This guest post from George is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes.
Back in 2007, I was in a financial funk. I was doing all the “right” things — track our spending down to the penny, max out our retirement accounts, aggressively pay down our mortgage — but I didn’t feel good about it. My wife and I had great jobs with above-average salaries, but with a high savings rate and extra mortgage payments we didn’t have much cash for fun. Our budget was so tight that we felt guilty whenever we spent extra cash on indulgences, even small ones. My wife griped that she didn’t have any money to spend on clothes — and when my wife complains, I know there’s a problem!
Four years ago, in a question to the GRS “Ask the Readers” column, I wrote that “I [was] starting to feel like I [was] sacrificing too much in the present so that I [could] can save for the future.”
Finding Financial Balance
Fast-forward to 2011 and things sure have changed! Instead of a toddler and a fetus, we have a daughter in elementary school and a rambunctious four-year old son. We’ve achieved financial balance, but not how you might expect.
We’re investing more than ever and have increased our mortgage prepayments, but we’re also spending more on the fun stuff. Just today we spent $100 for a family admission to the local waterslide park (plus $7 for the locker rental!) — a total indulgence, but everybody had a blast! We’re also spending more on restaurant meals, fancy coffees, and a bottle of wine to share once a week — all things that we didn’t do at all just a few years ago.
To summarize: We’re saving more, we’ve accelerated our mortgage payments, and we’re spending more — all at the same time! But how?
The Key to Comfort
The math simply wouldn’t add up, of course, if it weren’t for one thing: increased income. My wife and I are both paid according to a salary grid, so our pay goes up with each additional year of experience. Combined with promotions, this has had a big impact on our disposable income.
- In 2007, our take-home pay was $3300 every two weeks.
- In 2008 that increased to $3500.
- In 2009, it jumped to $3700.
- In 2010 I received a promotion which gave me a huge bump in salary. Now we’re bringing home over $4500 biweekly — roughly 35% more than four years ago.
Seniority, hard work, and some luck really can pay off in due time. And so, I hope it’s clear, can increased income. J.D. writes a lot about making more money, and maybe he’s right.
My wife and I are still working toward our long-term goals, but we’ve come to realize that it’s okay to spend some money to have fun today, even though it might delay future prosperity. It does feel like we’ve “won” the personal finance game somehow. We’ve struck the balance between investing for tomorrow and spending for today. Our needs are all covered, but we’re indulging in some of our wants too. We’re not millionaires (yet), but we’ll get there eventually.
The next step in our journey will be to pay off our mortgage, which should happen next year — before our 35th birthdays! At that point we’ll have a big chunk of cash flow freed up, and we’ll need to decide what to do with it once the house is paid off.
Any suggestions from the GRS community?
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George – congratulations! You have done well. But…maybe slow down on that spending again and you’ll be able to retire even earlier. The trick to it is to hone down your expenditure again. Spending money is not the only way to have fun, as you will have realised in your former ‘spending mode’. A good target might be to pay off your mortgage as soon as humanly possible. Good luck!
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Did you read that they’ll be paid off next year, before they’re 35?!
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Retire even earlier–to what end? Why do so many people who comment on PF blogs assume that retirement is the be-all and end-all of existence? If everything one does is only in service of retirement, what does that say about the quality of the day-to-day life one is retiring from? Life is meant to be lived and work should have a purpose–it’s not just a race to the end.
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I read a lot about retirement for work and it’s amazing how attitudes towards retirement have changed. Sure, people are working longer because they feel they have to, but many people continue to work in some capacity because they enjoy it. (Like starting a new business, consulting, teaching, etc.) I’ve seen many cases where people “unretire”.
I noticed that the author of Early Retirement Extreme just announced he’s going back to work. Go figure.
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I am decades from retirement, but I know a lot of retired people, and those of post-retirement age (in their 80s). The people who kept working or returned to work are invariably far more mentally sharp and quite a bit more physically healthy than the retirees. Granted, I don’t know too many super-wealthy people who might be traveling the world or anything. But the trend is unmistakable: Keep working, stay younger.
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Jacob was about financial independence, not “retirement” as “quitting work,” though his early choice of domain name sort of pigeonholed him that way. He just retired from running a blog at this point and will go into a new “hard problem solving” venture. He never quit working really.
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I don’t think that you have to keep working to be “far more mentally sharp and quite a bit more physically healthy than the retirees.” People can retire and volunteer, take classes, start a hobby, travel, run for the school board, etc. Retiring doesn’t mean that you sit on the couch and watch TV all day. I can make generalizations, too. People who retire yet stay active physically and mentally probably are more healthy than those who continue to work and are stressed by their jobs and office politics.
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I agree Andrew. I am a teacher(not the best paid job in the world) and at 51 have been a teacher for 30 years. I genuinely like my job at at times love it. I don’t ever want to retire!! All of my needs are met and some of my wants and I’ll have a small pension if I ever have to retire.
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To me it’s never been about retirement specifically, but about being financially independent so that if I chose to quit my current job, or seek something else, I had the flexability to do it.
I use the term retirement for me to hit that point. I expect to earn money at something beyond that.
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I retired in my early 40s and I’m amused by your negative description of financial independence and freedom. Our health has vastly improved because we have more time to exercise, pursue outdoor hobbies, garden, and cook meals from scratch. We have time to learn new skills; in fact, I’d say we’re in a learning renaissance. My husband has taught himself several new programming languages and I wrote a nonfiction book and a novel.
If your picture of retirement is golf and tv, you’re way off. Working toward early retirement means working toward financial freedom and the opportunity to craft your best life. Which, by the way, can include work — freedom means doing what you want to do.
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While I am happy for the author, I am a tad jealous. I would be lying if I said I wasn’t. With that being said, I’d like to see more articles on real life stories about real people.
Annual income increases like the ones this author received are unheard of along the rank and file. Perhaps, higher management or professional careers might see this type of income increase.
Let’s stick to more realistic articles for the average user. Thank you.
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I’m not positive, but I think that’s pretty common for union jobs?
Maybe we should all work on revitalizing our dying (or threatened) unions.
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Hi Michael – Imelda’s quite correct in that we both have unionized positions. Until this most recent promotion, we were both in “worker bee” front-line positions. Other than this most recent promotion, our pay increases came from moving up a salary grid.
One thing to keep in mind is that we definitely don’t foresee these increases continuing – we’ve hit the ceiling on the salary grids and the only way our pay will change at this point is if we get more promotions. Possible, but I’m not sure it’s something we’d want to aim for – I don’t think either my wife or I would want the added hassle that comes with senior management positions.
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These are everyday real people…there are lots of people out there making good money dispite the bad economy. The other day we were talking about being homeless. Today we are discussing finances from another real person perspective. What a great blog.
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What’s not real life about this? At several times over the past 12 years or so, I’ve had seasons where income has popped up (changed employers, got a promotion) and others where it has increased gradually or not at all.
I appreciate George’s story because I’m in somewhat of the same boat. I paid off my last debt, except the mortgage, put about half of that money immediatly towards a 529 plan for my kids and now am wrestling with continueing to maximize savings with or to loosen up a bit and fund experiences now rather than at age 62.
Being debt free is a great reality
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Congrats on almost having your mortgage paid off. It would have been nice for you to compare your family’s income to the median, you’re making about 3X the median. Personal finance is pretty easy when your income is much higher than your expenses.
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My thoughts exactly.
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It isn’t as easy as it might seem to keep expenses low with a higher income – there is constant pressure from our friends and family to ‘lighten up’ and spend some more. What has helped us along the way has been to have some long-term goals that we both focus on, like paying off our house early.
