When I wrote last week’s post, I admit to feeling a bit pleased with myself when someone made a comment about wanting their furniture to all match (and thus free pile-ism was hard for them) now that they were fully adult. “Who cares!” I thought to myself. “That’s just the keeping-up-with-the-Joneses stuff the rest of you are talking about!”
And then Monday afternoon one of my husband’s friends came over with his wife. The house was an absolute disaster, as I’d been doing magazine business from morning ’til night four days straight, while my kids and husband (home on leave from the Middle East and therefore given a free pass on cleaning) fended for themselves in the messiest of ways. I had dumped things everywhere, including the adorable re-painted free-pile bar stool I was using as a drying rack for my wet raincoat. I saw the front porch and living room through their eyes — their tidy-condo-in-the-West-Hills-with-coordinated-Pottery-Barn-furniture eyes — and was crushed.
After they left, I reminded myself that I don’t particularly want or need to live up to their standards. I reminded myself that, in fact, there are a lot of reasons we don’t hang out that have nothing to do with my mismatched furniture and more to do with our mismatched interests and passions. But I felt a lot more empathy for that commenter.
And it occurred to me that we all have our Joneses.
I suppose that I am not, even post-husband’s-friend-detox, immune to the feeling that I must, through my spending, keep up with my friends. My Joneses do not care if I populate my dining room with all-different free-pile chairs; they do not look askance at me for my wardrobe, a mix of late 1990s investment banker fashion, thrift stores, free piles, and clothing swaps with a few hand-knits thrown in. If I do not have money to go to fancy restaurants when I am invited, I don’t mind saying so. They never ask me out for salon dates.
But I feel that, in order to hang with the people I love, I need to buy books.
I wring my hands and grind my teeth if I am sitting in the audience of a friend’s book reading without a brand-new copy of their book to get signed afterward. I can think of a number of times I have spent money that, really, I could not even afford not one bit, to buy a book so I could feel it between my hands and sit in my bed late at night reading it without finger-swiping or other electronic go-betweens.
For me, the Joneses are the Strayeds or the Almonds; people who are forever reading and talking about books and literary magazines and book signings and literary smack-downs. If you were being charitable, you could think of it as an investment in a rich literary life and the price of admittance to the supportive culture of art and words in which I long to spend my time. If you were not being so charitable, you could think of it the way I think of Pottery Barn furniture: as lovely, fashionable overspending.
Who are your Joneses?
Surely we all have our Joneses.
- A few good friends are knitting designers, and their Joneses are the Tinas and the Kays. They spend their money on sock clubs and limited-lot hand-dyed yarn and fiber festivals and patterns. They get back in lovely hand-knits, and the good company of creative men and women, and even make some money selling patterns or writing about knitting or dying yarn.
- Other good friends are into cyclo-cross. Their Joneses ride handmade bicycles and wear elegant mud boots. Each weekend in season is spent entering races and driving their bicycles to energizing, mud-splattered events. They get back health, camaraderie and the exhilaration of riding fast in the wild.
- Many of my friends are runners. Their Joneses spend hundreds on race entry fees, new shoes every three-to-six months, the very best in supportive undergarments, a variety of weird goos and bars. And for it, they get rocking bodies, runner’s highs and the knowledge that a marathon time is inviolate.
- I’m not a golfer, but I used to work with them, and this relaxed sport is one of the most stereotypical keeping-up-appearances activities. In certain circles, where you play, how often you play and who you play with are markers of your career success and your wealth.
When I think of my friends, I can see that so many of them are keeping up in more than one circle, even if on many levels they are not materialistic or consumer-driven. And yet three or four of my closest friends have paid a fifth friend a few thousand dollars for one of her handmade bicycles, not just because she is a friend everyone wants to support, but also (at least a little bit) because riding one of her bikes is a mark of being very serious about cycling, and being in a group that can afford her bicycles.
Other friends mark their group by their investment in arts or community-focused non-profits. There is a kind of nail-biting that I do when I look down the list of supporters for an organization I wish I could make the room in my budget to support, and I see many of my friends. I want to be on that list too!
In fact, charities can be some of the most flagrant groups of Joneses out there.
I’m currently putting in heavy hours of volunteer work for two separate non-profit organizations, so I feel a little guilty saying this. But charities are some of the most conspicuous consumption there is. If it’s not the list of donors (and their funding levels — you’re basically saying exactly how much you spent!) in the back of the program or on the website, it’s the swag. Here in Portland, you can’t see an Oregon Public Broadcasting coffee mug without knowing how much that person must have donated to support public radio. And the boards and executives running the charities know that a big part of giving is letting everyone else know that you gave. Just like your neighbors, and your fellow college alumni, etc.
There isn’t automatically something wrong with consuming in the same manner as your peer group.
When you find yourself faced with the realization — like me — that a whole category in your spending budget is about participating in some sort of group, think for a minute about how much this is really worth to you. Go through a check list and make sure you’re getting enough of a benefit to justify the expense.
- Does the activity improve your health, well-being or cultural literacy?
- Are the things you are buying really worth the money? Could you re-sell them (like golf clubs or bicycles)? If you intend to keep them always, do you have room for them?
- Are you sacrificing financial security to be a part of a group? Are you using credit or ignoring savings to make these purchases?
- Do you like the group and truly care about what its members think of you?
- Will these purchases really get you what you want (approval, membership, friends), or will there never be enough?
