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	<title>Comments on: Jiro Ono to all newbs: Be tough</title>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2012/11/20/jiro-ono-to-all-newbs-be-tough/comment-page-1/#comment-3122792</link>
		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many children, I was taught about guns from a young age. My parents had loaded weapons, and we were aware of that. We were also aware that our parents were the boss of us, and that you NEVER point a weapon at someone or something you don&#039;t want to kill. We also knew that our parents loved us dearly, and made their decisions out of that love. 


If you don&#039;t have those conditions in your home, then no, you shouldn&#039;t have weapons there. But if you don&#039;t have those conditions, you need to take a long look in the mirror and figure out how to fix that. And sometimes, if you really screwed up, or you have a kid with mental illness or a drug problem (often the same thing), you may have to let them spend some time in jail or forcible treatment. If nothing else, it sends a message to the other kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many children, I was taught about guns from a young age. My parents had loaded weapons, and we were aware of that. We were also aware that our parents were the boss of us, and that you NEVER point a weapon at someone or something you don&#8217;t want to kill. We also knew that our parents loved us dearly, and made their decisions out of that love. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have those conditions in your home, then no, you shouldn&#8217;t have weapons there. But if you don&#8217;t have those conditions, you need to take a long look in the mirror and figure out how to fix that. And sometimes, if you really screwed up, or you have a kid with mental illness or a drug problem (often the same thing), you may have to let them spend some time in jail or forcible treatment. If nothing else, it sends a message to the other kids.</p>
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		<title>By: captbill</title>
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		<dc:creator>captbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analogies for how to cope with next 4 years of Obama-power! 
Damn (his) torpedoes.  Full speed ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analogies for how to cope with next 4 years of Obama-power!<br />
Damn (his) torpedoes.  Full speed ahead!</p>
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		<title>By: Student Loans Worked Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student Loans Worked Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Most* people&#039;s? I doubt that. A lot, but hardly MOST. Most people grow up to realize life is not all a pleasure walk, and learn to cope together with their spouses. 

I am, for one, suspicious of *tough* love. Too frequently I heard people talk of *tough love* when it was clearly a cope out (like turning your own kid - a good kid! - to jail instead of taking time to actually DO some parenting, even after the sentence). Love is love. It is not just hugging and kissing, it is so much more: preparing for life challenges, making sure beloved interests are taken into account, putting effort into making them happy (not *a got a new gizmo* happy, but *lead a full and fulfilling life* happy). From my experience - I do not do *tough love*. I just LOVE my family, and they know that they have my absolutely unconditional love and support whatever happens. And I know I have theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Most* people&#8217;s? I doubt that. A lot, but hardly MOST. Most people grow up to realize life is not all a pleasure walk, and learn to cope together with their spouses. </p>
<p>I am, for one, suspicious of *tough* love. Too frequently I heard people talk of *tough love* when it was clearly a cope out (like turning your own kid &#8211; a good kid! &#8211; to jail instead of taking time to actually DO some parenting, even after the sentence). Love is love. It is not just hugging and kissing, it is so much more: preparing for life challenges, making sure beloved interests are taken into account, putting effort into making them happy (not *a got a new gizmo* happy, but *lead a full and fulfilling life* happy). From my experience &#8211; I do not do *tough love*. I just LOVE my family, and they know that they have my absolutely unconditional love and support whatever happens. And I know I have theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...even if you mistakenly believe “love” is only hugs and kisses and lollipops and cookies&quot; - That statement is a home run. Most people&#039;s relationship with one&#039;s spouse definitely comes in this category - where as long as everything is cheery and sunshiny, they want to stick with you and enjoy the fun parts in life. But the moment life starts taking sharp turns, they want to run out of the the door first thing in the morning. Nobody really loves tough love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;even if you mistakenly believe “love” is only hugs and kisses and lollipops and cookies&#8221; &#8211; That statement is a home run. Most people&#8217;s relationship with one&#8217;s spouse definitely comes in this category &#8211; where as long as everything is cheery and sunshiny, they want to stick with you and enjoy the fun parts in life. But the moment life starts taking sharp turns, they want to run out of the the door first thing in the morning. Nobody really loves tough love.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Saka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Saka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I caught this documentary on youtube and I agree with his tough love stance. It seems harsh in today&#039;s world because we wrap our loved ones in cotton wool, but succes is a tough road. Much discipline needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught this documentary on youtube and I agree with his tough love stance. It seems harsh in today&#8217;s world because we wrap our loved ones in cotton wool, but succes is a tough road. Much discipline needed!</p>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are most welcome! Check with your public library for books on executive functioning. I read one recently that looked excellent, although I&#039;m sure you are on top of this. 