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Unfortunately it’s not hard to spend more than you make in any income bracket. Just look at multimillionaires like Nicholas Cage and many pro athletes to find that high income won’t compensate for spending more in a bling bling society.
It’s easy for low income people to believe that more money is the answer to their financial problems…Although if you continue spending more than you make, one can never make enough to stay ahead.
Stop Class Warfare!
DA
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Oops, can I “un”like a comment? I didn’t read your last line until too late.
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Can’t believe someone is openly FOR class warfare…Dislike Imelda.
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Personal finance is not “pretty easy” when making a higher income. It is very easy to spend more money when making more money. It still comes down to a set of choices and goals, and better ways to build personal wealth.
Articles on this blog are meant to cover a wide scope of people. If an article on increased income doesn’t apply to you, perhaps you should focus on changing that.
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If you have 529 college savings accounts set up for the kids that is where I would put the freed up mortgage $. At least for a year or two. Life is too short not to enjoy it though. Have fun showing your children different places in their neighborhood. There may be a local artist or nonprofit worth investing in.
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Increased earnings are great! And it is great you were able to target that increase at both spending and saving.
We’ve got the problem that as (state) government workers our raises have been frozen for several years, so our earning power has been eroding with inflation. We’re still not at a point where our income is lower than our expenses, but it is definitely harder going the other direction… decreased real wages. Some day we may have to change jobs just to increase our salaries.
As to where to save more– I would look in to make sure you’re actually maxing out retirement savings vehicles– we can save 72K/year through our employers and Roths (mandatory + 403b + 457 + IRA). We can’t actually save that though on our current incomes. Additionally I agree with the 529 suggestion.
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I hear you, Nicole!. I am a civilian nurse that works in the military system. I made the deliberate decision about 2 years ago, in that I felt a calling to take care of service members and their family (I’m an ER/ICU nurse) The pay cut I took was massive. Working more hours than I ever have, I now make less than my first year out of nursing school 13 years ago:-( and get a lovely whole 8 days off a year. (I got 4 weeks JUST vacation time at my first nursing job) In addition, there is NO room for advancement (they save that for military nurses who need added responsibility for their rank). I, too, wonder how long I can keep this up.
And while I am happy for the writer….I just don’t see a practical application to my own situation. I can’t even imagine being to afford a house at my current age of 40……not even mentioning paying off a mortgage at 35-LOL But…good for them:-)
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It is good to have the image of someone who frugality and wealth building worked for, to keep going against the tide myself. I’d imagine your choice was actually very similar – instead of frugality getting you to a place of high equity & fun money, you used it to make a career change most people would say they couldn’t afford.
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If you can’t afford a house in this market, it may be because of the “massive” pay cut you willing took for a more satisfying job.
If your need for a house is greater than your need to work in a military hospital I am sure you can find a very rewarding medical career in the private sector.
If your massive pay cut and long hours and lost vacation time are rewarding you with a dream job that’s great.( I really mean it, few people have a dream job.)However, I don’t think I need to hear how you can’t afford a house because of the decision you willing made to following your calling.
Choices, choices, choices..We can’t have it all.
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Maria, you make it sound as if Jennifer’s decision to take a military job is a selfish one, that she must ‘pay” for it in some way. In fact, this is one of the most selfless financial and life decisions I’ve encountered on personal finance blogs.
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This post is an interesting contrast to the last post about how to help a homeless friend. Like the author, we have remained mostly unaffected by the recession in the sense that we haven’t lost our income. But my husbands’ wages are still largely stagnant. A 35% income increase over four years is just inconceivable to most people right now, no matter what you try to do.
While I don’t begrudge the author their success or their disposable income that they can currently use to enjoy life more, like the person above, I wouldn’t necessarily say I related to the post or got anything out of it. When your income is always increasing, it doesn’t seem like you have to sacrifice that much to get to your larger savings goals (that is, unless they are perhaps unrealistic to your situation).
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I agree with Jane. I do not begrudge this type of income growth, but it’s very hard to find any practical application of this experience in my financial world. I was excited when I first started to read this article because I also feel like I track every penny, contribute to retirement, pay of mortgage debt at an accelerated rate — and in itself sometimes it feels kind of empty…I count on these articles to show me how other people are doing the steady, hard work of minding their finance, controlling their spending and building a future in the little drips that it seems to take me. I have no fixed path in front of me offering steady increases, and even after working hard there haven’t been any increases by my employer. I’m lucky to have a job, but the reality is saving is really hard work, and given the current economic situation this article makes me feel frustrated that I cannot grow my income out of my situation, even though I’ve done the right things…it takes real creative to make savings grow on a fixed budget. I’d like to see more articles about sticking to a program that accelerates savings while building personal happiness.
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I’m with you Sarah. At 51 I am at the top of a teaching pay scale here in Ireland. I have suffered massive pay cuts over the last four years and tax increses with the economic crisis. I cant’aggressively’ pay off or save anything. i just chissel away at my large mortgage and save tiny amounts. I try to give myself and my son(I am a single parent of a teenage son) tiny treats now and again. I live as frugally as I can and do get a certain small satisfaction from saving pennies.
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My thoughts exactly. I was not able to relate to this article. Annual increases in income will always translate to easier personal finance.
I’m disappointed with this article.
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I’ve had a similar experience to George. I was saving everything and aggresively payng off debt to the point that I felt like I was missing out on living now. What I found is that if you don’t allow for some funds to flow into living your life today, you’ll burn out just working to live tomorrow. I haven’t had the kind of increase in earnings that George has seen, but I will say that once you’ve got your expenses under control it is easier to adjust your finances to find the perfect balance for you.
Also don’t be dismissive of the guy’s story just because he’s making a good living. The point is valid even for one making the median income.
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I agree matt. I too have had to adjust my thinking as I approached a mortgage being paid off and large amounts of savings.
However, I am surprised at how many people can’t relate to the article. I bet they thought it was quit interesting until they seen the family income.
So many financially intelligent individuals truly think that a high salary is the only way to reach financial independence.
My husband and I make less than the author but this article could have been written by me. I also have to agree with the author that as our income increases it is much harder to not give in to the pressure of others who say we need to.. live it up.. need to spend… you know you can’t take it with you.. etc.
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I think JD’s said before that not all reader stories are supposed to be “how to do what I did.” Sometimes they’re just “this is what happened to me.”
Wish I could help the OP with some suggestions. But I only know how to stretch pennies. I’ve never dealt with an overabundance of dollars.
Good luck to them.
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If you’re in Canada, then any suggestions for financial vehicles available only in the US are pretty useless.
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You’d be surprised at how good we Canadians are at “translating”. From what I understand a 529 sounds like our RESP, CDs are like GICs and Roth are like TFSAs.
Well, perhaps not quite. I’m used to reading American PF blogs, so the message I take away is “save for retirement” or “save for your child’s education” even if the products are different.
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I think one important take away from this story is that if/when your income grows, the usual advice it not to let your lifestyle creep and expand to consume the excess, but rather to put that new excess toward a specific goal. Regardless of income, many people live to their financial limit. At very low incomes that may be a necessity. At higher incomes there is the option to continue to live frugally and save like a maniac. The problem is that once you are making what others would consider a good salary, there is the expectation by others that you will drive certain vehicles, take a certain types of holiday, etc etc.
I say good for this writer for prioritizing savings first of all, and then consciously choosing to spend just a small amount of the excess on a few little luxuries to make the present enjoyable.
