to earn some. My 8 year old tells me he needs to find another job so his savings will grow faster, because it is growing to slow.
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Excellent article.
I had a paper route when I was in middle school. I still shiver when I think about getting up at 4:00 in the morning to deliver newspapers in the winter.
I worked my way through the university by starting a couple of businesses that catered to my fellow students. I tuned up cars on weekends, and I had a singing telegram business.
Now, I make money buying fixer upper houses and turning them into rentals,and by writing and self-publishing books.
I hope to pass the entreprenurial torch onto my two sons. They are in middle school and high school now, but they have spent most of their lives working with my wife and I on the fixer up houses.
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We have encouraged out kids (15, 13, 10) to be entrepreneurs all along as we ourselves are entrepreneurs. In starting several of my companies, I created spots for my kids to learn graphic and web design (my 15 year old son heads our design dept today and supervises 6 adults in the process). My daughters sell free range eggs from our chickens and now my 13 year old has started her own jewelry line that she has begun selling locally. Our goal is to equip our kids with skills, so they never have to work for someone else if they don’t want to.
Last January I left the corporate world for good (formerly and AF pilot and advertising executive) and we moved to the country as full-time entrepreneurs. Living the life and teaching our kids how to do the same.
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Totally agree!!! Entrepreneurship teaches kids SO MUCH about success later in life. Love this post. Thanks, Tim.
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This is a great article, Tim. If kids can be influenced early, it will surely inspire later. And in this tight labor market, adults might think about it, too.
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This reminds me of a great article I came across recently!
http://blog.thestartuptoolkit.com/2011/10/my-dad-taught-me-cashflow-with-a-soda-machine/
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When my children received allowances, I required them to save half of it. This taught them a very important habit. My children are successful adults and learning to save, delay purchases and stay out of debt was an important lesson.
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Here’s my child-entrepreneurial endeavor: when I was in middle school I would listen to popular songs on the radio, write down the lyrics and sell them to my classmates lol! I think I sold them for 25¢ each song. And they were mostly rap songs so it was hard trying to decipher those lyrics!
However now I am an employee and work in a company. I guess I graduated sort of assuming that you get a job. I’ve done freelancing on the side, but not enough to quit my job. Plus the freelancing jobs tend to be stressful since a lot of the people that seek me out somehow aren’t as nice or as easy to work with as my coworkers in my company.
That said, I do still plan to teach my toddler entrepreneurship when he’s a bit older. I don’t plan to give allowance and instead help him find ways to make money.
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I’m sorry, but I can’t take child-rearing advice (especially about finance) seriously when it’s coming from a yoga teacher with no kids. He hasn’t demonstrated that he can make entrepreneurship work for himself yet, let alone for his hypothetical future children. When his children make their first million dollars, then it will be interesting to know how he raised them. In the meantime, it’s all speculative.
My dad started his own company. He worked (and still works) for himself and encouraged me to do the same. I never have, though, choosing to work for established companies (or sometimes new companies, founded by other people). I make more than he does now, and I’m only 30. Entrepreneurship is not the panacea that so many entrepreneurs seem to think it is.
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Actually, Tyler, I think you’re contradicting yourself with this and your comments don’t really make sense in light of what Tim is actually saying. Tim might not have any kids yet, but the fact that he’s a yoga teacher has nothing to do with his ability to make and save money, and it’s necessary to put your individual prejudices on career paths aside. If you read his previous articles, it’s the same entrepreneurial spirit that you’re doubting in him that allowed him to not only move to Europe but pay off his undergrad debt simultaneously. Now he’s living comfortably on purely his own ability to learn new skills and transform them into viable pay (not to mention a lifestyle that is extremely generous to those around him). If that’s not demonstrating his ability to make entrepreneurship work for himself (and others), I’d like to know how you define it.
Also, those aren’t skills that will disappear once he has kids. You’re assuming that his kids being able to make a million dollars is the supreme test of his ability to teach them financial skills, and Tim has said more than once that having excessive amounts of money ISN’T the test of success, or happiness, or financial viability. The test is whether or not you have personally determined what is important to you, learned how to fit your lifestyle around your values, and enjoy life for the intangibles, not the million in the bank (which, as many non-entrepreneurs are also discovering, isn’t guaranteed no matter what your career path). Raising your kids any other way would be misguided, in my estimation.
