Fridays are typically “Ask the Readers” days at Get Rich Slowly, but today I’m doing something a little different. I’ve made a couple of big revelations lately, and those have generated a lot of questions. Today, I’ll answer a handful of these questions in order to give an outline of how I’m managing my money.
There’s a lot to be said about the discipline it took to be conscious spender (and saver) even after a windfall. How did you do this?
In a way, conscious spending became easier after the sale of Get Rich Slowly. But it also became more difficult. Let me explain.
When I sold GRS, Kris and I paid off our mortgage. This freed $1000 per month that I could use for whatever I wanted. (That $1000 was my half of the mortgage payment.) My spending on the Needs part of the Balanced Money Formula essentially dropped to zero, leaving me lots of room for Wants and Saving.
Plus, because I followed my own advice about spending a small portion of a windfall on things you really want, I didn’t feel deprived.
That said, it’s easy to become complacent when you have a large nest egg. It’s easy to start spending a little more here and a little more there because you know you have plenty of savings to bail yourself out. Though I never came close to spending more than I was earning, I did begin spending more than I ought to have. That’s why I started preaching the virtues of conscious spending; I needed to remind myself of the concept.
Lately, I’ve become more of a conscious spender. That’s because I don’t allow myself to touch the money from the windfall. Instead, my goal is to live on my current income, which is a little lower than it had been when I was working at the box factory.
I haven’t totaled the numbers for 2011, but leaving aside money related to the sale of the blog, I probably earned about…calculating…$48,000 from all sources, including speaking, magazine articles, book royalties, interest income, and writing for this blog. That’s roughly the median income for an American worker household (albeit I have an enormous nest egg).
Now that I’ve moved out of the house and am renting an apartment, my expenses have increased substantially. Remember that $1000 I freed by paying off the mortgage? Well, I’m now paying that again in rent and utilities. Meanwhile, I still have the other expenses I was carrying before, including gym fees, soccer tickets, and Spanish classes. Unless I find some way to boost my income — and I aim to do so — I’ll have to cut back hard on some things. Most likely travel.
If you had such a major windfall, why did you still feel compelled to give up comic books?
I felt like I was collecting comics out of compulsion. I don’t read everything I buy. I want to, but I don’t. So why buy more? Besides, I haven’t given them up completely; I’ve just reduced my comic spending radically. (As in $0 so far in 2012, though that’ll change soon.)
Also, as I’ve mentioned, I don’t want to touch the nest egg. If I’m going to buy comics, I have to do so within the constraints of my current income. Again, this is the notion of conscious spending that I write about all the time. I would much, much rather spend that comic money on Spanish lessons right now. I love learning Spanish much more than I enjoy reading comics. That may change in the future (and probably will), but for now, the Spanish is a priority, and that’s my focus.
What’s your asset allocation?
I covered this in detail last April when I wrote about rebalancing my investment portfolio. You can see my target asset allocation there. But my current asset allocation looks nothing like that. Because of market movement, and because Kris is receiving some of these funds as part of the divorce settlement, my asset allocation is a mess. It’s very heavily weighted toward broad market index funds (which is a good thing, I suppose) with very little in bonds. If the market were to crash today, I’d be hurting.
One of the challenges I now face is balancing things without incurring tax liability. If I sell stocks to buy bonds, for instance, I’ll owe long-term capital gains tax (15%) on any profits. This is why I have an investment advisor I meet with regularly. He can hold my hand as I try to navigate this. And it’s definitely something I’ll be looking at once tax season is over.
You’ve often talked how you’d like to move into your “dream” apartment and start over, so I’m wondering if you’re now following that wish at your new place? How are you doing with your war on Stuff?
I was wondering how long it’d be until somebody asked this. This is one of those chances for me to practice what I preach. How am I doing? I’d give myself a B-.
In some ways, I’ve done an amazing job of shedding layers and layers of unnecessary Stuff. It’s all sitting in the workshop at the house, waiting to be sold. (Yay! Extra income I can use to save for travel!) That said, I still moved a lot of things.
My closet is full of clothes. Not as many clothes as I used to own (all of these actually get worn), but still too many. I feel like I could benefit by intentionally pruning one quarter of my wardrobe. It’d hurt, but wouldn’t make me feel deprived.
I also own a hell of a lot of computers and gadgets. No man needs this much electronic eqipment! Plus, I keep tonds of paper. I need to get over that obsession.
My biggest battle, though, is against the books. (Surprised?) In the house, I had many many bookshelves devoted to books and comics. Here in the apartment, I have less space, so I have fewer books. But I still have a lot. Plus, there are still more to bring over. Every time I go see Kris (as I will tonight), I bring back at least one box of books (and sometimes several). Again, it might profit me to intentionally purge one quarter of my books.
After your trip to Africa, you talked about how you felt like it was your responsibility to do something to help, to contribute. Afterwards, you and Kris got a ton of school supplies but then decided not to mail them because it was too expensive. Have you changed your mind on that? Are you at least donating some of your money to some groups or charities that could benefit now that you’ve sold your site?
Over the years, the one financial choice that I’ve made that’s brought the most heat from readers is my decision not to contribute to charity. I’ve just never found a cause I want to support. That’s no longer true. Recently, I have discovered a couple of causes I’m passionate about supporting. But I’m going to start by contributing my time, not my money.
Since the start of the year, I’ve been contributing five hours a week to volunteer work. (This morning, for instance, I’ll spend two hours in a second-grade classroom helping kids learn to read and write Spanish.) Plus, I’ve been meeting with representatives from non-profits and charities. Part of this is related to actual work, but part of it is because I’m trying to find causes I believe in.
The causes I’m drawn to are all related to education (both adult and childhood), financial literacy, and immigration. And it looks like I may have found a way to combine all three! At the end of March, I plan to teach a personal finance class (in Spanish) to a group of 35 latina women. If that’s successful, I’ll try to build upon it.