You and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving, too! And Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, or whatever you celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are most welcome! Check with your public library for books on executive functioning. I read one recently that looked excellent, although I&#8217;m sure you are on top of this. </p>
<p>You and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving, too! And Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, or whatever you celebrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;re staying tough, El Nerdo. So sorry about the robbery, but I&#039;m glad you&#039;re not letting them rob you of your happiness, too.

I checked out the documentary after reading your last piece, and I really enjoyed it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;re staying tough, El Nerdo. So sorry about the robbery, but I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re not letting them rob you of your happiness, too.</p>
<p>I checked out the documentary after reading your last piece, and I really enjoyed it!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t thought of an anxiety disorder per se, but it does fit.  DS has mild Asperger&#039;s and a moderate Executive Function Disorder, and fortunately his school has him on an IEP (individual education plan) that takes his issues into account and is proactive in dealing with him (I just now finished emailing his counselor about strategy to improve his social skills).  I will look into your suggestion, and thank you for providing it.  Have a good holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought of an anxiety disorder per se, but it does fit.  DS has mild Asperger&#8217;s and a moderate Executive Function Disorder, and fortunately his school has him on an IEP (individual education plan) that takes his issues into account and is proactive in dealing with him (I just now finished emailing his counselor about strategy to improve his social skills).  I will look into your suggestion, and thank you for providing it.  Have a good holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: El Nerdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Nerdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clare, thanks for the reply.

Quickly (because it&#039;s late): Jiro didn&#039;t push any kid out of the door-- he pushed a highly trained chef of ripe adult age whose skills he had honed for many many years so that said chef could open up his own restaurant.

&quot;No home to go back to&quot; was at that point a symbolic gesture, a metaphor that compelled the very grownup son to plow ahead and never turn back (lest he turn to a salt statue perhaps?).  (This reminds me too of Cinema Paradiso, where Alfredo says to Toto-- &quot;never return&quot;.) Those words to his chef son-- that was a rite of passage.

Jiro himself was cruelly abandoned at the age of nine, but he didn&#039;t do that to his sons-- he trained them as best as he could so they could have a future.

For me, &quot;no home to go back to&quot; has come to mean something more fundamental-- that there is no way to turn back the clock, that everything always changes, that in life the only direction we can move is forward because time does not rewind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clare, thanks for the reply.</p>
<p>Quickly (because it&#8217;s late): Jiro didn&#8217;t push any kid out of the door&#8211; he pushed a highly trained chef of ripe adult age whose skills he had honed for many many years so that said chef could open up his own restaurant.</p>
<p>&#8220;No home to go back to&#8221; was at that point a symbolic gesture, a metaphor that compelled the very grownup son to plow ahead and never turn back (lest he turn to a salt statue perhaps?).  (This reminds me too of Cinema Paradiso, where Alfredo says to Toto&#8211; &#8220;never return&#8221;.) Those words to his chef son&#8211; that was a rite of passage.</p>
<p>Jiro himself was cruelly abandoned at the age of nine, but he didn&#8217;t do that to his sons&#8211; he trained them as best as he could so they could have a future.</p>
<p>For me, &#8220;no home to go back to&#8221; has come to mean something more fundamental&#8211; that there is no way to turn back the clock, that everything always changes, that in life the only direction we can move is forward because time does not rewind.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post this morning, but wanted to take my time to address your comments about children and upbringing and parental roles. While all of us know people--kids and adults--whose parents have &quot;helped (enabled) their kids too much and too often, I disagree that the solution is necessarily to make sure kids believe they have no home to return to. Nor do I think that many kids whose parents have helped them more than mine helped me 25 years ago are &quot;failures.&quot; Sometimes having a home to return to (or even just knowing it&#039;s there) helps a person take more risks. And that is sometimes a good thing.

