Two months ago today, I asked my wife for a divorce.
I won’t be writing about the personal aspects of the divorce at Get Rich Slowly. In fact, other than some brief background at my personal site, I don’t intend to write it about it on the web at all. Kris and I are both emotional wrecks right now; the wounds are fresh and raw for both of us.
That said, I can no longer avoid sharing the truth with GRS readers. Too many of my financial decisions — present and future — are tied to the divorce. I’m hunting for health insurance, for instance, and I’ll have to re-evaluate my asset allocation. And ten days ago, I moved to a new apartment.
Living Small
For the past eight years, Kris and I have lived in an 1800-square-foot house on three-fifths of an acre. The place also includes a large garage, a workshop, and a couple of out-buildings. Plus, I’ve been leasing an office up the street. Despite working to reduce clutter in my life, I have a lot of Stuff. I’ve written a lot about wanting to simplify, about wanting to live in a smaller space, but I’ve been reluctant to take the necessary action.
Now, though, I’m moving. And because I’m moving, I feel obligated to practice what I preach. While part of me wants to find another house (Kris is keeping ours), I know it’s better to find a smaller space and to adjust my life to fit it. Thus, I’ve been looking to see how some of my friends manage to live not-so-big lives.
For instance, last fall Tammy — who writes about simplicity at Rowdy Kittens (and who shared a GRS reader story about the benefits of biking) — moved into a tiny house. The entire home is only 130 square feet! She and her husband had me over for dinner recently, and I shot some video of the space:
I loved Tammy and Logan’s tiny house. The floor plan is well-designed and functional. Still, I’m not ready to live that small just yet.
Instead, I opted to rent an apartment.
The Apartment
While most folks were spending Thanksgiving week, well, giving thanks, I was hunting for apartments. Some might consider going from house to apartment a step backward. I don’t mind. In fact, as I’ve mentioned before, I actually believe renting can be a great choice for the right person. In this case, I think I’m the right person.
While searching for a place to live, I tried to take a lot of things into account. Price was important, obviously, but so was the age of the place, the layout, and, especially, the location. Over the past five years, I’ve come to place a premium on walkable neighborhoods, and I know I wanted an apartment with a high walk score.
I found a place I liked in a good location near downtown Portland — the biggest drawback is that it’s right next to a donut shop (danger! danger!) — and signed a lease. But then I started to worry that I was paying too much. By comparing notes with other people, I’ve since decided that while I’m not getting a bargain, my rent is reasonable.
Best of all, the apartment has a walk score of 88 (very walkable) and a transit score of 73 (excellent transit). And because I’m an avid walker, I can reach neighborhoods that the Walk Score app doesn’t consider. (As a comparison, our house has a walk score of 49, meaning car-dependent, and a transit score of 32, which means it has some transit.)
I’ve been in my new place for ten days now, and I like it — but it doesn’t feel like home. Still, I’m trying to make the most of these 705 square feet. Instead of just talking about how much I want to cut back on clutter, I’ve been faced with tough decisions every day. Which books do I keep? Which comics? How many pairs of shoes? How many jackets? Do I really need (or want) my records and record player?
By making judicious choices (and with the help of some new furniture from Ikea), I think I’ve reached a good balance. My new place contains the things I need — but it’s not filled with a lot of clutter and junk. It’s my hope that this will continue for the foreseeable future.
Fear of the Future
Now that I have a place to live — and now that I’m mostly unpacked — there are other problems to tackle as a result of the divorce.
For one, how do I handle health insurance? For eighteen years, I’ve been on Kris’ policy. Not anymore. After the divorce is final, I have only a few weeks (or maybe even just a few days) before my coverage with her carrier lapses. I’m the sort of guy who might risk going without health insurance for a few months or years, but Kris won’t have it. “We are not getting a divorce until you can prove to me that you have health insurance,” she told me the other day.
Meanwhile, what do I do about my office? Does it make sense to continue to rent that space? Should I find someplace closer? More importantly, what about day-to-day stuff like laundry and groceries. Obviously, I’m capable of handling these chores on my own, but due to the division of labor within our marriage, I’ve always relied on Kris to handle most of these chores. Now I’m going to have to budget for food, plan meals, and buy supplies on my own.
Kris has lots of questions about the future too. She’s still in the house, after all. How will she handle the yard work? Who’s going to take care of her car? And so on. But she too is capable of handling these things on her own. Besides, we both agree that figuring out the chores is inconsequential to figuring out the big stuff, the emotional stuff.
For now, Kris and I are still in constant contact. We had dinner Friday night, I drove by the house yesterday, and we’ll have dinner together tomorrow night. Plus, we still plan to share a vacation to Argentina in a few weeks. If one of us gets into trouble, the other will be there to help. Our marriage may be ending, but our friendship isn’t.
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I can see that I’m in the minority here, but I’ve decided that today is going to be my last day as a reader of this blog. Losing one person isn’t going to matter to JD and that’s fine.
I have no judgements whatsoever about divorce– it happens all the time, usually it’s sad but sometimes it’s for the best, etc.
What I am really sad about here is the direction that this blog has taken over the last year– from entertaining, informative, fresh resource on personal finance to irritating chronicle of JD’s descent into every pathetic mid-life crisis cliche in the book. I half expect in a few weeks we’ll be seeing an article about whether to buy a red Mini Cooper convertible (not that I’ll be around to read it).
It seems pretty clear that GRS has moved from being a personal finance blog to a “lifestyle” blog… and it’s not coming back anytime soon. I hope GRS decides to return to its roots, but I’ll be going elsewhere from now on.
Kris, I wish you nothing but the best. JD, have fun “dominating the world”. I suspect it’s not going to be as fulfilling as you think.
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Count me in, too- this blog is no longer offering much relevant advice to my life (or the life of anyone I know, really), and hasn’t for awhile; this post was just the final reminder.
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I totally agree with your comments, Kelly. I have been feeling the same way about the articles that I read on here the past year or so. More “fluff” than “stuff”. Consider this my last visit to your “personal” finance site, JD.
Best wishes to Kris and her future. JD,I don’t know what you are thinking. As the saying goes… “the grass is not always greener on the other side.”
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Kris, Hope you find an adult to share your life. You raised this child for 23 years, flip him out of the nest. And since he is “of age” and now so bright, let him find and get his own darn insurance.
You are being too kind, too civilized. Get over it! Toss the bum out. Knock the sand off your sandals and move on.
Listen to your friends.
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I agree. I no longer feel that I can relate to JD anymore. This will be the last post I read from the site. I say this not out of malice for his decision but merely as a heads up to his business.
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Best wishes to you both. After the initial shock of having to deal with the details, it can be a relief and allow you to embark on a new adventure. I hope that is the case for you and for Kris.
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Peace to you both.
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I suspect this will be one of the most-commented posts of the year. I’ve been reading on and off throughout the day, torn about how to feel about this. I agree with many of the posts, both positive and negative. But at the end of the day I do hope that both JD and Kris ultimately find happiness.
