Ask the Readers: How Much Money Do You Need Before You Have Kids?
Published on - November 11th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) For the most part, this site reflects my values and my experiences. That’s natural. One of the first rules of writing is to “write what you know”. This is one of the main reasons I’ve brought staff writers aboard here at Get Rich Slowly — their experiences are different than mine, and they bring different perspectives into play.
Sometimes I have big blind spots in my life (financial and otherwise). One rather large blind spot stems from the fact that Kris and I have opted not to have children. Because of this, I have nothing in the way of real-world experience to bring to discussions of how kids affect finances. (Well, I do, but parents aren’t inclined to listen to non-parents, so I just keep silent.)
Still, this is an important issue to many folks, as is evidenced by this question from Andi, a question I’m not qualified to comment on. Here’s what Andi writes:
When do you know when you have enough money to have kids? My husband and I both are excited and feel “ready” emotionally to have children. (We’re in our early thirties, married five years.). We’re pretty financially stable now. We both have good degrees, and only about $15,000 in student debt between us, and no credit card debt. We also have some retirement savings (around $60,000) and some cash on hand in an online savings account (about $40,000). We don’t own a home. We are living with my parents until we move to a different city in a few weeks.
Here’s the thing: We’re in the process of re-jigging our careers and moving. We’re finally ready to try to “follow our dreams” (to be cheesy). For my husband, that means transitioning to a lower paid job (about $40,000 a year — hopefully will get higher in the future) and for me, it means freelance writing and part-time work. I could find a job in my field that pays a lot of money, but it’s miserable drudge of work, and I know I would be unhappy at it. (Still, it’s very tempting.)
At this time of transition, we’re just not sure if we can “afford” kids. What if our new jobs don’t work out? We’re pretty frugal and aren’t the kind of people who would want a lot of “stuff” for our kids, but daycare, etc. is just so expensive. People who make a lot more than us say they struggle. I wonder whether we should just wait until we’re more established. (We also tend to move a lot, and my husband’s job isn’t permanent). I’m also worried that I’ll have kids, and just freak out about money, and give up on my own personal ambitions in favor of security. But we definitely want kids, and that clock is definitely ticking.
Any thoughts?
I think this is a great question, and I’m glad that Andi and her husband are willing to take the time to ask it. I wish more people were willing to think this through.
That said, as with anything, I think there’s a delicate balance of wants vs. needs when it comes to children, and how people cope with this determines how affordable kids can be. Trent at The Simple Dollar does a great job of documenting how he and his wife have been building a family without drowning in debt. Many other folks have built families on small budgets.
But, as Andi says, there are people with solid salaries and substantial savings who struggle. I think a lot of it depends on what you think your kids need need in order to prosper and be happy.
My own opinion as a non-parent? I think the time and attention you spend on your children matters a hell of a lot more than the money you spend on them. The money you spend is irrelevant. Your kids don’t give a fig if you’re dressing them in the latest fashions or buying fancy toys or sending them to the best schools. They’d be just as happy wearing hand-me-downs and playing with a ball and a stick. I’m not kidding. What they want most is attention and affirmation from their parents.
But, as I said, I don’t actually have kids, so I’m only making a judgment based on watching other families (and on my undergrad studies into child development). I think Andi wants some real-world advice. That’s where you come in, readers.
What do you think? How much money do you need before you have children? How can you know you’re ready to start a family, both financially and otherwise? And what sorts of things can Andi and her husband do to become better prepared for kids? What advice do you have for them?
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I’m only 23, and don’t have kids (yet). We can’t all be experts from the perspective of parents, but we can all look at it from the perspective of the kids, surely. Or at least I’m young enough to still remember being a child
We didn’t have many luxuries when I was growing up, but I still think I had a great and happy childhood. In fact, my mum was an unemployed, single, teenage mum when she had me. She still has debt left from then, don’t get me wrong, but now she’s got a high-powered career and is doing well. Lack of money didn’t stop us being happy, or succeeding. Both me and my sister have a university education and I’m in a graduate job I love. My mum couldn’t pay for clubs or classes, but she was a stay at home mum when we were little who took us to free museums and basically let us live at the library. There are frugal ways to bring children up.
Sure, you should put yourself in as good a situation as you can, but you shouldn’t wait too long if you’re emotionally ready. What if the “right” time never comes?
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My wife and I got married when we were both college students. We have been married for over 18 years now, and we have 7 children (17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, & 3). Are children expensive? Well yes and no. Children are as expensive as you want them to be.
My family spends about $1200 per month on groceries, and I always here how incredible that is… I have a friend with 34 children living in their home, mostly adopted from other countries, beautiful family, and their grocery bill isn’t much more than mine.
My income because of what I have chosen to do over the last couple decades has been all over the map, from hundreds of dollars a year to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. The children notice that we may not eat out as much, or go to as many cool places… but that is the older ones, once they turn 12+ they start to want more ‘cool things’ that cost more generally.
I would absolutely jump in and get started with your family. My wife and I started immediately… she got pregnant 2 weeks after we got married… so that was pretty quick. Did we have money? No, would I recommend others do what we did? Well, it was fun, and it was exciting… it sure built our faith in each other…
The only thing to fear in parenting is to think that you know everything about kids… When I first got married, I thought I could write a book about parenting, now 18 years and 7 kids later I am not sure I could write a 2 page pamphlet that would have much value on parenting…
Good luck, take the plunge and hold on to each other.
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Touche! Reminds me of the old adage “I had no children and ten theories on raising them. Now I have 10 children and not a single theory!”
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Someone told me once that children “cost every dollar you earn. If you earn $10,000 or $1 Million, it doesn’t matter, they still cost every penny.”
And in many ways I find that to be true. Even my own retirement savings is thought about in a “I don’t want to be a burden to my daughter when I am old” kind of way, instead of a “what do I want/need when I am old” way.
When I had my daughter I was a single 21 year old, first year university student. I made $6,000 that year, and rent took up most of that, so she certainly cost me every penny that year!
But now that I am financially stable, life style creap has meant that while I am saving more, I am also spending (a lot) more… and now we take more vacations, see more live theatre, wear nicer clothing, etc. etc. And so she still costs me every dollar I make!
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You are absolutely right about the time vs. money thing. We have five kids and a pretty average income for a family with only two. I can tell you that a) kids aren’t nearly as expensive as the “experts” claim they are, if you’re just creative about how you raise them and b) if you wait until you feel like you can afford it, your fertility window might be closing by the time you get there. I say jump in and don’t look back. Enjoy parenthood. Don’t worry about the money. It truly doesn’t matter.
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That’s a lovely sentiment. Does it apply to poor people as well?
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The only thing I am concerned about with the letter writer is whether she has health insurance or if she could afford health insurance if she has to pay out of pocket.
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I totally agree on this. You don’t need a whole lot in terms of material things, but I would be very loath to have a child without reasonably secure health insurance.
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Although, one would also need to plan for insurance not to cover everything. Our insurance doesn’t cover a nurse-practitioner in the emergency room. We also paid all our own prenatal and birth costs ($3800) because our insurance doesn’t cover care and birth associated with a planned home birth.
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Jenny is absolutely right. People today seem to think you can turn your fertility on and off like a light bulb. The older you get, the less likely you will be able to conceive.
The decision about having children much more about if you want to be a parent than if you can “afford” it. Life is uncertain. You can lose your job or a spouse can die. More commonly, the wife may decide she wants to stay home with the children. You just can’t plan for these things or put them on a spreadsheet.
All people need to be concerned about their finances but really the question becomes; who is the master? Do you work for your money or does your money work for you?
Sue, 41 year-old stay at home mom of 5 who pays for her kids without government help
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I agree. i have 3 kids at the age of 28. I work full time as a registered nurse in NYC (great salary) but I became a nurse after I had my kids. The children were my priority. I am married and happy and so are my children. So many people are so caught up on the perfect financial circumstances in order to have children. Finances are important…but so is life. Not only are you at a higher risk of infertility as you get older but research shows that you’re more at risk for complications. If you want kids, have them and enjoy them.
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Very true, kids need parents’ time and attention not money. But, JD when the kid starts going to school, there are various parameters come in to play where in you need to spend money on your kid. I know a kid who was getting bullied in school for his hand me down dresses and their parents’ frugal practices. In their world things happen which grown ups can’t imagine.
I have no kid yet but its not waiting for money rather, it just that god is not willing yet.
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I’m not surprised HE’S getting bullied at school for wearing hand me down DRESSES
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Kids get bullied for a lot of reasons — like their ears being “too big.” I don’t think waiting until you can afford nice clothes is the best way to solve a very complex issue.
