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Three years ago, I stopped reading Get Rich Slowly because I just couldn’t read one more article on how to save money by shampooing with baking soda or how to go on a cheap vacation. I was in a panic over my own big question: What do you do when there simply isn’t enough money? What do you do when there’s nothing left over for the emergency fund or, god forbid, an actual emergency?
Things Fall Apart
My finances were very stable until my marriage fell apart. I ran the numbers before the divorce and knew that money would be tight, but the reality was much more bleak than I expected.
I was working full time and making in the mid-40s and my husband made in the mid-20s. I’d fooled myself into thinking that because I made more money than my husband, I’d be able to handle the day-to-day costs. I dared to hope that I might be better off because I would no longer be paying for his bad money habits. I had no car loan, no credit card debt, no student loans. But the fact is that when you build a life for two (or more) on low to modest incomes and one person leaves, you both feel it desperately.
- First, we had an 18 month-old daughter for whom I became the primary care-taker and custodian.
- Second, I remained in the house we had bought together and I paid for it and everything relating to it all by myself.
My budget became so tight that I felt each expense keenly: The regular bills, the rising costs of food, gas, and doctor co-pays.
I performed as many cost-cutting maneuvers as I could: I cancelled cable and the landline, I reused water, I turned down the thermostat, I stopped all non-essential driving, I made my own baby food, stopped eating out, I patched the roof myself and shoveled the snow. And still my income wasn’t enough and every month I spent more than I made.
Because my daughter was still a baby, I didn’t feel I could work a second job at night, but I did wrangle a temporary promotion at work, which helped for few months. I researched state and federal assistance (I didn’t qualify because my salary was too high) and looked into attending divorce support groups (but couldn’t pay for a babysitter).
Here’s where I should note that I did have some reserves in the form of retirement and a small stock investment. If I chose to cash out my stocks, which would have provided only a short-term fix, then I would have paid a significant amount in capital gains on my taxes. So, even though I technically had reserves, they wouldn’t have fixed the problem for very long.
Finally, I freed up some more cash in my paycheck by cutting back on my retirement contributions and asked my parents for a loan. That’s when I could finally hold my own.
So that takes me back to the initial question: What do you do when there is simply not enough money?
Asking for Help
My first action was to ask for help, and I’m fortunate enough that my parents, who live 1200 miles away, could respond with both money and frequent visits.
Also, as a little time passed, I became open to making the big changes. It’s hard to give up your house, your job, and your spouse at the same time. I had to space things out a bit, but in the end those big actions are what finally turned my finances around.
A year after my divorce I accepted a job in another state that paid more money and had a better career ladder. (I did have to return to court mediation to negotiate taking my daughter out of state, but it worked out because the schools are better where I moved.)
The very best thing I did for myself was to sell my house, even in the low market. Gone were the big mortgage payments, the utility bills, the repairs, and a lot of the resentment I felt just walking into those half-empty rooms. Because my husband and I had put down a huge amount of money when we bought the house, I even walked away from closing with a modest check—not everyone would have been so fortunate.
Back on My Feet
Once I stopped bleeding money and could think about it without panicking, I started reading Get Rich Slowly again. I made myself a budget tracking spreadsheet that shows me in a big green box what I have left over at the end of each month instead of what I spent (my format was inspired by a popular tax software). Believe it or not, that simple green box has inspired me to save more than I ever thought I could.
Three years after my divorce, I can finally breathe, financially and mentally. Now, the next stop in my financial journey is learning to balance my money and my life as a single parent, a homeowner, and an active adult.
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Good luck going forward!
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Thanks for sharing your story, Daisy! I’m sure those big changes took a lot of courage to make and you’re an excellent role model for others. Best wishes for the future!
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Excellent post. I often see divorces when one of the couple (usually the female) attempts to hold onto to the house. This is usually at their own financial peril. Thank you for explaining to me the emotional and practical reasons why this occurs. And if there are children involved, I can imagine this makes it even harder to leave a house, since you have good memories attached to the place and also don’t want to uproot them in an already difficult time.
I’m glad you were able to turn things around in only three years. That is pretty impressive. I know people personally who took much longer and really never recovered financially.
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Your story is almost identical to mine. Now, eight years post-divorce, I’m still struggling some, but remember the lean years as a character building time.
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Mine too! Also, it’s been 8 years post divorce for me as well, and I’m still struggling too. (Also going back to college for a second degree).
