This post is by new staff writer Honey Smith.
One of my goals in taking a hard look at my budget is not to do too much at once. I want to make sure my changes stick and avoid making repaying debt an obsession.
You can read about the first budget category I examined, life insurance, here. That one tiny change ended up being instrumental in my quest to pay off my credit card debt, which was very exciting.
Also in that post, I mentioned that some of the “extra” money I squeezed out of my monthly budget was the $40 adult allowance I give myself.
Some of the money gets spent on things like going to the used-book store or buying a new article of clothing from Goodwill. However, about half of this cash allowance is reliably spent on one of my weaknesses: food. Namely, bagels (not grocery store bagels, bagel-shop bagels).
Alternatives to bagel-shop bagels
Astute readers pointed out in the comments that there must surely be a less expensive way to indulge my bagel habit (which, actually, is more of a cream cheese habit — I am addicted to the jalapeno-flavored cream cheese at this particular chain). Indeed, this is the case:
- I could buy day-old bagels from the bagel shop
- I could buy grocery store brand bagels
- I could make my own bagels
I could buy the flavored cream cheese from the bagel shop by the tub- I could make my own jalapeno-flavored cream cheese
I will probably actually try making my own bagels at some point, more because I am a hobby chef than anything else. Sadly, buying the flavored cream cheese by the tub at the bagel shop is not an option, since this is the ONLY FLAVOR they don’t sell this way. Presumably this is the case because only lunatics from the Southwest eat jalapenos for breakfast. (Actually, if I could put jalapenos in everything, I probably would.)
However, I could probably halve my bagel costs using some or all of the strategies above. But as J.D. has pointed out many times, it’s more about the mind than it is about the math. To get to the bottom of my bagel budget, I have to ask myself: why do I buy bagels from the bagel shop in the first place?
What bagels mean to me
Yes, fresh-made bagels and zesty cream cheese are delicious. But there are other reasons I frequent this shop. First, it gets me out of the office for a bit during the nicest part of the day. Second, it feels like a luxury to have something hot and fresh I did not make — for less than $3 a pop.
On the other hand, there are also reasons that I bring my breakfast to work most mornings. It is obviously less expensive to have instant oatmeal or some Greek yogurt. Additionally, those options are significantly healthier than the bagel. (Both the Greek yogurt I like and the instant oatmeal I use have about half as many calories as the bagel alone. Lord knows how many calories are in the cream cheese, since they know me by name at the shop and usually give me extra!)
In other words, it’s not just my wallet that says “don’t buy a bagel every day.” My waistline agrees. And, as it turns out, that’s EXACTLY the reason I want them to stay a somewhat-expensive indulgence. That, and I want to avoid frugality burnout.
If I spend half my monthly allowance on bagels, that’s $5 per week. At slightly less than $3 per slice of heaven bagel with cream cheese, I can enjoy toasted goodness 1.6 times per week. This means that sometimes I have only one bagel per week, and never more than two. If I decreased the cost of each bagel, what would probably happen?
I’d say to myself, “Oh, goodie! I can eat more bagels!”
Yes, the appropriate personal-finance-blogger thing to say is that I’d pocket that extra $10 per month and snowflake it into debt repayment. I know myself, however, and that’s not what would happen. Instead, I am deliberately keeping my bagels expensive in order to erect a passive barrier to eating so many.
I hadn’t explicitly thought of it this way prior to writing this post, but it’s what I’ve been doing subconsciously all along. I’m creating a balance between how expensive bagels are, the value I get out of the experience of eating one, and what a poor nutritional choice they are.
To me, $20 a month balances the financial scales quite nicely — without tipping the literal scales too far in a direction I don’t want to go.
Other indulgences
Once I did think of it this way, it occurred to me that there are probably other indulgences that I could take the same approach to. What about beer?
Currently, I have a beer most nights after I get home from work. Because I like craft microbrews, on average we are probably talking $7.99 plus tax per six pack. At one six pack a week, that’s about $35 per month.
Under the current system, each beer costs about $1.33. However, I’m also drinking that beer alone at my house. Ironically, probably while watching The Bachelor or The Biggest Loser. I’m also consuming 24 of them per month. Hello, calories and antisocial lameness!
Now let’s say I take that $35 per month out of the grocery budget and give it to myself as allowance, to be spent on happy hours with friends. A craft bottle or draft costs about $4 during happy hour, which becomes $5 or so when you include the tip. Now for the same amount of money, I am drinking seven beers per month.
Whoa. That’s a 70 percent reduction in the number of beers consumed, plus in this scenario I am getting out of the house and being more social. Is it the most frugal choice? No. But it doesn’t increase my costs either, and is healthier all the way around. I’ll take it.
What about you?
