For the next week (or two), we’ll be sharing “audition” pieces from folks interested in being new staff writers at Get Rich Slowly. Your job is to let us know what you think of each of these writers. Pay attention, give feedback, and after a couple of weeks we’ll ask which writers you prefer. This article is from Honey Smith, who says she’s at the beginning of her debt-reduction journey.
How much should you spend on a wedding? Well, that depends on who you’re asking, I suppose. As I’m sure most of you are aware, the personal finance blogosphere tends to be divided into two main camps: those that are focused on investments and entrepreneurship and those that are focused on frugality.
In my experience, however, the entrepreneurship camp is pretty live-and-let-live. The whole “cut everything you don’t care about so you can spend whatever you’d like on the things you do care about” school of thought. When you think about it, this makes sense for a few reasons.
- We all have different skill sets to be utilized in our respective side hustles.
- Different skills mean different pricing schemes.
- We all have different work and family situations that we’re fitting said side hustles in around.
- We all care about spending our money on different things, and those things cost different amounts and reflect our tastes and values.
Long story short, what this means is that sometimes it’s difficult to talk about investment and entrepreneurial issues in a way that applies to everyone.
- Scenario 1: Someone who just graduated from college, hasn’t been able to find a job yet, and doesn’t have much work experience or professional contacts who is moving out of the dorms and trying to get a lease on an apartment.
- Scenario 2: someone who has been in a stable job in their field for fifteen years and wants to start building up their side hustle so they can leave their nine to five and spend more time working from home now that their second child is on the way and their home is halfway paid off.
How do you give the meaningful advice to both folks at the same time? Not an easy task.
However, if I post a recipe for how to make your own laundry detergent and tell you it only takes 20 minutes to make a six-month supply, well — there’s no reason everyone can’t take advantage of that, right? As a result, frugalistas tend to be a little more “one size fits all” and, dare I say it, judgmental (in lots of blog communities, anyway, though blessedly less so at GRS).
What does all this have to do with my wedding? While my husband and I spent significantly less than the national average of $27,000, we did end up clocking in at what was — for me, anyway — a nearly heart-stopping $11,400.
However, there’s more to this type of spending than pure number-crunching; psychology and social expectations play a huge role, and those who argue that those factors shouldn’t play a part are in need of a serious reality check.
Expectations v. Reality
Contrary to stereotype, my idea of a wedding was eloping and sending out postcards to our holiday card list afterward telling people it happened. After all, we not only have school and consumer debt we’re trying to pay off (more on that in another post), but we’ve been together for six years and living together for four of those years. In my eyes, it was a formality that didn’t require a huge expense.
My fiancé, on the other hand, wanted the whole shebang: ceremony in a church (which I did manage to talk him out of — barely — by pointing out that we’re atheists) and formal reception with a hundred and fifty guests. He’d literally been dreaming of his wedding day his entire life and had never once envisioned it without all the bells and whistles. I can’t emphasize this enough; He wanted a black-tie affair and a string quartet, and that’s just for starters.
After pointing out a few salient points, like:
- I hadn’t paid off over $10,000 in credit card debt just to rack it all up again, especially when my salary is only $40,000 per year.
- He had just quit his extremely lucrative job at a mid-size law firm where he was well on his way to partner for a far more uncertain future starting his own firm with a friend who isn’t exactly renowned for his work ethic.
- Our parents were in no position to contribute to the costs: we were completely on our own as far as paying for the wedding.
He agreed with me that there was no way we could pull off a traditional wedding and honeymoon on our own. At first we didn’t think this was going to be a big deal; after all, surely there were less-expensive packages offered by wedding vendors, right? We priced five vendors and, much to our surprise, struggled to find a single one that could provide us for a quote under $20,000. Which didn’t even include the honeymoon. Gulp. Enter compromise. But where would we even start?
However, over the course of many conversations, priorities began to emerge.
First, neither of us are huge DIY-ers, meaning we weren’t going to sit around for hours making invitations and table centerpieces from scratch. Second, having a formal event was non-negotiable; a pot-luck in the park wasn’t going to cut it. Third, the event itself could be small, as long as all our friends and family were invited. Fourth, we weren’t willing to forgo a honeymoon in favor of the ceremony. And finally, we wanted to go on a cruise for our honeymoon.
The Epiphany
Score! I don’t even know where he came across it since it’s not on the cruise company’s main page, but somewhere in the endless Google searches my husband found what ended up being our solution: having the wedding itself on the cruise ship! While it sounds deliciously decadent, shockingly it ended up our most affordable option.
Here’s a rough cost breakdown:
- Ceremony and Reception: $2000 for up to 20 guests, $30/each thereafter. We ended up paying about $250 for going over the limit, so $2250 total. The reception was an open bar and included a selection of 10 appetizers.
- DJ: $100. We provided the CDs with music, he was just the host.
- Flowers: $100. Basic bouquets.
- Bride’s apparel: $600. I bought a sample dress for $110 and had it tailored. This amount also includes my accessories.
- Groom’s apparel: $200, tuxedo rental. Though pricey, a tux was one of his non-negotiables and going through the cruise company was cheaper than having to rent a tux for the entire week of the cruise.
- Rings: $300 each, $600 total. My ring is white gold with CZ accent stones and his is white gold. We bought mine off a costume jewelry website and his off Amazon.
- “Rehearsal” dinner: $400. There wasn’t actually a rehearsal since the boat docked the morning of the ceremony, but we took our friends and family out for deep-fried seafood the night before we set sail.
- Invitations: $500. Note: This is probably the expense I regret the most. Due to a pretty significant miscommunication, we waited until the last minute humanly possible to get invitations sorted out, and we paid for it. Ugh.
- Postage: $100. Note: Don’t forget to account for this expense! We had to buy 65-cent stamps for the invitations and then you have to also stamp the RSVP cards. Originally the plan was to do RSVP postcards to save a bit, but since we needed full legal names and birth dates with the RSVPs to comply with cruise ship regulations, this didn’t end up being feasible.
- Wedding website: $100. This was for one year of hosting service, which is about how far in advance you want to start notifying people of a cruise wedding anyway.
- Bridesmaid’s gifts: $300. I bought their jewelry for the wedding as well as took them out to a fancy brunch, since they planned the bridal shower in my state and a bachelorette party in the state where the wedding was held, despite the fact that neither of them lived in either of those states.
- Favors: $150. This one was almost a fight, too, since the favors he wanted were really expensive. However, since we had fewer than 30 people attending when all was said and done, we could spring for this.
- Photographs: $1000. Note: this seemed expensive to me, but apparently a professional wedding photographer usually runs $3000 or more. Our photographer was actually included in the cost of the wedding, so the $1000 is only for the prints we purchased and digital copies of those prints. He also turned them around in THREE DAYS, which is apparently unheard of in “normal” wedding photography circles. And everyone agrees that they’re stunning.
- Flights, hotel, and other transportation: $1500. We live in Arizona and the cruise departed from Florida, so we would have spent this regardless. It’s also worth noting that my friends and family all are from Florida and having the wedding there was the only way a lot of them could afford to come. Additionally, we ended up having to pay the overweight luggage fees because we weren’t willing to pack light for our own wedding.
- Cruise: $2200. This was a seven-day western Caribbean cruise with four ports of call. We also stayed in one of the nicest cabins on the ship – we had a living area, plenty of closet space, and a balcony.
- Spending while on cruise: $1300. This included excursions like snorkeling with sting rays, zip lining in Belize, tubing through ancient Mayan caves, alcoholic beverages while on the cruise, and all gratuities.
Total: $11,400
Since the wedding actually happened while the ship was in its home port, guests could attend even if they weren’t coming on the cruise. Since they weren’t obligated to cruise with us, and most of the guests would have had to travel to us even if we’d gotten married in our home state, the wedding was no more or less a burden to attend than it would have been otherwise. And four of our friends did end up joining us on the cruise, which ended up being even more fun than a honeymoon alone!