As long as you’re entering into the bargain with eyes open and credit card buttoned up, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with keeping up with some sorts of Joneses. We all want to belong. Be honest with yourself, though, and don’t worry about belonging to groups whose members you can do without. Like my husband’s friends, their minds were probably made up long ago, and a Pottery Barn couch, or a $1,000 donation to the opera foundation, is not going to change them.
And if it did, would you really want to be around them, anyway?
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Thank you so much for pointing out the money pit that is cyclocross. Riding is a big deal in my town too, though I haven’t had many friends pressure me into making the leap to it yet, but know that day isn’t far away. I’m still hanging onto my fixed gear. Finally, the manufacturers have figured out how to sell a bike that boasts the ridiculous expense of a road bike and necessitates the frequent replacement of components like a mountain bike.
Markup on cycling wear is often 60% and one of the most profitable parts of any shop. Discount jerseys and yes, discount retailers are where its at.
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As long as you are confident in yourself with who you are, then there is no urge to keep up with the Joneses. I play golf on a regular basis. I’m not the best at it and I don’t have the newest and most expensive equipment. I’m OK with this. Sometimes when I play with “the Joneses” they make comments that I just shrug off. I don’t let it bother me because I don’t want to be like them. I’m not saying they are bad people, I just don’t want to be consumed with looking the part.
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Keeping up with the Jonses is seeing their new car only to find out its a lease. Or wishing you had a house like theirs, only to find out they have no savings.
If we knew the whole story of our Jonses we may not want what they have. Because there is often baggage that we are unaware of.
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Excellent observation! I have a few friends who outwardly appear to be living the high life, yet they are always just one paycheck from disaster, and have nothing saved toward retirement! I can’t imagine living that way…..
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Couldn’t agree more – well said, Taryn. I’ve constantly been teased by passive-agressive “friends” or neighbors about material goods or even services, “You go to Great Clips for a haircut? Seriously?”
I often reply, “Yep and only when I have a $7.99 coupon.” Who pays $15 for a haircut anyway? Silly.
I’ve had neighbors ‘donate’ bags and bags full of clothes to me because of how ‘poorly’ dressed my kids are. Then one day (after a few beers) I let it slip to my neighbor, that the mortgage on my 2000 sq ft home was paid off. You should have seen the look on her face. I wish I hadn’t told her. I suspect she no longer feels superior to me.
You see, in the past, it worked to my advantage to let her assume that my husband and I were indeed inferior to her and her husband. I often gushed about the beautiful items she adorned her home with, their new cars (I pretended to be sooo jealous of), her husband’s six figure income. Why? because they subsidized my lifestyle by generously giving me their unwanted goods, clothing, bikes, etc.
But now I fear I may have blown it by opening my BIG mouth. I haven’t gotten a bag of clothes in months. My own stupid fault. Moral of the story: everyone you meet feels superior to you in some way. And if you understand how allowing them to feel that way benefits YOU, then, by all means, you should not only permit this behavior, but encourage it!
Don’t keep UP with the Joneses. Go through their trash and beg for their cast offs! Make them feel “rich” and “benevolent” while you actually become those things. If they want to see themselves as people who’ve been sent into your life to help you out of your poverty and misery – let them. It’s a great feeling indeed. I know because it’s the way I feel when I donate my time, talent, and money to truly worthy causes and organizations.
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Lying to people harms both of you.
First, they may have spent more due to your lies.
Second, your lies will result in karmic payback. 7734, if you believe in it.
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I’ve constantly been teased by passive-agressive “friends” or neighbors about material goods or even services, “You go to Great Clips for a haircut? Seriously?”
I often reply, “Yep and only when I have a $7.99 coupon.” Who pays $15 for a haircut anyway? Silly.
I’ve had neighbors ‘donate’ bags and bags full of clothes to me because of how ‘poorly’ dressed my kids are. Then one day (after a few beers) I let it slip to my neighbor, that the mortgage on my 2000 sq ft home was paid off. You should have seen the look on her face. I wish I hadn’t told her. I suspect she no longer feels superior to me.
You see, in the past, it worked to my advantage to let her assume that my husband and I were indeed inferior to her and her husband. I often gushed about the beautiful items she adorned her home with, their new cars (I pretended to be sooo jealous of), her husband’s six figure income. Why? because they subsidized my lifestyle by generously giving me their unwanted goods, clothing, bikes, etc.
But now I fear I may have blown it by opening my BIG mouth. I haven’t gotten a bag of clothes in months. My own stupid fault. Moral of the story: everyone you meet feels superior to you in some way. And if you understand how allowing them to feel that way benefits YOU, then, by all means, you should not only permit this behavior, but encourage it!
Don’t keep UP with the Joneses. Go through their trash and beg for their cast offs! Make them feel “rich” and “benevolent” while you actually become those things. If they want to see themselves as people who’ve been sent into your life to help you out of your poverty and misery – let them. It’s a great feeling indeed. I know because it’s the way I feel when I donate my time, talent, and money to truly worthy causes and organizations.
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Now, I know I don’t know all the runners everywhere, but the runners I do know wear the shoes that they do b/c they’re the best shoes for them. They wear the running clothes that they find are the most comfortable, whether it’s a cotton t-shirt or some technical fabric singlet. If they enter races, it’s to have goals that require structured training and keep them running.