So, I haven’t made any charitable donations…yet. But I’ve begun to contribute my time.
When you started GRS, did you imagine that it might end up making you a lot of money, and ultimately making you financially independent? Do you just think you got lucky, or could someone set up a blog today and emulate your success?
When I started Get Rich Slowly, I had no idea what it would become, financially or otherwise. I’ve always said that my goals were (in this order): to help me get out of debt, to help others get out of debt, and to make a little money in the process. That I’ve been able to exceed all of these goals amazes me.
Did I get lucky? Yes, of course. But luck isn’t the only element involved. I worked very hard to produce quality content. And I stuck with it day after day for years. Some folks don’t appreciate just how difficult this is. At the peak, I was working 80 hours a week on the blog. But as I’ve said in the past, hard work isn’t enough. In order to do what I’ve done, you also need some luck. In my case, I was lucky enough to catch the attention of some influential readers early on. They shared the blog with their friends, and it spread from there.
Could someone achieve the same success with a new blog today? Of course! And there are those who do. But I’m not sure what the right recipe for replicating this success is. There’s so much involved with it, and some of it seems difficult to define. I’ve started many other blogs, but none has caught on like GRS.
The Bottom Line
I make an average income. Because of some big life changes, at the moment I spend less than I earn — but not by much. Until I can find ways to make more money, my travel budget is going to suffer.
That said, I have a great job that gives me lots of flexibility to spend my time and money on the things I love. I also have a fat emergency fund. And, of course, I have a huge retirement nest egg. My aims for the coming months are both to increase my income and to continue exploring charity and volunteer work. In the meantime, I’ll share my progress with the readers of Get Rich Slowly.
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In relation to your investment portfolio, I’m assuming it is too far out to simply buy (bonds?) over the next few months to bring it back into line?
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Another question for you: About how many hours a week do you spend working now? What would you say is your hourly rate?
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Thank you for the update! I’m glad you found some causes you could support.
I wanted to thank you for your articles on how to spend a windfall. I read them all after I won more money on Jeopardy! than I ever dreamed I would. Luckily I had a few months before the shows aired and the check came to really think hard about what we wanted to do with the money.
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That is awesome! Congratulations!
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How neat! Congrats!
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we want a reader story!!!
congrats on your win!
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i wonder, jd, and of course it’s not my business … but i wonder if your nest egg is big enough to throw off income for you? i.e., could you be financially independent, like mr. money mustache?
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I thought of this too. Assuming that GRS was making around $100k/year when it was bought, the very little I know about internet business valuation would say that the purchase of GRS was at least $1M, maybe a little bit more.
I would think that you would need to have at least $2-3M to feel secure about your investments and generate enough income to live on.
Considering that Kris is getting some of the money and some already went to paying off the house, I doubt there’s enough there to be comfortable just living off interest. Though I could be completely wrong.
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Curious as well, since my husband and I recently received a large inheritance and we’re trying to figure out if we can use it to live off for a few years while we go back to school and start a family (we both want to spend some time being stay at home parents). Of course, we could withdraw it directly and just spend it, but we want to keep it invested somehow that sends us money every so often. I’ve looked into the idea of income investing (dividends, etc.) but I don’t think we have enough for that, and besides, if we withdraw from an (inherited) IRA, we’re fully taxed on it. We’re thinking of buying income property and becoming landlords instead, but we’d probably need to pay all cash if we’re not going to be working. (My husband is a realtor and has wanted to buy a rental for a long time now.) I don’t know, I’m so confused.
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I wondered about the untouched nest egg too. Do you have eventual plans to do something with it, live on it (or the income from it), or just die with it?
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This is a good question. I don’t have a plan for it other than to use it in retirement. I see there’s another question farther down about my long-term plans. I’ll follow-up there…
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Amy-Leverage your money. You can actually write up a legal document and borrow from you inheritance.
Keep the money only in the name of the one who inherited.
My sibs and I inherited a lot when we were on our 20/30′s. The one who lived off it is the one kicking himself now.
Take it slow.
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You’re projecting 10x annual earnings? Usually, websites are sold based on 12x monthly earnings (which would be 1x annual earnings). There might be more if there is an especially good list or unmonetized traffic and if the site can run without the principal. Take a look at a site like Flippa.com, if you want to get an idea of valuations. That being said, the true value is whatever someone will pay you. It’s possible that JD sold his site for a lot more than that, as there were some high profile sales in 2009 that fetched into the millions.
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Amy–It sounds like your situation would be a good ‘ask the readers’ post.
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The success for today’s blogs is more difficult to achieve. There are certain limited population who are blog followers. Not every one follows blog. Most of the population prefer news reading rather.
Where it actually gets tougher for the new blog to succeed is, the established blog reader base is already addicted to reading an established blog. Unless you are a super writer or the established blog degrades, there’s not much room to attract new readers.
I know most of the new blogs sustain only on search engine traffic. Not a regular reader base.
This is my opinion though, your view may be different.
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Thanks for sharing. I’ve shied away from the reading the comments on the “big announcement” posts, knowing it was going to be a melee. I did however, have the apartment/clothes collection. I’m surprised to see you didnt do that in a more thoughtful way.
In any case, I feel like we are getting a lot of behind the scenes info lately. Nice to fill in the gaps with backstory.
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It’s great to donate time, and I think some people subsitute money for actual effort to clear their conscience. Furthermore it’s problematic when people in debt donate money that, really, isn’t theirs to spend.
Nevertheless, those with the means to give, should. Do it intelligently by all means, but make no mistake – if you aren’t being charitable with a small portion of your hard-earned money, you aren’t pulling your weight for humankind.
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It always amazes me that in spite of JD clearly outlining his approach to charity (right or wrong) for the last couple of years, some people will still try to convert him to their way of thinking.
Shouldn’t they be out volunteering or something?