The Aftershocks Afterglow
We managed to pay for about half of these costs prior to the wedding, and ended up with credit card balances of approximately $5000 that still need to be paid off, or about $2500 apiece (we haven’t combined finances yet). However, it’s also worth noting that I fully paid off my last remaining $2500 in credit card debt during the year prior to the wedding. On the surface my balance hasn’t changed, but this means I know I can pay off my share of wedding debt within a year, since I’ve basically done it before.
While I will admit that I started off resenting every penny and every minute of my time I spent on the experience (remember, I wanted to elope), I had an amazing time and appreciated the opportunity to reconnect with family and friends a lot more than I thought I would. And while he started off resenting that we weren’t taking advantage of every upgrade available, after everything was said and done he agreed that everyone considered every aspect of our wedding to be very classy, indeed.
What Do You Think?
Are we heroes to be commended for spending less than half the national average? Complete and total fools duped by consumerism and the wedding racket into spending way more than we should have? Have you ever had an experience with a romantic partner where initial opinions differed so radically on an issue of such significance? If so, how did you resolve it?
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Roughly 150 € for fees, flowers and treating our parents too lunch.
Said parents gifted us a meet up and dinner for them and the rest of the family in a quality restaurant.
Some years later € 250 for a set of pocket clocks instead of rings.
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Oh, the joy of conflicting expectations!
Contrary to the stereotype of bridezillas, I was the one happy to elope and let people know by email, and my now husband was the one who had been dreaming of his wedding since elementary school.
I’m mostly relieved to find out he wasn’t the only one who dreamed of a string quartet! My reaction was something along the lines of, “where do you even GET those?! Do people still do that?!”
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Mine too! What’s up with that?!? I won the battle and eloped. He didn’t want the string quartet but really wanted a national recording artist. He got the band— on the condition that I got Vikings season tickets. Again, what’s up with that?
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We had a string quartet at ours, but my wife is a musician and her friends played for free. It was their wedding gift to us.
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A not-too-germane story I was reminded of while reading this post:
In 1967, when I was a married college senior, we were expecting our first child. When the baby came and we discovered it was a girl (back in those days, you didn’t know the gender of a baby until it was held up by the doctor, who said “It’s a ….”), I knew the tradition of the family of the bride paying most of the costs of the wedding would face me.
From her earliest days, my daughter heard the word “elope” from me whenever we played together. One of her early favorite things was to lay on her back while I moved her legs in a bicycling motion while I repeated the word “elope.”
Fast forward about 23 years. My daughter and her boyfriend were in business together as local distributors for a national company.
They had a very good year and were rewarded with a company-paid trip to Hawaii. From there, she called me to tell me they had gotten married.
Her biggest wedding expense was to make copies of the wedding video and send them to all the family and friends, plus a card sent in advance to tell them of the wedding and the later arrival of the video.
I like to think my early “training” paid off.
Cost to the father of the bride: $0.
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This strikes me as really sad, for some reason. I had a huge wedding, but it was a cultural thing for our family. My parents encouraged me to seek and education and be successful – thus my husband and I were able to pay for our wedding ourselves.
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Awesome story!
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That is a horribly sad story.
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This strikes me as kind of sad too. I think we as a couture have forgotten about the true meaning of family and community when it comes to weddings. When people think of weddings now, they first think of the extravagance and the cost associated – not the good times and lifelong memories associated with it.
If I were to elope without telling my family, they would kill me. They would rather witness me get married in my apartment (my brother had an apartment wedding) then to inform them after the fact, like, “hey, by the way…”
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I think this story is really funny!
It may seem sad if you are picturing a family that has become disconnected– But I’m picturing a family that had already welcomed the boyfriend into the family, and the wedding was a technicality.
There was a point where my parents would have liked for me to have had a wedding, but after years and years of me proclaiming that I’d never get married, I think they’d be thrilled if I eloped! (They actually probably wouldn’t care too much– I’ve been with my dude for a decade already, and my family is not traditional). I assume that Cybrgeezer’s family and mine are similar.
I appreciate that many people are traditional and take the wedding ceremony as something symbolic and important, but I wish those traditionalists would respect the opposite viewpoint– That an expensive wedding with many guests is not necessary in order to have a loving marriage and supportive families.
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I would have been very hurt if my dad said to me. I am of Chinese descent and I was raised with the expectation that the groom’s husband was to pay for the wedding. However, my parents readily adapted to American culture and by the time my wedding came around my dad offered to pay for half of my wedding.
In the end my husband and I paid for our entire wedding. My parents wanted an extravagent wedding and my father-in-law wanted us to elope to save money. We decided that we wanted to call the shots so we paid for it ourselves.
We did spend more than the national average because we lived in NYC where everything is more expensive. However, we did not go into any debt for our wedding. I do not regret my wedding expenses at all and neither does my husband. It made for lifelong memories with our nearest and dearest 110 family and friends.
However, both my husband and I are still hurt over the fact that his dad wanted us to elope because of the money issue.
My dad values money very much. He comments on the cost of everything, not that he is cheap but extremely price conscious. However, for my wedding he never mentioned price/cost, he wanted me to have the best of everything. I felt so loved, and that his gesture said more than words could have ever said. In return, I told him that I would rather he beef up his retirement funds. I assured him that I understood his intentions, but my husband and I are happy to pay for the wedding that suits us.
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IF my daughters choose to get married it will be the biggest honour of my life to walk them down the aisle and pay for it. It is probably going to be the biggest day of their life and I wouldn’t want to miss it, regardless of the cost (which I would intend to save for).
If I were to miss that for any reason I think I would bitterly regret it.
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Well, not heroes no. I mean, good for you, but wedding culture is pervasive but we shouldn’t be framing resisting some small parts of it as a heroic effort of will.
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I think “heroes” is a bad choice of words – it implies a sacrifice or risk in order to help others. It’s great this couple was able to resist the “bells and whistles” and have a meaningful experience, but I don’t think it makes them heroes.
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I like to joke that my wife and I spent $60 on our wedding/elopement ($30 for license, $30 for the ceremony). Now, we bought rings, I got a new suit, she bought a white dress (though not a wedding dress), and we went out to dinner with friends that night, so it was certainly more than that. But we were budgeting for a “real” wedding and realizing it was going to take 3 years to pay for it ourselves! We decided that $20k was better used getting us a place of our own
As an aside, I like the idea of taking on a staff writer in the debt reduction phase of their life. I get the impression that element is missing from the rest of the staff writers.
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Second the debt reduction comment.
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You paid your money and got a exceptional experience in return. Yes, you did have to go in debt to do it which is bad, but you got a lot for your $11k wedding. How much do you think the people who spend $30k (in Stuff and experience) got?
Hero? No. Reasonable? Yup.
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I am firmly in the camp of spend money on the things that bring you value. It sounds like this brought both of you value, didn’t cripple you financially, and you are willing to accept and recover from it. Hence, money well spent IMHO.
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Cut up your credit cards and stop spending money you don’t have.
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My wife and I go on one cruise a year FOR FREE. It’s awesome, we just have to sit thorugh 2 weekends of someone trying to sell us on a timeshare (during which time she reads a book and I listen to music on headphones), and then we get a free cruise with airfare. THATS how you don’t spend money you don’t have!
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Is that a hard and fast rule, no exceptions? What if your father was on his deathbed and the only way you could afford a plane ticket to see him before he passed was to put it on a credit card?
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That’s what emergency funds are for. Easy to say, harder to do, but if the attitude is always “I had X amount of credit card debt last year, so I know I can pay it off,” then you will spend the rest of your life paying obscene interest rates for anything you think is important.
That said, it sounds like the author got a very good experience for the amount of money paid, so I don’t think that it’s for any of us to judge whether or not they were too extravagant. My wife and I considered eloping, but our families would have been very unhappy so we threw a party at a state park and had a modest ceremony for them to share in. She did a very good job of staying within the budget I’d set – I think our bottom line was about $5050 – the last-minute little things pushed us just over our $5k goal. From that experience, I learned that it’s very easy to spend a _lot_ of money on weddings, but literally everything in the wedding is optional except for the marriage license and whatever other fees your state requires.
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I didn’t mention this in the article, but I *could* pay off the share on my credit card anytime. I have $4500 in my emergency fund. However, I don’t consider a wedding an emergency, so I’m willing to pay a big of a financial penalty in order to have liquidity on hand in the event that something major DOES go wrong.