Our situation is very similar to the writer and I identify completely. We make similar salaries, but choose to live on about 60% of that income most of the time. Unlike friends with similar incomes, we buy used cars with cash, we don’t have satelite or even cable for that matter. We rarely eat in restaurants. We aren’t suffering, we’ve just decided that those aren’t our priorities and therefore spending on those things because it’s somehow expected would be terribly wasteful. Instead we are working toward early retirement in our mid 50s. Our exception to the frugal rule is to take a major trip every other year with our kids (as long as they are still living at home). Yes it’s a whack of cash that could have gone toward our usual targets – extra mortgage payments and retirement savings. It’s our one concession to enjoying today rather than living only for the future. Who knows if we’ll be healthy enough in retirment to do the travelling we hope to?
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So you earn more….and thus you decided you could spend more. I’m glad that life is feeling better for you. I’m glad you are enjoying the present and spending money on creating family fun time. However, I’d like to know…if your incomes hadn’t ever increased, or perhaps increased a little, but not as much as it actually did….would you have the same story to tell? I love that you have found balance, but I wonder, if you run into a situation where the income stops increasing would you still be able to find this balance?
It seems you have less decided and chosen how to prioritize fun than realized you now have enough extra money to have the fun you felt you lacked before.
Congrats on your savings and paying down/off the mortgage. Seriously. Good job. Enviable things for you to be doing for sure! Keep up the good work, but I would say make sure that you can settle on a plan to keep money free for fun without tying it to the mandate that your salary must increase in order to do it.
Maybe I’m too cynical, but I usually tend toward the idea that plan A is great…as long as you have a plan B to employ, just in case
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Yes, we have two great jobs and have been incredibly lucky, but we’ve always tried to plan for the worst case scenarios all along and have a “plan B”.
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Thank you for this. I was just going to add for all the critics: While I don’t relate to the exact details of this post, either, it does follow the “make more money” spirit of many posts by J.D. and others here.
This year, my wife and I have taken this idea to heart. Sure, I’m not getting any huge salary increases these days, but both my wife and I have found a way to pick up a few extra dollars advertising our capabilities on Craigslist and seeking it elsewhere too. Just a few hundred dollars more a month covers a lot of expenses. We were overspending our budget earlier in the year due to some unexpected circumstances. We’re now catching up on these expenses and will soon funnel the money to other places–more to retirment, paying off debt and then a little fun.
It’s not the kind of money George is talking about, but it is extra money.
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Congratulations! I am impressed with your ability to limit your expenses (which most people find very hard to control) and then find that balance we all want. And it sounds like you aren’t overindulging which is what I assume would probably be the biggest threat for people in your position. Great job!
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It’s not inconceivable. I have made more every year for the last three years and my husband has switched jobs twice in the last two years without the security of a new job- it only took him 2-3 weeks to find a job with full benefits.. Part of personal finance requires career planning and setting goals for your earnings. People need to be cognizant that choosing certain career paths will require one to live incredibly frugally to accumulate a lot of savings. I achieved most of my career goals by 30 and save about 70k per year for the last 5 years- sometimes more. The average household income in my neighborhood is 95k but the average for the MSA is 52k. By the numbers, I am surrounded by a bunch of families that are anomalies. We also moved from a higher cost of living to a lower cost of living are to enable our savings goals.
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BUT…the fact remains that it IS inconceivable to many, if not most, of us. Many jobs just do NOT have that kind of income increases, not to mention bonuses, etc.
And, while I agree that increasing income is desirable and admirable, for some (once again I would venture to say many) of us it will never be feasible. This is especially true with anyone in the public service sector. Nurses, police officers, firefighters, EMS workers, etc already operate under enormous stress….you add excessive overtime and/or a second job…and you are looking at major burnout, which is a massive problem under the best of circumstances.
And you are 100% correct in that careful financial planning does require wise career choice decision making….but thank goodness some of us do what we do anyway;-)
I just don’t feel that in our current economy and with the current financial reality that this was pertinent advice. I don’t expect every story to speak to me, but I almost feel this was in poor taste.
But 99.9% of the time I love this blog. I, in no way, feel entitled to having to love it 100% of the time-LOL
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I’m sorry if you feel my story was in poor taste – I think we don’t see nearly enough stories of success shared (especially in the mainstream news), and wanted to share that it is possible to do well even in a poor economy.
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George,
Congratulations!! It’s very commendable that you have the discipline not to inflate your lifestyle just simply because you’ve received consistent raises. I enjoyed reading your story and appreciate you sharing it. I don’t think it was in poor taste at all. This blog is about sharing and learning from each other. While a particular story may not be personally applicable to you, it does not make it irrelevant to others. I find the sour grape mentality I’m reading in the readers’ comments appalling and distasteful. The important lesson from your story for me is that living well below your means is the key to happiness and sanity.
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Feel better after venting? I personally have had my income cut in half and am supporting 2 additional people plus paying insurance for my son but I am excited to know that there are people doing well. We read so much about doom and gloom that it is good to know that there are some people achieving economic success without ripping people off. I think that it is wonderful that they spent their free time at a local entertainment venue helping out the local economy where they live, providing wonderful experiences for their children. My favorite memories of my children when they were young involve picnics at a local park. It didn’t cost very much but there was lots of laughter and fun involved.
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I was in no way venting and am sorry if you interpreted it as such. I was merely expressing my overall discomfort with the tone of the story.
Your reaction seems very strong and a bit defensive. I am sorry if something I said upset you…that was not my intention in the least:-)
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This story reminds me of a blog I used to read all the time. The author of the blog was single and looking for a job, and even though her writing was insufferable I enjoyed following her search, since I am also in the same neighborhood and looking for jobs. Misery loves company.
. Can’t relate hugely though wihout fantasizing how I would spend all the money if I had any.
However, she soon got a fabulous job and a great boyfriend. Good for her, but I had a hard time relating to the blog after that (plus the writing got even worse!). It’s fun to read about others in your situation, but kind of a bummer to read about people who are doing much better than you are*.
Anyway, good for op. Not a situation I’m likely to find myself in, and it’s written well so there is that
*I’ve also been EXCEEDINGLY grumpy lately about my inability to get work/money to be able to sustain myself, so I’m probably just grumpy about that. Yes yes bootstraps and optimism, but guys, work. Paychecks. Rent and food.
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Jennifer, YOu say :
“I agree that increasing income is desirable and admirable, for some (once again I would venture to say many) of us it will never be feasible.”
I think its unrealistically pessimistic or exaggeration to think that it will “never be feasible” to increase ones income.
Its true a lot of people haven’t had raises lately and many people have had pay cuts. But this is not a “forever” situation. Peoples wages will go up. It may take years and it may be gradual but wages will go up. In fact average compensation has gone up each of the past 4 years even during the recession. True wages certainly didn’t go up for many people but on average pay did increase albeit at a slow 1-2% rate. Median household income took a negative hit in recent years but that is more due to many people being unemployed and having no income.
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Jim….I do hope you are right! I am currently making about $20 grand a year less than my first year out of nursing school 13 years ago…and that is working more hours:-O
Part of that is my fault…..I made a conscious choice to move into the federal system (I had always worked inner city county hospitals) in that I truly felt a calling to take care of our military service members. So not only the huge pay cut….but now the current pay freeze. Like most things involving government actually “doing” things is not respected. The only room for advancement would be to leave the bedside (which is my passion) and become a pencil pusher who goes to meetings all day about planning more meetings-LOL
But I digress…I can only cross my fingers and hope that you are correct!
But one thing is crystal clear….Canadian pubic servant are much higher paid than American public servants:-O
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“Canadian pubic servant are much higher paid than American public servants:-O”
I don’t know why you say that.
You can’t conclude that just by comparing Georges pay to your pay.
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Jennifer you say, “Part of that is my fault…..I made a conscious choice to move into the federal system (I had always worked inner city county hospitals) in that I truly felt a calling to take care of our military service members. So not only the huge pay cut…”…..and “But I digress…I can only cross my fingers and hope that you are correct!”