The spending that goes into the sport (which is very very little, especially relative to other sports/exercise programs) tends not to be about keeping up with anyone. The runners I know are solitary creatures, made happy by their own running.
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As a runner, I approve of and agree with this wholeheartedly. Though there are some runners I know/see who are in it for the fashion (especially here in Japan, where looking athletic and sporty is much more important than actually being athletic and sporty), most of the more serious runners, with whom I would include myself, make do with very little in the way of gear (except shoes) and wear clothes long after the point we should’ve been embarrassed to be seen in them.
In this way, and based on what I get out of it, I feel like running is actually a relatively cheap hobby; and one in which I’ve never felt like I had to spend money keep up with anyone.
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My husband is a barefoot runner. Sometimes he practices in his Vibram Fivefingers that he bought four years ago at a 50% discount for $45. Sometimes he practices in one of his two pairs of $15 wool toesocks. But usually, he runs barefoot.
Solves quite a bit of the money problem!
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Sometimes it’s not about keeping up, but I definitely have signed up for races 5 and 10Ks to support runner friends who needed a shorter goal race than I do. So would I have paid the race fees if it weren’t for my friends, but I don’t think those fees were a waste, either.
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I’m not sure I get this – is any hobby you share with others and spend money on “keeping up,” then?
If so I guess mine are craft beer and rock climbing, which are inherently social – you can drink alone and climb on autobelay, but where’s the fun in that? Sometimes hobbies cost money, but they can be fulfilling enough to be worth it for their own sake. And I will fully admit that I spend less on them than my higher-income or lower-savings rate friends (and therefore participate somewhat less and fail to “keep up”), which everyone gets and no one holds against me.
The part about charities…I don’t know. Do people really donate money to get swag to show off or have their names listed on the annual report? Do other people actually pay attention to those things? Color me skeptical.
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A lot of that depends on the charity and the funding level. With larger institutions, bigger or repeat/lifetime donors do certainly get recognition. Smaller donations? Not so much. Smaller charities may list even lower-level donors as a way to attract more donors and seem more popular.
There’s always of course the bits of swag hat many charities give out in donation drives, as well evidenced by PBS fundraising drives.
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Technically, noprofits are supposed to include all levels of donors in their annual reports. I used to work for a development dept, and had to read through other organizations’ reports to make lists of people to ask for money…but normal people don’t actually read those if they don’t have to! That’s why I was surprised about the “recognition” thing, just because I don’t know anyone with the means to make the kind of donations that organizations throw receptions or name things for. We’re talking 5-7 digits depending on the organization.
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No, I don’t think every hobby you share with friends is considered “keeping up with the Joneses,” but I agree that anything CAN turn that way if you’re not careful. This was a side of the Joneses argument I hadn’t thought about before, and it made me really think. I’m grateful for the information and the chance for introspection the article brought me.
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I donated to my local NPR broadcasting station, and I denied the “gift” that comes with the donation. It’s because, to me, a donation should come with no strings attached. I loved their programming, I appreciated that they wanted my opinions, and I gladly gave money. That should be enough for me, right? But some people do need incentives to give just a little, and some people do like the bragging rights that come with answering, “Where did you get that bag?” with “I made a generous donation to WXYZ.”
Have you visited a college? Every building on campus is named for someone who gave a lot of money to the institution, and that’s how they are recognized for it.
The people who put their names on things do get noticed. Not by everyone, but by the people that matter to them.
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What about having your photo in the society page of the newspaper …..at some swank fundraising party?
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I don’t know….I have completely different interests that most people I know. Even though we don’t share the same hobbies, our friendships last because of our personalities and history.
A lot of my friends live for professional sports…especially this time of year. I don’t enjoy sports at all so we just talk about other stuff. I wouldn’t start being a sports fan just to have something to talk about.
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The funny thing about matching furniture is that matchy-matchy is actually a more downmarket look. If you look at House Beautiful or similar high-end home design magazines, you’ll find almost no matching sets of furniture. In House Beautiful, the idea is more to coordinate different beautiful and unusual pieces.
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Some of my family collect antiques and have probably much more on their eclectic style than my friends who purchased coordinating sets. I also know people who have purchased matching sets used or inherited them.
I don’t understand how matchy-matchy = consumerist drone?
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Don’t forget the desire to out-minimalize or underspend! Not all Joneses are consumerist.
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Totally agree! Plus those who try to “out frugal” each other too… can’t forget them.
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Yes, Sara, I was just thinking of the crowd that brags that they buy more at the thrift store than others.
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Interesting post. I think it’s important to remember that to someone else we might be the Joneses — especially if we’re expecting other people to live up to our standards or lifestyle. I’ve seen people compete to be the most frugal or save the most money. It’s still inviting a culture of “my way is the right way and you should be doing what I’m doing”.
In my case, the “Joneses” have little to do with money — it’s my friends and family who have spouses and children that I feel I need to keep up with. Some of my stay at home parent friends feel pressured to keep up with their friends who have careers (like me!) Hearing that was a bit of a wake up call.
I think we all need to think about what we really want and what really makes us happy and work towards those goals.
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Totally agree! I fine myself wanting to keep up with the Joneses’ kids sometimes. It’s easy to compare our kids to other people’s kids. I think it’s a mom thing. Anyway, it reminds me of the phrase from Desiderata: If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
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I do get a little down when I see all my peers buying houses and starting families. That whole process seems so far away from me.
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I know just how you feel
It’s tough being left out of the “wife” and “mom” clubs.
