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		<title>By: rosarugosa</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/09/25/how-to-pick-the-best-darned-account/comment-page-1/#comment-3013982</link>
		<dc:creator>rosarugosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the videos and felt bad that I wasn&#039;t able to access the comments yesterday. Did others have the same experience?  I suspect that&#039;s why there are so few comments.   DH actually watched a personal finance video with me because he didn&#039;t want to miss out on the source of my mirth :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the videos and felt bad that I wasn&#8217;t able to access the comments yesterday. Did others have the same experience?  I suspect that&#8217;s why there are so few comments.   DH actually watched a personal finance video with me because he didn&#8217;t want to miss out on the source of my mirth <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/09/25/how-to-pick-the-best-darned-account/comment-page-1/#comment-3012262</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so the article says that the employer simply has to have a 401k available, but the IRS tax forms seem to indicate that you actually need to participate... 

I&#039;m looking forward to having this clarified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so the article says that the employer simply has to have a 401k available, but the IRS tax forms seem to indicate that you actually need to participate&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to having this clarified.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that a rugby ball in the background :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that a rugby ball in the background <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately GRS remains stuck in &quot;basic&quot; mode with information available to anyone who has read any of the many Intro to Financial Planning books.  How about talking about the interaction of asset allocation in Roths vs. traditional tax-deferred accounts?   How a traditional pension affects this decision (i.e. the fact that lower tax brackets will be filled with pension in retirement)?  I little bit of &quot;intermediate&quot; posts would be welcome on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately GRS remains stuck in &#8220;basic&#8221; mode with information available to anyone who has read any of the many Intro to Financial Planning books.  How about talking about the interaction of asset allocation in Roths vs. traditional tax-deferred accounts?   How a traditional pension affects this decision (i.e. the fact that lower tax brackets will be filled with pension in retirement)?  I little bit of &#8220;intermediate&#8221; posts would be welcome on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/09/25/how-to-pick-the-best-darned-account/comment-page-1/#comment-3012152</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While someone can likely give you free advise on this, I&#039;d highly recommend consulting a tax professional. Don&#039;t want to end up with a big tax bill and penalties from IRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While someone can likely give you free advise on this, I&#8217;d highly recommend consulting a tax professional. Don&#8217;t want to end up with a big tax bill and penalties from IRS.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You touched on a subject that was the source of much frustration at the beginning of this year. My wife&#039;s employer offers a 401k plan but is not currently matching any contributions. As a result, we see no reason for us to participate in that plan (and haven&#039;t) since the investment choices are poor.

We have been fully funding two Roth IRAs (hers and mine) for the past few years. However, this year I thought about changing her investments to a traditional IRA instead of Roth to hedge our tax bets.

That is when I was looking into eligibility requirements for deducting traditional IRA contributions. The problem I was running into is that IRS documents typically say that the contributions are not deductible if you are &quot;covered&quot; by a 401k. What does &quot;covered&quot; mean? Does that mean that a 401k plan is AVAILABLE to you? Or, does it mean that you PARTICIPATE IN / CONTRIBUTE TO a 401k plan? In this article, you contend that it is the former.

If I remember correctly, there is only one place in the IRS documentation where I could find a little more clarity. There, it says that you can&#039;t deduct your contributions to a traditional IRA if Box 13 (retirement plan) is checked on your W-2.

If you look at the IRS instructions for W-2 forms, you find the following:

Box 13 is supposed to be checked &quot;if the employee was an &#039;active participant&#039; (for any part of the year) in.... A qualified pension, profit-sharing, or stock-bonus plan described in section 401(a) (including a 401(k) plan).&quot;

The next paragraph of the instructions states the following:

&quot;Generally, an employee is an active participant if covered by (a) a defined benefit plan for any tax year that he or she is eligible to participate in or (b) a defined contribution plan (for example, a section 401(k) plan) for any tax year that employer or employee contributions (or forfeitures) are added to his or her account.&quot;

Based on my interpretation, I think you have to PARTICIPATE / CONTRIBUTE to a 401k plan to be ineligible to deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since my wife has never contributed to her 401k, I think we can deduct our contributions to a trad. IRA since we also meet the income limits.

However, I am looking for additional opinions. Do you ahve any additional information to add to this discussion, Robert?

This is critical for me as we decided to fully fund a traditional IRA for my wife this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touched on a subject that was the source of much frustration at the beginning of this year. My wife&#8217;s employer offers a 401k plan but is not currently matching any contributions. As a result, we see no reason for us to participate in that plan (and haven&#8217;t) since the investment choices are poor.</p>
<p>We have been fully funding two Roth IRAs (hers and mine) for the past few years. However, this year I thought about changing her investments to a traditional IRA instead of Roth to hedge our tax bets.</p>
<p>That is when I was looking into eligibility requirements for deducting traditional IRA contributions. The problem I was running into is that IRS documents typically say that the contributions are not deductible if you are &#8220;covered&#8221; by a 401k. What does &#8220;covered&#8221; mean? Does that mean that a 401k plan is AVAILABLE to you? Or, does it mean that you PARTICIPATE IN / CONTRIBUTE TO a 401k plan? In this article, you contend that it is the former.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, there is only one place in the IRS documentation where I could find a little more clarity. There, it says that you can&#8217;t deduct your contributions to a traditional IRA if Box 13 (retirement plan) is checked on your W-2.</p>
<p>If you look at the IRS instructions for W-2 forms, you find the following:</p>
<p>Box 13 is supposed to be checked &#8220;if the employee was an &#8216;active participant&#8217; (for any part of the year) in&#8230;. A qualified pension, profit-sharing, or stock-bonus plan described in section 401(a) (including a 401(k) plan).&#8221;</p>
<p>The next paragraph of the instructions states the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Generally, an employee is an active participant if covered by (a) a defined benefit plan for any tax year that he or she is eligible to participate in or (b) a defined contribution plan (for example, a section 401(k) plan) for any tax year that employer or employee contributions (or forfeitures) are added to his or her account.&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on my interpretation, I think you have to PARTICIPATE / CONTRIBUTE to a 401k plan to be ineligible to deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since my wife has never contributed to her 401k, I think we can deduct our contributions to a trad. IRA since we also meet the income limits.</p>
<p>However, I am looking for additional opinions. Do you ahve any additional information to add to this discussion, Robert?</p>
<p>This is critical for me as we decided to fully fund a traditional IRA for my wife this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I read this, because I didn&#039;t realize my husband qualified to contribute to a regular IRA as well as a Roth.  (His current employer does not cover his retirement.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I read this, because I didn&#8217;t realize my husband qualified to contribute to a regular IRA as well as a Roth.  (His current employer does not cover his retirement.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the videos. Great Job Robert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the videos. Great Job Robert!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike @ Wealthy Turtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike @ Wealthy Turtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A key point to remember when evaluating a 401(k) compared to an IRA is employer match.  If your employer matches a percentage of your contributions you&#039;d be giving up free money by not participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A key point to remember when evaluating a 401(k) compared to an IRA is employer match.  If your employer matches a percentage of your contributions you&#8217;d be giving up free money by not participating.</p>
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