This guest post from Robin is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. It’s a follow up to her June story about the real cost of work. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success or failure. These stories feature folks with all levels of financial maturity and income. Want submit your own reader story? Here’s how.
Recently I submitted a reader story about my job as a crime analyst and how I struggled with paying off my student loans and paying for housing due to my low paying government job. I wanted to write this follow up because my financial situation has drastically changed in the short time since J.D. ran my article.
A Lucky Break?
Shortly after I sent off my story to J.D. I received some incredible news. I was offered a different position, doing the same work, at another police department! This left me with a difficult decision but with options.
In order to leave my current job I would have to give up my time in the pension fund. Local pensions do not transfer between cities, so I would lose my time that counts toward vesting. A year and half before I would be guaranteed a pension (though a very small one at the ten-year mark) is difficult to give up. I would be starting over in the new pension system and have to work another ten years before becoming vested at this department. However, the retirement requirement for the new department would be 20 years, rather than the 25 years that the current job requires.
There were a lot of other comparisons to make that weighed on my decision.
- Healthcare is much cheaper, yet the exact same policy, at the new department.
- The commute is longer which means more gas and maintenance expenses for my car.
- The initial offer for the new job came in at exactly what I was making at my current job ($38,000).
While I was disappointed with the initial offer, I decided to make a counter offer in the hopes that I could put some personal finance advice to work and negotiate a better salary.
Learning to Negotiate
I spent several days getting job specifications and pay scales from police departments all over the country and prepared myself for what scares me more than anything: talking money with a supervisor.
I went into the negotiations realizing that government jobs usually have firm pay scales and there is often no chance for getting a better deal than the salary posted in the job posting.
I walked into the meeting with shaky hands full of job postings with salaries ranging from $28,000 to $67,000. The pay scales vary wildly depending on the state, the size of the police department, and the financial stability of the city or state. I decided to aim high and ask for $60,000. There was really no scientific basis for choosing that number; it just sounded high enough that they could bargin down and low enough from the top salary in my job posting package so that I didn’t sound as if I was ridiculously greedy.
The meeting went well and I was told I would get the final offer by mail within a week. On the way out of the office, I wasn’t sure if it was the right move to ask for over $20,000 more than what I had originally been offered. I had a stable job and didn’t need to change agencies, so I wasn’t desperate to take the first offer that came along. I decided that no matter what happened, I would be proud of myself for taking the chance and turning down the initial offer and countering. If nothing else, I gained some experience in negotiating.
A week later the offer letter arrived. I opened it slowly, fully prepared for the $38,000 pay rate to be in the first line. Imagine my shock and surprise when I read that they would be willing to start me off at nearly $57,000!!! This was a nearly $20,000 increase from the initial offer that would never have been available had I not made a counter offer.
In one simple letter, I was able to alleviate the stress I’ve felt for the last decade about staying in a low paying job that I love. I’ll still be able to make a difference in an urban community and be able to achieve some of my personal goals like paying off debt and saving for a home.
By the Numbers
So here’s the breakdown of my average old paycheck:
- Bi-weekly pay: $1500
- Total Deductions for medical, Union Dues, Pension costs, and Taxes: -$625.00
- Take Home Pay: $875
- Student Loan Payment: -$200
- Commuting Costs: -$150
- Total left: $525 ($1050 per month for rent, phone, food, and anything else I need or want)
And from my new paycheck:
- Bi-weekly pay: $2175
- Total Deductions for medical, Union Dues, Pension costs, and Taxes: -$425.00 (higher taxes but lower pension and medical costs)
- Take Home Pay: $1750
- Student Loan Payment: -$200
- Commuting Costs: -$200 (increased mileage)
- Total Left: $1350 ($2700 per month — more than twice what I took home before!)
I am so grateful for being able to have this opportunity and for realizing that it was in my power to negotiate my salary. If I hadn’t read so many personal finance articles, I wouldn’t have known how to ask for a better pay rate.
I wanted to share my good news because I read over and over how in order to get out of debt you can cut back or you can make more money. It sounds impossible to just increase your money coming in but this is proof it can be done.
