In Search of a Financial Theory of Everything
Published on - August 6th, 2012 (Modified on - September 10th, 2012) (by El Nerdo) This article is the first from new staff writer El Nerdo.
First things first (and I try to be organized that way): I think my first “official” post for GRS should be a sort of statement of purpose, an outline of what I’ll be trying to accomplish here, as a kind of introduction of things to come.
It makes sense as part of the job interview process that I should answer such classic questions as: “What can you bring to our organization?” Or, “Where do you see yourself five years from now?” I really believe that GRS readers got me this job, and I feel I owe you those explanations, even after having been hired. Please don’t be afraid, I’m not going to ramble about myself until your phone suddenly wakes you up a half-hour later. I’m actually trying to write something useful.
Let’s start by making something clear: I’m not here to dance for the money. I’m here on a mission! Almost like the Blues Brothers. The way I see it, I’m getting paid to research and to learn about something that interests me. And as I discover and learn new things, I will do my best to share these things with you.
However, it has to be said, I learn a lot from you, and everyone here could school me on a huge number of subjects. In fact, I have learned more from you than from reading a bunch of books. So, how can I avoid becoming an echo chamber that simply regurgitates your ideas?
I have a plan for that, and I’m asking for your help. But first, a little background information so you understand where I’m coming from.
The Cause
I’ve been broke for most of my adult existence, and I’ve only started to dig myself out of the hole in the past two or three years by applying some basic principles that are easy to follow. Let me emphasize this: simple and easy to follow, such as “spend less than you earn” and “debt is a deadly plague.” Yes, that simple. When you’re in an emergency, simplicity works.
Before I discovered simplicity, I used to have a lot of clever ideas. And my cleverness got me into trouble. One of the ways I was clever was that I always pushed things back so I could enjoy them today but pay for them tomorrow. The future would always be brighter and I would always be able to pay.
I remember calling the credit card company whenever I got a raise at work: “hey, I got a $10,000 raise on my yearly salary today, so I’d like to increase my limit,” “sure sir, let me look into that.” Ayayay…
Trouble ensued, of course, in spite of my cleverness. The way I see it, I didn’t get in trouble because I wanted to be broke. It’s like that truism that no child ever says: “when I grow up I want to be a drug addict.”
In my case, I can tell you that I was full of good intentions, that I wanted to prosper, and that fortunately I’m not an addict, but I was extremely ignorant about money. I really knew nothing about it and I didn’t know how to control it. And money, powerful force that it is, took control of my life instead, and nearly destroyed me. Just like, you know—fire.
When I say I was ignorant about money I don’t mean that I didn’t get the math. I love math. Math is simple and beautiful, clear, elegant, and value-free. Money on the other hand is complicated, laden with conflicting values, charged with emotions, and it smells. I always got math. I just didn’t get money.
Today, in spite of my dark past, I feel in pretty good control of my finances. I’ve read books, I’ve paid attention to money, and I’ve been following GRS for the past couple of years. In that time I’ve learned a few useful things, simple and basic things that work and require no great cleverness.
For example, I’ve learned that money is not intrinsically “bad,” that it’s not base or vulgar to pay attention to it, that the world owes me only what the market is willing to pay for my services, and that I need to spend less than I make every day instead of gambling that my ever-prosperous tomorrow will pay for today’s bills.
Today I have a little emergency fund. I’m repairing what’s broken and I’m paying the taxman. And I’ve started to focus on making more money: small steps right now, like charging more for my services, and taking a side gig (this one at GRS, for starters). I’ll get better as I go. So now I’m getting rich slowly, I suppose. Very, very slowly! I own practically nothing today, but compared to what it feels to be in the hole, as I was before, there’s a world of difference.
And how did I do this? With your help, of course, and the help of others. By reading and thinking and writing about personal finance every day, I’ve acquired basic knowledge that dispelled old damaging illusions and has allowed me to get my house in order. Now I think I’m ready for the next step.
The State of our Knowledge
The problem, as I see it, is that we have all kinds of ad-hoc financial advice out there, but we have no theory to test things against, and no real basic principles, so the advice we get is often contradictory. I used to drive my wife crazy trying to follow one financial guru after another.
Of course the experts will disagree among them, but sometimes writers contradict themselves, often through no fault of their own because they are working with useful pieces of information that happen to contradict each other.
As you know I’m a loyal GRS reader, so I remember this post from J.D. last New Year’s Day. I really loved it, and I added the link to my GTD with the note: “adopt financial blueprint for the year”. However, as much as I vouch for it, I still can find contradictory information in it. It’s not J.D’s fault, it’s just the nature of the subject.
If you look there, step 2 is tracking every penny you spend, and the article suggests many ways to do that. So far, most of us agree this is a good thing. Step 3 then recommends that you adopt a budget, and suggests Elizabeth Warren’s Balanced Money Formula. Here’s the thing though: Warren is adamantly against tracking every penny. She considers it impractical, a nuisance, and a waste of time that discourages people. So, what is it? To track or not to track, that is the question!
The way I’m trying to describe things, again, I am convinced this isn’t anybody’s fault: J.D. prospered by tracking his pennies, so he stands behind that. And Elizabeth Warren is great as well, so why not recommend her. But the two systems don’t connect. And for now, until we have a theory that explains all things PF, that’s acceptable — as long as can we manage to prosper in spite of the disconnect.
The Uncertainty Principle
The world of personal finance is rife with contradictions because it’s not based on hard data, and there are very few overarching principles that most of us can agree upon.
I have no problem with a situational approach if it works, but the thing is, in other areas of life we have things figured out a little better — or at least we’re pretending more intently, like when we calculate the mechanical energy of an object in motion given its mass and speed, or when lawyers discuss whether a law is constitutional or not.
In personal finance we don’t seem to have a lot of foundational concepts, the way Newtonian mechanics has its three laws, or chemistry has the periodic table of elements. Finance is a subject intricate enough; add the personal element and it can soon become a free-for-all, even outright quackery (et tu, Suze…).
The problem is that knowledge is a tough business. Even in the hard sciences, which by comparison deal with very simple phenomena, we have to make do with incomplete explanations: Newtonian laws don’t apply to very high speeds, nor to very small distances, so we had to come up with other theories to deal with those things.
