Reader Story: Adding to Our Family Without Subtracting from Our Budget
Published on - November 13th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Mark is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. This seems like a natural follow-up to Friday’s reader question about when to start a family. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Mark shares stories of his family life at The Number Field. All photos in this post are from his Flickr feed.
The results were conclusive: we were pregnant again. It was December of last year; we had just put up a Christmas tree. We had discussed having another child, but didn’t expect things to happen quite so quickly. Having a baby can be expensive, but we did a good job managing the expenses with our first child and have tried to apply those lessons again during this pregnancy. My wife heads up our efforts while I play a supporting role. What we’re doing is nothing more than applying basic principles of frugality and conscious spending, so that our bundle of joy doesn’t end up costing a bundle of money.
Insurance: The Elephant in the Room
Going by the sticker price, the medical aspects of prenatal and maternity care have a steep price tag — easily into the tens of thousands of dollars. With our first child the only insurance plan available to us was good but not great, and the amount we paid was very close to the yearly maximum out-of-pocket allowance of $2000. To us this seemed like (and was) a lot of money, even though it was only about 10% of the sticker price. But because we knew the maximum in advance we were able to prepare financially. Also, even if there had been complications we would have paid about the same amount. The cost itself wasn’t the only painful part; understanding and keeping track of all the different bills and payments was another huge hassle because the hospital and each doctor bill separately, but we managed to pay everything on time.
My current employer offers a variety of insurance options. During open enrollment we weren’t sure that we would have a baby this year, but it was something we had discussed as a real possibility and we chose a plan that had excellent maternity and prenatal care at a low cost. That was our main litmus test, because we don’t have any other complications. Thus far we’ve paid only about $50 out of pocket for care, and expect our portion of the bill to amount to a few hundred dollars, including the hospital stay for labor and delivery. With so much covered by the plan, I expect that resolving the bills will also be much simpler.
For those who are thinking about having a baby, getting group insurance coverage of some kind should be a top priority. Freelancers or others who buy on the individual market would do well to find even part-time work with benefits; by many accounts, private insurance maternity coverage is a joke. There are ways to reduce the costs of pregnancy, e.g. by working with a midwife and giving birth at home or in a birthing center, but those options are still not cheap. If money is really tight, it’s worth looking into programs like CHIP. After all, having healthy infants and mothers is in society’s best interest.
The Baby Industrial Complex
Selling stuff to expectant parents is huge business. We’re a captive and easily frightened audience: a baby is definitely on the way, and it’s so easy to buy anything that might reduce the uncertainty. We don’t want to do anything wrong or neglectful, or somehow fail to provide for the child. If allaying that fear is as easy as trading money for stuff, sign us up!
The truth is that infants don’t need much beyond love, nourishment, clothing and a safe place to sleep. Keeping that in mind makes it easier to resist the baby industrial complex and satisfy our newborn’s needs within the constraints of our budget. When we want to buy something, we ask ourselves several questions — which are no different than the questions we ask whenever we’re working to be frugal:
Do we really need it? Do we need it right now?
One thing we discovered with our first child was that everyone has a different opinion about what is essential, and we didn’t need to rush out to buy anything until we felt the need for it firsthand. There are some things that we’ve gone without entirely. For instance, we use my waist-high dresser as a changing table. With a blanket and an inexpensive waterproof changing pad on top, it works well and the blanket and pad are very easy to clean.
We waited to get a baby monitor until our daughter was almost six months old. Living in a small two bedroom apartment, no matter where she was we always knew when there was even a hint of trouble or distress. We bought the monitor when we were on summer vacation, staying with family in separate rooms of a much larger house.
Although we have two cars, we’ve chosen to have only one car seat for our daughter. She rides in one of the cars most of the time, and in the rare cases where she needs to ride in the other car, we plan ahead and switch the car seat without a problem. Obviously this won’t work in many situations, for instance if both parents work, one drops the child off at day care and the other picks her up, but it does work for us, and we’ll use the same strategy with our new baby.
Is there a way to get this cheap or for free?
For things that we really do need, we try to plan ahead and acquire opportunistically. My wife has an ‘always buy’ price for diapers, about 60% off the regular price. She works the sales, coupons, and store offers pretty hard to get her price on a consistent basis. As a result, we always have a stockpile and never run out in the middle of the night. It’s an ongoing, small expense, but she’s saved us hundreds if not thousands of dollars this way. Right now we have a two month supply of diapers for the new baby sitting in the back corner of our closet, and they don’t even take up very much space.
Car seats and cribs should be purchased new, but almost everything else can be acquired secondhand. Since infants grow so quickly, used items usually haven’t been used very much. Clothes are a particularly good example — many outfits only get worn once or twice before they’re outgrown. We’ve had success shopping at yard sales and thrift stores, and keep in the know about consignment sales in our area — we’ve found that parenting groups usually put them on semi-annually.
Free is even better than cheap. Our friendship with families that have slightly older children has brought us lots of great lightly-worn clothes and still-good toys. We never openly asked for these things, but when the subject comes up we let people know that we’re open to hand-me-downs. Some of our daughter’s favorite outfits have come to us this way.
What are prospects for reuse?
Even before our daughter was born, we knew that we wanted to have more than one child. When possible, we chose gender-neutral color schemes for big-ticket items like her crib, stroller, and car seat. When pulling the infant’s car seat out of storage, I confirmed that it will look just as good with our boy in it as it did with our girl.
When we found out that this child was a boy, my wife went through the clothes she had saved based on the possibility of another girl, keeping only her favorites and preparing the rest for a consignment sale. She volunteered at the consignment sale in return for the opportunity to attend the sneak peek hour and get a first chance at everything else. When all was said and done, a significant number of our items sold so we came out in the black, even though she purchased a Pack-n-Play and several baby boy outfits.
