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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/11/08/drawing-the-line-with-poor-customer-service/comment-page-1/#comment-3286999</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I believe we have all had  &#039;how stupid can this be&#039; moments.   Let me tell you about mine:
 
A few years ago, I had a home equity loan with Chase bank. Diligence and patience persevered and the final payment was finally  sent in the mail to the bank.   The next month I received a statement from 
chase bank in the amount of  TWO CENTS!   Yes,  that&#039;s correct  .02 cents.    The two cents was interest on the unpaid balance from the date of statement to the date of payment received!   
 
In a state of disbelief, shock and anger,  I got in my car and drove four blocks to the nearest branch.  After waiting in line for at least four people ahead of me,  I vaguely recall almost throwing the two pennies at the cashier and telling her - rather rudely, I&#039;m ashamed - how ridiculous this was since it cost the company more than two cents to process and mail the statement, to make certain that the two cents were credited to my account that day in order to avoid another statement next month for perhaps one cent! and that they had lost a customer.  
 
Needless to say,  I will never deal with this  mega-bank again.    In retrospect,  had the time and inclination been available to me at the time,  a letter should have been written to the officers of the bank detailing the incident, the bank&#039;s effort and time involved in billing someone for this amount, and the ire that was created by a good and long-standing customer.    Do you think they might have listened and responded?  Do you think I might have gotten my two cents back?    I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I believe we have all had  &#8216;how stupid can this be&#8217; moments.   Let me tell you about mine:</p>
<p>A few years ago, I had a home equity loan with Chase bank. Diligence and patience persevered and the final payment was finally  sent in the mail to the bank.   The next month I received a statement from<br />
chase bank in the amount of  TWO CENTS!   Yes,  that&#8217;s correct  .02 cents.    The two cents was interest on the unpaid balance from the date of statement to the date of payment received!   </p>
<p>In a state of disbelief, shock and anger,  I got in my car and drove four blocks to the nearest branch.  After waiting in line for at least four people ahead of me,  I vaguely recall almost throwing the two pennies at the cashier and telling her &#8211; rather rudely, I&#8217;m ashamed &#8211; how ridiculous this was since it cost the company more than two cents to process and mail the statement, to make certain that the two cents were credited to my account that day in order to avoid another statement next month for perhaps one cent! and that they had lost a customer.  </p>
<p>Needless to say,  I will never deal with this  mega-bank again.    In retrospect,  had the time and inclination been available to me at the time,  a letter should have been written to the officers of the bank detailing the incident, the bank&#8217;s effort and time involved in billing someone for this amount, and the ire that was created by a good and long-standing customer.    Do you think they might have listened and responded?  Do you think I might have gotten my two cents back?    I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: andy_mcf</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy_mcf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a surreal experience recently when trying to pay off the balance on a loan with Chase Bank.  It took only a few minutes to get the loan.  But paying it back required two (2) hours and the involvement of at least four (4) different departments (I stopped counting). 

More here... http://bit.ly/cTtEpt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a surreal experience recently when trying to pay off the balance on a loan with Chase Bank.  It took only a few minutes to get the loan.  But paying it back required two (2) hours and the involvement of at least four (4) different departments (I stopped counting). </p>
<p>More here&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/cTtEpt" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cTtEpt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When dealing with such issues, I will always start out the conversation with the other party with &quot;I know it isn&#039;t you and please don&#039;t take it personally, but I am pissed!&quot; This usually gets them in the mode of wanting to help and &quot;FIX&quot; the problem. It also eliminates the need for a pissing contest in general. Time is certainly money or lack of depending on what it is you are doing, but if we all stood strong when the need arises, then the need would arise less often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When dealing with such issues, I will always start out the conversation with the other party with &#8220;I know it isn&#8217;t you and please don&#8217;t take it personally, but I am pissed!&#8221; This usually gets them in the mode of wanting to help and &#8220;FIX&#8221; the problem. It also eliminates the need for a pissing contest in general. Time is certainly money or lack of depending on what it is you are doing, but if we all stood strong when the need arises, then the need would arise less often!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/11/08/drawing-the-line-with-poor-customer-service/comment-page-1/#comment-3098962</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a very similar experience with Comcast.  I had switched packages due to their promo period ending and the new bill made no sense at all.  I used the online chat because I was tired of spending so much time on hold everytime I tried to get through (and I was going to be on my computer anyways so waiting wasn&#039;t as big of an issue).  Basically I laid out what I thought was wrong, they didn&#039;t understand, tried to tell me they were prorating for a change in the middle of the month.  I had them tell me what my new charges were (X) and my previous charges (Y), then explained to them that it is mathematically impossible to prorate between X and Y and end up with a number $20 higher than either one.  After at least half an hour of this, they were getting ready to just throw me a complaint number and send it off for their billing dept to get back to me.  I (not them, this is important because I couldn&#039;t detect any effort on their part) discovered they had not prorated showtime, which I previously paid for but was included in the new package.