All I can say is you willing took a government job that has always been know to pay sub par wages long before you ever started working there and your only strategy to earn more money is to cross your fingers and hope they increase your pay… WOW just WOW
The job and wages are not the problem… your attitude and long term plans are the problem.
For someone who claims to be working a job that is your calling your attitude towards it is pretty dismal. Perhaps you need to self evaluate your situation… maybe this is not your calling. Maybe you just thought is was a rewarding job and if you crossed your fingers a miracle may happen and you would be paid 10X more than any civilian nurse in the history of military hospitals… with 8 weeks vacation a year and a fully loaded pension.
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Wow, harsh much?
Yes, she knew she was going to take a reduction in pay to follow her calling. That doesn’t mean she didn’t make other plans to help compensate–or that those plans might not have been enough. Or that she might legitimately be frustrated that her salary has *stayed* flat and she can’t pursue any of her other goals (home ownership, for example). (I know, it’s terribly shocking that someone might want more than one thing at a time …)
I think it’s a shame people want to dogpile on this particular commentor. Surely we can all afford a little more charity and compassion this holiday season …
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Especially someone who is supporting our troops!
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Maria,
You sound angry and have such a bitter tone…. I am sorry that someone who you never have and never will meet can elicit such a response. It was never my intention to cause such distress.
You are 100% right…life is about choices(I am assuming you are the “Maria” that made that earlier post)and due to my situation, I have made some tough ones. The toughest choice I have made, due to it being the most financially responsible, it that my husband and I live in two different countries. My husband is active duty military and where he is currently stationed, there are no nursing jobs. We see each other every few months. So no..I do NOT sit around just “crossing my fingers”-LOL In addition, the conditions of my hire (time off, benefits, etc) were not realeased until I had agreed to accept the job and signed on the dotted line. This is common practice for a new overseas hire (I am based in Germany) TBH…it had never occured to me that I would experience such a loss of salary/benefits..I take full responsibility for such naivety..and believe…will NEVER make that mistake again.
Finally, I continue in this job because I am passionate about my patients and most importantly, my fellow nurses. The easy plan would be to cut and run. However, at this present I have chosen to stay in order to advocate for my profession and co-workers, and hopefully, improve conditions. I am not ready to abandon such an underserved and underappreciated sector of our population…the only 1% most worth worrying about;-)
You are right..I probably shouldn’t complain or express frustration. But I am not perfect and for that I apologize.
I also apologize to the other posters. I never meant to turn this topic into anything about me..but feel I had to address some of Maria’s assumptions.
And once again..I do NOT begrudge George anything and wish him future success. I was merely expressing my opinion in what I thought was a respectful and nondisruptive manner. I once again, apologize if anyone interpreted my words differently:-)
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Jennifer, I reread your original post and I still don’t see how you deserved such a “beating” when even George, the subject of this post, was nothing but kind, gracious and supportive.
I don’t think you need to apologize. You expressed an opinion, your experience, your truth without violating GRS TOU. We need more more honest people like you. I don’t want GRS comments to turn into a one sided debate.
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Wow Maria, that is a bit harsh. The problem is not with Jennifer’s attitude, but with yours. Jennifer made the conscious decision to fulfill a calling to help our underserved troops. It is unfortunate that some positions are so undervalued that they have to experience such a huge pay cut. And unfortunate that you should suggest that Jennifer stop serving our country if she wants more financial compensation? All across the country, there are people making personal sacrifices to contribute to society, and we need to figure out a fairer way to compensate them!
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Well the article certainly speaks to me – I’m a few days away from paying off my mortgage.
One of my concerns is lifestyle inflation. I don’t mind taking some of the extra cash and having some fun, but I don’t want to burn all of it.
As it happens, I’m in the process of starting a new business – if it’s successful enough, I’ll use the extra cash to help finance it. Otherwise, I’ll just have to figure out how much of the old mortgage payment to save and how much to have fun with.
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Mike,
I agree that this article is about lifestyle inflation. At somepoint the economy is going to turn around. When it does most of us should see an increase in our income. We need to be have a plan like the author about what we are going to do with the extra money. If not, we could see ourselves spending it and going backwards with our finances.
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Well said!
There is way too much hate in response to this article. The OP provides a good example of what to do in the (lucky) case that we increase our incomes. He managed to loosen up and have more fun, while still increasing his savings.
Moreover, it hammers home another point: work on boosting your income!
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I don’t think the economy is going to turn around anytime soon. Many of us missed the boat on getting higher education, buying property, being gainfully employed, etc. Now is the time to work with what we have, but I’m not holding my breath for things to change, maybe only for the worst. Just my opinion.
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And yet not one of my extended family members between 20-30 are unemployed. All have one great job or two regular jobs. None of them have Masters. All have found jobs in this recession.
They do save and live below their means.
It is possible.
I thought the article was well written and proves to be true in my younger family members.
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@Janette – That’s wonderful that your younger family members are employed, I mean that. If they they have a BA/BS, they have one over me – which is a huge advantage. Like I said, some of us really missed the boat.
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Hi Carla – it’s never too late to start something great. There’s no maximum age for any college or university that I know of, and you can start a business at any age. Col. Sanders didn’t start the KFC franchise business until after he turned 65!
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@George – Thank you for the words of wisdom. My fear stems from the debt going to school causes – even going about it the cheapest way possible. My budget doesn’t even allow me to pay for community college classes (even just one per term), if I was going to go that route then transfer to state. I have been looking for ways to get a good portion of it paid off, but its not easy when you’re already in your 30s. Ill keep looking!
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At the end, it sounded like you were looking for suggestions for what to do with the additional surplus you will have from ending your mortgage payment. What about paying it forward? It sounds like you are in a very good financial situation in large part thanks to good choices on your part, but I imagine that somewhere in your history there was a person or an organization that gave you the experience you needed to get where you are now. What about things like funding a scholarship at your alma mater, or talking with the alumni office about offering a matching gift in $X – that way your money has the potential to go twice as far.
I was fortunate to have research experiences in college that gave me the leg up to get into graduate school and ultimately a fairly lucrative career – it’s my goal to someday have enough money to fund a recurring summer research stipend for a student in my old department.
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Paying it forward is an awesome suggestion – one area where we haven’t focused is charitable giving!
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I whole-heartedly agree with paying it forward! I’ve tried to increase my donations as my income has increased, but I know people who feel they have to earn X amount of money before they feel they can give at all. It’s tricky to find that balance, especially when you’re just starting out.
One thing I would suggest is not just to increase cash donations but involve the kids as well. For instance, every year my mom used to take us out to buy toys and stocking stuffers for our church toy drive. She could have written a check, but it helped us understand how lucky we are and how important it is to share what we have. She could have just written a check, but we certainly wouldn’t have learned as much from the experience.
I’d love to fund a scholarship too, but alas that really will have to wait until I get rich
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At first I thought I couldn’t relate to this post either as my personal and financial situation is very different. However, at one point in my career I did experience a jump in income. I know PF wisdom says to save all the extra, but I didn’t — not entirely. In addition to boosting retirement savings, here’s what I did:
- boost my emergency fund. (I suspect George has this covered?)
- increased the amount I donate to church/charity.
- set up a “fun money” account to allow myself a few luxuries while sticking to a tight budget.
- aggressively paid off my student loan (my only debt). Now that money goes towards other savings goals.
I don’t have kids yet, but I agree with other posters that saving for their education would be a priority for me if I were in George’s shoes. George doesn’t mention an RESP or TFSA, but I would max them out if I could.