No, entrepreneurship isn’t a panacea, as I’m sure your dad would agree. But neither is spending a third of your life expending your energy and heart on a career that doesn’t feed you as an entire person. It also doesn’t mean the people who are doing it successfully (on their own terms, not the terms set by a greed-based, individualistic society), are any less of financial experts than those who have opted to work for someone else.
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but the fact that he’s a yoga teacher has nothing to do with his ability to make and save money
This is patently not true. His choice of professions has everything to do with his ability to make and save money.
entrepreneurial spirit that you’re doubting…
I am not doubting his entrepreneurial *spirit*, I am doubting his entrepreneurial *accomplishments*. His sole-proprietorship yoga teaching business is a start, which is good for him, and I’m glad he’s doing OK with it. And it’s not like I know that much about how it’s going, but it sounds like it’s too early to call it a success. I hope he does well, but he hasn’t proven himself yet.
allowed him to not only move to Europe but pay off his undergrad debt simultaneously.
That’s fine and all, but everyone I work with at my non-entrepreneurial job paid off all their student loans a long time ago. That is not a selling point for entrepreneurship for me.
Now he’s living comfortably on purely his own ability to learn new skills and transform them into viable pay
So am I.
If that’s not demonstrating his ability to make entrepreneurship work for himself (and others), I’d like to know how you define it.
The last guy I worked for before my curent employer sold that company for 15 million dollars. He started another company that currently has 35 employees and is probably worth more than the previous one was when he sold it, and it’s only a couple years old. If I want advice on entrepreneurship, I’d rather read it from my old boss than from the owner of a (very new) sole-proprietorship yoga studio. Maybe Tim will get there someday, but so far he hasn’t. That doesn’t mean that everything he writes is wrong, but it means that much of it will be unproven.
You’re assuming that his kids being able to make a million dollars is the supreme test of his ability to teach them financial skills
No, I’m saying that the test of whether he knows how to teach kids to be entrepreneurs is to watch those kids and see if they become successful entrepreneurs, just like the test of whether someone’s a good baseball coach is to see if the players he coaches are winning lots of games. He may be a *happy person* because he knows his values and tailors his lifestyle to his desires or whatever, but he’s a good *baseball coach* if his players win. If you’re writing about entrepreneurship you’re talking about building businesses. If you want to talk about being happy, that’s fine, but it’s a different thing. You can give entrepreneurial advice or happiness advice and either could be good or bad, but they’re not the same thing.
My sole contention is that most everything he advises is completely unproven. It may be interesting to read his story as he progresses along that path, but for now, he has zero parenting experience and not that much entrepreneurial experience, so I’m going to take any advice he gives on those subjects with a grain of salt.
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I hear what you’re saying, but again, it’s not actually relevant to the conversation. Tim would be saving and earning in some other way that wasn’t yoga if he hadn’t chosen that path. The point is not the yoga, it’s the fact that he wasn’t willing to follow the typical career plan. He’s also 25 years old and much further in the game than most. Definitely take him with a grain of salt if you’d rather talk to your boss, but then again, you’re on this website for a reason, and his perspective is probably one that your boss would agree with.
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I think this is a great introduction to a movement that needs to happen in this country. Kids today need more of a financial education than they are getting, and if we wait for the schools to do it, we’ll be waiting far too long.
I’ve been thinking about a parent’s role in the financial education of their kids, and the danger inherent in relying on the knowledge of each parent to pass along to the child.
Could a third party solution, one outside of the education and financial systems, designed to help parents pass on important financial savvy to their kids be worth investing in?
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Yeah, what Tyler said.
I actually do have kids, young teenagers. I give them an allowance. It is not for basics like food and clothing and school supplies–I provide all that for them because I am the parent. It isn’t paid them in return for chores–they are expected to do their chores because they are a family member, not because they’re paid for it.