Long story short, I got my money back but had to fight them for about 45 minutes.  But with Comcast specifically I do not compromise over anything due to a previous dispute where I had cancelled service and they charged my credit card for an additional month 2 weeks after I closed out the account.  Both in person and on the phone I was told there was nothing they could do but in 6-8 weeks it should resolve itself with an account credit (on a closed account, helpful huh?).  Seeing as I had no real options left, I disputed the charge with my credit card company, real easy process, and had the credit shown on my card within 24hrs.

And only now that I&#039;ve written all this out do I realize how much scorn I have for Comcast.  If any other cable company comes to my area, I promise you can have my business no questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a very similar experience with Comcast.  I had switched packages due to their promo period ending and the new bill made no sense at all.  I used the online chat because I was tired of spending so much time on hold everytime I tried to get through (and I was going to be on my computer anyways so waiting wasn&#8217;t as big of an issue).  Basically I laid out what I thought was wrong, they didn&#8217;t understand, tried to tell me they were prorating for a change in the middle of the month.  I had them tell me what my new charges were (X) and my previous charges (Y), then explained to them that it is mathematically impossible to prorate between X and Y and end up with a number $20 higher than either one.  After at least half an hour of this, they were getting ready to just throw me a complaint number and send it off for their billing dept to get back to me.  I (not them, this is important because I couldn&#8217;t detect any effort on their part) discovered they had not prorated showtime, which I previously paid for but was included in the new package.</p>
<p>Long story short, I got my money back but had to fight them for about 45 minutes.  But with Comcast specifically I do not compromise over anything due to a previous dispute where I had cancelled service and they charged my credit card for an additional month 2 weeks after I closed out the account.  Both in person and on the phone I was told there was nothing they could do but in 6-8 weeks it should resolve itself with an account credit (on a closed account, helpful huh?).  Seeing as I had no real options left, I disputed the charge with my credit card company, real easy process, and had the credit shown on my card within 24hrs.</p>
<p>And only now that I&#8217;ve written all this out do I realize how much scorn I have for Comcast.  If any other cable company comes to my area, I promise you can have my business no questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Monroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bank or financial institution did you decide to go with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bank or financial institution did you decide to go with?</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have stayed on the phone for $2 with a bank, credit card company, or healthcare provider.  Even though my time isn&#039;t worth that.  Just out of principle.  In the case of banks and credit card companies I think that they don&#039;t deserve to have my cash if they make a mistake.  I do everything I can to avoid fees, even going out of my way to use a specific ATM.