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I’m at 9 years post separation/divorce and I struggled so much! Now that the youngest has graduated and is going to college, I am feeling the pinch of no child support…but nothing like it was before. I credit that to the hard core learning to live on less.
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Hang in there!!! It’s been 12 years for me and I am FINALLY beginning to feel I am doing well….at age 40, I was dumped after 22 years of marriage with no ‘real’ career, no savings whatsoever, a negative bank balance, no RSP’s (I’m Canadian) or even a pension plan at work. I too, tried to hang on to the Matrimonial home for sentimental reasons and ‘because I didn’t want to uproot the kids’, which was too large and too expensive to upkeep….best first thing I did was sell that house after 2 years of desperately trying to hang on to it and only beating my head nightly against the wall. I bought a very small fixer-upper; now 12 years later I have a good pension plan, have RSPs and TFSA contributions (not huge; but modestly nice) and am going to put my little house on the market in a year or two, now all renovated slowly over time, and ready to go. I stand to make quite a bit when I sell, and then will be able to retire at age 58. Never dreamed this would happen when I was standing in my kitchen 12 years ago, shell-shocked and petrified I was going to be thrown out of my home. So hang in there; try to think with your head and not your broken heart; trust in God and reach out to whoever can lend a hand (and don’t forget to give back when you are able). Things will work out.
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I’m looking at a separation myself, and all your stories are encouraging.
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Congrats on turning your finances around. I’m impressed at your willingness to move. I have moved a lot in my young life, and I have found that most folks are willing to make radical moves. Kudos to you for recognizing that’s what you needed in your situation to make life better for your family. I hope your situation continues to improve going forward.
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Hi Daisy,
I’m glad you’ve managed to get back on your feet! What to do when there isn’t enough money an amazingly difficult thing to decide and to have to live through. I bet that you feel stronger now for your experience though, because it will have allowed you to prioritise and discover what truly matters to you.
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I bet that was a very difficult time and I could see how reading personal finance blogs would just make it more difficult. It sounds like you knew what you were doing though and I’m glad you eventually pulled through. One big change is hard enough but I’m glad you righted your financial ship and are doing well now. Very inspirational for those in similar circumstances! Best of luck to you going forward!
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Dear Daisy–
What a courageous story!
I’m a single person with no children, but, still, I could so relate to your experience–and it made me feel a sense of support out here in the big, ol’ world.
Thank you very much for sharing. And for reminding me that sometimes the best choice is to let go of something that’s going to take you down with it.
All the very best,
jme
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Thank you for sharing your story. I am in a similar place almost 4 years divorced, single parent to children ages 15,11 and 8. I moved across state lines because it was cheaper and because my family is here, but I really cannot move again because my children are doing well and connected to the community and because my ex would give me a difficult time. I think the key for me is to find a new job. The job I have is emotionally draining and I think that has gone a long way to making it difficult for me to make the changes I need to make to be financially stable so I can start reading these blogs again.
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Congratulations on the new job and new life!
And thank you for the tip about the green box on the budget tracker- looking at what you have rather than what you don’t *would* change your mind set and make you look for ways to reinforce it [i.e., saving more in this case].
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Halfway through, I was going to suggest searching for a new job and selling the house. Glad to see you made the best (albeit hardest) decision.
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Daisy, inspirational story and one that mirrors my own. I’m breathing but not comfortably. My ex tried to bring me down in many ways and I’m left with a mortgage that can never be paid off…in my lifetime!
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Maybe having a roommate for awhile would help? I was thinking that Daisy could consider sharing her place until reading that she had taken the bigger step and sold it.
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Daisy, good luck moving forward. I really appreciate your story — sometimes we can cut and cut and cut costs and there really is not enough money to cover basic expenses.
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I, too, was internally yelling, SELL THE HOUSE. Glad to see you are in a better place.
I only hope you were able to move closer to your parents, as their nearness would mean a lot to you and your child.
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We are fortunate to have the sort of support structure such that “not having enough” still never leaves us homeless or hungry, or in this case, doesn’t even force us to sell our investments (aside from the house, I guess).
We can (and arguably should) always strive for better, but it’s important to look at ourselves when we’ve hit “rock bottom” and see just how high we still are compared to the truly unfortunate in the world.