I know the normal recommendation is to stop the e-fund at $1000 if you still are paying off debt, but 1) it is a point of pride for me that I’ve paid off about $15,000 in consumer debt over the last 4 years without having to touch my e-fund once, and 2) since my husband is essentially an independent contractor with a variable income, $1000 wouldn’t get us very far if he had a slow month. He is having a HECK of a time getting clients to pay their invoices in full every month (something I’d love to blog about in the future!).
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Honey,
Sorry, my emergency fund comment was a reply to Courtney’s “What if your father was on his deathbed” scenario. I would agree that a wedding is not an emergency (and if the wedding is an emergency, then it certainly doesn’t have to be extravagant).
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Re. Honey’s post # 91:
“I know the normal recommendation is to stop the e-fund at $1000 if you still are paying off debt…”
*Is* that the normal recommendation? I know Dave Ramsey advises it, but it’s always seemed somewhat nuts to me. (Suze Orman, for instance, puts more emphasis on building the emergency fund first.) Really, is there anyone here for whom $1000 represents even a month’s worth of expenses? I think having at least 3-4 months of an e-fund should be a priority.
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Well, that isn’t what the topic is here.
What if…….
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I have to try not to be judgmental about what people spend for their weddings. But that’s the thing – I have to try, because judging is the response that comes first and most naturally to me. We did a cruise for our honeymoon as well, but as an entirely separate affair, and did the whole shebang for about half what you paid, while serving 70 guests a full meal at our reception. Even then, it was a lot more than I expected to pay, but we had no debt besides our mortgage and carried no debt – not even for a month – from any wedding-related expenses. We have friends who mentioned at our wedding reception that they were still paying off expenses from their wedding five years prior. I can’t even imagine.
My wedding was important to me, but we never would’ve spent that kind of money if we already had non-mortgage debt, or if it would put us in further debt. That’s not a step I’m willing to take. But that’s me, and the choice you made was different. It doesn’t seem like you did it mindlessly, but instead you actively decided that was a burden you were willing to undertake. And you don’t deserve to be judged for that, I suppose. So I’ll just be over here… trying not to judge.
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I think the comments on this post are going to be interesting
Many of us try not to judge how others spend, and then a PF blogger asks us if we think she’s a fool or a hero for what she spent on her wedding?
I’m just saying it seems kind of backwards to the whole “do what works for you” philosophy of GRS.
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Liked your post Becka. I missed that they carried $5000 of debt from the wedding, which will turn into an expense of $5200 – 5500 if you can pay it off in a year, depending on what kind of interest rate those cards have.
But hey, do what works for you. It’s a great mantra.
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That’s a really good point — this wedding is actually going to cost them a bit more than the $11K mentioned. I’d like to have seen an actual adjusted total after paying the debt off.
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It’s a great idea to track what we pay in interest. I am not sure what my husbands’ credit card rates are, but mine is 7.9%.
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Unless you somehow have completely separate finances that will still be separate in case of divorce or sudden death… perhaps you should find out what those interest rates are.
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Good article. I appreciate that you spelled out the specific details and costs.
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I think it is great to have a writer who is in a debt reduction phase. I myself struggle to keep to the straight and narrow while trying to pay off debt.
I think the best part of this article is how you compromised and determined what costs you both were comfortable incurring.Congratulations and Good Luck!
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OK so here is my outlook on this. I JUST got married this past Saturday. We did the entire traditional wedding. We had 225 guests, got married in a church, and even had our reception at a Country Club! Whoever wrote this article has 0 money management skills. Let me break this down for you all that think you can’t do it– My husband and I make just barely over $100K/year. This article says she makes $40k and her husband is a lawyer so I’m guessing they are making WELL over $100k/yr. Here is a cost of my wedding:
DJ – $1900 ( He was the best DJ ever!!)
Florist – $1730 (Used Blue orchids/white roses)
Limo – $1250 (Rolls Royce Limo!)
Invitations – $1000 (Custom made )
Photo/Video/Photobooth- $4100 (Photobooth was the greatest idea EVER!)
Cake – $650 (Custom made)
Honeymoon – $7100 (Tahiti & Bora Bora)
Church – $500
Country Club Reception for 225 Guests – $18000 (We had filet mignon, crab, chicken marsala w/potatoes, risotto, pasta, asparagus, broccoli buffet–top shelf liquor–2 trayed h’orduerves, 2 butler passed)
My wedding dress- $1700 (Designer Sottero & Midgely)
Centerpieces/Decorations – $300 ( I made everything myself)
Parents Gifts/Bridal Party Gifts – $600
Our wedding total was about $40,000 and it was the best wedding ever. We had so many compliments on everything and people will remember that day forever. Everyone keeps saying they wish it wasn’t over and we could just put that day on repeat. The ONLY thing our parents paid for were their share of guests at the Country Club and my parents paid for my wedding dress. We paid for our share of guests at the country club (about 38% of the cost). Other than that we paid for EVERYTHING else on our own with CASH. As soon as we got engaged (Feb 2011), we started saving as much as possible. We put our tax returns away, any work bonuses, and $250/pay into a wedding savings account. We went into $0 debt for our wedding! We own a house, have student loans, car payments, insurance, gym fees, cell phones, etc. also. We never once didn’t do something we didn’t want to do during this period of planning and saving. We went to Florida, California, and sky diving during our engagement! So for this writer to completely throw her husband’s dream wedding out the window is completely selfish and stubborn. We HAD the dream wedding of a lifetime and I wouldn’t have it any other way! To each your own, but I only plan on getting married once and you only live once–so GO BIG and do it how you want. If you are smart and can manage your money and save a year or so in advance for your dream wedding, it is possible to get it done and not have ANY debt from it! We are proof of it!!!
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It’s nice that you were able to do that, but I’d point out a few things. One, he *was* a lawyer at a firm. She specifically stated he left that position to start his own firm, which is a dicey proposition.
Two, he wanted a huge wedding, she wanted to elope. What they did was compromise, and it’s a little much for you to refer to this as selfish behavior. Marriage is, much of the time, about compromising and reaching a point/conclusion/result that is satisfactory to both.
Aside from the debt, which they seem to have the right approach and attitude toward, to me they seem to be starting out with the right attitude for a solid relationship. Which, in the end, is far more important than the wedding day.
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Sorry, but I don’t consider spending $40G’s as having money management skills either; if you’d finagled this designer-everything list down to a $20k budget I’d be impressed, but as-is who couldn’t replicate the extravagance for $40K? The point of this article is that the author had other things she wanted to spend her thirty-thousand savings on and found a way to do it. If it’s your personal desire to spend outrageous amounts of money on throwing the party of the year, you’re right, GO BIG, but don’t go and say you were totally frugal afterwards and then bash someone who actually was.
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What makes you so sure she has zero money management skills? On what do you base yourself to make this judgement? The woman said she had just paid off a lot of debt and her husband just started a business. She didn’t want a big wedding, she wanted to elope. Instead, she compromised to make her now husband happy. I find that very laudable.
Good for you for your GO BIG wedding, but aren’t you a tad bit judgemental of others?
Besides, for some people GOING SMALL is better! It is all a question of personal preference.
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I think too many people focus on the wedding itself, and don’t think about the responsibilities of being married. It’s not about having a big party; it’s about joining yourself together as husband and wife. We had an inexpensive ceremony–my choice, as my parents were happy to pay for anything I wanted because they dearly loved my husband-to-be and wanted him in the family. I just didn’t think spending a ton of money would make the day more memorable. My wedding day was not the best day of my life–every day I get to spend with my husband is the best day of my life. And I’ve had nearly 30 years of best days.
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YES!!!
If EVER I get married then my thoughts would be exactly like yours.
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Ummm, you spent $18,000 for a dinner. You could have bought a car for that!
Which reminds me of my idiot niece and her $40,000 wedding.
Seven years later, with over $100K income between them, and two kids under the age of two, she moved back closer to her parents.
What have they accomplished in 7 years after the $40k wedding? Nothing. They are renting from mom and dad (who put down the 20%). Walking through their house, their posessions are as follows: the same bed the husband had as a bachelor, a falling apart sofa from his bachelor days, two bedrooms sets for the babies, a dinning room table, old computer and an armchair. Oh, and an IPod for the toddler!