In the case of healthcare, there are so many mistakes that I don&#039;t trust that a bill is right ever.  I just had an incorrect bill that took me maybe 3 minutes to solve...this guy on the phone had the authority to take off what he called a &quot;mistake.&quot;  Glad I didn&#039;t pay that bill, glad I know my co-pays and coverage, and glad I took the time to call.  Saved $43!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have stayed on the phone for $2 with a bank, credit card company, or healthcare provider.  Even though my time isn&#8217;t worth that.  Just out of principle.  In the case of banks and credit card companies I think that they don&#8217;t deserve to have my cash if they make a mistake.  I do everything I can to avoid fees, even going out of my way to use a specific ATM.</p>
<p>In the case of healthcare, there are so many mistakes that I don&#8217;t trust that a bill is right ever.  I just had an incorrect bill that took me maybe 3 minutes to solve&#8230;this guy on the phone had the authority to take off what he called a &#8220;mistake.&#8221;  Glad I didn&#8217;t pay that bill, glad I know my co-pays and coverage, and glad I took the time to call.  Saved $43!</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people have been conditioned to make as much &quot;noise&quot; as possible to get the attention they think they deserve to solve their problem.
I think people who make this noise by being insulting and complete jerks to sales clerks, servers, cashiers, etc. are horrible people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people have been conditioned to make as much &#8220;noise&#8221; as possible to get the attention they think they deserve to solve their problem.<br />
I think people who make this noise by being insulting and complete jerks to sales clerks, servers, cashiers, etc. are horrible people.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can help you (well, others) on this one. When I came to close my Citi account, I told them I&#039;d left the country. There&#039;s no argument they can come up with that will counter that. It only took a few minutes to close the account.

Admittedly, in my case I really *had* left the country, but I&#039;m sure you can use that excuse even if you don&#039;t plan on emmigrating ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can help you (well, others) on this one. When I came to close my Citi account, I told them I&#8217;d left the country. There&#8217;s no argument they can come up with that will counter that. It only took a few minutes to close the account.</p>
<p>Admittedly, in my case I really *had* left the country, but I&#8217;m sure you can use that excuse even if you don&#8217;t plan on emmigrating <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll usually always try to get my money back on principle, but here in London one company&#039;s introduced something that makes me want to *scream* because it&#039;s so unfair! 

It used to be that if the tube barriers mis-charged you on your Oyster card (the pre-payment card used for London public transport), you could go to the ticket office and get it refunded. *Now*, Transport For London, who run the busses and tubes, have said we can&#039;t do that, we have to call their number - which isn&#039;t toll-free. It&#039;s not just not toll-free, it&#039;s an 0845 number which, contrary to popular belief, is not charged at local rates, but it actually makes money for the company! So, when we get overcharged, it&#039;s usually by a small amount - a couple of ££s at most - and they&#039;ve set up the system so you either leave it and lose the money, or you call them, and pay them for the privilege of correcting a mistake *they* made!

You can email them instead, but as we all know, emails to companies often disappear into the ether never to receive a response...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll usually always try to get my money back on principle, but here in London one company&#8217;s introduced something that makes me want to *scream* because it&#8217;s so unfair! </p>
<p>It used to be that if the tube barriers mis-charged you on your Oyster card (the pre-payment card used for London public transport), you could go to the ticket office and get it refunded. *Now*, Transport For London, who run the busses and tubes, have said we can&#8217;t do that, we have to call their number &#8211; which isn&#8217;t toll-free. It&#8217;s not just not toll-free, it&#8217;s an 0845 number which, contrary to popular belief, is not charged at local rates, but it actually makes money for the company! So, when we get overcharged, it&#8217;s usually by a small amount &#8211; a couple of ££s at most &#8211; and they&#8217;ve set up the system so you either leave it and lose the money, or you call them, and pay them for the privilege of correcting a mistake *they* made!</p>
<p>You can email them instead, but as we all know, emails to companies often disappear into the ether never to receive a response&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can completely identify with you.  I&#039;ve run into my fair share of companies that won&#039;t let you leave at least without some time of financial penalty.  Thinking about it, only companies with bad service have financial penalties... the ones with good service well they don&#039;t have people dropping out all over the place.  I guess we should keep that top of mine before jumping in bed with the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can completely identify with you.  I&#8217;ve run into my fair share of companies that won&#8217;t let you leave at least without some time of financial penalty.  Thinking about it, only companies with bad service have financial penalties&#8230; the ones with good service well they don&#8217;t have people dropping out all over the place.  I guess we should keep that top of mine before jumping in bed with the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that you are making some good points.  I need to so some more thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that you are making some good points.  I need to so some more thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time your find yourself victimized by a bank, try out the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. They have a ton of clout and are genuinely interested in protecting consumers. So far, they seem to have been pretty good about making sure consumers are cared for, and being sure that each problem is neither illegal nor systemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time your find yourself victimized by a bank, try out the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. They have a ton of clout and are genuinely interested in protecting consumers. So far, they seem to have been pretty good about making sure consumers are cared for, and being sure that each problem is neither illegal nor systemic.</p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re assuming that I&#039;m being a jerk to customer service.  Not so, the standard operating procedure is to go up to customer service, show the advertised price in the flyer, show the price on the receipt, and then they say sorry about that and thanks, credit the receipt, and *correct their computer program* so that the registers ring up correctly for the next customer.