Their allowance is theirs to spend as they wish for toys, school dances, spending at school on vending machines, even video games (which I refuse to buy them). Requiring them to save part of it would take away the spending decisions from them wouldn’t it? I want them to figure out and decide what to spend things on, whether the $90 on a hand held video game is really “worth it” when they could buy a lot of comic books for that instead.
We also talk frequently about the family budget, discussing for example how much cable costs and whether we’d like to get Netflix instead, or how much a pet costs in $ and time and whether we want one. I think they are getting a great education about money–they are very level headed and practical.
My kids have occasionally gotten the entrepreneurial spirit but it’s a problem because in reality, a kid doesn’t have any skills or products to sell that are really worth anybody buying. I don’t want my kids going door-to-door and hitting up my neighbors for odd jobs or to sell them stuff. My neighbors are really nice & would probably “hire” my kids or buy their lemonade because they think my kids are cute. But I know my neighbors can’t afford to spend that money–they’re retired and low income families. I encourage my kids to help out the neighbors with yard work because it’s the decent thing to do, not because they could get paid for it.
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I really like the “ever vague business man” part, and I can totally relate to this from high school. I went to a business-focused college without really knowing where I would end up for a job. After one semester, I transferred out and got an engineering degree instead.
I totally get what you’re saying in the post, and I agree with just about all of it. I think whether you become an entrepreneur or not, there’s value in learning the related skills and concepts of money. Some people go through their whole life never understanding that, and it’s hurting them in the long run.
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Teaching your kids to be entrepreneurs is a good idea.
Making them actually sell services is probably illegal in most of the civilized world.
So children should learn how to use money and provide value to others but REAL value.
At some point after 16 years of life they might start doing their own businesses. But let’s not forget that even in the business world youth is not well regarded.
I would not send my child to go ask for services unless he was aware of the real value of his work and would actually think of the needs of the other person.
To add to this both me and my father were very loved chidren.My grandfather and father provided for us whatever we wanted(helped by their wives of course).
My grandfather had a very difficult life working on the farm .. but he owned his house and car and never had any debt. He is still alive helping out my father …
My father went bankrupt a couple of years ago. Out of business almost homeless (he now rents). All because he had not idea of the value of money.
Before that I also had about 35.000 $ (25.000 Euro)
in personal debt.
I grew up learning that being in debt was the way of life now I can’t stand it.
Thanks to a very frugal lifestyle I managed to be debt free(except for a credit card which I reimburse before the deadline each month) and the rent.
I am now saving for the downpayment of my first apartment. I should have a 20% downpayment in 18 months.
Nobody taught me to save(except for my grandmother). Just to be a good employee.
Nobody taught me to sell my services either. I am still learning that.
Just don’t make your kid a money obsessed salesman. Let him learn about money and then choose.
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While being an enrepreneur is one way to be successful in life, it is only one path to happiness. I personally find my life richer having the time to spend with my daughter than working many hours on a business that may or may not succeed. I also derive pleasure at working on projects at my firm that I would be unlikely to work on at a smaller newly established firm. I also prefer knowing when I will get paid. To each her own.
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I dunno – I like Tim’s article, but as a parent (who is not even remotely interested in being an entrepreneur), I can’t relate well to it. I’ve tried to tie my son’s allowance to chores, and for the most part it’s a Big Fail – either he is totally content to live without discretionary spending money if it gets him out of chores (even though we don’t fund his wants), or he ties everything to money – “I’ll only help around the house if I get paid for it.” So he gets a modest allowance with the clear message of certain expectations being met as a family member.
I realize that being an entrepreneur is the trendy thing to do nowadays (just like it was to be a business executive in the 1980′s and to be part of a dotcom startup in the 1990′s), but IMHO one doesn’t need to follow the trends. If you want to be an entrepreneur, that’s great; if you want to be part of a dotcom/start-up, fine; if you want to get your MBA and become an executive, o.k. And if you just want to work for somebody else, I think there’s nothing wrong with that, even if it’s not flashy.