Savings? Nothing. But she had the 40K wedding to show off to her friends.
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God are you spoiled!
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“We own a house, have student loans, car payments, insurance, gym fees, cell phones, etc. also.”
So you have student loan debt and car loan debt, and chose to spend $40,000 on one day instead of paying down that debt?… and you are saying you, not the article writer, have money management skills?
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So glad to hear another woman say that she was pro-elopement & anti big wedding! I am in the same boat you are. I am an only child with just my dad in my immediate family. My boyfriend is from a very large family. Just inviting his aunts, uncles, and cousins would mean 75 people before we even got to someone who mattered to me.
Thankfully, since we’ve waited longer than a lot of my other friends, the weddings after weddings after weddings that we’ve spent spent spent to get to, get presents for, stay for, drink at, eat near, has opened his eyes to what having a wedding REALLY means. He’s slowly but surely coming around!
I appreciate you sharing your story, it was a good read! I think it’s incredibly unfortunate for other people to judge, or try not to judge what other people choose to spend their money on and how they live their lives. Especially when it comes to things like weddings. I, myself, can’t relate to my girlfriends dropping 10s of thousands on 1-day events, but it is their prerogative. At the end of the day, you’re only responsible for yourself and what you do, so why should it be so much skin off you nose? I think it’s admirable that people can hardline on things like this and say, no debt for me whatsoever…but not everyone is like that. Live and let live people!
I too think its valuable to have a writer who isn’t an old pro @ this stuff; brings a fresh perspective.
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“Complete and total fools duped by consumerism and the wedding racket into spending way more than we should have?”
Yup that pretty much sums it up.
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Given I’ve no intention of actually getting married (my other half is happy this way too) I’m surprised I reached the end of the article. But it was well written and didn’t lag like some of the others that have shown up.
More so, there seems like there is a possible re-occuring story here that could show through in future posts. I’d be very interested to see how you justified paying for something like this on a credit card, then again where I’m from credit limits that high on cards are unheard of here. I’ve only gotten to 6% of my gross salary after 10 years of increases!
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10 years ago, I think we spent about $5000. We had it in a church, and the church ladies cooked food my parents bought for the reception. My mom made my bouquet out of fake hydrangea flowers, and I didn’t buy any real flowers. I didn’t have favors either. I spent about $1500 on the photographer and $500 on the cakes. Those are things I don’t think anyone should skimp on. (I live in the rural midwest, so those are nowhere near big city prices.) We had about 7 months between the engagement and wedding, so I’m glad we kept it simple. My parents were in a car wreck the night before the wedding (I missed rehearsal), so I don’t think I could have taken on any more than I did. I was just thankful my family was alive and able to share the day with me.
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I like the candor of this post, and yes, we’ve got to admit that social expectations impact our spending, whether or not we admit it. I recently read that lean times help us focus on our intrinsic worth (the context was the Depression). That is really resonating for me. I’ve been both poor and well-off, and when I was poor I did focus more on intrinsic worth (both of myself, and that of others). And intrinsic worth is a guiding light of my own blog.
Good post, Honey. Hope you make the cut on the audition.
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I like your writing style and this story is very readable, even if it is about weddings (which isn’t something I’ve had to deal with yet, and thus have extraordinarily little patience when people wax on about theirs). So bravo!
I’m a big picture type of person, so it’s always shocking to me when I hear PF bloggers talking about how they saved so much and how great it is….and then you read the story and realize these scenarios only worked b/c a great deal of the true total cost was transferred onto OTHER people. In this case the guests of the wedding, who I presume had to pay for their own cruise tickets (and if not, my bad, I didn’t catch that and way to be so awesomely generous!)
This goes the same for the people who save hundreds on groceries by buying the cheap processed food – the ingredients of which is usually subsidized by tax dollars from everyone else. (yes I’m biased – I can’t eat wheat anyway, and after I discovered this and started reading about our food system, I was actually GLAD that I don’t have to buy those things.)
From one point of view you are saving money – always a good thing, right? From the big picture point of view there’s still alot of money being spent that might not have to be.
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She did address the cost of the cruise for guests – the event was held at port, so guests were able to board for just the wedding and then go their separate ways, though a few friends joined them for the cruise.
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Did anyone think about the fact that the wedding was such a good deal because the cruise line knew they would make a profit off of the couples “guests” who would be willing to pay cruise fare for the trip?
So they got a wedding discount by being a sales assistant for the cruise line.
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Possibly… but the cruise company would have to be prepared to *not* book any additional guests. It would be good business practice to ensure they at least broke even on the ceremony costs.
I don’t think you could treat a cruise ship wedding ceremony as a “loss leader” for cruise passengers!
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“Susan” said: “So they got a wedding discount by being a sales assistant for the cruise line.”
Did they get a discount? I certainly hope so. Anyone with even a tiny bit of imagination can get a discount on a cruise, wedding or no wedding. “Sales assistant”? SO WHAT? IMO, that would have been a smart move. I see no mention of it.
Did Honey and Hubby have to pay extra for the “venue” on the ship? I haven’t noticed any specific sum for that expense, but I could have missed it, along with perhaps other salient “details” left out of this tale. Like the pre-existing $200,000 in student loan debt. Ooops!
Still not impressed.
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DH and I had a destination wedding over twelve years ago and we had 22 friends and relatives go on the cruise too. Honestly, it was not that expensive and I have spent nearly as much on mine and DH week long cruise fare and airfare as I have on airfare and two nights lodging to go to a wedding in
Columbus, OH. Everyone that went went because they wanted to and in this particular case is was not a fincial hardship on anyone except for my aunt (which my mom and dad paid for–way cheaper than paying for a typical wedding).
Anyway when you live in different states as most of your extended family and they all are going to have to travel anyway a destination wedding does not have to be that much more than anything else.
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I suspect the national average on wedding spending is skewed a little high. I would say yours was neither foolish or frugal but right in the middle and a good fit for your situation! We spent about the same amount for our wedding and honeymoon and the only thing we did DIY was the music (kind of like you!). We did make a calculated decision to spend more on our rings. We had a church wedding and hors d’oeuvres and a sit down lunch for about 100 at the local country club (champagne only) and went to Maui for our honeymoon. I feel like I got a better bang for the buck with my wedding but I’m expected to be biased because it was a perfect fit for ME. Hopefully you feel the same about yours!
And add me in to the women who wanted to elope!
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Agreed on the “national average” being too high – there is major selection bias in how theknot and weddingchannel gathered the “data” for the averages. The survey only solicited data from users of the two websites, and used the data people volunteered. This is an average of “people who used theknot or weddingchannel and wanted to share their costs”, not “people who got married”. And while this doesn’t necessarily mean it’s too high, I would hypothesize that the population using these websites is spending more than the “real” average.
Anyway, appreciated this article and this author.
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Oy, wedding articles. Wedding cost comments. Hate to say it, since it was a very nice article, but this kind of stuff is so hackneyed it’s not even worth writing about. Weddings can be expensive. You can choose to go into debt for them, you can choose to spend $100 and then brag about it for 20 years, you can choose to spend within your means (whatever your means are). Who cares?
All that said, hearing from someone actively trying to get out of debt would be a nice change of pace.
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Seriously. I hate when all the “we only spent $100 on our wedding!” people come out of the woodwork to look down on everyone else, and this post was just BEGGING for it. And in my opinion, frugality is just not the primary point of weddings.
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No, taxes and better legal protection is the point of a wedding.
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Health insurance was a big factor in ours!
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+1 for the same-sex marriage debate!
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But…but…I was really looking forward to coming out of the woodwork!
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It’s funny how different people’s definitions of a “frugal” wedding are. To me, I couldn’t bear having a wedding that we didn’t completely pay for ahead of time. When we got married, my husband had been a student for many years and didn’t have any money at all. I basically paid for our wedding and reception then my husband’s parents paid for another reception in his hometown.