You seem to assume that the local workers at a chain grocery want to keep making the mistakes pushed on them by corporate.  They would be more upset if, as you suggest people should do, people stopped shopping at the grocery store entirely because there were too many mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re assuming that I&#8217;m being a jerk to customer service.  Not so, the standard operating procedure is to go up to customer service, show the advertised price in the flyer, show the price on the receipt, and then they say sorry about that and thanks, credit the receipt, and *correct their computer program* so that the registers ring up correctly for the next customer.</p>
<p>You seem to assume that the local workers at a chain grocery want to keep making the mistakes pushed on them by corporate.  They would be more upset if, as you suggest people should do, people stopped shopping at the grocery store entirely because there were too many mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my case it&#039;s definitely a slowed mental capacity.     When I was younger I had no trouble instantaneously &quot;translating&quot; accents.    Once I hit 40, I noticed that I could no longer do it with the same speed.  It&#039;s frustrating when I&#039;m speaking with customer service to have to re-say the sentence in my head and get a translation from it that may be right or wrong.      I often will end up spelling something to confirm I had it right.    It&#039;s not just Indian accents, it&#039;s all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my case it&#8217;s definitely a slowed mental capacity.     When I was younger I had no trouble instantaneously &#8220;translating&#8221; accents.    Once I hit 40, I noticed that I could no longer do it with the same speed.  It&#8217;s frustrating when I&#8217;m speaking with customer service to have to re-say the sentence in my head and get a translation from it that may be right or wrong.      I often will end up spelling something to confirm I had it right.    It&#8217;s not just Indian accents, it&#8217;s all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Meghan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 05:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, funny that this is today&#039;s story because I broke my old record for how long I was on hold! The new record is 84 minutes! Luckily I called from my office phone and listened to 84 minutes of elevator music while I continued working. It was the IRS. I have been paying them - very long story regarding a mistake made by Regions back as they forgot to withhold taxes, my aunt stealing the $100,000 bond that was then going to pay the taxes and be distributed, and my spending of the money on a down payment for a house and private student loans. Anyhow, once I got a guy on the phone, he was quite nice. That has been my experience with the IRS. Presumably they get yelled at so much that they are overjoyed when a citizen calls for information and is a faithful payer. It wasn&#039;t the rep&#039;s fault that there weren&#039;t enough people on phones so I just let it go. It was laughable once I passed the hour mark. I stayed on the line for my own amusement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, funny that this is today&#8217;s story because I broke my old record for how long I was on hold! The new record is 84 minutes! Luckily I called from my office phone and listened to 84 minutes of elevator music while I continued working. It was the IRS. I have been paying them &#8211; very long story regarding a mistake made by Regions back as they forgot to withhold taxes, my aunt stealing the $100,000 bond that was then going to pay the taxes and be distributed, and my spending of the money on a down payment for a house and private student loans. Anyhow, once I got a guy on the phone, he was quite nice. That has been my experience with the IRS. Presumably they get yelled at so much that they are overjoyed when a citizen calls for information and is a faithful payer. It wasn&#8217;t the rep&#8217;s fault that there weren&#8217;t enough people on phones so I just let it go. It was laughable once I passed the hour mark. I stayed on the line for my own amusement.</p>
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		<title>By: Slackerjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slackerjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until you put on the headset you will really never understand what goes on behind the scenes. 

