Ask the Readers: How Can I Talk to My Parents about Money?
Published on - December 22nd, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) In many families, money is a taboo subject. It’s not something that’s discussed openly. But this weekend, as people gather to celebrate Christmas, there will be lots of opportunities to bring up the topic with parents — and other loved ones. But how do you do it? That’s what Sean wants to know.
He feels it’s important to understand his parents’ finances, but they’re not willing to share. What should he do? Here’s Sean’s question:
I’m a sophomore in college. My father sold a company several years ago and now has a small business selling things online. Because of my father’s previous income, I don’t qualify for any financial aid, including loans. However, I know that he no longer makes much money anymore. I’m worried that all of my father’s income is going to paying to my tuition and living expenses (about $50,000 a year). I have a strong suspicion that he’s drawing from his savings to pay for my tuition, and it’s only going to get worse because my brother will be attending college next year.
My parents tell me not to worry and have kept a strict policy of not telling me how much my father earns. My father is financially responsible, but his focus is on increasing income rather than on decreasing expenses. My worry is that I’m being a drain on my family’s savings.
How can I ask my parents and get a straight answer about their financial situation?
There are actually two issues here.
- The first is Sean’s concern that he’s a financial burden on his family. That’s worth an entire column itself, but for today I’ll simply encourage Sean to do what he can to actively decrease this burden by applying for scholarships and earning as much money as he can on his own. (It can be done. My parents couldn’t afford to send me to school, so I funded my entire college education through scholarships and lots of off-campus work.)
- Today, though, I want to talk about Sean’s second question: How can he get his parents to discuss their financial situation?
My own family has always been relatively open about money. When I was growing up, my parents weren’t shy about letting us know there wasn’t much of it. I can remember looking at their tax returns when I was in high school (though they didn’t make much sense at the time). Before my father died in 1995, he explained how he was structuring the business and the income stream for my mother. That said, there was still a mess to untangle when I took over my mother’s finances while she was in the hospital this summer. (Now, though, I have them running like clockwork!)
My wife’s family is a little less open. It’s not that they’re secretive, but until recently, they just didn’t share details. After the crisis with my mother this summer, though, Kris and her sister sat down and point-blank asked their parents for the information they felt they needed. Over the past several months, the entire family has been swapping account numbers and balances so that if anything happens, somebody can step in to take care of things.
Really, though, Sean isn’t asking about the mechanics of sharing. He’s asking how to get people to talk about money in the first place. How can you get your parents to open up when they steadfastly refuse to do so?
I think it’s important to approach this in an almost clinical manner — not an emotional one. This is business, and it’s important business. If I were in his shoes, I might forward the recent reader story from Jody, whose father involved her in the entire estate-planning process. That story demonstrates the advantages of being open about your financial situation, and the advantages of involving the family in the process.
Have you introduced the subject of money with your parents? How do you get them to talk plainly about their financial situation? Or did you? What advice can you give Sean for talking about money in a way that won’t make his parents feel threatened? If you were in his shoes, what would you do?
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Tuition has risen faster than inflation for decades. Comparisons to the experiences of those who attended college several decades ago are far enough off the mark that they risk just being insulting. It may be true that it used to be possible to work one’s way through college, but Sean’s family is paying $50,000 a year. Even the most hardworking, initiative-taking student is only going to be able to put a small dent in that kind of bill. On the cost-saving side, a more realistic suggestion would be to transfer to a public university, if there is a good one in your state.
If you want to stay at this college, you need to apply for financial aid. You seem to be assuming that you won’t get it, based on your family’s previous income, but you don’t know until you apply. And the process of applying will uncover the financial information that you seek, since your parents will need to fill out the FAFSA.
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I wonder how accurate Sean’s number are. When his father sold the business, did Sean never fill out the FAFSA? Uni financial aid officers tell you to let them know when circumstances change. Selling one’s source of income certainly fits that description.
I disagree with the advice to transfer to a public uni. Public universities are no longer the bargain they once were; some have tuitions approaching those of private schools. They have far more required classes that are not part of one’s major, making the time to graduate longer than 4 years. In NJ, Rutgers College takes over 6 years on average, because every time the state adds a required course, the students already enrolled must scramble to fit it into their schedule. In addition, there are courses required for some majors that have 3 years of pre-req courses– and are offered once every 3 years. if you’re out of sync, you’re sunk. If you change majors, you’re looking at a long stretch of time in college.
Public universities also have little financial aid outside of what is supplied by the state.
I write the above as the parent of 2, one who went to Rutgers and one who goes to private uni. The one who goes to private uni will be graduating this May with less than half the debt of her sister, thanks to having received scholarships.
Better tactic for Sean is to find work on campus to be self-supporting for room and board.
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It’s unfortunate that Sean probably won’t get the maximum financial aid package his college probably can offer. Those usually are given to first year students with their acceptance letter to get them into the college. The packages thereafter for a qualified student aren’t usually drastically less but once the student is involved in the college they’re probably more likely to take out loans to continue.
But, Sean and any student who is “on the line” so to speak to qualify for financial aid should apply EVERY YEAR. Financial aid for school year 2012-13 will be based on the family’s tax returns from 2011, 13-14 on 2011, and so on.
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That’s only true at schools with cruddy endowments. Schools with good endowments meet financial need no matter which year it is. My senior year of college was actually free. My sister got a lot more aid when my mom’s salary decreased. Some schools play those financial aid games, but not all of them do.
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I go to Rutgers, and I’m going to be graduating in 3.5 years. The “state” has no control over university graduation requirements, only high school graduation requirements. The individual colleges and departments each control their degree/major/minor requirements, and these stay the same from the point of entry into a particular college/department. In my experience, most people who do not graduate in four years do so because they change majors, transfer between schools or are incredibly ambitious and want to graduate with three or four majors. I also know many people who graduate semesters early, or even after three years. Public universities, especially those as large as Rutgers, give you this flexibility, while most private schools (esp. liberal arts colleges) are much more rigidly structured around four years. Rising costs are still definitely an issue, but I have been pretty satisfied with financial aid and scholarships, and I cut my own expenses by living off-campus without a meal plan.
Also, to Sean, you can always fill out the FAFSA!!!!! No matter how much money you make!!! Often times, you have to fill out the FAFSA to get merit scholarships. Financial aid accommodates changing living situations as well. It only relies on the previous year’s tax information, not salary histories of your parents (though it does take into account savings & assets). You should explain that you NEED THEIR TAX RETURNS in order to fill out the FAFSA. Almost everyone fills it out. This is standard operating procedure for college students and their parents across the country. Even though you think you automatically aren’t qualified for financial aid, how in the world would you know if you don’t know your parents’ financial situation to begin with?
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Thanks you someone who is a current student at Rutger’s replied! I went there about 10 years ago and managed to get two DEGREES (B.S Electrical Engineering, B.S Computer Sciene with a Psych minor) in 4.5yrs. Anyone that was having a hard time graduating in 4 was either working their way through school – so they had a lower course load – but was able to work, or partying their way through school – same low course load but no income. I only worked summers but I sure partied plenty during the school year. Sorry – truth hurts…
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Agree with everyone about filling out a FAFSA asap – you could even do it now to potentially receive aid for the 2011-12 school year, and then do the new one available Jan. 1st for the 2012-13 year.
A huge misconception is that people assume they won’t even qualify for a federal student loan. Unless you have grants/scholarships to cover your entire cost of attendance, virtually EVERYONE who completes the requirements of a FAFSA can get a federal loan for $5500 or more in undergrad!! Loan is a four-letter word to some, but federal student loans are the BEST way to go if you need them, and only available through the FAFSA.