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$40,000 a year salary is hardly “rock bottom” in my opinion…
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Steven, if she was originally living in a high COL area, it might not be rock bottom but it could still be very difficult to find enough to live on.
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Yes, exactly. I used to live in the Washington DC/Northern VA area where a ONE bedroom apartment in some of the outlying suburbs might cost $1500/month, plus utilities. $40K would be too much to be able to qualify for any type of state assistance, but it would not get you very far at all with kids. Especially if you had to pay for daycare (going rate in the DC metro area is about $7/hour per child).
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Full-time day care and a big house payment and utilities could easily eat up $40k a year, especially if you live in an area with a high cost of living. It really puts her at that awkward stage of the “working poor,” where you don’t have enough to live on but too much to get government assistance. I used to think $40k was a lot of money, but it’s all relative.
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In our part of the country, which is far from the highest COL area, 40 grand won’t take you far. My son earns 43, and he pinches every penny to get by. And he has no kids! The price of parenthood is extremely high, no matter where you’re living.
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I live in an average COL area too and I have lived on $40K with a child and it really wasn’t that hard. I wasn’t paying for daycare which is definitely as significant expense, but I just don’t see how people can think of 40K as a sort of poverty line.
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I make under 50,000 and more than 40,000. We have a family of three and live in a moderate COL area. When my husband was unemployed, I crunched the numbers to see how we could manage if he ran out of unemployment (fortunately, he didn’t), and I had to cut things to the bare bones (NO savings) to manage on my salary alone. Sad.
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Daisy, thanks very much for sharing your story. “When There Isn’t Enough” is exactly what we’re going through right now, albeit with different circumstances than yours. Unfortunately selling our house isn’t an option (DH would never agree to it, nor would rent be cheaper), nor do we have relatives to borrow money from to float us through expensive and critical house repairs.
The takeaway I get from your story is that when there isn’t enough, you start with making small changes, as many as you can, until either things improve or your mindset has changed enough to be o.k. with making the big changes. Going back to Honey’s recent story, a lot of the venom she received seemed to be because readers perceived unwillingness to make the small changes that show a change in mindset towards frugality. But I think this is much, much easier to do when it’s just you and not you and a spendy partner.
Good luck with your financial journey, and welcome back to GRS.
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This is one of the best Reader Stories I’ve read at GRS — an honest look at a difficult and common situation. Daisy – I’m glad you came back to reading GRS and are now sharing your story. Hope to hear from you again!
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Thank you for sharing your story! Though I wasn’t in the exact situation you were in, I had my own challenges that brought me to my knees in so many ways. Sometimes I get jaded from hearing all of the financially picture perfect lives and sometimes seemingly smug attitudes from some 20 – 30 somethings here.
Though I am in that age group, life has taught me many lessons early on. Some of it was my own doing (ie. getting married at 20, not making sure I had good health coverage) and there were more than a few I had no control over such as having a chronic illness. There wasn’t and still isn’t anyone to turn to for support so my life involves constantly fearing the worst.
Congratulations for getting back on your feet while having a young child to care for – I can’t imagine how difficult that was. So many people have fell deeper into a hole from using credit cards for everyday expenses and I commend you for not going there.
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Carla,
Having a chronic disease, especially one that impacts your ability to work, is a major bummer and can be life-altering in so many ways. I wish you the best, and best to all who struggle with similar situations.
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I always appreciate what you have to say here, Carla. I second Kris’ comment to you.
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Thank you for sharing this very personal story. Congratulations on getting back on your feet – you’ve set a wonderful example for your child of the power of perseverance!
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Great to hear you’re doing so well these days! However, I am confused by one statement—that you would have had to pay significant capital gains taxes if you had sold the stock. On your stated income of mid-40′s, your adjusted gross income would have qualified you for very low tax rates on your capital gains
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This was a wonderful reader’s story–thank you for sharing it. Congratulations on making some wise decisions and lifting yourself out of the hole.
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It’s great to read some stories on GRS about the money just not being enough. I remember when I was single and sans children…I could live on anything if I really needed to. I would travel a ton and just eat beans and rice until I had more money. It’s totally different when you have kids. The same money just doesn’t go as far. And the quick fixes (I used to take on extra work all the time for extra cash) just don’t work. Priding myself on being a really frugal person, it was a shock when I had kids — and it’s not that I spent a ton of money on them!
Thanks again.