And now the problem is, those two other theories (relativity and quantum mechanics) don’t connect with each other, and physics, in spite of all its recent discoveries, still doesn’t have a Theory of Everything to explain the physical world (it also has a bunch of other big, unsolved questions).
I Know One Thing — That I Know Nothing
Human life is much more complex than the stuff of physics, and is infinitely more contradictory. For example, we lack anything even remotely close to a “moral science” that could predict (every time, with statistical certainty, and deducted from its basic principles) what is the right decision in each situation. Some people have tried to come up with such solutions, but this usually involves either infinite hairsplitting or outright brainwashing (“What did you say you put in this Kool-Aid, exactly?”).
However, in spite of the limits of our understanding, we desperately need rational, sensible, actionable knowledge in order to make the right decisions. And the more fragmented, chaotic, uncertain and contradictory our information, the harder it is to learn anything from it, and the easier it is for people to engage in irrational, self-destructive behavior.
J.D. wrote at the end of last year that financial literacy solves nothing, because our problems are behavioral. He further went ahead and introduced the notion of behavioral finance, and made a critique of consumerism. I agree with him from that perspective, but I’ve also come to realize that understanding money requires more than understanding the math, and that there’s more to it than mere behavior.
Financial literacy, if we are to define it as the basic understanding of money, requires an understanding of the philosophical, psychological, social, and even spiritual aspects of money in our lives—in addition to the math. To steal an expression from the late Steve Jobs: Personal finance is a liberal art.
My GRS Quest
Obviously there can’t be a Theory of Everything in personal finance, so it should be clear by now that the title was meant humorously. Even if we could all agree on something as basic as “spend less than you earn,” someone would come up with a case where some outlier just happened to spend more than they earned and somehow got rich anyway and lived the dream and died before blowing through their piles of money and/or debt—and our axiom would be instantly demolished. And because of this, we cannot expect to approach personal finance the way we approach hard science.
Still, for all the diversity of information and contradiction out there, I want my project to be one of connecting the dots, of seeking basic principles and distilling ideas, and of finding ways to relate them coherently, so that others can learn and understand and put ideas to practice without getting confused in the process.
I also want to avoid, if possible, the fundamentalism of oversimplification. Sometimes oversimplification can get us out of trouble, and this can give it a place in our lives, especially in times of emergency. E.g.: “When you hear this alarm, exit the building.” No ifs, ands, or buts.
Reading Dave Ramsey a couple of years ago was very good for me in a financial crisis. It provided me with an easy way to approach things and to avoid rationalizations. However, while it was good in an emergency, it become too rigid a model when the emergency had passed. It was the fundamentalist approach to financial recovery, if you will.
And life is, after all, a complex affair; we need mental models that can deal with such complexity, and deal with it realistically — because complexity should not be an excuse for the rationalization of self-destructive behaviors.
I suppose what I’m after these days is not an easily marketable “recipe for success,” or a reproducible program of some kind, but rather I’m after some sort of “philosophy of prosperity,” if I dare call it that. Of course it would be mad ambition if I considered this to be a final, achievable goal; but the way I see it, this is just as a direction of travel, a point in the compass.
Anyway, I might have managed to connect a few dots and distill one useful idea for you today, after all. The idea is simply that approaching personal finance as a liberal art might help us get a better grasp of this stubbornly irreducible subject. And that’s what I intend to do here at GRS.
So this is what I bring to the organization, my dear readers: a love of complexity and a thirst for coherence. And as I begin my work here, I ask you to kindly assist me in my travels (or troubles!) and continue sharing with me the things you know, and challenging me, as you always have.
Oh, and to the question “Where do you see yourself five years from now?” my answer is: sitting on a huge pile of money, of course! (Fingers crossed, my friends, fingers crossed…)
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Great to see you bagging the job. just an honest feedback, you wasted too many words to prove a simple point. Anyway, we all have very high hope from you. Keep Wow’ing us!
I also refer to JD’s new year post at times, also GRS about page has a few simple fundamentals, if you want.
Oh BTW, asking for credit limit increase actually is good for your credit utilization and hence, the score. Only, using the card to the limit or near to it is bad.
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Thanks, my problem is both JD’s New Year and various fundamentals posts are contradictory, incomplete, etc., for reasons explained in my tome above, which is why I want to work on pulling things together.
And yes, I used the upper limits to *buy more things*. Fact is, the nice watch didn’t “advance my career”. Ha ha ha.
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Are you sure, it didn’t?
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The biggest reason things are so contradictory are that everyones goals are in different places. Even your own goals move over time. JD has explained the concept of how rich means different things to different people at different times, which in itself explains how both articles can be correct while they are written, but not so when viewed together at a later date. What works now might not work later, same as what works for you might not work for me. Leads to the axiom of do what works.
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Congratulations on the new gig! While it may seem obvious to some, pointing out that personal finance is not black and white or one size fits all is an excellent place to start!
Wishing you success and prosperity!
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Math is simple and beautiful, clear, elegant, and value-free. Money on the other hand is complicated, laden with conflicting values, charged with emotions, and it smells. I always got math. I just didn’t get money.
Oh, this resonates…
philosophy of prosperity
And this is what really made me perk up
Prosperity is a great concept which goes far wider than money matters, and I’m curious how you will connect your dots towards this.
Looking forward to your next entries!
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I love that line too
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Huh?
Just kidding, I like your work. But some feedback. Simplicity is king, in concepts, in money, objects, priorities etc.
Really enjoyed hearing more about your background and looking forward to your next post.
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If this is any indication of what future posts are going to be like, then the GRS community is in for a treat. This was a great way to start things out!
I’m an accountant by profession… very number oriented, very logical, very rules-oriented. But personal finance is so much more involved than that, because you’re adding in the human element. What works for some people doesn’t work as well for others, though I agree there are some basic principles that most everyone agrees on.
I’m looking forward to reading more!
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A treat indeed! A kind of Socratic dialogue.
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I’m glad you guys liked it, and it’s feels good to be understood, though in the future I’ll try to balance the pursuit of “big ideas” with the concision required of the blog format (but no worries, I won’t do “PF-lite”).
