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	<title>Comments on: Questioning the Norm: Storing Fruits and Veggies</title>
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		<title>By: Jeanette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to try that. Have had some luck though with buying two boxes of winter squash from a farmer&#039;s market stand at the end of the marketing season and storing them in my cool basement. At a total cost of about $18, I got at least 24 squash. That breaks down to .75 for a whole butternut squash. I cut them in half, take out the seeds and bake them, serving them with a splash of maple syrup and a dust of pumpkin pie spice. Who needs pie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to try that. Have had some luck though with buying two boxes of winter squash from a farmer&#8217;s market stand at the end of the marketing season and storing them in my cool basement. At a total cost of about $18, I got at least 24 squash. That breaks down to .75 for a whole butternut squash. I cut them in half, take out the seeds and bake them, serving them with a splash of maple syrup and a dust of pumpkin pie spice. Who needs pie!</p>
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		<title>By: Leolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will definitely be looking in more ways to keep my foods fresher longer. I hate it when I have to throw away food that I forgot about, didn&#039;t know that I still had, or that spoiled before I used it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will definitely be looking in more ways to keep my foods fresher longer. I hate it when I have to throw away food that I forgot about, didn&#8217;t know that I still had, or that spoiled before I used it.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh @ Live Well Simply</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh @ Live Well Simply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question would be, what is the food value of UHT milk? Anything that is nuked at those temps can&#039;t be good for you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question would be, what is the food value of UHT milk? Anything that is nuked at those temps can&#8217;t be good for you. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ayesha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few options for vegan dairy. Generally you can use soy or almond products, such as soy cheese, almond milk, etc.

For my all time favorite which I used for a year with my son who&#039;s prone to asthmatic attacks and is allergic to nuts and soy - RICE PRODUCTS!  

Did you know rice can be used to make almost anything? Yeah, I didn&#039;t either and I still don&#039;t actually enjoy them but there&#039;s rice milk, rice cheese, and even rice gluten-free, dairy-free pancakes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few options for vegan dairy. Generally you can use soy or almond products, such as soy cheese, almond milk, etc.</p>
<p>For my all time favorite which I used for a year with my son who&#8217;s prone to asthmatic attacks and is allergic to nuts and soy &#8211; RICE PRODUCTS!  </p>
<p>Did you know rice can be used to make almost anything? Yeah, I didn&#8217;t either and I still don&#8217;t actually enjoy them but there&#8217;s rice milk, rice cheese, and even rice gluten-free, dairy-free pancakes!</p>
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		<title>By: Ru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is a &quot;vegan source of dairy products&quot;? Apart from a contradiction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a &#8220;vegan source of dairy products&#8221;? Apart from a contradiction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family in Japan stores food differently due to high energy costs there and the astronomical prices of some foods. Small refrigerators are the norm and food is purchased fresh daily, with the intention that it will be prepared very soon. The Japanese are more in tune with how much they will consume in a day rather than buying for a week or more.
Fruit is bought in small quantities and not refrigerated. Meat, fish and seafood are usually kept cold a short time until used for dinner. Dairy foods are not consumed in the quantities that Westerners use.
With this background, I usually buy a lot of fresh fruit and a moderate amount of veggies, using my freezer for protein foods (since we live rurally) and my fridge to store some veggies, condiments and leftovers. We use vegan sources of dairy products, most of which can be bought by the case and frozen. Therefore, we live with a small refrigerator and medium freezer which is adequate for our needs.
We winter over squash and apples that we grow. In the summer and fall we enjoy the bounty from our garden.
Often our culture determines how we buy, store and use foods throughout our lives. It is clear from this article that our energy consumption can be lowered with thought given to how we eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family in Japan stores food differently due to high energy costs there and the astronomical prices of some foods. Small refrigerators are the norm and food is purchased fresh daily, with the intention that it will be prepared very soon. The Japanese are more in tune with how much they will consume in a day rather than buying for a week or more.<br />
Fruit is bought in small quantities and not refrigerated. Meat, fish and seafood are usually kept cold a short time until used for dinner. Dairy foods are not consumed in the quantities that Westerners use.<br />
With this background, I usually buy a lot of fresh fruit and a moderate amount of veggies, using my freezer for protein foods (since we live rurally) and my fridge to store some veggies, condiments and leftovers. We use vegan sources of dairy products, most of which can be bought by the case and frozen. Therefore, we live with a small refrigerator and medium freezer which is adequate for our needs.<br />
We winter over squash and apples that we grow. In the summer and fall we enjoy the bounty from our garden.<br />
Often our culture determines how we buy, store and use foods throughout our lives. It is clear from this article that our energy consumption can be lowered with thought given to how we eat.</p>
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		<title>By: doug_eike</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug_eike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One money-saving thing I do in the winter is heat only the room (usually my office) I am in at the time. I spend hours in one place, so there&#039;s no need to heat the entire house.  This habit saves me hundreds of dollars a year.  Thanks for the tips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One money-saving thing I do in the winter is heat only the room (usually my office) I am in at the time. I spend hours in one place, so there&#8217;s no need to heat the entire house.  This habit saves me hundreds of dollars a year.  Thanks for the tips!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really nice article, thanks for sharing the link! I&#039;m going to check out the other site, because our summer CSA pounds us with produce that seems to just go bad so quickly. 