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At $40,000 a year salary, I’m not sure how you weren’t able to make ends meet, especially after you cut back on all non-essentials. Is owning a house THAT expensive?
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If you stick with the rule of a housing expense not being more than 20% of your gross income, she could only spend about $660 a month on a place. That’s pretty cheap living and pretty unrealistic unless you had a partner or roommate to keep expenses down.
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Yes, I’d say that amount of money is unrealistic for a mortgage (or even rent) but if she’s already cut everything else, isn’t it safe to assume (I know…) that she’d have some cash free to make the payment and afford her other bills as well? I mean, $40,000 isn’t a bad salary at all, and I read this article as it wasn’t enough to survive. I’m not sure how anyone couldn’t get by on $40,000 unless they’d put themselves in a financial situation where they were barely making it on both incomes to begin with…aka, living beyond their means.
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There are urban areas where it is difficult if you don’t qualify for Section 8 to find housing of any sort if you make $40,000/year. If she just missed the cut-off, it is quite possible housing can be a struggle.
Surely, Steve, you have been to some of these areas? Or know of them?
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Honestly, I’ve lived in “poverty” for much of my life and don’t earn even a fraction of $40,000 today, yet I’d consider my life to be pretty good. Maybe it’s a matter of perspective about what “enough” means. Or a difference of opinion about wants and needs. Or maybe she lives in a high cost location, daycare sucks up all her extra money, and she has to pay alimony to her ex. Who knows. As I mentioned in other comment, there’s a lot we don’t know…and that makes it difficult for me to understand how $40,000 is “barely making it” when I’m living (pretty well) on far, far less. I’m not trying to be judgemental, just confused…
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Steve, I just looked at your blog and you are a Peace Corps volunteer in Paraguay. Don’t PC volunteers get housing stipends? Maybe it’s been too long since you’ve owned a house that you’ve had to pay for that you’re a little jaded?
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I haven’t left for the Peace Corps yet. I leave in September. Yes, volunteers do get a stipend for housing, but they’re not living in conditions that most people in the United States would be willing to live in. But I’m not sure what your point is in calling me jaded…maybe I don’t understand the word.
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I couldn’t do it on $40k in our current house, with a small child – when my son was 18 months old, we spent $900/mo on daycare (median in this area). Our mortgage on a largish but old house in a working-class neighborhood is $1200/mo including taxes. $40k gives you a take home of about $3000-$3500/mo depending on health insurance and taxes which would have left me with somewhere between -$100 and $400 for food, commuting, and other expenses – lots of people’s car payment would eat that up. And that’s before utilities.
I’ve done the math – if I were single I’d have to downsize drastically and immediately or we’d end up out on the street pretty shortly.
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I’m guessing daycare took a big chunk out of Daisy’s income, even if she got some form of child support from her ex. When I worked at my last office job, I had a similar salary and had TWO small kids in daycare; I don’t know how single parents do it and my hat is off to them, because some months I only had about $100 after paying for daycare. (I have since left that job!) FWIW, I had what was considered “inexpensive” daycare, too.
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I guess I feel like there’s a lot of missing information, which makes it difficult (for me) to understand how it’d be “barely making it” with a $40,000 salary. Do you know what I’d do for that kind of money? (And what I could do WITH that kind of money?) Maybe it’s a regional thing (high cost location) or maybe she’s paying alimony (she did earn more…) *shrugs*
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Do you know how much childcare can cost? It’s very very expensive. I’m guessing you don’t have kids? It’s one thing to be single living on $40k, totally different to have kids and live on $40k.
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I made in the high $50′s, my husband makes in the high $30′s and I am pregnant with our first child. We looked at 4 different daycare facilities last week and I am shocked at the cost. The one that I LOVE and feel totally comfortable with is $220 a week. The one that I feel just so-so about is half that. Daycare can be enormously expensive.
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“I guess I feel like there’s a lot of missing information, which makes it difficult (for me) to understand how it’d be “barely making it” with a $40,000 salary”
I can agree with you that we’re still missing some information – where she lived, daycare costs, etc. If she and her ex had bought an older home, that will suck up a lot of time and money in maintenance. If she and/or her daughter have medical issues, that’ll take up a lot of time, too.
That being said, I stand by my assertion that if you have one – or two, or more – small kids and you’re working full-time, daycare will suck up a good portion of your income.