You can read all the comments about customer service and empathize how hard it is but until you are at a desk you will never understand. 

There is tremendous stress when you have to talk, type notes, use 5 different tools at the same time, fix the issue, keep the call short, AND hit your quality points so you don&#039;t get your ass fired. 

Once you do this 8 hours a day, day in and day out,  you will understand how the current customer service  model is completely broken. Crappy service will be the norm. Get used to it. Get used to letting it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until you put on the headset you will really never understand what goes on behind the scenes. </p>
<p>You can read all the comments about customer service and empathize how hard it is but until you are at a desk you will never understand. </p>
<p>There is tremendous stress when you have to talk, type notes, use 5 different tools at the same time, fix the issue, keep the call short, AND hit your quality points so you don&#8217;t get your ass fired. </p>
<p>Once you do this 8 hours a day, day in and day out,  you will understand how the current customer service  model is completely broken. Crappy service will be the norm. Get used to it. Get used to letting it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/11/08/drawing-the-line-with-poor-customer-service/comment-page-1/#comment-3090372</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t do anything to me, but I thought I&#039;d give you just a little bit of push-back since the poor grocery store employee cannot do that.  You mentioned getting a free item if the store gets a price wrong.  If it was me, I would ask for the price to be corrected, but I would not accept a free item.  As for the news story, this sounds like a manufactured story.  A grocery store carries THOUSANDS of items - of course there will be mistakes from time to time.  This is news?

My experience working in retail was so hellish that to this day if I&#039;m given the wrong food in a restaurant I&#039;ll say nothing, eat whatever was given to me, and still leave a %20 tip.  Why do I do that?  Because the server has a hard job and he/she is not getting rich doing it.  I know that they have to wait on countless rude and maybe not fully evolved people.  I just cannot participate in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t do anything to me, but I thought I&#8217;d give you just a little bit of push-back since the poor grocery store employee cannot do that.  You mentioned getting a free item if the store gets a price wrong.  If it was me, I would ask for the price to be corrected, but I would not accept a free item.  As for the news story, this sounds like a manufactured story.  A grocery store carries THOUSANDS of items &#8211; of course there will be mistakes from time to time.  This is news?</p>
<p>My experience working in retail was so hellish that to this day if I&#8217;m given the wrong food in a restaurant I&#8217;ll say nothing, eat whatever was given to me, and still leave a %20 tip.  Why do I do that?  Because the server has a hard job and he/she is not getting rich doing it.  I know that they have to wait on countless rude and maybe not fully evolved people.  I just cannot participate in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice comment.  I know I make a lot of mistakes, so I don&#039;t get too mad when they happen at my expense.  I&#039;m with you - being nice is the most civil and productive way to handle things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice comment.  I know I make a lot of mistakes, so I don&#8217;t get too mad when they happen at my expense.  I&#8217;m with you &#8211; being nice is the most civil and productive way to handle things.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that you ask for a supervisor after a good experience- I&#039;m sure it&#039;s usually just the opposite for customer service reps.  I&#039;m going to try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that you ask for a supervisor after a good experience- I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s usually just the opposite for customer service reps.  I&#8217;m going to try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, younger people like my siblings and I do all right with foreign customer service.  My parents struggle.  Maybe it&#039;s because we heard Spanish on Sesame Street during our formative years?  I&#039;ve been with my parents while we deal with a foreign hotel or airline staff person, and I&#039;ve witnessed them not understanding what sounds clear to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, younger people like my siblings and I do all right with foreign customer service.  My parents struggle.  Maybe it&#8217;s because we heard Spanish on Sesame Street during our formative years?  I&#8217;ve been with my parents while we deal with a foreign hotel or airline staff person, and I&#8217;ve witnessed them not understanding what sounds clear to me.</p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Kevin, what a snarky comment.  What did I do to you?