I bought my unity candle and wedding invitations at a garage sale (they were the kind of invitations that you print on with your home computer/printer). I bought my wedding dress for $150 off the rack. I have a sapphire wedding ring (which I love). That is all we could afford to pay for. Yet, we are more happily married than ever almost seven years later. I don’t believe in buying/doing things you cannot pay for so carrying debt for a wedding wouldn’t make any sense to me.
However, since it was your money and your wedding it sounds like you did what you thought was best. Everyone has a different idea of how to spend their money and that is how it should be.
Here’s where I have a problem with this article: it certainly doesn’t belong on GRS. She had a wedding she couldn’t afford in a tropical location that I’m sure many other people had to pay to get to whether they wanted to or not. “Destination weddings” are not frugal IMHO- not for yourself and not for others since they also have to pay to get there.
Also, I don’t think it is accurate to categorize your wedding as “frugal” since you had to pay for most of it on your credit card. But, I don’t think it’s foolish either. It’s your money.
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I enjoyed the article but you’re right about the cost to the guests. Being in the “six-eight wedding invites a year” period of life (this IS only a period right?), destination weddings, bach/bachelorette parties, enragement…err…I mean engagement parties, etc. take some of the luster off of these celebrations.
Then again it’s only an invite so you can just say no.
Getting everyone together = amazing
Impoverishing your friends = not amazing
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Yes it is a period. Then there’ll be another one in 10-15 years for their second weddings. Luckily they don’t expect as much the 2nd time around!
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Hopefully you are right!
I almost cringe when I am invited to a wedding these days. I don’t mind getting a gift but often it requires getting a hotel room, travel spending, etc. Sometimes my entire entertainment budget in a given month will be $200 and a single wedding can eat up that month’s budget.
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Don’t forget yet ANOTHER round of weddings – when the children of your nearest and dearest get married, too. Within the last five years, my parents have attended countless weddings as now all of their friends’ kids are getting hitched.
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She didn’t have a “destination wedding” – the event took place on the ship before it left the port in Florida, where their friends and family were already located.
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I reread that part. It sounds like many of the guests still had to travel within Florida…unless they all lived in the same area where the boat was docked.
But you’re right, they would have had to travel to Arizona if they didn’t have it in Florida.
Either way, I still don’t see it as frugal but as someone mentioned before- it is just an invitation so if someone doesn’s want to spend the money, they can always say no.
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One commenter mentioned that a lot of what passes for frugality in events like a wedding involves passing the cost on to other people. It was super important to me that we not do that (any more than a wedding inherently does, anyway).
About 45% of our guests lived within driving distance, about 55% flew. Of the guests who flew, at least three quarters of them would have had to fly no matter where we had the ceremony, as they don’t live in our home state either.
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I certainly understand that you could not pick a location convenient to everyone. My husband and I are from two different states and that is why we chose a small ceremony and two different receptions. Even then, it was impossible to choose a wedding location that wouldn’t require anyone to travel.
However, the original point that I was trying to make is that you had a wedding you could not afford…and I don’t even think you realize it.
You will never “get rich slowly” with this mentality and you can’t possibly be serious about paying off your debt if you are still acquiring it. To me, this story was an attempt to rationalize spending what you could not afford.
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As the one who advocated for an elopement in part because of concern over the finances, I am excruciatingly aware that we couldn’t afford it. However, I also wasn’t willing to let those costs stand in the way of spending the rest of my life with the man I love, especially when he sacrificed just as much as I did compared to his original dream wedding.
Not that it’s any sort of defense, but it was the first time I’d charged something I couldn’t pay off in full the same month in four years (since I started my “real job”) with the exception of the day my cat died. I’ve also told my husband that I’m not putting anything else on my credit card going forward unless I can pay in full. However, when I said that, he replied that he wanted to take a trip to Europe in 2 years. I told him I’d save what I could but couldn’t make any guarantees, which did NOT make him happy.
Yeah, this marriage thing is going to be some work!
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“However, I also wasn’t willing to let those costs stand in the way of spending the rest of my life with the man I love, especially when he sacrificed just as much as I did compared to his original dream wedding.”
Honey, you are in denial. You didn’t have to go into debt to marry your husband. You chose to.
If your husband is truly planning on going to Europe in a few years while you have over 200K of student loans and other debts then you have a tough road ahead of you.
Getting out of debt, staying out of debt, and building wealth require sacrifice and living within your means. Your first plan of action should be getting your new husband on the same page as you. I also suggest that you cut your credit cards up immediately.
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Agreed on all counts, though I will not be cutting up any cards.
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Funny how weddings can be so contentious. My husband and I were in the military. We were very young. Our families lived on the opposite sides of the country. They were immediately opposed to the idea of us getting married, probably because they (collectively) hadn’t even met our intended spouse. So, we didn’t invite ‘em to the wedding and had a military wedding at a military chapel with our military friends in attendance.
Funny thing is is that his siblings (3) and my siblings (2) all stayed home and had traditional weddings with family-approved spouses and every single one of them is divorced and remarried, some multiple times. They were older than we were, too, when they married. So, having pricy weddings with weeping relatives in attendance isn’t absolutely necessary for happy marriages.
If you and the family can afford the cost for a big ol’ party, that’s great! If not, don’t do it.
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She did say that no one had to go on the cruise to come to the wedding — and that Florida was where most of the guests lived anyway. It sounds like the wedding was done on board BEFORE the cruise.
It seems to me that those two things make this wedding equivalent or easier than others for the guests to get to. I don’t really expect a week-long entertainment when I go to a wedding!
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I just want to say that I REALLY like Honey’s article – not because I’m looking at wedding costs (not after 26 years of marriage), but because it is SO REFRESHING to read an article about somebody who is at the beginning of their debt reduction journey coping with real expenses that have to be covered, who doesn’t make a six-figure salary and/or live in rural Podunk where the cost of living is $5/month, and who has to make compromises with someone who isn’t fully on board.
In other words, it’s refreshing to read an article by somebody who isn’t perfect and isn’t showing the rest of the blogosphere that if you just did everything I do, you’d be financially perfect too.
Re: weddings – your One Big Day (at least your 1st wedding) *is* a big deal. As this article and comments point out, it doesn’t mean $20K+, but it does mean that you shouldn’t be ashamed to want something more than a ceremony with the Justice of the Peace and a picnic lunch afterwards. If that *is* all you want, great, more power to you, but it doesn’t mean that’s all you get if you still carry credit card debt.
To me, the big point of the article was how to compromise with somebody who has different views about what’s important to spend money on. I am totally with Honey on this one; like her, my DH thinks nothing’s too extravagent for special occasions and damn the cost. It’s helpful to me to hear there are others like me out there; not every couple is completely in sync on money.
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i’d second that.
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I’m not going to give my overall impression of each candidate for staff writer until the very end. For one thing, I’m reading these as I go along, so haven’t read every article from every candidate. Plus, there were downsides to editing this piece. However, the one thing I really, really liked about this was the honesty and Honey’s willingness to put herself out there when she knew the slings and arrows of criticism would be coming her way. That’s tough to do. Again, not taking a side. There’s lots of good stuff coming. Just liked the honesty.
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“Honestly,” JD? Honey was not honest about the amount of student loan debt she and her husband had. She neglected to mention it at all! I consider that a major factor in the overall picture. $200,000 [TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!] is not a minor figure, regardless of the lower interest rates for this type of loan. I feel sorry for the young people who, more and more often, have to go into debt to earn the degrees required to make a decent living. However, please consider how long it will take to pay off THAT loan. And Honey’s husband wants to take a European vacation? IMO, this marriage is already in trouble. Honey and Hubby never seem to have had a real discussion about their individual financial outlooks. I’m not interested in hearing how this works out for them.
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She has an interesting story, she managed to get over 170 comments (high even for J.D.’s own posts), who knows how many page views, and she got the commenters talking between themselves. All of that must be attractive to the blog ownership. Plus she is in the middle of things, financially- not a frugal master (yet). I think she’s looking good for a writer position. If not here, elsewhere. Good luck Honey!
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I also REALLY liked Honey’s style, not only for its honesty, but the specific details.
And I was surprising myself by article’s end, agreeing with her — that amount, which I normally would have said was excessive, seemed like a more frugal choice. (Well, some of the stuff was still high, like the photographer and invitations.)