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$150-200 a week for day care is not unusual. That could be up to 1/4 of her gross salary. Most people I know have house payments of $1,000 a month or more–those two items could make up more than half her income. Obviously she had a house that was affordable when they had two incomes but not so much with only one. But there aren’t any short-term changes you can make in housing…getting a house up for sale takes a lot of work. There is a LOT of stress involved with divorce, especially if you are responsible for a child, and most of us can barely make it from one day to the next emotionally–even without financial stress. I didn’t have any financial worries the first few years after I got divorced (the ex diligently paid child support and alimony), and it was still the most difficult and traumatic thing I’ve ever been through.
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I was curious, so I ran the numbers on how much someone’s in Daisy’s shoes might (theoretically) bring home every month. I used “Arizona” for the state for tax year 2012 (AZ was the first choice; I have no idea where the OP is, and I was feeling lazy and didn’t change the state), named her as head of household, and didn’t do any deductions (I didn’t know what she could be eligible for). Here you go: http://www.adp.com/tools-and-resources/calculators-and-tools/payroll-calculators/salary-paycheck-calculator.aspx
Net pay is $1240 every two weeks, or just under $2,500/month for someone making $40k/year. Let’s say property taxes/mortgage/home insurance were $1,000 all together every month. You have daycare (let’s say that’s $200/week), so that’s $800 per month right there. That means you’ve spent $1,8000 in a month, and that doesn’t include other expenses, like groceries, utilities, clothing*, gas (and car insurance), and home maintenance expenses.
If Daisy’s daughter was in daycare, then she probably had to purchase disposable diapers and wipes. Medical expenses, Internet, etc. – these will quickly eat up any remaining income. In many areas, $40K doesn’t get you very much very far.
*You can usually luck out by buying clothing at garage sales or thrift shops, but you can’t always count on those stores as a reliable supply, especially if you’re looking for something specific in an odd size.
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I wonder how Walmart workers who bring home $400 (if they’re lucky) every two weeks are able to make it work…
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Lots of them qualify for public help, food stamps, subsidized rent, subsidized child care, etc. A lot of our social services are really just subsidies for employers who pay low wages.
The rest pool money with family members or friends, and end up homeless when things go bad personally or job-wise – we used to serve hot food in the shelter overflow line, and most of the guys in line hadn’t made it into the regular homeless shelters because they’d worked all day and missed the signup time.
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“A lot of our social services are really just subsidies for employers who pay low wages.”
But it’s a great thing we have these services for people who need them, and pathetic that full-time employees need to rely on them. This is a problem…but how to fix it?
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Grandparents do the child care. Young single and married parents still live with their parents.
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Earned Income Tax Credit.
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Exactly, Rosa. Food stamps for the working poor are really just another form of corporate welfare, and it just makes me so mad.
Let’s see – how to fix it…..raise the minimum wage to be an actual living wage? Quit saying that corporations will police themselves and that trickle down economics work? That would be a start.
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A lot of them don’t “make it work” on their small Walmart paychecks. A lot of those employees get food stamps and other public benefits because they don’t make enough.
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I’m guessing many of them don’t.
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I stayed home with our son most of time till he was grown up & home schooled him. We made it on less than $17,000 a year bring home. We have always rented & we didn’t receive any govt. assistance. A way for this lady to make it work is to have a woman who has a child also, to move in & share living costs & for them to work different shifts , so can care for the others child when the parent is working. I have known of others who have done this. Be sure to know &trust the person well with your child though.
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When I earned $43,000 working for the state of Arizona, I did not bring home $2500 a month. It was more like $2,000 or $2,200. The 403(b) took 7% of my income; then there were various taxes, health care was $220 a month for ONE person, parking was over $400 a year. Because I was single, my son was grown and on his own, and my house and car were paid for, I could live on it, tho I certainly didn’t live high off the hog. But if I’d had a kid, a mortgage or rent, a car payment? Holy mackerel!
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My house payments alone are about $43,000/year. So no, there’s no way I would be able to keep it on $40k/year.
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I also thought, reflexively, that $40K was a pretty good salary. But I am looking at it from the perspective of a single person. My brother and his wife have two kids in daycare four days a week. They pay $280/week for the two kids, and that’s one of the lower figures I’ve heard.