I can’t comment with any certainty on the parent issue because mine have always kept their financial lives secret from me, a family legacy which I don’t plan on repeating.
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I agree with completing the FAFSA as soon as possible. My parents’ circumstances changed before my senior year of college, and we didn’t fill out the FAFSA until the middle of fall semester, yet we were approved for federal loans for the spring semester. Give it a shot!
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So true about the cost of college! There is almost no way you can work your way through college like people used to. Even if you went recently, things have drastically changed.
I worked 30-40 hours a week and that paid for my rent(no on campus housing), some small amount of food and supplies. My working paid for none of my schooling.
I begged for money and got about 50k in scholarship money, but when it costs 30k a year for a 5 year program, it doesn’t go far.
I barely slept through college years since I was in a very intensive program and school itself required a lot of hours.
I would really like it if people started to realize, college is a fortune, public or private and you can no longer work summers or part time to pay for it. Those that did need to get off their “I worked, so can you stance” and realize what is going on in the higher education field.
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When my parents were students forty years, summer jobs actually paid a decent amount! Now you’re lucky if you can find something nominally over minimum wage.
Many of the “good jobs” go to people willing to stay on throughout the year, so sometimes it can help to work a shift a week just to keep your seniority for the summer. (If you’re lucky enough to live in one place the whole year, that is — I wasn’t!)
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I just want to add another plug for the local community college. It may be too late for this student as he is finishing up his sophomore year, but students can save $10,000s by starting off at a community college.
Some private colleges also have students complete the CSS inventory in addition to the FAFSA and it does way assets a little more than the FAFSA, but this still shouldn’t stop them from filling out the FAFSA.
I would agree with some others on while the student is still in college the parents do have the right to be private about their finances. I don’t believe this is the best thing to do as I think they can help him with his financial literacy, but I still think it is their right.
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The talk to have isn’t about whether a child is a burden (honestly, what a notion!) but how a child can help aging parents manage money before dementia, blindness, other infirmity strikes.
In addition, parents should assure children that parents have been saving adequately for retirement (assuming parents have been responsible by saving for retirement as they should).
If parents haven’t spoken about retirement plans, this might be a good thing to bring up- but maybe not at the holidays.
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He could try bringing up the subject in a context that is not directly related to him.
“I read an article about…”
“My friend so-and-so just experienced a problem because….”
“I saw a statistic that said…”
Personally, I find that the first sentence or two are the hardest to get out. This can be a nice transition into talking about something personal.
I suspect that once they start talking that his parents will be relieved to have this all out in the open.
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I do agree. You just need to be calm in telling them. If they don’t want to talk about it, then just don’t push the issue.
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My mother was very reluctant to talk about matters like this (which I think she saw, in a protective way, as something she didn’t want her children to worry about) until I put it in the context of HELPING her children by sharing information. And it took a few attempts to get her to begin sharing.
Rather than framing the conversation as a request from me for information, I brought it up obliquely, by explaining that some of my friends has taken me aside recently and advised me to have a talk with my mother about finances and future plans, because they hadn’t done that with their parents and had then had a heck of a time later on in life when their parents were in financial trouble and their options for offering help were limited. That scenario approach (‘Look what happened to my friends!’) helped my mother to see that sharing information with her daughters would be a help rather than a burden to them.
I don’t know if such an approach will work for your parents, but if you don’t get any better ideas I would encourage you to give it a shot. Good luck!
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JD…I agree with you about the matter-of-fact approach. I recently did that with my dad regarding what would happen with his house when my parents passed. Just kept it objective and detached…stayed away from the whole death thing.
At the same time, a person has to keep in mind that YOU COULD TRY THE TOP TEN PROVEN METHODS FOR COMMUNICATING ON DIFFICULT TOPICS and that person can still choose not to tell you a thing! I have a coaching/ counseling background so we would say you can’t control anyone! The only part you can control is how much you rely on them financially.
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We raised the issue with one set of parents, after hearing a really alarming offhand comment that implied they had very little saved for retirement, and what we learned was that the couple didn’t even share information between them – one held all the info, the other had no idea.
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A sophmore in college trying to have this conversation with his parents is much much different than JD or Kris with theirs. If they haven’t shared financial info so far I don’t think they will start with someone they still view as a kid. The best he can do in this situation is talk to his parents about HIS FEELINGS (feeling like a burden etc.). Then he’ll have to take his parents at their word (if they tell him it’s not a burden perhaps it is not). Having the talk as an older adult in several years will be different.
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I agree with you there. It’s a totally different beast when your parents are still paying your way. My parents re-did their wills after my siblings and I were through university and able to support ourselves. That’s when we had the later in life/retirement conversation. It’s a separate issue from the OP’s.
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This. I was in a similar situation to Sean’s when I went through college, and I only get bits and pieces of information about how my parents are doing financially through my mom. Now that I’m a productive member of society she’s told me where all the bank info is, etc., but I suspect that’s all I’m getting out of them until I need to actually take care of their accounts when they’re gone.
My recommendation is to try to keep the lines of communication open – my dad and I don’t talk about anything very much, let alone money; if Sean has a closer relationship with his parents, he may be able to get them to open up a little more about how things are going. And try to support yourself as much as you’re able in college, and try to have a discussion down the road about what they’re expecting in old age so you’re prepared to help them, if necessary.
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Talking to some parents is difficult, certainly. I wouldn’t worry about talking about feelings too much, especially with guys, it’s just not how most guys I know, myself included, work.
Like you said, your dad is financially responsible, so for the most part it probably isn’t something you need to worry about. I’d also look at it like this, in 10-20 years, you’ll probably be doing well, and if your parents need help then you’ll be able to provide it. I know it gives me some consolation with my dad, but he’s a lot less responsible now. I wouldn’t make an issue of it.
If you think of some things you can do to ease the burden, and be more self sufficient, even if not totally, I’d bring that up to your dad. He’ll probably appreciate it, but I’d also follow his advice. In High School I was going to get an extra job so I had more money for stuff, I didn’t want to beg my parents all the time and it seemed like a good idea. My parents opted to up my allowance because they didn’t want me to cut back on the extra school stuff I did. I’m glad they did, I still got a job senior year of High School, but it was actually an internship that helped start my career.
Trust your parents. If they won’t open up, keep it concrete as to what you are thinking of doing, and follow through. As you get older, they might loosen up.
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My Father in Law is in town for the holidays and we had a frank discussion with him.
First, we told him if he wants us to care for him as he ages he needs to move to Florida. And if he is going to move to Florida to be closer to us he should live within an hour of us otherwise its still going to be difficult for us to help him as he ages, he is 65 now. Harsh I know, but its unrealistic to expect us to care for his medical needs as he ages and to help him with other needs if he lives 5 states away. We are his only option for care as he ages so bottom line is he’s got to get off his butt and sell his home up north.
Second, I’m going to help him set up a simple will. His plan is to leave everything to my husband so estate planning will be easy. However, he also needs to retitle as much as possible so assets pass directly to Mr. Sam and not through probate. This can be done by making Mr. Sam a benificiary on most of the accounts.
Third, for a couple of his day to day accounts, Mr. Aaron needs to be added as a co-owner so if there was an emergency Mr. Aaron could write checks, pay bills, etc. To the extent he buys property in Florida, said property will likely be titled in both names.
Fourth, he needs to put all his account, password, financial information together and give us a copy so we don’t have to try and hunt for this information in an emergency.