The narrative of the blog might make it seem like the result of a midlife crisis, but one question that came to my mind was — what if one of them changed his/her mind about wanting a family? There is so much we don’t know (and won’t know), and many reasons for divorce beyond the cliches.
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I know, right? Thank you for your succinct, level-headed comment. I totally agree with you.
What if he wants kids? What if someone cheated? What if JD’s gay? What if he wants to take a vow of poverty?
Call me naive (probably fair), but there are a million reasons, and JD simply doesn’t have to tell us what it is. While I am inclined to agree with commenters like El Nerdo, who point out the possible foolishness and cliche of this decision… I suspect that if JD DID open up and tell us everything, most of us would be saying, “Oh, yeah. I see your point.”
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I feel the same way. Its just shocking, but I guess not surprising. A lot of marriages end around middle age.
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Man I’ll tell you what; I hate this (deeply) for you both. If I may speak candidly for a moment; I have really been “growing apart” for this blog for several months now as I have felt a shift in the core message and value systems. I have been reading GRS from day 1 – what drew me in was the classic story of “the underdog”. Against all odds, an average man stepped out to work @ the box factoring in a quest to eliminate his debt! I was deeply in debt at that point and it was so refreshing to read about an average Joe tackling debt with a vengeance and leaving a breadcrumb trail of actionable steps for the rest of us to follow. This blog (and truly remarkable community of commenters) helped me pay off all my debt (50+K). I lost a ton of weight and got into phenomenal shape (around the same time you did JD!). This blog has been a daily part of my life – as encouragement, motivation and a platform for financial ideas worth spreading.
The reason why people love the story of the underdog is because when he wins, a small piece of us believes we can win to (I literally typed that with sincere emotion).
I hate that you weren’t able (or unwilling whatever the case may be) to find a path towards success in your marriage like you did with your finances. Actually you know what? I hate it for ALL of us. That would have been a pretty freekn’ cool journey to take together…
I hate (HATE) when a story has an unhappy ending. I will be praying for you and Kris both.
I really do wish you would put in some serious time with counselor’s etc. before coming to such a conclusion. Actually I will tell you right now that you are being seriously irresponsible if you DON’T DO THAT (yes I just yell that at you – I care for you man). I mean what did you do when you couldn’t figure out how to manage money for all those decades? You started learning EVERYTHING about how to win with your money. Right? Well? Didn’t you? Why not apply that same vigor and determination to your marriage? Come on dude – do you have an answer for that?
This was a great book that has taken me 5+ years to read. Like any great story I have learned a lot and been truly inspired. I will always be thankful for that. I do consider you a friend JD – though we have never met in person. However it is time for me to put this book down and continue my journey elsewhere. I need a platform for 3rd and 4th stages of finance where a man and his wife manage money together through life’s twists and turns (children, college savings, Christmas gifts for relatives, In-laws need a place to live etc.), because honestly that is where I am at. I know other GRS readers have to be feeling the same way here. I find it hard to relate to you as you are now globetrotting all over the world and living a mid-life bachelor’s lifestyle on the back of your (so to be ex) wife’s former support system.
- Nate
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Dave Ramsey says “Money makes you more of what you are” -I’m kind of wondering if JD is doing all the things that he didn’t get to do when he was younger and in massive debt?
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Your comment, much like El Nerdo’s for me, resonated big time. It’s ridiculous, but it feels like we’re all getting divorced. I, too, have been here for years and am on the fence about staying because as the site has changed– it has not been as inspirational for me. Some commenters are not going to understand that– but then, we are all different so they are probably inspired differently and get different things out of Get Rich Slowly.
So, as I mull over what to do with a bruised heart– I’m going to use this, possibly my last comment ever, to say thank you. Thanks to everyone– writers, commenters, etc., you have helped in innumerable ways.
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I really really like this comment.
I am not surprised by your announcement JD, but I am dissapointed. When I started reading the blog – it resonated with me. I wasn’t so deep in debt (I guess maybe I was but I dont’ like to admit it). But I was inspired, by the decluttering, the concious spending, saving, looking at the big picture, all of it literaly changed my life. It changed my framework for seeing the world, and for that I truly am grateful.
I’m so sad that I no longer feel like you’re an inspiration. That you have become an example of what not to do. That your voice is no longer one that I want advice from.
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Nate @#215 – why assume this is an unhappy ending? It’s an unhappy event on the journey, but it’s not the end of JD or Kris. Perhaps the most unhappy thing they could have done is stay together.
It’s cliche, but it’s true that when one one door closes, another opens. I suspect that after healing has occurred, both JD and Kris will find something wonderful in their lives that would never have happened if they had stayed together.
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I’m so sorry to hear that you are going through a divorce. Breakups are always hard. Consider not announcing to the world that you are the one who asked for a divorce. It’s petty at best and mean-spirited at worst. All in all completely unnecessary.
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Looking through the thread it’s clear there is plenty of judgment out there for those that would give up on a marriage. I think JD prob knew that was coming and felt the additional info would be more fair to Kris by sparing her that.
I also hope they have given counseling a shot. Relationships are not intuitive for most of us, Harville Hendricks and Marianne Williamson have some very helpful books on this.
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Then it’s petty or mean-spirited on her part. It’s your blog JD. Still very sorry for your loss.
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I thought it was nice to know who initiated it – it kept a bunch of people from lashing out at Kris in defense of JD, which would have happened in a heart beat since many readers have been following JD for years (heck, I started my own blog because of FMF and GRS and I’ve only been tuned in since the end of 2009). That is probably exactly why Kris insisted on it – I definitely would make it very well known that I didn’t instigate something that would get everyone riled up.
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I did a double take when reading you and Kris were getting a divorce. Wishing you both the best of luck going forward. As far as the health insurance goes, from personal experience, buying your own plan through a broker rather than doing COBRA is usually a lot cheaper.
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All I can say is none of us really know what happens behind the scenes. Some of you may think you know what’s going on based on what you have read throughout the last few months, years even, but how much of a percentage of his life does JD share with us here?
Yes, it’s possible some of the assumptions being made here reflect the truth. But it’s also possible that the divorce has nothing to do with anything we’ve ever read on this blog – it could be really, really personal stuff, like maybe one person wants to adopt a child, another doesn’t; or sexual intimacy has completely dried up despite all efforts; or whatever else… who knows for sure? I know I don’t.
I do feel sorry to see the marriage end though. Best of luck to both JD and Kris. I hope you both find happiness, apart or together.
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I’m pretty sure my comment will get lost in the 200+ comments on this post.
My parents legally separated after 30+ years of marriage last year (you might want to look into this option J.D, instead of divorce).
The 26 years I have been on this Earth and I see all of this.
My parents were no longer on the same page. They had different goals and ideas about their future.
Well my mom had the same goals from when she first married him. Stick by him for life. I thought that was what marriage was. She stuck by him in bankruptcy, dozens of credit cards, cheating, etc., etc.
My dad initiated the separation.
Leaving your spouse is selfish. Somewhere in your mind you’re trying to make it okay, but it’s 100% selfish. At the end of the day all you’re thinking about is yourself and your own happiness.