What’s your favorite small splurge? Pumpkin spice lattes (I don’t drink coffee but hear they’re out of this world)? Energy drinks? Movies at the theater? Are you always scouting the absolute best deal on every single purchase, or is there merit in the idea that by keeping something on the expensive side, it stays a rare treat? Call me a nosy pepper — jalapeno business!
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I think it’s smart to balance the effect on your wallet versus the effect on your health or waistline. I don’t buy ice cream to keep in my freezer. I don’t make it at home, even though I have all the equipment and know-how. It’s a lot cheaper–both calorie-wise and dollar-wise–if I buy an occasional cone from a shop. Yes, I could buy a gallon of the stuff for the same cost as two single cones. But then I’d be eating a gallon a month instead of two single cones.
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I used to do the same thing with cake or pie. There are plenty of bakeries in my area that sell individual slices or individual servings for $2-$3. It was a nice treat!
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We are the exact same way with ice cream! If we are really craving it, we just go to the store and buy a small container of really good stuff or we go to Culver’s or Dairy Queen and get single portions.
Sure, we could buy a big package at the store on sale to keep at the house. But then we would just eat it all the time and get fat. That is definitely not the goal! I don’t like bagels but I understand why Honey doesn’t want to buy a megapack of bagels and just pig out at home. Plus, you just have to treat yourself sometimes…..
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LOL @ “pig out” LOL LOL LOLZZZZ
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I am good at not buying ice-cream at the super market…….I just wish my husband was the same. His Blue Bunny Ice-cream and Costco choc-chip cookies just keep calling to me from the freezer!!! I think I eat them up just to stop them from calling to me all the time.
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For health and weight reasons I stopped buy Ben & Jerry’s in the grocery store. Instead, I buy Brigham’s (a New England brand). I don’t know if Brigham’s is any cheaper, but they’re sold in larger containers. This is key – if I have to scoop the ice cream into a bowl then I can more deliberately limit the amount I eat in one sitting. The Ben & Jerry’s containers are smaller, and I usually just eat right out of the container. While watching TV. Hello mindless snacking on a calorie laden, fat-filled treat?
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My problem with that would be talking myself out of having three bowls. I have a weakness for sweets. I have to protect myself from myself sometimes!!!!! =)
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Ice cream isn’t filling on its own, so I’ve designed a ritual to feel satisfied. I use a special sunday cup, and have a glass of ice water with it, and I try to avoid distractions while eating. It’s more satisfying this way, and seconds are way less interesting.
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I buy the tiny single-serve skinny cow cups. Its like 5 ounces and 150 calories. But I still buy them one at a time so I don’t eat too many of them! Lately I’ve been tempted to institute a new “rule” where I have to walk to the store to buy sweets like that. The mile walk would burn at least some of the calories! =)
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My problem is that no matter the size of the container, every container is a single-size portion.
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Plus the quality of ice cream from a local mom & pop shop will be far better than some mass produced Costco tub of ice cream.
I rather split a scoop once every couple of months than go through a gallon in one weekend (if its in my freezer!)
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Great analysis of your bagel habit. I like your idea of cutting back to once or twice a week instead of completely cutting it out of the budget. Sometimes we all need that little treat to get us through a tough week! Maybe you can find a bagel buddy so you can enjoy a half bagel 3 or 4 times a week.
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My small indulgences are food as well. No matter how tight the budget I have always bought good (i.e. expensive) stinky cheese. None of that stuff from a can. If I can’t afford the real thing then I go without.
The other is chocolate. Not that an m’n'm can’t do in a pinch, but the artisian chocolate is sooooo much better. Luckily for me, my favorite chocolate shop is 40 minutes away so I only indulge about 5 times per year.
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A wise friend of mine once said: don’t sweat the CTs (cheap thrills).
You don’t live to save; you save to live.
My weakness isn’t a cheap one, unfortunately. It’s football. I never go to a game and we buy no gear, but it’s the only reason we’re not in the “cut the cord” brigade of savers. Our Dish bill is $77 per month because I opt for the package that includes the NFL Channel. We eat out less and forgo other things, but until there’s a cheaper fix, we’re stuck with the Dish bill…
Compared to that, your bagel & beer thing is just fine.
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That is exactly why we caved to basic cable after a lifetime without. Once the tv went to digital, our regular antenna got terrible reception (even in a major city). The games would glitch and distort. And of course, more games were available on cable. So we got it, along with higher speed internet (which is great, but wouldn’t have convinced us on its own).
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You are making me long for a bagel from Bruegger’s, which I haven’t eaten since I moved away from Tucson 15 years ago. TASTY.
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Same for me, but with Comcast. I have the Digital Preferred plan, which I think costs about $20 a month more than the next-lowest plan, Digital Starter. The ONLY channels I regularly watch that I wouldn’t get with the cheaper plan are NFL Network and IFC. But I can’t make myself give it up!