Unfortunately, I’ve seen the process in reverse now — families who I thought had everything breaking up and homes back on the market. In some ways, it’s as fruitless to envy people’s marriages and families as it is to envy big homes and fancy cars. We never really know what goes on behind closed doors.
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You are right. Appearances can be deceiving. I have found through the years of dealing with other families and their bragging of what they have that often they…a) aren’t even paying for all their stuff. Grandma and grandpa are footing the bills for tuition, trips, and other expensive things they may have. b) Often they are living on credit. Just a bad idea.
My husband and I have been lucky enough to have done it all on our own and probably won’t inherit much either due to the good health of our parents (they will live long…a GREAT blessing!)
We haven’t had to turn to our families yet for a catastrophic happening (health, job loss, etc) but are saving that option for when and only when it is truly needed.
M
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We have an almost-two year old and a bunch of our friends still don’t have kids. We now feel left out by our single friends because they go off and do things that we just can’t do any more – naptime, bedtime, and early wake-ups are an inevitable part of our days now. We really hope that more of them will have kids soon so that we are back on the same schedule! But I guess the point is that we can all feel left out one way or another, no matter what stage of our lives we’re in.
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Agreed! I think there’s always going to be some feeling of being left out when your life is at a different stage than your friends’ and family’s.
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Time for new friends!
Your kids will be older than theirs – assuming they ever have kids – so your schedules and budgets won’t ever match up again.
Through the playdate and soccer team and school activities, you can find new friends who have commonality with your new life.
It’s a blast!!!
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Boy have you made me think! The Joneses can be in anything or any group that one participates. I found myself mentally going through my groups and thinking where I try to “keep up”. Thanks for the mental jog!
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I don’t know. I dislike free pile furniture because I want my furniture to be clean and yes match. Do I know how to make it work with free pile stuff, heck yes. I grew up with that being the only option. Do I want to do that when I can actually afford to buy what I like instead of trying to find something that will “do”, heck yes again.
As to why you suddenly felt inadequate, I would guess it had a lot more to do with lack of cleanliness than with your mismatched furniture. Mismatched and clean tends not to bother anyone. Mismatched and messy and/or dirty bothers a lot of folks. And I don’t know if you even thought of it that way or not.
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I agree. I think this had a lot more to do with “OMG my house is a mess” than with “OMG my furniture doesn’t match and maybe it should.” Clearly the author doesn’t care if her furniture matches, and doesn’t really care what other people think.
And in that sense, the issue is not about “keeping up with” anybody other than ourselves. So the rest of the post doesn’t follow.
mini rantastic digression:
These “I’m so special because XYZ frugal and intellectual” posts are beginning to get under my skin, and I say that as someone who is frugal – in my own way – and intellectual. This type of essay seems to me to be seeking validation for an attitude rather than for a way of life, and it doesn’t really provide anything useful – for those who are trying to examine their own lives to see if they want to make changes – until the very end.
No doubt this construction is intentional (maybe writer’s workshops say your main point should always be made last?) but IMO the point is buried by the irritating premise of the first half of the post.
Maybe I’m PMSing. But I’ve been reading GRS for a long time … and the past 6 weeks really have led me to conclude it’s time it comes off my Favorites.
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I “like” this comment x1000 on all points, I can’t even elaborate. Ah, yes, I will say this. A crazy messed up environment eludes sanity and breeds chaos. Pick up! The kids shouldn’t live this as normal. And mommy and wife pouring all her time into a self promoting project for 4 days straight borders on abandon. Gee, if my husband was home on leave, I’d just treat those days like any other day. Not. I’m seeing a form of mitosis– bizarre New Age replicating selfishness—that I can’t help but innately reject. Nerdo—is there a specific time you submit posts?
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My thoughts exactly!
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As someone who has visited Home from overseas work, I agree 100%
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“And mommy and wife pouring all her time into a self promoting project for 4 days straight borders on abandon.”
I’m sorry, but that’s offensive. A “mommy and wife” is actually a person with a career and interests and is able to put her time and energy into those things. No where is she suggesting she’s “abandoning” her family. Does a “daddy and husband” working overseas for several months straight border on abandon?
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@Marla
Only if daddy and husband really wants to be over seas months at a time in war time, away from his growing kids, making the *living* money for the family so that he can come home and be “excused” from chores while his wife hates on his friends (that he obviously finds value in) for her inability to prioritize. Mommy and wife simply refers to a little room for family time–when the family can actually be physically together— not some 50′s housewife scenario that you jumped right to.
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I also “like” this comment x1000 on all points. I’ve really been turned off by the attitide/approach Sarah has taken in her last couple posts that I can remember. Also, I don’t buy matching-ish furniture to impress anyone or be like anyone else — I just aesthetically like clean simple order. She may express herself with beautiful artsy things, but I guess the expression of how I am most comfortable is more ordered/streamlined/not sure what the right word is. We are just different people. She doesn’t have to be “pleased” with herself about it, which is just so condescending/snarky.
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Great post.. it certainly is thought-provoking.
Don’t forget kids too and this can be very competitive. Within our group of friends, we try to out-do with each other through our kids. Here are some of the comments. “I bought my son a new Ipad”, “My son is enrolled in Kumon.” “My daughter is enrolled in piano, chess club, soccer, baseball, (insert trendy-after-schoo-activity)”, “My daughter is part of the school’s accelerated program.”, “I’ve saved $$$ amount in my children’s 529 plan.” “I bought my son the latest nintendo 3DS XL because he got an A in math”.