I still love my dad (wonderful father, lousy husband) and I hope he “finds” his happiness. I see that a huge weight has been lifted off his shoulders, whatever it was it’s gone.
And J.D, I hope you find your happiness too. But you are in the same category as my father, a selfish man.
Kris I’m sorry.
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I’m saddened, but I’m not surprised. I was hoping it was just different strokes, but sometimes when things don’t feel right they aren’t right.
It’s easy to want to project because I hate to even imagine how I would feel if my husband decided to leave me, but nobody really knows what someone else’s relationship is like on the inside.
Even happy relationships have their down sides, so it’s hard to justify tolerating the little annoyances, extra work, the compromise etc unless you are very happy with someone and you feel you can please them without contorting yourself. Doing it when there are no kids involved is almost impossible to justify.
Very sad, though and I hope you will both find a happier life when you’ve healed.
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Wow. I already knew about the divorce from your personal blog, I read your post today, and I just finished reading every, single comment. I am reeling and I’m not even involved – the amount of emotion from everyone is astounding and overwhelming. Good luck to you and Kris on handling your own feelings along with everyone else’s.
I don’t have any great advice or words of wisdom about amicable divorces…my husband and I have been together for 11 years and married for 6. I think we’re still classified as newbies. We have had moments of complete frustration and a few days total of even considering leaving each other in the past, but it has always been emotionally driven drama that did not have as much thought involved as what you and Kris are dealing with. So I will wish the most happiness possible for you both and leave it at that.
As for you initiating it – that sucks for Kris but being married to someone who rather not be married to you would probably suck more in the long run. So Kris, woman to woman, if/when you ever hit that anger stage that I seem to hit when crap hits the fan in my relationship, don’t do anything permanent. You don’t seem like a yeller, screamer, or thrower from your posts, so take it from someone who may have these tendencies – don’t do anything permanent. And I am so glad you have close friends to lean on. My friends are the family I have chosen – they are there for you and want to help. Good luck.
As for your new apartment, it sounds great. I hate driving, so yay for a high walk score.
For health insurance, I have found some awesome policies on Esurance.com for myself and my husband for the day he works from home with me…some of the policy options are actually better AND cheaper than the crappy policy that teachers get here in Texas.
As for your office, I would stop renting a separate space myself simply since I have found that just having a routine in a home office can lead to the same quality of work that I got from physically leaving the house to work elsewhere. So, it’s less commuting, cheaper, and works just the same for me…maybe try it out and see?
As far as chores and stuff like lawn and car work – outsource baby! My favorite splurges have been our housekeeper and lawn guy. Since neither one of us enjoys either thing, it just made sense to use some of the monthly extra to have someone else do them for us. It’s obviously not luxuries everyone should splurge on, but when you have taken care of your bills and saving for your future, using extra money to make yourself happier seems like a good idea. In your case, you seem to have something against laundry, so maybe you clean your own bathroom but hire a laundry service?
My best wishes to absolutely everyone today – so much emotion, so little happiness. Good luck.
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Folks, let’s remember why we are here and what this man has done for many of our lives. Things change constantly, always, and this man has done nothing but help and inspire people for *years.* This approach of helping others is heroic. Think about that for just one second and then really see what dawns in your heart. Why not just let this whole thing develop as it is, as there could be a lot of magic for all involved due to this new development — very beautiful situations have developed out of initial chaos. The point is, none of us know really know what’s what, so what we end up with is nothing but ourselves bouncing back on ourselves. Why not just take an attitude of basic trust in the author that he is doing the right thing instead of trying to create theories or whatever? This attitude makes so much more sense than mere speculation, and it shows the proper respect for an author who has helped a great many of us w/ a number of different things, and not just financial things at that.
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It’s amazing how many people can read a few paragraphs and know everything that goes on in JD’s life.
I’ve also been reading the blog for several years, but I don’t think that gives me some special insight into the day to day workings of their relationship. Too many of you are projecting you own issues onto the situation. If you just need drama (especially the “all men are all terrible” kind) you should try the Lifetime channel.
I also don’t understand the comments from people threatening to leave the site because the author is getting divorced. This seems like exactly the kind of real world scenario that people can learn a lot of financial advice from. People get divorced… maybe we should discuss the financial side of the issue. I doubt you were reading this site for marital advice anyway.
I hope JD and Kris both find more joy than they ever dreamed possible! Good luck to both of you!
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Well what does he expect when he puts it out there? People are curious. When you read a blog that writer becomes a part of your everyday life.
They’re like a neighbor, acquaintance, or co-worker. If he didn’t want people musing about his life then he shouldn’t have talked about it at all.
This whole thing reminds me of people that lose excessive weight and sometimes their family and friends don’t like the new changes. Sometimes friendships and relationships are lost.
I’m kind of wondering if that’s what happened here. That there was a shift in the relationship somehow with all the changes. Its common for people to divorce around middle age.
A lot of marriages end around middle age, especially when the kids leave the nest, many people start over around this time, some people see it as their “last chance” to live the life they want before they become too old.
They change jobs, start businesses, try to find new partners, etc. I do wish them the best though. My heart really goes out to Kris. I’m more on her side, lol.
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“Do what you feel in your heart to be right —
for you’ll be criticized anyway.”
Eleanor Roosevelt
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I’ve been reading this blog for 6 months and had thought of finally commenting on one of my favorite posts, when I came across this on the front page. I can only extend my general well wishes for the both of you, and the idea that you have both touched a lot of people and shared so much with us. I wish you both the best and while I am always saddened by the end of relationships, only you know what’s best for you.
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Kris, hopefully, will check with an attorney that she is receiving her fair due for her years in the marriage.
Honestly it sounds like you are decluttering a wife in order to have a small home.
My ex had a midlife crisis after 25 years and insisted on a divorce which I did not want. Despite his protests there was another woman in the wings. Eighteen months later he wanted us to remarry. I was no longer interested.
Of course Kris wants you to go on the trip with her. She is probably hoping you will change your mind.
I wish Kris well.
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Look after yourself JD. It is a shame, but if you both felt it was right, then it’s right.
Is it bad my first thought was “who gets the cats?”
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I’ve actually been wondering the same thing…..
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Haha. Just noticed this comment. Very funny. Actually, the split of the cats is welcome. Because we inherited two of my Mom’s cats, we were up to five. Five cats is too many cats. (Well, not really. I’d be the Crazy Cat Man if left to my own devices.)
Kris is keeping Simon, her favorite, as well as Socks (the little imp from my mother) and Max/Meatball. She asked me to take Silver (also from my mother, and Simon’s blood brother) and Nemo (the neurotic Siamese). My cats just came over to the apartment two days ago, and they’re a little disgruntled about not being let outside…
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Ah, good to know. I was concerned that either you or Kris would end up a crazy cat person with all the cats, leaving the other person with an empty house and no cats
I do NOT envy you in an apartment with a Siamese who’s used to going outside! MEOW OW YOW YOW MEOW MEOW YOWOWOWOWOOOWWWW will be your feline theme-tune.