You mention Hayden&#039;s poem &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; which is probably my favorite poem--and one I have taught to my inner-city high school students. My interpretation of the poem appears to be different from your own--I think the speaker is recalling a very difficult childhood filled with &quot;chronic angers&quot; and realizing (from the vantage point of adulthood) that his father did love him--and showed it by doing things (making a fire, polishing his child&#039;s shoes)for his child. This poem is not about the virtues of &quot;tough love,&quot; nor would Hayden&#039;s childhood (or adulthood, for that matter) be anything you would wish on anyone.

I enjoy your writing very much, and I&#039;m truly sorry about the burglary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post this morning, but wanted to take my time to address your comments about children and upbringing and parental roles. While all of us know people&#8211;kids and adults&#8211;whose parents have &#8220;helped (enabled) their kids too much and too often, I disagree that the solution is necessarily to make sure kids believe they have no home to return to. Nor do I think that many kids whose parents have helped them more than mine helped me 25 years ago are &#8220;failures.&#8221; Sometimes having a home to return to (or even just knowing it&#8217;s there) helps a person take more risks. And that is sometimes a good thing.</p>
<p>You mention Hayden&#8217;s poem &#8220;Those Winter Sundays,&#8221; which is probably my favorite poem&#8211;and one I have taught to my inner-city high school students. My interpretation of the poem appears to be different from your own&#8211;I think the speaker is recalling a very difficult childhood filled with &#8220;chronic angers&#8221; and realizing (from the vantage point of adulthood) that his father did love him&#8211;and showed it by doing things (making a fire, polishing his child&#8217;s shoes)for his child. This poem is not about the virtues of &#8220;tough love,&#8221; nor would Hayden&#8217;s childhood (or adulthood, for that matter) be anything you would wish on anyone.</p>
<p>I enjoy your writing very much, and I&#8217;m truly sorry about the burglary.</p>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a gadget that can make loud, deep barking sounds when your door is rattled. Just search &quot;barking dog door&quot; and you can find them. 

They don&#039;t require feeding!

I hope you get to a point where you can have another dog in your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a gadget that can make loud, deep barking sounds when your door is rattled. Just search &#8220;barking dog door&#8221; and you can find them. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t require feeding!</p>
<p>I hope you get to a point where you can have another dog in your life.</p>
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		<title>By: El Nerdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Nerdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up with German Shepherds, and those animals are awesome, yes. However in my current living circumstances dogs are not allowed in the property (much less big ones) and we don&#039;t want the added burden of having an additional mouth to feed and all the responsibilities that entails. In the future, when we have children and a house, perhaps, perhaps... thanks for the suggestion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with German Shepherds, and those animals are awesome, yes. However in my current living circumstances dogs are not allowed in the property (much less big ones) and we don&#8217;t want the added burden of having an additional mouth to feed and all the responsibilities that entails. In the future, when we have children and a house, perhaps, perhaps&#8230; thanks for the suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: El Nerdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Nerdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tyler,

I hear what you say, and we&#039;ve considered it a lot, believe me.  

My wife grew up around guns in a rural environment.  Her father has a veritable arsenal at home.  Me, I grew up in a city in a no-gun home and had zero familiarity with them, and I used to be allergic to guns.  I&#039;ve been mugged several times and survived because I have no problem handing over my wallet.

Our concern and the reason why we are choosing this path, at this point, is that we don&#039;t want to be in a situation where we need to defend ourselves and we lack the means to do so. It&#039;s not about defending our things, but our lives.  

So to us it&#039;s a matter of preparedness--not against theft and things that can be covered by insurance, but rather against violence that can come out of nowhere.