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I totally agree! My daughter got bullied for no reason at all. I teach junior high, and it’s a brutal time, no matter who you are or what you look like. My brother has 6 kids and a salary of about $60k a year (though he was making a LOT less 9 years ago when they started having kids). The kids are beautiful, happy, and intelligent. It might get harder as they’re older and want cell phones and such, but there are great clothes available at second-hand and consignments stores (that’s where I do all my shopping, even though I don’t have to!), and with the way kids grow, often hand-me-downs aren’t very ragged. If there’s a will there’s a way!
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I was bullied for wearing hand-me-downs, not having Barbies, and reading books. Even if I had millions, I would not want my future kid to have everything his/her peers think he/she is “required” to have.
Apart from the money issue, I think that teaching a kid they can buy their way out or change their way out of bullying is a very bad life lesson.
Parents need to stand up to bullies, too.
I have learned so much from being bullied, the main thing being not to succumb to peer pressure. Which in turn makes me refractory to keeping up with the Joneses. I’ll be eternally grateful that my parents never felt it necessary to protect me from bullying by buying me Stuff that would make me fit in.
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All kids get teased for *something* at some point in their lives, which is what I think you guys are discussing. When the teasing causes a child to fear for their safety at school, then I would call it bullying.
Bullying is serious, and I think a distinction needs to be made between it and the general *ribbing* we all go through as kids.
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I don’t know about the others, but I’m talking about bullying. Bloody noses, knocked out teeth, bruises everywhere. I was terrified to go to school. It sucked.
Still, I don’t think my parents should have caved and bought me Stuff so that I could fit in.
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Kids are a-holes. Sad but true. They’ll bully you for anything. I wouldn’t spend unnecessary money on clothes in the hopes that my kid wouldn’t get bullied.
Plus I got bullied in school because my parents didn’t have a lot of money, and you know what? I think it was good for me. It sucked at the time but it taught me a lot about how to treat people with respect and decency, no matter what they look like or where they come from.
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If you wait until the perfect time to have kids, you’ll never have them. Having children is the biggest life-changing event that I’ve had. You must completely change your thinking. It’s no longer about you, it’s about the helpless human being you’ve brought into the world who depends upon you for everything. The definition of parenthood is sacrifice. It is more about this than the money: Are you willing and happy to completely rearrange your lives?
I gave up a successful, time-intensive career as an engineer because my sons were so much more important than any worldly success I could have had. After they were in school, I choose a less-demanding career as a high school mathematics teacher. That may sound like a sacrifice, but what I’ve gained from being their mother is worth so much more than anything I could have gotten as a highly-paid engineer.
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I completely agree with you Marsha. Parenthood comes with many trials and tribulations. If you choose to hold off because of money (especially since you are in a pretty good position to start with), you will never have the “right” time. As for the sacrifice of parenthood, I think that comes naturally. The day we brought our first born home from the hospital, my husband and I marveled. We couldn’t even remember what things were like before we had him! It truly is amazing and something you will never regret. Also, I would take into consideration your ages. Getting pregnant required a lot of “practice” for us. Over a year of trying for each of our three kiddos.
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I totally agree with you, Marsha! I have 2 teenagers. If you wait until the ‘right time’ to have kids, you will never have them. & it is also true that after you do have them, they come first, period.
That said, kids are expensive even if you aren’t bothering with the designer clothes & toys or even daycare.
Making sure you have access to good health insurance/medical care is an absolute must because a massively expensive and critical health crisis can come up really unexpectedly–you have to be covered.
Another thing I think parents have to remember–you are a parent your whole lives, not just during the first 10 years when your kids are extremely dependent on you. Your family needs you to prepare for your own retirement and if you can als help your kids with college costs they will really come out ahead.
Thus making rash and irrevocable decisions about your family’s future based on the idea that your kids will be young forever is a bad idea. As parents, you can best take care of your kids & family throughout their lives by not ignoring your own health and welfare.
So if you want to stay home with your kids while they’re young that’s great, but your plan has to also include what you’ll do after they grow up. Too often, people only look at present costs: ie they compare current daycare costs vs one parents’ current job income. But daycare is only needed for 10 years or so while you’ll likely need a career and earning ability for the rest of your life.
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I have never commented before, and I’m sure that I’m going to get reamed for this, but I completely disagree. Your kids only get one childhood. If you can possibly afford it, stay home with them. You don’t do a whole lot of child rearing in 2 hours between daycare and bedtime.
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A lot of parents work and have more than 2 hours a day with their kids; my partner and I worked slightly off-shift of each other when my son was in daycare. Last year I worked when he was in school or sleeping. I’ve worked with parents who worked opposite shifts and had no paid child care at all.
But aside from all that, there’s a lot of parenting in whatever hours you get in, and a lot of SAH parents ignoring their kids to be on the internet or do housework all day.
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I completely disagree with you. Making time for your family is important, but I don’t think that having one parent stay home all the time is necessarily the best for all families.
Studies have shown that there is no measurable difference between how kids with a stay-at-home parent feel about their families, and how kids with both parents at work feel about their families. What makes a difference is QUALITY of parenting. Make the most of every second you have with your child.
There’s something to be said about managing your time and money to maximize time with family. But I also think there’s something to be said for showing your kids that work and family can be balanced. I would never stay home, partly because I love my career and want to show that passion to my kids, and partly because I want my future daughter to understand that she doesn’t have to choose between work and family. That’s a lesson that I think many kids with a stay-at-home parent don’t necessarily get.
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I hate to say it, but once the kids are in school they’re spending more time with the teacher than they are with parents anyway. If I’m ever blessed with kids, I’m hoping I can work part time when they are really little, then try to keep the same hours they do when they’re in school.
Perhaps that’s a pipe dream, but I’m structuring my career to allow for some flexibility.
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Elizabeth said what I wanted to. I was going to ask if all these critics of daycare also homeschool their children?
I can’t remember if it was this blog or another, but I once read a comment that children need their parents most during adolescence. So if you’re serious about “being there” for your them, that would be the best time to be a SAH parent. Makes sense to me.
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I would have gone insane if my mom were around all the time. Especially in high school/junior high.
And I mostly wanted as much time outdoors playing with friends before that.
Despite that, my parents were great. If I needed someone to talk to, some support, they were always there for me. And that was and is more important than having someone constantly hovering/around.
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My parents stayed home (both of them) while I was a kid, but they both had outside the home jobs until I was about six. I feel like I was reered on both ends of the spectrum, and I don’t think either way is ideal. As a young child, my brother started to call my grandma ‘mom’, and I have very few young memories of my father.
On the other hand, I had no privacy at all once my parents started staying home, and they monopolized my time. “family time” was more important than spending time with friends, so I never really had friends over, because it was always family time.
I love my parent so much, but there was no Right Way. Some things about work/daycare raising suck, and some things about staying home suck. Kids notice what makes their parents happy, so if you want to work, do so, and if you want to stay home do that. To me this debate is a non-issue, quantity of time with your kids is not equal to quality time with them.
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I have to completely disagree in working instead of staying home while the kids are young. Growing up my mom was with us all day everyday and I would be more than willing to sacrifice any money she would need now because of the great blessing I got with her being a mom. If your plan is nothing more than daycare, don’t have kids.
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I respectfully disagree. I have two kids (6 and 18 months). I work full time and my kids are in school and/or daycare from 7:30-5:00 every day. I am a great mom and they are happy and well-adjusted. I know for myself that I would not be nearly as happy if I was staying home full time with them. I think it’s entirely unfair to make a blanket statement that you shouldn’t have kids if you’re just planning to put them in daycare. Really, more than anything else, this is not something that anyone else can dictate to another family. I don’t work because I need money to buy my kids ‘stuff’, I work because I love my job. That doesn’t mean I don’t also love my kids.
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So because my parents both worked, they shouldn’t have had me? Really? This attitude is pretty terrible. My mother actually did something with her life besides just raising her kids, and she was no less a mom than yours was.
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I’m sorry, but it’s beyond stupid to believe that you know what is right for every family based on what worked for you.
I could just as easily argue that stay-at-home parents are often resented or taken advantage of by their children. I see that happen quite a bit. Kids know when you rely on them for your self-worth because you have no career or purpose outside of raising them. By that token, it would be much better to have a job outside of your children.
I wouldn’t argue that, however, because that wouldn’t be true for all families. It’s been the case for many of the families I’ve seen, but not all. Some families do great with a stay-at-home parent, and some do great without one. Everyone makes their own situation work. No need to be judgmental because what works for others may not be what works for you.
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jess @ 11 November 2011 at 11:57 am
Your comment (“My mother actually did something with her life besides just raising her kids”) deeply offends me, enough so that I’m commenting for the very first time. My mother was raised on a farm. Her father died when she was 11. She dropped out of school to help support her family at the end of 8th grade. Later, she was a stay-at-home mom, raised 4 kids, and other than volunteer work at school, did not have a career. She was one of the most well-read and brilliant women I’ve ever known. I am insulted that you imply “just raising her kids” isn’t enough. I quit my job to take care of my mother during the last year of her life. It was the least I could do even though, you probably think I was “just taking care of my mother.”