We don’t always sell our used items; we also give freely to those who need what has outlived its usefulness in our family. We want to help others the way others have helped us. Not only do we feel good doing this, but we don’t have the room or the desire to keep stuff we no longer need. If we can’t think of anyone we know personally who needs what we’re ready to pass on, we frequently turn to freecycle. It always feels good to get a thank-you note from someone who took our freecycle offer.
The Baby’s Not the Only One
Our frugal baby preparations have one more key component. Life won’t stop when the baby comes — we’ll just have less time to take care of the rest of our needs while we’re in the break-in period for the new addition. We certainly won’t have as much time to worry about cooking our meals, and don’t want to increase our food budget with lots of expensive store-prepared meals, takeout, or restaurant visits. By preparing a little bit at a time, we’ve managed to stock our cupboard and store almost a month’s worth of dinners in our freezer without going over our grocery budget.
When we had enchiladas, my wife made a triple recipe and froze most of them. She looked up recipes that were known to freeze well, including black bean burgers. We tried them out, liked them, and froze a bunch. As a result, our grocery budget will probably be lower this month than it normally is, and when we do need something we’ll just go pick it up at the nearest store, knowing that we’ve already saved enough money this month to be able to fit in some full price purchases.
The Bottom Line
Having a new baby doesn’t mean the end of the world financially; it’s just one more element to add to the mental money dance that we all do, whether consciously or not. There are lots of parents with more experience than I have who will hopefully share their thoughts in the comments, but my top recommendations are:
- Get group insurance, because it’s worth it.
- Buy stuff you actually need or want, not stuff that you think you need or want.
- Participate in the second-hand market, both paid and free.
- Prepare as much as possible in advance, especially food, because the first few weeks after baby’s arrival are sure to be full of surprises and devoid of sleep.
Postscript
Our boy was born in August, one week past his due date but happy and healthy and loved by his parents and big sister alike. We’ve had success in sticking to the principles I laid out in this post. Our medical bills were a little bit higher than I had thought, because he needed to have a minor procedure done to fix a tongue tie which kept him from eating normally. Our total out-of-pocket expenses were still well under $500.
We’ve experienced what lots of people told us: that every infant is different, and it’s impossible to know what they’ll need in advance. Our daughter was always a good sleeper and enjoyed being in her bassinet and crib from an early age. This has not been the case with our son — at first he would only fall asleep when we swung him in his car seat. After a few days of that, our arms were pretty tired so we found a baby swing at a yard sale.
Our boy is almost three months old now, and he is beginning to laugh and smile and be aware of the world around him, starting with his own hands and feet. It’s an amazing thing to watch the first weeks and months of a new life, but having kids is tough and having two of them is more than twice as hard as having just one. There’s no reason to let money make it even tougher — with good, realistic planning, it’s possible to satisfy their needs on almost any budget.
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Fantastic article.
We never bought a change table and always changed our kids on the floor. Using a change mat meant we could change them anywhere in the house.
They can’t fall off the floor.
I recommend not buying things until you need them. As the author states – different babies are different. New babies don’t need much of anything, so you have lots of time to buy things like a swing if necessary.
I was an unexpected twin and spent my first few months sleeping in a drawer. And I turned out perfect.
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Congratulations! Inspirational story with a frugal flair. The last pic is a hoot. Enjoy your lovely family.
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We have a hand-me-down swinging crib in our family. My dad made it for my older brother, and it went round all of my parent’s friends, back to us for me to live in, and then over to a few more friends and relatives. My dad engraved little plastic plaques for each of the babies that slept in it with their names and D.O.B on.
It’s a cool little slice of social history. I am surprised how many people are closed to the idea of hand-me-downs when it comes to children. Children are gross and germy anyway, get toys/clothes secondhand, give them a good clean to get the old germs off, and then give them to your kids to re-germ
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I’ll add this about insurance and medical bills…you should look at them ALWAYS, not just when you have kids. I worked in the medical field, I’d bet at least 10% if not more are denied inappropriately AND I’d also guess most patients just pay the bill instead of questioning their insurance company. Good vigilance on this could (and for me personally has) meant thousands saved when insurance said I was due to pay (they ended up paying, and righteously so).
Because little ones are often in to the clinic so often, its easy to lose track of their bills on top of your own. Don’t!
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Thanks for linking to tongue tie! It’s not always diagnosed early, and can cause feeding problems that end up more costly (not to mention frustrating for all). My youngest was tongue-tied also, and got “clipped” at 5 days… She’ll be able to lick an ice cream cone when she’s a kid, but most importantly, she’s able to nurse…which over the year or two that she does, will save lots of $$ for formula plus potentially some medical costs…
Great story and tips, and congrats on your lovely family!
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Good to mention saving money by not needing formula! I assume the author didn’t mention that in order to not stir up controversy. But it is true that it is far cheaper to breastfeed than to formula feed.
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That really depends. If you are planning on working and pumping, you are going to have to spend at least $200 on pumping supplies, probably much more. Also, there’s storage bags, bottles (which of course you also need to formula feed), nursing bras, etc. etc. You can also have medical bills associated with nursing – medication for infections, pills to increase your milk supply. If you buy generic formula at Sam’s or Costco, you can get the cost down quite a bit.
I breastfed both my guys, but I wouldn’t do it again for the savings per se. There are many other reasons to consider breastfeeding. I still think I saved money by doing it, but it was certainly not without significant monetary costs.