Our experience with the police is that they show up and take a report abut are rarely there when you need them.  It&#039;s already happened to us that we had to deal with a crazy violent person and fortunately he wasn&#039;t armed. If he had been, I don&#039;t know what we would have done or how long we would have lasted while the police arrived. We don&#039;t have a &quot;safe room&quot; at home.

Of course we aren&#039;t making this decision lightly-- if go down that path it&#039;s not going to be a casual purchase.  I always complain that people get more training to operate a car than they get to own a gun-- so we will not do this (IF we do) without following up with all the necessary education to be responsible gun owners.  

So in the interest of clarity in communication please realize that, if we do, we wouldn&#039;t be getting a weapon as an anti-theft device (things can be replaced, lives can&#039;t), but rather as a life-saving instrument of last resort.  

I don&#039;t expect that everyone would agree with this conclusion of course, some years ago I would have reached the opposite one, but at this point, and in my current environment, this seems to us a last resort for self-protection. If they want our car keys however I&#039;ll gladly hand them over. Makes sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tyler,</p>
<p>I hear what you say, and we&#8217;ve considered it a lot, believe me.  </p>
<p>My wife grew up around guns in a rural environment.  Her father has a veritable arsenal at home.  Me, I grew up in a city in a no-gun home and had zero familiarity with them, and I used to be allergic to guns.  I&#8217;ve been mugged several times and survived because I have no problem handing over my wallet.</p>
<p>Our concern and the reason why we are choosing this path, at this point, is that we don&#8217;t want to be in a situation where we need to defend ourselves and we lack the means to do so. It&#8217;s not about defending our things, but our lives.  </p>
<p>So to us it&#8217;s a matter of preparedness&#8211;not against theft and things that can be covered by insurance, but rather against violence that can come out of nowhere.</p>
<p>Our experience with the police is that they show up and take a report abut are rarely there when you need them.  It&#8217;s already happened to us that we had to deal with a crazy violent person and fortunately he wasn&#8217;t armed. If he had been, I don&#8217;t know what we would have done or how long we would have lasted while the police arrived. We don&#8217;t have a &#8220;safe room&#8221; at home.</p>
<p>Of course we aren&#8217;t making this decision lightly&#8211; if go down that path it&#8217;s not going to be a casual purchase.  I always complain that people get more training to operate a car than they get to own a gun&#8211; so we will not do this (IF we do) without following up with all the necessary education to be responsible gun owners.  </p>
<p>So in the interest of clarity in communication please realize that, if we do, we wouldn&#8217;t be getting a weapon as an anti-theft device (things can be replaced, lives can&#8217;t), but rather as a life-saving instrument of last resort.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect that everyone would agree with this conclusion of course, some years ago I would have reached the opposite one, but at this point, and in my current environment, this seems to us a last resort for self-protection. If they want our car keys however I&#8217;ll gladly hand them over. Makes sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry to hear of your robbery.    We know that shock and ensuing rage all too well.

Can I suggest a German Shepherd?    They&#039;re wonderful, loving family dogs.    You don&#039;t need to train a Shepherd as a guard dog.    Teach him to love you and he (or she) will guard your home and property with his (or her) life.    Best deterrent/alarm system/home defense in the world.    And a best friend to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry to hear of your robbery.    We know that shock and ensuing rage all too well.</p>
<p>Can I suggest a German Shepherd?    They&#8217;re wonderful, loving family dogs.    You don&#8217;t need to train a Shepherd as a guard dog.    Teach him to love you and he (or she) will guard your home and property with his (or her) life.    Best deterrent/alarm system/home defense in the world.    And a best friend to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ninja Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ninja Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God Bless You! 

Albeit I&#039;m a blonde American, my first language was Japanese. And until age 17, I lived in Tokyo. So, I&#039;m very familiar with old school parental tough love which does seem especially important in father-son relationships. 