Now I need a plan for the new $1650 increase in monthly pay. There are worse problems to have…
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Go Robin! I love a happy ending! Congratulations!
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Congratulations! This is such great news! Enjoy your new peace of mind.
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Robin, that is awesome! Courage has its rewards – especially if you back it up with good, solid homework. Excellent story, and thanks for sharing!
One recommendation, if I may: if you put a healthy part of the raise away into your own retirement fund, you won’t have to worry about the next storm: shrinking local government pensions. Those are nice to have, but the days that you could rely on them are coming to an end. Don’t ignore or put off starting a fund of your own.
But your strategy for pulling off something uncomfortable by doing your homework is awesome!
You have not because you ask not!
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Wow! Congratulations!
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Congratulations!!! That is so great!!!
You asked about what to do with all that extra money. I would save a small emergency fund first (to build confidence and have something ready for a small emergency like new tires or an emergency plane ticket home) then double or even triple the student loan payment. Then, of course, comes the big emergency fund- six months expenses. Do you want to own a home in the future? Where do you want to retire? Do you have a spouse and children?
Don’t forget about “lifestyle inflation,” when your paycheck increases so do your expenses for wants that masquerade as needs. If you’re living bare-bones now, just pick one small luxury for comfort- like a gym membership (if you will actually use it), season tickets to a sports team, or cable TV. I’ve found that if I allow a small luxury that I can afford, it meets that need and I spend less. (I *love* really nice socks.)
And a word on the longer commute: podcasts and books on tape. If you have a smartphone, there are many free apps that play podcasts. And the library has audiobooks on CD and perhaps some audiobooks available as e-books that you can play on a smartphone.
Congratulations again!!! I’m so happy for you!
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That’s great news! I’m sure that you’ll find a lot of smart ways to spend that new money!
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Excellent! Way to go – this is exactly what happens when we ask: we recieve. Not always but often enough that it matters.
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Congratulations and well done! I hope you enjoy your new job!
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Congratulations, Robin!!! What a huge, huge, huge accomplishment. I loved your first reader story and am so happy to hear this great news.
Will you get paid out the amount you contributed to your first pension?
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Yes, I am getting a payout of my contributions plus basic interest. It’s going straight into my new retirement account.
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Congrats! Good luck with your new job
I’m sure it took a lot of guts to make that counter offer. I hope when the time comes I’ll be able to do the same!
My raises have tended to come in big jumps (though no where near as big as yours!) so my only advice would be to let the dust settle before making any major financial decisions. Build an emergency fund first and give yourself a few months before thinking about moving or anything else that would be considered lifestyle inflation.
Of course, you should treat yourself to something too! Well done
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That is awesome. I don’t think I would have asked for that much more. It sounds like they were really trying to lowball you. Did you try getting your police department to match the new salary before leaving? If they’ll match it maybe you can keep your pension years!
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Good point!
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I have worked in the public sector as a high school teacher for 25+ years. As a teacher applying for a new job in a new district, I could negotiate where I would start on the salary scale based on experience and education. But, once hired and placed on the salary scale, you cannot get changed due to contract restrictions. Same thing applies for police, fire, and public works in our community.
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Good question. There is no way to negotiate a union contract. You get hired at a certain amount and you are locked into the corresponding payscale for the life of your employment. The only time you can negotiate is when you are initially hired but there too most jobs have a set payscale and they can offer you a low end or high end but it’s rare that you can get into a different pay grade.
These pay grades and scales are all public record so you can look up what city workers make based on their job title in the City’s annual reports or if it is a union job, in the union’s public contract.
I did talk to my first employer about staying but the only way it could have happened with a pay increase is if they created a new position at a higher payscale, opened a test up to the public, I came out #1 on the test, and was hired into that job. This would also have to be a position that was budgeted from the Mayor’s Office and there is a provision in our union contract that no new jobs will be made until the budget is under control in order to avoid layoffs.
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Makes sense to me. Glad things worked out for you!