I see a lot of media hype about how all food needs to be kept at a &quot;safe&quot; temperature. And some of these stories have made us move things like open peanut butter or open oils out of the pantry and into the fridge. But, are people going too far in their fear of food-born illness? Makes me think of the organ-transport-like rules for kids lunches discussed on Free Range kids last year: http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/whats-the-difference-between-a-sack-lunch-a-recently-beating-heart/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really nice article, thanks for sharing the link! I&#8217;m going to check out the other site, because our summer CSA pounds us with produce that seems to just go bad so quickly. </p>
<p>I see a lot of media hype about how all food needs to be kept at a &#8220;safe&#8221; temperature. And some of these stories have made us move things like open peanut butter or open oils out of the pantry and into the fridge. But, are people going too far in their fear of food-born illness? Makes me think of the organ-transport-like rules for kids lunches discussed on Free Range kids last year: <a href="http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/whats-the-difference-between-a-sack-lunch-a-recently-beating-heart/" rel="nofollow">http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/whats-the-difference-between-a-sack-lunch-a-recently-beating-heart/</a></p>
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		<title>By: alcie</title>
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		<dc:creator>alcie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find interesting about all the various differences in food storage habits is how they often just reflect preferences.  Several folks above always refrigerate apples, and don&#039;t like to eat room temp ones.  I would never put apples in the fridge, because it makes them taste not so good.  But I grew up with apples that came from trees out back, and much prefer apples that have been recently (a day or two) picked off the tree.  After that they taste different.  We also had winter storage apples from the trees, but I never cared for them unless they were cooked.

I never peel apples, although I often quarter them, because organic apples can have critters living in them sometimes and I prefer not to eat the critter.  It wouldn&#039;t hurt me to eat the critter, but it just doesn&#039;t taste good.

As far as refrigerating other things goes, it is often variable depending how much space I have.  I don&#039;t use a very large fridge because it has to be small to fit into my kitchen.  Milk always gets refrigerated (or put on the back porch in winter) but eggs might come out if I need room for something else.  Meat dish leftovers generally get refrigerated, but vegetarian things like black beans and rice might stay on the stove overnight if there&#039;s no space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting about all the various differences in food storage habits is how they often just reflect preferences.  Several folks above always refrigerate apples, and don&#8217;t like to eat room temp ones.  I would never put apples in the fridge, because it makes them taste not so good.  But I grew up with apples that came from trees out back, and much prefer apples that have been recently (a day or two) picked off the tree.  After that they taste different.  We also had winter storage apples from the trees, but I never cared for them unless they were cooked.</p>
<p>I never peel apples, although I often quarter them, because organic apples can have critters living in them sometimes and I prefer not to eat the critter.  It wouldn&#8217;t hurt me to eat the critter, but it just doesn&#8217;t taste good.</p>
<p>As far as refrigerating other things goes, it is often variable depending how much space I have.  I don&#8217;t use a very large fridge because it has to be small to fit into my kitchen.  Milk always gets refrigerated (or put on the back porch in winter) but eggs might come out if I need room for something else.  Meat dish leftovers generally get refrigerated, but vegetarian things like black beans and rice might stay on the stove overnight if there&#8217;s no space.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did not have a fridge when I was growing up and we would put pots with left over food in a dish of cold water overnight and warm it in the morning.  The food never spoiled, but we could only keep the food for two nights max.  My tummy was &#039;tough tested&#039; because I had no problem even if the food was slightly spoiled.  However, now my tummy is sensitive and I do not dare go near anything I suspect is about to go bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did not have a fridge when I was growing up and we would put pots with left over food in a dish of cold water overnight and warm it in the morning.  The food never spoiled, but we could only keep the food for two nights max.  My tummy was &#8216;tough tested&#8217; because I had no problem even if the food was slightly spoiled.  However, now my tummy is sensitive and I do not dare go near anything I suspect is about to go bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily (from Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily (from Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I was wondering why nobody has mentioned the pesticides on the peel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was wondering why nobody has mentioned the pesticides on the peel&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do is shake unhomogonized milk......or else skim the fat of the top leaving you with skim milk.......did this for years in germany, where you can regularly get homogonized milk in the cooler section now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is shake unhomogonized milk&#8230;&#8230;or else skim the fat of the top leaving you with skim milk&#8230;&#8230;.did this for years in germany, where you can regularly get homogonized milk in the cooler section now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I eat a raw egg every morning from the fridge &amp; never get salmonella. It&#039;s a very low probability to get sick that can be cut even lower by rinsing the egg off before cracking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I eat a raw egg every morning from the fridge &amp; never get salmonella. It&#8217;s a very low probability to get sick that can be cut even lower by rinsing the egg off before cracking.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness, toothpaste produced in North America doesn&#039;t include antifreeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, toothpaste produced in North America doesn&#8217;t include antifreeze.</p>
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		<title>By: average guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>average guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to China many times. 