The mortgage mistake was them applying some of an 8K October prepayment to the month of November rather than all of it to prepayment (not all of it, which is what made it weird).  They were not going to send me a bill for November.  If I hadn&#039;t caught that it would have cost a lot more than $2.62.  The $2.62 is what it would have cost me if instead of getting it applied correctly for October, I made the prepayment with November&#039;s check... and assuming they&#039;d done it correctly for that month.  DH was polite on the phone and they fixed it up.  Applying prepayments to future bills rather than to the principal is a very common way that loan companies take money, but Wells Fargo allows you to choose where the extra money goes.  This time with a large pre-payment instead of our usual smaller prepayment they ignored what we told them to do, and in a way that doesn&#039;t make sense.

Many grocery stores make lots of mistakes if you pay attention.  It&#039;s not just my paranoia either-- this was in the news a while back, and the study found that on average the mistakes were in the grocery store favor.  One complains to the customer courtesy desk, not the teller, and the person receiving the complaint isn&#039;t the person who made the mistake (either the stock person or the computer person, though it&#039;s usually the computer system, so at the corporate level).

At one point it was popular for grocery stores to give you a free item if they got the price wrong.  We cleaned up on that.

But the actual answer to your question is because I was a kid and there was one grocery store near our house.  These days I make enough money that I don&#039;t pay attention to 10 cents here or there.  The last time I complained about a wrong price was a couple of years ago at Target when I bought a brand of toilet paper I normally don&#039;t buy because of an advertised sale... usually I&#039;m price insensitive to the things I buy.

And yes, people do point out mistakes that I make and I thank them for it because I want things done correctly.  I also tend not to make mistakes that steal other people&#039;s money from them in a systematic way.  Do you like keeping your mistakes as mistakes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Kevin, what a snarky comment.  What did I do to you?</p>
<p>The mortgage mistake was them applying some of an 8K October prepayment to the month of November rather than all of it to prepayment (not all of it, which is what made it weird).  They were not going to send me a bill for November.  If I hadn&#8217;t caught that it would have cost a lot more than $2.62.  The $2.62 is what it would have cost me if instead of getting it applied correctly for October, I made the prepayment with November&#8217;s check&#8230; and assuming they&#8217;d done it correctly for that month.  DH was polite on the phone and they fixed it up.  Applying prepayments to future bills rather than to the principal is a very common way that loan companies take money, but Wells Fargo allows you to choose where the extra money goes.  This time with a large pre-payment instead of our usual smaller prepayment they ignored what we told them to do, and in a way that doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>Many grocery stores make lots of mistakes if you pay attention.  It&#8217;s not just my paranoia either&#8211; this was in the news a while back, and the study found that on average the mistakes were in the grocery store favor.  One complains to the customer courtesy desk, not the teller, and the person receiving the complaint isn&#8217;t the person who made the mistake (either the stock person or the computer person, though it&#8217;s usually the computer system, so at the corporate level).</p>
<p>At one point it was popular for grocery stores to give you a free item if they got the price wrong.  We cleaned up on that.</p>
<p>But the actual answer to your question is because I was a kid and there was one grocery store near our house.  These days I make enough money that I don&#8217;t pay attention to 10 cents here or there.  The last time I complained about a wrong price was a couple of years ago at Target when I bought a brand of toilet paper I normally don&#8217;t buy because of an advertised sale&#8230; usually I&#8217;m price insensitive to the things I buy.</p>
<p>And yes, people do point out mistakes that I make and I thank them for it because I want things done correctly.  I also tend not to make mistakes that steal other people&#8217;s money from them in a systematic way.  Do you like keeping your mistakes as mistakes?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Chase.  Chase and all of their points are flying my wife and I to Paris in Business Class next year.  Chase and all of their points are putting me up in the Park Hyatt in Paris for four nights next year.  

Chase and all of their points flew my wife and I in first class (flat beds) to Bali this year.  Chase and all of their points put me up in a suite at the Bali Hyatt for six nights in October.