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I agree with Jane. Most of the time, nursing is a huge money saver, but you have to factor in everything. The hassle and expense of pumping may not be for you. I had hormone issues and gained two pounds a *week* when I was nursing, so the 10 weeks worth of formula I saved until I gave up nursing wasn’t worth the 20 pounds I gained. Yeah, I know; I’m a freak
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Breastmilk is cheaper than formula but I have spent a lot more money on takeout food and other convenience items when I was breastfeeding as opposed to bottle feeding. Breastfeeding sucks my energy dry. When I give my babies Costco brand formula, I save thousands on cleaning ladies and takeout during the first year of life because I have much more energy to cook and clean.
Some women can breastfeed very easily after the first 2 or 3 exhausting weeks so the cost savings is obvious for them. For others (like me) it’s not a straightline comparison.
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We got most of our bottles (and some milk bags) through freecyle, and used the nipples we got at the hospital for a good long time. We also rented a pump. Fortunately, my boy was in day care where I could pump and walk it over to him, because we quickly used up our stash and never regained it. Still, it was a lot cheaper to rent the pump than to buy formula powder, as we found when I had to go on meds for an injury when he was 10 months old.
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Yeah… nursing does save $… I’m not sure where the question is. I did the math w/ my middle child. We had to hire a lactation consultant, buy a pump, etc since I worked and it came back that as long as I nursed exclusively for 4 months I was breaking even.
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No kidding! I’m still working on getting some bills fixed from july where both the doctor’s office and the hospital that did the labs billed me/insurance wrong. I’m sure they both would’ve gladly accepted my extra hundreds of dollars had I not checked everything thoroughly.
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Yes, when my older kids were babies, the insurance company invariably kicked back, for instance, a large portion of their vaccinations for us to pay. It said right there in the listings that these were covered “in full.”
So, I’d call and they’d explain that they likely weren’t covered and I’d say please look it up. They’d put me on hold and finally come back and apologize and redo it.
Over and over and over. :-p I always wondered what percentage of their (large) profits came from that sort of “we’ll bill you in our favor unless you notice and complain” technique.
I finally asked if they could flag the account to prevent me from calling nearly every visit to get them to do it correctly. I was told that that would “slow things down!” Ha! As though billing me and then having to redo it and send another payment to the doctor was so quick.
Of course that same person told me that “I don’t have a supervisor” and “there is no address I can give you to write to.”
[Happily we do have different insurance, but the carrier I talked about above was the very big one, with a color in its name.]
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Agreed, when my first child was born I kept getting bills from the doctors office and hospital and EVERY time I would call my ins company and 90% of the time either they had already paid it or the payment was pending so payment was not needed from me. I think a lot of people must pay these bills and it’s easy money for the doctors offices/ hospitals since they are being paid twice rather than calling to ask about it.
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We’ve had Blue Cross/Blue Shield in multiple states. In the generous state they were always screwing up the bills (but everything was always covered, except a copay, after we complained to fix it).
In this state where next to nothing is covered they don’t mess up, even though the copay + coinsurance situation is much more complicated.
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Thanks for pointing this out! My wife couldn’t make sense of the charges related to the tongue-tie procedure, so she kept asking questions until everything got worked out, and it cost us about $100 less.
It’s a systemic problem–there are many different insurance providers with slightly different parameters for what they cover, so doctors’ offices don’t always code things optimally. Our insurance offers unlimited ‘well-baby’ visits with no copay, but many others don’t, so our doctor routinely codes some visits as ‘monitoring’ so the limits don’t kick in too early–this meant that we paid some copays we weren’t expecting, and had to ask to get them to code all his scheduled appointments as ‘well-baby’ ones.
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I understand the advice about only using a new crib and carseat, but I do think this isn’t always the case. For instance, our baby didn’t want to be in his pumpkin car seat past four months. It was brand new when we bought it and we had goods friends who were expecting in a few months, so they ended up using it for a year. We just got it back and would use it with our third if we had a baby in the next few years before it expired. What’s the problem here? I know and trust these people. They would certainly tell me if the car seat was in an accident, and that is the only reason you shouldn’t buy a used car seat. And the best car seat is the one that is installed properly.
We also are using a hand-me-down crib on our older child. We had kids close enough together that we needed another crib before our oldest was transitioned to a bed. Our neighbor gave us their crib, which I believe has been handed down several times. We don’t ever use the drop down function and made sure that all the screws were in tight. As long as it is properly installed (which I imagine you would do yourself) and not recalled, what’s the problem?
Honestly, the crib we had handed down is much nicer than what we would have bought at the store. Nicer cribs have better hardware and last much longer. I would be worried about handing down the cheapest crib from Walmart or Target, largely because the hardware is screwed directly into the wood that could become stripped with time and re-assembly.
So, this is all to say, use your head and determine if you can try to save money on even those things. I almost think the constant call not to buy these things used is a CYA measure.
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Actually, due to recalls and changing safety standards people should be very careful about buying used car seats and cribs. Buying used is something I plan on doing should I be blessed with children, but I would do a little background research first just to be safe.
Ditto if you plan to sell. I’m not sure what the rules are like in the U.S., but in Canada sellers are responsible for the safety of the items they sell.
I’m all for buying used — just be smart about it
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Elizabeth, I think we are on the same page. I was more addressing the issue of whether or not the crib and car seat have to be new. The author specifically said the items should be purchased new, but I think they don’t need to be. If you buy something blind off Craigslist, you don’t know the item’s history, which certainly is a problem. But among close friend networks, people often share or buy these items, and it can be a great money saver. Of course you should always do your research regardless of whether you are buying something new or borrowing something used.
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If you know where the crib/car seat came from and how old it is then there should not be a problem. Our baby bucket is in like new condition, three years old with no accidents and is now being used by a very grateful friend who was laid off (saving her a fair bit of money)- same with our old crib.