Fifth, I’m going to help him set up power of attorney, both financial and medical, living will, etc.
Finally, we told him several times during this long conversation that we would be happy if he spent all his savings. Meaning we don’t want to inherit money from him, we want him to enjoy his retirement and spend the money he worked so hard to save up (he also has a pension that brings in money each month).
Now, we’ve got to help him execute this plan and move forward.
It was tough having this conversation, talking about end of life, death, etc. And it was also tough telling him he has to move if he wants us to care for him (and he doesn’t really have any other options except moving into retirement/independent living type place).
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If I were your father-in-law I would head as far away from you as I could, as fast as I could.
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That seems a bit harsh. Sam here is being very pragmatic. I’m in my late 30′s and have watched my parents care first for my 90′s year old grandfather, and now for my 94 year old grandmother, who still lives on her own. She could NOT do this if my parents didn’t live close by. If you want your kids to take care of you when you get old and frail, why would you expect them to pick up and move to your area, especially when you’re retired and they’re likely still working? Such conversations aren’t ever easy, but pragmatism is needed here. Planning for this in advance doesn’t imply an absence of love.
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Thanks for giving me a good laugh. I did recognize it is a somewhat harsh option. You should hear Mr. Sam . . .
But the only way we can help him as he ages is if he is close to us. We can’t move due to professional licenses and our real estate investments which happen to be in So. Fla. It is totally up to him as to what he wants to do. He could stay where he is or move into a retirement setting where he would have options for assisted living. FIL has already had a hip replacement and my husband took time off from work to fly north to help him for a week after the surgery. With our careers, I work 12 hours a day, it is not really something we can manage from afar. As for all the other topics on my post, he has asked for help with these and we are in the position to help him with these “to dos.” He’s raised the issue and I’ve given him options on getting it done.
For my FIL, he, himself, recognizes that he is isolated and he has really enjoyed the time he spent living in one of our investment properties the last two winters. Really he needs a kick in the pants to come down, he thinks and we think he would be much happier close to us and without the big home and big tax bill from NJ (remember no income tax in Florida and other taxes would be lower as well). We could also help him with home upkeep saving him more money (what’s one more property to take care of when we’ve got 4 as is). He also recognzies that there is no need for him to have a three bedroom/two bath home. This week he has been out and about with Mr. Sam looking at properties and he is motivated as the prices are so low in So. Fla., he could buy a similar one story home, two bedroom, two bath, drop $50,000 into it to get the upgrades he wants and still walk away with profits from his NJ home.
For me, I watched my Mom try to manage her aged parents from 7 hours away and it was very stressful and difficult for her. She has promised that she won’t do this to me, she already lives in Florida but plans to move closer when they down size.
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We haven’t had the full extent of this conversation, but I’ve definitely told my parents that if they get to the point where one or both of them need to be watched over, they are going to have to move near either me or my sister.
Because that eventuality is likely to occur, if it occurs at all, while the two of us are *still working*. Meaning we really can’t pull up stakes and move near them, or move in with them, without completely wrecking our own financial plans.
I don’t think it’s harsh at all and I think the FIL should be grateful to know where he stands with the people who are offering to help. There are a lot of people out of work now who maybe wouldn’t be if they hadn’t left jobs to be ‘close to family.’
And I personally have had family members who were very isolated and unsupported late in life because they refused to move – and they were the ones with the *ability* to move – near to the people who would have liked to support them.
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Has it occurred to you that what you see as “isolated and unsupported” may have been seen by those relatives as being independent? Help that comes with conditions, such as “uproot yourself and move!” is seldom seen as entirely benevolent.
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Just don’t blindside/surprise them with this talk…and/or demand to discuss it NOW!
We casually mentioned to my parents “hey, Mom and Dad, when you have some time in the next few months could we get together to talk about finances – we want to be in a position to help you in the future, but will need more details – not today, but in the next few months when it’s convenient for you – sound good?”
That gave them time to think about it, time to gather their financial records and also – biggie here – gave them the control of the meeting.
We were also very clear that we respected their privacy and would not share the information with anyone else!
Once we finally met they wouldn’t stop talking – ha ha – they were relieved to have someone else know this information. We try and have a quick 15 minute update with them every January – anything change? new insurance? new medications? new bills/investments/assets?
Good luck!
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Oh good — so I’m not the only one who thought discussing this over Christmas might not be good timing? If I tried to ask my parents about anything right now, I’m pretty sure the answer would be “let me get through the next week first!”
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If he’s really a sophomore in college, it’ll be another months before he has his next opportunity to ask. That six months could make a huge difference.
Do it now. Wait for the end of christmas/hanukkah… but do it now.
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You say that your parents have a strict policy of not telling you how much your father earns. Why is that – has there been a particular reason (and have things changed) or was it because they didn’t consider you an adult yet? I agree with #7 that a conversation about financial details is not something they may be willing to do while you are still in college and dependent on them.
But if you open a conversation along the lines of “I am often stressed out about finances – will we have enough for both mine and my brother’s college . . . I need to discuss with you how things stand so that we can decide whether I should look for part time work, etc, etc”. Then they should be willing to tell you enough to reassure you or to confirm your fears – or maybe even go into details if the conversation goes well.
Good luck, hopefully it will work
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I asked this of my father, and all he would tell me was “it’s fine, we’ll be fine”. Well… we weren’t fine. He died shortly after I graduated, and he was hopelessly in the hole, leaving his widow with nothing and an insurmountable pile of bills to pay.
I guess the point is… there are people who are prideful and emotionally unprepared to deal with the topic. At the end of the day, I had to live with that. If you can, though, see if you can get details. Maybe even offer it as an educational opportunity. See if you can get them to teach you their personal finance wisdom by showing you how they do theirs. Then at least you’ll have some more details than just “we’ll be fine”.
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In my familly my dad is secretive and my mother is open, that makes that I talk about finance with my mother and she with does my father. Maybe approaching the most open parent might help.
I also talk openly about my financial situation with them, so I think that will make it easier. Something like “TThis month I’ve saved €XXX or this month I’ve saved €XXX more than expected.
Although my parents situation is nt bad (they’ll pay their mortgage soon and have no other debts, it’s just they need a new car soon as my father’s one goes every month to be repaired) I try to be receptive to their needs, so in case I can help. But the truth is that at the moment they help me more than I do to them.
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If I were in the kid’s shoes, I wouldn’t worry about it.
The one thing to make sure of is that his parents fill out a FAFSA this year (after they do taxes). With no income, unless the family is super-rich (in which case the kid’s fears are groundless), the kid should be eligible for more financial aid next year. Aid does change based on parental circumstances but it lags by a year.
When the second kid starts college, then both kids will be eligible for more financial aid.
The important thing is that the FAFSA gets filled out otherwise there will be no financial aid.
That’s not the same as how to talk to your kids about money, but in this case the kid’s base assumptions are probably flawed. If he really feels terrible then he can make sure to save up 160K (or whatever amount is the max they could be paying for him) after he gets a job so that he can support them in their old age when they run out of money. It’ll be easier to do that without educational loans.
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My parents are, and have always been, very secretive about their finances. They have very little money — my dad has been a self-employed welder for 35 years and my mom quit her secure union job in a factory because he didn’t like it that she made more money than he did. Instead, she supports his business. To say that they make very poor money decisions would be putting it mildly. I believe that they filed for bankruptcy and have had trouble with the IRS in the past, but don’t know for sure because of the secrecy.