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You’re simultaneously putting down those who donate money, and then suggesting that those who don’t donate money aren’t doing their fair share.
Also, donating money takes the effort that was required to get that money, and go without it in your own life.
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J.D., your money is important to you. Donating a share of it, however small, says that those causes are important, too.
I’m not putting down volunteering; it’s also important. The point is, though, that one way to acknowledge the importance of a cause is to give both — money AND volunteering. In a way, then, you’re giving everything!
I get very, very tired of hearing about celebrities who donate a million dollars to something — then you find out they got 20 or 30 million for their last film role, or they made 14 million for just a year’s income. Sure, a million’s nice…but it’s not an appreciable chunk of their income. If they gave a good-sized chunk PLUS their time, that would be something.
Just think how the world could be enriched if we all gave back even as little as 10 percent!
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I think volunteering time is great, but it seems like when people say they are volunteering time instead of money is a cop out. There millions of people in need in the world and probably hundreds in your own city. Time doesn’t buy medicine, clothing or food. I would say that giving away even a small amount of money each month is a good way of making sure we are not in bondage to money – no matter what our income level.
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I’m glad you acknowledge some luck in there. Lots and lots of people work 80 hours every week (my husband and myself included) and don’t get rich.
I still can’t believe you justify not donating to charity though. And helping 2nd graders learn Spanish sounds like it’s more helping you – you aren’t even fluent in Spanish! Plus, it’s not like learning Spanish is going to dramatically change their lives. You’d be better off teaching English to refugees or immigrants (I’ve done it and it’s wonderful!)
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Sarah, I’m just getting started. My Spanish skills aren’t good enough to use in a more effective way right now. Be patient. Besides I disagree with you, actually. I believe that teaching kids to read and write is the number-one most effective thing I can do to make the world a better place. (Most of these kids are native Spanish speakers.)
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I agree. I love this blog and usually enjoy reading the comments, but whenever giving to charity comes up, the comments are overrun with self-righteous, judgmental, “holier-than-thou” attitudes.
Only you know how to appropriately give back in your life, not your family, not your Church, and especially not random strangers. I think teaching children is a lovely way to give back (I also focus more on time than money, due both to finances and personal preference). I have a lot of teachers in my family who would really value a community member taking the time to get involved and show kids (usually ones at a huge disadvantage) that people care.
I also don’t think you can judge people (even successful ones) that don’t necessarily give. You never know someone else’s situation or how they live their life.
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I personally think that JD’s response to his success is PERFECT! My hubby and I have been making crazy progress with our money and feel the same way. Yes, some of it is luck but a lot of the decisions that we make are really, really hard. Decisions that most folks choose not to make with their money. That said, we have been lucky as well. I am forever grateful for the sacrifices that my parents made to give me a excellent education for K-12, for example.
Sarah, if you keep working really hard and make good choices, then you too will see great success. If not today, then tomorrow.
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Actually, teaching children Spanish or many other common languages could dramatically change their lives. It’s vastly more difficult to learn a language as an adult and learning language young may give them better opportunities in a global-sense in the future. As for JD not being fluent, second graders are writing dissertations in Spanish so fluency isn’t really required. I would be it’s a lot of basic of vocabulary and simple sentence constructions.
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The kids seem to get a kick out of the fact that they know more Spanish than I do. And while they may have better language skills in this regard, I’m still an adult, and I still know more about the Big Picture. In other words, I can still help them, even if I can’t always spell the words they’re using.
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A positive male role model is worth a million dollars! You know the old saying, you can give a man a fish to feed him for a day or you can teach him to fish so he can feed himself for a lifetime. Donating money and things is great for short term and emergency needs. I think that it’s great that you are sharing your knowledge and providing the kids and ladies with a positive male role model, it will mean more to them than a few dollars.
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I’m not sure how the “windfall” was taxed, but believe me – when you’re paying close to 6 figures in taxes – which go to support social programs – you’re probably contributing a lot more to humanity than other people who purport to be working 80 hours and making far less income. Just sayin’.
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Just a note: I believe $48k is near the median American household income, not individual. You’re definitely not “average” in this regard, nest egg or not.
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You’re right. You’re right. You’re absolutely right.
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I never get tired of hearing that.
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I think the other thing about giving money is that it’s okay to give money from your head rather than your heart. We think we should be passionate about the cause we give to, and that’s great, if we are. At the same time, however, we can logically know there are enormous needs, know there are people who are working to fill those needs and who have to have money to do it, and then give some of our money for it. It’s okay if there’s not an emotional connection there; it doesn’t mean the money is less needed or will be less well spent.
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I agree that giving time is more important than giving money. My fiance and I have decided never to give to charities that support people. We are vegetarians and helping animals is more in line with our goals. He donates to several animal charities for now, but what we really want is to buy a house and start fostering cats for a no-kill rescue.
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i think just the giving is important. sometimes i’ve had extra money i put in the sad plastic puppy, sometimes i’m short on cash but long on time and try and make something helpful for an animal shelter.
i agree with you though. in general i am a terrible person and don’t like people, so i decided just to support animal charities instead. i can dig it.
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I don’t think one is more important than the other – charities need capable volunteers, but they also need money to keep the lights on and paper in the computer printers and such (or in your charity’s case, kibble in the food bowls).
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I prefer to support animal charities too. In fact a big part of my motivation for doing well financially is so I can give much more in that direction.
Unfortunately I have little time OR money right now, but when I’m decluttering I always give my excess books & other ‘stuff’ to an animal charity shop to sell.
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I work for a charity in Scotland and just have a few points to make:
1. I think it’s excellent that you’re giving your time – nothing will help you feel more engaged with a cause…
2. BUT most charities need funds far more desperately than they need volunteers. Not ALL work can be carried out by volunteers (my charity employs specialist medical staff on a full time and long term basis.). It’s also easy to find people who’ll give a couple of hours a week. Many companies will give staff a day or so a year paid holiday to volunteer. Certainly for us, and many other charities, the way to really help as opposed to just making yourself feel better is to give some much-needed cash.