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My husband has literally never lived without ESPN. I convinced him to switch to the super basic cable package when he lost his job — we made it three months, and it was like he was going through withdrawal. We now have the $50/month DishNetwork package plus the extra sports package. I hate to see what it is going to be when our promo period is over. But it is cheaper than him going to live sporting events, so I guess we are stuck with it!
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Here is the ultimate guide to making bagels at home. I was able to follow this with decent amount success.
http://www.seriouseats.com/2011/03/how-to-shape-and-make-bagels-at-home-recipe.html
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I agree with William, a small splurge won’t hurt your budget (just your waistline). Mine is a breast of fried chicken. We used to go every week with my bf when we were living in Guatemala and that means that I didn’t have to cook, we would take away and eat in the park, people-watch and chat for a while, and have a small helping of greasy comfort food instead of buying the whole chicken. $2 is a small price for all that!
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Pollo Campero is awesome.
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Wow, this comment had a bit of the Proustian Madeleine effect for me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_memory). It brings back such good memories from a service trip I took to Guatemala as a teenager. Now it seems like a lifetime ago when I was teenager. We had been living on black beans and tortillas for weeks. It was good but monotonous. One night for a treat we all went out to Pollo Campero’s for dinner. I don’t know if it was the change of pace or the quality of the chicken, but it was such a treat.
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I do think there’s merit to keeping something a special treat; however, I think if you’re consuming something frequently – like the beer everyday- it’s not a special treat.
As far as whether you should buy special treats & how to divvy up the extra expense and all that- it just all depends on whether the $$ you’re allocating toward it is truly extra $$ you don’t need in my opinion. If you can really afford to buy the treats & pay for all your bills, go for it. Because the problem with ‘special treats’ is that if you’re indulging in them frequently enough, they add up over the course of months and years to hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I most often stick to oatmeal, cereal, & Miller Lite for that reason.
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I stopped drinking beer at home after writing this post, actually!
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I’d rather hang myself than drink Miller Lite, its horrific. Oatmeal, cereal and Miller Lite sounds like barely living. I’ve never liked wine, thank god for micro-beer movement, variety is awesome. Once you have had a beer where each sip is a lingering flavor blissful moment its hard to back to the crud of previous generations. It makes me want to dry different varities, yum yum. Don’t need to drink a lot either, you have to pick and choose and do it in moderation.
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And Miller Lite, oatmeal, and cereal all together at once sounds uber-horrific!
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So, you don’t like Miller Lite, but you don’t have to be rude about it and make someone feel lesser for liking it. Sorry, but I dislike snobs more than I dislike “crappy” beer.
I’ve taken to drinking “crappy” beer, mainly because I literally can’t stomach the strength of most micro-brews, at least the ones that make it into my fridge when my husband buys them. IPAs – blech! I also can’t figuratively stomach the price difference.
My compromise is to rarely drink beer at all.
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Oh good. Nothing better than a holier-than-thou beer snob to help the conversation.
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I don’t see anything wrong with enjoying a bagel once in a while. Everyone needs an outlet, and your happens to be this cream cheese. You could ask the shop if they could make you a pint a week, or however much they sell the other types by, and they would most likely do it.
My weakness would be computer games, I buy about 1 every other month. However, since I have started a blog I haven’t had much time for games so perhaps I will no longer be doing that.
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Great read Honey.
I think the bottom line here to go quality over quantity.
Most of the time you also appreciate something more when you pay more for it (especially when it causes you to enjoy it less often due to budget restrictions).
I have to admit $40 a month adult allowance seems extremely low. I really take my hat off to you if you manage to keep in line with that.
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I’m a specialty-coffee gal. Your reasoning is pretty much exactly the same as mine – I allow myself one latte per week, for both budgetary and waistline reasons. At $3-4 a pop, they’re not exactly a “good deal,” but they’re not breaking the bank either.
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That’s my indulgence, too. I go to a place that has $1.00 off coupons frequently so I have a stash of those and never pay full price. They also have a rewards card where after 9 punches you get a freebie. I always go on Monday, which is double punch day so it takes me half the time to get a freebie. And I also bought one of their reusable cups (with a birthday gift card) that gives me a quarter off each drink. As long as my weight stays below my “redline,” I feel financially okay about my weekly indulgence.
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My Wednesday afternoon iced mocha from McDonald’s is probably to coffee drinkers what Miller Lite is to micro brew drinkers, but I like it. And I can use a punch card to buy 4 and get the 5th free. Wednesday is my really long day and the caffeine and chocolate take me to a happy place.
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I think we can all look at eachother and find areas to judge/critique when it comes to finances. But man, you like your bagels. And your bagel thing fits in your monthly budget. Like JD says, budgets are more than just money. Unless you start spending hundreds every month of bagels, I say have at it! I mean, right now you’re shopping for clothes at goodwill… I think a couple bagels are acceptable.