Whether the principles of toughness are applied in Japan, America or anywhere else - to paraphrase Scott Peck of The Road Less Traveled - life is tough and the sooner we accept this, the journey is easier. However, that does not diminish your right to feelings of violation and anger after a burglary. And I commend you for choosing to move on. It is an inspiring reminder that planet earth is a classroom. I simply need to learn my lessons and love to the best of my ability. And hang tough - like Jiro-san and his son - when the going gets tough.</description>
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<p>Albeit I&#8217;m a blonde American, my first language was Japanese. And until age 17, I lived in Tokyo. So, I&#8217;m very familiar with old school parental tough love which does seem especially important in father-son relationships. </p>
<p>Whether the principles of toughness are applied in Japan, America or anywhere else &#8211; to paraphrase Scott Peck of The Road Less Traveled &#8211; life is tough and the sooner we accept this, the journey is easier. However, that does not diminish your right to feelings of violation and anger after a burglary. And I commend you for choosing to move on. It is an inspiring reminder that planet earth is a classroom. I simply need to learn my lessons and love to the best of my ability. And hang tough &#8211; like Jiro-san and his son &#8211; when the going gets tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you considered that your son may suffer from an anxiety disorder? Please don&#039;t just laugh this suggestion off; treatment makes a world of difference between a joyful life and an anxious, upset one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you considered that your son may suffer from an anxiety disorder? Please don&#8217;t just laugh this suggestion off; treatment makes a world of difference between a joyful life and an anxious, upset one.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh El Nerdo! The timing of your post is wonderful. I was just sitting here feeling disheartened. Then I read your article and I felt like you had written it to me alone. 

I needed someone to tell me to be &quot;tough&quot;, thank you.

On the subject of Jiro&#039;s parenting, as a parent of two young children and two more on the way, I don&#039;t know I want to be as tough but I certainly want to raise my children to have resilience and independence. 

Thank you for your post, it has raised my spirits and I&#039;m off to &quot;toughen up&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh El Nerdo! The timing of your post is wonderful. I was just sitting here feeling disheartened. Then I read your article and I felt like you had written it to me alone. </p>
<p>I needed someone to tell me to be &#8220;tough&#8221;, thank you.</p>
<p>On the subject of Jiro&#8217;s parenting, as a parent of two young children and two more on the way, I don&#8217;t know I want to be as tough but I certainly want to raise my children to have resilience and independence. </p>
<p>Thank you for your post, it has raised my spirits and I&#8217;m off to &#8220;toughen up&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent, IMHO I agree that it depends on your child&#039;s temperament.  My DS never wanted to be independent even (especially) as a toddler, and at age 15 finds it difficult and frightening to think he might have to leave home (this is the same boy who, when we bought a house 3 years ago and was given the choice of a bedroom upstairs by himself or downstairs next to the &#039;rents chose the latter so he wouldn&#039;t be alone).  I can&#039;t imagine trying to turn him out of the house.  If he&#039;d had Jiro&#039;s childhood, he would have died in the streets.

At the same time, we have told him from Day One that as an adult, if he wants to live at home to save money and feel secure, he has to either go to college full-time, go to school part-time and work, or work full-time, and we expect to collect a percentage of his income for room and board.  He knows flat out: we don&#039;t tolerate bums.  He does want to explore a part-time job but is anxious about balancing it with after-school activities (one of which may lead to employment down the road); I&#039;m more tolerant of his not working while he&#039;s full-time in school.