Believe me, you had better peel that apple, or any fruit, because of the heavy use of pesticides and chemicals used.

Eating anything raw that is not peeled is throwing the dice on your health.

The rule in China is: don&#039;t eat anything that is not peeled or cooked. Do you think things are better in other countries? Maybe..., maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to China many times. </p>
<p>Believe me, you had better peel that apple, or any fruit, because of the heavy use of pesticides and chemicals used.</p>
<p>Eating anything raw that is not peeled is throwing the dice on your health.</p>
<p>The rule in China is: don&#8217;t eat anything that is not peeled or cooked. Do you think things are better in other countries? Maybe&#8230;, maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do that, too, but only in the cool months (Oct -- April). My kitchen is barely heated, so the food stays cool-ish and I don&#039;t have space for a big pot in the fridge. I&#039;ve never gotten sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do that, too, but only in the cool months (Oct &#8212; April). My kitchen is barely heated, so the food stays cool-ish and I don&#8217;t have space for a big pot in the fridge. I&#8217;ve never gotten sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Holman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heather - Of course the milk was in a bag.  How else would you store it?  ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, terro:

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/04/10/how-to-get-rid-of-ants-without-calling-an-exterminator/</description>
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		<title>By: Ru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing about having 2 parents both with microbiology degrees is the food safety aspect! &quot;muuuuum, is this safe to eat?&quot; has been a constant in house catchphrase my entire life (both parents got the degree, but mum was a microbiologist for 25 years). We eat a fair number of things that have gone past the best before date.

I eat at a time when I&#039;m hungry, not before. If I force in an early meal, I get hungry earlier and end up having to eat more later in the day. My friends at uni skip breakfast and then eat at 12:30, but my morning porridge can keep me going as late as 15:00. If I eat at 12:30 with them, I need an afternoon snack which is a waste of food and money.

In areas other than food, I guess the best way I question the norm is with transport. I stick to public transport or walking. When I lived in Zone 1 (Southwark) in London I literally walked everywhere, as far as Camden Town in the north or Brick Lane a couple of times. Now I&#039;m a little further south (Camberwell), so I can&#039;t really walk as much, but I did get a bus pass and avoid using the tube if at all possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing about having 2 parents both with microbiology degrees is the food safety aspect! &#8220;muuuuum, is this safe to eat?&#8221; has been a constant in house catchphrase my entire life (both parents got the degree, but mum was a microbiologist for 25 years). We eat a fair number of things that have gone past the best before date.</p>
<p>I eat at a time when I&#8217;m hungry, not before. If I force in an early meal, I get hungry earlier and end up having to eat more later in the day. My friends at uni skip breakfast and then eat at 12:30, but my morning porridge can keep me going as late as 15:00. If I eat at 12:30 with them, I need an afternoon snack which is a waste of food and money.</p>
<p>In areas other than food, I guess the best way I question the norm is with transport. I stick to public transport or walking. When I lived in Zone 1 (Southwark) in London I literally walked everywhere, as far as Camden Town in the north or Brick Lane a couple of times. Now I&#8217;m a little further south (Camberwell), so I can&#8217;t really walk as much, but I did get a bus pass and avoid using the tube if at all possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Esme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bag milk is not UHT milk. It&#039;s exactly the same as American jug milk, just in a one litre bag, that gets popped into a pitcher and the corner gets opened for pouring. Bag milk cannot be stored in the cupboard indefinitely before opening like UHT milk. If the milk tasted different, it was probably a fat percentage you weren&#039;t used to or perhaps just the particular dairy. UHT milk is primarily a European and UK thing- they tried it here in Canada and it went over like a lead balloon as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bag milk is not UHT milk. It&#8217;s exactly the same as American jug milk, just in a one litre bag, that gets popped into a pitcher and the corner gets opened for pouring. Bag milk cannot be stored in the cupboard indefinitely before opening like UHT milk. If the milk tasted different, it was probably a fat percentage you weren&#8217;t used to or perhaps just the particular dairy. UHT milk is primarily a European and UK thing- they tried it here in Canada and it went over like a lead balloon as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years ago I switched to a pair of chest (top loading) freezers, one of which has a box hooked onto the mains power lead that cuts the power if the freezer drops below 3 degrees (c), thus converting it into a fridge.