I try not to let it get to me anymore, but sometimes I still feel the pressure to keep up with them.
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Ha Ha. Completely agree. I realized this happening to us last year, took my kid off some activities this year
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Our daughter is not even 2 yet and we are already getting pressure about preschool and structured activities! I ignore it all, as she is very happy playing with her family and her part-time nanny and her little friends on the playground and at the library story hours.
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I never thought of it in this way, but motorcycling is a big one. Especially Harley riders, and the whole Harley image with the huge cost that can go into keeping up. But even those of us who look down on the Harley’s because of the Joneses aspect do the same thing, just with a cheaper brand bike.
I have a Yamaha V-Star and my brother bought a Harley. I’m good with that, and kinda look down on him for the $$ he’ll end up spending. But then he gets his seat reworked with gel pads, and I gotta have that done to mine. Then he gets a cupholder, then he gets….. and on and on we go.
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When I went to graduate school we met an awesome couple with whom we connected immediately. So it wasn’t long before we became very good friends. There was only one issue: they were millionaires and we were dirt poor students. Both of us knew it and tried to avoid anything that would bring that to the foreground.
He is a wine lover and I remember one year, for his birthday, getting him a bottle of his favorite of the day. Being a boutique wine, it wasn’t easy to get, nor was it cheap. But we stretched and tried to add some humor by putting it in a toaster box.
Of course, the celebration was a family and friends lunch at one of the nicer Orange County restaurants, and of course everyone brought their gifts.
Fortunately, ours got opened early because of the curiosity factor. Oohs and ahhs all around… until his sister’s gift came up: an entire case of that same wine! Everyone at the table, birthday boy and sister included, got that “silence for a second” an oops like that usually brings.
Maybe I overreacted, but I just realized that was a crowd I couldn’t run with and, honestly, didn’t want to run with. And from that day on we started a gradual tactical retreat. We’re still friends, sending Christmas cards once a year and trading the occasional email and Facebook post. But we’ve moved out of the Jones orbit with them.
Because that day we learned: you gotta choose your Joneses.
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So, through no fault of your friends, the expensive gift (given by a close relative which also should trump a casual friend’s gift IMHO) caused them to lose your friendship. How sad is that? Over money? I would have laughed and said, “see, I have good taste,” or something like that.
I have several friends who are very wealthy in comparison to me. This is not hard to be, LOL. Wealthy in comparison to me, that is. But I learned long ago to love them with all their “faults” including money, which in my view, only enriches their lives and sometimes mine by virtue of their wanting to be in my company. So the expensive tickets or dinners they insist upon paying for, I don’t say “no” because I can’t pay. They’re asking me because they want to be in my company, and know that both they and I would enjoy whatever experience they’re offering. I reciprocate some other way. Is it monetarily equal? Most often, not, but the problem isn’t having or not having money, it’s who’s counting? And honestly, no one is.
Of course don’t take advantage, but there are a million ways to show your appreciation for a night out, for instance, without having to do tit for tat. Buy the drinks at the bar before the expensive dinner, pay for the taxi on your way to the theater. Smart, sensitive people get this and appreciate it. If they don’t, then that’s another subject.
It’s very joyful to be able to do things for other people even if it involves spending money on them. Don’t make the mistake of missing out of some amazing people because you, not them, are only seeing things through the prism of money.
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I don’t see why you would retreat from a friendship just for that if you share interests, you like each other and it’s pretty clear as you said that you have a big income/wealth difference. Are you saying you can’t find a way to have outings that don’t put you in awkward situations?
I have a friend from grad school, who now makes maybe 2-3 times what I do, due mostly to the fields we chose and that I decided to change career tracks and travel less because of kids. Her husband and mine are even better friends, the kids play together with pleasure and like each other, and we don’t let the income difference stay in our way. When we go see them, it’s expensive takeout, or a fancy restaurant. When they come visit, we cook at home. We both accept that their presents to us will be more expensive (yes, there is an element of awkwardness when they overdo it sometimes), but it’s a minor thing. We share values on most things, we have similar upbringing, and we enjoy each other’s company.
Find a way, instead of retreating, if you value the friendship
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Maybe it wasn’t your friends (awesome rich couple) but THEIR friends that you needed to limit contact with. Or maybe it would be better just to skip events that would involve gift-giving or obvious consumption. Maybe casual activities or meals together would be OK, but fancy restaurant settings would better be avoided, for example.
I do understand that you can easily reach a point where relationship management seems more trouble than the relationship is worth. I think it would depend a lot on the commitment of the rich friends to maintaining the friendship.
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Thanks for the post, Sarah. It came just a day after I was invited along to a concert with a bunch of my friends and was agonizing over the decision to go or not. We’re all moms and enjoy going out to “get away” from the every day routine. But sometimes, it’s too much. And I was just not THAT into going to a concert.
I have a big case of FOMO with this group (Fear of Missing Out) and this was just another case of them spending money I didn’t have. And I thought about how much more enjoyment I would get out of my $90 if I bought some cans of paint instead of tickets to a one night concert. Or adding that $90 to our snowball payment on our credit card we’re so close to paying off.
Yes, I will be missing out on the experience with all the “girls,” but the paint will last longer and give me way more joy than just trying to keep up with this social “Jones.” Being debt free is more important to me now and your post helped cement that for me.