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How about “personal finance for smart people” a la Pavlina? Cuz 2 many wrds r hrd.
Anyhoo – would like to see a post on your thoughts on the following:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-science-willpower/201111/3-brain-hacks-avoid-impulse-purchases-youll-later-regret
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“smell a fish”, I love it!
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Congrats on the new assignment and on turning the corner!
As for the formula: as I’ve come to know it, personal finance consists of four pillars, each only two words:
1. Earn more
2. Spend less
3. Kill debt
4. Invest more
To that I add the fifth dimension:
5. Know when
(as in: know when to buy or not to buy)
Did I miss anything?
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Thanks William! That’s a great summary. I thought of starting with something like that, but then I realized it’s hard to agree even on the most basic things, which is why I wrote the thing.
For example, I’d reformulate your points 1 & 2 like this:
Earn better – (because how you earn counts perhaps more than how much).
Spend better – (because less isn’t always more and life is too short to drink cheap beer?).
This because of the “values” thing we often discuss here–how much time you want to spend at work, being able to spend on things that matter to you, etc.
And while I want to kill all debt, sometimes some debt would seem to make sense. Bottomed-out home prices and mortgages with interest rates around 3%? I don’t want / can’t have one right now, but mang… it makes one think.
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Well said! There is no single formula for anything in life, because it comes down to what you said: values. Jamie Dimon and Donald Trump have several hundred million to their names, but their values are different from most of us. And those values determine our choices.
Because in the end, that’s what it all comes down to: choices. Make good choices, even if they are a little tough in the short term.
Oh, and about that house purchase: easy credit shouldn’t be the reason to buy. Just ask the 25% of all homeowners who owe more than their houses are worth!
The key to success is the first part of what you said: recession priced houses. At almost any interest rate, those are good buys.
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Or J. P. Getty’s simple formula:
“Rise early, work late, strike oil.”
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You missed my favorite:
Buy low.
Sell high.
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I think #5 is perfect on it’s own. Know When. When to spend, when to save, when invest, when to earn, when to splurge, etc. I think you have found then philosophy of prosperity with just those two words.
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I love the comparison to physics and searching for a GUT (grand unified theory) of personal finance.
I tend to look at personal finance as a huge multivariate system where so many of the variables are deeply personal (ethics, values, priorities, etc), that a GUT is unlikely to be found. I like to think of personal finance as looking for local minima and maxima to optimize a given situation that don’t upset the rest of the equation. And those optimizations can change from day to day, because sometimes it’s just how you FEEL. (I could go on about why I think values and ethics don’t represent continuous variables, but that might just be a bit too nerdy for this forum.)
Anyhow, thanks for letting me geek out with some math for a minute. And good luck in your search for a more unified theory of personal finance!
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Oh, come on, don’t tease–please nerd it up! One thing I’ve learned is that the GRS community as a whole isn’t afraid of ideas. I for one would love to hear about it.
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me too!!
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Me too! You’re teasing us
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Why can’t we just treat it as behavioral science and don’t just look for a common equation. We know scientists haven’t yet proven the fact that E=MC2 is the mother of all equation although the general belief is for that.
We can attempt to find a common definition of personal finance, but, will that make us better at it?
Lately I have been attending many leadership classes, but, none of the definition is going to make me a good leader. I started doubting if it is at all necessary to get leadership education to be a good leader. But the authors who tried to write books on leadership surely got rich selling them.
A book “The science and anatomy of personal finance” would be a big seller I guess.
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On the tracking every penny. I’m of two minds on this one.
I think tracking every penny by hand or app for a particular time period, i.e. a month, is a very useful process. Like tracking what you eat, you will be blown away by seeing how much money is flowing out every day. I think tracking those pennies is an important step when coming to terms with one’s finances.
After you’ve got your finances and debts in order, I think tracking continues to be a useful and important tool. Otherwise, how to you know whether you are sticking with your budget, your spending plan, etc. How do you go with a balanced money formula if you are not keeping track of your spending.
However, I agree that you don’t need to track by hand each penny once you have had your financial reckoning. We download our debit card transactions from our bank website directly in Quicken. Even though we’ve generally got our finances in good order, those Quicken monthly charts sometimes shock me into submission when I see how much we have spent on eating out or on entertainment.
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I agree with Sam in comment #8. It’s useful to track your pennies, when you first start the financial journey, as a way of providing a baseline, and a snapshot of where you’re going off the rails (too much eating out? Or truly not enough income?)
The caveat I’d offer is that you’ll also need to look at your ANNUAL expenses, something a one month tracking experiment will not do.
We didn’t start making serious traction on our financial goals until we started setting aside a sufficient amount EACH MONTH for expected (yet never really budgeted for) expenses, such as vet bills, car repairs, tire replacement, house upgrades, etc. Once I totaled those ANNUAL costs, and set aside 1/12th of the total in a savings account, we got out of the “pay down the CCd and then charge it up again” cycle.
Once those expenses are under control (and they were a surprising percentage of our household costs), we began looking at the meta-tools, such as Warren and Tiyagi’s “All Your Worth” distributions. But we had a quibble with the 50% Needs, 30% Wants, 20% Savings percentages – namely, the expected expenses, when added to retirement funding and car replacement funding, totaled more than 20%.
So we inverted the percentages – 50% needs, 30% savings (including 15-20% retirement, and 10% “long-term targeted” savings), and 20% Wants. It works very well for us, and we are clear that we’re making much better progress with those targets than the original 50/30/20 allocations. Works for us!
Congrats on getting the job, El Nerdo – looking forward to reading your commentaries!
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I love the new percentages you are using. I’m going to keep them in mind as I look at my plans for 2013. I have adopted the 50-30-20 as well, but its based on my take home pay. With my match at work, 12% of my pre-tax salary goes to retirement, and I don’t count this at all in my 50-30-20 budget. I have about 26% of post tax going to debt right now and 25% going to wants.
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Briefly (I’m trying):
I benefitted with the initial penny counting, and looking back at old receipts was eye-opening, but the BMF is much more sustainable for my family in the long run. (BTW, the BMF requires you do an initial accounting anyway).