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Haven’t ALL drop-side cribs now been recalled? (I get that you are checking the screws, which seems to be at least one of the reasons those cribs were recalled.)
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Either recalled or no longer allowed to be manufactured. Seriously – don’t use one even if it’s from a trusted friend. My husband and I continued using ours for a while since we thought the recall was overly cautious…until one day as I left my sleeping son part of the crib’s plastic siding broke off and hit me. Thank goodness it hit me! Otherwise I would have left none the wiser. Instead I investigated and discovered the crib siding was broken and so loose my son could get his head stuck against the mattress. The only solution was a to get a new, fix sided crib. The manufacturer generously shipped us one gratis and picked up the broken one. Our son slept in a pack n play until the replacement arrived.
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One reason these safety questions are so tough is because we live in a very safe world, so the risks are miniscule to begin with. Think of it as a reverse lottery.
I’m just making things up here, but let’s say that a new crib is ten times safer than an old one. That sounds great, but it probably means that there’s a one in ten million chance of an accident versus a one in one million chance of an accident.
The risks are real, but only noticeable when the available data is huge; recalls are issued after just tens or hundreds of accidents, and the US national birth rate is around four million per year.
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Congratulations on your beautiful family. You do have to be careful about recalled items when you buy used but things like clothes especially make so much more sense to buy used. And if you can buy things a year in advance at end of season sales, even better. I try to hit up the consignment sales at the end of the season to buy next year’s wardrobes. I would not purchase a used car seat either. I did offer our used seat on freecycle though since I knew it was accident-free and still a few years from expiration.
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Such a needed message. I have been really surprised at some of what my normally frugal friends suddenly think they “need” to have a baby. You’re right that most of this is about exploiting anxiety. And not only do businesses do this to you – friends do too, and there is an insane amount of people policing each other about being ‘good parents’ in their product choices.
I just wanted to add one more important resource for young families: FreeCycle. If you have a FreeCycle group in your area, you can offer and accept tons of free children’s gear. It’s frequently listed and for all the reasons cited in the post, there is lots of it. I just handed off some stuff to a woman who said she’d gotten almost everything for her 3 children on FreeCycle, and as soon as they were done with it, put it right back into the donation stream. Just search Google for a Freecycle near you – usually they are run using a Yahoo group email list.
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Congrats on the new baby!! I deployed a lot of those money saving strategies when I started a family. If a family member wanted to give a gift for the baby, I always asked for cash for the college account. When they are small they don’t notice that they don’t get a toy to play with or that they will outgrow quickly, and the cash, with compounding will go a long way towards helping them in the future. I’ve kept a list of who donated to the college fund and will let them know where the generous gift came from when they are headed off to school.
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Thank you! Right now, I am that family member and I had been thinking of making baby’s first Christmas present cash for his education. It’s helpful to hear from a parent that this gift would be valued. Right now I feel like I’m competing with everyone else to get him something meaningful and memorable.
I’m getting off the hamster wheel now
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Hi,
I like you am in Canada. If the parents are savy with their cash they may have set up a RESP for their child(ren). Unbelievable the free money the Gov. of Canada will give them as a grant for their children for contributing to this education plan
Your gift will go so far and depending on the babies families income it can add up and be substantial. Plus it can be used for so many other types of higher education and for other children if one chooses not to go to university/trade school etc.
When our children were first born we put all monetary gifts in an education account.When they were little and gifts of money were given for birthdays, Christmas etc. Iwould purchase something smaller they would have liked and generally they opened that gift infront of the donor of monmey. I told gift givers that the majority of the cash was goingto their university funds.
The third of my four children entered university this fall. Words cannot express the joy( and tears) that those children all expressed for this gift. They all said they had a hardtime remembering previous Christmas gifts but the gratitude was so overwhelming for the gift of “education”. Truly a memorable”family changing” moment when they got it about deferring pleasures for something later.
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Question for the writer: did you and your wife consider cloth diapers? What sort of calculations went into deciding to use disposable?
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A couple I know recently opted to go with cloth. They priced out various packages and then compared them to what diapers would cost per month — even factoring in sales or coupons.
I don’t remember the exact numbers, but I do remember that it seemed like a lot of money upfront, but the package would pay for itself in eight months. The package will do right up to toilet training, so they’re protected against any price increases too, plus they hope to use it for their next child too.
I think you have to crunch the numbers and it depends on where you live and what deals are available. (For instance, extreme couponing doesn’t work in Canada.)
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It sounded like the child was in day care fairly early, and many day care centers will not mess with cloth diapers, those that will are often more expensive. The upfront cost of cloth diapers can eliminate savings, especially if you go with a large stash of the expensive all-in-one types, and don’t have a place to line dry them. That cost obviously goes down depending on how many kids you plan on using that stash for. I personally go with the cheapest option – prefolds and covers. And, while this will horrify those that have just made their peace with buying used baby clothes, I have bought almost all my cloth diapers used off craigslist. I found a stash that will be all a newborn will need for at least 4 months for $10.
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After the kid has worn them, they’re all used
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Thanks for the question–it’s a good one. I’m a fan of cloth diapers, but the rule in our house is that whoever changes the diaper gets to decide what to put on. My wife is a stay-at-home mom these days, she prefers disposables, and she figures out how to make the expenses fit into our budget, so I don’t complain.
We have a supply of hand-me-down cloth diapers, which we used with our daughter until she got too big. For at least some of that time my wife was working, and I was the one at home making the diaper decision. I think it makes the most sense to do cloth diapers if you can commit to them fully–on the one hand, dirty diapers shouldn’t sit more than a day or two before being laundered, but on the other hand if you’re not exclusively using cloth diapers, it takes longer than three days to get a good-sized laundry load.