I like Chase -- and all of their points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Chase.  Chase and all of their points are flying my wife and I to Paris in Business Class next year.  Chase and all of their points are putting me up in the Park Hyatt in Paris for four nights next year.  </p>
<p>Chase and all of their points flew my wife and I in first class (flat beds) to Bali this year.  Chase and all of their points put me up in a suite at the Bali Hyatt for six nights in October.</p>
<p>I like Chase &#8212; and all of their points.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol in Mpls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol in Mpls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate being ignored, it just pisses me off.

When I was ready to buy car #2 (Mazda 626, brand new, right off the lot) I had the money in the bank. Yes, a total cash transaction, ready to write the check, no loan, and was completely stiffed at the dealership. All the guys hung outside yakking and smoking. No one inside volunteered to assist me except the receptionist, and I left.

Went back to my hometown, where I had bought car #1, and later, car #3. And, any future cars as well, I hope. Treat me right, and I&#039;ll come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate being ignored, it just pisses me off.</p>
<p>When I was ready to buy car #2 (Mazda 626, brand new, right off the lot) I had the money in the bank. Yes, a total cash transaction, ready to write the check, no loan, and was completely stiffed at the dealership. All the guys hung outside yakking and smoking. No one inside volunteered to assist me except the receptionist, and I left.</p>
<p>Went back to my hometown, where I had bought car #1, and later, car #3. And, any future cars as well, I hope. Treat me right, and I&#8217;ll come back.</p>
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		<title>By: Debtgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debtgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will keep at it until I can&#039;t stand it any more.  If that means I have to wait until I am in a certain frame of mind to make the call, I will wait.  The stress of dealing with customer service issues is really a lot to deal with at times.  So frustrating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will keep at it until I can&#8217;t stand it any more.  If that means I have to wait until I am in a certain frame of mind to make the call, I will wait.  The stress of dealing with customer service issues is really a lot to deal with at times.  So frustrating!</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thumbs up for Kevin. I&#039;ve worked in retail many years too, and it&#039;s usually the customers who are rude, impatient and belittling to the workers.

I can&#039;t think of a single problem I&#039;ve ever had with customer service anywhere, because when I do have a problem, I&#039;m super-friendly to the representative. I politely ask for things, I do not demand. And guess what? I get what I want. I can&#039;t ever remember a time when a fee wasn&#039;t waived, or an account wasn&#039;t closed at my request. I show gratitude to the representative. 

Being nice gets you a lot further than being demanding. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thumbs up for Kevin. I&#8217;ve worked in retail many years too, and it&#8217;s usually the customers who are rude, impatient and belittling to the workers.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a single problem I&#8217;ve ever had with customer service anywhere, because when I do have a problem, I&#8217;m super-friendly to the representative. I politely ask for things, I do not demand. And guess what? I get what I want. I can&#8217;t ever remember a time when a fee wasn&#8217;t waived, or an account wasn&#8217;t closed at my request. I show gratitude to the representative. </p>
<p>Being nice gets you a lot further than being demanding. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While our time is worth $$ - there&#039;s also something to be said for trying to change a bad system. If customers generally hang up after a certain amount of minutes, then these companies (having already proved themselves as bad customer service establishments) will just start automatically placing customer service calls on hold long enough for them to hang up never to try again. I would not be surprised to learn that there have been studies of how long a company must keep an unhappy customer on hold until they hang up. 
If we keep putting up with the use of bad customer service as an answer to bad customer service, things will never change. 
I promise if they don&#039;t get their money they will not stop calling you no matter how long they are on hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While our time is worth $$ &#8211; there&#8217;s also something to be said for trying to change a bad system. If customers generally hang up after a certain amount of minutes, then these companies (having already proved themselves as bad customer service establishments) will just start automatically placing customer service calls on hold long enough for them to hang up never to try again. I would not be surprised to learn that there have been studies of how long a company must keep an unhappy customer on hold until they hang up.<br />
If we keep putting up with the use of bad customer service as an answer to bad customer service, things will never change.<br />
I promise if they don&#8217;t get their money they will not stop calling you no matter how long they are on hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your grocery store made so many mistakes, why did you keep going there?  And does anybody point out your mistakes all the time?