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I definitely do the same with my splurges, especially the food ones. I’d just rather enjoy something spectacular and slightly more costly every now and again than have a constant, cheaper source at home that I don’t enjoy as much.
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seems like an awful lot of thought for a relatively small habit. And lots of words. Why not just cut the times you get the bagel in half: one bagel every day becomes every other day, 2x a week becomes 1 time. There, you have cut your cost in half. Also, you may not be able to buy a whole tub of cream cheese, but I would imagine that most bagel places would put the cream cheese in a separate container. so you could probably make the cream cheese go for at least two bagels, if not three…
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I disagree. This is actually a very J.D.-ish post; Honey is getting into the WHY of two of her habits, and WHY (aside from a few dollars) change might be desirable. That takes thought to achieve, and words to articulate.
This isn’t about the cheapest way to enjoy a bagel. It’s about why she needs the bagel. Very few of us successfully change a habit without understanding why we’ve maintained the habit.
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It is like the shopoholic of yesterday…..same need for thrills in life….we all want them. Just have to figure out how to have them without spending money , making you fat or illegal. I think there is an old song that goes with this. Maybe we need this as a question posting…..what are your cheap, non-fatning, legal thrills?
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Also, if you haven’t noticed, people were slamming her about buying bagels CONSTANTLY.
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Honey, your post made me smile! When I was in university, there was an amazing bagel shop on the corner. A lunch out with friends once a week , a half dozen bagels a couple of times of month and the occasional container of cream cheese were well worth the sacrifices elsewhere in the budget.
I think it’s nice to enjoy a few simple pleasures in the budget. IMHO, it’s only a waste if we take them for granted.
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I do this with chocolate croissants. For about six months in college, I went to a bakery around the corner from our university building and had a chocolate croissant every day at lunch for 1€. Not an expensive habit, really, but I did gain a lot of weight! Now I treat myself to a chocolate croissant or ice cream once a week or so, at 1-3€ a pop. It is a nice treat! I thinks it’s nice to keep certain expenses as treats or splurges, assuming the experience or the quality is what you enjoy about it.
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Being a bagel lover too, I’m just glad you’re not doing the trendy low-carb thing. Ugh. What a buzzkill when I’m with friends and they refuse anything with carbs but I REALLY WANT AN AWESOME BAGEL and I feel all self conscious about it.
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Kay,
Just wait until you’re 40 and then see how you feel about carbs.
Honey’s post reminded me of being in my 20s when I would eat bagels and drink microbrews. *sigh* Then along came my 30s and they brought with them weight gain. It was bye bye bagels, beer, and hello low carb.
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haha, eat ye bagels while ye may.
I used to love awesome bagels; I went low carb as an experiment, out of curiosity, and what I found was that BAGEL = MASSIVE ALL DAY SUGAR CRASH. I don’t even like them anymore, because I feel so icky when I eat them.
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Yes, exactly. I adore carbs, and if someone had told me in my youth that by my early 30s I would be sticking to moderate to low glycemic foods, I would have wanted to kill myself. Yet here I am in my 40s…much much healthier, and still at college weight.
Sometimes it SERIOUSLY sucks, though, so I do spurge occasionally. Usually on fresh baked bread.
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I really appreciate this point of view. It really helps drive home the point that living a financially smart life is so much more than counting your pennies at the end of every bagel. You are obviously in the dawn of a very long haul. Finding a good balance between being frugal and still enjoying life is going to be critical for you. You definitely comprehend this and are doing a great job of conveying your thoughts on this important balance. Thanks for the thoughts!
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Does the bagel shop have frequent buyer cards? Or can you haunt Living Social and Groupon for coupons? What about buying gift cards to the bagel shop from a site like Gift Card Granny- where you buy a GC for much cheaper than it’s face value? You can also ask your husband for bagle shop GCs for Christmas and birthdays.
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Sadly, the location I frequent doesn’t accept gift cards. But I am doing ok within my own budget!
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I think that building small splurges like bagels into a budget is a way to protect against budget busting big splurges. At least for me, I use my once a week coffee house latte as mental leverage when I see some pricy boots or jewelry etc. “Self, I know you want nice things, but I can’t buy those. Tomorrow is fancy coffee day, I can splurge then.”
It’s something I’ve actually tried to do more often after reading this GRS article: http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/04/14/how-to-spend-your-way-to-happiness-part-one/
Tip 3: Buy fewer expensive pleasures in favor of more inexpensive ones
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I never thought about talking myself out of an actually expensive purchase by buying a bagel. But it would totally work with me
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Hah! I just did something like this in the cafeteria at work! I was sorely tempted to get the baked macaroni and cheese… I LOVE macaroni and cheese! But, I knew it was bad for me. Plus, the other night I gave in and bought a box of Kraft macaroni and cheese (I like both homemade and processed mac & cheese). So, I remembered that I have left over Kraft, and I told myself, “No. You’ll have something bad for you tonight for dinner. Stick with the healthy lunch and you can have the bad dinner tonight!”