Thank you for the sentiment and I agree that it’s something parents should consider, but we just haven’t done things that way with this one.
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Thanks for the response! I like your calculations
I didn’t want to stir up controversy, but I think both feeding and diaper choices are potential expenses in having babies that folks don’t talk about much because of the other issues surrounding those topics. I do understand your wife’s point of view, and there’s a lot of thought that goes into these sorts of decisions.
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My frugal self really REALLY wanted to do cloth diapers, but in reality, neither my wife nor I could take it. At least the prefolds double as nice burpcloths and dust rags!
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I’m currently expecting our first child.
We are planning on breastfeeding and cloth diapers.
I’m also glad I live in Ireland and have free maternity care.
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Love the pictures! Just had to say kudos to you for sharing the wealth by donating items!
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I’ve never heard the term “baby industrial complex” but you are absolutely right about the obvious comparison. New parents really are an ideal clientèle. You have so much psychology working for you there if you are a sales person trying to tap into parental instincts.
Congratulations on the beautiful family you’re starting. Also, big props on all the planning you’ve done. I hope I’m as prepared as you were when I start with the little ‘uns.
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Every baby is different– mine had rash at the hospital, but when we got him home and put him in cloth diapers for a few days, it went away; never came back even when we switched to disposables, first for day care and then because his dad disapproved.
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Hey, congratulations.
Did you try cloth diapers?
They are the greatest invention known to man. Try Cloth diapers.
Your baby will love them.
Cheap, no diaper rashes for your baby, safe for the environmnet as well.
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Thanks for the suggestion! See the reply to comment 13 for part of the answer. Luckily, neither of our kids have had very sensitive skin, but I know that can be a real problem for some people and a strong motivating factor to find workable diaper options.
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The rash thing? Not necessarily! We started with cloth diapers and struggled with rash from day one, despite our best efforts with creams and frequent changes and adjusting laundry soap. We made it to about six months then switched to disposables; problem solved. Harder on the budget but easier on the people involved. Hard to put cash value on that.
Our cloth diapers were hand-me-downs and we passed them on, so at least they didn’t go to waste.
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Each child is different. With my first, a boy, we used cloth diapers with no rashes and no other problems. With my second, a girl, cloth diaper gave her a rash from day one. No creams worked some, but it wasn’t worth it when the pampers kept her bottom nice and smooth.
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Awesome article. I have employed a lot of these strategies, being 9 mos. pregnant with #1, and it’s nice to get more ideas for future babies. I got really hosed with insurance this time around and will be looking for group insurance as soon as possible.
Love the family photos!
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With the first one, how much did you expect to pay out-of-pocket? $2000 seems dirt cheap, especially when the full total was ~10x that.
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I’m not complaining–compared to the billed expenses it was cheap. Compared to our budget and income, it wasn’t something that we could just laugh at and pay without a second thought. We knew approximately what to expect in advance, and made a plan to pay for it out of our income and savings.
It is strange to me that the our expenses for the two pregnancies were different almost by an order of magnitude, just because we had different insurance providers. It’s not like our current premiums are much higher either–if anything, they’re a little bit less.
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Loved this article. Mark, thanks very much for writing it (and including the pix – your children are SO CUTE and the last picture made me laugh out loud!). Your advice is fantastic, especially about buying large-ticket items in gender-neutral colors, and about buying only as you need because babies are so different. For example, one of my friends had to buy and put child locks on everything because her son’s temperament was to explore and climb, whereas we only needed one on the cleaning supplies cabinet because my son’s nature is very reserved.
I would say some cribs are o.k. used as long as you check recall lists. We bought a secondhand crib with drawers that converted into a toddler bed and separate drawers at about half the original price, and it was one of the best investments we ever made. As a crib it weighed a ton and couldn’t be moved an inch, it was solid and sturdy as a rock, and with a new crib mattress and later toddler bed mattress, it was good as new. Bonus: our son, who hated anything new (a very challenging newborn!), accepted the toddler bed because he watched his dad convert it from his beloved crib into his new bed (this may be why he loves Transformers).
This article is also helpful for those wanting to gift new parents but may not know where to start – even if you don’t have (or want) children yourself, you can use the tips here to buy clothes or toys or other useful items at a discount. Diapers are always welcome, and the best new parent present I’ve both received and given is a pack of cheap washcloths from someplace like Target. (These 2 suggestions have the bonus of not making siblings feel jealous at the new baby’s gifts.)
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Congratulations on your new baby!
A word on used carseats; I would only use a used carseat if I personally knew the previous owners and could verify the carseat had never been in an accident. Even a minor accident can compromise the carseat in unseen ways. It’s worth the extra money to buy new to ensure your child stays safe in the event of an accident.
I thought all cribs with dropdown sides were under recall… there are adaption kits you can buy to fix the dropdown side and make it immobile. Yet another needless tragedy that’s easy to avoid. I don’t see the problem with buying a used “fixed-side” crib so long as it’s soundly constructed.
And yes, health insurance is the number one thing all new parents should consider. Also, as a woman, make sure your health insurance covers maternity; I have a close friend that didn’t realize her health insurance didn’t cover child birth until she was already pregnant. You never know what surprise expenses will come up, even with an “easy” pregnancy and healthy baby.
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I wish Mark had talked more about why he feels that individual maternity insurance is a joke. Insurance coverage differs so much from state to state and plan to plan that it seems impossible to make a blanket statement like that.