J.D. says that one should spend their money on what brings them value. I think the same goes for time spent earning money – as much as one is able, work the kind of work you want to do in the manner that you like most or that makes you happiest. (For me, it’s working for a large company that treats its employees decently and that allows me to go home and not think about work in the evenings.) That’s better than following trends.
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Very well said, Laura. Ultimately I want my two sons to be happy, whatever it is they decide to do. I know that sounds trite, but that is really how I feel as a mother. I try very hard to not ascribe value or class judgements to the types of work that my children encounter on a day to day basis. Whatever they want to do, as long as it’s legal, that’s okay by me. And if they just want to work for a paycheck, that’s okay too. My husband does that, and from what I can tell he’s pretty happy. He derives meaning outside of work. His job is not miserable by any means, but I don’t imagine he would describe himself as passionate about it.
I knew nothing about the author until it was mentioned that he didn’t have children. I certainly think those who are not in a situation can contribute to a discussion. But honestly the article rings hollow now that I know he doesn’t have children. I appreciate J.D. trying to bring in articles about family life, even though that is not his expertise, but why not have Brokamp or someone with direct experience write the article?
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Jane and Laura,
First of all, I agree, every kid is different and we need to learn their rhythms and interests and support them in every way possible, while also teaching them, whether as an entrepreneur or a loyal employee.
First of all, transparency: I had three children, the author Tim being the youngest. I am the scrooge that encouraged self-reliance in all three of my kids, each one reacting differently in accordance with their own personality. I was please to see Tim intuitively absorbed and reflected on some of the lessons I had hoped to teach my children. (They never actually tell you at the time.)
Since he has joined getrichslowly, I have come to respect the incredible level of insight of this online community and the questions that are raised. I find the community very sharing and the insights very exciting.
So, speaking as a parent, a few thoughts about teaching money management to our kids, most of which Tim talked about, some of which he will say, oh, yea, I forgot about that one.
I am complete believer in allowances for kids, with an understanding of what it covers Parents have a responsibility for healthy food, shelter and some degree of respectable clothing. Beyond that the marketing world spends millions on enticing our kids to buy the coolest, in-est, grooviest product around. That’s what allowances are for. When confronted with the desperate pleading of “I really need this,” it takes parents out of the bad guy role, with a response of “that’s what your allowance is for.”
Somewhere around age 7, my oldest child, Tim’s big sister, saw the coolest, softest stuffed bunny at a stuffed animal shop and it was love at first sight. “I NEED this bunny.” And, no doubt, parents agreed, it was a really cool bunny. With the response of “that’s what your allowance is for,” you could see the look on her face of “I have to make a CHOICE!” Whether to spend a month’s worth of allowance on a stuffed bunny she really loved became an excruciating teachable moment. That day at least one parent returned to the store three times while she decided and re-decided whether the coolest stuffed bunny in the world was worth a month’s savings in allowance. In the end, she decided not to buy the bunny. She saw the value of other options.
In guiding their decision-making, we had a family standard of “what’s the play value.” How much time are you actually going to “play” with this purchase, or is it a one-time fun thing that gets discarded (which kids do all the time because of our marketing culture). It did bring a little bit of long term decision making into the choice. Even now, as adults, my kids joke about the “play value” of some purchase.
By the way, I am not a believer in allowances being for chores. Allowances are for money management. Chores are assigned based on being a member of the family. But I also support payment for extra projects and a child suggesting project possibilities that contribute to the household environment, for which payment is available – but also becomes an opportunity for parent and child to work together. Double teaching going on.
Next parental issue: school lunches. Many schools, from grade school to high school to college offer lunch and food plans, as opposed to brown bagging it. Somewhere around second grade, brown bag lunches become so uncool. While the cost of the (often nutritious) school lunch is not a big deal, here a money management decision opportunity. Here’s the deal: you are welcome to take brown bag lunch (which you prepare, with some guidance) – and half of the school lunch program cost gets added to your allowance to do what you want with it. Another money management choice, another teaching opportunity. By the way, Tim in college strongly preferred his own meal plan at the local grocery than the ease of the college food plan.