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Love the thought process you have!
I’m a professional interior designer. I’m 26 and purchased my first house two years ago. EVERY piece of furniture in my home was either given to me for free from a family member or purchased off of Craigslist. My house looks great! I get compliments constanatly! I have been able to use paint, slipcovers, and some careful coordination to make my house look better than a Pottery Barn house because it is a much more personal space with my touch and not just a prematched page out of a catalog. I have no desire to spend even $1000 on new furniture when that could go into my bank account instead.
I’m sure some will feel that’s easy for me since I’m a professional. But really it all come down to priorities and where you want your money to go.
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My mom always told me to not say “I can’t afford it.” She said if you really REALLY wanted something, you could find a way to get it (go into debt, cash out 401k, max credit cards). So it’s not a matter of “affording” it but rather making priorities. She said we should always say (or think) “That’s not my priority for my money.” She pointed out that people tend to have particular things that are important to them–nice house, nice car, nice clothes, big vacations–and that’s their priority. We should neither try to keep up with them nor judge them for how they spend their money. There are some things I splurge on because they’re a priority for me, though they might not be for other people. There are other things I totally skimp on to make up for the priority splurges. But this article was fantastic in making me think about what/who my “Joneses” are and rein some of them back in.
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I’ve hung out with some outdoorsy crowds and there definitely can be a good deal of gear snobbery. In truth, gear does contribute to performance – for example, I’ve found that it’s very difficult riding a very old, heavy hybrid trying to keep up with a bunch of folks on road bikes – but you have to make some decisions about how much you’re willing to invest.
In my case, I happen to like biking AND kayaking. I only have so much time to devote to each activity, so I’ve tried to be careful not to overinvest in any one sport. I also have very limited storage, so that’s curbed some of those gear-spending impulses.
I’ve run some calculations and know that I’ve gotten my money’s worth out of my kayak and two bikes, but not enough to justify significant upgrades in either activity….and I’d have to give up one of those activities if I wanted to take on another gear-intensive, warm weather sport.
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I try to separate myself from people who think they deserve to be your Joneses, and who believe you SHOULD be emulating their lifestyle – ie. those friends who are angry with you for turning down their skiing week plans (when you don’t ski and don’t have the money). I think it’s really easy for people at the end of university or just out of it (kind of the realm I’m in right now) to immediately dive into the yuppie lifestyle. There’s even more pressure from friends at the same stage (especially those who didn’t have to pay their own way through school – weird, eh).
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I.e. practically every athlete ever? If I never hear again, “You could run a marathon too, it’s not that hard!” it’ll be too soon.
(and yes, I know that’s a horrible generalization. But YOU know the type)
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As I read this, I thought immediately of my favorite line from the “Raisins” episode of South Park: “All you have to do to be a nonconformist is dress just like us and listen to the exact same music we do.”
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One of my favorite sayings “I want to be different. Just like all my friends.”
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Great post !! It’s true that sometimes we can feel pressure to keep up in unconventional ways — workout wear is one way I feel the pressure, especially since it is so darn expensive.
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Sarah,
I really enjoyed this post. I appreciate that you framed from a strictly spending orientation – and a call to focus on consious spending. I do think that there is absolutely a social dynamic to our spending patterns. Yes, as someone noted – your true friends are those who don’t really care about any of it. But if you never play the – ‘I wanna be like you’ game – you never get to that point. Recently I had an opportunity to join a charitable organization – it would have required a moderate time commitment and probably a moderate financial commitment – but in return you ‘got in’ with a group of people that seemed really fun and welcoming. If I had the time and money I probably would have done it – but I was able to step back – realize that in order to come up with the time and money I would be shorting things I cared about more – so I didn’t. Maybe I missed out on an opportunity to meet lifelong friends who shared a commitment to community – and maybe I just saved myself some time and money.
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I like Tonya’s comment about saying it’s not a priority for your money. Also realized that your friend don’t have to be your Joneses. I have no TV, not because I’m a super uncluttereed person, but because it’s not a habit I have. A trade off is that I have a huge savings account for travel, which isn’t a priority for everyone else.
On the competitive charitable giving idea I think about giving time instead of money. Your name may not end up on the charity’s gala program, but you know you participated in a meaningful way. I volunteer weekly in an ESL class, and it’s a priority for my time.
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I find giving my time to be a lot more difficult than writing a check, so I have to agree that volunteer hours can really make a difference. Especially in a school. I don’t know any schools who have too MANY volunteers. Elementary teachers can always use a hand, and I can guarantee the junior high and high schools could find a way to use you, too. PTA leaders have my heartfelt thanks for all they do!
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Sadly, the dirty little secret about non-profits is that they want/need your money more than your time. Every single one I’ve ever worked for encouraged staff to push, push, PUSH volunteers into becoming donors. I used to feel guilty about it, knowing that the reason many of our volunteers were volunteers, in the first place, was that they couldn’t afford to donate their money.
I’m sorry to say, but knowing this has kept me back from volunteering more of my time to the causes I believe in. I feel pressured to donate money that I don’t have.
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That’s pretty sad, and I can understand why you wouldn’t want to volunteer. I’ve had the opposite experience thankfully. Other than being on mailing lists, I’ve never been pressured to donate to organizations where I volunteer. As an example, I’ve volunteered at the local animal shelter for over a decade now without giving them a penny.