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“It’s no longer about you, it’s about the helpless human being you’ve brought into the world who depends upon you for everything.”
The fact that it allegedly takes kids to bring about this shift for so many people is one of humanity’s major challenges.
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I think you’re totally right JD in that a lot of parents (or potential parents) get caught up in what they think their kids ‘need’. As long as they are well fed and have a roof over their head what they really crave is parents attention.
One thing that my wife and I talked about a lot before we had kids was you can always make excuses for not having kids (friends wedding, job promotion, moving house, not enough money) and if you’re not careful you could keep doing this until its too late. If you’re emotionally ready I would say do it and you will figure out someway to pay for all the stuff the child needs.
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As a fellow “early thirties” woman, I say go for it now. The part people always forget is that it takes a long time from start to finish (so to speak) from the time you decide to try for a baby to the time the baby is born. Even if you get pregnant relatively quickly, it can be 3-4 cycles (months) plus the baby will be growing in you for 9 months. That means it could easily be a year or more from now before you child is born. If you are emotionally ready now, you have time to work out all the details long before the birth of a child. We have encountered many fertility obstacles with having a second child (no problems with the first- this seems to be a common problem among my friends) and it makes me wish we had started earlier.
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You might not want to fully count on that extra nine months to get ready. Pregnancy affects women’s bodies differently. I spent six months of mine in bed on tube feeding with a home health aid checking in every other day due to “morning” sickness that never let up. I could not possibly have held down a job during that time. On the bright side, I never did have to worry about losing the pregnancy weight that most women complain about.
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I agree with Melissa. We delayed having children until we could afford it and now we’re struggling to conceive – and my biological clock is ticking. It probably wouldn’t happen to you, but it does happen to some people.
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My husband and I got married in our later 30s. We decided not to have kids right away, since we weren’t “ready”.
If we knew then that we’d be spending thousands of dollars in infertility treatments, and enduring years of disappointments and life “on hold”, we’d have had kids “right away”, or at least not waited.
The main thing is to have good health insurance, and having a flexible work schedule is a plus.
It wouldn’t hurt to have your hormone levels checked out (like FSH) IF you don’t get pregnant within 1 year.
My advice is: don’t wait any longer. 5 years of marriage is perfect. You’ll never be more ready.
Good Luck!
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I completly agree w/ Melissa. I’m about to turn 34 and was married at 31. DH & I have been trying for 10 months and I always assumed it wouldn’t take so long. We’ve had the full fertility workup and everything looks great. Plus, I’m a healthy weight, eat 60% organic food, have been on prenatal vits for the last year, chart my temp/CM and use OPKs. And it’s still taking forever. Andi – you may assume you’ll get pregnant right away, but I wouldn’t count on it. The most important thing is that you’re emotionally ready and ready for the time commitment of having a child. You’re in a relatively solid place financially, although you could be a little more stable work-wise. In terms of finances, the most important thing is to be sure you have solid health insurance coverage. Other than that, go for it!
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I thought you were going to say ‘from conception to graduation’. LOL. But yes, from deciding to try to giving birth feels long too.
Still… it is worth thinking about how old you’ll be when your child turns 18, or 21, or gets married themselves.
I’ll be 40 when my daughter is 18. I’ll be (she hopes) a grandmother before I’m 55. One of my good friends on the otherhand is pregnant with her first. When she is 55 her child won’t have graduated highschool yet.
I can’t even imagine dealing with that!
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A decade ago when I had two teens in HS and a $654 car insurance bill, I would have signed up for retroactive birth control! BUT…
NOW that I am 53 and have two married, self-supporting sons and two grandson, I am glad I had kids in my early twenties, within four years of graduating from college.
And boy howdy do they EVER think that their Dad and I have gone up sixty or so IQ points since they were kids! Nothing like becoming a parent to make you appreciate your own and their sacrifices.
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I don’t have kids, but speaking as a former teacher I agree with J.D. that it’s time, attention and love you need to worry about. I’ve worked with kids from all income brackets and once the basic necessities are met, what children from parents, extended family, friends and the community makes a huge difference. Money can’t buy you any of those things.
You don’t have to be able to afford all the latest clothes and toys — in fact, it’s probably better if you can’t.
Also, speaking as someone who may have to worry about adoption costs, I think if you can have kids the usual way, you’re already ahead of the game. It scares me that I may have to wipe out a good portion of my savings just to have a child. I’m not say that for pity — don’t need it — but rather to offer some perspective.
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Another non-parent and never-wanting-to-be-one here. Andi and her husband are currently going through a life-changing process already with the new job options. I would suggest to them to wait and see how they like it, before starting with kids.
I am pretty sure that they can wait one more year before starting to have kids. Fertility rates go down with age, but not that much between, for example, age 35 and 34. If you can’t conceive at 35, you probably couldn’t at 34 either. (Infertility rates go up with 1% per year when you’re 30-35 – so there’s 99% chance that waiting one year does not make you infertile).
Also, please consider that you are going to give up on a lot of options by choosing this one. Sure, you always do (choosing one thing often means not choosing the other), but you cannot un-have a child; while you can reverse a lot of other choices, completely or partially. So also use that year to re-evaluate your wishes. And use it to save up some more…
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Probably could’ve skipped that last paragraph.
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Children come with a no-return policy. What’s wrong with pointing that out?
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It’s a valid point. Not that this is the case here because it sounds like a child would be planned for this couple, but I know several mothers who got pregnant, decided to keep the child because they felt bad about the alternatives and now have children that they don’t like.
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As a mom of two, I also think it’s a valid point. I’m currently reading a book called Steady Days about being an intentional parent. The author talks about approaching parenthood with the professionalism that you would approach any job. In one section she says, “being a parent is a life long job. You should strive to do your best at it because you can’t hand in your resignation papers”. That part really stood out to me and I think it’s something that people should think about before having children.
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Didn’t you keep your recept?!?
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Left the receipt in the instruction manual. Can’t find that either.
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We had our kids when both of us were in our late 20′s and I strongly believe that parenting is a young person’s game. A baby can mean weeks of sleep deprivation and a 35- or 40-year-old is going to wear down much faster than a 25- or 30-year-old. Then you’ve got the almost-daily high-speed chases when the little darlings start walking and of course all the emotional drama when they hit adolescence many years later.
Having a baby when you’re 35 means you’re 50 when they hit the teen years and in your late 50′s when they finally become adults. That’s quite an age gap.
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I guess not everyone got the memo that life ends at 50. *eyeroll*
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Speaking as a 58 year old woman who has been going thru a very hard menopause and post menopause time, I would want to kill myself if I had to deal with teens and this at the same time.
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There is never a “perfect” time to have kids. You will always feel you don’t have enough savings, enough job security, or enough time. Have them earlier in life and you feel like you aren’t as well off financially. Have them later and you don’t have the energy that you used to to do everything you wanted to. If you want kids, you just have to take a leap of faith, and then you figure out how to make it work.
That said, the career choices you are contemplating seem ill suited for parents. Your husband has a job with low job security and you want to switch to freelance/part-time work. If you live in the US, that means you are at high risk of having no insurance and potentially both of you struggling to find work. The first few years of a child’s life involve a lot of routine doctor visits, and unfortunately also tend to involve a large number of unplanned emergency visits as well for colds, infections & the occasional tumble that ends up requiring stitches.
When my son was born, I realized I needed to leave my field. The industry was not family friendly–it wasn’t even really “human friendly” as it usually required 80-100 hour work weeks. It also rarely offered insurance. My solution was to shift careers into a field that was more accommodating. You may choose to remain in a higher risk field–many people do–bur you will have to weigh whether the satisfaction you get from your work is worth the stress of living with the very real risks. It’s also important to realize that it’s hard to know what challenges you will face. Our son is special needs and requires a ton af doctors visits & therapy, our friends have huge demands on time bc their son is a gifted & promising athlete. And another friend had to unexpectedly move to a new school district after the principal told her that they could not guarantee that her kids would be safe at school. (She could have stayed put & tried to fight within the system, but moving was the only way she could feel secure about them)
But, as cheesy as it sounds, parenting is definitely an amazing experience if you want to take it on. While it is exhausting and costly, the emotional rewards are immense. It’s something that you can’t explain to someone who doesn’t have kids, simply bc there’s a huge mental shift when you go from mostly considering your own needs to suddenly being responsible for the health and happiness of another. If you do choose to have kids, I wish you much luck and happiness!
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I don’t think you have to buy them the latest fashions but I hear Pampers add up to a lot, so money is necessary.