My dad is 66 and my mom is 64, and the only retirement they have is social security. They finished paying off their 30-year mortgage a few years ago and immediately took a loan against it to buy a welding shop (they had always leased a shop before). So now I don’t even know if their home is secure. My dad goes behind my mom’s back to get loans for things like boats. There’s nothing I can do.
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Besides save like crazy, of course, so that I can support them when they don’t have money to live.
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I’m in something of a similar situation; not exactly, of course. But I often feel a little lost and panicked, wondering about how to keep them from poverty when they’re too old to work and have nothing but SS.
I’m just starting my career in a lowish-paying industry, and I just don’t see how I can ever make enough for all of us.
If you ever get any bright ideas, please do share them via GRS.
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My suggestion is to get a job and to get a good paying job. I attended college in 2002-2006 and unlike my friends who work at Victoria Secret or Macys’ for about $6.75, I looked for a higher paying job and was able to land a legal receptionist position, earning $10 (the first year) and up $12.75, by the time I graduated. I worked 20 hours per week, which I think is completely doable considering the flexibility of college courses and the ability to set your own schedule. I also was a babysitter and tutor. Tutoring earned me about $15 an hour, about 3-4 hours per week. And babysitting, I had a family that would pay me $30 for a babysitting on date nights. I didn’t make a ton of money but I was able to support my living expenses, and my books. I am sure your parents would appreciate the help even if they can make the payments. Additionally, you’re building your resume and your skills for future employment.
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This is hard one. I was never able to talk to my parent constructively when in college about money. We had a bad relationship anyway, so there wasn’t even a good foundation on which to start communicating about difficult topics on. Hopefully you are, and it sounds like you might be, in a better relationship with your parents. So I’ll give you a few thoughts that popped into my head:
1)talk to them sooner than later. Never mind that it’s the holidays. This might be a perfect time as you will all be together hopefully and you do not have the pressures of finals and such to deal with on top of your monetary concerns.
2) Be proactive – take a lesson from the business world: if you’re going to bring up a problem to the boss, come up with a constructive solution to resolve it and present that along with the complaint. Perhaps that will help your parents see you as more of an adult (if they don’t already) and open up to talk to you about money. For example: start looking for student aid. Bring the applications home with you to fill out over break. Start looking for a job – discuss your options with them – Express your desire to help out and show them you mean it.
3) Be sure and thank them for their support. Let them know you’re not usurping them, or have no faith in their ability to provide for you. It sounds to me that you are ready to take on more responsibility and that will hopefully be a great thing for your parents to hear.
Best of luck to you. I hope it turns out better than your fearing and that, even if they don’t open up completely, this starts you all on a path to open and honest communication about money. Let us know how it went!
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Okay, maybe my suggestion is self-serving because I am one, but I’d suggest getting your parents to see a fee-only financial planner. If you don’t know one, check out the Garrett Planning Network or NAPFA referral sites. Even very high earning people can have finances that are a mess, or they have no idea what their investments actually are, and not facing this causes all kinds of problems. Parents of college age kids need to see if they’re on track for their own retirement. If they meet with a planner, they will be able to sort out where they are, where they are going, and a good planner can estimate whether your family might be eligible for aid, or suggest tax strategies to cut their out of pocket costs. You should get ahold of the book “Debt Free U” as it will help you generate ideas from your side. Good luck to you.
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Implicit in this article, and in some of the replies, is the assumption that the younger generation / adult children are wiser about financial matters than their elders. Also implicit is the belief that the older generation will, at some point, have to come crawling in desperation to their offspring for financial relief.
Both assumptions are at best silly and at worst condescending and ageist. Financial savvy is not age-related.
For every senior citizen who is helpless and dependent upon their children there is another who is raising grandchildren abandoned by their irresponsible 20 or 30-something parents.
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Really? I’d be interested in seeing some numbers to back that up. It sounds like you’re only looking at the extremes here. (I’m not trying to be rude — maybe I’ve just seen different numbers.)
In my experience, and I realize this is anecdotal, I’ve met many seniors who are independent and living in their own homes who do rely on their children for some kind of help. Wherever illness is involved, it’s the spouse, not the children, who are the primary caregivers.
Also, it’s the baby boomers who are often supporting their grandchildren, not the previous generation. People tend to talk about “baby boomers” and “seniors” as if everyone over 50 is the same.
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To me, implicit in this article is that the writer feels a certain guilt about what he perceives to be his family’s money situation.
To me (admittedly with my own baggage) there’s a lot of guilt around taking money from parents when you think they may be sacrificing their quality of life–now or in the future. If you feel like that and you don’t want to be a burden, get moving.
Now, thinking about it, I DON’T think the best option is to confront his parents head-on about the money situation. I think asking them to provide the FAFSA info is a good step at this point (and will give some general clues).
As hard as that finance talk will be at some point, this isn’t really the time. Not because of age, but because of the habits involved. The statement (however nicely worded) “Tell me about your money because I’m worried I’m bankrupting you” will probably get you an “it’s okay, don’t worry” response, even if there is a problem.
If he’s worried about college causing an unnecessary burden on his parent’s finances, he needs to go with the assumption he’s right (even if he isn’t). He needs to do what he should be doing anyway–get in gear and go scholarship shopping, grant shopping, etc. There’s just more motivation now. Every dollar found is a dollar your parents aren’t paying.
If he’s worried about his brother adding to the burden, talk to the brother about looking for scholarships–”free money”, if you will.
Yes, I know that scholarships aren’t a dime-a-dozen for the regular joe on the block. But, has he been looking? How much time and effort has he put into this? Has he talked to the financial aid office at his college? None of this was mentioned in the e-mail.
There’s also that nasty spector of college loans. They can be horrible. REALLY horrible. So, think really hard before going that route, and make sure that you don’t take on more loans than make sense (A total of no more than your 1st year’s salary with that degree comes to mind as a guideline).
If you are worried your parents are sacrificing their retirement for you and your brother, you make sure you make every effort to not take money from them. That’s really the point, I think.
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Whoops, forgot a few things.
Other options:
Resident/Dorm assistant — usually covers housing, so you are just left with tuition
Residence Hall Association (or your equivalent of the Student Dorm Administration)– for some positions this is paid room/board
Lower-class level tutoring/assistant– even if independent you can make a bit of money on this
Prep-work (depending on your degree) — media prep for the microbiology lab, plants for bio classes, etc. This is school-size and degree specific.
Dorm Front Desk– Minimum wage and you get study time (some places have student workers staff odd hours). When I worked the front desk no one cared if you studied as long as you picked up the phone when it rang and answered people that walked up.
Other ways to save money:
– Buy your books OFF campus (local reseller, amazon, etc). If you can swing the initial money, you save $100s, easily.
– Downsize dorm life or live off-campus with friends. You may save a bit of money this way, but make sure your roommates aren’t going to be even worse than the ones you lived with in the dorms.
That’s everything I can think of, off hand.
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Many baby boomers are not doing well financially, and we (their children) are not well served by sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that their poor financial decisions will not affect us in the future. Of course, no one can make someone else do the right thing financially. All we can do is prepare ourselves for how those decisions will affect us. The more informed we can be, the better we can plan.
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The reason the comments sound like the younger generation is more financially responsible than the older generation is because people in that situation will resonate with this post and respond in the comments. Irresponsible kids aren’t going to ask about how to talk to their parents about money. The kids of parents who are open about money don’t need to ask. And plenty of fiscally responsible parents ask how to deal with their irresponsible children.