Even giving $10 a month would help – you don’t have to commit to 10% of your income or anything. If you’re earning a comfortable salary, there really isn’t an excuse not to give anything at all!
Anyway! Scolding over. Good luck for the future and increasing the income!
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I have a feeling that once someone finds something they’re passionate about and spends their time volunteering there, they will see the need for funds and be compelled to donate if they have the means. I can’t imagine JD becoming really involved in something and then hiding in the back of the room if a monetary need comes up that he is able to help with in some way. I find it hard to donate to a faceless organization however I have a hard time not giving when I see a real need firsthand.
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Or perhaps giving money isn’t in line with his principles. People like that, we exist.
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Sadly, you do.
Some of prefer meaning needs to waiting for the government to do it.
One word for you: KARMA
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Karma, shawarma, prosciutto di Parma… should I type those in all-caps for effect? SHAWARMA! It’s tasty.
Look: in case of trouble I’d much rather rely on a government program than on handouts from well-meaning people with missionary agendas. The last thing I want is for someone to say a prayer over my canned goods. Kindly pass the SNAP card and keep your beliefs to yourself. I’ll also take socialized medicine over religious health care that will refuse my family contraception.
Here’s an article about the real motivations behind a lot of charity:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_undercover_economist/2006/10/charity_is_selfish.html
Now, don’t get me wrong here, I’m not against helping others; my own mother volunteers in a cancer hospital in a 3rd world country, but a) she doesn’t get a tax deduction from it and b) it’s 3rd world country with not enough money to go around for everybody’s needs. And c) no, she doesn’t get in other people’s faces about volunteering or helping or whatever– she just does it quietly and cheerfully in her own time.
Preachy people: please be charitable to our ears and curb your sanctimony. If you love to give, please do so quietly and not for the public exposure or the pharisaic ego trip, and don’t use your charity as an excuse to demand that needed government programs be cut. Having a bake sale to purchase classroom supplies doesn’t magically make things right with your school district, but a tax hike targeted to support education just might.
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I’m aware this is a cranky reply to a comment I find irritating (even after I took deep breaths and edited out the harshest parts), but it would be nice to have a rational conversation about the pros and cons of charity vs. taxation or other mechanisms to address social problems.
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WOW. Good job, congrats on ‘making it’ from the perspective of a large nest egg , paying off the mortgage, creating a business from scratch and being able to sell it for major profit. You’ve done all the good things I’m over here just still dreaming about.
I guess it’s a good reality check that you are still having to budget and live within your means. I’d not thought about the other side of the coin – how do you then live after you’ve met most/all of your financial goals?
I can barely relate to you and your situation, but it’s good to hear your honest thoughts on your life. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
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Have you ever purchased your comics via digital download rather than paper copy? My husband reads his comics on his Ipad now and we are both happy with this format. Less clutter and they look good. Unfortunately downloading comics can be a big budget buster if you aren’t careful because it is almost effortless.
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JD,
You said that 1000 was half of your mortgage. Are you saying that you and your wife managed your money separately from each other even when you were married? Thoughts about that?
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Not JD (obviously), but he has said that before, yes.
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When I read about how they keep their finances separate (including the fact that he pays her to do his laundry), I thought it was pretty neat.
Then in my own, joint finance life, my husband and I suddenly had very different financial goals, I started talking about separating our finances, each contributing what we needed to run the household, but then pursuing our goals separately. My husband thought doing that would push us apart and would set us up for failure. It was soon a moot point when my husband was laid off.
Makes me wonder a little about keeping separate finances in general, and what that can do to a relationship.
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I’ve got to say I’m quite annoyed lately about all those people that equate “separate finances” with “are going to split any minute” :/
We’ve got both separate accounts (not the least because I’m self-employed, husband is not) and one joined one, and it works perfectly well for 13 years now.
Yes, maybe we do consider the money of the other as not our own, just as some of the furniture is mine, some is his, etc. I fail to see the inherent wrongness in this. Just because you marry doesn’t mean everything belongs to both.
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I agree with you. I’m assuming that some of the people that read this blog also follow Dave Ramsey, and that’s how Ramsey feels about separate finances.
I personally find the yours/mine/ours formula is just about perfect. The ours pile is usually a lot bigger than the others, but it allows for an appropriate amount of personal and financial freedom in the relationship.
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I think people just take it personally, like “what a way of running a marriage other than my own can work?!” and don’t realize how lazy and even offensive or hurtful their comments can be. Like you, myself and my husband have also had separate finances for going on 15 years now albeit with joint savings accounts (he’s a big boy and I have no need to know what he’s spending his salary on) and the relationship somehow survives!
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Yes, Kris and I always kept separate finances. There are many posts on this site outlining the whys and wherefores of this approach.
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You are too hard on yourself. You earned your $$ and you have a nice nest egg. Your current spending problems will be resolved in the near future. It’s not like you ran out and bought a red corvette as part of a mid-life crisis!
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I’d rather have a dark green vintage MG as the cure for my mid-life crisis.
Of course, if I did get a little red Corvette I could drive it through the purple rain while wearing a raspberry beret–
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I agree!
It took me some time after my divorce to sort out my finances. Now it is eight years later and since I remarried over five years ago; our finacial portfolio is better than what I had with my ex. My ex and I founded and operated four businesses and had income properties after thirty years together. I left him with the businesses, the family home and took the income properties and started over.
My current husband and I have more net assets than either of us had previously; we have started two businesses and own several income properties.
If one is teachable, one keeps growing; both financially and personally.
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Actually, JD, now that I think about it, what may be best for you in terms of charity work is to get on the board of a charity whose cause you really care about, and use your money-management skills to make sure the dollars being given are going as far as they possibly can. It’s still volunteering your time, just in a different way (and you might have to do a sizable donation to get on the board so I’d only do this once you were sure you’d found a charity that appealed to you).