As the door is at the top, it&#039;s an order of magnitude more efficient than even the best front loading fridges as the cool air is heavy and it stays inside the fridge even if the door is opened repeatedly or is left open. It&#039;d be even more efficient if I used non-cheap freezers, but either way, my power bill went through the floor and has stayed there ever since. As my hot water is gas fired, my power bill now mostly contains the daily service fee and next to no usage fee. 

I now wonder whether the dollar a day service fee could be better spent on a small solar panel and battery setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years ago I switched to a pair of chest (top loading) freezers, one of which has a box hooked onto the mains power lead that cuts the power if the freezer drops below 3 degrees (c), thus converting it into a fridge.</p>
<p>As the door is at the top, it&#8217;s an order of magnitude more efficient than even the best front loading fridges as the cool air is heavy and it stays inside the fridge even if the door is opened repeatedly or is left open. It&#8217;d be even more efficient if I used non-cheap freezers, but either way, my power bill went through the floor and has stayed there ever since. As my hot water is gas fired, my power bill now mostly contains the daily service fee and next to no usage fee. </p>
<p>I now wonder whether the dollar a day service fee could be better spent on a small solar panel and battery setup.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at any American etiquette book from  before about 1980, you will find strict injunctions about never serving anything still in the original commercial packaging at the table.  This went for all condiments and beverages, even wine.</description>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother-in law does this too and honestly it kind of grosses me out. She does it because that&#039;s what they did in Mexico. They would make a big pot of beans or other food and just leave it on the stove and heat it every couple of hours. My SIL&#039;s (who often eat at her place) are always getting stomach bugs and I think that&#039;s why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother-in law does this too and honestly it kind of grosses me out. She does it because that&#8217;s what they did in Mexico. They would make a big pot of beans or other food and just leave it on the stove and heat it every couple of hours. My SIL&#8217;s (who often eat at her place) are always getting stomach bugs and I think that&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please keep in mind that the restaurant industry food codes are in place assuming that any customer at any time could be immuno-compromised (aged, young, AIDs, transplant meds, just getting over the flu...). If you do not fall under the category of &quot;immuno-suppressed&quot; and are a generally-healthy individual, those rules can be bent by a fairly significant degree. 

Also keep in mind that in your own home, you&#039;re pretty well aware how many days ago you pulled out that butter on the counter, but in a restaurant where there are many hands and many minds and not enough time in the day to communicate everything and you never know whether every person is following the rules to the letter, those items need to be stored more carefully. If the butter can be left out for a few hours with no problem, I don&#039;t tell my employees that because &quot;Well she said 2 hours but 3 won&#039;t hurt...&quot; turns into &quot;Oops I tucked that in the corner and forgot to put it away and then I rushed out at the end of my shift and no one noticed and the next thing I knew I haven&#039;t worked for three days and it got left out that long.&quot; In my own home? I knew full well how long ago I got that butter. At work? I have no idea when it got left out and whether mice ran over it or if someone spilled bleach on the floor nearby in the interim. At home it just goes in the fridge--at work, it gets tossed. Different demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please keep in mind that the restaurant industry food codes are in place assuming that any customer at any time could be immuno-compromised (aged, young, AIDs, transplant meds, just getting over the flu&#8230;). If you do not fall under the category of &#8220;immuno-suppressed&#8221; and are a generally-healthy individual, those rules can be bent by a fairly significant degree. </p>
<p>Also keep in mind that in your own home, you&#8217;re pretty well aware how many days ago you pulled out that butter on the counter, but in a restaurant where there are many hands and many minds and not enough time in the day to communicate everything and you never know whether every person is following the rules to the letter, those items need to be stored more carefully. If the butter can be left out for a few hours with no problem, I don&#8217;t tell my employees that because &#8220;Well she said 2 hours but 3 won&#8217;t hurt&#8230;&#8221; turns into &#8220;Oops I tucked that in the corner and forgot to put it away and then I rushed out at the end of my shift and no one noticed and the next thing I knew I haven&#8217;t worked for three days and it got left out that long.&#8221; In my own home? I knew full well how long ago I got that butter. At work? I have no idea when it got left out and whether mice ran over it or if someone spilled bleach on the floor nearby in the interim. At home it just goes in the fridge&#8211;at work, it gets tossed. Different demographics.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a similar problem of buying things and hoarding food, just in case. In my case, it makes sense: unpredictable disabilities will throw a monkey-wrench in the meal planning at least twice a week. Oh, Fridays are usually high-energy days, just due to our routines? Not today, Cupcake! Gotta give up on that dream of the dinner with lots of prep and pick something easy. A couple days ago it was a big fancy-meal night that go co-opted for an easy meal, and I was so grateful I had communicated to my Partner that the lone chicken quarter and pork rib were for just such an occasion. 