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I think its important to teach kids the value of money. But I don’t think they need to do what the bottom line is. If you as a parent are able and willing to fund your child’s education, tell them to shoot for the stars and then when the acceptance and scholarship letters start coming in, you can have an honest discussion about what makes sense and what doesn’t.
I would be afraid to so burden them with my situation that they give up on options simply because they think its unaffordable. At the same time, if all they want to do is be an electrician, perhaps an Electrical Engineering degree from MIT isn’t necessary irrespective of whether you can afford it or not.
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OK, I went to college in the 70s, so I hope this advice is not out of date, but …
At one time, my father had two of us in college, we had just moved and built a new home, my mother had brain surgery and was in the hospital for over a month, with my father travelling 200 miles round trip to see her every night, and my younger brother was boarded out with friends for a month or so so he could cope. In spite of this, we could not get financial aid because technically he was making too much money. I had also had bone surgery and could not work the summer before starting college.
It was not a good year.
Anyhow, I was able to get a job on campus and though I could not convince my father to let me help with the major bills, I did convince him to stop sending me checks for day to day expenses and also took over paying for my books.
Perhaps you can do the same — agree to take over certain parts of your college expenses. That will still be a big help to your parents.
And I applaud your concern for them and for your brother — this is a very responsible attitude which will stand you in good stead later on in life.
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This is always going to be a tough subject. Any talks about money in my family have been very emotionally charged and not very positive. I think that’s unfortunate, but we don’t always see eye-to-eye. I feel like Sean may have some concerns about how much his father spends since he says his dad isn’t interested in decreasing expenses.
My one comment to Sean would be: Are you really going to act or change something even if you can get this information from your parents? I’m not really sure what Sean is thinking of here if he finds his parents are using their savings (getting a job? dropping out of school?), but I don’t think it’s worth such a pursuit unless the knowledge is important for making his own decisions.
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I agree with the first commenter, JD, that your comment about it can be done is no longer true in today’s economy. It’s distressing to see such a flippant comment when you usually do a nice job of researching and looking forward. You graduated 15+ years ago. It really can NOT be done anymore-said by someone who ALMOST managed it. My first two years of of public university were completely covered by scholarships because of my good grades, my gender (female), my degree choice (music), and that my father was both a veteran AND a police officer. Between the scholarships, work, and a small amount of loans I managed to graduate with very little debt (which my father then kindly paid off).
However, all of those scholarship factors came together to give me a bunch of unique scholarship opportunities that my now husband (white male, middle class, private sector parents, poli sci and philosophy major) was denied. So he got a job working 20-30 hours a week (pretty good for a DOUBLE major), making $11 an hour-which is above minimum wage in EVERY state. He used his job to pay all of his living expenses, gas, his books, and then had to get loans to cover the $14k tuition a year. Graduating with only $24k in student loans when tuition for four years was close to $56k was a tremendous achievement in itself, but we will paying those loans for another 3 years at least. So, barring extreme circumstances like mine, getting through college debt free now without rich parents is extremely unusual….
In regards the article, my parents were extremely secretive and would NEVER discuss money with me. They divorced after my senior year of college, partially due to money. I pretty much sat down with each of them individually and asked them to be honest with me from now on, since I am the sole beneficiary of each of their very small estates now…It would make it easier and less worrisome for me if I could have some kind of idea of what sort of financial shape they were in, and basic information on wills/financial info. I think the divorce made them realize that I really was an adult, and forced them to re-evaluate their policy of being secretive about money with me. But they were EXTREMELY tight-lipped about money before that, and I don’t think anything less than their extremely nasty divorce would have made them open.
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Karina, you’re making me feel old.
You may be right. Maybe it’s much more difficult to do what I did nowadays, but I’m not so sure. Ramit at I Will Teach You to Be Rich is much younger than I am, yet he devised a strategy whereby he applied for a huge number of scholarships in order to pay for school. I know other people have done similar things. (My friend who used to work in financial aid wondered why more people didn’t do this.) It is possible to make it through school without debt nowadays — but it takes some effort.
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OK, I amend a bit: it is possible with LOTS of effort and in particular circumstances. My circumstances for example. Or people who are members of very specific majors, ethnic groups, organizations, sports teams, children of veterans. I myself am getting my Master’s full funded as a graduate teaching assistant. Once again though, I realize how incredibly unusual that is because of my field. But Kathryn below is a perfect example of unusual as well: single parent, funding through grants (also specific to your degree or circumstances, I can guarantee as I have received multiple grants in my education career) at a community college part time. Those are not the normal circumstances of a traditional student, admirable as it is that she is pursuing her education.
So, while I agree that it can be done-I will have a master’s degree in May with no debt-it is extremely unusual, and is becoming more and more difficult. Trent at Simple Dollar did a great article on this a few months ago, and I searched for it this morning but couldn’t find it.
It’s not that it can’t be done, JD. But I think your attitude of ‘well I did it, and so and so did it, so it’s totally possible’ is really really damaging. Only a combination of things I listed above, PLUS luck, PLUS being really smart can you usually accomplish it. So many young people get stuck in financial drains because they hear that sort of thing-’well he did it, so it’s possible!’…only to find themselves excluded from those opportunities through race, gender, age, choice of major, LOCATION, or parental income levels…
Sorry about making you feel old. =)
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For a little rebuttal, I’d agree with J.D. I AM doing it now. Admittedly, it’s a junior college, half-time enrollment, and I’m a single parent. So it’s definitely going to depend on circumstances, but it IS possible to get through school without debt. In fact, I haven’t paid a dime of my own money for school yet. Grants, scholarships and waivers have been enough thus far. I’ve saved the refunds so if I do have to pay, it’ll still be someone else’s money.
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I just looked up the tuition at the school I went to. It is currently $3,286.00/semester, or about $6500/year. I think Karina is wrong, and J.D. is right. Can you put yourself through school and come out of it with no debt?
Sure you can, but you might have to pick a less expensive school.
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I was citing the tuition at my state’s STATE university. The cheap, public option….
Ok, so let’s say a student makes $7.50 (above federal minimum wage by .25), and they work 40 hours a week for 15 weeks in the summer. That’s $300 a week, $4500 the summer before taxes. That WILL cover tuition at your school yes. But it won’t cover books, fees ($600 this semester at my state university), rent, groceries, and utilities.
Then school starts, and they can’t work quite full time anymore. Let’s say they have no life though, and that they work 25 hours a week still. That’s $187.50 a week before taxes, for 15 weeks, so $2812… short of tuition, yikes! Oh, and they might have been using that money to pay groceries and rent still….even in a cheap place like $200 a month that’s still over 25% of their income, and now they’re short for the next semester even more, before more rent, and more books and more fees…
Do you see NOW, how it builds up even at your state university? Of course, people get lucky, they work hard, they are smart, they get scholarships. But just ‘work it off, folks, I did….’ Such a damaging attitude.
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My last point-all this is assuming a teenager or young college student can actually GET a job. But with the unemployment of higher educated, older population being so high, these folks are now working retail, restaurant jobs more traditionally held by younger age groups. This article discusses the unemployment rate of teens in the summer of 2011, saying some states have teen unemployment rates three times the average of the national unemployment…
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/206588/20110831/us-unemployment-teens-obama-jobless.htm
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My 23 y.o. is working 3 jobs right now to pay for his next year of school. Minimum wage is $9.40/hour here and he’s making $15.50, $12 + tips and $10.55 (plus shift differential). He’s had one day off in the last 3 months with an average work week of 70 hours a week. He has lots of friends that can’t find work or different work too but I guess he must just be exceptionally “lucky”.