And kudos, George! I can see how this post might rub some people the wrong way, but I like to think of it as a good news story that offers some balance to the doom and gloom we read about.
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Hi Elizabeth – yes, the emergency fund is fully funded, and we’ve been socking away a few hundred each month into the RESPs (college funds) for the kids all along, which we’ll continue. We haven’t contributed too much to the TFSAs (roughly the Canadian equivalent of a Roth IRA) for the past few years, but will definitely be maxing those accounts once the house is paid off next summer.
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I had a feeling that was the case with the RESP and emergency fund
My vote would be to max out the TFSA every year — we’ll have $20,000 worth of room per person in 2012. Next year, I’m looking to start holding some investments in mine. (It’s a misconception that TFSA are only savings accounts — I suspect you know that, but other readers here might not.)
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To the admin – the link to George’s original 2007 story is incorrect – it should be:
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/09/14/ask-the-readers-am-i-saving-too-much/
It’s interesting to read that article and the comments. A few people (including JD) suggest that paying extra on the mortgage is a bad idea. I find that attitude incomprehensible.
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Haven’t reread it — but since he refers to debts in a comment above, that’s my guess. If you have debts, I’d pay those off as much as possible before paying down on a mortgage.
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Hi Jen – yes, the only debt we have right now is our mortgage, which is on track to be paid off next July if my projections are correct.
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Thanks, Mike. Fixed the link!
And I still think making extra payments on a mortgage are just “icing on the cake”. If doing so makes you unhappy in the present, then it’s best to ease up. You have to find balance between today and tomorrow.
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Mike, I don’t think that paying down a mortgage is a ‘bad’ idea. But I think that using your money elsewhere can often work out better. You can get a very low interest sub 4% mortgage right now. There shouldn’t be a rush to pay down such a low interest loan. If you can do better than 4% elsewhere with your money then paying down the mortgage could be a lower priority. And there are other savings goals I think should be higher priority than paying of a mortgage. For example if someone hasn’t saved enough for retirement then I’d certainly recommend increasing 401k/IRA contributions before paying down a 4% mortgage. Also in the situation where your house is currently underwater then paying down the principal could backfire. If things go band and you were to end up losing that house to foreclosure then you’d likely end up losing that extra principal you paid in. Whereas if you’d kept it elsewhere you could use it to pay mortgage payments and not lose the house.
Of course everyone has different priorities and some people may value a paid off house more than a pile of cash or other things. To each their own. But there are legitimate reasons to prioritize paying down a mortgage lower.
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@Jim – Good points.
One important difference between the US & Canadian systems is that retirement contributions can be carried forward in Canada, but not in the US. So in Canada, one could pay off their mortgage 100% and then save up for retirement using the contribution room from past years.
In the US, it likely makes sense to max out contribution room before making extra mortgage payments.
Another difference is that we don’t have long term fixed mortgage rates like in the US. Up here, you don’t normally lock in for more than 5 years, so you always have that interest rate risk which is a consideration.
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It amazes me how many posters seems to be attacking the author. The point, as I see it, is that if you prepare well, work hard, and yes, have a little luck you CAN increase the income side of the personal finance equation.
The remarks above typify my frustration with the occupy crowd…by and large if you aren’t happy with the income you are making then it is up to you to find a way to change your situation. Sometimes the changes may feel more burdensome than the commensurate increase in salary, but again, this is a personal choice.
As someone at the beginning of my career, I say congratulations to the author. My wife wondered if I wrote the opening paragraph in your article as we too budget and ration each expense. Hopefully in a few years we will be able to say that we are where you are today.
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Why is saying that you don’t relate to the post an attack? Or how is it attacking the author to point out the obvious – that having a high income makes saving and having extra for fun things pretty easy? Or merely pointing out that we are in a recession (arguably a deep depression) and that pay increases are hard to come by these days?
No one has said anything rude or insulting. The message I get from your amazement is that those who don’t agree 100% should just refrain from commenting at all. I doubt J.D. feels that way.
And I really hope someone doesn’t pull the “All those who disagree are just jealous” comment in this thread. That one irks me the most.
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Also, I haven’t seen any of the comments as ‘attacks’ in any way, shape, or form. In typical Canadian fashion, I’m happy to get any and all feedback and will accept it with a polite smile.
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I do not regard myself as “attacking” the author at all. I in no way engaged in rude or insulting behavior…which is what I would define as “attacking”.
And in no way do I identify with the Occupy Movement….I’m not sure how that is even pertinent to the discussion. Actually, I am a Ron Paul supporting die hard Libertarian if truth be told. Therefore, I will continue to excise my freedom/liberty to disagree with and question the article:-D
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I don’t think anyone is ‘attacking’ the author here.
Some people are saying that they find it hard to relate or take away a lesson from a story from someone getting 10% average annual income increases during the past 3 years. The vast majority of people haven’t gotten similar pay increases.
I don’t know why you think this has anything to do with “the occupy crowd”.
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I agree that people are being way too hard on the author. They read that he had improved his financial situation, and then were disappointed when he said that he did it by boosting his income.
That’s how it’s done, folks.
I also see the connection you’re attempting to draw to OWS – basically, lower-income people hating on higher-income people. But that is just a fundamental misunderstanding of the movement, which actually wants to:
1. Provide a venue for the 99% of lower-income Americans to air their grievances and be listened to, rather than being drowned out by lobbyists. That’s why there was no “demand list” – 99% is a lot of people, all with different problems. OWS just wanted to create the space for them to be heard.
2. Oppose the systemic imbalances that have made it SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT for people to do exactly what you’re saying – work hard, and get ahead.
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Why do I suspect that those who can’t relate to the article won’t ever be in George’s posiiton? Not his income position, but in the position where they’re as disciplined and seeing the fruit of that?
The point is we should be congratulating George and be inspired by the example. Anything else is sour grapes. Maybe it takes us 10 years longer, but he started earlier. He and his family made their own luck through hard work and persistance.
Contgratulations!
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Thanks Jeff!
It has indeed been a long haul – we started making extra payments on the mortgage as soon as we were able to – probably after we were in the house for less than a year. The extra payments started very small ($50 here and there) but increased as our incomes went up. We took advantage of every extra payment option that we could, and now we’re on the downhill slide where most of our payments are going to principal instead of interest.
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It sounds like you’ve thought ahead and done right by your family. Your path may be different than mine, but that’s my goal too.
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Our take-home pay is less than 1/3 of your 2007 level of income, and my girlfriend and I couldn’t be happier. Granted, we’re not in a position to do everything that we should be doing, but we still manage to get by, pay our bills, eat well, and have a ton of fun.
To be honest, if I had your level of income, nothing would change in my life except for the fact that I’d be able to save a bunch more money for the future. No fancy bottles of wine for me.
Anyway, good work. Enjoy!
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While my wife and I do enjoy our weekly bottle of wine, I don’t think I’d qualify it as “fancy” wine – it’s rare that we get a bottle that costs more than $10!
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I’m like you, except house paid off.
I’m going out this week and buy myself a brand new 2012 touring motorcycle. Can’t wait.
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Although I’m a long ways off from being in George’s position, I think it’s smart to apply the “automatic savings” principles to extra cash flow, otherwise you may end up blowing it on things you may regret later.
Obviously one thing I would do is stockpile some significant cash, some in a bank, others in taxable investments (tax-efficient taxable investments). This will provide a nice phycological cushion. It also gives you some “screw you” money later in life. Don’t want to retire really early but would rather work part time and f more time with family and friends? No problem.
Then, the rest is the fun part. Apply the rest of the money to charitable giving, hobbies, other fun things. This is up to you to decide.