There are some people who easily work and go to school with a heavy load, and others who can&#039;t.  I think people are like flowers: there are daisies that will grow at the side of a highway, orchids that require hothouse conditions to bloom properly, and everything in-between.  It&#039;s knowing what type your kid is that dictates how heavy your hand should be.  But no completely free rides, with the exception of a child who is unable to earn an income due to physical/mental disabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent, IMHO I agree that it depends on your child&#8217;s temperament.  My DS never wanted to be independent even (especially) as a toddler, and at age 15 finds it difficult and frightening to think he might have to leave home (this is the same boy who, when we bought a house 3 years ago and was given the choice of a bedroom upstairs by himself or downstairs next to the &#8216;rents chose the latter so he wouldn&#8217;t be alone).  I can&#8217;t imagine trying to turn him out of the house.  If he&#8217;d had Jiro&#8217;s childhood, he would have died in the streets.</p>
<p>At the same time, we have told him from Day One that as an adult, if he wants to live at home to save money and feel secure, he has to either go to college full-time, go to school part-time and work, or work full-time, and we expect to collect a percentage of his income for room and board.  He knows flat out: we don&#8217;t tolerate bums.  He does want to explore a part-time job but is anxious about balancing it with after-school activities (one of which may lead to employment down the road); I&#8217;m more tolerant of his not working while he&#8217;s full-time in school.</p>
<p>There are some people who easily work and go to school with a heavy load, and others who can&#8217;t.  I think people are like flowers: there are daisies that will grow at the side of a highway, orchids that require hothouse conditions to bloom properly, and everything in-between.  It&#8217;s knowing what type your kid is that dictates how heavy your hand should be.  But no completely free rides, with the exception of a child who is unable to earn an income due to physical/mental disabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Karaszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Karaszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...and we’ve visited the gun range as we ponder a “home defense” purchase and accompanying training (this was terrifying at first, but lots of fun.)&lt;/i&gt;

I think it&#039;s sad that so many of our responses to these sorts of events are to (quite literally) begin escalating an arms race.

Besides, it&#039;s impossible to keep a gun in a manner that&#039;s both safe and quickly accessible. A gun safely locked in a safe with the ammo in a separate location is not going to help you when your home is being invaded. An unlocked gun with readily available ammunition is criminal negligence in a home with children in it.

I am not an anti-gun person, but I am anti-home-defense-gun person, as I think they&#039;re foolish purchases that are more likely to do harm than good, and they&#039;re purchases that are normally based in dangerous emotions, like fear.

As an anecdote, I know a person who has owned guns all his life, and has never needed to use it in a defensive situation. One night he accidentally shot a hole in his garage floor, though. Luckily nobody was hurt, but that was only by chance. What if it had been the wall instead of the floor? His wife and children were sleeping in the house.

In fact, I know a lot of long-time gun owners, and none of them have ever needed to use weapons in defense. One person Accidentally shot himself in the leg which resulted in a permanent injury. I don&#039;t know how many people have stories like the first one I told. I don&#039;t think people like to share them, &quot;hey, let me tell you about the one time I did something stupid and nearly killed myself!&quot;

I agree that the shooting range is fun. But the shooting range is not a &quot;home defense&quot; situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;and we’ve visited the gun range as we ponder a “home defense” purchase and accompanying training (this was terrifying at first, but lots of fun.)</i></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s sad that so many of our responses to these sorts of events are to (quite literally) begin escalating an arms race.</p>
<p>Besides, it&#8217;s impossible to keep a gun in a manner that&#8217;s both safe and quickly accessible. A gun safely locked in a safe with the ammo in a separate location is not going to help you when your home is being invaded. An unlocked gun with readily available ammunition is criminal negligence in a home with children in it.</p>
<p>I am not an anti-gun person, but I am anti-home-defense-gun person, as I think they&#8217;re foolish purchases that are more likely to do harm than good, and they&#8217;re purchases that are normally based in dangerous emotions, like fear.</p>
<p>As an anecdote, I know a person who has owned guns all his life, and has never needed to use it in a defensive situation. One night he accidentally shot a hole in his garage floor, though. Luckily nobody was hurt, but that was only by chance. What if it had been the wall instead of the floor? His wife and children were sleeping in the house.</p>
<p>In fact, I know a lot of long-time gun owners, and none of them have ever needed to use weapons in defense. One person Accidentally shot himself in the leg which resulted in a permanent injury. I don&#8217;t know how many people have stories like the first one I told. I don&#8217;t think people like to share them, &#8220;hey, let me tell you about the one time I did something stupid and nearly killed myself!&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that the shooting range is fun. But the shooting range is not a &#8220;home defense&#8221; situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all a balance.  If you end up paying more in insurance and security than the property is worth, that&#039;s a loss too.  