I had no idea people could come on board a cruise ship for a wedding — and not have to go on the cruise, as well. If Honey’s SO was insisting on a fancy wedding, it sure makes sense to do it that way, especially since her family and friends lived in Florida.
And that total cost included the honeymoon, which makes her ‘total wedding’ cost at least $3000 less. Not bad for a ‘fahncy’ affair.
Having said that, our wedding was about $2500, back in 1981. We had a big church wedding; Mom made my dress and wedding cake; we did the flowers together (except my bouquet, which was professionally done); my uncles scooped ice cream, wearing straw hats and garters on their sleeves (lots of toppings for sundaes); and we had a barbershop quartet.
Oh, and a blizzard hit the same day. (Dec. 26) Half of our guests never showed up and/or left early because of it. A TON of cake and ice cream left over.
You have to decide these things on your own. We couldn’t afford an engagement ring, so put our money into the best gold rings we could afford. (It seems like an especially smart move now, when gold prices are so high!) I still don’t have one — but our house is paid off and no debts, except for some unforeseen medical expenses. Someday I’ll get it — when we can pay cash for it.
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Thanks! The reason I included the cost of the honeymoon as a “wedding cost” is because it was attached to the venue. If we had gone with another vendor, we could have forgone the honeymoon and put the “savings,” if you can call it that, into the ceremony/reception. However, I don’t think the cruise company would have let us have the wedding on their ship if at least my husband and I weren’t cruising as well!
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We’re in the middle of wedding planning right now – our wedding is in October this year – and while we have made lots of attempts to save money, it’s still racking up to be a HUGE HUGE expense. I’m 40 and never married, and I have a huge family that has had a lot of tragedies in the past few years, so I am very eager to host a really big and wonderful celebration. My future husband has a tiny family, doesn’t like parties, and is divorced, so he’d have been happy to elope, but he is kindly going along with my desire for a big celebration with about 100 guests.
I thought I could keep costs low by cutting out everything that doesn’t matter to us — we’re not 8-year olds, so the idea of party favors for our guests seems ridiculous (and I’ve never really appreciated getting a tulle-covered personalized candle, etc. myself). I can’t remember a single wedding where I said, “I had such a wonderful time because there were beautiful $300 centerpieces on each table!”, so our floral budget is near zero, aside from maybe a bouquet for me. We’re also foregoing having groomsmen or bridesmaids, bachelorette or bachelor’s partyies, or any of that other stuff.
Nevertheless, we’re looking at a total budget of between $20K and $25K. I’m still not sure where we’ll end up because, less than 3 months out, we’re still booking vendors for music, to officiate, and for a cake, and he hasn’t bought his wedding suit yet. We’ve chosen a location 3 hours from the major metropolitan city where we live in order to cut the per-person cost of the reception from $160 to $40, and my naive thought was that that could allow us to keep the total cost under $10,000. But everything adds up – taxes, service charges, chair rental fees, postage, printing, dress alterations, ugh.
I know I could have cut costs by not serving alcohol and having it in a public park or something, but the location, food quality, and availability of booze are important to us.
Still, when I’m clipping coupons to reduce our grocery budget by $5-10, signing a $2000 contract for a photographer (and similar big ticket items) makes me want to throw up. There’s a cognitive disconnect there that I just can’t absorb!
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We are in the same boat.. planning a wedding next year. I thought we could get out for $10-15k, still do something nice but not too big. Well after doing some research and planning that is not going to happen, we’ll be at or above the “national average.”
Part of this is certainly where we live in the northeast, and part of it is social/family expectations. Neither of our families want a pot luck, and they are a big factor whether we like it or not. Also there are tons of small expenses that keep adding up.. clothes, invitations, flowers, on and on. Things we didn’t think about up front. Fortunately for us we CAN afford it if we want to, but it does come at a cost to many other life priorities (new/newer cars, home improvements, vacations, etc).
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My husband and I were in a similar situation last year. Our wedding was in October, and although our venue cost and photographer costs were 1/4 to 1/2 of what is “average,” we still ending up spending more than we initially budgeted for.
Advice: pick a number and then add at least 10% on top.
And, for those folks who are negative on what they perceive to be “destination” weddings, please take a moment and think about how global our society has become. My husband and I got married in California because it was beautiful, the venue was super cheap, and no matter whose “home” town (Albuquerque, NM (me); Philadelphia, PA (him); Washington, DC (us)) we picked to host the wedding, at least 75% of our guests would have had to get on a plane and booked a hotel to our wedding, Oh, and we would have possibly made one family feel like we were favoring the other.
So, go Honey for finding a way to reduce the travel associated costs of her guests, while juggling two very different ideas of “the perfect” wedding.
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I loved your comment too much to just hit the “Like” button. In my family, we only half jokingly say “we’ll come to your wedding and we’ll come to your funeral, but we’d rather come to your wedding.”
One tradition we all love: a casual event the day after the wedding itself. It gives everyone a chance to spend more time together, particularly those who traveled for the wedding. Often the bride and groom have more fun at the “after” party because they have more time to share with their loved ones. Some times it’s a casual breakfast, another time was a family picnic in the park with a trailer grill BBQ (friend of the FOB) and a bouncy house (friend of the groom’s) for the kids.
Weddings are important life milestones. It is OKAY to spend money on them, What is NOT OKAY is to spend money you do not have and cannot afford to spend and have no hope of ever repaying. This does not seem to be the case in yours or Honey’s situation. Three cheers for both of you!
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I actually really like the honesty of this article. The author recognizes that this wasn’t the most frugal choice in the world; however, getting married is a two-person affair. If she had given in to her husband’s vision for the wedding, it would have been significantly more expensive. More than being simply about money, this article shows that many money decisions are often made by multiple people, and thus those decisions sometimes require compromise.
I often wonder how people who are on a journey to financial freedom deal with family members or partners who don’t have the exact same focus; this article did an excellent job of showing an event that required compromise and was realistically relayed (I loved the part about the invitations where you admitted procrastination cost you – and important piece of advice for us all to remember!)
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Ok, so I loved this article. That’s an amazing price for the wedding you had, IMO. This is relevant, because so many people, frugal or not, end up spending a significant chunk of change on their wedding.
I’ve been with my bf for 3 years, and while I love the idea of marrying him, the thought of paying for a wedding gives me major anxiety. I find that some people have such high expectations for other people’s weddings, but then balk at the price. For example, in one recent conversation, “Ugh, they had a DJ? They should have gotten a live band!” And then, 20 seconds later the same person says, “$20,000 for a wedding, that’s insane! I’d never spend that much.” You did a great job finding balance!
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I’d like to compliment you on something unrelated to the money: not ignoring the grooms desires. So much of the wedding planning is skewed towards what the bride wants, sometimes to the exclusion of the groom. It seems to me that much of your post is about compromising dreams as much as keeping costs down.
To me, the cost seems a little high for what looks like 28 guests. We spent about the same amount for 70 guests at our wedding 6 months ago. The in-laws spent about $5,000 (I think) on the open bar which they insisted upon. On the other hand, I got married in rural Minnesota, getting married in a touristy town in FL makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
Additionally, it seems like you’d have less headache, most everything was included. While planning my wedding I realized I *hate* planning for weddings. In my opinion, that’s money well spent.
So after much blathering, I’d almost give you the “frugal” rating–Except that you ended up putting half of it on credit cards, which have a high interest rate. I think that putting off the wedding for 6 months or a year while you saved up to pay for the whole thing would have been a better choice. So give you 60% frugal and 40% foolish.
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The costs she listed included their honeymoon cruise – travel to Florida, the cruise itself, and spending on the ship. So their actual ‘wedding’ was only about $6000.
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Honey has my vote for staff writer.
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We didn’t have a formal wedding because the Mrs. didn’t set it up. It was just easier to go to the courthouse and get it done. We didn’t have much money then and it was a good financial move because we saved up for a house instead. We’ll plan for a nice 20th anniversary party.
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I really enjoyed this article and Honey’s writing style, to hear another perspective on weddings from someone with more GRS values since this is an important topic to me.