I would apply an automatic savings percentage formula to your extra cash flow, based on your mortgage payments. Say 40% goes to saving, 15% to charity, then the rest goes to hobbies or desires based on your wishes. For me it would be 20% travel, 25% towards buying waterfront property
Enjoy the position you’re in, but don’t forget that, even though you worked hard for this, you’re lucky and should never forget that when deciding what to do with your excess cash.
Congratulations, let us know what you decide to do!
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I find I can really relate. When my family started to get good raises at work in the last few years, we had to consciously choose what to do with the extra income. It’s so easy to fall into lifestyle inflation. We decided to fund a large (for us) emergency fund and direct everything else to student debt. Fast forward to last year, we found ourselves expecting baby number two. We decided that the first year I would stay home with the baby. Thank goodness for our fully funded emergency fund because it gave me the confidence to think we would be all right with this. I spent the pregnancy funding targeted saving funds for the hospital bill, one year of student loan payments, one year of diapers and incidentals, and six months of daycare payments when I was ready to go back to work. Baby is four months old now and we are doing well, with a couple of hiccups here and there (in NICU for almost a week). Bringing it back to topic, it’s great to fight lifestyle inflation and that’s what I see in the OP. thanks for the story.
Full disclosure: my family has above average income when we are both working.
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Thanks for sharing your story again, George! I’m glad to hear that you guys have found some balance.
You guys four years ago sound like me four years ago – I saved so much that I would get mad at myself sometime for spending money on things I wanted, even though I had pretty low expenses and pretty good income.
Now that I’ve taken some steps back and actually set up a spending plan (versus not having one) with all of the things that I both need and want to spend money on each month, I’m still saving a ton (though my income has increased significantly) including maxing out my retirement accounts, but I am spending money on the things that make me happy like the occasional dinner out with friends or joining a new gym without worrying too much about the cost. Balance is super important.
Congrats on being so close to having your mortgage paid off! That must feel amazing
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George,
Your take home pay is double the income my wife and I bring home. And we make over $130,000 per year.
You max out your retirement accounts. You make larger mortgage payments. You increase your investments. You’re doing everything right. You damn well deserve to have a nice bottle of wine every week. Congrats!
Everyone else: He’s at the stage of personal finance that everyone wants to be at. You’re not. Deal. George certainly did.
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Yes, let’s be happy for George. It’s awesome to hear such a good story.
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Great job George. Once your mortgage is paid off, I would suggest putting the same amount into a separate “opportunity” savings account. As it grows, start looking for investment or life opportunities. It may be years before the perfect one comes along, but when it does, you can grab it. I understand that Warren Buffet has large cash amounts for just this reason. In a personal example:
For years we had dreamed about moving to the country but needed a specific location. I found a piece of land that fit our criteria and we were able to purchase it within a week because we already knew exactly what we wanted and had the cash for a large down payment. There was another offer the same day for more money. If we had needed time to prepare for our offer, we would not have the land.
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Well done George!
I’d consider the option of either your wife or yourself (or both!) dropping down to an 80% workweek or taking unpaid vacation days or something similar. You’ve got a couple of fairly young kids that would probably appreciate more time spent with their parents?
Even if you really love your jobs – and it sounds like you do – once kids get a little older and you’re driving them around to activities etc., it’s wonderful to have days off during the week when you can do things like go skiing – or to a waterpark – on days when it isn’t a madhouse. Or taking the time to pursue a hobby – or for you and your wife to enjoy a 3 hour lunch out while the kids are in school.
This might not be a consideration for you now since you’re still pretty young, but I think most people find that once they hit their 40′s, they often want time more than money or other / more things.
BUT if you do want to do or have more things… what I recently did was make up a list of higher priced things that I wanted to do or get and made a tentative schedule for when it would happen. It’s pretty easy to blow $5k/year on paper – now just to stick to the plan…
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Thanks so much for the suggestion to reduce our work weeks. It’s definitely something we’ve considered. We like our jobs, but value being able to spend time with the kids too!
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Very inspiring post, George!
You both have your dream jobs, are consciously spending and saving, are able to have some family fun, and you’re about to have more cash freed up. How freeing and exciting! I’d love to read more success posts like this to keep me motivated with the un-glamorous frugality and savings every month.
Thanks for your inspiring story, George!
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Thanks for the kind words! That was exactly the intent of the article – to show that it is possible to achieve success despite the constant doom-and-gloom economic news.
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Thanks for sharing your situation! I actually could relate to the article much more than all the articles on GRS about trying to save 50 cents a month on shampoo or whatever. Making good decisions about money is important for everyone even those who have good careers & incomes.
Good for you for making the decision NOT to “trade up” for a more expensive house, which is what most people in your position would do with their increased income. Instead you used most of your increased income to save and pay down mortgage debt. That is so sensible, and is excellent advice! I also appreciated the advice of spending a small fraction of the increased income on “family fun” activities–small rewards that have a big payoff in terms of happiness and relationships. Kudos to you!
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When I first read this article, I thought “This doesn’t apply to me.” Because one level, the article is basically this: Make more money and you can pay off your mortgage faster.
But on the other hand, I think George brings up some good points. He didn’t increase his personal spending all that much to match the raises, and I think that’s a trap people get into – they make more, so they feel they “deserve” more fun stuff. More fancy meals, nicer clothes, new electronics, expensive vacations, etc.
It sounds like George and his wife live WELL below their means, and they’re reaping the benefits. Sure, they make time for fun treats, but they’re mostly keeping their eyes on the future by paying off their mortgage. Well done, and I think it’s a take-home lesson anyone can learn.
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Congratulations on your progress and better balance achievement!
While it’s wonderful that your income has increased and is a testament to your hard work, the comment I’d like to add is that middle class income overall has been declining since 1999 and is now about where it was in 1996. In this context, your progress is even more impressive (and anomalous!)
But what about the many families whose incomes have declined or stayed flat over the past 15 years while the cost of living continues to rise? Any thoughts in the GRS community about how these people might make the sort of financial progress that George has made? Are some just not working hard enough? Are some spending too much on unneeded gadgets and consumer goods? Did many lock themselves into dying industries early on? I don’t know the answers, just interested.
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Hi George,
I appreciate your story. My husband and I are just a few weeks away from being out of consumer debt,and can then start socking more away, paying down our mortgage early, etc. We are getting a late start, as we are 38 and 43.
I’ve got a nosy question. When you list your biweekly income figures, what does that include/exclude? Are certain things pulled out of that figure – health insurance premiums, retirement funds, taxes, etc. in Canada? Do you then deduct your children’s education fund, your retirement funds, etc. from that number? Which of your investment/savings funds are included or not when you bring home the $4,500? I hope this makes sense and no worries if you don’t fee comfortable answering.
Kudos to you, J.D. and the others on this site who are trying to do the best with the money they make, however much it is. I think what makes most people happy is the ability to make choices, and the less debt you have, the less “dumb stuff” you do, the more freedom of choice you have. To work less, stay home, travel, work harder, go back to school, etc. Thanks for sharing your story.
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The biweekly incomes are the rounded totals of our combined paycheques – it’s what we bring home every two weeks after deductions.
Our payroll deductions include dental and health insurance plans, disability insurance, CPP (Canada Pension Plan – the Canadian version of Social Security), EI (Employment Insurance), contributions to our employer pensions, and income taxes.
We contribute to our investment accounts (RRSPs, TFSAs, RESPs) with the take-home pay, although we do get a deduction for the RRSP contributions when we do our yearly income tax returns.
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Thanks, George. That’s most helpful and frank info. Best to you,
Mrs. K.