Also, I want to be able to provide good food and nutrition, good medical care, safe shelter, and a good education– the problem with a good education is that it’s not always available to all and you have to pay for it yourself, whether you pay for a private school or extra lessons or you quit work to home school them.
Also, the time you spend with them is most important, yes? But if you are struggling with 3 minimum wage jobs or are getting foreclosed and can’t find a job I’m not sure you”re going to have a lot of “quality time” to spare. Financial instability is a huge source of stress; financial instability when you have mouths to feed is a nightmare.
Which is why my wife and I are not having kids just yet: we still struggle and we don’t want to play roulette with a child’s life and we don’t trust the social safety net should something bad happen. We’re working on building a solid base for our future though.
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I completely agree! I am a parent of 2 girls now ages 22 and 18 and having been through most of the typical “parenting cycle” (not that it will ever really end
I can say from experience that you don’t have to be buying them the latest fashions and toys for them to cost money. If they are anything other than the average for your school district you will end up paying for supplemental education – music, sports, tutoring.
Most parents in the US need 2 incomes to survive. If you work full time you will need to pay for childcare. Even if you work from home you will need to pay someone to look after them while you are working – you can’t concentrate on work and take care of kids at the same time. This gets less over time, but then you have to deal with other expenses.
Medical expenses are huge. My youngest was in the hospital for 3 weeks at the age of 2 weeks. Without insurance we would have lost our home – the hospital bill alone (without physicians) came to $300K. My personal opinion is that, in the US, unless you have a situation that provides a reasonable expectation of stable health insurance, having children is probably not a good idea. It is simply not fair to the child. (Of course you could always move to somewhere civilized like Canada where healthcare is a human right – not a fungible commodity – but that’s another conversation
Then there are college costs – another topic discussed at length in other posts on this site. Can you afford to save from day 1 for whatever post-high school training that your child may need? – because they are going to need something, even if it is not a 4 year degree.
El Nerdo is correct when he talks about stability. Stability and security are incredibly important. Of course children have to know that they are loved and respected – but to me, providing a stable and secure environment in which to grow is a sign of that love and respect. I think that’s one of the questions to ask yourselves as you contemplate this life-changing decision: If I bring a new life into this world what sort of life do I want to provide?
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Anonymous’s reply is spot-on.
Do not ask yourself if you have enough money to become parents. Ask yourself if you are now responsible enough to become parents.* Can you provide for basic needs? (Basic needs include health care and decent schooling, meaning they’ll be safe from bullying and/or crime.) Can you devote the time and attention children need? Can you accept that your children will be their own people, not carbon copies of their parents and not projections of their parents’ desires? Are you in it for the long haul, because you’ll be a parent for the rest of your life?
If Andi is thinking about whether they’re ready to become parents, that shows responsibility. The worst ones are the people who have kids without a blind thought.
Regarding time, my mom friends and I came to realize that, for a couple raising a child, 60 hours TOTAL work seemed to be the maximum that works. That means one person can work 40 hours and the other 20, or both work 30 hours, or one work 60 and the other none (this last one’s not recommended though). As soon as the combined working hours of both parents went above 60, family life suffered.
* I am NOT implying that people who choose to remain childless are irresponsible; far from it! I am saying that the need to put the welfare of your children first becomes paramount, and that requires a sense of responsibility.
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I think you can go a little bit up once the kids are all in school (my husband and I are 45-55/30, so there’s always someone available after school, and it’s fine — minimal commute helps!) but I like the idea of your rule of thumb. Definitely seems right for preschoolers and younger.
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Yep. Time costs money, so if you want to have a lot of time with your kids you have to be living below your means to start with.
I would say, if you think you’re ever going to be able to swing it, get to the point where you can meet your most basic needs on one salary, before you have kids.
For me, pregnancy was debilitating – I could barely function the first five months, then I was on bed rest for the rest of the pregnancy, then I had a high-needs preemie. If we’d been dependent on my being able to collect my whole salary through that, we would have ended up in the street. When our son was in NICU, we met one family where the mom had a heart attack during labor, leaving her partner working full time, then visiting his wife in ICU, then the baby in NICU late at night, because he couldn’t afford time off.
But even if you don’t hit the worst-case scenario, small shifts in plans in early childhood are expensive. Say a friend is going to keep the baby on the cheap, but then she decides to go get a real job after a few months – infant day care here costs more than our mortgage.
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Were you an older mother to begin with?
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I guess maybe you’re just curious but this comment was really UNCALLED for! I have plenty of young friends who are in the prime of fitness who have had difficult pregnancies
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I thought it was a reasonable question. My wife and are are in our early 30s without kids. It seems like everyone I know loves to preach about how horrible it is to wait for kids and complications from pregnancy are one of the main concerns.
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I was 32, but it wasn’t really relevant to the pregnancy complication I had.
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Jesse, the answer really is, “mileage varies.” I was 34 when I got pregnant with my first (and only) – DH & I agonized for nearly 2 years about whether it was the right time to do it. I’d heard tons of horror stories about how long it takes to conceive. Time for me to conceive after we made the firm decision: 17 days. I did have some blood sugar problems late in pregnancy (just had to watch my diet, no insulin needed) and a long labor, otherwise no complications.
What makes the most difference, IMHO, is the history of conception and pregnancy in your wife’s family. In mine, the women are either entirely infertile or pop out kid after kid with no ill effects if birth control isn’t used. I spent my 20′s working hard to avoid pregnancy until I wanted children. Thank God for the Pill.
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Many many pregnancy complications are caused by an undiagnosed or undermedicated thyroid condition.
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My wife and I are a tad different in that we are adopting, which means we are in the process of saving the $20,000+ for an adoption. However, with tax credits, we should get most of this back, and then we can use those funds to support our child. However, it has been difficult making the decision to finally pull the trigger. You are right though, spending money on kids is not nearly important as actually spending quality time and attention on your kids.
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Adoption costs vary a lot. If you are willing/able to adopt a child through your state system (that is, get a child who has been in foster care), it costs nothing. In some cases, the state will actually provide you a subsidy.
We adopted our first son at age 6 weeks. The adoption was almost entirely free, because our end of it was “SWAN” (the Statewide Adoption Network). He actually came from a private adoption agency , though, and so we paid a few thousand at their end.
We adopted our second son at age 13. He has mild ADHD, which allowed the agency to classify him as “special needs”, so we get about $700 each month to help out with his care. That’s what we’re using to fund his college savings account.
Adoption CAN cost a lot, but it doesn’t have to.
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Do it. You’ll be fine.
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There is no one answer to this question. Just like there is no perfect time to have kids. My husband and I planned and saved before having kids. I was 32 when we had our first. We had a happy and stable marriage, stable careers and a nice cushion of savings. Then I was laid off when I was 6 months pregnant (I worked in advertising and the tech bubble burst). I ended up being a stay at home mom for a while which I had in no way planned for or expected to do. Our vision of what our life was going to be like and what ended up happening ended up being radically different and there were major life changes that had to happen to make it work. But you know what…it worked out just fine in the end.
I am not advocating having kids with no plan or with an “it will all just work out” attitude. However, life is crazy sometimes and throws things at you that you simply don’t expect. You can not plan for every single possibility because you honestly can’t even begin to imagine all the wide variety of things that might (or might not) happen to you and your family in your life.
You have a nice financial cushion and you are both on the same page about wanting kids. You have career plans and other options if for some reason those plans don’t work out. Honestly, I am not sure that it is possible to be more prepared than that short of winning the lottery and suddenly becoming independently wealthy. And, really, that would present an entirely new set of unexpected challenges anyway.
Go for it and good luck!
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I agree. My husband and I married at age 28 after we have gone through college and established careers. We had our first child a year later, much sooner than we had planned, but it all worked out. We now have four kids ages 9 to 19. It’s not always easy, but our life is never boring. While I know I could have stashed away more in my 401K had I not had kids, I can’t imagine my life without them now.
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This was almost exactly my situation — I was three months pregnant with my first when I got laid off.
Luckily, we had my husband’s health insurance — which is the one thing that I also would highly recommend having before planning on adding a baby to your life. Oh, and make sure you have a plan to keep a roof over your head and food on your table.
Otherwise, the commenters who say there is no good time to have children are exactly right.
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You’ll be ready for kids financially when this statement reads right to you: Plenty of poor people have lots of kids.
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My wife and I are in a similar situation. We have a few student loans left, but we were ready to start a family, so we did. My wife is due today with our first child in fact.
We decided to start because our debt is almost gone (and will be soon), and we didn’t want anything else standing in the way of having children. We will live off of my salary; my wife will be a stay at home mom. That means a lot less money than what we had been living on, but again, it’s what we feel is best. As JD says, you have to do what works for you. We were ready, so we started our family and I could not be happier.
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Congratulations!