There’s often better paying jobs than minimum wage around if you’re over 18, have built up a network (yes, it’s possible to do at 18) and will go the extra mile and do things other people don’t want to do. Sean’s young and isn’t tied to a geographic location – there’s lots of imported Aussies, Asians and Europeans working up here in mountain resorts in Canada making great money, even better up north. I haven’t met any Americans though, oddly enough…
I’m with Bella (#66) – the greatest gift Sean could give his parents is to bust his hump in school and not make them feel like they wasted their money.
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Don’t give me that crap about how you can’t make ends meet while making minimum wage. If you are making minimum wage you need to go find a better job. Don’t give me crap about how there aren’t any jobs, there are, you just need to learn to market yourself better. Plus, if you are trying to make it through school, work more than 40 hours a week in the summer. Plenty of people do it every year. If your tuition is $30,000 a year, then it might not work very well, but you made the decision to go to such a pricey school.
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My initial reaction is this:
1. Sean can’t force his parents to share their financial details. Perhaps they are hiding something. Perhaps they are embarrassed. It seems to me that they may be afraid of being judged, therefore they will not want to open up UNTIL they are ready. Sean should begin a conversation of gradual disclosure, perhaps letting his parents know about his own finances, what he’s doing to improve them, etc. Just open a dialogue. As the opportunity arises, stretch that dialogue a little and encourage more input from the parents. Once they can see that Sean is not going to be judgmental in any way, they may begin to open up and be more forthcoming about their own financial situation. This may take some time, however, so Sean will need to be patient. If he goes in with a bunch of grenades, the whole situation could literally blow up in his face. I think his parents just need time to accept the fact that their child is now an adult and that it’s OK to ‘burden’ the adult with their financial situation, whatever it may be.
2. Sean needs to take his own financial situation in hand. If he feels that he may be a drain on family finances, that is probably the case. Can Sean apply for a RA position in college perhaps? This pays room, food and around $8 an hour. Get a job? Take out loans? Get scholarships? It’s completely doable for Sean to take over the responsibility for his own educational expenses if he feels that he may unintentionally be threatening his parents’ financial future. Good luck!
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Sean should at least be able to get the information he needs for the FAFSA, though.
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Data needed for the FAFSA is tax data- he can only have it if his parents give it to him. He has no actual right to it. It’s not his. Speaking from experience, my mother refused to provide tax info; no financial aid for me. Solution: go to a school I could afford.
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At many schools, if your parents won’t fork over the data, the financial aid office can help – probably not in Sean’s case, since his parents are just paying in cash. but parents who don’t pay and won’t share FAFSA information can be worked around by the school certifying the student as independent.
On the other hand, MOST parents will give the information even if it makes them uncomfortable.
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I filled out my own FAFSA every year while in college; perhaps Sean can offer to do that same thing to help? Growing up my parents were always very tight-lipped about finances. I have a very general idea of how they’re doing based on indirect comments and behavior. You might be able to gather more about their financial situation than you think just based on those types of tells . I agree with everyone else, though, that finding an on- or off-campus job to help pay for day-to-day expenses, books, etc. It might be a matter of pride for your dad to put his children through college, and at your age, though you’re technically an adult, I wouldn’t dare infer that he’s overreaching; that could hurt your relationship with your parents. Kudos to you, though, for taking an interest in their financial futures. I knew a lot of kids in college that had no real foresight regarding college expenses so long as their parents kept footing the bill.
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It sounds like you’ve broached the subject and they said ‘No’. That should be the end of it. They are competent adults, I take it. If you don’t want to be a ‘burden’, you could take action to provide your own support, at least in part. Although you mean well, your parents don’t seem to feel your concern is warranted. Respect their decision.
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We filled out FASFAs in private. We did not discuss how much we made until they both were out of the house and fully employed. We felt caring for them was our choice.
Unless your dad is elderly or ill,
if he said don’t worry I would say don’t pry.
My dad had a strong team of financial people who helped us when he passed. He never talked his money- felt it was rude. He sold his business when I was in college and paid for two more after me. He had saved plenty of money. My sister now runs my mom’s finances. Again, it is “close in hand”.
Not everyone wants or needs to have all the cards on the table- especially with a 20 year old.
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JD–why are you assuming that Sean’s parents don’t want to talk about finances because they “feel threatened?”. From where in his letter are you inferring this bit of psychobabble?
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Hey, Andrew. If you read the post carefully, you’ll see that I don’t assume Sean’s parents feel threatened. But I don’t want them to feel threatened either.
I know from past discussions with readers that parents often do feel threatened when their children begin to ask about money (I just had a talk with a friend this weekend about how her mother feels threatened by financial discussions), so as I set up the question I was trying to ask readers for ways to avoid that situation.
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My parents didn’t/don’t like talking about money with us kids because they make a decent amount, and most people in the town we live in don’t. They didn’t want us feeling richer or superior to our classmates and friends.
There’s lots of reasons parents might not talk to their kids about money. As long as parents realize when those reasons are no longer the most important factors, that’s OK.
Growing up I felt like I had less than my friends did. Many of them had 4wheelers, snowmobiles, cabins/camps in the woods, etc. When my dad started talking with me about money as I was headed off to college I was shocked to know that he was taking home $100,000k/year from his self-owned business, and that the value of the business itself was growing solidly as well.
I’m pretty sure that I’m the only one of his kids who he has talked with about money. He has me as the executor of his will since I’m the oldest (30) and the youngest two are still in highschool.
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My problem with the OP’s letter is that “Because of my father’s previous income, I don’t qualify for any financial aid, including loans.” He shows a real lack of understanding about how financial aid works, and as a result, how could his parents possibly have a mature talk with him about finances? The FAFSA, which is how 99% of college determine financial aid, is based off of only last year’s tax return, and there is usually a space to indicate if your financial situation has changed, so he could still qualify even if his father claimed a lot of income last year.
In addition, the FAFSA is also based off of how many college students are in the house, so next year, if two children are going to college, then the government will take that into consideration.
However, the FAFSA can take into account life savings, so if his parents have a bit of money in the savings account (not retirement), then he might not qualify.
What he should do is hand him the FAFSA and then leave the decision up to his parents. I do not agree with the writer’s suggestions. If my child came to me and asked me how much I made or how much savings I had, we would have a very stern talk about what is and what is not her business to discuss with me.
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I want to second this.
This comment is 100% spot-on.
A lot of people, including the guy asking for advice, seem to have misconceptions about how financial aid works.
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As many commenters have said, this young man needs to understand that maybe his parents don’t consider him at an age or maturity to reveal what they might consider their business. Has the OP done anything to become independent? There are many ways to fund a college education – AND a college education is not necessarily the only way to meet ones future economic needs. There are lots of other options – which also might include going to college later when one has the funds or ‘sponsorship’ through either a scholarship or assistance through employment, etc. Also, shifting down to a community college for basic educational requirements and/or another college (vocational or other skills based profession) that may be less expensive (or even on-line) may be something he can do. Again, he can’t change his parents, he can only change himself. However, by changing himself (his behavior/decisions/actions, etc) he ends up changing the dynamic and may end up getting the information he wants.
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If I was Sean I can think of two ways he could bring up the subject of tuition and his parents financial status.
1. He could first start by talking about applying for financial aid again and he could suggest to his father that since he has sold his company maybe he would qualify for financial aid now and then use that as a opener to talking about more serious money issues if that is his concern.
2. I think this one could work too. He could tell his parents that he thinks its time for him to really become an adult and that he wants to take on some of the financial burden of paying for tuition. He might want to suggest that he is interested in getting a student loan to maybe pay for his room and board or part of his tuition. That might drive the conversation in a direction that might get them to talking about Sean’s concerns about tuition.