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First, good job! Here are some more thoughts:
travel – take your kids around the world so they learn firsthand about it
cars – start a replacement fund for your car and car for the kids
rental income – look into real estate
work on building passive income
best of luck
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To quote Dave Ramsey, “Live like no one else so you can live like no one else [later]“. Stop complaining and keep steady. By the way you describe your problem – you and your wife do not have any problems! I am impressed that you are able to have such financial discipline to be at your state but do not think of it as sacrifice. Discipline is what most Americans lack nowadays due to the onslaught of daily temptations and ‘Jonesing’; you and your wife have been much more disciplined than most of your peers. You and your wife have set a goal in mind: home paid off by 35. Stick to it and write back when you have paid off your home next year – it is a personal finance blog after all!
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Hi Anne – Thanks for the kind words. Indeed it feels like discipline more than sacrifice. It’s odd that you quote Dave Ramsey – we’ve listened to his podcast off and on to get motivation to pay off our house. Once we’ve accomplished that goal, we’re thinking of doing a vacation to Nashville so that we can yell “We’re debt free!” live from his broadcasting studio!
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Hi George – congrats on getting to where you are – I certainly wish I were in your financial shoes
. If I were you I would go with what others have said – more time with the kids, more travel so that your kids see more of the world and giving back in some form that has meaning to you…
My question for you – what does your family spend on food (grocery and restaurant) per month? Just curious as that is one area that I struggle with.
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Hi Jen – for the past twelve months our averages are $754/mo for groceries (includes some miscellaneous non-grocery items like cleaning supplies and toiletries), $225/month for dining out, $84/month for delivery/takeout food, and $156/month on convenience coffee/snack foods. For our family of four, it works out to about $10/person/day.
Over the past four years, our annual food expense (all the above combined) has increased every year, mostly because we’re eating out more often and indulging the latte habit more often. In 2008 our total food expense was $13310, 2009 was $14866, 2010 was $15564, and 2011 YTD is $13865.
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Thanks for the specifics George – that’s very helpful to hear what others are doing! We are at about $10.19/person/day at our home too.
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Please ignore the nay-sayers. This is a good blueprint of how to balance frugality, saving, and keeping one’s sanity. I don’t think the salary increases are unrealistic at all. If you are married, odds are one of you will be getting the occasional promotion. This was true of me and DH. We kept “reallocating” our raises to new goals, like college funding, Roths, etc. that we weren’t able to do at lower earning levels.
Of course now that we’re one income and 3rd baby is coming any day, everything has adjusted again (suspending the Roth funding and college savings).
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My husband and I have much more money now than we used to have – due to a side job, salary rises, some inherited money and the fact that our children have finished their education and earn their own living. What we both have found, my husband even more than I do, is that we are so used to watch our finances that we don´t want to spend more money. May be it´s our age (we are both around 60), but ever so often I look at something I would have loved to buy ten years ago and I think “what am I going to do with it?” So our small indulgences amount to about 100€ per month.
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If I found myself in your situation, and I lag but am pretty much on the same path. I wouldn’t move if I didn’t have to, but I would upgrade the home in ways that make it more practical and enjoyable. I would avoid quirky weirdo things, but mass appeal things that will appreciate the value can make a lot of sense. For example kitchen renovation (with your money habits I assume your home has a working kitchen.) Funny how alot of homes are built with a for looks kitchen. Or how about garage shelves, built-ins, patio type stuff? I have a wood fireplace, but no truck, woodlot, chainsaw or backyard shed. I live in suburbia, and one of these days I’m going to pay a plumber to run gas to my fireplace and an electrician to run electric. Then good bye fireplace hello insert– but that’s just me.
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Hi Wearsunscreen – we’re definitely thinking of doing a few repairs/upgrades to our house once the mortgage is gone. The flooring is in dire need of replacement, and our fence is starting to fall apart so it’ll probably need to get rebuilt.
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I would put the excess money into 3 things:
- 529 plan for college for the kids
- a small fund for each kid to receive around the time they’re looking to go to either graduate school or purchase a house
- your favorite local charity or cause
The first one is obvious. The second, I was fortunate enough to receive a one-time gift from my parents of 100k, which allowed me and my husband to purchase a home with almost 30% down and move across the country without worrying about the cost. This was a couple months ago and I’m 32; getting it years earlier wouldn’t have been as useful or valued and, as parents, you get the joy of giving while you’re around to see it.
As for the last one, we plan on paying our mortgage off in about 10 years. With the excess, we will be buying undeveloped land and donating it to land trusts to prevent urban sprawl from decimating the environment further. That’s our charity of choice!
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I like your story because I think it’s the perfect example of the transition phase from a debtor to a true saver with a positive net worth. And what to do now.
My wife and I started doing a balance sheet just so we could have a number. When you have debt balances you’re watching go down and disappear, it’s pretty easy to see that and feel like you’re making progress. By adding up our assets, we can track our savings grow.
For our savings, I’m pretty hard core stocks only for savings. I do dividend buy – and – hold, I know there’s some die hard index investors. Pick one strategy and go with it. Peter Lynch has his Beating the Street book which I think is a great reason why you should just go 100% stocks (Though his is strategy is more growth investing).
Whatever you do, if it’s not an index (Which itself is in 100-5000 stocks/bonds), I’d shoot for 20 chunks of whatever at a minimum. I lost 20% on BP last year, they had great financials, but stuff happens. I could have easily continued to hold it because the companies business/financials are still good (I know people on the Gulf may not like the company) but Vodafone was too great a value at the time so I had to buy that.
My point with that is, stuff will happen in Bonds or Stocks, Houses, or the Price of Gold, so too much in a single place is very risky. And prices can move very quickly in modern times. So having 5% of your savings in one thing that goes down 20% is still only 1% of your total.
But the balance sheet, every 2 weeks – 3 months gives you a good check up. I haven’t found the sweet spot for how often myself, but it gives my wife and I something to track now that our debts are taken care of. It also brings everything together so our 401K, Roths, home improvements on the house, are all tracked in one place. I decided to buy a car last year, that certainly showed in the balance sheet as well. Another one of my friends who is self-employed, he does his daily.
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To anyone who says that pay raises (or whatever it is you want) are not possible, please read this article. It was very timely considering the tone of some of the comments here.
http://www.contrarianconsulting.com/it%E2%80%99s-not-your-mother%E2%80%99s-fault/
Simply stating, “It’s just not possible to get a raise in this economy” doesn’t do any good. I agree that it may be difficult, but if you perform well in your position, there is no reason that you shouldn’t be able to.
We all make our own choices. And we all need to accept responsibility for those choices.
As Henry Ford once said, Whether you think you can, or you think you can’t–you’re right.”
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Congratulations on making your system work for your family! I think it is great to have stories like this on GRS. I am in a very similar situation and have just recently transitioned to spending additional funds on the present because I am sure that my financial future is on track to being very secure and very comfortable.
As for your question about what to do with your money now, this is something that I think about a great deal these days. One concept that I keep coming back to is the lasting value of a vacation home. I have watched so many older relatives in my family transition from one house to another to keep up with the present status of their lives, meanwhile paying realtor fees and moving fees and other costly expenses each time. The general path goes from a starter house in their twenties, a larger house as the family expands with kids and Stuff, a smaller house as they move into retirement and cannot maintain upkeeep, and finally, a nursing home or a relative’s house for their final years. Each move is expensive, and often the final move places a great deal of responsibility on the family’s children to clean out and sell the house after a parent moves to his or her final abode.
Investing in a vacation house brings many benefits. First, of course, is the enjoyment your family derives from using it in the present. Whether it is a slope-side condo, a cabin by the lake, or a house by the beach, you receive instant returns by using the house for fun and by building lasting memories there with your children and eventually their children. Another way it can bring returns is by renting it to other vacationers. While you may not be able to recoup the full mortgage value by renting the property, if you purchase a property in a popular enough destination, you will have this as an option to increase your income at least a bit.