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This is something we’ve been thinking about recently, but from a slightly different angle: we’re hoping to adopt.
We’ve not started the process yet but know that the social workers will want to know about our finances. From reading forums, I’ve heard of people with minimal savings (a couple of thousand) who were halted in their tracks and other people with large debts who got the ok. There is some variation between adoption agencies but the consensus seems to be they’re less bothered about whether you have debts or savings right now, and more interested in your general attitude to money. If you have debts, have you got a manageable plan for paying them off and staying out of debt? If you don’t have savings, how will you come in a money-draining emergency? Someone is usually expected to take a year off work to care for the new adopted child: how would you cope with that with debts/without savings?
I think these types of questions are as applicable to people wanting to spawn their own offspring as people wanting to adopt. It seems less about the figures as the state of mind – as JD says, people on good salaries can sink, people on a pittance can thrive.
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We just adopted a newborn, so I have the new parent perspective. I agree with #5. Get settled in your new life for 6-12 months, and then go for it! Check your health insurance policy to find out what expenses you would be responsible for (or how long you need to be in the new job before you become eligible fr health insurance), check with your county for average daycare expenses, make a list of other expenses, and start setting aside money directly for it. You will also see how the decision to have kids really will affect your life, and you will be more prepared if something unexpected happens (medical complications, etc). The dollar amount you come up with may be daunting, but remember that there are tax deductions and credits related to having children that ultimately offset some of the cost. Some people say that personal spending in other areas will automatically go down when you have a child to take care of, but that is not necessarily true.
We adopted because we found out we are not able to have biological children. It would have been far easier and cheaper to go the typical route. But, the only options we had to us were a form of invitro that would have cost $15-20k (not including prenatal and birthing expenses) and only have a 35% chance of working for us. Our adoption will have cost about $13k, but there is currently a $12k tax credit available. Most adoptions cost 2-3 times as much as ours, though.
As far as weekly child-related expenses go, our childcare (at an in-home daycare facility) will be $129/week. Formula is about $25/week. Diapers, $10 week. Our baby is only a month old, and the first month’s child-related expenses was close to $400, which does not include daycare expenses. Much of that was stocking up on diapers and formula, though.
Money is not the only thing to consider. It sounds like you are doing pretty well financially, and you are steps ahead by asking these questions now when you know you will have at least 9 months (if baby goes full-term) to prepare.
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Congratulations on your precious new bundle, and finding a way to make your wish of becoming a parent come true!
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Re-reading this post this morning, I realize that I was so focused on stressing that money isn’t the only thing that I forgot to mention that it is expensive to have children, and that your financial position absolutely should be a consideration.
Yes, take money into account. And do your best to prepare for the arrival of children, to take care of their needs. But recognize that you cannot buy a happy child. That takes more than money.
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You are right – children are expensive and mine is 24 now. She has cost me money. She has cost me time. She has cost me career choices. She has cost me freedom to do whatever I want, when I want, and with whomever I want to do it. I even have to buy hairdye to colour all the grey hair I’ve gotten!
On the flip side, because of her I have built an igloo and slept in it. I have seen places and done things I would never have done before. (Like geo0-caching and orienteering) I’ve learned from her and because of her. She has helped me to grow up and forward in my life.
No one is guaranteed children (I struggled with 7 years of infertility so I know this first hand) but those that we are gifted with are blessings indeed. Worth everything! (And with the right and responsible choices we are learning to make – not that expensive!)
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-Never a perfect time
-You’re emotionally ready- time to do it soon!
-You’re not getting any younger- do it soon while you don’t have to pay for conception.
-Our goal was to have $10K set aside in an emergency fund prior to kids. 2 major health issues with kids later, we are still afloat. It all worked out.
Best of luck!
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When do you know you know when you have enough money to have kids?
The answer is you don’t know. And you can’t know.
There are so many unexpected things that can happen during pregnancy (you get put on bed rest and can’t work), during childbirth (an unplanned c-section) or afterwards – you have a child with special needs that require surgery or therapies…
And that’s on top of all the normal “kid stuff” like diapers and food and clothing and daycare.
You should never ask if you have enough money to have kids. You should ask if you have enough time and love to give a child.
Because if you have enough time and love to give, you will find a way to make it work financially.
I’m proof. We’re a single-income family, with a child with autism and a set of twins (one which needed speech therapy, the other physical therapy).
Every day is a challenge, emotionally, physically, and financially, but I love my three boys more than life itself and all of the work is worth every minute!
If you want kids, and you’re ready for the emotional side of parenting, then go for it. The fact that you’re asking these types of questions shows me you’re probably ready.
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I think that it is all in your expectations on what you will give your kids. If you expect to have them in the cutest outfits, latest gear, save for 100% of their college expenses and in a hundred classes, then you will never have enough money.
However, if you are willing to shop second hand, hang out at the library and live simply then most folks do have enough money for kids. My hubby and I make a good income but still choose to live this way. It is better for the kids and better for our financial future.
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My husband and I are in our late twenties and are trying to figure this out, too. Mentally, I know we have more than enough money, since we are currently saving more than 25% of our income. However, there is still that uncertainty, which I think comes from a lack of emotional readiness. Being a DINK is easy, but suddenly everything is different with kids.
Before you have kids, I think you need to be on a path towards being debt free, saving for retirement, and have an emergency fund set up. You don’t need to be rich, but just make sure you don’t go into debt or need to rely on others to take care of you financially.It sounds like you are already there, or pretty close.
The only problem with changing jobs to follow your dreams is health insurance. Plan ahead and look at your health insurance and get a ball park of how much maternity care will cost as well as make sure you will qualify for FMLA at work when the baby’s born. Have an idea for the max you will spend a year for healthcare in a worst case scenario, as a high risk pregnancy or a baby in the NNICU could wipe out your savings.
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“However, there is still that uncertainty, which I think comes from a lack of emotional readiness.” – that is extremely perceptive, and kudos to you for knowing it. In my own case, it was definitely true; was totally not emotionally ready in my 20′s, became that way in early 30′s, and had a child then – the right decision for us.
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Speaking as the parent of a 9 month old, kids don’t HAVE to be expensive. It’s true that there really isn’t a good time to have kids if you’re waiting on the $ to be flowing freely. However, I can say that there are definitely better times than others.
Given Andi’s information, they should probably wait until their lives are a little bit more settled. Move to the new town, see how the jobs are working out, find a place to live (rent or buy – which ever you feel comfortable with).
My husband and I waited 7 years to have our child. He was in the Reserves and was deployed twice during those 7 years, then he was working on his Masters degree. We made enough to pay off the credit card every month and even save a little but we didn’t feel stable enough to bring a child into the mix. Even though our child is a joy, she definitely through our routine into a tailspin! Being stable in our living arrangements and careers made that tailspin less damaging. And when we found out 2 months before she arrived that we’d need to move because of my husbands job? We were stressed, but not past the point of no return.
The baby years don’t have to cost a lot – you can use store brand formula (or breastfeed) and diapers (or use cloth). You can shop at consignment sales for clothing, toys and baby equipment. Craigslist is a great place to find gently used furniture, strollers, etc. Carseats are about the only thing you should buy new – and even those don’t have to be expensive.
Even daycare doesn’t HAVE to be uber expensive. Can you find a nanny to share? How about an in home provider? If one person is freelancing, can you work from home and watch the baby at the same time? If you don’t need daycare all the time, can you find a reliable babysitter who can step in in a pinch? If all else fails, remember it’s only expensive for a few years (while they are in diapers).
You can always limit activities to those that are offered for a low cost through your local community center. Kids don’t HAVE to take Karate, soccer, music, and dance – pick one and I’m sure the child will be happier anyway (studies show that kids don’t like to be over scheduled any more than parents!).
Be creative and remember that kids are only as expensive as you make them.
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As others have said, you are never ready. My daughter is three months old this week, and she wasn’t a surprise but we weren’t really planning to have her either. We certainly were not anywhere near where we wanted to be financially, so my wife is still working. But it has worked out just fine.
Also, she mentioned that they have $40,000 in savings? That is great! My guess is the majority of people that have kids have less than $5,000 in the bank,total.
Kids are expensive, but you can find a lot of stuff used on Craigslist or garage sales. We found the majority of my daughters toys and furniture used. Also we got a lots of clothes as gifts or hand me downs from family. The only major expenses we have right now is diapers, formula, and daycare. Start budgeting for them once you get pregnant. We would buy diapers on sale before she was even born.