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My understanding is the riders for individual coverage can cost you hundreds of dollars per month, may have additional high deductibles, and sometimes they have waiting periods and require that you not be pregnant when you sign up for it.
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When we were looking at maternity coverage, the price difference was $1000 more each month for maternity with a one-year wait time. So, we had to pay $1000 extra for 12 months ($12,000) before maternity coverage would kick in, and then we would have to pay $1000 more each month thereafter. Assuming I got pregnant the very first month possible and went full term, we would have paid $21,000 for the maternity coverage.
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Our rider is $100/month with a $1,000 deductible and a 6 month exclusion period. How does that compare to group insurance?
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I’m not super familiar with either category, but I’ve read more about riders on individual coverage, and from what I’ve seen, what you’ve got is a pretty great package. Exhibit a: Kelly just above you.
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In terms of health insurance, I’ve gotten my own private insurance in three different states. Every time, as a woman, if I wanted maternity coverage I’d pay double or more than what I’m currently paying (I’ve paid anywhere from $100-150 a month over the past 6 years). So my mission is to get a permanent, benefited job in the next year or two before we end up having babies.
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Indeed, group coverage through my husband’s job would have been significantly more expensive (and covered less) than the private health insurance I got on my own, so in our case going private worked better.
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Just a note that I wish that doctors and lactation consultants would talk about tongue ties more. Both my cousin and my friend had babies with tongue ties, and they needlessly suffered for weeks with breastfeeding problems. The issue was corrected with a simple and quick procedure, and then nursing became much easier. For anyone thinking about breastfeeding newborns, keep in mind the potential for tongue ties.
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yes!
This was one of the big benefits of my son being in the NICU so long – every time I nursed it was around nurses with infant specialties, many of them with personal breastfeeding experience as well. He was diagnosed with a tongue tie a day or two after my milk came in and cutting it made a HUGE difference.
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Awesome article, thanks for posting it– this is exactly what I think about when people mention “how much babies cost.” Being told “you’ll never be ready so do it now” doesn’t really cut it for me– it’s great to hear a report straight from the trenches.
I need to make more money! :/
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Adorable kids!!!
We had our second child a year ago, and he was born at home, which was mostly covered by insurance. If you’re low-risk, home birth can be wonderful, but I know it’s not for everyone.
We use mostly cloth diapers, a lot of which were donated by friends. We got a lot of hand-me-down clothes and toys from friends as well, and I only buy clothes from Once Upon a Child or on clearance. I got a nice jogging stroller on Craigslist for $15, and I made a sling, which we still use to carry our son. We also didn’t buy any furniture. Our son still sleeps in bed with us…again, I know co-sleeping isn’t for everyone, but it works for us.
Also breastfeeding is so cheap if it works for your family. Our son is still mostly nursing and eats what we eat as far as solid foods.
I’ve found that even as kids get older, they don’t have to be expensive
Our daughter is ten, and we pay for soccer (very cheap compared to most sports!) and not much else. Our public school is great for free music lessons, and the library is always great for free entertainment. She just saved up for her own iPod, but has been happy with hand-me-down gadgets from us in the past.
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Car seats and cribs should be purchased new…
Such a scam. It’s amazing that the industry gets away with convincing people of this stuff. We’ll buy a used car, which, for all we know, has airbags that don’t work at all, and take our chances that they’ll be fine (because seriously, how many cars have broken airbags?), but we won’t do the same with a car seat, which is essentially a plastic bucket attached to a seatbelt, that you can inspect to see if it’s broken just by looking at it.
I have an almost 3-month-old baby as well, and we did buy her a brand new car seat, but mostly because no one had an old one to give us. We didn’t buy my wife a brand new car to go with it, even though the latest models have better safety equipment than her 7-year-old car.
When our daughter outgrows her car seat though, I’m certainly keeping it in case we have another child, not getting rid of it because it might hit an expiration date. Did you realize car seats have expiration dates? They do. Giant scam. A quick search on google for “baby killed in expired car seat” finds exactly zero relevant results. I think I’ll take my chances.
On the topic of cloth diapers that someone else mentioned. We are using both cloth and disposable diapers. Both seem fine. Disposable ones are in some ways more convenient (you don’t have to wash them), but in other ways less convenient (“Oh crap, we’re all out of diapers, when does the store close?”). In general I can’t complain about the cloth diapers though, they work fine and aside from doing more laundry, aren’t any more work than the disposable ones.
On the topic of health insurance — I have good health insurance through work, and so the birth or our daughter cost me essentially $0 (a few $15 co-pays at doctors’ visits). It’s definitely worth having good insurance for that process.
Also, there are plenty of things we didn’t buy: We don’t have a stroller. We didn’t buy a crib (we got several varieties of baby bed handed down from others. None of them seem unsafe). We don’t have a baby monitor. Like Mark said, new babies don’t really need much besides food, attention, and a place to sleep. When they’re born in the summertime they barely even need clothes.
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Great story, and very well-organized.
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Congratulations! Beautiful photo.
Both my kids were home births, although we did have insurance. It might have been cheaper to have the kids in the hospital, but I didn’t want to. Both kids slept in makeshift things until they were old enough to be out of our room (I breastfed). No changing table, almost all hand-me-down stuff or stuff from gifts, but this was decades ago so the safety standards were lower. We used cloth diapers and someone got us a diaper service as a gift. We had to buy disposable for daycare, however. I see articles about really early potty training, which might be frugal, then there’d be no need for diapers, but maybe a carpet cleaning bill?
Anyway, enjoy the heck out of the kids–they really do grow up fast.
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Congratulations on your beautiful family! I LOVE the baby photos! Too cute. I agree with the last comment..enjoy your kids because they grow up fast!
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Great article and beautiful family!