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Just as an FYI, where I live, you would NEVER EVER EVER be able to survive with a mortgage and daycare costs on $40,000. If you think $40,000 is a decent salary, you must not live in an area that has a high cost of living. Just wanted to throw that out there to anyone on here who is saying she should have been able to make it work. Sometimes I wish there were a magic filter on this site that changed all the figures based on who was reading the article so that you could see it in numbers that relate to the cost of living where you live.
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Thanks so much for sharing, I’m glad things turned around for you. It happened because you made the necessary changes, and that’s something we can all learn from. Great post
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Agree – one of the best stories.
I relate to this so much. My ex and I are now facing paying for college – and what he expects I will pay and how is different than what he thinks – so my budget will have to be rethought. Good luck to you and your daughter – and much happiness, which is why we divorce in the first place.
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This is one of my favorite articles on GRS. I do really enjoy the investing articles too but I too was kind of burnt out with the cutting costs by making your own (fill in the blank). That’s great but being a single parent with joint custody and working full time plus, there doesn’t seem to be enough time to do those things.
I can really relate to this article because I went thru a divorce 2 years ago. Its kind of switched because I kept the house. And I understand how hard it would be to have to give up the house and find a new job when you getting divorce. You just want something in your life to be stable, something you can count on. I was fortunate to be able to stay in the house but money was really tight for a year or so after the divorce.
I commend you for having the courage to find a better job and improve your living situation. Its a true testament to your character and determination.
Good luck with everything moving forward!
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You didn’t want to dip into your stocks or retirement accounts, but you took money from your parents?
Come on, Daisy, that isn’t how adults solve their problems.
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She said she took a loan from them. I’m assuming with plans to pay them back. I would recommend this option over dipping into retirement savings!
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Definitely. I think Daisy is fortunate that her parents were able and willing to help when she needed it, and have no doubt that clearing that debt was a top priority for her.
Dipping into retirement funds for a short-term need would have been very much less intelligent than using her own support network.
Saying adults don’t ask their parents for help is pretty much a slap in the face for the thousands of post-college young adults who are still living with their parents, or moving back in with their parents. Would it be “more adult” for all these broke, underemployed people to be living four to a bedroom in an apartment?
My parents helped my sister buy her first house. They pitched in a little money for my wedding. They paid for our college educations. We were legally adults when all that happened.
Maybe that comment was from someone who never needed help, or whose parents couldn’t – or wouldn’t – have provided it if asked, or whose pride was so great that making a big financial mistake was preferable to asking for help when needed.
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I hope that some day we are doing well enough to help our children when they are adults. While I hope they never have to deal with a divorce, I would be happy to help them get on their feet if they did.
Now if they are making poor financial decisions and then ask to be bailed out, that is a different thing entirely. But health problems, divorce, unemployment? You bet I would help.
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Adults have been getting help from their families, especially their parents, since essentially the beginning of human history. Dig back into your own family history and you will likely find older adults providing child care, housing, cash assistance, and other help to their adult children. The entire point of bridal and baby showers used to be transferring wealth from the old to the young.
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I have to congratulate you for your courage. Sometimes it might seem easier to stay in a destructive relationship because of finances. I hope more people in a difficult relationship read your article and see that there is a way out to the other side. Best of luck going forward.
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What a great story, thanks for sharing it with us. I wish you all the best in your new life with your daughter.
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I just really appreciate hearing your story. So many times I’ve said, “How can you manage your money when you don’t HAVE any?!” I’ve been fortunate to have an ex-husband who pays his child support diligently (when we divorced, he made $120k and I was a SAHM), but as an underemployed public school teacher who will lose a big chunk of child support (but not a big chunk of expenses) when my son graduates this year, it’s always a stretch. Teachers in our area make about $40k after a few years of work, and I don’t know how anyone lives on that. Most are married with a spouse who works or they take extra jobs in the summer and/or during the school year.
As I mentioned in a previous comment, divorce is extremely traumatic, and even without financial worries, it was the most difficult thing I’ve ever been through. The emotions were so intense, your hopes and dreams and plans all shattered, and you can barely take care of yourself but are responsible for children, too. I agree that sometimes you just need to get yourself in a better place emotionally and take those big changes one at a time over time. My ex took over the house and oversized payment (with an agreement to give me half of the equity at a later time), and I took the kids to move back home to another state. That eased up a lot of pressure on me and allowed me time to heal emotionally with a good support system. Every situation is different, but divorce is always hard on the finances.