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Not to derail the conversation, but having spent a good amount of time in infertility medicine- “the right time to have kids” is too often put off for financial reasons when biology will not wait. Fertility peaks at 27 and is on a slow decline for women after this age. “Advanced Maternal Age” is 35 and over and complications after 40 increase significantly. “Advanced Paternal Age” is often forgotten, but a lot of studies indicate 40 is an early cut off and 50 is generally considered higher risk. I am not saying that you should remove financial considerations, but I see too many upper income women put off child bearing because it’s “not the right time” or they’re in the middle of education/the prime years of building their career. It may never be the right time- so if you are sure you want kids (especially multiple kids) don’t wait too long. If you aren’t sure and you are willing to risk having to spend thousands of dollars on infertility treatments often not covered by health insurance, then wait away for that perfect day to come.
So there is a financial risk to waiting, that’s my point.
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I had a job that I loved when I got pregnant. We selected a day care and were ready to go. When I had my first son, I realized there was no way I could go back to work while he was a baby. It physically made me a wreck. We sold our house. I think my husband quietly resented me for a solid year because I changed my mind so drastically. Luckily it worked out where I could stay home. You do what you have to do. Personally I wouldn’t trade that year for triple the salary. I’m just saying, it doesn’t hurt to plan for a contingency. Have your baby soon, you’ll never regret it.
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Waiting until you’re in a financially stable place makes sense in the ideal world and I can totally understand it.
My wife and I are due to have our first baby at the end of the year and going down to one salary every month will mean we just about break even every month, which is a pretty scary place to be from a financial perspective if some unexpected expense crops up.
Fortunately, we live very frugally and have about 2 years living expenses saved up, so feel pretty secure, so I can definitely see the advantage of building up a bit of a nest egg.
That said, don’t wait too long, as who knows how easy it will be for you to have children. It’s taken my wife and I 4 years to get pregnant and we were only eventually successful thanks to IVF treatment, despite their apparently being nothing wrong with either of us.
So you could spend years tryig to build up a nest egg and feel you’re now in the right place to have a baby, only to then find out that, actually, it’s not going to be quite as straightforward as that.
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I became unexpectedly pregnant with twins right after college and have managed to make it work financially so far. The main things to consider when thinking about what kids cost are the medical costs associated with pregnancy and birth, which can be high depending on your insurance, the cost of either paying for childcare or losing the income of one parent, the potential cost of formula for the first year if you can’t/don’t breastfeed, and the cost of medical insurance for your children. Everything beyond that can be worked into your budget in frugal ways. Buy clothes secondhand or on clearance when it’s out of season. Invest a couple hundred dollars in gently used cloth diapers and you’re set for a couple years. Other than formula, kids don’t really eat enough to cost very much for the first few years. Toys are totally optional. My twins are almost 4 now, and I’d say that we’ve spent less than $1000 total on clothing and toys for them during that time, which is about two weeks of daycare or two months of health insurance.
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We have two kids (7 & 4). I agree with the time vs money idea. However, time is money. With kids you have less time to devote to your career which will mean potentially earning less. You have less time for yourself period. And kids still a roof over their heads (bigger house), clothes, food, medical care, etc. For example, we have a high deductible medical plan and had nearly $10,000 in medical expenses this year. No matter how frugal you are kids are expensive and you will need to make personal and financial sacrifices.
Is it worth it? In my opinion, yes.
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I think if you have a healthy emergency fund and have insurance, it’s fine. If you know for sure you can afford either to be a stay-at-home parent or pay for childcare, that’s probably better. That said… we have two wonderful kids now, and if we’d waited until we were “secure” we might still not have any!
In terms of stuff that goes with kids… they can be as expensive or inexpensive as you make them. There are options like cloth diapering that save a lot of money (and it’s not as hard as some make out!). Consignment sales have everything you might need for clothing and toys (and since kids grow so fast, the clothing is often as good as new!). Family and friends will give you toys and clothes too – most of what our kids have we didn’t buy!
We’ve had to make a lot of changes in our lifestyle (become a 1-car family, cut cable, eat cheaper foods more often, move to mostly-cash spending) – but I love having my kids, and I love that we’ve been able to MAKE it work so my wife can stay home with them. I work with people who make the same amount I do – and have a spouse who works – who still think they “can’t afford” kids. They can’t if they expect to continue in their current lifestyle – but their lifestyles are a LOT different than mine!
We’ve had our share of crises too – my 2nd daughter ended up in the NICU for a month, and as someone else mentioned, without insurance we’d have lost our house (NICU care is insanely expensive!). It’s been tough – it’s still tough – but we’re working through it.
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Despite what they tell you in high school, getting pregnant doesn’t always happen the first time. It might take a while… or it might not. We got pregnant right away, but it wasn’t in the right spot and required surgery to remove. Luckily, we were successful again right away, but some couples aren’t so lucky. We could still be trying. What I am saying is that our parts have a shelf life and sometimes, even during our prime the parts can malfunction.
However, I am not advocating to just go for it without some idea of how your finances will be affected. My situation – our first is due in February. We’ve paid off >40% of our debt and we have a small cushion of savings, both retirement and emergency. We’ve paid off everything except student loans and paid off all the medical bills that popped up this year with an emergency surgery and the cost of the birth. I would love to be debt free before having this child, but I also don’t want to wait until I’m 35 to start trying. We chose starting a family over buying a house.
So, I put together a spreadsheet, several actually. If my husband takes on occasional side jobs, we can just about survive on my income and still save money and contribute to retirement accounts every month. I estimate that we’ll be living on about $40K/year in the Northeast. He will be staying home with the baby. At 34, he’s ready for a career change, and this is a nice segue. I guess carpentry is less fun in your mid-30′s than in your mid-20′s.
Put together some actual costs of baby stuff after you decide what you really do need, maternity clothes (professional maternity clothes that don’t cost a ridiculous amount are hard to find), maternity leave (paid or unpaid), what you feel comfortable with having in an emergency fund, how your retirement contributions would be affected, etc. Don’t buy into the hype that babies need a lot of stuff. Your baby needs you, not 20 different cute little outfits or all brand new furniture. Most of what we’ve gotten for our baby is from craigslist.
I would also evaluate why you want to have children. Don’t start a family because it’s time or seems like the thing do to, like getting married right after college because it’s time and you’ve already invested several years together.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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I’m no expert on frugal living, and I’m not great with managing my own money. I *am* a nerd though, and what I lack in willpower, I make up for in tracking my spending.
I’m 28, and my wife and I had a daughter in 2008. She had a complex delivery, which required a surgical team to be called in in the middle of the night – all told, our hospital bill was about $42,000. Because we had planned to have a child, our insurance covered all but $2,500 of that. The rest was paid via our FSA, leaving only about $2,000 out of pocket for us.
Over the first year, we averaged an additional $200 per month in child-based expenses. These were mostly doctor visit copays, over-the-counter medications, diapers, and clothes.
Since then, we’ve averaged about $125 / month in additional expenses – almost entirely clothing now. There is some hidden cost for food there, but it’s hard to track because my wife went from working outside the home to working inside the home at the same time – we spend less total on food now than we did before.
Children *do not* need to be expensive. My wife stays home with our daughter, breastfed, and prepares two meals a day for the family. My personal recommendation is to focus much less on the financial aspect of starting a family and more on the time obligation. It is my opinion that one parent should be home with the children until at least age 5, and later if possible. YMMV.
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Don’t forget the substantial tax benefits of having children. Your standard deduction is increased for each child, plus there’s the child tax credit, and if your income is below a certain threshold, the Earned Income Credit.
The thing is, kids grow fast, so it’s easy to find almost everything you need for them second-hand. If you breastfeed, cloth diaper, and stay at home to care for the children yourself, the children will cost you next to nothing for the first few years.
The one thing that you can’t cut back on, however, is health care. If your income is really low, you can get free health care (including for mom during the pregnancy) through Medicaid. Otherwise, prepare to shell out big bucks.
I have more than a few friends who are waiting till everything is “just so” before they attempt to have children, despite being well into their thirties. I hope and pray that they are still able to have children by the time that they decide that everything is finally “just so.”
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Minor correction: the standard deduction isn’t affected by having children or not. It’s based only on being an individual, HOH, or married filing jointly. The exemption is what’s increased by having children.
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Thanks for the clarification!
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I could have almost written this myself, word for word.
For me, my concerns aren’t about the actual cost of having children (food, shelter, education), but the cost of working less, which we would want to do so we can actually, you know, see the kids sometimes, and the effect of that on our careers. We both really want to be around for our kids, and we both love what we do (and put in many years and accrued many tens of thousands of dollars of debt to be able to do it).
I think that ultimately you make your priorities work. Calculate your worst case scenario and see if you can survive on that. Make sure you have an emergency fund that can cover you till your lease runs out and you can always move to a cheaper place (or your folks’) if the worst were to happen.
Certainly, for the very poor or those in bad financial shape, having kids makes things much harder. But most of the people complaining about how their kids are bankrupting them are probably the type who would be complaining about money even if they didn’t have kids. I only say this because I’ve watched many friends have kids and those who managed their money well before were always able to adapt.