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Regarding the messy house when unexpected visitors came–I have learned to keep the public area of the house reasonably neat if not clean, because something like that often happens. A quick pick up is all that’s needed. It also pays to get dressed by a reasonable time or someone will likely stop in.
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Good post. I think as long as you’re comfortable with who you are then there is no need to keep up with the Joneses. If you’re trying to keep up with the Joneses, where does it stop? It’s a recipe for living beyond your means and making decisions to make others happy and not yourself.
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I have one word for you: Library.
I have no Joneses. But that’s probably because my hobbies are all solitary (on purpose) and I truly don’t care what other people think about much of anything.
I keep my house clean and well-decorated because I like it that way.
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AMEN to this post. My biggest (tangible material good) insecurity is my little house. It’s nicely updated, but it’s 1,000 sq ft with one bath. My coworkers, on the other hand, all live in homes that are 1,600 sq ft or bigger—2 baths at least, nice neighbors, etc. I always feel like I have to apologize for my house when people come over. (It doesn’t help that my insecurity is fueled by a few of them who actually have the nerve to comment on how they wouldn’t live in my neighborhood.) BUT, my husband and I bought a smaller house with a smaller mortgage because we didn’t want to become a statistic if one of us lost our jobs. In the end, I know we made a fiscally conservative choice that we can be proud of, but in the day-to-day, it’s hard to keep the big picture in mind. I HATE going to other people’s houses because of this. Stupid.
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If a guest in my home actually said they wouldn’t want to live in my neighborhood they would be met with one really frigid stare and they would never be invited back again.
You don’t have to put up with that.
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“(It doesn’t help that my insecurity is fueled by a few of them who actually have the nerve to comment on how they wouldn’t live in my neighborhood.)”
I would tell them they don’t need to come over to my neighborhood anymore to put their fears at rest. They would never get another invitation from me again.
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I have this mostly in regards to my kids. They have winter birthdays and we live in the Boston area so birthday parties have to be inside. They get invited to so many lavish parties at places (inside bouncy house places, paint your pottery places, bowling etc) where there are 20+ guests that their expectations of what a birthday party is has really changed. For the first 3 years of my daughter’s life we had a small home birthday party. We invite a few families with similar aged kids, make the food, make the cake, do a reasonable “goody bag,” etc. Now that she is in pre-school and has gone to a bunch of birthday parties this year she is actually telling us where she wants the party and what it should be and who should come (her whole class of 10 kids). I did the math and it would cost $350 for her party if we did what she wanted.
It goes double for my almost 8 year old son. He is invited to about 2-3 birthday parties a month! Most of them someplace cool, doing fun things, all with big price tags.
Of course, we are the parents and we have to make the boundaries and shape our kids to realize the whole “Jonses” business but it really is amazing. They want to know why they can’t take gymnastics, dance class, etc like all of their friends when I am working to save up money for them to take one class each.
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I hate to admit it, but I AM the Joneses for people I’ve met over the years. They look at my beautiful but modest sized apartment, my late model car, furniture etc and form a judgement about me and my life. When they find out the real story: my being out of work on disability for three years, thousands of dollars in medical bills (almost paid off!) and so on, they realize they were a tad judgmental.
Apartment – I actually pay less rent in my beautiful old building than all of the other tenants and even less than the beat-up building next door in some cases.
Furniture – All of my solid wood old furniture was obtained years ago at yard sales, estate sales and some of it was free. Solid, beautiful furniture was always important to me so I often went without until I found something I really want at the price I can pay.
I have a new office set (desk and chair) that was funded by the Office of Vocational Rehabilitation Services.
Car – Got a GREAT deal on it.
Clothes – I’m a deal hound. I know how I get expensive clothes at a fraction of the cost. I also don’t have a large wardrobe but I can fake it.
I can go on. We can’t assume our Jonese are living the high life OR in total debt and destitute either. I know it makes some of us feel better to believe that someone’s marriage is on the rocks, going to declare bankruptcy, or going to be in a load of debt because they have things we don’t but that says more about us than them.
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With that said, I still have my insecurities about my life and what I don’t have – more importantly, what I don’t experience. My “Jones” are married, with a family (not just kids, but extended family), healthy with no chronic illness, thin without having to kill themselves at the gym, are free to travel and have had rich experiences in life other than tragedy and pain. Again, that’s only what I see on the surface.
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Perhaps the Joneses with whom you are trying to keep up don’t care about this competition. Perhaps they are unaware that it even exists. Perhaps you have something–tangible or intangible–that they would give anything to have as well. Perhaps friends should just be friends.
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As someone who lives in close proximity to Palm Beach and who is active in the charity circle, charitable giving is absolutely a full time competitive sport for Palm Beachers.
Yes, they are doing good but they certainly are trying to out do each other.
We really don’t have a Joneses family. We are pretty close to the top of the food chain in our neighborhood and the folks that we socialize with. But we are also very down to earth and so focused on killing debt and saving money that we certainly don’t project a lifestyle to keep up with.
I have a couple of close college friends who are married into significant money. I enjoy the riches when appropriate since they both have second homes down here in Florida. I don’t really think about keeping up with them because I don’t really see the success and wealth as theirs rather the success is produced by their respective husbands.