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I think that’s a great suggestion! Then it aligns with your interests and puts your skills to work.
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I agree, I think JD would be a phenomenal asset to the board of directors of the charity of his choice.
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The thought has already occurred to me.
As most of you know, I love meeting with GRS readers. I do it all the time. One of the best parts of this is that it leads to unexpected connections. For instance, I recently met Anthony and Shauna, who both are strongly involved in Portland’s non-profit community. We had a great conversation about volunteering, etc. We plan to meet again in March. And when we do, I’ll pick their brains about boards, etc.
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on Comic Books:
Now that you are living the tiny apartment life, you probably have a comic book store or at least a barnes and nobles within walking distance. You could always go to the store, read the comics, and not buy them.
I’ll do this at my barnes, and usually buy an expensive coffee-related beverage. So long as it fits within my budget, at least.
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Isn’t that what libraries are for?
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I was wondering the same thing, about libraries. I’m not a librarian, but used to work with librarians and always have been impressed with how eager librarians are to serve their communities. Most have amazing collections (including downloadable e-books) and can get you materials via interlibrary loan. I still consider myself a bibliophile, but don’t need to have that physical presence on my shelf for years. I mean, ugh…do I really want to read a book after it’s got an inch of dust on it and it has brittle pages?
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That is what libraries are for, in fact! I am a librarian and currently building a graphic novel/comic collection for kids. Something to think about as you’re helping out in the classroom is that comics and graphic novels are a great literacy tool. Just another way to combine your passion with the volunteering.
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How’s that going to work when “Barnes” shuts off the lights and padlocks the door due to lack of sales? Folks lament the loss of bookstores everywhere and wonder why.
Or how about this one: you see an interesting looking book at “Barnes” and then you order it online. When the resources to pay for the people who search out relevant and interesting titles dries up, and there’s no one there to create eye-catching displays or answer your questions or recommend similar titles you might enjoy, how will it feel?
The money you spend on coffee goes to pay for running the coffee operation and paying those employees. It’s not enough to keep your chosen bookstore in the black so they can keep their doors open and pay their bills.
Something to think about.
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Oh, what a brilliant idea! Go into a bookstore, read through the merchandise, probably spill coffee on it, and leave without buying anything.
Parasite.
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JD- I have been a reader for years and the last few weeks have thrown me for a loop. I was happy to read the new post and offer some insights as well. I have also received a “windfall” albeit smaller than yours through the sale of an asset (percentage of a company). We set aside the money and didn’t spend any of it for a year. Both wife and I continue to work and struggle with the control of spending when there is a large nest egg set aside. It does get easier but only through careful planning and will. I wish you best on your future endeavors and hope everything works out for the best for both you and Kris.
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Wow! That must have been hard. Developing that kind of discipline will help you for the rest of your life. Congratulations!
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I would love to hear about people who get windfalls! I love this topic, even though I doubt I’ll ever get a windfall of my own.
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J.D.,
As a veteran reader since the birth of the site, I sincerely want to thank you for being so forthcoming – not only as of late, but over the past several years. It requires tremendous valor to ‘bare one’s soul’ online, and you have done so with such courage and graciousness. I sincerely commend you.
P.S. In regards to the sale of the site, as a most-astute individual, I personally feel the transition was quite seamless in nature as the quality of blossoming excellence has maintained the site’s unrivaled integrity. Congratulations, and, oh yeah…you sure fooled me… :p
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It seems weird to me that you have this huge nest egg in savings yet you have no dependents (no kids, and now no wife). What are you waiting for? You seem to really want to travel. Why don’t you do that while you still can?
By no way am I advocating to go all out, but money gives you freedom and right now you’re denying yourself that freedom.
I always dreamed that if I had a ton of money I would do funny giving. Like leave a $1,000 tip for a hard-working, honest waitress/waiter. For some reason I think that would be a lot of fun to see their reaction.
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I think this brings an interesting perspective on what one considers a “ton” of money. I think that’s a possible “psychology of PF” blog post.
I think I would need at least $3-5M to feel like I could leave a $1000 tip, but I bet my favorite sushi restaurant would appreciate it!
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It is tough to continue to live within your means when your means increase significantly in a short time frame – particularly for us “recovering spendthrifts!”
J.D, I admire your initiative to not touch the nest egg, but rather live off your income. Do you count any income the nest egg itself generates (interest income, dividends, etc) towards your income, or are you only counting “actively earned” income in that equation?
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So far, the nest egg is reinvesting any income it generates. At some point, though, I can see drawing some income from it to supplement the money I earn from writing, etc. I hope that doesn’t happen soon, though.
Other commenters are right that I could touch this money and use it to enjoy life. But my point is that I don’t need to do so yet, so I’d rather not. I’m able to get fit, learn Spanish, and more all on the income I’m generating through my work. If my travel dries up completely, then maybe I’ll tap the savings for a trip each year. But I hope it doesn’t come to that.
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Can you tell us more about the personal finance class you plan to teach? Is it through a community centre or something? Just curious, since it sounds great
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Thank you for answering the “burning” (for some, anyway” question. It’s difficult for me to wrap my mind around people being so judgmental that they feel they know which way is the right way to either spend money, live as a family, or what to donate. Personally, i agree that donating just for the sake of doing it is odd and not fulfilling, and if no cause had touched you yet, then no pressure shall be put. I, personally, also think that when donating money, so much goes into maintaining the organization, it is always a wonder what part of my dollar went into what I believe in. Same goes to church 9and I admit, I am not religious), but a big part of it goes to something not directly helping poor, unjust and needy. On another hand, that phrase “teach a man to fish instead of giving him a fish” has got to have a huge weight of wisdom. I think that helping kids to learn Spanish and women to learn finances (and in a process help yourself by being fulfilled) is an awesome idea.