Finally, high school teen clothing. Pure agony for parents, as the latest style, the in-designer becomes incredible important for self-image and social acceptance. The pressure on parents by teens for looking good is incredible – and potentially very expensive.
But it’s the same lesson as buying the stuffed bunny. This is not an allowance, but a clothing budget. Once in high school my kids – more than ten years ago – were given $600 in September (it probably needs to be more now) at the start of the school year strictly for clothing, including clothes, sloes, and winter coats. I didn’t give them $600 in cash, they were just notified of our bookkeeping arrangement. They could spend it all at once or pace it out through the year. They could buy $150 shirts and $250 “kicks” if they wanted to, but it had to last until next September.
I’m not saying all the choices were great, but the teaching opportunity was very successful. I am proud to say that all three of my children quickly found the value – and still maintain it – of Salvation Army retro clothing – and were considered cool in their retro-ness – so they could buy the really expensive and cool stuff (with more “play value”) they wanted. Another money management choice and opportunity.
Like any parent, I am pleased to see that some of the values I taught my kids have been passed on. But if you wanted a parent’s perspective of someone who has been through it, these are my helpful hints.
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Thanks, Terry, for your insight. For the record, I didn’t have any issue with Tim’s post because he’s not a parent, only that as a parent I didn’t relate to it – and that was because of my particular situation.
The background you provide is useful, and probably applies to a majority of people. In my case, not so much. My son is a great kid but definitely quirky and has mild Asperger’s. We took exactly the same approach you did about his allowance covering the “extras” (fancier clothes, swankier toys). In a few cases, we’ve run into the “that’s what your allowance is for” thing, mostly over comics, and he’s had to make choices, which is good. Most of the time, he couldn’t care less. He’ll wear high-water pants because they’re comfortable, socks that don’t match in style or color, and used to wear undershirts on the outside until he switched to a school that has a uniform (he’s 14 and couldn’t care less about peer pressure, thinks the kids who do are idiots; amazingly, he’s popular because he’s so much his own person that the other kids think he’s cool). Usually he wants me to buy his clothes “because, Mom, you know how to pick good stuff for cheap.” He knows he could earn extra allowance for doing chores but isn’t at all interested (“$8 a week is all I need”). He won’t eat school lunches and packs the exact same lunch every day. Sometimes I think he must be Howards Hughes’ love child. Admittedly, he does save me a lot of money!
I point this out only to say that while Tim’s post was interesting and probably useful to some, it’s by no means universal advice applicable to everyone. Mileage varies, depending upon personalities as well as tastes. (I’m sure Tim knows this, but this point didn’t come through so strongly in his post.)
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Everyone needs to behave; Tim’s mom is here!
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You made some great points here. But I’m thinking that the main job for kids is to study and do well in school. I afraid that if I encourage my kids into business too much, then education could take a toll. As students, they should be focused in education and do well in school. If they are out mowing or standing to sell lemonade, then they are losing precious time on their study. I would rather have my kids focus in their study so that they can potentially become someone great. Having a business mind is great but for kids, it might be too young. I don’t know what is right here but this is my thinking… What do you think?
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oh my. we’re talking about teaching kids to be think, to do, to learn about the effort v. work ratio. it’s not rocket science or a parenting dilemma. years ago, when i was a kid, you had a lemonade stand, you sold cookies for the brownies, you mowed lawns, shoveled show, walked someone’s dog, i ran errands for neighbors who didn’t want to go to the deli and pick up miscellaneous things. i worked for the “tips’ of being allowed to buy some candy with the change. my mother didn’t spend hours analyzing whether i’d be a good or bad employee as a result of these “entrepreneurial” ventures. she probably didn’t even know when i did the errands for the neighbors. i learned a VERY valuable lesson about money when I once innocently bought more candy than I was allowed to with my tip and lost a customer. Still remember the shame of that and it was 55 years ago. so yes, it should be organic in a way, but in our micro-managed, helicopter parenting society, it seems that nothing is allowed by chance. a lot of kids tried lemonade stands, and some were better at it than others. just like the piano lessons, skating, sports, etc., etc…what IS the big deal here. all these things are to teach kids to be well-rounded, to think and be creative. whether they end up being entrepreneurs or employees. some of the greatest business minds of our times were both employees and entreprenerus. but i bet they all had some version of the lemonade stand.