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Robin, congrats! What a great story. I look forward to employing similar tactics at my next job switch!
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Congratulations! All it takes is asking and a little preparation. I, too suggest putting a lot of the raise into your own retirement savings. One of my colleagues (teacher) accumulated over a million dollars in his 403B over his career.
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Well done Robin!
I would set up a way to “hide” that extra income from yourself on DAY 1. You can figure out what to do with it on day 30 or 60 or 90, but get some automatic withrawl to a MMA account or something going pronto.
I would recommend taking a little time off between jobs, and going for a nice (reasonably priced) long week/weekend away to celebrate. That can be your splurge, then back to real life with a little less money-pressure!
Congratulations again! I love reading about successful negotiations. I strongly recommend everyone read a book called “ASK FOR IT” – it is targeted to women, but great for everyone!
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Totally agree on the hiding
When I got my last raise, most of it went towards my student loan and into my savings account. In terms of my lifestyle, it was like I never got the raise.
Another thing I did was set up a “mad money” account — an automatic withdrawal of $25 a paycheque into a designated savings account that I can do whatever I want with – no questions asked!
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YES to “hiding”! Whenever I’d get a raise or bonus, I’d allow myself a small splurge – a nice dinner out, or a new outfit, that sort of thing. And then it was business as usual. I didn’t start spending more on food or clothes just because I could afford to do so.
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Congrats on getting a much higher salary! I’m surprised about the pension – I work for a police department in Ontario, Canada and belong to a province-wide pension plan, so it goes with me if I go to any other municipal empoloyer (not just police – just has to be a municipality). I agree with the poster who said to put money into your own retirement plan – if your work pension is self-funding, then you need to make sure that you’ve got yourself covered in the event that there’s not enough money for you to survive when you’re ready to retire or if the department shuts down (I’ve read of small departments being shut down, not sure from your writing how big the department is that you work for). Enjoy your new workplace…and the new money that comes along with it!
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Way to go!
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Glad to hear your great news!
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That’s fantastic! That’s a huge increase and will make such a difference in your monthly budget! Good job =)
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Good for you! Congrats!
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This is similar to the strategy I used back when I had a day job to get a 25% raise when the typical salary increases at the company were 2%-4%.
It’s an example of using a concept called “anchoring” to your advantage, whether it’s negotiating for a raise, your salary, or the price of an item.
While some people think that whoever gives out the first negotiating number loses; I disagree. Instead, YOU should be the one to set the anchor, so that the negotiation is centered around the number that you initially put out.
In my negotiation, I made my anchor number significantly more than my currently salary, but justified by my value to the company. For example, maybe a 40% increase is warranted, so ask for 50% (since it’ll likely be negotiated down). Whatever the number, say it matter-of-factly, and don’t blink. You’ve laid out your case and you know your value. Don’t be emotional. Practice your meeting with a friend or spouse.
People are often reluctant to ask for something–especially if it’s a big jump in salary or a big discount. That reluctance boils down to not valuing yourself, and is extremely limiting. Practice doing something different, and you’ll be amazed at the results you’ll get, and perhaps more important, how your self-concept will change.
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Love this comment! You obviously know you worth and I think that’s a hard thing for some people (me included) to articulate for fear of sounding pushy, demanding, or egotistical. I like how you are able to show it is not those things at all… it’s about proving your worth.
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Bravo! You really worked your courage muscles and that will help you next time you are thinking about taking a bold step forward.
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Just wanted to add my congratulations to the list!!
The first time is the hardest, but I don’t really think it ever gets easy. Based on your proposed salary and the fact that they came only $3k less, it looks like you didn’t leave any money on the table!! Well done.
I second what others have said about adjusting to a big bump in salary. I’ve done it too. Living on less by taking some off the top for your own savings and goals has made all the difference for me! Money (and all that comes with it) just becomes a lot more fun too!
Enjoy!
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Good work! If you don’t ask the answer is always no!
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Great work!
Always, always, always negotiate for salary. A single pay raise makes up for more than a lifetime of couponing or buying generic groceries or most of the “standard” frugality tips (and you can still do those too, if you want).