And I agree with tweaking percentages, which I’ve done–the BMF is widely aimed at the middle class, extremes in the financial spectrum or special cases (school, retirement, etc) will require departures from the model (Warren/Tiyagi actually discuss that).
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BMF = Buy My Furniture? Bi-weekly Money Finances?
I know PF = Personal Finance; PITA = Pain In The Ass; DH = Dear Hubby; GTD = Getting Things Done; ITA = I Totally Agree; and others since I had to look them up on this blog.
But my point is that unless you’re in your 20′s, a LOT of you talk NONSENSE without a separate browser open so the rest of us can look up and guess what your acronym meant.
KWIM? (Know What I Mean?)
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BMF= Balanced Money Formula. Also known as the 50/30/20 rule. A lot of the writers and commenters use it.
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Congratulations!
I look forward to reading your posts. Have a great day!
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“My name is El Nerdo, and I’m your new staff writer at Get Rich Slowly”—When I read that Nerdo—the first thing that came to mind was…I am El Nerdo, and I am the most interesting man in the world. I don’t drink beer, but when I do…
Excellent, excellent intro to you. I can’t wait. As you know, you are my favorite commenter and I actively seek you out for what you have to say. For instance, I now suddenly NEED the wooden garden tub, but no– I won’t be putting my order in today.
Lastly…Your words are seriously spun like the most succulent pasta. I felt like I was going in for the bite, spent time discerning the flavors and pin pointing each ingredient and then bam! I tasted fresh basil. I love your ability to spin language into some version of a crazy synesthesia experience. Like I said, I can’t wait for your every future post!
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Thanks! I did put a lot of work into carefully tracing my reasoning in that article, so I appreciate you noticed and could follow the thread, but I think a majority of readers want clear conclusions instead of long multipart arguments– I’ll try to balance that in the future so as not to cause a reader stampede
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Congratulations, El Nerdo.
This doesn’t answer your question but might provide inspiration for a post. In his book Checklist Manifesto, Atul Gawande devotes a chapter to the use of checklists in finance and other industries. He talks to a few professional investors about their checklists, but it got me thinking about how I might apply them in personal finance. In what PF situations would a checklist make sense, and what might be on the checklist?
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I don’t use checklists but I probably should. Thanks for the post idea! I will investigate….
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Yay! I am excited to hear your backstory and follow your ongoing search for a coherent pf theory.
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I really love your writing style, Nerdo!
I am also fascinated with how the human element of finance twists the numbers out of all logic sometimes.
I can relate to the “emergency” principle. When I was getting out of debt, I worked two jobs (with little time to even sleep, let alone spend money!), so when I finally achieved my goal and was able to quit the exhausting second job, I felt myself able to spend more freely.
I haven’t gone too crazy, but there’s always the slight spending-demon in the back of my mind telling me to take a holiday with my emergency fund!! (I won’t, don’t worry!)
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I guess I’m one of the few that found this overly wordy and I kept skipping whole paragraphs.
Don’t fall in love with the sound of your own voice.
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I actually totally love El Nerdo’s written voice, but I have to agree: this article was much longer and wordier than it needed to be.
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Congratulations El Nerdo! I’m a big fan and looking forward to more. This post was too wordy but I’m sure you’ll hit your stride.
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That ship has already sailed– but thanks for the advice!
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Love the mission and frankness of this post. Especially liked the contrast you draw between being good at math and being good with money. Both inherently involve numbers, but just because you’re good at one definitely doesn’t make you good at the other. I know tons of really smart people that don’t know jack about managing money. Your math/money comparison hit the nail on the head.
Looking forward to more of your stuff.
Tim Murphy
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El Nerdo, I first have to say:
- You are wonderfully intelligent
- You are refreshingly honest
- Your writing is entertaining
(although I agree this post was a bit wordy)
I am wondering, is a good place to start examining personal philosophies of, attitudes towards, and assumptions about money? Because I think that really colors what people come up with in their approaches to personal finance.
Hopefully without opening a can of worms, I would just say that while I largely enjoy what commentators on GRS come up with (I learn a lot from the readers!), I’m also amazed by how entrenched some readers can be in their opinions, to the point of seeming to feel threatened by differing views. I am no exception, since over the years I’ve had to pause over some comments to consider why they provoked a strong reaction in me. When this happens to me, I usually find that an assumption about money and finances is colliding with an expressed viewpoint. One example is that I was raised in a poor family (as in no a/c living in GA, food running out at the end of the month, roaches) and I foam at the mouth when I hear people passing judgment on and criticizing the poor. saying they somehow deserve what they got. Clearly my experience and opinions about how poor people manage money are colliding with somebody else’s. The foundation of my approach to money and personal finance is going to be different than that of someone who had a different childhood experience that that.
I mention this just as an example that one place to start looking at a theory of personal finance might be in the varying opinions on money that people hold. If personal finance is more about mindset than money, then looking at mindset may be helpful.
My $0.02, k-chink, k-chink.
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Laura, I value the personal experience that you share but likewise your reply was too long as well. I think you could submit a guest post on your personal experience
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Sorry – was just having trouble wording it so as not to inadvertently offend. I wanted people to consider what I was saying instead of how I was saying it.
Not sure anyone would be interested in a guest post from me. Frankly, I’m still trying to get monthly spending out of the red and into the black – feels more like getting poor quickly.
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Laura– thanks for the comments.
I actually don’t think your reply was too verbose– I love reading! But my own article could have been shorter.
I am actually interested in how different social classes approach money. On the individual level, people tend to be very narrow in their perspectives and ignore that others exist or may be different. But the fact that you’re aware of your own prejudices speaks well of your ability to learn and adapt– so, don’t lose courage, and keep our focus so you can get above water. If I can do it, you can do it.
And thanks for the idea, it goes into my notebook for sure. Maybe you’ll let me interview you some day?
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Nerdo and Laura,
You two have something. Lets lose the “theory” and get down to real practical, real life experiences. I’m one of 10 kids, raised on one salary, lived frugally – never knew it – thought we were rich (turns out my parents are). I lived well below the poverty level with my spouse and child while in law school. I know how to stretch a dollar into a dime and could teach young ones how to do that. What I’m still trying to figure out is how to save/invest sufficiently for retirement.