As for why no comic books – people change. Priorities change. It’s not a core value. May be travel for now is, and that may change too.
Great idea of living on incoming money only and not the windfall. More power to you.
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I too do not contribute to charity. The primary reason is because I believe in the same theory that applies to emergency situations; if you can’t help yourself, you can’t help anyone else.
I think it’s a big mistake for people to give to charity just for the sake of giving, or to reap a tax deduction. There are also so many charities in existence that have overlapping causes that it can be quite confusing. It’s just as difficult to tell if the money you give is going to good use.
I think it’s great that J.D. is giving time instead of money. If you place a dollar amount or wage equivalent on the time that you donate to a good cause, the value of the time you spend can be greater than any monetary donation you could ever gift.
As for myself, I won’t be giving money to charities until I have paid off our family debts and am stable enough to donate to a worthy and reliable cause. Until then, I donate time with my therapy trained dog at various venues.
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that totally counts as charity! hospital-visit-doggies are the BEST!
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Your success is well deserved J.D.! I admire your fiscal restraint – you are practicing what you preach, and saving your nest egg for a rainy day. And I think your charitable contributions are wonderful – contributing your time instead of your money is quite valid – and probably more fulfilling!
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The more attached we are to our money, the more it hurts to give it away, and the easier it is for us to find excuses not to do it. I think it’s important to give cash precisely because it helps us to keep our money in proper perspective.
Unsure whether the charity will use your donations wisely? It only takes a few minutes’ research to find this out. There are websites that do the due diligence for you. Convinced that giving time is just as helpful? Well, volunteering is helpful, there’s no doubt about that, but I think that if you talk to the directors of most charities, they’ll tell you that it still takes money to keep things running.
I read recently about a minister who was generous in giving to those in need. If the recipient protested, he would quote the Bible to them. “It is more blessed to give than to receive,” he would say. “Don’t deny me my blessing.”
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Just curious, have you thought about using some of the nest egg to start a new business? Or maybe to fund the business venture of someone else?
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Just a quick question – not sure if this post was meant to answer questions (which it did, thank you so much!) or elicit reader questions, but now that you have such a large next egg, are you still saving some of your income? Do you have a separate EF? Do you contribute to an IRA? Or do you figure that you’ll tap your nest egg for emergencies/retirement?
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You say that once your mortgage was paid off “My spending on the Needs part of the Balanced Money Formula essentially dropped to zero.” That doesn’t make sense to me.
My mortgage is paid off, and my needs spending well above zero. I still have property taxes ($338/mo), insurance ($74 homeowners + $26 flood), and utilities ($255) not to mention food ($100). I also save some each month for maintenance ($153) and for health costs ($100). $1046 is not what I call essentially zero, and it’s not even including cell phone, internet, or transportation costs which are just wants for me. And the $623 I actually pay because I get to split the housing and utilities costs with someone still is well above zero.
So, $1000 less per month is AWESOME, but I can’t see how it brings your needs spending to essentially nothing.
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I’d like to know how you only spend $100/month on food!
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I think he meant “$100 a day”
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/09/24/a-minor-mistake-shopping-while-hungry/
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You’re right, Debbie. I was exercising hyperbole there. It’s a weakness of mine.
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I completely believe than any bonus, inheritance and large sums of money that you have earned that are not part of your general personally earned income should be invested and over time be able to generate some supplemental income.
As far as charities go, you do what feels right to you. If volunteering your time and talent is what feels right, than that is right. Giving is something that should be done from the heart and not because you feel guilty or feel pressured by anyone to do.
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I don’t know how big your nest egg really is right now but when you rebalance your portfolio next time, you should do it in a way that you can (partly) live off your wealth without reducing its substance. That would be my ultimate financial goal: enjoying the freedom to work instead of the need to work to make a living. You’re not there currently. For that, you need to find a way to transform wealth into income streams instead of consuming it.
I’d consider to move a chunk of your money into dividend stocks. There are quite a number American and European qualitiy stocks with high dividend yields around. Buy them preferably after the next big stock market drop and you’ll enjoy tremendous returns on your initial investments as dividends of quality stocks rise over time.
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There are two and only two essential reasons to donate to charity:
1) because you can
2) because the need is there
If you’re looking to find the “perfect” charity before you are prepared to give, you will always find reasons to abstain from giving. Focus instead on the difference even a small donation can make in the life of someone far less fortunate than you.
Sounds judgemental, I guess. I made a paradigm shift in this area many years ago, and have never regretted it.
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I agree. If the need is there and you can afford to donate, it is a great thing to do.
May I suggest you check out http://www.modestneeds.org.
This organization helps people avoid falling into poverty and homelessness by providing financial assistance to people who are one bill away from losing a home, car or are unable to pay a medical or dental bill,etc. The organization asks applicants for documentation, verifies it and posts the request. Then people like you and me donate a few dollars towards whichever application you want to help fund. When it’s funded, the $ is not sent to the applicant, instead it it sent to the mortgage lender, utility company, doctor’s office, etc.
It’s a great way to help people who are struggling and don’t have that all important
“emergency fund”.
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I’m curious to know if the nest egg you received from selling the blog had any impact upon your decision to separate from your wife?
As a NY based matrimonial attorney I believe there a correlation between a person’s sense of financial security and their ability to take that difficult step of initiating a divorce. I have certainly seen a drop off in the number of divorces that occur for reasons other than cheating, domestic violent,etc., during the current economic turmoil. I’m not saying that money, or the lack thereof, causes divorces or makes people stay together. On a very basic level, however, it allows someone to retain an attorney or to rent an apartment, for instance.
I would be interested in your (well-reasoned and thoroughly readable) opinion.
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To be honest, the windfall delayed things, I think, and for a couple of reasons. But once I made the decision, it was comforting to realize we’d both be okay because we had a financial cushion.
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There’s a brilliant gem in this post:
“I don’t read everything I buy.”