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Daisy, I’m impressed at how you were able to learn “on your feet”. Even though there was some stumbling and some miscalculating (there always is!), you were determined to figure a way to get the finances under control. It took a lot of courage to sell the house and move. And I almost cheered when you left the retirement plan alone … cashing it in and paying up to 40-50% in taxes and penalties would have been a huge financial mistake (I see it all the time in my practice!) Best of all, you’ve learned some well-earned lessons and I’m betting you will be much stronger financially in the future because of it.
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Very well written article on a very real consequence of going through a divorce–most people don’t think about that when they start building a life for 2. I’m glad you had your wits about you to take life in stride and do the best you could and be willing to know when to ask for help for your daughter’s sake. Good luck going forward as well.
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Just reading your story made my chest tighten in discomfort — so glad you have breathing room, now. Don’t give the green box too much credit, you did this all on your own!
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One of the BEST HONEST and BELIEVABLE stories that touched my heart……Thank you for sharing and working so diligently through the challenges to finally come out and smell like a beautiful lotus. It is really great that you have gotten back on track, and it was really a smart thing to learn to do things without buying it from Costco or Walmart, and also giving up on the non-essentials like Cable.
We have done a lot of the things that you talk about, and even after being financially free, we are continuing to do a lot of things by ourselves (in-sourcing is a new millenia word for it). This saves us a lot of money, esp. the larger paycheck with the smaller one paying for the annual expense.
We now have rental homes also.
Why is this relevant? Cause, you have been through it and know the value of money. We know it cause that is how we were raised by parents from the depression era, and of course, our methods are working well with people now, such as ordering water with our meals (since 1980!!!!!), cooking our own foods starting from grains, eating out as a celebration instead of being lazy in cooking, avoiding meat as much as possible (since 1980!) etc.
Wish you the best, and hope you continue on your quest as a habit (like we do), instead of a ‘forced to do so’. This will allow you to buy a condo for cash in the future (as we have done for our kids), and do things that will make you Financially free.
Please take my own examples as a sample of small success that you will see in 10-20-30 years (for example when you pack your own lunch to work for many decades) besides the other ideas above. Recession and depression changes people, but why were we spending frivolously in the first place!
Kenny
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It’s great that you’re doing well now!
But can I ask why after 1 or 2 months of struggling to make ends meet, you did not immediately sell the house and move into a place with rent you could easily afford?
Seems to me like that would have fixed everything without all the struggling/asking for help/cutting down etc .. 40K per year should be more than enough, I live on 1/4th of that (no kids though).
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I got divorced after 20 years of marriage and 3 kids and saw my “family” income (my ex-husband made a lot more than me) go down drastically. In time I too sold the house, moved into a small apartment, etc. but if you are freshly divorced you need to give yourself time to make all these changes.
Too many changes at once during an already emotionally difficult time is just too hard. Its hard the sell the house when you can barely get out of bed and have trouble concentrating at work – it’s a struggle just to hang on and get though the day. I felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me and lived in a kind of fog where I just could not see any future at all a good 18 months or more.
Be kind to yourself – you need to get your emotional bearings and take care of your mental health. Then, from a position of strength you can make the tough decisions.
You are doing great!
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Is it too late to make Daisy a regular contributor? I think she’d bring value to the site.
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This is a great cautionary tale against having kids (or, at least, not having them with the wrong partner). Without the kid, Daisy would’ve been fine. $3,000/month is plenty for one person. I’m glad to see her getting her feet back under her, and I hope “Dad” is being forced to pay appropriate child support.
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But Kevin, if you marry someone, I think you already assumed that person is going to be a the right partner to parent with. Its not like they were conceived via one-night-stand.
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Carla, I’d like to believe that, and I certainly feel that way about my own wife, but having seen several of my friends and relatives go through messy divorces after literally only a few months of being married, I can’t help feeling that deep down, on some level, those people KNEW it wasn’t going to work out, but went ahead with it anyway.
Maybe they hoped it would get better, or they felt their biological clock ticking, or they were simply “comfortable” and thought that was as good as it is supposed to get, but in each case, I feel that surely they must have had some sort of inkling that it wasn’t going to work out. I suspect a lot of couples end up going down this path, and many of them have kids before finally admitting the mistake they’ve made.
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I’ve been married for almost two decades, and I thought things were getting better when my husband blindsided me by asking for divorce. I certainly feel stupid as hell, but thanks for emphasizing that everyone else is going to feel that way about me too.