Nerdo – interview Laura and lets get some REAL life stories out here – with details, so people can actually put the theory into practice.
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Interview – um, sure {gulp}. I’d give it a shot. I suspect the takeaway for most GRS readers, though, would be what kind of mindset leads one into debt and how difficult changing that mindset can be, as opposed to learning anything new about how to become financially independent.
Thanks too for the encouragement. I’m nowhere near as far along in my PF journey as most of the folks here but I’m trying (perhaps in more ways than one).
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Ha ha, let your interviewer get a takeaway from your story first. Who knows what could happen? Research is an adventure because you don’t know where you’ll end when you start.
If it’s cool with you I’d like to contact you some time later this week. No need to publicly post your email . Written interview only, no cameras!
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Thank you for addressing the complexity of financial independence.
I have been so frustrated that I am still in the process of a debt-free, savings-rich life while others write, “Whew, I got through it and here’s what I am doing now.” Their process seemed so simple.
I am glad you are an addition to this excellent blog resource.
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I’d definitely agree that there isn’t one overarching theory of personal finance, just lots of common sense advice that should help get us there and sometimes contradicts itself.
I don’t think there can be an overarching theory, though. Everyone comes into the personal finance game at a different stage in their life, and with a different financial background. The habits we need to change are not all the same, and the parameters we work with are all so individual.
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Let me emphasize this: simple and easy to follow, such us “spend less than you earn” and “debt is a deadly plague.” Yes, that simple. When you’re in an emergency, simplicity works.”
One of the ways I was clever was that I always pushed things back so I could enjoy them today but pay for them tomorrow. The future would always be brighter and I would always be able to pay.
Your cover is blown, El Nerdo: you’re obviously Ben Bernanke! I’m so glad you’re coming to your senses!
Great post, though perhaps a bit verbose. I like to think of personal finance (and life in general) like a baseball swing: sure, there’s a certain underlying technique, but what works for each individual is different, sometimes paradoxical. No one teaches their kid to swing like Gary Sheffield or Tony Batista, but it worked for them.
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Great post and goal on your Theory of Everything. I like the pillars comment that was made earlier. Two comments about the quest and relation to theories in other fields:
1. Physics has long had different explanations on what happens at atomic level forces and large masses. My thinking was that this applies to personal finance too. If you’re deep in debt maybe tracking pennies is what you need to do where once you’re debt-free and figuring out saving/money goals you don’t. The principle is still sound, but it operates differently at different scales of debt/assets?
2. I think a big part of a Theory of Everything should be examining one’s own risk tolerance. This goes all the way from the importance and level of your emergency fund (before aggressively pursuing debt reduction) all the way to high investment strategy and retirement planning. It touches the big question – what do you care about protecting/avoiding most and what will you do about it.
Great post!
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I love the idea of factoring a tolerance for risk in a set of over-arching principles of personal finance!
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Brett, thanks for the post, you’re spot on with #1, and I had never ever thought of #2 so I’m definitely making a note of it in my idea notebook. Thanks!
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George Lakoff (the linguist at Berkeley) argues that one of the challenges of metaphors (which we all use, so so much more than we think we do) is that they only have to be coherent (with our life experience). They do not have to be consistent (with each other). As a result, we believe all sorts of contradictory things because they are apt for one situation. An additional challenge is that if we truly believe something to be true then our brains are literally hard-wired to ignore/not see evidence to the contrary because we don’t deal well with cognitive dissonance.
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I googled that guy’s name and his ideas sound fascinating. Thanks!!
http://theliterarylink.com/metaphors.html <-brain candy
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Don’t Think of an Elephant is probably his best known book and can be read in an afternoon, though Metaphors We Live By is also very good.
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El Nerdo: Please be concise. I like that you’re writing for GRS because you actually seem to care about the nuts and bolts of finance. In contrast to the majority of staff writers at late, who are wearing designer jeans and not sure if they should cancel mensa dues while their financial house burns down, raising funds via kickstart for friend’s business OR are having a midlife crises, you might actually be the one lone voice of financial education this sight has to offer anymore.
So do what you set out to do. But keep your words brief. The whole point of this article was the last section….and it took you 5 chapters just to make your point. I am afraid you’ll do more harm than good if each of your posts are tomes like this one.
But really, good luck sir on all your financial endevours.
Question for other readers: what are some other good daily read type of financial blogs besides GRS? This place has been more on my nerves than not lately and I’m curious to know if there’s better blogs out there. I like a daily dose of finance,so what else do you guys read?
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http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/
Just realized you said DAILY – MMM doesn’t post daily, just fairly often.
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I’ve started reading Mr. Money Mustache on occasion, but sometimes I find it pretty self-righteous and extreme. This was a particularly egregious example written by his wife:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/07/27/youll-never-be-normal-again/
Also, I’m shocked by how overwhelmingly positive the comments always are. I find this boring, unlike here where people feel comfortable to disagree. Is it just an echo chamber or does the author highly moderate the comments?
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Mymoneyblog . com is another good one.
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Doesn’t he subscribe to the creepy “Extreme Early Retirement” school? (Not that retiring early or extreme frugality are creepy; I just think that particular blogger is.)
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I was excited for El Nerdo’s post, but I have to say that it fell flat. I thought it was too long and I wound up skipping entire paragraphs.
I realize this is just his first post; he just needs to warm up and get used to it.
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i just came across 20somethingfinance.com and it seems ok so far. i haven’t loved the past few posts but the archives seem good so i’m going to give it a chance for awhile.
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@ everyone in this thread: stick around for my next post. If it’s not concise, I will eat my shoe.
(No, I wont. But have a little faith here. I’m not a complete dolt. Only partial!)
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Also, Mark Twain said, “The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don’t want, drink what you don’t like, and do what you’d rather not.” I think PF is similar in some respects
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Worst. post. ever. Promises not to ramble, rambles on to make a simple point, and the writing style was god awful.
Good bye GRS, this is it, you were in decline for a while, we knew this was coming.
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Can you explain how this is god awful writing? I have always found El Nerdo’s writing style engaging with a dose of the profound.