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Formal education is obviously important for every single person. But, I agree here that it is wise to encourage kids; if not inform them about different contrivances to generate income.
I remember putting up lemonade stands in my neighborhood, but it was never serious enough for me to learn how to create money. My childhood was so focused on sports, that it taught me to be a team player obviously, but also taught me to learn from my failures as well. Which is one entrepreneurial trait that is essential to success!
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Great article, and important for parents to realize that entrepreneurship is not just about starting a company. Kids will benefit from that attitude in any career.
On a related topic, there is a good book on entrepreneurs for parents to pass on to their kids called Lawn Boy. I wrote a review on it here:
http://www.headhunterdad.com/2011/09/book-recommendation-lawn-boy.html
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With advanced apologies:
I think some people people are misreading Tim’s article. He is nowhere advocating the lifestyle of Mark Cuban for your children. All he is saying is that entrepreneurship is part of any kind of financial literacy these days.
Whether you work for someone else trying to make money in business or whether you supplement your income by running a small laundromat, you need basic entrepreneurial literacy in order to function properly in society.
Unlike the days of yore, you no longer sign to a company for life, unless you work for Amazon or perhaps (just perhaps) some sort of future Microsoft (the IBM of 2040).
If Reed Hastings has taught us anything, it’s that no company can last forever if it treats its customer like jackasses. Therefore you job is never guaranteed. You cannot control everything.
Learning to cost a process, learning to reach a market, learning to clear a profit are goals that everyone should comprehend and keep in mind. Even your local fire department. If you run a non-profit (big industry in my state) you still need an entrepreneurial mind. If you run a small department in a big company you likely can benefit your company with an entrepreneurial mind. If you run any kind of anything, you can benefit from an entrepreneurial state of mind.
For those here who criticize Tim, notice that isn’t receiving economic outpatient care from his parents. For a recent college graduate from a liberal arts degree, that is pretty good. He writes, he works out, he lives like a philosopher and manages to make a buck. His future is his to decide. Some people here sound like they are… jealous.
I say learn what you want from his example and hope your own children don’t become a burden to you.
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ps- I forgot to say: an entrepreneurial education will teach you the importance of *great customer service* and you can apply that principle no matter who you work for: a few large clients, a mass of small clients, the citizens of your own town, your boss or bosses, an audience, another department in your company, or anybody who decides if you should continue to receive their money. It all boils down to your service (your labor) being worth the compensation you receive–a compensation which should include an honest profit for your enjoyment.
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Tim,
Great article. As a soon-to-be law school graduate, I completely understand how outdated the old model of employment really is. For instance, many people don’t realize that only a small fraction of students will find jobs that most lay people tend to associate with the life of a “lawyer.”
I really think you hit on the entrepreneurial skill set that needs to be taught to children, students, and adults alike. Our education system is a large part of the problem — it mainly encourages and reinforces the worker bee mentality. Rarely are students taught creativity and critical thinking skills.
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Talk about devil’s advocate and the old paradigms not working anymore, you may need to counsel checking your local and state ordinances about what kids can sell, when, and too whom …the government doesn’t like competition nor free exchange without taking a cut, even on underage citizens:
http://www.lemonadefreedom.com/
http://savannahnow.com/news/2011-02-26/savannah-rule-bans-cookie-sales-girl-scouts-home
Free commerce restrictions are often “selectively enforced” so you may get fined for doing something the neighbor’s kid did last week:
“Jennifer Hughes, the director of permitting for the county, SAYS IT’S TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL TO RUN EVEN THE SMALLEST LEMONADE STAND IN THE COUNTY, but inspectors usually don’t go looking for them.”