Good luck!
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J.D. I think your advise is very solid (and I agree) that time spent with your children is better than money spent on them. But I’m afraid you left a pretty gaping hole to actually discussing some costs of having kids.
Let me go ahead and preface that I also don’t have children, so most of this is conjecturing.
Most people want to give birth in hospitals or other medically trained facilities. This has a cost. Most soon-to-be-parents want more ultrasounds than what insurance cover, want to take Lamaze classes, or other special activities while being pregnant.
The couple needs to be aware that there are some very large costs associated with having a baby prematurely. NICU is not the local Best Western. Emergency c-sections are also expensive. If their family members have had experiences like these, building up the emergency fund would be solid advice.
Can the couple modify their insurance plan to help them cover the expenses of birthing a child? Are they on a high deductible plan and can switch to a PPO type plan (there is often only a small window of opportunity the year before to do this type of thing)? Do their employers offer health savings accounts (HSA) or flexible spending accounts (FSA) that they can max out to put aside money before taxes (and then spend after taxes!)? Can the couple look ahead to how much their insurance premiums would increase once having children and if that is something they can fit in their budget?
What about their vehicles? If they only have single cab pickups and motorcycles, they will need to lay down some cash for a vehicle appropriate for carting around that bundle of joy. How much does a child safety seat cost?
An easy trap to fall into is keeping up with the Jones kid-rearing style. Not every piece of clothing has to be brand new. If they are too young to walk, then do they actually need baby shoes? Kids grow incredibly quickly so dropping $50 per outfit that the munchkin will outgrow in just a few months might just be stretching that budget way too far.
Looking further down the road… Andi and her husband should consider education choices for their kids. What level of education do Andi and her husband have? Will they expect that for their children? Do Andi and her husband want to financially help their kids with college/technical school expenses (no is a perfectly acceptable answer)?
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Health insurance is the key. With my high-risk pregnancy, emergency C-section birth, and my son’s NICU stay, the final tally was something just under $200,000. My HMO was WONDERFUL – we paid out $200 because one of the neonatologists was out of network. That was it. But we got all the “this is not a bill” statements.
We had friends whose daughter was in NICU for nearly 8 weeks – I don’t even want to know what the final bill was. And most parents whose children need ongoing special care (intubation, skilled nursing, etc) end up on public healthcare assistance or stuck forever in whatever job they had when the baby was born if their insurance is good, because the costs are just staggering.
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Wow…not to get political or derail the conversation, but I can not read these comments on health care insurance/costs without being grateful to be Canadian. My son was born 9 weeks prematurely,spent 3 months in NICU and underwent 2 major surgeries (I was a student at the time he was born)…total out of pocket medical costs: $0.
I was able to complete my degree and went on to start my own business (again, without worrying about how to manage health insurance.)
The decision-making process(around when and how many kids to have)certainly is different on this side of the border.
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Totally. There are reasons your kids are more likely to be planned than ours are.
When my son was little, some of his health problems made his pediatrician suspect cystic fibrosis, and we seriously looked into transferring to a Canadian office of my partner’s company while we waited for the test results.
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I’m not sure people ever feel truly financially ready – I’m in a very fortunate position and am still worried about whether I can “afford” to get pregnant. I think in most cases, when you’re thinking ahead to actually ask this question, you’re probably going to manage just fine.
Having said that, there really is a tremendous amount of change going on in your lives right now. I think it wouldn’t hurt to settle into that for a while, build the best “baby fund” you can, and then dive in!
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I was surprised to see the very question we’ve been asking ourselves pop up this morning! My husband and I both have good jobs, we’re very conservative with our money, we have some student loan debt that we’re planning to pay off entirely in the next year or two. We’re not worried about the cost of stuff for the kid, because we’re not into fancy things. We’re hung up on the childcare costs (and my husband is a little hung up on the whole idea of childcare vs. someone staying home like both our moms did). We live in the D.C. area, and all we seem to hear from people with kids is how expensive it is, how long the waitlists are, etc. Essentially everything we put into savings now would go to childcare. Our current plan seems to be to save save save so that we have a large cushion when we do have kids. But I’d love to know more about the range of childcare costs and options.
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It was a shock for us in the DC metro; $1000 to $1500 (per child) depending on the provider or center you choose.
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My theory is when you’re ready to have kids, have them. Sure you shouldn’t be broke and hope the govt will help you raise them, but I know waaay to many couples who waited until the finances were there and then found themselves in the mid-thirties struggling to conceive because of whatever problem (and sometimes because of age.) Not much is more stressful on a marriage than a biological clock that’s ticking away quickly and an inability to conceive.
With that being said, when you have the first, follow up quickly with any others so they grow up, and leave the house, together. They you’re not spending your whole life with a child in the house because they are expensive! My oldest (7th grade) used to be happy with hand me downs and a stick. Once the peer pressure sets in (for him, it was junior high, for others it’s much, much earlier) it’s hard to make them wear hand me downs all the time. I don’t spoil him, but it’s getting hard to justify the “no cell phone” rule now that he’s in sports and going to away games on the bus which arrives back at the school sometime between 9-11 p.m. and I have to guess the time to pick him up. (Yes, we go to his games but there’s no telling where the bus will stop after each game! McDonald’s and 12 yr old boys is a deadly combination!) And just recently I purchased two shirts for him in a store that only a few years ago I would have shopped in for me.
So as far as how much money do you need – well that’s up to the parents. Every parent makes different spending decisions for their children. But it is an expense that, at first, you’ll absorb by not going out as much, etc. when the child is a baby. When they get older the expenses are more abundant.
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I agree. It depends on what type of parent you are. We had our first when we were in our early 20′s about a year after we got married. We were nearly as well off as teh couple in this entry and today, we are in a great financial place 3 kids later. You need enough money to pay for the birth and some cloth diapers (you could diaper a child from birth to potty training for under $250). Plan to breastfeed. Private insurance is high for a baby as well as daycare. These two expenses could run you around $1,000/month but if you stay at home with the baby and don’t need private insurance (see my blog for my current series on living without insurance) then baby will not cost much at all!
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My husband and I wrestled with the same questions. For us
-we looked at our budget
-made sure we had enough to contribute to our emergency and retirement funds after estimated child expenses (diapers,clothes, daycare)
-talked to daycares to find out what they cost (it varies widely)
-started trying to have a child
-I was almost 30 and it did NOT happen right away, took over a year in fact
-Um, the second one was a one month baby, so go figure
My final advice: get ok with uncertainty. Children ARE uncertainty and NOTHING will go exactly as you planned it! They truly are individuals and not just mini versions of you. Prepare the best you can, then get ready to adapt to change. I wouldn’t trade my life with my children for any amount of money!
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It was said, but I will say it again. There is never a perfect time to have kids.
The direct expense is one aspect but what I find even harder is the additional concern over about finances. When it is just you and your husband it is easier to adjust if/when you hit a financial rough spot. It’s not so easy to sell your home and move into a small apartment if unemployment hit if you have a couple of kids.
But aside from finances I would also say that age should be considered as far as your health and stamina in raising kids for the next 18+ years as well as retirement. If you think about it, if you have kids in your early twenties they will have moved out and be on their own before you are fifty. That gives you time to really prepare for retirement, travel while you still can, etc. I realize it is too late for that scenario, but the longer you wait the longer you start looking at funding college (assuming you wanted to) and retirement at the same time.
I had my kids in my early thirties and at 40 I am already dealing with loss of memory and loss of energy. It’s not a huge deal but I can see the physical and mental advantages of having kids while you are young. Just another perspective to consider.
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I completely agree JD. As a 23-year old my wife and I have discussed when we want to have kids. While we’re not exactly sure, we hope to have the majority of our mortgage gone, and no student debt either by the time we turn 30. This is our tentative date. Our early savings has been greatly aided by our rural lifestyle, so that has been a major factor.
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Now is the perfect time. You have 100k in the bank. I would guess most parents have almost no money at all. You’re in the process of changing your life already, why not go ahead and shoot for what you want? You wouldn’t want to spend all that time working on your new careers just to find out it’s not going to work with children. Figure them both out at the same time.
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How much do you NEED to have kids? Not a lot. You can afford clothes, baby gear, time off work but you might not be able to save as you should for the future.
And kids absolutely do not need the latest and greatest. It is absolutely true they remember the time they spend with you, not getting an iTouch for their 6th birthday (yes, I’ve seen it). The only things I bought new for my son were a car seat, crib and crib mattress. Everything else came from Craig’s List, garage sales, consignment and thrift stores. To this day, 80% of his wardrobe (he’s 6, so he still gets two new wardrobes a year at this point) is second hand. I do buy socks, underwear and his shoes new. Rain boots, snow boots and jackets are bought used.