Trying to get something replaced that was &quot;covered by insurance&quot; sometimes results in a smaller check than is expected, which is a different form of frustration.  We filed an insurance claim on a valuable item a number of years ago, and insurance only wanted to pay 50-75% of replacement cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all a balance.  If you end up paying more in insurance and security than the property is worth, that&#8217;s a loss too.  </p>
<p>Trying to get something replaced that was &#8220;covered by insurance&#8221; sometimes results in a smaller check than is expected, which is a different form of frustration.  We filed an insurance claim on a valuable item a number of years ago, and insurance only wanted to pay 50-75% of replacement cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on the situation.  I lived with my family a couple of times after college, but always for short transition periods (a couple of months before moving abroad, several months before leaving for grad school).  It was a help financially but was mainly wonderful to get to spend that time involved in the day to day lives of my family, especially my younger siblings.

I guess I never thought it was &#039;enabling&#039; or &#039;exploitative&#039; because I was always working, was never there indefinitely, always helped out around the house, and well, we all just liked each other a lot and enjoyed the chance to be together!  

I hope to have the same kind of relationship with my kids, expect them to work to take care of themselves, but be there to help out when needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on the situation.  I lived with my family a couple of times after college, but always for short transition periods (a couple of months before moving abroad, several months before leaving for grad school).  It was a help financially but was mainly wonderful to get to spend that time involved in the day to day lives of my family, especially my younger siblings.</p>
<p>I guess I never thought it was &#8216;enabling&#8217; or &#8216;exploitative&#8217; because I was always working, was never there indefinitely, always helped out around the house, and well, we all just liked each other a lot and enjoyed the chance to be together!  </p>
<p>I hope to have the same kind of relationship with my kids, expect them to work to take care of themselves, but be there to help out when needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I left home for college, I think I pretty much knew I wasn&#039;t going back. My mom never said that I couldn&#039;t come home, but I knew it was prefereble for everyone involved that I didn&#039;t. I think there&#039;s a line between telling your children they can never come home ever in a million years, and just letting it be known that you expect them to do it on their own. That doesn&#039;t mean as a parent that you would ever let your child be homeless, and that you wouldn&#039;t support them in other ways if needed. Lord knows, my dad helped me pay rent on more than one occasion. I think it&#039;s having that expectation from your parents that you will try your dambdest to do it alone that&#039;s necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I left home for college, I think I pretty much knew I wasn&#8217;t going back. My mom never said that I couldn&#8217;t come home, but I knew it was prefereble for everyone involved that I didn&#8217;t. I think there&#8217;s a line between telling your children they can never come home ever in a million years, and just letting it be known that you expect them to do it on their own. That doesn&#8217;t mean as a parent that you would ever let your child be homeless, and that you wouldn&#8217;t support them in other ways if needed. Lord knows, my dad helped me pay rent on more than one occasion. I think it&#8217;s having that expectation from your parents that you will try your dambdest to do it alone that&#8217;s necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramblin' Ma'am</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramblin' Ma'am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The expectation in my family was that when we finished college, we were out of the house. Now, would my mother and stepfather have let me starve? No. If I was truly destitute, I could have moved back home. But, in retrospect, it was a bit like being on a reality show. No one is actually in danger of starving on &quot;Survivor,&quot; but if you end up being rescued by the producers, you&#039;ve lost. I didn&#039;t want to lose.

My cousin--a spoiled only child--is in his late twenties and still lives at home. He doesn&#039;t help his parents with their mortgage or any bills. He works, but his father got him the job. He considers it a laudable achievement that he pays his own phone bill.

I am grateful to my mother and stepfather for forcing me to succeed on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The expectation in my family was that when we finished college, we were out of the house. Now, would my mother and stepfather have let me starve? No. If I was truly destitute, I could have moved back home. But, in retrospect, it was a bit like being on a reality show. No one is actually in danger of starving on &#8220;Survivor,&#8221; but if you end up being rescued by the producers, you&#8217;ve lost. I didn&#8217;t want to lose.</p>
<p>My cousin&#8211;a spoiled only child&#8211;is in his late twenties and still lives at home. He doesn&#8217;t help his parents with their mortgage or any bills. He works, but his father got him the job. He considers it a laudable achievement that he pays his own phone bill.</p>
<p>I am grateful to my mother and stepfather for forcing me to succeed on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a personality thing too. My mother did tell me I can come home anytime (especially when I married someone she knew was not a good person).  Despite many hardships along the way: having to leave my ex-husband to spare my life, job loss, disability, etc, I never went back even when I should have! I think it was due to misplaced pride and the fact that I didn&#039;t want to live by her rules (follow her religion). I lived, I survived, but by the skin of my teeth in a few cases.  