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/155167/158/County-Shuts-Down-Kids-Lemonade-Stand-500-Fine
If your kid tries to fly under the “need a permit to sell anything radar” then she may run into a problem with school officials if she gets too entrepreneurial:
http://www.thesamohi.com/feature/candy-dealers-samo%E2%80%99s-underground-entrepreneurs
In CA and NY among other, bake sales are generally illegal so be sure to check your local cottage food laws as well as your school vending laws:
“Bake sales are banned”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/nyregion/03bakesale.html
And then there is the liability that comes from just living amongst the dredges of the Darwin pool:
“Cookie klatch lands girls in court” (neighbor wins $900)
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_3347961?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com
Selling anything second hand for cash is now illegal under most conditions in Louisiana under House Bill 195, so don’t let the kid sell his bike or old GI Joe figures unless your kid can process a debit/credit/money order payment or wants a life lesson in record keeping:
http://www.klfy.com/story/15717759/second-hand-dealer-law
And if you or your kid make more than $600/year on alternative income, you have to claim it on taxes. And if you made money off of ebay “arbitrage” you have to report the profits on individual items, not just anything over $600, because the IRS considers that a for-profit business. If you sell “collectibles” (art (figures and pictures), rugs, antiques (toys, figures, anything 100 years or older), metals (such as gold, silver, copper and platinum), gems & jewelry, stamps (baseball and Pokemon cards), coins, or alcoholic beverages that you’ve held more than a year) the IRS considers money received as liable for capital gains.
Your under-age kid must file if his net income from self-employment is more than $400/year and you are responsible/liable for the filing while said kid is a dependent.
Not getting caught because of selective enforcement does not make a practice legal. How many of you check to see if your town requires a permit to hold a yard sale before holding one?
A minor age 14-17 must have a work permit for all work except: a farm laborer, domestic worker, golf caddie, newspaper carrier, performer/actor/model, or if the minor is legally emancipated, a high school graduate (or equivalent) or employed by his or her own parent who is the sole proprietor of a business. No one under 14 is technically allowed to work accept 12-14 year old agri workers (crops, tobacco pickers, etc.) with work permits.
That means your kid cannot “technically, legally” hire out for a lot of jobs and you’ll need to check your local enforcement as everything depends on the definition of “farm” and/or “domestic”. Some areas classify yard work as farm, others do not and it is technically illegal to hire a kid to mow the lawn or wash a car.
Gotta watch that “technically illegal” thing…
Too often this site recommends practices that were legal, non-taxed, or unprecedented when we were young…all that is changing, and not for the better. Giving a “check your local laws” is doing a disservice to readers who do not realize how invasive those local laws regarding free commerce have altered.
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Lots of folks try going into business, some succeed some don’t.
My folks encouraged me to self-employ when I was a kid, but I didn’t do too well – selling Christmas cards door to door just didn’t take off!
I’d like to try to do a better job helping my young grandkids learn to be self-employable than I did with my kids. I’m trying to start early and help them learn about money and finances and give them practice doing different kinds of jobs and businesses to earn money.
I’m taking some inspiration from a book I read called “Young Bucks – How to Raise a Future Millionaire” by Troy Dunn. It isn’t so much about being a millionaire as it is about learning to look for and fill opportunities. Dunn has lots of good ideas on businesses to start at various ages, for those of us who need them.
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I think allowances are important to teaching children how to handle money, but definitely some instruction with it would be helpful. As far as adults who still spend like they’re children, the learning curve is much higher. For some reason as adults, giving up the extras tends to be more difficult, I suppose this is because as kids we had no choice but to listen and now we can do whatever we want. My advice would be a slow transition towards better money management so you can have little successes that will lead to one big one!
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You can never start too early to teach your kids about the value of money. Love the picture of the little boy with the jars, that is exactly how I started!
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We live in a neighborhood filled with starter homes. There are several rental homes and the families that do own their homes are often living paycheck to paycheck and have several children living in a 1,000 sq ft house. I’m sure these families don’t have a huge allowance for their kids, or buy them the newest gadgets. We have had several kids come to our door wanting to mow our lawn or rake our leaves. If the kids want to learn the value of hard work, more power to them. We live in this neighborhood by choice, not necessity, but encouraging these kids entrepreneurial efforts may mean that they have a better life ahead of them than their parents have now.
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