It’s so true that you feel pressured to buy so much *stuff* when you’re first expecting, and then much of it is outgrown quickly or not as useful as you thought it’d be (e.g. bumbo, wipe warmer, bassinet, etc). My advice is try not to buy too much before the birth…wait until a true need arises and definitely check for quality secondhand options first.
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Just a note about car seats.. my local community center provides a free car seat for low-income families. The only other requirement is that they must meet with center and be taught how to belt in right. I wonder if this is frequently offered in most locations to families who get other types of assistance.
Likely this doesn’t apply to most of the readers, but hey, it may help someone!
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My kids are long grown so I am not contributing to this except to say that I notice by the last photo that you have the biggest answer to the cost of children- the baby has gone corporate. Having an executive baby with a big income really helps!
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One thing I didn’t understand was why the car seat and crib always have to be new and then later you say that you are reusing your car seat with your son. Isn’t that the same as getting one second hand from another family who recently had a child? What am I missing
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I thought the same thing. I think you just need to make sure they are in excellent condition before you use them, so if you are getting something secondhand, it should be from someone you know well and it should be reasonably new. Check the internet for recalls on car seats and cribs. We got a new car seat, but we used the crib my husband had used as a baby. It didn’t meet the new requirements because the slats were too far apart, but with babies with off-the-chart head sizes, it wasn’t a problem.
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You shouldn’t purchase a car seat that has been in an accident and you’d have no way of knowing. Car seats do have expiration dates so that needs to be considered, but I don’t think there’s any reason you can’t have one passed along from a trusted family member.
I don’t know about the cribs – our two oldest slept in borrowed cribs. Our others slept in a cheap $40 Ikea crib – not the most attractive thing but it did the job.
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I also read somewhere (about 5 years ago) that carseat technology changes about every 5 years. So we gave our infant seat away once DS outgrew it as we weren’t planning another child within that time frame. I haven’t checked to see if carseats have actually changed since our son was born, but it seemed like a reasonable heuristic at the time.
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With cribs, make sure any second-hand crib fits the guidelines for maximum width of the spaces between the bars; nowadays, I believe you can’t get drop-side cribs new, either. Sidecar co-sleeping beds, bassinets, etc. don’t have that issue.
Car seats expire after 5 years– they have to have stickers showing their manufacture date. I’d stick to hand-me-downs or freecycle, rather than buying secondhand; people who give you one free have no motive for concealing if its been in an accident. The infant carseat I got on freecycle for my boy had been used by one other baby before him and was used by another after him. It had 2 bases, so we put one in each car. However, he grew fast so we had to buy larger car seats once he went close to its 20 lb limit. Those probably won’t be pass-down-able as they convert to boosters, so they will be too old to pass down once he’s out of them.
Oh, and there’s a wierd rumor going around among hippy crunchy parents that used crib mattresses cause SIDs; there’s no research to support that, though. Just put the kid on his back to sleep.
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That is a really weird rumor. 6 years ago, when I was pregnant, the big hippie concern with crib mattresses was the plastic/vinyl offgassing. You’d think used would be better on that front.
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Cute baby!! Congratulations also!
My babies (twins) were born in the summer, and they always got too hot from being “worn” so close to me or their Dad in baby bjorn carriers. They were much happier laying in down in the bed of the double stroller where they could spread out and enjoy the cool breezes! So this is something to consider if your baby is born when the weather is very warm–you may not be able to use a baby carrier that holds the baby close to your body.
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Zolowear makes breathable mesh slings.
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Loved the article and the pictures. The white shirts & ties one was so original and so cute. I know you will enjoy these children.
We are older–in 70′s–and adopted 4 infants–boy, girl, boy, girl– in 7 yrs. They are now 39 thru 46 yrs.old. This was when cloth diapers were used, so the disposables were one expense we did not have. Also I was a stay at home mom, and believe me no one wants to eat out with four small children, so we ate home prepared food, and I learned to make pizza, tacos, etc. We got a lot of hand me downs for the first child and some baby clothes from family members (I have 3 sisters and 2 brothers and they have a total of 14 children). We bought a lot of their clothes from garage sales, except for shoes and underwear. We lived frugally and they attended the local university. We were able to finance this so that they graduated with no student loan debt.
There is an unexpected dividend–we now have 7 grandchildren we have enjoyed a lot. But this is a surprise that happens further down the road.
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People think I’m nuts when I tell them babies don’t really cost that much but ours really haven’t. We have cloth diapered, breastfed, and bought what we can used. The only time we’ve felt a pinch with a new baby is when we had to put the baby in daycare. We even recently found a solution for insurance which I’ve been blogging about this week on my own blog.
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This was a great article and I especially liked the point that the “baby industrial complex” preys on the worries of new parents.
However, I would like to see more frugal parenting articles from parents of older children – definitely at least school age and all the way up to high school. So many baby and college articles, there seems to be a lack for the years in between.
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Amy Daczyn, who writes the Tightwad Gazette, is a good resource for school age kids. She and her husband have something like 6 kids, and they have lots of systems worked out. The most memorable, to me, is that they have boxes in the attic for all sorts of various size clothes. Whenever she finds a really good deal/free clothes of a size her kids will grow into, she sorts the clothes into the boxes in the attic. As her kids grow, she pulls out the correct box and then just has to look for anything she hadn’t yet collected.
I don’t know if she has anything online, but her books are an amazing resource.
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GREAT article. Thanks for a dose of reality into how to introduce frugality into having a family. Very relieving for someone who doesn’t yet have a family but would like to do so soon.