That could translate to:
“I don’t wear every thing I buy.”
“I don’t eat everything I buy.”
“I don’t use everything I buy.”
“I don’t need everything I buy.”
Wow…I think I have a new mantra!
Thanks, JD
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Good work on your volunteering, it sounds totally in line with your interests and skills. I am passionate about ocean conservation and do volunteer diving research for an organization I love. I can’t afford to donate as much as cash as in prior years, but giving my time feels just as good. Thanks for all of your inspiring words of wisdom!
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Thanks for this update. I have to say, you seem apologetic about “only” giving time, rather than money, to charitable causes. Don’t apologize! As someone who’s worked in nonprofits all my adult life, I will tell you that skilled volunteers are a Godsend. I’m looking forward to hearing more about how you put your Spanish/PF/education skills to good use in the community.
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It sounds like you should move some of that money into the individual 401(k) gradually. You can contribute a lot more than 17k and save a lot of tax by doing that correct?
I read all my comic books.
If you don’t read the comic, then you definitely shouldn’t buy them.
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JD, consider using a portion of your windfall to pay off another home, like a condo. This will greatly simplify your life.
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My question is simple. _Why_ are you saving your windfall? Are you saving for life long stability? Are you saving for a house? Are you saving for a 21 year old college cheerleader?
Understandably, you aren’t sharing much about your life right now, but without knowing your goals for the money you have banked, asset allocation, and what you choose to spend on are, at best, hollow answers.
Haven’t you noticed that the part of the story you aren’t sharing anymore is where you want to go?
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I am saving my windfall because it’s my retirement nest egg — whenever that retirement might happen. Maybe it happens when I’m 60. Or 70. Maybe it’s next year. Whatever the case, that money is there for when I can no longer produce income. Until then, I want to live on the money I earn.
Yes, I’m well aware that the part of the story I’m not sharing is where I want to go. That’s because I don’t know where I want to go — and I’m okay with that. I’m just enjoying the ride. This has actually frustrated Kris immensely lately, my lack of direction. I used to be very goal driven, but now I’m not. Instead, I’m more reactionary, I guess. But you know what? I’m enjoying a lot more by not having an agenda, by not having a grand plan. If I had a plan, I would never have taken Spanish, I would never have gone to Peru, and so on. Did I mention that I think I’m going to take classes on circus acrobatics? Not joking. This isn’t part of a plan. It just sounds fun. So long as I can do things I enjoy with people I enjoy, I’m happy. That’s my plan.
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Having taken circus classes – and not learning to juggle despite my best attempts I can only say go for it! I loved them.
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Hi, J.D.! On regarding not knowing where you’re heading to and finding it fun… You made me smile
Just because I had that feeling my whole life and didn’t feel like fun, but more as breaks (as in a car meaning), strangely incapacitating me from doing “relevant things”. But, from my (few) good times of feeling “there is no route marked! I can go where I want to go!” I understand what you mean!
Best wishes for you from across the Atlantic! I’m a long time reader, although I rarely post a comment. Wanted to say “thanks for sharing!”. Real life examples are the most inspiring ones and often make us rethink our own lifes (many times beyond financial frame).
P.S. Being Portuguese, I also smile reading about 15% tax rates. But Lisbon is a nice city, have you ever visited?
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I second the thumbs-up on circus school. When I was given a trip to Club Med as a present, I picked one in the Turks and Caicos islands, where I could try the flying trapeze. It was great fun!
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JD have you considered moving to a location that is 2-10x cheaper to live in than the US and use your nest egg to live there indefinitely? You could treat the nest egg like an endowment fund and take 4% a year off the top indefinitely to live on. If you have considered this I would love to read an article about your thoughts.
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You wrote in the past about dealing with the aftermath of someone’s death, and preparations one should take in advance to lighten the burden on those left behind.
Recently, my brother passed. The life lessons he continues to pass forward deal with these situations. As his Executor, it is now my duty to clean up, clear out that which he has left behind — and it is a lot. For me, and for those friends that have volunteered to assist, the lesson is that we should and can look right now at what we’d be leaving behind if we died today – right now. As you view your new abode, and that which you bring into it, try looking through these eyes first and it may help to reduce the urge to pile it all on.
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Really clever idea, Barb.
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Barb, I’m sorry for your loss. You raise a great point. My mom passed away a couple years ago, and it was such a gift that she was able to prepare everything so after I was able to relatively easily resolve all those things that need to be taken care of (she had warning and was physically/mentally/emotionally able, which is not the case for everyone at the end…so more reason to prepare early!). Most importantly she organized her records very well. I am able to open a binder, go to a specific section, and there’s the paperwork I need. She also sold her 4-bdrm home and cleared out posessions…that was my childhood home, and a home accumulates A LOT over 20+ years, so it was a huge blessing not to have to deal with that after she died.
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Helping my Dad clear out the house took over 2 years after my Mom passed away.
On the radio Thursday, an eldercare specialist professed hope that boomers would be the first generation to not leave so much stuff – she thought boomers understood their heirs weren’t interested in Hummel collections or 30 years of National Geographics. Would be nice if she were right!
I wonder, JD, if your drive to neaten up before going to bed is partly that the apt is 100% your responsibility, partly your way of claiming the apt as your own personal space, and partly a way to ‘turn over a new leaf’ as you (re-)enter singlehood?? Or, don’t worry about the why – just embrace the new behavior
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It shows how much you’ve truly changed your financial ways that you can sit on a huge nest egg of money and pretend it’s not there. I think that’s one of the keys of financial well-being and avoiding living paycheck-to-paycheck. I’m always amazed how many people just spend whatever they have, no matter how much or little it is – if there’s cash in their pocket or money in an account, it’s to be spent ASAP. It’s like they are a toddlers with no sense of control or long-term planning or thinking of consequences.