And Sean should remember that he is not a burden on his parents. Paying for his college is something they are doing because they care about him and want to see him succeed.
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I realize this isn’t really answering the question that was posed in the post, but your parents are paying $50,000 a year for tuition + room & board, and your main question is how to talk to them about it? I definitely agree that sitting down to have an open talk about finances is important, but how about attacking this from another angle while you’re at it? I have two main suggestions:
1) Ditch the super-expensive private school and find a good community college. Seriously, $50,000 a year is robbery. I could barely stomach paying $20,000 a year for the private university I attended ~10 years ago. The cost-benefit value proposition just doesn’t make sense at today’s prices.
2) Get a job. Again, drawing on my own experience, even a full-time college student (I frequently had to get university exceptions to take more than the maximum allowed credits during a quarter) can make time for a 15-20 hour a week job. You could probably earn at least $5k during the school year and another $3k or so through the summer. That’s $8k less burden on your parents.
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I went through this too when I was looking at my college acceptances and deciding where to go.
On one hand, I had a top-tier school with only loans as aid, on the other hand a 2nd-tier school with a full tuition merit scholarship. My mother was really pushing me to ignore the financial aspect and choose the school I really wanted, but I couldn’t turn down effectively $180,000. Of course I found out later on that a wealthy aunt would have paid for the top tier school…
Anyways, I second everyone about the FAFSA. But if your parents have a lot saved from previous years of high income, that does count against you. I would say try and pick up as much of your education as you are able. Or if it bothers you that much, transfer to a cheaper in-state school. Or take a heavy course load and graduate a semester early.
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If no one told you that your wealthy aunt would pay for the more competitive school, you were robbed of your right to make a fully informed choice. You should have no regrets.
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Hopefully it helps Sean to hear the stories of others.
Our family really opened up the money conversation & estate planning pieces 20 or so years ago, when my parents created their trust. Since then we’ve had many conversations (every Xmas we’d have a sit-down in my father’s office), understanding our future roles as trustees, how the assets are structured, etc. Best of all, I think, was all the information was out in the open, no secrets. They initiated the process, but we are definitely the beneficiaries.
Over the past 5-10 years the situation has shifted, my mother has passed away, my father is much older, and my brother and I have taken on more responsibilities overseeing with our father’s finances. Again, that openness from the past has been key. We know exactly what is there, we know our father’s intent, and we have simplified all that we can. I truly think that their willingness to open up, and fully share their financial situation, as well as their intentions and hopes for their children has made all the difference. I will be very sad when I lose my father, but there will be few, if any, financial surprises, and that is the best gift he can give us.
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I am a youngish (41 y/o) parent of a college freshman. My daughter was eligible for grants and got some scholarships. They were enough to pay for her tuition, fees, and books at our state university as long as she lives at home. She would rather be living in the dorms and I would rather not have to drop her off at school every day, but neither is a huge deal and totally worth it to all of us.
My husband and I have a lot of student debt and have never made very much money — we were from working class families and very naive about education, careers, etc. It has cost us pretty dearly.
So our circumstances are a bit different, but I wanted to give some background before I got to the point.
I do not know how other parents feel, but I would do almost anything to keep my kids from having to take on debt to get through school, especially in this economy. I am pretty sure I would sell a kidney if that’s what it took.
We want our kids to be able to get through college debt free and we don’t mind doing everything within our power to make that happen. The whole point of parenting is to give your kids what they need in order to make it on their own as adults. It’s NOT a burden if you are being conscientious and frugal and applying yourself to your studies. It’s just part of the job. Let your parents do their job and you do yours. Work if you can, but only if it won’t hurt your grades or health to do so.
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Sean,
Your parents told you not to worry. They are paying the bill and you say they are responsible. Your dad also “sold a company”. You believe that you don’t qualify for any aid at all. That all adds up to paint a picture of a family who has enough money to afford college.
Do you see any signs at all of your parents struggling financially in any way? People paying $50k bills ain’t poor, thats for sure. But its feasible your parents are putting you first and emptying their savings so you can go to a fancy school.
Still you don’t really know and its good you’re concerned about their financial well being and that you don’t want to be a burden.
Did your family fill out the FAFSA? Yes or no?
If you filled out a FAFSA and didn’t qualify for ANY aid at all then I wouldn’t worry. Your parents are probably rich and don’t want to tell you exactly how rich.
If you’ve never filled out a FAFSA then I’d suggest to your parents that you get it filled out since your university may have free grants or other aid. For schools that expensive even higher income families can often get some form of aid. Your parents may assume they won’t qualify for aid even though you do. An alarming number of families never fill out the aid forms even though they would be eligible.
In either case, when your brother starts school it may be a good idea to fill out the FAFSA again. With 2 students in college the aid award could change. If your parents confidently insist that there is no aid for them even with 2 kids and a bill of $100k /yr then thats further evidence they’re rich.
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To be honest I’m a little confused…
Sean is a sophmore, where was all this concern about money 2 years ago when he picked the school that was $50K a year?
Second – if his parents sold the business after he started school – surely the cost of his and his brother’s education must have been factored into that decision
To have a successful business to sell – the father must not be a financial moron.
I think that Sean should really do his best – TO GRADUATE ON TIME – so the bill doesn’t get any higher.
Furthermore – he should make sure that he does the neccesary extras to make him a competitive candidate in the job market, whether that’s a job, or an unpaid internship, make sure that $50K a year isn’t wasted after the fact.
If his parents are sacrificing their savings – most likely they can’t think of anything better to spend their savings on than helping their child secure a productive place in society as an adult. I mean DUH – that’s a parents dream – to see their child successful and standing on their own.
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My parents were recently under the pump and became forced sellers of the family home, in a down market. Dad is 68 and still working hard with deteriorating health and a 20 year old daughter at home still.
I know exactly how you feel. My parents and I were often at logger heads at the dinner table. Obviously they are in investing defense as they near retirement and I’m in asset accumulation mode, but the real issue is an emotional and ideological one.
My main goal is to build a folio of properties, which they ideologically see as too risky (without knowing much about the details).
The emotionally tough part is being passionate about something (and wanting to help others) which goes down like a lead balloon at the dinner table.
I’ve changed my tact a bit now and chose my conversations very carefully and use “uh huh, uh huh” as a response instead of elaborating on my ideas.
I’ve had to accept I’m on my own on this one, but because I’m passionate it’s OK and I’m all the more determined to push forward with my own investing life.
I think they will eventually see that conservatively purchasing assets is a good model. A couple of times a year I offer my advice, which is usually ignored. Ha! It’s almost become humorous now.
It’s not like they are going to be singing for their supper, I don’t waste time worrying about them, but I have a good feeling about making the long term effort to introduce financial discussion within the family, something that was once taboo.
Happy Investing
Ben
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Sean, I just graduated from a similarly expensive school. I got considerable financial aid (full tuition grant, plus loans and work-study) but my parents still paid roughly 8k each year for my living expenses. Believe me, I understand school ain’t cheap, and I was also worried/felt guilty about my parents’ financial situation the entire time I was in school.
One commenter suggested you try to become an RA — I second that. At my alma mater RA’s get free room and board. Second, definitely reapply for FAFSA every year, because your parents’ circumstances might change, especially when your sibling goes to college.