Well, good luck not going crazy shut in with a Siamese, and with everything else (resist the call of doughnuts, Voodoo or otherwise!)
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I am so sorry to know about that big change of your life. I takes huge encourage to brake a marriage. You are brave! Getting single again is not a bad thing sometimes if you can have a better life. All the best!
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I have been sad all day since reading this post this morning. But in my own life, some of the best things have come out of the most painful, sad, and difficult experiences. I hope the same will be true for you and Kris as you work your way through this. You need to live your own lives, not the “shoulds” that come from other people. I don’t think it is an accident that you re-posted that troll article the other day. Do your best to work through this as honestly and transparently as you can with Kris — it is the fairest thing for both of you. And try to let the comments of people who don’t know the whole situation roll off your back as much as you can.
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My message to you both, but mostly for Kris, is to end it. Period. Forget the “best” friendship part and head directly to “cordial on the street”. Without children, as you move into your separate lives, the friendship you worked so hard to replace your marriage with, will also dwindle painfully…if you’ve grown so far apart as to not be able to save your marriage, the work of the friendship will not be natural and you most likely will cause more pain than you intended.
Kris will simply become a person you have “friendly” feelings for which will cut her to the quick–whether she tells you or not–after having had much more from you. I know it doesn’t seem possible for how you feel about the person Kris–as opposed to the wife Kris–but trust me, it’ll happen. Alternate life paths have a habit of doing that when you don’t travel together.
Are you a band-aid off quick person? Or a band-aid off slow? Either way it’s gonna end up gone and either way it’s gonna hurt. Do both of you want to spend another two years negotiating whether to send/receive christmas cards? Do you want to be invited to her wedding? Seriously?
I speak from experience that can match your 23 years. And I speak to JD, because it is a future I imposed upon someone, for all the same reasons, and using many of the same verbal phrases…not had imposed upon me.
I know she asked for it…but you might want to have discussion as to why. Both of you seem to be secretly hoping the other will come to their senses: she, that you’ll come back; and you, that she’ll let you go with as little quilt as possible. Detouring into friendship first, will not assuage the guilt. You’ll have regrets, even if you don’t regret ending the marriage overall, for the rest of your life.
Remember, a lot of the commenters above who said their parents remained great friends were just that…parents. It won’t mean you end up hating each other, it will simply mean that you will end up not knowing where the other is, or what they are doing, or who in their family just died, etc. Calls not returned, or returned later; dates to catch up rescheduled indefinitely…it happens.
This post has more to do with initial impressions garnered from years (the beginning) of reading this blog daily, then later meandering in to ‘catch up’ every week or two. The Blog is becoming no longer relevant to my life and not because of what other commenters suggest as far as becoming “life of JD and his pack of writers”, but politically–since I know (legal background) that most modern retirement and money management plans are skewed towards benefiting the offerer rather than the participant, and I’ve chosen not to play and therefore find no interest in keeping up with their doings…that said…I’ve continued to check in simply because I like JD…even if what he writes about no longer means anything to me.
But eventually, I’ll stop meandering in to see what JD is up to….and so will Kris.
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It does seem like Kris is making decisions based upon hoping that you will change your mind JD. And while she is an adult and has that option – if you are truly convinced that you aren’t going to change your mind – allowing her to hope you will is cruel. It may be cruel with the best of intentions, but if you can recognize the cruelty – you need to stop hiding your actions behind “good intentions”.
Don’t just be willing to not go on this trip to Argentina. You should step up and choose not to go. Then Kris can decide whether or not she wants to go alone, but she won’t have any hope that this trip will make you “look at her” and not want a divorce.
And if you do have her best interests at heart – you would be pushing her to get legal representation. You would be saying that you aren’t stopping by for dinner or to check in (even if that is what she says she wants). You’ve already stated that you ultimately don’t care what she wants when you asked her for the divorce. Giving her crumbs in the form of dinners as a way to slowly part isn’t kind.
I am trying my best not to comment or judge your choice to ask for a divorce. So, please don’t read this comment as telling you that you shouldn’t ask for or want a divorce. I am more trying to tell you that you are falling into the trap so many people do when they try to break off a relationship.
And while you and Kris may have been together for 23 years and you know more about your relationship than any of us do – as someone who has been married for over a decade and dated more people than she could count before getting married – your choice of HOW to end this is one of the worst ones out there. That may not be your fault necessarily – it doesn’t sound like you dated a ton before Kris so you might not have a ton of experience with this part of a relationship.
If something is over, it is over. No amount of caring is going to make the rejected party feel better or get “closure”. Having been on both sides of this equation – you need to cut it off and not go back endlessly.
Will this choice make Kris mad? Will it hurt her worse than anything else? Yes, it will. But it will also make her face the fact that you’re not putting her first in any of these choices (and you cannot put her first in this situation. it is literally impossible with your choice to ask for divorce. Then she can really make choices based upon what she decides she wants – without your input.
Do the right thing JD – stand by your choice and really make it. Let Kris go to make her own choices without you there.
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Sasha, Thanks for saying what I’ve been thinking as I read through all of the comments. You are so right that the focus should not be on whether or not there should be a divorce, because that decision has already been made. The focus needs to be on how things should look going forward – and JD, while perhaps trying to be kind (and maybe assuage some guilt?) is not being realistic and only making matters worse. There needs to be some separation and time apart before you can work on building the ‘new normal’, whatever that may end up looking like.
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+1more to this.
A clean break is usually best. While being able to be friends afterwards is great, I’d only do so after a period apart, and after the one who got broken up on asked for it.
As the one who initiated the break up, you’ve more solidly made up your mind that it’s over. But it’s not so for the other side. Often seperation is the only way for someome to realize that is a true and actual break and no longer seeing each other. They might feel pressured to accept the friendship from social pressure (to show that it’s an amicable thing, or that they’re not a cruel person since you’re suffering too), or they might still have some hope that it won’t end up truly over. Most of the time it’s not reall conscious, they’re still in love so they can’t see clearly that they’re not yet over it.
It certainly is a hard thing to accept in the short term, but it’s less cruel than potentially strining them along indefinately. Just make sure they have a support network outside yourself.
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I think you’re being a bit of a tease here. We’re less interested in how to rent an apartment above a doughnut shop and more interested in how selling a blog for seven figures changes your life. I selfishly hope the answer isn’t simply the predictable “ditch your wife and travel the world” – we have all the mediocre location-independent-living blogs we need and then some.
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You are speaking only for yourself.
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J.D. You and Kris have my admiration for having the guts to post about this on here. Writing about your private life to a bunch of (mostly) strangers takes a lot of balls. And it must be so exhausting reading the views of other people who think they know you and have a right to tell you how to live. I’ve read all the comments on this post and heck, I’m exhausted. Lord only knows how tired and drained you and Kris feel.
After many years of blogging and building a loyal readership, I ended my own blog two years ago because I became so incredibly weary with well-meaning commenters thinking that they knew me and my family, and because they had been reading for so long, they therefore had a right to tell me how to live. Although I loved getting comments and I loved helping people even more, nevertheless living in the public eye all the time was leaving me a complete emotional wreck – it was like being put through the toughest setting of the washing machine in a never-ending cycle.