As for you potential mortgage loss of $2.62, I&#039;m guessing Illuminati...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your grocery store made so many mistakes, why did you keep going there?  And does anybody point out your mistakes all the time?</p>
<p>As for you potential mortgage loss of $2.62, I&#8217;m guessing Illuminati&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be slightly off subject, but trust me, for every instance of poor customer service there are 15-20 instances of boorish, uncivilized behavior on the part of the customer.  I worked in retail for many years but eventually the anxiety and depression resulting from working with the public drove me into a different line of work.  I thank God every day that I now work in a cubicle.

Also, I seldom have problems of this kind.  A few years ago we had problems with our internet provider.  We eventually changed, but I did not file a complaint or anything like that.  We just moved on.  A person who berates a store clerk (who seldom has anything to do with the problem) is, in my opinion, a bully and barely even human.  My 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be slightly off subject, but trust me, for every instance of poor customer service there are 15-20 instances of boorish, uncivilized behavior on the part of the customer.  I worked in retail for many years but eventually the anxiety and depression resulting from working with the public drove me into a different line of work.  I thank God every day that I now work in a cubicle.</p>
<p>Also, I seldom have problems of this kind.  A few years ago we had problems with our internet provider.  We eventually changed, but I did not file a complaint or anything like that.  We just moved on.  A person who berates a store clerk (who seldom has anything to do with the problem) is, in my opinion, a bully and barely even human.  My 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a Net 10 prepaid cell phone.  Over the course of a few years I had several occasions to call their Customer Service.  All experiences with their Customer Service were very time-consuming and bad.  I kept planning to go with a different provider, but kept procrastinating.  But one day, I lost the phone and it turned out for the best.  I bought a Tracfone which holds the charge longer and I&#039;ve been able to use it everywhere so far.  I haven&#039;t needed Customer Service yet, but will hope for the best when I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a Net 10 prepaid cell phone.  Over the course of a few years I had several occasions to call their Customer Service.  All experiences with their Customer Service were very time-consuming and bad.  I kept planning to go with a different provider, but kept procrastinating.  But one day, I lost the phone and it turned out for the best.  I bought a Tracfone which holds the charge longer and I&#8217;ve been able to use it everywhere so far.  I haven&#8217;t needed Customer Service yet, but will hope for the best when I do.</p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/11/08/drawing-the-line-with-poor-customer-service/comment-page-1/#comment-3090092</link>
		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends... but whenever it&#039;s a credit card or bank mis-charge that really gets me to dig my heels in.

Well, I haven&#039;t complained to Wells Fargo about how they round their pennies with my mortgage (I just occasionally adjust my spreadsheet... so far I&#039;ve lost about 7 cents from that)... but I did get pretty pissed off at them about a $10 for no reason (&quot;computer mistake&quot;) charge they made the other month and got that taken off.  They also screwed up the mortgage prepayment the month before in a really bizarre fashion (potential loss from that:  $2.62, assuming they got the prepayment right the next month and I didn&#039;t skip a payment just because they didn&#039;t send me a bill).  Funny how the computer problems are always in their favor.

The grocery store I tend not to pay much attention to anymore, but I used to point out mistakes all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends&#8230; but whenever it&#8217;s a credit card or bank mis-charge that really gets me to dig my heels in.</p>
<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t complained to Wells Fargo about how they round their pennies with my mortgage (I just occasionally adjust my spreadsheet&#8230; so far I&#8217;ve lost about 7 cents from that)&#8230; but I did get pretty pissed off at them about a $10 for no reason (&#8220;computer mistake&#8221;) charge they made the other month and got that taken off.  They also screwed up the mortgage prepayment the month before in a really bizarre fashion (potential loss from that:  $2.62, assuming they got the prepayment right the next month and I didn&#8217;t skip a payment just because they didn&#8217;t send me a bill).  Funny how the computer problems are always in their favor.</p>
<p>The grocery store I tend not to pay much attention to anymore, but I used to point out mistakes all the time.</p>
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