I think you are awesome (not heroes) for planning a wedding where you ‘only pay for what is important’ and spending less than the national average. Not fools for being duped by consumerism since you had a fantastic wedding and awesome honeymoon.
This is a similar approach to our wedding in September, which is also long distance (in Michigan where the majority of our family lives while we live and work in Colorado), making DIY difficult, fancy affair (black tie lunch, string quartet, Hors d’oeuvres, and open bar), with a more reasonable guest count (60 guests). We are hovering around $12K wedding + $5K honeymoon (2 weeks in Florence) but we have been saving for over a year (with help from previous GRS articles) and should have little to no wedding debt (as recent university grads with no financial support from family).
Thank you for the article, Honey. It was the most interesting and relevant all week. Best wishes
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My first wedding was about $1500. J.P. married on campus P.S.U. Restaurant with about 30 people there, family doing pics $150 for dress etc.. It was nice and while the marriage didn’t work it wasn’t because of the wedding.
My second wedding was about 4k, nicer restaurant, married outside in historic newcastle delaware, brother in-law was pro-photog, did for cost of film. ($200) Dress again was $150. Restaurant was $2700 with opend bar for $50 people, cello and violin duets $250 for 3 hours, other misc items. Paid on credit card, got reward points, paid off immed. Priceless…….
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In one sense I kind of cringe seeing a wedding article here (even though I’m in the midst of planning my own, somewhat frugal wedding).
But a wedding? Then you get not only your own expectations, but also your partner’s and (possibly) the expectations of parents and parents in law. There’s a lot of very heavy societal expectations, family expectations and it really is a once-in-a-lifetime event. So it’s hard to applaud or judge either way, really.
But to echo above comments, it’s VERY nice to hear from someone who hasn’t got all their financial ducks in a row yet writing here.
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Oh, if people *want* to splurge on a wedding, more power to them.
Regarding expections: Unlike “Adult Student”, I’ve never seen very much critique directed toward expensive weddings, not even from the cheapskates, who think that it isn’t such a big deal that it warrants large festives. On the contrary: It’s usually big-bash-afficionados which can’t stop gabbing about couples that neither party or spend thousands on rings.
And a once-in-a-lifetime event? As someone who lived with his now- wife longer out of wedlock longer than the median length to divorce, I’m a little cynical about the importance of a large wedding w/ regards to the quality of the marriage.
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I was cringing, too. This topic always brings out the inverse snobbery – “Well, I only paid $100 for my wedding and served lentils and water to 200 people and it was great!” It’s just as annoying as “I spent $200,000 for my wedding and served six-course meals for 500 people!”
Couples should do what they can within their budget while having a ceremony and reception that’s true *to them*. That’s the best kind of wedding.
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Agreed! A wedding should be a reflection of the couple.
I’m planning my wedding right now, and all told it will probably end up costing near the national average. Would I like to spend less money? Of course. But there are a couple reasons we are not keeping everything as cheap as possible. First, most of our guests are traveling from out-of-state, so we want to throw them a really great party. I certainly wouldn’t expect them to contribute a potluck after traveling all the way across the country.
Second, there are some elements that we just really want in the wedding, and are willing to pay more for higher quality. For example, we are getting custom wedding bands made by a local designer. As something we will be wearing every day for hopefully many years, they are totally worth the extra cost over what you could find on the internet.
I do grow weary of the pervasive sentiment in the frugal blogosphere that no one should ever spend lots of money on a wedding. If I can afford the things I’m buying, who cares? Isn’t it all about doing what works for me?
And if you are happy with your frugal wedding, kudos to you
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i LOVE this article! my husband and i did something similar – we got married at an all-inclusive resort. it was way more affordable, the staff took care of EVERYTHING so it was infinitely more relaxing for us. and best of all we did not have any debt because of it. i don’t know how couples rationalize a multi-thousand dollar wedding they can’t pay for in cash.
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We got married in Vegas.
I must say however, that each of our 11 guests had to buy a $300-400 plane ticket. I wonder if any of us take our guests’ costs into account?
If we did, we might all do backyard bbqs
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I liked this article just fine, but seriously, how many more of these candidate articles will be posted?
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I dunno, probably a week’s (or two) worth.
Every day I visit GRS and read the title of the article and the first paragraph or so and decide whether I’m going to read the rest. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t. This week hasn’t been any different.
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I got married for the second time in 2000. I lost my job that year and money wasn’t exactly flowing. I had dreams of being married on a beach in Mexico, but instead I got married in my dining room in a $50 dress, taking 12 friends/family out to brunch afterward. We’re still very happily married and have been to the Caribbean and Mexico several times since then, but I always regret that I didn’t have a “real” wedding with at least some of the trimmings. Many of you may choose not to spend a lot on your wedding because it’s not that important to you, but I can understand someone going a little out on a financial limb to make a nice affair. I just attended a wedding over the weekend that cost well over $100,000 (obscene). The next day I attended my friend’s second wedding, which at $8,000 came across as seeming a little cheap (cheese, crackers and fruit for the cocktail hour). To me a little over $11,000 for the wedding and honeymoon seems more than reasonable.
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I think that $11,000 would be reasonable if she had the money to afford it…but she didn’t.
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I think everyone has different priorities.
To Karen, I’m not married yet but if/when I do, I fully plan to renew my vows every five years in fun and different ways. When I was a child, one of my neighbors did this (a Hawaiian renewal once, Elvis 5 years later) and it always struck me as a wonderful tradition and way to strengthen a marriage. I might not have the means to do everything I want right now… but I can wait 5, 10, 20 years . . .
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I have never even HEARD OF a GUY who dreamed about his wedding day! Who knew??
My husband wanted a big fancy wedding with all the trimmings, mostly because he loves a party and has a lot of friends. I’m also in the ‘elope’ camp. I was willing to have an ‘event’ wedding, as long as he did all the planning, but we didn’t have the money for anything big. Still, we are fortunate in our associations; food, flowers, photography, location, rings, ceremony, and most of the wine were offered at no cost to us.
Our main outlay was $500 for a party bus to drive our friends down from the city to the little town where my in-laws live. (The event was held in their spectacular back yard.) It was the best money ever spent; they had a great time on the ride down, and we rode back with them and the leftover wine and champagne. It was an absolute blast, and I highly recommend it.
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That party bus idea is awesome! Filing it away in case my daughters ever decide to get married. Even if they aren’t interested I will get one for my slightly unruly family members.
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I think a cruise wedding is a fantastic idea. I’m so glad you wrote about this because I’d never heard of them. I think because you had already paid off a lt of debt, and you knew what you were getting into, this was worth it. You’ll have those memories forever.
Best wishes!
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I loved this post, probably because I am also in the middle of wedding plans. You did a great job working together to get what you both wanted – it bodes well for your future together!
This is a second marriage for both me and my fiance (we are in our late 40′s and probably much older than the typical reader of this blog) and we both have kids (age range 15 – 23) from previous marriages.
I insisted I wanted a wedding with a reception and all my friends and family there. It was going to be in the local park and really low budget – we budgeted $5000 for EVERYTHING.
Our families would have had to travel great distances to come, and we started feeling like we needed to offer then more for all their efforts. I have 6 siblings with spouses and families – the nearest was a 6 hours drive away and it went sharply up from there. Chris’ family was 2 time zones away. Even though we were only going to invite 50 people, we would have felt we didn’t have time to visit enough with any of them.
A few days ago we had a revelation – why not get away with just our kids and their significant others for a long weekend – we chose Niagara-on-the-Lake because it is only a 4 hour drive from our home.
We are renting all the rooms in a big old B&B and going to take it over – having long luxurious breakfasts together, walking around the village and getting meals out during the day, spending the evening playing board games together.
All the kids are excited – the people we care most about will be there, and it is a way to knit our two families together. We started dating when my oldest was already in college, but the other kids know and like each other, but don’t spend that much time together because they are at their other parent half the time – and when they are home they are out with their friends more than hanging out at home.
This weekend, with all the meals and lodging for 9 people may be close to our budgeted $5,000 but we are so much more excited about it – we are putting our money towards building relationships within our new family, and that is our future togeher.