Finally, a vacation home is not something that you sell as you transition to another life stage. It is something that you maintain in the family for years, decades, generations. You leave your children an enormous gift (a paid-off vacation home!) as well as years of beautiful memories of family, fun, and wise financial choices.
The biggest challenge in pursuing this investment is deciding the location of this vacation home… Good luck!
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“Lasting value” being very subjective in this case. I do not equate additional responsibility (upkeep, repairs, etc.) with vacation at all, and would never subject my family to that sort of additional responsibility, either.
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I’ve begun to explore a new way to retire at my blog, which is basically telling your retirement adviser to take a hike.
I would buy a piece of land out west, put up a fully self sustainable home (solar, geothermal, well, etc), then learn gardening and how to care for goats and chickens.
Then when your kids graduate high school, you could move full time to your homestead and be totally self reliant and not dependent on anyone. If you sold your paid-for house, you’d probably have enough money to not worry about anything for ten years. If you rented it, you’d have an income stream.
This will take you 5-10 years to get it right, but when you do, I think it will pay off more than any portfolio.
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Congratulations George!
Here are a few things that caught my eye …
1. I am jealous … since you’re able to enjoy a waterpark visit … in December
I wish Canada was warmer
2. While there is no doubt that very few “common” families have experienced a 35% growth in after tax income over the past 4 years, it is not fair to knock you or your employment situation. The key is that you live within your means. Even if you had not received any “pay-hikes”, you would still be comfortable financially. And that is solely because you are careful with your money. The extra cash has only helped allow you to “enjoy” life.
3. Finding financial balance is very important and actually not that easy. And there is no one-size fits all approach. Everyone needs to find their confort zone.
- MO
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The blog software ate one of my replies because it said I was ‘posting too fast – slow down’ or words to those effect.
I posted a comment #116 at 5 minutes past the hour and then hit submit on the next comment at 11 past the hour.
6 minutes between replies is too fast? I think the software needs some tweaking. Spammers don’t post that slow.
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I like reading GRS precisely for the variety of posts covering people in different financial situations. There is something be learned from reading other people’s experiences regardless of whether or not you are in the same boat. In fact, once reason I’m in a much better financial position at this point in my life is because I’ve tried to glean pearls of wisdom from people who are more successful or in a better position than I am.
My family is in a similar situation to George’s. In the past five years, my wife and I have completely turned around our finances through both sacrifice and increasing our earnings. We are not wealthy or ready to retire 20 years early, but rather are now in a position where we have enough cushion to take a risk in order to better our lives. We are no longer living paycheck to paycheck, and that means we need to decide what to do with this extra money we’ve worked so hard for.
We’ve talked about buying a house, opening a business, travelling, etc. Ultimately, we decided my wife is going to quit her relatively secure job to stay at home with our one year old son and (hopefully) our next child for the next four or five years. Currently we are learning to live off of my income alone (tough as she makes as much as I do) and tucking away her pay until she quits sometime next year. We are going to use the money we’ve saved up as a safety net to literally buy some time back for our relationship and family. This is a big risk on our part for many reasons, but one we have put ourselves in a position to take. I hope it works out!
George, what is the next big dream for your family? It sounds like you are living a balanced life of saving for tomorrow and enjoying today. What’s the next step for your family?
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Hi Jay – that’s a really good question. I think there are plenty of answers, and what we’ll need to do is prioritize what comes first. We’d like to take a few vacations, because we haven’t had any major trips in several years. We’d like to do some renovations to our house, mostly to fix up some things that have hit the end of their service life. Beyond that, we’ll probably increase our charitable donations and figure out what the next step should be, money-wise.
No matter how much money you have, there will always be three choices: save it, spend it, or give it away, but within those options there are so many choices!
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Congrats, George!
I must admit, we’re in a similar financial place. We paid off our mortgage this summer, and figuring out what to do with that money is a challenge. Our current plan is:
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1) Maxing out our retirement savings
2) Maxing out contributions to our children’s 529 plans (we live in IN, and you get a 20% tax credit, up to $1000–hard to beat a 20% return the first year
3) Giving more. We currently support two missionaries we personally know–one is a social worker with experience in foster homes in the US who is now working in an orphanage in Mexico, and the other is an OT working in a slum in Costa Rica. We also give to organizations we believe in.
4) Targetted savings. For a while I had an account marked as “sabbatical”, as I’m going on sabbatical next year and will get half my pay. However, I obtained funding for the other half of my salary, so that account has become the “new car fund”, since our cars are a 2004 (which we gave to my BIL to use when he lost his job and company car) and a 2006.
5) Beyond that, it is hard how to wisely use our money and not suffer from lifestyle inflation. DH has picked up a wine habit ($10-20/bottle, though) that I wish he hadn’t…
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I really enjoy hearing these real life stories. It helps keep me on track, to see that making that extra mortgage payment is worth it but not forgetting to enjoy the present.
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I was late to this article, so my apologies if this has already been posted, but how about some taxable accounts with safe dividend payers (like JNJ, ATT, etc.)? Sock enough money away and they’ll start paying a considerable amount of income.I also liked the idea of contributing significant gifts to charities important to you. Don’t forget that time volunteered can be as important as money, too!
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Not sure I get the point of this article. You didn’t have enough money to spend and through raises over the past 4 years now you are more comfortable in your finances. Was this article to brag about your increased income? Not much can be learned from this article. Not alot of helpful advice other than work hard and hope your employer recognizes this hard work with increased pay.
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Hi PFS – There are a couple of points – one is that it is possible to increase your income, even through a recession. The second is that it’s possible to fight lifestyle inflation. Third is that the goal is to find balance between saving and spending, between tomorrow and today.
The goal of the article was not, in any way, to brag about our income.
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I disagree with your comments. There is much to be learned from this article. Even when we come into good fortune, it is important to plan for the next phase. You set a goal, reach it and then set a higher goal. The worst thing to do is become complacent with where you are and quit. These goals can include: adding to your emergency fund, saving for kids’ college, donating time or money to charity, or saving more for retirement. The goal of financial freedom is a journey not a destination. Once you have reached a point where you are financially free, you can focus your efforts in other areas such as helping others and doing the things that make you and your family happiest.
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I was in a similar situation two years ago. My spouse and I gave it a lot of thought and decided to change our lives drastically. We sold our big house (which was way too big for the two of us and our daughter) and moved to a house with 1/3 of the space of the bigger one. I switched jobs to another one in the same line of work, but with less stress (and about 25% less $), and we’ve focused on getting our house paid off in less than 2 years. We’ll be done paying next year. In addition to doing some nice (but not extravagant) upgrades to our little house, we’ve also been putting money aside for a house maintenance fund and saving for new cars, which we’ll need in the next five years or so (our current cars are 10 and 7 years old, but still very reliable).
We realized that we really wanted to slow down the pace of our lives and enjoy our family and friends. After the house is paid off, we’ll have no debt, and I can work part time if I choose to (my partner does not want to work part time). I am a big fan of Your Money Or Your Life, and financial independence is my goal.
In the past three years we have lost 10 people who we loved, most too young and unexpectedly. It made us wish that we had spent more time with them, and we realized that we just assumed that they (and we) would always be here.
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Having some fun is a tough one for me too, especially since the financial situation is usually pretty murky. I’ve been trying to lighten up and go out more and allow myself to spend on things I want, but I still lean toward pinching pennies. Hopefully my income will grow too, so I can add more fun stuff without affecting my financial goals.
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