I know you have a tough skin, so I hope it doesn’t get to you the way it did to me. But from one who’s been there, one thing I will say is please don’t be afraid to let your staff writers take the load for a few weeks while you and Kris step back and recover. I’m guessing you both need a bit of a break from cyberspace around now.
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I’m really sorry to hear things haven’t been going well for you and Kris, JD. I think it’s an honorable thing though to move on before things get really bad (to the point of not being able to be civil with each other or there’s cheating). I was just saying recently that I think it would be great if more relationships could end when they are really meant to and not dragged out which often creates more problems in the long run. Your’s is the first example I’ve heard of since I said that and I think the world would be a better place if people could move on this way.
I understand how it goes downsizing and having to make all those decisions about your “stuff.” Many years ago, after my parents’ divorce, my mom and I moved out of the larger family home into a little bit smaller home and we gave away a TON of stuff. We didn’t have a lot of excess but after almost 30 years of marriage and 2 children, a lot of life had happened. Luckily, I’ve only regretted giving away a couple small things. No big deal. (It was perfect timing too, as our neighbor’s brother was holding a huge garage sale to help him raise money to buy a leader dog.) Best wishes with everything and thanks for sharing (as much as you did of) your story!
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Like other readers who have taken a day or two to chime in, I’ve gotta say this news impacted me more than I figured it would, as you JD are not someone I have ever met face to face. So chaulk this up as another comment from a stranger but….
1) I’m sorry to hear this. From a 50,000 foot view, without all the details of your marriage situation – I always admired you and Kris, your choices and the way you worked together as partners – I liked her patience with you and your admiration of her (from what I read via GRS) 2) My sincerest well wishes go out to Kris. How painful and difficult. I am sending you hugs and will request peace and calm for your heart during this time 3) JD I am wishing you the best too. Not as freely as I do Kris, as I (an outsider mind you) can’t understand how/why this is a good move. Regardless, splits are hard. I hope you are doing OK and getting the support you need.
Just a wild thought – You say your wife is always right. And she doesn’t seem to believe this is as good a move as you do. Please weigh that carefully.
I hope, really hope, that you guys continue to move slowly and methodically enough to salvage what can be saved and avoid any majorly bad decisions. Again, as an outsider (and a single one at that), all I can think is that you don’t want to get into a situation one day where you wake up and think “what have I done??”. It seems to me Love is a hard, complicated thing to get, to have, and to hold on to. So all the best to you both. And please, each of you, take good care of yourselves emotionally and physically.
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As angry as I am that someone I look up to may be totally selfish….my heart wonders if there is more to this. If JD is coming out of the closet for example, than we really need to rally behind him and show love. I can’t help but be 100% supportive if this is the case. IF this is the case then this post is not really even about divorce.
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What’s up with all of the JD might be gay comments? If that were the case, don’t you think Kris would most likely want the divorce? She doesn’t.
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I don’t know about that. An… acquaintance of mine asked for a divorce from his wife only once he was ready to come out. She didn’t know he was gay until the day he served her with papers.
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JD,
Long time lurker and sometime poster wishing both you and Kris all of the best. I can’t imagine what you both are going through as it is never easy to end a long term marriage or relationship, but kudos to you both for being civil and making it a priority to have a solid relationship your goal for what comes next.
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I’ve been reading GRS for several years, never met you in person, but for some reason I’ve been thinking about your announcement since I read it yesterday morning and it makes me terribly sad. Like others, I’ve been inspired by your story and looked up to you in both your professional and personal (what you’ve shared of it) life.
Again, you’ve inspired me…but perhaps not in the way you might think. You’ve inspired me to invest more time, energy and learning into my own young marriage NOW. Just like no one taught me how to manage my money, no one taught me how to be married. I had examples to look at, but I never spent a lot of time thinking about and discussing how marriage works, how to communicate with my husband and how to continue to cultivate a deep friendship with the person that I’ve pledged to be with for the rest of my life. I know there are no guarantees in life but perhaps some study and planning will help me to avoid being in your shoes in 20 years; even though we are happy now, I suppose it’s easy to turn on the “autopilot” and forget to do the things in a marriage which makes one successful in other areas of life.
I don’t know if what happened for you and Kris was a long, slow decline of growing apart, or a more immediate crisis but it certainly serves as a wake up call for me.
I hope both of you find peace and happiness in the future.
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Good luck with the split and the move.
I suspect for the sake of your blood pressure levels you may have stopped reading this far, JD, but at some point I think it would be interesting to know your response to some of the concerns buried in the comments above about the site direction. Are you going to be continuing to write more “lifestyle design” pieces and are the new owners pushing for more “here is the best credit card” type stuff? I figure I’ll subscribe anyway, I’ve been reading since your posts were links to your book reviews on metafilter! but there seems to be a little anxiety about what will happen to GRS, which we love, with all of these changes.
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I’ve seen a few posts in this (extensive!) comment thread stating that the blog has been sold/has new owners. I don’t think it’s true, because I think JD would have disclosed it, but a solid yay or nay would be nice.
I imagine it’s very hard to keep things fresh, so you have my sympathy. I hope that 2012 brings new greatness to my favorite blog!
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I would bet that JD almost certainly signed some form of confidentiality agreement when he sold that would have kept him from disclosing aspects of the sale. JD was most likely not legally allowed to talk about it under the terms of the contract of the sale. THis is just assumption on my part but I’m pretty darn sure.
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Thanks for the response JD. For the record, I do enjoy the psychology/happiness/etc posts a great deal and think you do them very well, although it seems I am somewhat in the minority.
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Although I haven’t experienced it myself, I understand from observation that divorce is never easy, always painful and usually expensive.
I’ve heard that divorce is harder than death because divorce is a voluntary rejection and death is usually an involutary event.
Congradulations to both of you for being determined to stay friends and remaining civil in your communications. That too is very difficult.
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I know this has nothing to do with me, but I feel let down. This was a marriage that seemed progressive, it seemed positive, it seemed able to shift with the changing winds of two individual desires linked on the platform of love. It was something to aspire to. Now I feel discouraged about deciding to ever get married. But I know, nothing to do with me.
I wish you both peace with this decision.
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Oh, sheesh. I am glad I took a day to consider commenting. Like you said, life is happening besides blogging. Yes, you are a public figure, and yes, by posting about it and leaving comments open, you are up for judging. Very brave. Opinions differ. While there are plenty of “you’re leaving Kris while she stood by you” items, and “growing apart is not a reason for divorce” and so on, honestly, we don’t know Kris from Adam (or you, frankly, either), so none of us really knows what was/is happening in relationship beyond what you feel ok sharing from time to time. And if some of us suddenly feel like we are mind readers/psychologists who can “see through” some of your past sentences, you can dismiss that. That, too, shall pass. like soap opera, unless we are personally close to someone, we forget and go on, even if still chat occasionally about events. That said, only you and Kris can decide on your own path. And while you said that at the moment you and Kris have different opinions on that path, it is still you and she who is making decisions, not any of us “know it all”. I certainly asked enough opinions, shared enough events, and having being a somewhat “public” figure in my own much, much smaller pond, tried to hold majority of what’s going on inside my soul right there, inside, and sticking to the official content of my site (or related to it). So, read, sigh, agree, get pissed, and still do things you and Kris discuss without us.