The issue I keep running into is that sometimes food takes longer to thaw than I expect, and sometimes bad days result in not using something carefully planned ahead goes bad. I&#039;ve gotten much better at re-evaluating the meal plans every few days according to what&#039;s in the freezer, and using what&#039;s available for whatever I can make when the bad days pop up. It does make for some interesting meal combinations though (red curry soup with tacos? ok then!)

And really, I just never take the time to cook the dried beans, but I CAN say they have been very useful during spells where the right beans weren&#039;t on sale or I haven&#039;t been able to go grocery shopping for a couple weeks. I realized one day that my food storage was moving into hoarding territory when I refused to eat the last can of black beans for two weeks because OMG what if I need it later?? We&#039;ve been a lot more conscious about moving through it all since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a similar problem of buying things and hoarding food, just in case. In my case, it makes sense: unpredictable disabilities will throw a monkey-wrench in the meal planning at least twice a week. Oh, Fridays are usually high-energy days, just due to our routines? Not today, Cupcake! Gotta give up on that dream of the dinner with lots of prep and pick something easy. A couple days ago it was a big fancy-meal night that go co-opted for an easy meal, and I was so grateful I had communicated to my Partner that the lone chicken quarter and pork rib were for just such an occasion. </p>
<p>The issue I keep running into is that sometimes food takes longer to thaw than I expect, and sometimes bad days result in not using something carefully planned ahead goes bad. I&#8217;ve gotten much better at re-evaluating the meal plans every few days according to what&#8217;s in the freezer, and using what&#8217;s available for whatever I can make when the bad days pop up. It does make for some interesting meal combinations though (red curry soup with tacos? ok then!)</p>
<p>And really, I just never take the time to cook the dried beans, but I CAN say they have been very useful during spells where the right beans weren&#8217;t on sale or I haven&#8217;t been able to go grocery shopping for a couple weeks. I realized one day that my food storage was moving into hoarding territory when I refused to eat the last can of black beans for two weeks because OMG what if I need it later?? We&#8217;ve been a lot more conscious about moving through it all since.</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oregon may the &quot;greenest&quot; state in terms of vegitation - but it is far from some bastion of environmental consiousness. In fact it&#039;s worse than Jersey (a place I&#039;m sure people associate with rampant distruction of the environment).
Reason being - Jersey ran out room for all the trash for all the people and have implemented much more stingent and convenient recycling rules. Oregon for the most part still has A LOT of rural areas/small towns that only recycle things witrh deposits. 
Where I grew up in Jersey - anywhere that sells bottled beverages has a special trash can for recycling. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen a recycling bin in a take out restaurant or convenience store in Oregon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oregon may the &#8220;greenest&#8221; state in terms of vegitation &#8211; but it is far from some bastion of environmental consiousness. In fact it&#8217;s worse than Jersey (a place I&#8217;m sure people associate with rampant distruction of the environment).<br />
Reason being &#8211; Jersey ran out room for all the trash for all the people and have implemented much more stingent and convenient recycling rules. Oregon for the most part still has A LOT of rural areas/small towns that only recycle things witrh deposits.<br />
Where I grew up in Jersey &#8211; anywhere that sells bottled beverages has a special trash can for recycling. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen a recycling bin in a take out restaurant or convenience store in Oregon.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a proper Caesar salad dressing.  Yum.</description>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in that case the author was discussing family-culture, not necessarily ethnic-culture.</description>
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		<title>By: betsy22</title>
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		<dc:creator>betsy22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re using Terro and have been for quite awhile - it helps control the population, but hasn&#039;t completely eradicated it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re using Terro and have been for quite awhile &#8211; it helps control the population, but hasn&#8217;t completely eradicated it.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I help keep the temp down by using my fridge to store plenty of, um, adult beverages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I help keep the temp down by using my fridge to store plenty of, um, adult beverages.</p>
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