I&#039;m still on the fence when it comes to Jiro&#039;s philosophy.  Not everyone can make the right decision when it comes to how to support themselves.  People do make mistakes. I followed my mothers direction and it was the worst decision I could have made and it didn&#039;t get me very far. What worked for one generation and one type of personality may not work for their offspring and in a completely different economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a personality thing too. My mother did tell me I can come home anytime (especially when I married someone she knew was not a good person).  Despite many hardships along the way: having to leave my ex-husband to spare my life, job loss, disability, etc, I never went back even when I should have! I think it was due to misplaced pride and the fact that I didn&#8217;t want to live by her rules (follow her religion). I lived, I survived, but by the skin of my teeth in a few cases.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still on the fence when it comes to Jiro&#8217;s philosophy.  Not everyone can make the right decision when it comes to how to support themselves.  People do make mistakes. I followed my mothers direction and it was the worst decision I could have made and it didn&#8217;t get me very far. What worked for one generation and one type of personality may not work for their offspring and in a completely different economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Student Loans Worked Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student Loans Worked Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned, there has to be a balance. Also, this might be very individual. My parents *always* made it clear to all children that family will always back them up, we will *always* have their support (and a place to live, if needs be). Myself and all my siblings are doing fine: we are all married, have steady jobs, houses etc. For me, though, it was important to know that I have my parents&#039; support even if I fail - that made me take risks which I think paid off. 
Additionally, I think it is unfair to just blame the parents when kids refuse to mature. It&#039;s a personality thing. I know several families where one brother is doing great, steady on his feet, and another one is having lots of problems, constantly hitting parents for money, moving in with them etc. Both had pretty much the same upbringing, as far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned, there has to be a balance. Also, this might be very individual. My parents *always* made it clear to all children that family will always back them up, we will *always* have their support (and a place to live, if needs be). Myself and all my siblings are doing fine: we are all married, have steady jobs, houses etc. For me, though, it was important to know that I have my parents&#8217; support even if I fail &#8211; that made me take risks which I think paid off.<br />
Additionally, I think it is unfair to just blame the parents when kids refuse to mature. It&#8217;s a personality thing. I know several families where one brother is doing great, steady on his feet, and another one is having lots of problems, constantly hitting parents for money, moving in with them etc. Both had pretty much the same upbringing, as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: El Nerdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Nerdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! Are we related? I have *the same* uncle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Are we related? I have *the same* uncle!</p>
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		<title>By: Babs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A most excellent post and comments.  So much to think about here.  Loss and pain are unavoidable. I am 57 years old and I could fill pages with horror stories, stuff I never dreamed would happen when I was young and even more stupid than I am now.  But I am too lazy.
Resilience is necessary to bear the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
Sorry for your loss but congratulations for your attitude.
My company has a great independent insurance agent.  He has been a great partner for many years.
Be wary of alarm companies.  I have found them to be something of a racket.  Contracts full of fine print, etc.  That could be a post itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A most excellent post and comments.  So much to think about here.  Loss and pain are unavoidable. I am 57 years old and I could fill pages with horror stories, stuff I never dreamed would happen when I was young and even more stupid than I am now.  But I am too lazy.<br />
Resilience is necessary to bear the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.<br />
Sorry for your loss but congratulations for your attitude.<br />
My company has a great independent insurance agent.  He has been a great partner for many years.<br />
Be wary of alarm companies.  I have found them to be something of a racket.  Contracts full of fine print, etc.  That could be a post itself.</p>
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