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I don’t have much to say, except this is a great post, and more like this would be welcome.
The big changes (downgrading housing, car, etc.) are usually the ones that really get you ahead. However, they are the hardest ones to commit to and they can certainly affect daily quality of life, so the decision to make the trade-off is very difficult.
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I’d love to hear more posts like this. We live in a very high cost of living area (California Bay Area) and there isn’t enough money left over to save anything. (In fact, we’re usually under each month.) Please continue these kinds of posts. We don’t have a mortgage so selling a house isn’t an option, and we live in a fairly cheap place for our location. Just nice to have encouragement from other people in the same situation.
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Thanks for sharing your story. I really liked this post.
No doubt your strength was being able to see change had to be made and doing something about it! I see a lot of denial when it comes to divorce and other changes in circumstances (the housing market, in particular – a lot of emotional people trying to hang on to *impossible* mortgages). The sooner you get practical and *move on* the easier it is to move forward. Kudos to you.
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Thank you so much. I agree with the other posters – what a tough journey, and what a great “ending” to the story. So very very glad for you, and impressed with your courage, commitment, and intelligence.
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Thank you for sharing. One thing I’d like to mention – couples should evaluate their committment before having a child. To separate so soon after a child is born is indeed a precursor for financial difficulty with long lasting effects. There ought to be a law against abandoning a child so early when the fiscal and physical security of the child is so important. I do hope that your ex-husband is fulfilling his obligation to you and his child.
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I find it a little amusing to speculate how “Wal-Mart workers who make $400 a month” get by. Why not ASK them?
I did work at Wal-Mart for a few years, and made slightly more than $400 monthly. Husband was a school bus driver, whose income was about $19,000. (Now THOSE are the low-paid people, especially considering the job they do.)
This was in one of the highest-income counties in Colorado…and the U.S.
We didn’t get food stamps. (We did, however, qualify for free lunches for our daughters at school. They were embarrassed to do so, but would use them, on occasion.)
I took advantage of every sale there was, food-wise. We had our own garden. Used the Share Colorado program. (Where you could get a lot of fruits and veggies and some meat for a set amount each month…it’s defunct right now here, but active elsewhere.) Husband is a hunter, so we got some meat that way, as well. Going out to eat was a treat.
Our vacations were camping, or going to see family. We did save up for a few vacations to Mexico, and found bargain fares.
We used the thrift shop A LOT. For a few years there, Christmas presents pretty much came from there, as well. (And it wasn’t ‘worn out,’ either. A lot of new high-quality stuff shows up at the thrift shop, if you look!) Clothing for all of us came from there, too.
We owned our home. As I remember, the mortgage was in the $750/mo level, which took a huge chunk of our income. But we made up for it by cutting way back in other expenses.
Most of the other Wally people I knew back then were renting. They generally shared households with a partner, who was also working. (Sometimes also at Wal-Mart.) Most of these people made considerably more than I did. (If you work there for a while, you DO get raises, you know…)
After a while, the business I’d started made more than the Wally income, working less hours. I took a furlough, then quit altogether. Husband got a few raises, as well. But we continued to live on less than $30,000 until just recently.
Even in expensive areas, it can be done. I suspect that a lot of us could live on less than we think…if we were forced to! That’s the power of this story.
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I guess “expensive area” is a relative term. Where I live (SF Bay Aea) you cannot even rent a 1 BR apt in a bad area for $750/mo. For a mortgage, when we bought there was literally nothing under $400k and no single-family homes for under $600k. I’m not talking about anything fancy — just 2 or 3 bedrooms, 1000-1200 sq feet. For a decent (not great) school district, you’re looking at over $700k.
I was talking to my children’s babysitter the other day. She just graduated from college and is looking for her first apartment. She can’t find anything under $1500/mo (for a 1 BR).
So…there’s expensive, and then there’s EXPENSIVE. It would be extremely difficult to live with childcare costs on $40,000 per year where I live, and with a mortgage — no way.
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That’s why I left the Bay Area 3 years ago. Its my home – I was born and raised there, but I could no longer comfortably afford to stay at “home”.
Portland, OR isn’t the cheapest place to live, but you have less “hidden” cost-of-living expenses such as insane auto registration (~$45/every 2 years vs hundreds of dollars every year in CA), high sales taxes, high taxes and fees to run a business, etc.
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