I suggest getting the most marketable degree you can — econ or engineering if possible. The job market is UGLY right now for people our age, even people with good GPA’s from solid schools (I went to a top 15), and I promise you that you will not regret having gotten one of the big bucks degrees once you leave college. If you’re interested in sociology or theatre, double-major or just take some of those classes on the side because, as I say, the economy is terrible for people our age right now, and probably will be for the next five years at least.
I also suggest ignoring some of the ruder comments up there — I’ve noticed a lot of commenters on Getrichslowly don’t seem to respect young adults very much. You’re not impertinent or whatever for being worried about your parents.
Just as an observation, I don’t think a lot of older people understand how difficult it is to get a non-service industry job right now if you’re under 25. There’s so many articles about how young adults are delaying true adulthood (moving in with parents, dead end jobs and all that) and I agree that that’s a problem, but it’s a two-way street — how are we supposed to be responsible en masse when so many of us are either unemployed, working unpaid internships, or working at Dunkin’ Donuts with college degrees?
Anyway, I say all this as someone who is just happy I’ll be a CPA in a year. Good luck!
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Implicit in Sean’s question and many of the responses is the idea that he is somehow responsible for his parents and their financial future. I come from a family where it was always made clear that children are NEVER responsible for the parents and their choices. Thus, my parents never shared their financial information with me, and I never expected to receive it.
There is a a subtle, although no doubt unintended, insult to the intelligence of Sean’s parents here. They sound capable of making their own financial plans; and unless they chose to involve Sean in the process, his only proper choice is to but out. Their finances are their business; not his.
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Another great recommendation for buying wine on the cheap is places like Walmart. Our local Walmart features 5 different brands under $4 a bottle, each of which has 3-5 different types of wine in both red and white. These are actually cheaper than the Boone and fruit wines. Most are from California, Argentina, Chile, South Africa and Australia. They are excellent weeknight wines, cooking wines, and wines when you are in a rut.
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If this is something that’s bothering you, then good for you for bringing it up! Those who say it’s not your place yet, just ignore them. Be oblique/polite..whatever you think works best when discussing something difficult with your folks. If your parents say ‘hey we understand you’re concerned, but everything’s ok’ then to some extent you can let it stop bothering you. But that doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t help with your expenses.
Two good moves I made while in college:
- I was an RA. In my case this meant free housing on campus, part of my meals covered, and a little extra cash. And my own room! At least in my case, it was so little work, given the value, it seemed totally silly that I didn’t do it every year.
- I worked. Some semesters I worked a lot (30+hrs). Some I worked less (10-15hrs). Depended on my class load. Some people work more, though I would have had trouble with that. But working meant that I had some money coming in, I was less likely to spend my time spending money (boredom = drinking, right?), and when I left college I had some good professional contacts and a resume. Smart employers have two criteria: 1) smart and 2) gets stuff done. Success in school gives you the first, but only jobs and leadership roles can give you the second.
I suggest taking at least one restaurant job, as once you’ve worked in a restaurant you can get a job working in one anywhere in the country if you ever need to.
I stumbled into both of these. You shouldn’t need to. And you shouldn’t wait until your parents tell you that you’re a financial burden (newsflash: you are! but they love you anyway) to take advantage.
Ah, and another vote for filling out FAFSA every year. It’s annoying and intrusive, but that’s no excuse.
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To the contrary, I think graduating with a little debt is very motivating to get off your butt and hustle for a job. Instead of debating: debt/no debt, let’s try to decide what is a reasonable level. I think of higher education as an investment with long term rewards (higher income, shorter periods of unemployment). If you think it’s okay to borrow money to purchase a home, why not carry SOME debt to finance your education?
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Here’s a different perspective from someone who is closer to the age of your Dad:
It’s good that you’re thinking seriously about finances (probably a change for you), but your parents are a long way from being old and dependent on you/dying, and you’re still just a kid (especially in their eyes since they’re supporting you). There is absolutely no need for you to know all about their finances now, even if it is true that you’re worried about their retirement. (BTW, my teenage kids don’t know my income either). You’re parents are grown-ups–they can deal.
More importantly, you don’t sound very grown up yourself. It’s not like you could pay for your college yourself even if you needed to. Instead of wondering if your family is really rich or not, why not get a part time job while you’re in school and support your living expenses at least? And plan on graduating in 4 years with good grades and a good degree, and set yourself up in a career.
Whether you’re parents are wealthy or poor, ultimately you will need to pay attention to your own future.
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It is a very good thing how sensitive Sean is with their finances. I am oblivious about his parents’ disposition but he can probably try engaging in a casual and light conversation with them. I do not know if this will work but he can give it a try. I think it is important if he will not betray any sign of doubt or worry about their finances so it will be easier for his parent to open up to him.
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I agree it’s important to share information. The topic of money in my immediate family (my parents, their sibs, and my cousins) while I was growing up caused a lot of ill-will and mistrust that continues to this day. People would fight over who got what ‘before a body was even cold’ was how one of my relatives put it. Lucky for me, I moved overseas and away from the fray in my early 20s so avoided much of the rancor. Life is too short and to me what really matters is goodwill. You can’t take it with you. Fighting over who gets Grandma’s gold jewelry, or not sharing a parent’s will with sibs causes so many bad feelings…I hope to never see that happen with our kids.
My husband and I are very frugal now that we have gotten older and wiser. We have always been 100% open with our sons about finances to the extent that we all have linked accounts and are co-signers. Likely this is due in part that we have lived overseas their entire lives. Just recently two moved to the US into our first home – what will become my husband’s and my retirement home. We did not want to rent, so the two youngest, now young adults, are living there and continuing their on-line college courses which, for the most part, they have paid for themselves through seasonal work they did while living overseas. They regularly put extra money into their savings accounts and are regular readers of GRS. Now they are settling into a new lifestyle and learning how to do the necessaries to become independent – handle bill paying, get a driving license, look for jobs and decide about further educational opportunities.
Forums like this one have helped us immensely as we’ve moved through the different steps in our individual and family futures. Dinner conversations would revolve around whatever decisions we were in the process of making at that time, and we discussed pros and cons of different issues.
As parents, my husband and I completed the required financial forms and our sons were able to benefit to some extent from scholarships or small loans which are now paid off. They did all sorts of odd jobs, such as baby, pet, and plant sitting, in addition to seasonal work, most of which was offered through my workplace. And they saved, saved, saved!
It will be interesting to see as time goes on if the two youngest will be influenced by the ‘spend’ culture in which they now find themselves. So far, so good as they seem content to ‘make do’ with what they have rather than wanting new, fancy things.
I think it’s a good idea for Sean to broach the subject with his parents and also to make a concerted effort to find work to supplement his expenses. How his parents respond depends on various factors, some of which may be due to their experiences growing up. Over time they may become more open, but perhaps they won’t. I think the best scenario is for Sean and his sib to find some type of part-time job and contribute towards their education.
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I can’t get past $50,000 a year for tuition and living expenses for an *undergrad* degree. I think, if one were truly concerned about the monetary burden one was having on parents, the first thing to do would be to evaluate whether or not that education is worth it. Assuming Sean graduates in 4 years that is $200,000 spent- more than my friend who went to law school in California took out in loans/living expenses for 3 years in an expensive city getting a notoriously expensive degree. That’s eye popping.
I agree with others that the FAFSA needs to be filled out, stat. And Sean should work at least part time during the school year, and full time during the summer.
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I’m kinda wondering how much of that 50K is tuition and how much is living expenses?
I mean, you can’t do anything about tuition at your school of choice, but you can control (to a limited degree anyway, and sometimes to a huge degree) the living expenses.
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