That said, from the less emotional perspective, someone may benefit from the posts about what to do with finances in this situation. So, yes, telling readers about it was kind of a necessity. And nobody knows how it would have been best to handle, so you handled it your own way.
Heal up, both of you, no matter where you move from here. It takes far longer than anybody imagines, either side, either way. It never goes away. I am wishing you both patience.
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In general I am against counseling, but I think it preferable to ending such a long relationship so suddenly.
Surely it must be worth fighting for?
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“In general I am against counseling”
@AC – just curious, but why?
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Good luck. I can’t imagine what must be going on for something that makes this little sense to be the only way forward, so I wish you good luck.
Hell, I wish us all good luck, with finance, with marriage, with career goals and life.
Nothing I’ve ever done, that I am proud of, was ever easy. It was, without exception, the exact opposite.
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Sometimes people grow apart. It happens all the time, and I personally don’t believe people should have to stay together to fulfil an idealized concept of what a good and healthy relationship is. My parents recently divorced, and it was a very rocky time for both of them, but a year (ish) later and they are both much happier for where they are now than where they were in the final years of their marriage. One parent wanted it, and one parent didn’t. I believe that it is much sadder to witness the friendship within a marriage turn to something much more negative where neither spouse likes or respects each other.
Not that I am in any position to say this (but I will anyway), but I would caution against the trip to Argentina together. To me, it sounds a but like “I’m sorry for completely sidelining your life by asking for a divorce, so let me soothe my conscience by offering you something grand in return.” Even while the divorce proceedings are going on, you both need time and space from each other to learn to build your lives separately. After all, they’ve been together for 23 years. Allow the friendship between the two of you to rebuild outside of the marriage. Kris needs time and space away from you, and support from some one else right now. I’m sure that you will remain friends, but the friendship is going to be different from now on. It is one of the things you’ll need to accept as a result of making taking this step.
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My wife divorced me several years ago (I wanted to stay married) so I feel most empathetic towards Kris. But whatever issues compelled you to a place where divorce was preferable to staying married to your gentle wife must be immense.
After several years, I think I’m grateful for the divorce (we have kids, I see them or talk to them almost everyday which was my greatest concern). I would have stayed unhappily married forever to a wife who really wasn’t very nice to me – while it was painful and felt totally wrong at the time, in the long run I’m happier and more true to myself. I wish you both the best, especially Kris. I hope she has a handful of close friends to support her – I found that very helpful.
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I just wanted to offer a reading suggestion (not divorce self-help, either). My fav author of all time is Anthony de Mello. He was a Jesuit, but his writings transcend religion (I’m an atheist myself) Specifically, look up “Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality.” You can find an excerpt here (I’m not affiliated with the site – was just trying to find the paragraph about the proper kind of selfishness to suggest you read it. It’s a bit more than halfway down the page) http://www.enotalone.com/personal-growth/20927.html
In any case, best wishes to you both.
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As a 32 year old single, I have no marriage advice. However, I have found that within the past couple of years, most of my closest friends have went through divorces or the end of long term relationships. People are flawed, these things happen. Sure, I am a firm believer that marriage is for life. If I ever take the plunge, it will be until death. With that said, I understand that people change.
I don’t know enough about your situation and I can’t say I’m ever excited to hear about divorce (unless it is a case of abuse or infidelity, in that case, I’m willing to help the person move). However, I wish you well and I wish Kris all the best that life has to offer. Hopefully, you too can remain the best of friends.
I can relate with the relationship I had with my first roommate. We had difficulties living under the same roof (we tried three times) but then we’d get to missing each other when we went our separate ways. We were always much better apart. While a roommate relationship isn’t the same as a marriage (for obvious reasons), I can see where you are coming from.
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Maybe I’m more of a big picture person and I don’t dwell on the details of a particular person’s life, but for me, what this blog is really about is how to get rich slowly–but not only in terms of money but in terms of personal growth. Rich in spirit and purpose.
Yes, we’ve watched JD be the underdog on his personal finance journey but we’ve also watched him pursue his personal development journey. Not enough people work on themselves and are truly honest with what they want out of life but the benefit is that once you are living your life with purpose, the relationships in your life become more authentic and fulfilling. Too many people want to box up their lives and their loved ones and keep them crystalized forever. The results are what many commenters have put forward about being married for 30+ years and miserable (“but hey, at least you’re married!”)
Just as we’ve learned that the “keeping up with Jones’” strategy doesn’t work in personal finance, it also fails in genuine love relationships.
Change is a constant. JD can’t be the same JD you met years ago. Get used to it folks.
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I’m always sad to learn of a marriage ending, particularly one I have admired. This blog saw me through the tail end of my own marriage, my divorce, the rebuilding of my single and financial lives, a return to school, and a new rewarding relationship. I’ve admired the marriage between JD and Kris all along. That they worked and played so well together was inspiring. So I’m sad. And I know that nobody sees everything in a relationship, maybe not even the immediate participants. JD and Kris, I hope this will be a good thing for you, however it washes out. So, while it doesn’t change a thing, I just wanted to throw in my two little cents for support and understanding. And friendship. May whatever is before you be the best part of your lives.
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I’ve read your articles and guest posts from other writers and found this blog pretty useful at times over the years. I am pretty shocked that you would end up requesting a divorce from your wife of more than two decades, I feel as though it seems like such a rash decision! Slow down! No one loses weight, makes more money, and finds new objectives in life in a span of a few months! I wish you the best in the future on any path you decide to take.
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To those who keep talking about how “sudden” the decision was and how “rash” it might be, please consider: You have no idea how long this may have been in the works. For all you know, the two of them could have been in marriage counseling for a couple of years.
The only thing that’s sudden is the change to your mental picture of their union — a picture that is utterly subjective, since you don’t really know what their lives are like.
J.D. didn’t just get up one morning thinking, “Hmm, what to do today? I know: I’ll ask for a divorce!” It was not a decision made lightly. Those who feel personally betrayed are projecting their own issues onto the situation.
And those who just feel sad or disappointed? Please let those feelings go. Although J.D. writes about his personal life, parts of it are none of our business. It’s OK to wish him and Kris well; I do, and I’d do so even if I didn’t write for him. But to second-guess his decision or call him names for making it is pretty pointless. He won’t read the comments and say, “Oh my gosh, the readers have spoken! I guess I won’t get divorced after all!”
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Donna, I know I don’t really know JD, but my main thought as I read this post (and a few of his previous posts) was, “wow, I hope this guy is in therapy.” The changes in JD’s life over the last few years have been BIG…and the restlessness his recent posts have generally exhibited leads me to think there might an undercurrent of larger emotional issues that JD can’t quite see yet.