The main criticism is what others have already pointed out – that sometimes he takes 100 words to say what could be said in 10.
But god awful? In no shape or form.
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I read FreeMoneyFinance regularly plus MrMoneyMoustache. Also fivecentnickel. Used to read TheSimpleDollar, but have given up on that because the blog is now a re-run of old posts and comments were too supervised. I read the Bogleheads.org forum regularly for investment advice and strategy, also they have postings of general personal finance issues too.
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Hi!
Could you fill me in on the reference to Suze? I’ve been reading GRS posts for months now, and I’m not aware of what you meant when referencing her.
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Quackery per se: She falsely claims that employers will check your credit score (not your credit report but your SCORE). Link on my article. Problem is, while this is generally an urban myth, Suze works with/for/ sells FICO reports.
Borderline: She sponsors a prepaid debit card while claiming it’s good for you in spite of the fees. Gotta keep this reply short (LOL) but here is an article by Sarah Gilbert on that card: http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/01/17/does-suze-ormans-prepaid-debit-card-make-sense-for-you/
Bad karma: her advice for the young and fabulous (get in debt to advance your career) might have caused some people to (metaphorically) break their teeth on the sidewalk when the recession hit. Ouch!
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Good lord, this author likes his words. The editing process should have cut 30-50% of this article. It’s redundant and repetitive and uses way too many words to make a simple point. It’s rare on this blog that I resort to skimming and skipping whole paragraphs, but El Nerdo pushed me there. Otherwise, at least he’s a good writer.
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Love it! Looking forward to more.
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Hello folks,
I wish I could reply to more posts individually (I tried in the morning) but today I have a very busy workday, so this is just a general reply.
I hear you on the “verbal sprawl,” I do. Next time, shorter.
In case you’re curious, here’s an explanation for the Very Long Nature of the article:
- It’s my first post and I wanted to clarify where I’m coming from and what I want to do, so people don’t have to ask every time. I anyone ever asks, I’ll just give them a link to this.
- I only get 2 posts a month, and I have a number of themes here: a bit on my background, math vs. money, conflicting info vs. coherence, PF is not black and white. If I had to split those into multiple short articles it would have been 2 months before I get to move on.
- The editor added words! Okay, just one sentence (the first one), oh, and one extra word to the title (“Financial”) but I think that’s funny, considering.
- Finally, I *do* like my words. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t dare submitting them for publication. “Here, I hate these words, please read them”? Nooo….
Thanks for the feedback, and please keep it coming! Obviously I can’t please everybody, as that way leads to madness, but I welcome everything you have to say regardless of agreement and disagreement, and I’ll work at getting better at this.
Best,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Nerdo
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You can use significantly fewer words without compromising any of your goals listed above. Go through your post, really scrutinize each sentence, and figure out if it’s truly making a new point or if you’re repeating something you already said. You’ll find that half the post is redundant of something already said. You spend paragraphs ramping up to making a point instead of just making the point itself. And you repeat things over and over without really getting to the kernel of an idea.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_and_divergent_production
I can’t rewire my brain but I’ll talk to my editor about cutting things. Thanks!
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I rather enjoyed the thorough, thoughtful, and perhaps verbose (but enjoyably so) post myself.
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Needed pictures of kittens.
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Hi El Nerdo.
I had a really hard time getting through this post and absorbing your points, which is too bad because you have a lot of good things to say! I majored in journalism before turning to the dark side (public relations), and I had to learn how to ditch the flowery prose of academic writing and get to the point more quickly. Long articles are fine if they make points clearly and are organized well for the reader. I’d recommend buying a basic journalistic writing book like Journalistic Writing by Robert Knight. Best of luck!
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I’ve bookmarked the book on Amazon & will download after I’m done posting replies (frugally checked with library first, but they don’t have it– blagh!) Anyway– thanks! Really!
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With all due respect, if this is any indication of what is to come for GRS, I won’t be paying much attention.
I read about the first half, and then realized how much time I had just wasted.
I truly appreciate your entertaining style and attempts at humor, but after all that writing time and obvious effort you put in, ya gotta SAY SOMETHIN’ of value because that’s what GRS readers are here for. Make it concise, make it clear, get to the point in as few words as possible using impeccable grammar, only resort to esoteric vocabulary when necessary, and please… please don’t waste my time.
Please take the critique for what it is, just one data sample, and I truly do wish you luck and continued improvement in your quest for understanding personal finance and effective communication with GRS readers.
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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback, really. Thumbs up & all.
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I think the problem here is that personal finance is the murky brackish water between the well-understood river of finance and the deep, mysterious ocean of human psychology.
Counting pennies motivates some people (I imagine this includes many of GRS regular readers) but would make someone like my mother angry and more likely to spend money to make herself feel better.
I try to think of my own issues with dieting. Although I am able by simply following the HAES approach to maintain my weight and keep my bloodwork healthy, I’d like to get smaller. But losing weight for me is a minefield – the more I try to motivate myself, the more I focus on food and become anxious about food, and thus the more I will emotionally overeat.
I think this is the same cycle that many people in debt experience when they try to get out of debt. They are genuinely motivated and want to succeed, but the very steps to success are very anti-motivational for them. I am wondering if it because the steps are generally thought up by those who are motivated by penny counting people?
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Haa haa– I love the idea in your last paragraph! It’s probably true! (and hilarious) If so, we should probably try to formulate a “care-free” or “joyful” PF system as a response.
I’ll say though, the BMF does not count pennies, if you haven’t tried it… just stick to the percentages and you’re gold. I really love that system. Check it out… http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/10/27/the-balanced-money-formula/
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I don’t think there can be a true unified theory of personal finance. You can have a general theory that works the majority of the time, but there’s always exceptions.
No debt ever…except for education and your house. You know…I personally don’t like strict rules that have a “but” or “except” in them, sounds like a cop-out. If we assume debt for education is good, then we’ll go overboard when maybe we could have gotten just as good an education for much less (scholarships, grants, going to a community college for two years then transferring to a four-year, etc. etc.). Same for mortgage debt…if that’s “good” debt, then it’s “good” that we’re “investing” in a huge McMansion that we really can’t afford.