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A very thoughtful post! It points out a new way of thinking about spending. I’m going to have to keep that in mind next time I’m tempted to buy a giant tub of ice cream.
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Funny that you mention Pumpkin Spice lattes, Honey! Last month, I got a manual milk frother for my birthday, so I could make lattes and cappuccinos at home.
Then a couple of weeks ago, I was in a Williams-Sonoma (for the first time in several years!) and discovered they had pumpkin syrup. I bought a bottle for $11, and have made lattes for myself on the weekends.
Very easy, and relatively inexpensive. But the syrup is disappearing quickly! So I googled “pumpkin latte syrup recipes” and when I run out of the syrup, I’m going to try and make some myself.
This sort of thinking and action is a process, and each new decision (like your determination about beer at home) is a victory. You’re changing how you think about things you used to take for granted, and that is a very powerful lever for the long run success. Congrats!
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I bought a milk frother too! $20. And now no more $3 green teas w/ steamed milk from coffee shop. I also bought a ceramic carrying mug, so much more eco-friendly than takeout tea.
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Honey, you are way over-thinking your “indulgence” budget. If you are comfortable with the $40 per month, then keep it simple. One example is to use a simple envelope system. Buy whatever you want (beer, bagel, etc..) and when the 40 dollars runs out, then wait for next month. This system can work with categories like groceries, dining-out, etc.
My point is, if you over complicate these small things like bagel and beer, you will not be able to stick to a workable long term budget. You need to look at the big picture. Simplify the budget for small items and focus your time and energy on big ticket expenses, paying down debt and new income streams.
These are examples on where you need to spend your time and energy on.
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/05/02/how-to-build-a-better-budget/
http://www.freemoneyfinance.com/2012/10/how-to-quickly-manage-your-diversification.html
http://www.freemoneyfinance.com/2012/10/best-ways-to-make-extra-money-sell-products.html
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I don’t think she’s overcomplicating things – I really liked this article. Pretty clearly the beer money is separate from the mad money. For my husband and me, beer and wine are in the food budget.
I’m not sure that switching the beer habit to less frequent social outings will work the same way as the bagel does. There’s nothing wrong with a beer at the end of the day if that’s what helps you unwind. You may need to find a cheaper beer (or start brewing your own!) to unwind with each night. And then once or twice a month go out with friends. Or you may decide it’s not worth it and go back to your favorite craft beer. I’m looking forward to seeing how you make out on the beer front.
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I completely agree with all of your points and really liked the article as well (I have my own bagels and beer budget conundrum).
However, I would never recommend home brewing to anyone who’s looking to save money. Recurring costs and equipment purchases just seem to explode as you get more into it, plus you’ll find yourself buying more and more expensive beers for inspiration and comparison to your ever evolving recipes. It starts by wanting to brew a micro quality house beer to feed to your friends on the cheap and ends with a me bottling a bourbon barrel aged imperial stout last night.
Trust me, don’t start home brewing to save money, do it for the craft.
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Agreed! If I could add another point – if you mess up, you’re out quite a bit in ingredients that will just have to be dumped.
When I was in college, it seemed like I knew of at least one person every year who wanted to brew their own beer. They did it “to save money,” but the time, effort, etc., that goes into it isn’t a cost-effective plan!
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I don’t know, my husband and I definitely save money by homebrewing. Most beer we like runs at least $40/case (usually more like $60+), and after the initial equipment investment (which was about $75 I believe), we buy the brew kits from our local homebrew store for about $50 and get about 2.5 cases of beer per batch.
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Unless- you can turn your hobby into your career. My ex-husband started brewing at home “to save money.” (hah) He was an artist/musician/stay at home dad. He got pretty good at brewing and is now a professional brewer. He’s not going to be a millionaire, but he loves his job and makes a whole lot more than he ever did before.
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I think part of it is also that people were giving her a lot of flack for her bagel habit in the comments on her previous article. So I saw this as continuing the conversation, if you will. People pointed out something (bagels) that they thought could use some reevaluating, and this article was her reevaluating them and deciding that while the bagels worked for her, her beer drinking could use some revision.
I think that it makes sense to take the occasional look at our indulgences to see if they’re working for us in the way that we want, both psychologically and financially.
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I don’t know about Honey, but it really helps me to pull out very specific things in the budget as much as possible. I separate out eating out, groceries, and work lunches because that makes it far easier to guess how much I will/should spend.
I think that if you’re trying to control something specific, it’s far better to make your budget specific for that thing.
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I make automatic transfers of amounts I need to save and pay, though, my bills are really simple (rent, student loan, hulu/netflix, savings).