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Tyler, you comment from my last article was very blunt and much needed. I actually re-read it several times and took it to heart.
There is only so much you can love your work and eventually you do have to be able to pay the bills too.
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That sounds great!
Would you mind sharing some more details on how you approached the topic during the interview?
Thanks for sharing
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Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations! All the best with the new job.
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Wow! Way to go!
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Awesome for you, I tried asking for a raise and was shot down. I did read a lot of articles too…some people win others don’t
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fantasma – lots of places are raise-resistant, sometimes it’s necessary to do what Robin did and job hop. Don’t give up trying to earn more.
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A willingness to be mobile can be key. Not everyone can do what I did – move across the country. But with that one act I almost doubled my pay rate.
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What an amazing raise! Congratulations!
I will be sure to use your story for inspiration when negotiating my own salary in the future!
Let us know how you use the extra cash!
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Here’s hoping that the staff writer Honey reads this…
Congratulations Robin!
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I’m so inspired! Thanks for sharing!
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I love this post and I love the comments, and it cracks me up that the theme of my post for next week is very much along the same lines as this one.
Congrats Robin–the work you do is truly invaluable, and your increase in compensation more than well-deserved.
Not sure about what to say about how to spend your new income– maybe move closer to the new job so you don’t have to commute so much?
I’m only saying this because it keeps coming up in your posts (this and the old one) how much you hate to commute, and how your housing situation is maybe not what it should be.
I mean, paying student debt is important, but so is your well-being and mental health, so I wouldn’t bury the income to just focus on paying the debt. It doesn’t sound to me like you’re buried by debt but rather have other pressures that need a fair release at this point.
See if you might give the Balanced Money Formula a shot– it’s, you now, balanced. And don’t judge it just from what people say here– please check out and read the book, which explains it all in clear detail. You can even tweak the percentages if you want to meet certain goals, but the 50/30/20 split is a good starting point.
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Congrats Robin.
with the leftover money. make sure, you save and invest.
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Great Job!!
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Thank you for this inspiring and well written piece.
Congratulations on your much deserved raise!
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I remember your first post and was pretty shocked at how little you were making for the job that you do – I’m really glad for you that you will be making something more in line with your skills and education! You obviously deserve it! I work for the government and asked for a reclassification of my job a year ago (basically, for them to reevaluate my position and move it into a higher pay grade). It took a long time, but it finally got approved and my salary immediately jumped up $10,000 a year with the upper limit nearly $15,000 higher than the previous classification. I was so nervous to ask for it, but so relieved that I did. It certainly is a luxury to have a little wiggle room in your budget. Congrats!
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So that that this worked out for you! Congratulations on your raise, and on your initiative!
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Oh wow – congratulations! You absolutely deserve it. I remember reading your first post and thinking, that is a ridiculously low number despite your having technical and number crunching skills, even for a government salary. And still you sounded so positive about your situation! Kudos.
I used to work in government as a financial number cruncher, and my salary climbed from $55K to $60K over a couple of years. And I knew for a fact that even that number was low (for California). What really got me then was the invaluable work you are doing, saving lives and and supporting the police department and on top of all that, you were trying to make your salary work for you as best you could. I am SO GLAD you took the brave step to ask for a higher salary – you might find yourself even more in love with your job than you were before.
I had been meaning to ask you after your first post – but what kind of education and technical training do you have? What kinds of tools do you use? I am teaching myself to code and learn new statistical software, and would love to know if there’s a particular direction you recommend.
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Laurie,
My Master’s is in Statistics and Crime Analysis. In school I took a lot of SPSS courses and GIS mapping. There are countless software options for my job and it depends on how much the department is willing to spend and the quality of their data. I taught myself Excel and Access and those are the 2 most useful programs for any kind of data in my opinion.
For querying raw data most of the work is in SQL. There are some programs available to turn these into windows based point and click queries but I tend to need more than the basic information that current software programs offer.
Best of luck with your studies! There are many different avenues to pursue with a stats background. Enjoy!!