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Love this article! Honey is definitely someone I’d love to hear from regularly, even though I’m at a completely different place in life than she is.
I find that I’m a “cut everything you don’t care about so you can spend whatever you’d like on the things you do care about” kind of person, but have a great aversion to entrepreneurship. It’s fine for other people but not for me. I think it comes from growing up with a self-employed father who never did quite get his businesses flourishing. I hated the lack of money, having checks he wrote to my high school bounce, avoiding cops because our cars were never inspected, and not having medical or dental insurance (I can’t tell you how much I’ve put into dental work since I’ve been an adult because I never had routine care as a kid). My siblings and I have sought out stability and consistency in our careers and love the “luxury” of always having insurance and always get our cars inspected on time!
We had the best wedding we could afford 20 years ago for about $2,000. There are things I wish I’d done differently (like having a professional photographer), but it worked for us at the time. Our honeymoon was a national collegiate business competition that both of our schools were paying for…and each took home top-10 trophies to boot. We were cheap but we didn’t go into debt.
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Also – I vote for this writer, Honey Smith, to be a new staff writer!!!!
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Well, since you asked.
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It was foolish. It is always foolish to start a marriage off in debt (wow, listen to me, so absolutist).
Personally, I think the “national average” is complete hogwash: a number perpetuated by an industry that wants you to spend more, more, MORE!
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I liked our small $3000 ceremony and reception. Obviously, a cruise wedding sounds awesome too.
I think it is all a matter of priorities. My husband and I wanted to own a home completely mortgage-free by age 30 and be financially independent by age 52. That trumped all else, even our wedding. But if you and your husband enjoyed your cruise wedding and that was a high priority, then kudos to you! Glad you had fun!
In the end, what is important to you?
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It’s so nice to read an article about compromise between spouses. I’m impressed with her admission to feeling resentful of the money she was asked to spend on something that wasn’t important to her. It seems so often in blog land couples are in complete agreement about being frugal on the same things.
I thought the authors writing style was more appealing and easy to read than some of the other applicants. It also might be interesting to have a writer that is new to dealing with combined finances and still paying off debt.
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+1. Everything Jada said.
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A nice, honest account of your actual wedding expenses. I think the most important thing here was the negotiations between you and your fiance. You each had totally different expectations in regard to the “perfect” wedding, and you were able to communicate and each make concessions for the other on what was important.
Congratulations on your wedding, and I look forward to hearing about the budget on your first anniversary.
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I think having at least one how we did our wedding and how we paid for it on GRS once a year hits the right note for me. Like buying a house, car, a wedding requires some thoughtful budgeting to give the couple and family what they need.
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Thank you for an honest article about wedding budgets and the realities that couples face when deciding how to tie the know. It’s lovely if all you both want (and your families are accepting of!) is a super simple ceremony and do it on $100. Good on you! And like others have said – you get to go on bragging about this at cocktail parties and internet discussion boards for all of eternity. Great investment really!
But you know what else is an investment? A celebration that uniquely has the power to bring together families and friends – many of whom will likely never be in the same room at the same time otherwise. Weddings are an important cultural event for a reason and I would argue they are only more important now when families are more far-flung and rarely all together.
This is not to say that weddings are an excuse to be extravagant, but I think that consciously making the decision to spend some money to celebrate this occasion is an important investment in your community and your marriage.
Thank you for acknowledging that – it is refreshing to read.
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Thing is, my friends, my wife’s friends, our parents, siblings, colleagues do not have that much in common. Bringing them together would be for our benefit, not theirs. And we’d have to divide much more time between them than if we’d meet them separately.
It is probably much important for societies with large families or an emphasis on tight family obligations, of course.
Also, bragging about cheap weddings is as annoying as bragging about not having a TV. But also bragging about one’s large wedding or TV is annoying, too. And believe me, hearing about this and that again and again when you’re not in the least interested, sounds a lot like bragging.
See this thread. Most of the „we did this for a couple of hundred bucks“ remarks are perfectly sensible statements of facts. And appropriate, as the article raised the question how people handle their weddings financially.
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I got married a year and a half ago. It was only the second time since I graduated from high school (12 years previously) that all my siblings were together at the same time. I saw aunts/uncles I hadn’t seen in over a decade, and realized that I actually enjoyed their company and wanted to see them again in the near future. The only friends we invited were those that we consider to be like family. With all of us scattered to the four corners, weddings are one of the few times that we can all get together. So yes, getting the community together has a definite value.
So we spent $7500 for about 65 people on the wedding. That was basically for 2 gatherings, as everyone was invited to the rehearsal dinner which was some catered food (plus wine & beer) at a bowling alley. The wedding reception was in the church fellowship hall with an excellent cake, barbecue food (and the “cheap” hors d’oeuvres of cheese, crackers, and fruit). And the DJ and photographer were both shocked at how much fun everyone had at our dry wedding. It didn’t cost the world, but it was important for everyone to get together.
(And yes, there were compromise issues involved here too. The husband wanted everyone to have an “and guest” invite. Dad wanted real plates/silverware rather than disposable, as well as cloth tablecloths and napkins, in order to make it seem like a classier event. But overall, I’m happy that my family and my husband, were happy to just have the opportunity to be together and have fun.)
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I enjoyed this article and I appreciate the honesty. Weddings are a very fraught topic … probably in the top five of things PF-minded people disagree on (others being kids, housing, travel, and education).
To me the event Honey and her hubby put together was probably the best compromise they could have made, in terms of getting the *type* of event he wanted, at a price they could both agree on, that would not be too burdensome on friends and family.
My own wedding came in at around $10,500 and we followed it with a $3500 honeymoon: a week driving up the California coast followed by a week on the Big Island of Hawaii. I would happily have eloped, to him the big wedding was non-negotiable.
In part this was because we were both already into middle age (35 and 41) and there had been, and will be, no other “proper” weddings among our siblings. On my family’s side this was not a big deal, but on HIS family’s side it was a tragedy (that we ended up paying for).
I still have a little grudge over the 80+ guests, many of whom I did not know then and do not know now, but we’ve been married ten years and hey, it was a really nice party.
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I really enjoyed this article! Well done, Honey, for finding the perfect compromise, having a great wedding with family and friends, and a 7-day cruise to some amazing destinations all within an ‘affordable’ budget!!!
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Seems people in the comments keep having to remind themselves of the “do what works for you” mantra of this site. But isn’t it supposed to be “do what works for you… to get out of debt and then get rich slowly”? This article is about how someone who got out of consumer debt managed to get back into it. An interesting read, but not a good fit for this site in my opinion.
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Agree 100%!
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Editors — I agree with other commenters that this site could really use the perspective of someone currently getting out of debt. I would suggest you find someone who is overcoming overwhelming student debt. I’d bet that this would speak to many of your readers, as outstanding student debt is now greater than consumer debt in the US.
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Caro, almost all of our EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT debt is student debt. In the neighborhood of $200K, between the two of us.
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GOOD GRIEF!!!
I believe this is all we need to hear from Honey. Two thumbs down. Wish I had more thumbs.
I do wonder what they’re going to do when the first baby comes along.
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Why do you assume they’re having children?
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To be clear– I don’t “like” that Honey is in debt(!), I like that she has the perspective for which so many commentors are asking– Someone who is fighting her way out of debt!
How fun would it be to follow Honey’s stories about newly-wed life and major debt recovery? I’m just sayin’…
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*ding ding ding*
I don’t think a lot of the negative comments are unnecessarily negative. It’s because it is hard to take financially seriously someone who is financing an elaborate want. I didn’t see the point to comment more of the same, but just heard that *ding ding ding” going off in my head when I read this comment. *This* is where the negativity comes from – the big financial picture of someone who truly believes it was a good idea to jump back into debt for a wedding. The big picture is pretty ugly – really no surprise.
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Yes, but making mistakes is a real part of life and a large portion of the population enjoys reading about real life. (Just look at all those horrible reality shows on tv.) If the only writers on board are perfect in every way, it’s hard for me to relate to them because, guess what? I’m not perfect. I learn more from mistakes than anything else… I would just prefer they be someone else’s mistakes rather than my own!
Here’s my vote to please have one of the staff writers be “not perfect”!
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