I know I get paid on the 10th and 25th of each month.
I monitor the amounts to make sure my auto-transfers will clear, but I do what I want with the rest.
Sometimes it we need garden supplies, or its film festival month, or we’re hosting a b-day party or 4th of July. I have no credit card so I cannot live beyond my means (save for defaulting I guess).
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If you made your own flavored cream cheese, you could make roasted garlic jalapeño.
[crap, this was supposed to post as a reply to the OP]
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I use the same trick with ice-cream. A pint of Ben & Jerry’s at the store, especially on sale, is manageable. However, I will either eat the pint in 1 sitting, or at most, over the course of three days. Instead, I allow myself ice-cream at my neighborhood ice-cream store every once in a while, generally with a friend. The per serving cost is more expensive, but it keeps me from over-indulging and keeps me social!
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Fortunately, I cannot eat ice cream! But the principle is the same
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So where does the beer fit into the budget? It’s not in the “adult allowance”, because $35 per month spent on beer would be almost the entire $40 monthly allowance, leaving no room at all for bagels
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Isn’t beer a “want”?
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Honey said : “Now let’s say I take that $35 per month out of the grocery budget …”
So it seems like beer had been in the grocery budget.
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Oh Honey! Knowing you’re in AZ–makes my mouth water for Kilt Lifter, hands down..the best beer I’ve ever had. Plus, the dude who brews it offers an excellent Vikings experience, being from my home state. Numm-o. Give it a try if you haven’t. Tempe, Four Peaks.
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I’ve been to Four Peaks, I even got to go on a tour of the facility. Beer is interesting even when you’re not drinking it!
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You have got to be kidding me – - – This is the best GRS can come up with?
I want back the 5 minutes of my life it took me to read this.
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I love the reasoning in this article. When I drink at bars, I buy expensive drinks. It keeps me from having that “one last drink” that usually leaves me with a brutal hangover. It may cost me more on any given night than just buying cheap beers would, but it discourages me from drinking too much, and makes me think twice about going out drinking in the first place. Ironically, it helps me save money, and avoid hangovers!
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Cute article! My idea of heaven is so cliché — Starbucks — so I’m almost embarrassed to admit it. I love their mochas, the whipped cream on top, their scones … I love the coffee shop atmosphere. It’s definitely an expensive indulgence, but I don’t give myself grief about it.
A) It’s within the budget.
B) Brings me joy.
C) I’ll usually have it AS my lunch or dinner, not in addition to a lunch or dinner.
If you gotta have calories, why not enjoy the ones you take in? My philosophy, anyway.
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I like to indulge in a Starbucks iced coffee when I go to Barnes & Noble to sit in their cafe. Also a drugstore makeup item every month or two months when I wander in to fill a prescription. Enjoy those bagels~!
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Honey, this is a great article. Very thoughtful and thought-provoking. A very good example of mind vs math!!
I’ll keep an eye out for this sort of thing in my life. Starbucks recently increased the price of their double chocolate brownie, and I went from buying one once or twice a week to once or twice a month. And lost two pounds almost right away. Hmmm…
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For health, waistline and diet reasons, I don’t have many splurges (gluten intolerant and my doc has me off all grains), but the ones I do have I budget for. I must say the “budget” is more for the reasons listed above than how much money I spend because its impossible for me to spend a lot of money on certain indulges anyway.
Over the past few weeks I used my budget to purchase several Groupon, Living Social, Google Deals, Get My Perks and the Chinook Book 2013 coupons for places I know I’m going to use (most places I’ve been to before). The coupons are for coffee, wine tasting, a spirits/distillery festival, various restaurants, services, etc. All except for the Starbucks coupon are local business. Many of those will keep my occupied for a while and I purchased them with the goal to share with other people.
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I usually like Honey’s posts, but not this one. While I understand the reasoning of quality over quantity, it just came across as excuses to be lazy – I *could* make bagels, but I don’t want to; I *could* change my habits, but I’m happy with the way they are.
I’m okay if you do this with one or two small hobbies, but when you have as much debt as Honey does, I think you need to be stricter with yourself. $20 for bagels + $35 for beer each month is $660 a year (not to mention any other similar small habits she may have). It’s not thousands of dollars, but it’s certainly not chump change. Pick one habit to indulge in. Use major debt repayment milestones as another change to indulge, but save the rest until the debt is way smaller, when you’ve actually earned more small treats.
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I am sure I have many small splurges but a big one is driving my car to work rather than taking public transit. I only do it a few times a month, usually when I am running late. It is such a luxury to get behind the wheel that it keeps me from feeling too irritated with all the traffic congestion on the way!!
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I am liking Honey’s posts better and better all the time. I enjoyed this article. I don’t think she was “over-thinking” the beer and bagel issues. It’s the way we think about money and our spending habits that can help us or hurt us.