I’ll admit I’m young, and my relationship has been 7 years instead of 15 or 20, but I went through a similar period. We did couples and individual therapy. What saved the relationship was not the couples counseling, but the work I did on my own. I almost ended our relationship because I thought the restlessness/unhappiness in my life could be remedied by changing my circumstances. I really needed to fix my own mental state. When I did, I realized the problem had nothing to do with the relationship, and that the relationship was actually the best thing in my life.
I’m obviously filtering this through the lens of my own experience, but I sincerely hope that JD has tried individual therapy as he’s progressed toward this decision.
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J.D., I am glad to hear this. Becky’s perspective is valuable.
Count me in with those who suggest counseling and legal separation for a trial period before taking the serious and irrevocable step of divorce. Divorce may indeed be the right thing to do, but separation and counseling will show beyond doubt if that’s indeed the case.
Good luck to you & Kris.
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Glad to hear it, JD. Good luck to both you and Kris in the future. I’m moving to Portland for the next 4-6 months, so maybe I’ll see you around.
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Donna,
You are correct, it is the change in our perception of what seemed like a very good relationship failing that makes it feel like it is a bad thing. We do not know what their marriage is really like outside of the posts. This couple has managed to deal with money issues and other life challenges together. It is very sad to hear this type of news, even if it was very well thought out.
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J.D., I’m also deeply saddened by the news, as everyone else is here. I’ve been a longtime reader of your blog, going all the way back to 2007. I can remember when you made the decision to go out on your own with GRS and how inspiring that was, and you’ve definitely inspired me as well.
My thoughts go out to both you and Kris, as I know from personal experience how difficult and terribly dislocating divorce can be. It’s one of those events that changes everything in a life; though it will get better eventually, for now I’m sure you guys are going through something awful. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
I had a question about your blog, however, from something a commenter wrote earlier — did you actually sell GRS (I’m assuming sometime last year)?
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I can’t imagine you having a good reason for asking Kris for a divorce, especially since she didn’t cheat on you AND she was willing to put up with you constantly traveling without her. I’m so sick of people who give up on marriage without a legitimate reason like adultery or abuse. Kris did not marry you because she wanted another “friend” in her life. She married you because she wanted a life-partner that would be there for her through better or worse. Not “when things get boring” or when your “feelings change” about her. Whatever your reasons are for divorcing her, I’m sure they’re very self-seeking, which is not what love is about.
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It makes me so sad to read some of these comments JD. I hope you grow some thick skin! It also hurts to realize I was one of these people just a few years ago automatically saying things like “we’ll i don’t believe in divorce.” and “they should go to counseling” every time someone getting divorced would come up in conversation (not that i’m against counseling or anything). That’s the toughest part about going through a divorce I think. Unlike other major losses of a loved one- death, severe illness- where society responds by embracing the person and just saying “i’m sorry”- with divorce everyone has an opinion and is happy to share their judgement of your “failure” usually without having any clue about the inner workings of your marriage (do the people married even really understand the subtle dynamics between them?). To people married, you are often a threat. Especially if they are unhappily married. They are quick to distance themselves from you. To your single friends, its hard to understand the pain and overwhelming loss of a marriage. If you are religious, your normal community of support and love can suddenly shun you or at least make you feel like an outsider. and the one person who knows you best is suddenly not there to turn to.. it’s rough, rough, rough. As a friend said, it’s like taking a breath of fresh air and drowning all at the same time. I really do wish you the best during this difficult time. Hold those close to you that love you and find a way to stay centered. Take things slow. I liked a book on Buddhism and divorce called “Storms Can’t Hurt the Sky”
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I’ll be honest, I kind of feel like an idiot right now because of just how genuinely sad I feel after reading this post. I’ve never met JD, never spoken to him, nothing… Yet it feels like a good friend just gave me the news.
Im not even going to pretend to know anything about why this decision was made or whose “fault” it is. I could speculate but I doubt I will be anywhere close to the truth.
As someone who is looking forward to celebrating his 2nd wedding anniversary this spring, it scares me to think that one day a decade into the future I might go to my wife and ask her to end our marriage. Someone above commented about how this will help her to work on her own marriage, and I feel the same. I will be sure to never take my wife for granted, and always keep the communication lines wide open.
It makes me uneasy to offer support to someone who asks to end his marriage without any verifiable cases of infidelity or abuse, but even if JD is making a mistake, that would only mean he would join the ranks of the rest of humanity with his imperfections.
If both JD and Kris have remained cordial and even friendly during this time, that tells me everything I need to know. I doubt its a totally smooth transition(obviously), but the lack of(or maybe, lessening of) anger and bitterness during such a time shows alot about the character of Kris, and even a little bit about JD’s own character.
I wish I could offer some sort of deep, philosophic advice, but I cant. I can only hope that this ends up working out for everyone. Id be lying if I said that I think you are making the right decision, but I would also be lying if I said I wasnt hoping for the best for both of you.
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I’m going to be what some reading have called “judgemental”. However, what those readers don’t realize is that you’ve given us all the information necessary to not be judgemental.
1) Many moons ago you gave your fiance the promise that you would be with her forever–not until you’ll thought you were better off apart, not until you personally thought you both were better off apart, but forever. The marriage vow you gave was a *vow* (promise). You were speaking your committment and intentions.
2) 23 years later, you are choosing (no adultury, no abuse, from what you’ve said), to break your word.
The (unarguable) conclusion is that you lack integrity and are not a man of your word. Being a consistant reader of your blog, it hurts to know that about you. It may be helpful for you to understand that is where much of your readers’ anger is coming from in these responses.
I will not be reading your blog in the future, because I do not take advise from people that I do not respect.
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I believe JD is approximately 40, just a tad younger than me. If he and Kris have been together for 23 years, that means he was about 17 when they started, and maybe 23 when they married. I don’t care how strongly a 17 or 23-year-old wants to be commit to spending the rest of his life with someone; it is impossible for someone that young to truly understand what “life” is and what it means to share the rest of it with one person. If I were queen of the world (and I realize I am not), no one would be able to get married before they were 28 and had had some experience at having a life.
I know that would have helped me out; I was just one week past my 20th birthday (and two months past our son’s birth) when I married and thought that the strength of our love would last for all time. 10 years in, everything was much different, and after 15 years of growing apart, I did what JD did and requested a divorce. If I had forced 35 year-old me to stay in a very miserable marriage because 20-year-old me promised “until death do us part,” I am fairly certain the promised end may well have arrived sooner than necessary.
Obviously people get divorced who were married at various ages. My own experience tells me that committing so early in life, without really understanding what you are committing to, raises the odds of needing to break the commitment. How many other promises would one expect someone in their teenage years or very early twenties to make and keep for the rest of their lives?
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“My own experience tells me that committing so early in life, without really understanding what you are committing to, raises the odds of needing to break the commitment.”
Certainly – but I think the key phrase is “without really understanding what you are committing to”.
There’s no reason a 23-year-old can’t understand what his/her marriage vows mean, and consider carefully whether or not he chooses to make the vows.