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I’m having a love-hate relationship with this post. I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed in it, and in general with the overall point, but I’m also irked. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who invite others over to their homes when they haven’t taken the time to make the place presentable. That’s not about keeping up with the Joneses – that’s about being courteous to your guests, not putting them in the awkward position of having to ignore your mess (whether its the result of not cleaning, having too much stuff in too small a space, or whatever). If you’re so busy that you haven’t had time to pick up, then meet them out somewhere instead.
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It’s good to look at the things you are doing and spending money on to see if you’re doing it for the wrong reasons, but I don’t quite get how you got there due to your husband’s friends visiting. You projected all your mental crap on them because your house was a mess and thought they would judge you because your furniture doesn’t match and theirs does.
And this poor commenter who likes her furniture to match, how is that “keeping up with the Joneses”? It’s just a personal taste preference. You seem to have a lot of concern about keeping up appearances in the areas that are important to you so maybe you’re reading that into what other people say and do, or maybe her comment actually indicated that she wants her furniture to match to impress someone. I have no idea since you didn’t actually link to her comment, but the whole tone of your attitude toward her and your husband’s friends is very condescending.
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Thought provoking. Wonder how these “Joneses” affect our kids?
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Running. I’m not even going to argue it. My nike shoes, new workout gear, and everything in between.
Another one is actually my friends. I love them but we go out anytime we can, and money always seems to disappear, but I love them.
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I’d really love to see Sarah write an article where she doesn’t take some backhanded dig at her husband. You know, the guy with the shallow Pottery Barn furniture matching friends.
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I never said they were shallow. And it wasn’t a dig at my husband, back-handed or otherwise.
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Warning…kranky comment ahead. I personally would be less offended by you mismatched furniture than by the dirt and chaos. Was that even part of your uncomfortableness? I wont even go into the leaving n on leave husband o fend for himself 4 days part.
Instead, as n extremely frugsl person I’ll say that I’m darned tired of assumpions sbout what i spend money on and why. I dont have a new suv to keep up with the jonses. I have it cause a bad knee requires me to have a car seat at hip level……..
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I’m assuming her husband’s an adult that doesn’t require waiting on hand and foot?
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This hits home because we just went to a charity auction for Big Brothers/Big Sisters. It was a $300/person dinner gala, but we were invited by a friend whose company had a table. Very swanky for us! We bid on a silent auction item (financial planning, actually!) and then bid on a few things during the live auction. Luckily we didn’t win most of them! Too rich for our blood, but we need to increase charitable donations and this was for a good cause. We ended up spending a bit more than planned, but for a great experience we can share with friends. I was certainly shocked by the level of giving. We stretched to give what we did, but many people were donating 25K or more without batting an eye. Peer pressure certainly plays a part.
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I just wrote about the Joneses yesterday! My thought was that you can choose your Jonses–and this article reminded me that not only can you choose among friends or people around you, you can also choose through hobbies, charities, or sports. Maybe choosing role models for life is a better way to put it!
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As a 20-something living in Tampa (dubbed the most vein city in America) it’s safe to say that the hardest ting about being a broke post-grad is not being able to keep up with the well-dressed, well-manicured women of this city. Everyone looks so put together and perfectly flawless in everything from expensive makeup to high=priced hair cuts. While I walk around in my Marshall’s t-shirt, Forever 21 jeans and flip flops. But I’d rather be this way than drowning in credit card debt like the rest of them.
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When I graduated I started keeping up with the Jones’ with everyone that I graduated with by comparing salaries and looking at whether they were married or had a house and trying to get all that as well. What I came to realize is that every time I tried to keep up with them I was defining myself according to them and limiting myself and not really allowing myself to pursue the things I really wanted. That’s the thing with fitting in – there’s the cost of being authentically you and opening yourself up to new experiences and opportunities. Keeping up with the Jones’ doesn’t just impact our savings but where we put our efforts and who we choose to be – the time we take focusing on others which is time away working on ourselves, which in turn impacts our earnings or overalls savings.
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I kind of disagree with the premise of the examples used in this article. “Keeping up with the Joneses” doesn’t mean buying things that meet your values (whether that is a certain quality, cost, environmental factor, etc.). It means buying things that do not meet your needs because you feel a need to for societal/social reasons.
For instance, if I bought a swanky pair of running shoes because my friend/neighbor/whoever did, I’d be trying to keep up with the JOneses. (Because I do not run, and would practically rather die than do so.) My grandmother did this all the time with her sister Helen. If Helen got something, whether my grandma had any similar need or not, she was out buying the same thing.
Maybe your friends really enjoy knitting, and having lovely yarn or whatever makes them love the end product. It’s easy to get caught up in the expenses of a hobby, but that’s a whole different thing from what you’re supposedly talking about.
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Is it really “keeping up with the Jones” if you are carefully choosing to spend your money on one particular hobby that you are passionate about? Obviously, your spending shouldn’t hinder your ability to pay your bills and save money for other things, but we all have interests that we want to pursue. My husband and I are bad about buying lots of books. However we get a good deal of enjoyment out of reading them and learning new things from them. We are frugal in many ways, but I feel like I should be allowed this one indulgence if it brings me great happiness (and it doesn’t break the bank!)
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No, it’s not keeping up with the Joneses if it’s a priority you’ve set for your money and you do it because you want to. If you were comparing your own book library to your neighbor’s and buying more books to keep up with them, that would be “keeping up with the Joneses.” I think the point of this article is that we can become competitive with others and spend money we wouldn’t have spent otherwise because of a subconscious sense of competition with the “Joneses.”
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