So, I’m against all forms of debt. But what of those who leveraged debt to get themselves into a better position? What if they had followed my advice to the letter? I dunno.
And I don’t like the 50/20/30 formulas. Yes, maybe good in an emergency, to dig yourself out. But 50% needs…what is a need? Yes, you “need” that mobile phone for work…but do you need the newest iphone with the highest unlimited-everything plan? No…$100+/mo should not go in needs, maybe more like $5-$10 (cost of a cheap tracfone plan). Also, we spend WAY less than 50% on needs, so does that mean I should stop traveling and going on cruises, and get a bigger house/newer car/fancier clothes/etc.? So what if I’m spending 25% on needs, 45% on wants, and 30% in savings (btw, just made up those numbers, wouldn’t surprise me if they were pretty accurate though)?
A strict formula that works for most would NOT work for us (or at least, not for the lifestyle we prefer). And of course, whatever formula we’re using would not work for many/most people, so they shouldn’t restrict their options to fit our lifestyle.
That said, I do like reading about personal finance (spend a good bit of my day doing research). Even if someone’s posting has nothing to do with our situation, maybe it’ll make me think. I mean, there was a time when I thought it was fine to have a mortgage, student loan debt, lots of credit card debt, oh and a car loan too. So if future me made a post, it would not have been relevant to past me’s situation. But maybe it’d make me think. So your post may not be relevant to where I’m at, but if it makes me think…then I say it’s a good post.
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Two points:
1. El Nerdo, your writing really resonates with me. I’m looking forward to your future posts!
2. All the people who have submitted comments ad nauseum about the post being too long could more appropriately have “liked” the first comment that expressed that sentiment rather than posting your own redundant (and often verbose and whiny) comment. You flatter yourselves in thinking we all want to read your unoriginal comment….ironic, isn’t it?
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Hi Anne,
The irony didn’t escape me, as well as other manner of hilarity, though it would be bad form for me to pick on my readers (unless they were to cross some sort of line, which they didn’t). And it helps me to hear what everyone has to say, as I figure out how to build my audience. And some of the commenters said they do like my stuff, they just want it shorter (and I understand some people will never like what I write, no matter what– that’s okay too).
I’m glad you like the article, and I’m happy to be able to connect with readers. While I plan to tackle single subjects in the future (rather than building multi-part arguments, as much as I like that, unless I do it on the installment plan), I won’t really change who I am or how I think– a multi-author blog needs a variety of voices or else it’s just an echo chamber, so please check back my next post (I think there’ll be one next week) and let me know what you think.
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I wish we had *more* posts that were longer and more in-depth. If you’re not willing to invest more than two minutes reading something, how much do you really expect to get out of it?
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Thanks man. I’m one of the readers who like you has asked for more “meat” in this blog, hence my statement of purpose. Whether I fail or succeed is another story, but my purpose remains as stated, and I’ll keep looking for answers.
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This article is filled with overly verbose platitudes, best suitable for lunch conversation. Enough of the emo-newbies already.
J.D., please stop the me too, coming out financial stories. Give us content with useful advice.
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Great post! It might be a bit long (for some readers), but sometimes complex ideas just need some room to unfold and be explored. (Then again, I am an PhD student in English, so I do enjoy a good long read!)
In evolving a Financial Theory of Everything, it might be useful to distinguish between general principles (which generally apply across the board) and strategies (the variety of choices individuals make to achieve the general principles).
To give you a bit more context, my take on this is coming from the field of Rhetoric and Composition–where all too often students in (academic) writing classes receive lots of do’s and don’ts, usually in some sort of list, and which is often contradictory (never do this, always do that). Once students begin writing within disciplines, things become even more muddled (for example, in the humanities the passive voice is rarely used, but in the sciences, passive voice is frequently used).
Like personal finance (sort of), writing is (for many people) personal, subjective, and there’s no one way to succeed. (And indeed, great writing often breaks the rules.)
Depending on the audience and the purpose of writing, individual writers will make all kinds of choices (sometimes contradictory)–some more effective, some less effective. So the goal in teaching writing with this framework is to help students understand that certain principles are true of academic writing (regardless of discipline), there are lots of strategies, and that the writer always has to choose for him or herself what strategies would be effective in a writing situation (based on audience and purpose).
So, for example, I might consider “spend less” to be a strategy, not a principle. What’s the underlying goal of spending less? Are there other ways to accomplish it? That’s the territory of principles which would be true across financial situations.
TL;DR: It might be useful to distinguish between general principles and strategies.
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Not long, and I read it, and found it very useful, thanks! (I just used the word “strategy” in my reply to Phoenix below– because that fits).
Regarding strategies, they can conflict and drive people crazy. When I started reading about PF all I had was a case of massive confusion– only Ramsey cleared the mess, though later that was too much.
Loved your comment in general and will re-read and take some notes.
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How about this for a grand unifying theory: Spend less than you make. My father taught it to me when I was growing up and it has guided me well ever since.
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I basically agree with that. But…
1) Some people have a problem achieving that formula, so they need to understand why, and what for, and how to do it.
2) Others can manage spending less than they earn, but have a problem figuring out what to do with the surplus, or get scammed (hi mortage-backed securities! hi Enron!), and that’s when we need to start looking at the economy and different financial vehicles and so forth.
3) Finally, our whole economy rests on the leveraging of assets– money in a modern economy is nothing but a bunch of promises, after all. That is something that’s beyond the personal sphere , and I’m just starting to learn about. Like it or not, it’s all around us, and financing is the lifeblood of most businesses.
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I’m so glad you got the job! Congrats! I often went thru the comments looking for your well-thought POV, and here you are, as a staff writer now! As you are asking for input, I’ll provide mine. First, I love how you look for coherence, but in following that goal, I’d give a warning about research paralysis.