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Honey,
I thought this was your best article yet! Even if I don’t agree with your particular choices (bagels are great, but I don’t drink beer!) I love the notion of using small splurges to keep yourself on track with the big things, but making sure the small splurges are worth it TO YOU.
I do something similar in limiting myself to lunch out no more than once a week – it’s a break from packing my lunch that keeps me from getting bored and abandoning the practice entirely while still not doing too much damage to my wallet or waistline.
And when you want to make your own bagels, here’s the recipe I’ve had success with:
http://smittenkitchen.com/blog/2007/09/bronx-worthy-bagels/
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I liked this column! Nice analysis. As others have said, your bagel outings are a small indulgence and, as part of an overall budgeting/saving plan, it sounds like it works great! But, having said that, I have to add that making my own sandwich spreads at home is one of my favorite ways to spice up my home-made lunches. I bring a sack lunch to work every day. This week, I cooked up a batch of dried chickpeas and made hummous. Hummous with crunchy vegetables on good bread (adding meat, cheese or hot peppers for variety) makes a fantastic, delicious gourmet sandwich! It’s healthy and inexpensive, and I look forward to my lunch all morning. I also make a southwest black-bean spread, AND jalapeno cream cheese. Light cream cheese isn’t even that bad calorie-wise. Just something to consider, if you reach the point where you want to change up your routine.
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That cream cheese sounds yummy, I certainly would try it.
I don’t know if I posted this before, but I think you have to figure out if you are a moderator or an abstainer. Some people do better cutting out spending all together on certain weaknesses and some people do better moderating.
I am a moderator, Mr. Sam is an abstainer. What does that mean, we can’t have cookies in the house because he will eat the whole package while I can eat one a day.
I’m also a fan of the pumpkin spice latte from S’Bucks and then I move on to the Gingerbread one near the holidays. But I don’t habitually splurge on these types of purchases. I’ve been spending a lot of time reading about habits and I’ve come to the conclusion that I want to focus on developing and nurturing good habits for a variety of reasons, but bottom line, bad habits are hard to break.
So, if I am out with my boss or out with my mentee we might stop at S’Bucks. If I’m out with my mentee the coffee is paid by my work so double whoo-hoo. Or if I am out running errands I might grab a coffee or if I am up super early I will treat myself (today for example I was at Dunkin Donuts at 6 a.m. and at work at 6.30). But what I’m not going to do is to stop at S’Bucks or DD every day or even once a week on a particular day.
I AM a champion of the snowflaking. I found, when we were killing our $55,000+ in debt that paying a little towards the debt as often as I could became a habit, a good one, and it was something that I became highly excited an dedicated to, to the point that I would forego things like a bagel, or a coffee or lunch out so we could put another $20, $50, or $100 towards that debt.
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The bagel shop by my house does not sell the jalapeno cream cheese by the tub normally, but I asked and they put it in a tub for me. You should request it and see what they say.
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I take myself out to breakfast every Saturday morning. This indulgence serves two purposes. First, I am extremely busy and sometimes this Saturday morning ritual is the only space in my schedule left just for me. Its a chance for me to read a good book, people watch, surf the web, whatever I feel like at the time. Second, I just LOVE pancakes. But if I keep a bag of pancake mix at home I will eat them all the time (read: even for dinner; I have the same problem with cereal so I just don’t buy any). Eating breakfast out allows me to have my pancakes, but in a reasonable serving size. This indulgence is not especially thrifty, I usually spend $15 each week. But the service, atmosphere, and the fact that these are local businesses within a block of my front door, make the price totally worth it to me. And it definitely fits in my budget
Great article Honey! In my opinion, your best so far
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I agree, but I think the next step is to look at, when is it a small indulgence vs. when should you really cut back. A coworker of mine used to go out for coffee once a week. But then she liked it so much she started going every few days. Then it was almost every day. One day she realized she was spending upwards of $20 a week on coffee. It’s important to continuously examine the reason why you allow that indulgence, and have a gut check when it gets out of hand.
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Honey – I bet you could make your own jalapeno cream cheese, and it would probably come out just as good (I know you mentioned that in your list of “things you could do”). You could ask the bakery for a nutrition list for the cream cheese, which should show the ingredients, and you could go from that. (I mean, it’s probably just regular cream cheese, jalapenos, and spices, all blended together)
Of course, that would probably sabotage your waistline (as you also noted in your plan to eat less bagels), but….jalapeno cream cheese, whenever you want it!
Ok, I’m no help… I just like food too much.
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Wow, I really, really liked this article! I would like to see more articles about keeping things in balance like this.