Before having kids, I would make sure the questioner’s have:
- Superb medical insurance. Sure, many states have free vaccinations for all children under 18 but that doesn’t cover well baby exams (at least 8 in the first six months alone), sick visits, and possibly emergency room visits/ hospital admissions.
- Fully funded retirement funds
- Secure employment OR enough of an emergency fund so they have a cushion
- Child care. Even if one parent stays home or can work part time from home, they will still need child care for appointments, occasional dates, ect.
- Be able to afford those nasty surprises that always pop up when you own a house (if they choose to buy).
A word about the nursery: some say the nursery is for the parents. and to an extent, it is. Preparing a nursery may help a parent to be mentally and emotionally prepare for the child. The nursery is also giving your child his/her own space. But it doesn’t have to be expensive; it should be a clean, safe and pleasant room. And please give your child his/her own space, even a corner of the living room or the master bedroom. I know a woman who took “the nursery is for the parents” idea too far and keeps her baby in the pack and play jammed between the toilet and the wall in the windowless, second bathroom. Her child is nearly two years old and had never slept in anything other than a pack and play.
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“I know a woman who took “the nursery is for the parents” idea too far and keeps her baby in the pack and play jammed between the toilet and the wall in the windowless, second bathroom. Her child is nearly two years old and had never slept in anything other than a pack and play.”
I think I’ve seen that blog- very scary!
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That Wife! What a ridiculous example of motherhood.
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OK, the toilet is gross. I hope no one uses it. But there’s nothing wrong with sleeping in a pack n’ play. My son has a bedroom with a very lovely crib given to us as a gift. BUT, over the last two years, we’ve used the pack and play for very extended periods of time. I seriously think we could have used it as a full time crib. What’s the difference? It’s just looks.
If I had no money or really wanted to save every penny, I’d get a used a pack n’ play as my crib.
But I think there was some value to having a nice nursery. Nice spaces are soothing to me. I spent a lot of time in the nursery. But I could have easily spent FAR less. And I would not spend money I didn’t have for things like my lovely rocking chair or new dresser.
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I would argue that a separate room for a nursery is not a necessity. The risk of SIDS is shown to be reduced when the child sleeps in the same room as the mother. Also, if you’re planning to breastfeed, which is the healthiest and most economical choice for mother and child, it makes much more sense to have your baby in the same room, ideally withing arm’s reach, for middle of the night feedings. With this is mind, new families should be able to buy another year or two of planning and saving before upgrading to a larger apartment or house if there isn’t currently a a spare room available for a nursery.
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I was 25 when we had our first child and 27 when we had our second. There are a lot of factors that you should consider. Most importantly giving birth itself. The older you are when you chose to have a child, the higher the chances of there being complications in the pregnancy and problems with the child. Both of my pregnancies were high risk. My first child had to stay in the high risk nicu for a couple weeks after being born. Our medical bills were over 90000. I had/have medical insurance so I only had $2000 out of pocket to pay.
After that, We had to purchase special formula which cost $49 a can after insurance. at 2 cans a week. We did this for 4 months.
My case is an extreme case which also involved extra doctors appointments. (My baby is ok now)
My husband and I both work. We originally planned for me to take a 3 month maternity leave then for our baby to go to daycare. But I had to return to work and with our baby having special needs at the time, my husband ended up taking a paternity leave when I went back to work.
There are a lot of costs involved in actually having children that you should budget for. These include time lost from work, medical bills, new clothing for you… Then there are costs involved in raising the kids which may include child care, more time off work when kids get sick, children’s clothing, diapers, more food, bigger living space.
It may seem like a lot to handle, but there are ways to minimize your costs.
1)We currently have 2 children in daycare. We negotiated our daycare rates Having multiple kids helps in this. Also, businesses are starting to understand that you can always go somewhere else
2) My husband also changed his work schedule so that we only use daycare part time. This cuts our daycare costs in half
3) My family has a system for when new kids are born, we purchase all the diapers needed so the mother and father don’t have to worry about that.
4) We asked for samples of baby products every where we went. For samples that were sent in the mail, we had the samples sent to our house, and to the houses of family members. So for baby number 2, we didn’t have much formula to purchase
5) We connected with one of the formula manufacturers and received a discount on any formula that we purchased through them.
6)We purchased our high chair from a neighbor for $10 and used it for both kids then sold it for $15
These are the baby costs that we have incurred and how we’ve handled them. We still have a long way to go. But I think that having the children far outweighs the cost or the sacrifices. For example, if I didn’t have kids, I’d be driving a Lexus truck right now instead of my Toyota Camry.
I gave up luxury to create memories. Remember that you can always find ways to make more money and buy new things, but you will not always be able to have kids. And the older you are, the less time your kids will have to spend with you.
I say have the kids now and worry about money later. Just make a plan.
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I’ve been a stay at home mom for the last 15 months and I agree that if you wait until the perfect time to have kids you won’t have any.
By the time our daughter was born we had a pretty good handle on our finances and were able to put some money in savings every month. What I call our “lost job account” wouldn’t last us a full 6 months (which is our goal) but fertility has a limited window. I’ve seen so many people struggle to get pregnant that I wasn’t willing to wait anymore.
Since I stopped working it seems like we’re better off financially. We’ve paid off the car and my school loans. I think that the pressure of having only one income made us see where we could make changes more clearly.
I’d say get settled in your new place and then start trying!
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While it sounds like plenty of people are giving money advice, I would assert that health and maternity benefits might be the limiting factor for you.
If you are doing freelance work, maternity leave is whatever you can afford for your time. But your husband sounds like he would need official paternity leave benefits. Most places require that you work there for a year before being eligible for these types of benefits.
Also, you’ll want to make sure his work or your private insurance will be sufficient for your maternity care and hospital stay, and all the baby’s health needs. You can’t buy a discount doctor’s visit on Craigslist!
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Children are wonderful! I have an 11 month old daughter and in her short life, we have already experienced a job change and a big move cross country. What she needs most from us is love an attention; however, it is wise to sit down before you get pregnant and think about a few things. What do you think you will owe as a part of your birthing experience? How much do you want to spend on the nursery (furniture and necessities), how much time will you take off from work and what compensation will you have during that time? Once you know these amounts, save up that money. If you have to, start before you get pregnant. My husband and I try to live economically, but we still ended up spending around $2000 between the medical bills and the things we bought on our own (crib, dresser, breast pump etc…) Buy used if you can, but make sure that the items you buy used are still considered safe and have no recalls. The amount listed above doesn’t include my lost income for the 3 months I took off for maternity leave. I live in a place where I don’t get paid maternity leave and I am not able to get short term disability through my employer so I had no income aside from the vacation time I took. In the end, the money lost and the few expenses we had were more than worth it. Our daughter is a joy and a blessing and we plan to have more…although next time around, I will be setting aside money for medical bills during my pregnancy so I am not blindsided by them when they arrive and I am still exhausted from giving birth and nursing a new baby! Good luck to you!
One more thought…breast feed and cloth diaper if you can. Breastfeeding is FREE and MUCH better for your baby than anything else around. Cloth diapering has an up-front expense, but it will save you tons of money over the long haul if you go with a flexible system…just be prepared to do “loads” of laundry.
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I was at a staff baby shower several years before I had my son and after seeing all the gear my fellow teacher was receiving, I remarked that I would never make enough money to have children. The veteran parents laughed and said no one ever has enough money to have children. You just have them and make do with whatever salary you’re living on.
That has certainly been the case with our family. I quit my job to be a stay-at-home-mom and we have had to scale back on some of our luxuries and plans. But it doesn’t matter. We make do with what he have available to us and I’d have my son again in a heartbeat.
In terms of practical advice for Andi, my husband and I knew that I would want to stay home with our son, so the year before we were ready to start trying, we lived on just my husband’s salary and used mine to pay off a home equity loan and get ahead with savings. Andi could do that for a year to help her feel more comfortable with their money.
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My husband I became pregnant unexpectedly and it wasn’t the best time. However, we make it work. Babies and toddlers are surprising inexpensive, even with formula and disposable diapers. I think the key is to have a clear idea of what your health insurance will cover. Health insurance is a must in this situation. I had a very standard, run of the mill pregnancy and the medical bills would have sunk us if not for my excellent health insurance benefits. If the job changes described in the post means health insurance will change or even lapse, it’s important for Andi and her husband to figure out exactly what is covered before getting pregnant.
Young children only need clothing, food, and shelter. As long as all three requirements are met, everything else can be improvised. As many toys as my son has (gifts from family members, mostly), he was still happpiest as an infant with some tupperware and a spoon. They have no concept of “new” versus “used” or money at all.
Andi and her husband are much better off financially than my husband and I were when we became pregnant; I say go for it (once they get their ducks in a row with health insurance.)
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