Sometimes, we don’t need more knowledge to reach our goals. Too easily with that route, we will fall into research paralysis—a condition that actually stalls any progress toward a goal. Generally in that state, we’re not focused on taking enough action because our “action” is research. I am a researcher; it’s how I earn my money. I really love discovering the “right” answer. But I’ve grown a lot and have come full circle, realizing that my love of finding the right answer needs to be modified. Years ago, when I became a new mother, I researched how to be a new mother to ad nauseam. Parenting books have extremely contradictory: schedule your baby, let them cry it out, co-sleep. The POVs are opposite spectrums. I was so frustrated with the contrasting points of view. But while I read all the books and knew all the research, my baby had not read any of them and refused to abide by the “rules” babies were “supposed” to do—like sleep all the time. My daughter hated to sleep; she didn’t want to slow down in order to eat. All she wanted to do was move, move, move. It was not until I had my second baby that I realized finally, “Oh, my baby refused to sleep because it’s in her DNA—she’s just a VERY active baby.” My second daughter was a cuddle bug—and slept all the time. My parenting style changed—not because I researched more but because I finally had the confidence to follow what worked for us—and to stick to it. Both of my children slept and ate, but I followed my instinct and learned what worked best for them. When people enter the equation, we are all different. There is no mathematical formula that works the same for everybody.
I have always wanted to find the magic pill, the one “right” answer. But I have come to learn that sometimes there is more magic in the very fact that there is no magic. What a paradox, but how freeing is that! I no longer have to second-guess myself, but can move in one continued direction. We know in personal finance, you must spend less than you make. The secret is action—a continued, sustained action, knowing that setbacks will occur.
To me, the reason that behavioral finance is difficult is because we move beyond knowledge—we are not in a field mixing psychology together with knowledge. Knowledge is easy, but applied psychology is hard because although we as people are similar in many ways, we are also quite different. People are a case study in anomalies and paradoxes. We want to fit in, but also be unique. We want enjoy today, but not at the expense of tomorrow—except that we are not guaranteed tomorrow. It’s the example of the glass: is it half-empty or half-full? Either answer is wrong. The glass is BOTH!
(As a fun aside, I’d argue that determining whether a law is constitutional or not is NOT an area that has been figured out very well. The split decisions from SCOTUS is ample evidence that even the most learned legal minds of our day disagree strongly on many of those situations—although each Justice’s concurring or dissenting opinions each sound very compelling on their own.)
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I loved this post! And the story of your babies vs. the manuals– you gotta admit though, probably all that initial research helped you figure out some strategies– no? & “the glass is both” = yes! love it. i might steal that line some time, ok?
Re: SCOTUS- oh yeah, that’s why I said “we pretend more intently”
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LOL–yes–I had plenty of possibilities. But it drove my must-find-right-answer self up the wall. Too often, people induce fear in presenting their POV by suggesting that if you don’t do one approach, you’ll mess up your child (or in the case of finance, you’ll incur too much debt and fail). It’s funny to me to look back on that self now, but you’re right–there’s definitely positive points in findings LOTS of different answers. Feel free to use that too in terms of the glass being both.
Most importantly, I REALLY admire how positive you respond to all the comments and suggestions. WOW!
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Thank you for this entry. I am a big fan of theories of everything, and I agree that this is needed for PF. I have found a useful one for eating, “Eat more plants than animals,” which helps me to avoid getting bogged down in too many fads or ‘new revolutionary findings’ too often.
I would like to politely offer this feedback: This article was way too long. Longer than most GRS entries, and I felt you were repeating yourself by the end.
I look forward to all your posts, especially as you approach having a unified theory of personal finance.
(How’s that for a praise sandwich?)
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Tasty!
Yes, the article could have used an extra pair of eyes before being posted, but my secretly sadistic editor decided to let me have a “baptism of fire” so to speak, and actually *added* words to it (I’ll pay back some day, ha ha ha).
Anyway, I’m cool with hazing and initiations, my two trial posts were successful so a shellacking every now and then is healthy. And my mother will love me regardless, so I can totally handle the criticism.
This sure has been a learning experience, which is much more effective than the admonishments from a single editor, and faster!
But your comment was especially nice, yes. Thanks Eileen!
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Thank YOU! I am a long-time GRS reader, even wrote a song inspired by JD, and credit him with all kinds of personal changes I have made in the last 3 years. That said, I am happy to have you on board and look forward to having a happy “El Nerdo” reflex for your by-line, the way I do for Brokamp!
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El Nerdo – I find your posts fascinating. I am an accountant and a philosopher so it kind of speaks to me I guess. Usually kind of an odd mix, I guess. The wordiness doesn’t bother me in the least – I prefer it. Look forward to more.
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I enjoyed this post better than any I’ve read this year. Makes me feel better about sticking around the community.
Beautifully written and well-thought out. Elegant. Really resonated with me – we also found Ramsey at a time of crisis, and now are looking toward the future and trying to develop our personal “Whys”. I’ve also been eager for more “meaty” posts, so I didn’t find it too long, either.
I’m looking forward to your future posts – you just became my favorite GRS contributor. (Sorry, Robert!)
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Sure, the post was a bit long, and I think that El Nerdo is very gracious in receiving the criticism as he has. But El Nerdo, please don’t feel the need to respond to every comment. I feel a bit strange reading through the comments and seeing you respond to nearly every one. I appreciate that you want to acknowledge the feedback, but it’s a bit overwhelming to see your name all over the page.
I like it when the writer does pop along and make a comment or two. But that should be kept minimal, and I don’t want to see constant feedback. I’d prefer to just see a more succinct post next time.
I feel mean and anti-social saying this, but I think the comments are a big draw of this site, and part of that is about being able to get into deep discussions about the topic of the day. If the writer is interjecting constantly, it doesn’t allow much room for the rest of us to get into the nuts and bolts of the discussion.
Absolutely lovely as you are, I feel that lately the conversations on here have been more about the character of the staff writer than the topic itself. It was the same with Honey recently, who also felt the need to keep responding to the comments.
Maybe just submit your story, sit back and watch us all fight it out amongst ourselves. I’d hate for people to get sick of hearing from you.
And I think it exudes far more confidence and authority to know when to be silent and let your work speak for itself. No need to constantly justify yourself.
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Glad you have a job, but I hope future posts will be shorter, less wordy, less philosophical and more practical. I gave up listening to long philosophical discussions in college many years ago because they rarely resulted in a practical solution to a problem. Please tell me how to exist in retirement with finances and investments disappearing and costs of living rising faster than at any other time in my life.
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