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Oh cool – a fellow numbers geek. I am always going to think of you as Garcia because she’s so awesome and I could watch that show forever
I’m into SQL and Excel and Access and VBA too, and am just now branching out into R and Python. Thanks for the tips on SPSS and GIS Mapping – those sound like my next steps after R.
And this is so true – “depends on how much the department is willing to spend and the quality of their data”. When I was working for the government (in education), data quality/availability and management’s inclination to improve both were always the biggest obstacles.
Thanks for the advice and good luck to you going forward!
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Adding to the point about quality of data. I’m in a slightly different position of working with data, but the issue I almost always come across is multiple data sets which don’t easily speak with eachother. The data runs are easy once you have the data set in place, but putting that together (and negotiating to get all the data that you need so you can do so) can take months.
At my last job, we starting trying to pull together a data set in February. It’s August now, and I don’t think they have an ETA yet. So patience and negotiation skills are still critical for the number crunchers & analysts.
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That is such a wonderful post. Congratulations for having the courage to ask for what you’re worth. I only hope I can be so brave when it is time to renegotiate my government contract.
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Oh, congratulations! I’m so happy for you! Yay!
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Congratulations! I’m always impressed by people that can stand up for themselves in situations like these. It’s something that I have always struggled with. Well done!
Since you’re used to living on a third less, you’ll be able to save like crazy.
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Congratulations!! What a wonderful story.
No lifestyle inflation!! Throw an extra $ 1000 towards your student loans and save the rest for a house!! Your goals can be met so much faster now!!
Enjoy!
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Well done, ask and you receive – it also means you are worth it!
Now you can move to the next stage of calling the shots and being your own boss. I wrote an ebook on how to do it:“when opportunity knocks answer the door” (http://goo.gl/kiHcV)
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This is such great news and I am surprised by the salary they offered you. I had no idea government jobs could be so flexible—though I am sure not all of them are.
I remember why my husband was offered a job at a very big, very well-known company that makes TONS of money. They didn’t offer him much more than his current position—maybe 3-4K more at the time—but he would have an enormous commute that would probably force him to drive and negate any difference in salary. He had nothing to lose so he countered at a salary $25,000 more than they were offering. They said no, that was the set amount.
Two weeks later they called him up again, telling him that he had the best portfolio that they had seen and that no one had even come close in terms of exciting ideas. The asked him if they would reconsider—but refused to offer up any more money. Their loss, I guess.
My point is if anyone is ever in the position where they are at the very least comfortable in their current job, ALWAYS ask for more if you’re seeking new employment. You have nothing to lose.
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Yes. When you considering a new job that is the time to negotiate. If she couldn’t negotiate a higher salary, it didn’t seem worth changing jobs (lower insurance costs but higher/longer commute and losing 8 1/2 years towards vesting).
That is crazy that big company not negotiating.
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Around here, you would have something to lose & that is the first offer they made you.The police make around $9 an hour here & the village administrator makes $45,000 . There are about a 100 people to take your place if you don’t want the job offered here.There aren’t many jobs even open here.
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Congrats Robin and thanks for the follow up! Lots of luck in your new job!
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Congrats Robin! This is a great post and a good reminder to ask for what we need.
As far as what to do with the extra money, I would first set aside some money for a small emergency fund if you don’t have one already. I would then put all of your extra money toward your student loan debt. It is such a good feeling to get rid of the debt, and getting rid of the debt will give you more flexibility.
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Congratulations!!! Go read the Automatic Millionaire now!!! http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/10/23/book-review-the-automatic-millionaire/
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Wow, congratulations!
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I just want to add my congrats! That’s really exciting and I’m so happy for you! Did you practice what you would say with another person before you went in for the negotiation?
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Ash- I went over and over it with friends and they were brutal! They asked questions like “why do you think you deserve THAT much?” or “don’t you think we can hire someone else for less than that??”
It was an experience and I’m glad I did it. Still, I don’t think I’ll ever be comfortable with negotiating when it comes to money.
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Congrats Robin! That’s a huge chunk of change
Time to build up savings
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