However, I changed from a regular corporate plan this year to a high-deductible health plan for next year. I’m a little afraid that’s going to kill me in terms of pre-natal and birthing costs…
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We have four. OUr first was at a hospital where they perfromed several unneeded and unwants interventions. One we knew that my wife has easy, uncomplicated labors, we decided to do homebirths with a ceritified mid-wife. It was a bunch better experience. For our last two, we didn’t even both with maternity coverage. We saved on our monthly premiums by not having maternity coverage and our outof pocket expense to our mid-wife was only $1800 (less than half of our deductible, so we would have paid that anyway).
Don’t understimate alternative medicine options if you know you don’t need conventional hospital treatment.
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The tax benefits of having a child are substantial also. Having two children took our federal income taxes down to zero.
I find that the main cost of having a child is opportunity cost–the things I have to give up doing to care for the child.
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The one thing I don’t see on here is the cost of daycare. That is unfortunately our biggest expense and non-negotiable (can’t find daycare used or free.) Daycare for a second child is no cheaper than for the first.
We pay more in daycare per month than what we paid for the entire pregnancy and first year of healthcare.
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You’re right Hanna. Studies have shown that unless both partners make upwards of $100,000/yr the added cost of a second set work attire, commuting, more prepared meals and daycare end up costing you more than you gain compared to only one partner working. If you both choose to work, you basically lose money for the privilege of not staying home,
Your family’s financial bottomline and the emotional well being and maturity of you children actually all benefit from one of you staying home.
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You’re forgetting lost human capital accumulation, getting shifted to the mommy track, not getting raises etc. etc. etc. Leaving the labor force can have enormous negative impacts on your future lifetime earnings, not just this year’s. (Even more studies have shown that…)
Also there’s the fact that some people have better emotional well-being when both parents work and that a good daycare has benefits for kids too.
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I think you don’t see recommendation for cheap daycare because most people are pretty good at sourcing which options are available to them. It’s an incredibly personal decision if/who to leave your children with. Some people have access to family for free daycare, some people have jobs that can negotiate more flexible hours, but when you offer these suggestions to others you get a lot of ‘sure but *I* can’t do that’ so it’s best just not to discuss it. Clearly the author has some knowledge on both sides as his wife worked with their first child and didn’t with the second – that probably speaks volumes right there! But I think that daycare is not fundamentally a money decision, we think, it’s expensive so the amount should matter. But that’s like saying we’re Catholic instead of Mormon because there’s less social pressure to tithe. The other reasons for putting a child in daycare, or having a nanny or staying home (ie: the mommy track versus wanting to be there for every minute) far eclipse the actual costs.
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After the birth of our 2nd child, I saw on the reverse side of our hospital bill a form I could fill out asking for financial assistance. There was even a handy table outlining the number of people in your household matched up with the income limits of eligibility.
So for 4 people, if you made less than $61,000, you’d be eligible for a bill reduction.
I filled this out and mailed it in. It took long enough for the hospital to process this request that their billing department started calling me to see where our payment was. I explained that I was waiting on THEM to send me a new bill!
It payed off because they knocked $1,500 off of our bill eventually.
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This was a great article; I find it very encouraging, since I’m just starting to look at taking this plunge!
Thanks for sharing!
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Your story is relevant and a great message for those who may be even starting preparations for their first child. The number of children in a family is a lot smaller than it used to be and a huge contributing factor to that is the cost associated to having a large family. A good portion of these costs are due to the consumerism society that we have become. Babies (and kids) have so much stuff now a days they grow out of it before it was ever worn or played with. Good luck with your new addition, sounds like you are off to a great start.
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Great article and lots of useful information. I do agree on the issue of car seats – they have to be new unless you are getting them from someone you know very well and trust. As for the cribs, I’d go with a new mattress definitely, but the crib itself, I’d get it used. In fact, our friends gave us a bassinet they used for their daughter. The most important part though is, as you emphasized several times, is having good health insurance plan and checking the hospital/doctors’ bills.
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Mark – what kind of freezer do you have? Is it one of those big deep freezers? I like the idea of freezing meals ahead of time so you don’t have to be cooking when you first bring the baby home, but our freezer could probably only fit a week’s worth of meals. We’ve though about getting one of those big freezers, but I’m concerned about the increased electricity cost. Did it increase your electricity usage significantly when you bought it?
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Thanks for the question, Bonnie. We have a regular-sized refrigerator/freezer–it was packed pretty full right before the baby was born. Not all the meals were fully prepared, but everything was arranged to minimize our prep time, e.g. we didn’t pre-cook hamburger meat for tacos, but we did freeze it in portions appropriate for a single meal.
I would love a chest freezer, but we don’t have enough room for it. As I understand it, modern ones are quite well-insulated, so they don’t add much to the electric bill.
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This is a really interesting and well-written article. May I make one minuscule gripe? It drives me bats when people say “we” are pregnant. Unless you are a lesbian couple, this is not biologically possible. “We are expecting” conveys the same message.
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“We” is the correct pronoun…
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Gen 2:24)
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Fantastic article. Very well written and thought out. You have great ideas in here. I just picked up a few baby clothes for a friend at thrift store – with the tags still on them. And the last picture (baby tie!) is great!
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I truly enjoyed your post. The last pic is absolutely adorable. When we were preparing for our baby I was very careful with the spending, especially when it came to clothing-They grow so fast and before you know it you will have a closet/drawer full of things they won’t even wear.
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First of all, congratulations! This is a great article. My wife and I are currently a few years away from starting a family, so this article gives us some food for thought. Is it bad that when she says she wants 4 kids, the first thing that comes to mind is the costs?!
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Your family is beautiful and your story was good too!
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this is good info…my wife sent it to me…http://tinyurl.com/a9mtnjt
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