If he chooses to make them, and really mean them, it will affect all the life decisions he makes from that point onward. It’s a bedrock. The problem is that many 23-year-olds don’t put that kind of consideration into the actual vows.
In the ancient churches, where marriage is still considered a lifelong commitment, a couple cannot be married before they complete marriage preparation – a months-long course of study about what exactly marriage is, coupled with education on how to build a strong marriage and how to cope with the inevitable bumps in the road (big and small). It’s sort of like proactive marriage counseling.
I think it would be a good idea for everyone, not just orthodox Christians, to do something similar. With the differing conceptions of what exactly marriage is today, marriage prep would be a great idea to get all that ironed out – and make people sit up and think hard about what they’re doing, and what they’ll do when they run into rough waters.
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I agree that the more pre-marital education one can get, the better. And I think one of the most important components of that education is to have some experience what life is really like as an independent single person. How can anyone possibly understand (not just “know” from understanding the meaning of words) what it means to share the rest of their life with someone, if they don’t really understand what it is like to first be independent?
Maybe JD had sufficient independent life experience before making this vow. Maybe he did not. In any event, I thought it was unduly harsh of the poster to whom I responded to come to the “unarguable conclusion” that JD lacks integrity without knowing more about the totality of the circumstances, not just now, but from the beginning as well.
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Susan, I think you’re right that that the poster should not have said that he’s positive JD lacks integrity. As many have pointed out, as readers we know very, very little about the whole situation.
I’m intrigued by your assertion that one can’t understand what it means to share the rest of their life with someone, if they don’t first understand “what life is really like as an independent single person”. Why should one understanding be dependent upon the other?
While many in our generation saw our parents’ marriages break up, many of us did not; we grew up with parents who did and still do share their lives successfully. Living in the same household for 18 years with those doing it is a great opportunity to learn about what things are really like, difficulties and all
Also – for centuries, in fact for most of human history, women in particular have often married young and without ever having been economically independent or even lived away from their family of origin.
NOT saying that’s any better than marrying later; just saying it doesn’t necessarily spell doom, either. The fact that it doesn’t always work well doesn’t mean that it can never work well; a lot depends on the particular people involved.
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In the traditional marriage where women married young without any experience (or expectation) of independence, the man had the legal and theological right to beat her if she didn’t obey, as well, and she could be killed for adultery. Plus people had the prospect, in a bad marriage, of young widowhood – life expectancy was short enough that few marriages lasted more than 20 years anyway.
Over the last few hundred years, we’ve changed our ideas about what marriage means and what a “good” marriage is.
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Really appreciate your honesty & transparency. You don’t owe us that. You’re a blogger. But I hope the both of you find the paths that are right for you. It won’t be easy, but life sometimes isn’t.
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First off, I want to congratulate you on your most successful post, atleast as far as comments are concerned despite the sad circumstances. Second, for those of us who have read your post for many years we have seen your development and how Kris was involved in that development, per the info you have shared. I’m not going to rehash the the accusations but the truth is over the years you have created this forum and this entity based on your life, much of which was based on your growth and the nourishment that Kris help provide over the years. It very well may be your right and also be reasonable to keep your divorce reasons private, but as readers your reasoning seems hollow based on past events and how you are currently living your life. There is no way to put any of this in perspective unless the reasons become clear but I’m not saying you should clarify them for us but in the meantime your readers are going to fill-in the gap however they choose or they may not even care. Truly if there isn’t any Earth shattering reason for the divorce, it could easily be stated thus resolving some of these issues unless the reason(s)truly do not support your request thus undermining your arguments. What further bothers me is that in your notes to comments you give ever reason why you shouldn’t divorce Kris. You mention causality (how its not the case) of events but just because one event isn’t caused by another doesn’t mean they are not significantly interconnected, especially when it is a series of events that are interconnected. You discuss making the honorable decision, divorce is rarely about honor unless you have some underlying medical issue and you are going to die in a year and perhaps you are trying to spare Kris from financial ruin. You say how she is good enough to be your best friend, but not your wife. While they could be mutually exclusive, they also can be a great foundation for a marriage. Your comments on selling the divorce and being a regular guy with real feelings is a little tame, you also have to realize that you are a public figure not unlike an candidate that has a growing negative perception problem. Because when your readers process the information from years past with the information you are providing us including Kris’ feedback and your notes from comments, it only leaves a couple of reasons why a divorce is being pursued. If one writes down all of those reasons, including any that can occur through individual growth and change, most of them don’t add up to divorce. I say that because all relationships go through this and usually by working together and with some compromise by all parties, the relationship can grow stronger through individual growth and change. Certainly your marriage isn’t a starter marriage and you have gone through this, I would say more than most and this is why something doesn’t smell right to the readers. What we have seen is that Kris has made many concessions (sometimes extraordinary) to you and your changing values over the years but we are not seeing the quid pro quo. Perhaps she has not changed nearly as much as you but that is not the total sum of what marriage is about. Its about supporting each other through growth, accomplishments, changes, adversity and all the other issues involved and still finding a common ground so you can communicate and move forward together. What I and perhaps others see, is a basic bailing out of a marriage for whatever personal reasons you have which comes across as selfish. We maybe wrong and there maybe valid reasons, but its not what comes across.
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Oh no, JD. I’m sorry for you both.
I wish you and Kris the best working though this and going forward.
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You sold the site? As a long time reader of 5 years, it’d be nice if you confirmed or denied that.
As someone who has followed the site for a while, opened accounts and bought stuff with your Amazon links, it’d be nice to know who now I am supporting now (if I am supporting someone else). Granted, you don’t have to disclose it, but I think its only fair to readers who stuck by you all those years.
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Actually, now i see your comment on that.
Good for you for selling the blog. Seriously – thats an awesome achievement (very well earned), and no doubt has provided you with financial stability and is a testament to all your hard work.
That said, as a reader, I don’t know what to make of it. I enjoyed the blog when it was one man’s struggle vs debt and his take on personal finance. Now, I guess its a corporate site, with an editor and some staff writers? IDK, I’m always big on disclosure, and as you stated, you can’t legally disclose much, but it does make me wonder – who’s voice will these articles be in? is there a hidden agenda to the posts? is the editorial content being dictated by an invisible corporate party?
it would have been nice if you negotiated to disclose this better with your loyal readers. just my two cents.
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Thanks for the confirmation – it will be interesting to read if you can post more at some point. I don’t know the ins and outs of blogland but I imagine there are a lot of headaches with servers and advertisers that a corporate owner might alleviate.
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I’m guessing by the missing post #’s here that many posts are not being published. If some of you are being mean then cut it out already. I said before I don’t think this is really about divorce, so let’s be supportive! It’s not like he suddenly stopped teaching financial tips! Let’s turn the page with him and enjoy the next chapter.
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Post numbers are missing because they don’t always go in order. If you reply to post number 3 with post number 7, then the post numbers will read like:
1, 2, 3, 7, 4, 5, 6, 8…
Look at comment number 1, the first responses to it are numbered 13 and 59, so you wont see those numbers after post 12 or 58.
Edit: J.D. beat me.
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