My husband and I have been trying to sell our house in another state for over a year now, and we have finally decided to move back into the house, refinance and pay it down quickly. But we want to keep a balance in our lives and enjoy ourselves while we do this. In the past we have been very strict and aggressive about saving and neglected things that would have made life better (buying quality instead of cheap) and a little more fun. So how to keep the balance? We’re still trying to figure this out.
I tend to have an addictive personality, so I have a lot of trouble only doing things every so often instead of all the time. My tendency is for every penny to go to paying down the mortgage, but I know that isn’t a healthy balance. I also completely understand that a treat is not a treat if you do it every day, so I’m working on that too. There is so much more enjoyment if I only drink this beer (my favorite is New Belgium Fat Tire) once every two weeks instead of every night. I just have a hard time with the balance.
Please, more articles like this one! Great job, Honey!
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Just for the record, you are totally not the only one. I have the addiction gene and although my vices are limited to diet coke, chocolate, and eating out, it is REALLY hard (o.k., nearly impossible) to rein them in. The 1st one isn’t good for my health, the 2nd one isn’t good for my weight, and the 3rd one does a number on my budget. But even with this awareness, balance is hard.
The up side, though, is that the stuff I’m not so interested in (e.g., shopping) is stuff I’m totally not into. I guess it’s the silver lining to the addiction cloud.
BTW – jalapeno cream cheese – Honey, God bless you. If I liked it the way you do, I doubt I’d restrain myself to 1.6 X/week. No one would ever kiss me again.
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I really can understand your justification for one of life’s small and simple pleasures. Hey, you can’t help what makes you happy! For me its going out with friends on Friday night- I don’t think I’ll ever give that one up, its just what I need after a week of work. I think cutting back to 1.6 bagels per week is reasonable. And if they know you by name at the bagel shop, they should be kind enough to sell you a tub of your favorite cream cheese!
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Ours is taking our kids out for donuts on Saturday mornings. It’s fun, they enjoy it but it can add up in more ways than one. I know that if we were to cut it down to just once a month we could still have fun, but not spend the extra money and not add to our waistline at the same time.
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Food! We like to do a lot of home cooking. I just got $33.00 in bulk sized spices (oh thank god we have cumin again! And tonight the house will smell like chicken adobo). Right now we have some nice vanilla beans and mint extract with plans of making some ice cream (we’ve had a home made ice cream party before with 6+ ice creams and sorbets).
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We all have our treats but you’re so right, that the one way to keep them in the treat category is to only indulge once a week ish.
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Great post! I love the idea of timing splurges to get the most bang for your buck. My personal rule is to only indulge if I absolutely LOVE something. This goes for clothing (one of my vices) and for food (my other vice). I try to eat super healthy all week, and then allow myself one splurge on the weekend. But when I splurge, I get exactly what I want. Same goes for shopping. I rarely buy new clothes, except when I see something I absolutely love (which probably happens 4 or 5 times a year). Then I don’t mind spending extra on it. It seems to work for me!
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This question is for the other readers as well.
How do you keep track and stick to your overall budget if you have to analyze every little detail your purchase?
If I had to analyze the cost savings of having to buy 1.6 portion of bagel or investigate the cost benefits of $1.33 per bottle of craft beef to achieve 70% reduction , I would be mentally exhausted by the time I reach to chicken.
I get it that it is ok to spend money on indulgence. From what I got out of this article, Honey is over-analyzing on the wrong topic. She should use her analytic skills on the bigger picture and just enjoy the bagels and beer.
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For me, doing this kind of “analysis” can actually be kind of a fun challenge. If you are nerding out about paying down debt or saving more, there can be some reward just in discovering sneaky things that are busting your budget and then knocking them out. But that’s me. If you find that kind of monetary investigation exhausting, then I guess you have to go with what works for you (maybe the envelope system or something, where you focus more on the total amount, not really on where the dollars are going?). As for Honey, she said the bagels account for about half of her “allowance” so I don’t think it’s overanalysis when you look at it from that perspective. I think it’s great that she’s looking at the little things she can do to achieve the big-picture goal of finding a balance between saving money and enjoying life. And if she’s analyzing bagel and beer purchases this closely, that can only mean good things in terms of weighing bigger purchases more carefully.
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I definitely need to indulge in a little bit here and there. I’m not talking about extravagant things but since we generally save 40-50% of our income every month and rarely buy things, I feel as though I *need* to buy something here or there before I go crazy from withholding. I like to buy things once in awhile otherwise the feeling on constant deprivation starts to wear on me.
Food is definitely my poison—and I definitely allocate money toward our “eating out” budget, which is separate from our grocery budget.
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I understand your craving with bagels. I feel the same way when I see cakes, cupcakes, donuts, and muffins. They are very hard to resist! Even if I tell myself that we should stick on our budget, it is very difficult for me to say no to these pastries. As far as my waistline is concerned, I do not have any problem with it as weight gain is also difficult for me. LOL.
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