I’m also impressed by how well you manage to live on a much lower income than some people. Nice money management! My other thought about this: the new owners of this website should pay you more
Your salary seems low for the amount of value you still bring to Get Rich Slowly. I dare say that a lot (the majority?) of readings would leave if your ongoing story weren’t part of the website.
Good job with the charity work. Sounds like an interesting evolution, and you found a great audience for your upcoming lecture. I hope that you eventually start giving money, both to benefit others and to benefit yourself – it will be interesting to start letting go of some of your money, flexing your “giving muscle”, and having to confront the issues this brings up in your emotions.
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About the giving, since so many seem to be mentioning that:
For those that don’t like to give money, how about giving THNGS? Food, to the almost constant food drives? Drop a trunk full off at the local food bank. There are always eye glasses, coat and shoe, book and school supplies drives where we are, and at Christmas! How could you not want to contribuite to Toys for Tots?! If you give THINGS you have the fun of picking them out, and knowing/imaginging how happy someone’s going to be when they receive it. Teachers (my husband has so many sad stories each year about middle school aged kids) can ALWAYS use supplies for the kids whose families just didn’t have the money to get them ANYTHING.
A few people posted how much easier it is to give money, than time, I don’t really agree with that in all respects. When you don’t have a lot of money, and you choose to share with others, I think it’s a wonderful thing. Someone posted, I couldn’t find it again, that if you don’t give money, you become too attatched to it, that’s a good thought. I could see that with a lot of people, because after a while what you havn’t isn’t enough, and you feel like you have to have more, more more. I know some family members like that. Nicest people in the world, but if you had lost your house, your job and were living in your car, they’d just shake their heads and say too bad, call me later and let me know how you are, because it’s not a habit, or even desire for them to give
If you can give, I say give. Give whatever you can and feel you should, be it time, money or donations, but please don’t think that giving money is the easy way out! It’s not! And a lot can be done with it!!
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I started giving when I saw what % of my income I was frittering on fun things. I figured heck, NPR and a few other orgs can have 1% of my income! I intend to boost it over time, too, though I didn’t do so well on that front last year.
But that’s my life and my spending-tracking speaking to me.
I too want to know if you’re still saving for retirement or calling it good for now (I think I’d do the latter, honestly). I strongly disagree with the comment above advocating for buying a condo just because you can – renting has some huge benefits!
A person can live pretty well on your income, but it will require being careful and making tradeoffs. I for one am really looking forward to hearing how food expenditures go … you can’t live on oatmeal for every meal
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Good thought re NPR! About 5 years ago, I expanded my giving from more typical charitable causes that everyone thinks about (poverty, women’s rights, the environment, whatever else) to also include services I use every day but don’t think about. This mainly involved new annual donations to NPR, my local NPR station, and This American Life. They are invaluable to me, and I use them every day and don’t think about how they come to me for free. It’s a pleasure to give my money to a service I value so much.
Maybe this is something you could also support with money, JD!
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That’s the spirit, Bethh! Let others enjoy owning big assets and make their stupid profits and capital gains from their homes! Never mind that JD could own a condo or a small home free and clear without ANY of the burdens that usually come w/ home ownership, like having to save up for a down payment or the obligation of having to pay off a mortgage. Without a mortgage, he’d also have plenty of extra money for things like maintenance and upkeep. Also, never mind that JD would be out from under the eternal psychological pressure of monthly rent payments — oh no, that wouldn’t be good for a writer w/ an irregular income who loves world travel.
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Don’t forget about special assessments and association fees.
Each side has its ups and downs.
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Long-term, who knows? Maybe I’ll own a place. Right now, I want to explore the world of renting again. I’ve written for two years about how renting makes sense for some people. I believe I’m one of those people. But I’m well aware that I may decide this isn’t for me at some point in the future…
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I’m totally a renting person! I don’t like to be tied down to one place. Now, we have housing provided by work (a boarding school). But if we didn’t, I’d still be renting. When I get that itch, I don’t want to have to deal with the whole mess of selling a house. Plus, having to fix the house, upkeep, etc? Also not my bag.
I expect I’ll own a house at some point, and I think a little part of me will be really sad then.
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Geesh, I get behind on my blog reading and see this post first. GRS sold, wow.
Anyway, a belated congrats to JD. Not sure what else to say, I’m still processing the whole thing.
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New Question: How do I get in on the class of 35 latina women?
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I am curious about the nest egg. We have one because of a windfall, and are also trying not to use it for daily living expenses. However, we have kids who will need college, weddings, etc., so we’ll probably use some of it then, and eventually we’d like to be able to pass on some of the nest egg to the kids so they have financial security.
Do you know why you’re not spending it? Any plans, or still thinking about it?
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JD – Regarding your out of whack asset allocation. Don’t be in a big rush to make any changes until your divorce is final. What you think you will have and what you end up with may be different. For example, maybe Kris will buy out your interest in the house. That would give you a chunk of cash to invest in your taxable account. Or maybe the two of you will make other trade-offs.
In order to make re-balancing easier for me I’ve set up my mutual fund dividends to pay out in cash rather than reinvest automatically in the same fund. I can use the cash to buy a different investment type. Also use new contributions to balance the under weighted assets. If you’re too out of whack for these to work then sell some assets after ensuring that your understand the tax consequences AFTER the divorce is final.
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Good job on the volunteering, JD. You’ve made huge strides in this area. As my husband likes to say “You’re going in a good direction!”
We have a book called “If Everybody did” and it gives scenarios about what the world would look like if “everyone did”–things like bring in mud, pick a wildflower instead of looking at it, climbing all over furniture, etc. Then it shows what would happen if everyone did the better thing like smelling the flowers instead of picking them, picking up after themselves instead of littering, etc.
I tend to think about this with charity. “If everyone did as I much as I do to help others who are in need, how would this world look?” It can help you see if things are in perspective. I think donating 5 hours a week is fantastic, BTW.
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