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		<title>By: Efergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Efergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m agree with amanda! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m agree with amanda! <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: elysummers</title>
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		<dc:creator>elysummers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite agree with the author.  I grew up in a well-to-do household.  I realized early in life that money(as in chasing the almighty dollar) wasn&#039;t everything.  I think I grew up to appreciate having money to spend on really important things. I intentionally left home at 18 and moved 800 miles away.  I wasn&#039;t enamoured with the lack of love and attention that I received as a child.  Their (&#039;rents) answer to &quot;love&quot; was to throw some cash at me and tell me to go to the mall. I figured out how to go my own way and make a living on my own. - no college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t quite agree with the author.  I grew up in a well-to-do household.  I realized early in life that money(as in chasing the almighty dollar) wasn&#8217;t everything.  I think I grew up to appreciate having money to spend on really important things. I intentionally left home at 18 and moved 800 miles away.  I wasn&#8217;t enamoured with the lack of love and attention that I received as a child.  Their (&#8216;rents) answer to &#8220;love&#8221; was to throw some cash at me and tell me to go to the mall. I figured out how to go my own way and make a living on my own. &#8211; no college.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it depends how &quot;poor&quot;...because too poor in this country often means people were often raised to resent those with money while at the same time enjoyng the handout afforded them from the government. It too breeds a sense of entitlement and therefor lack in responsibility and hard work. Its a fine line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it depends how &#8220;poor&#8221;&#8230;because too poor in this country often means people were often raised to resent those with money while at the same time enjoyng the handout afforded them from the government. It too breeds a sense of entitlement and therefor lack in responsibility and hard work. Its a fine line.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great points - thank you!  I think it can be very hard for parents to teach &quot;the value of the dollar&quot; since if you&#039;re affluent a dollar really isn&#039;t worth much.  Value is about how much things mean to you individually and I don&#039;t believe you can define a universal value for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great points &#8211; thank you!  I think it can be very hard for parents to teach &#8220;the value of the dollar&#8221; since if you&#8217;re affluent a dollar really isn&#8217;t worth much.  Value is about how much things mean to you individually and I don&#8217;t believe you can define a universal value for something.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are terrible odds! Think about it --  ability and luck are on a bell curve, with most people clustered around the average, and with extremes rare on both sides. Now imagine that you&#039;re born in a family that&#039;s in the lowest fifth economically. If your life depends just on your ability and your subsequent choices, there&#039;s a 20% chance that you&#039;ll stay in the same place socioeconomically that you grow up in, and a 40% chance that you&#039;ll be in the bottom two-fifths (and so on). So if outcomes were based only on ability and merit, we should expect 60% of the people born in the lowest fifth to break into the middle class or get outright rich. However, according to this, only 35% do! There&#039;s inertia to socioeconomic class -- it&#039;s determined by way more than chance and ability alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are terrible odds! Think about it &#8212;  ability and luck are on a bell curve, with most people clustered around the average, and with extremes rare on both sides. Now imagine that you&#8217;re born in a family that&#8217;s in the lowest fifth economically. If your life depends just on your ability and your subsequent choices, there&#8217;s a 20% chance that you&#8217;ll stay in the same place socioeconomically that you grow up in, and a 40% chance that you&#8217;ll be in the bottom two-fifths (and so on). So if outcomes were based only on ability and merit, we should expect 60% of the people born in the lowest fifth to break into the middle class or get outright rich. However, according to this, only 35% do! There&#8217;s inertia to socioeconomic class &#8212; it&#8217;s determined by way more than chance and ability alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poverty is relative. I had a similar experince growing up and feeling poor but virtually everyone that feels poor in the west is really well off. If you have time watch http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_on_poverty.html

Most people in the world live on less than $10 a day so I now feel blessed that we were so &quot;rich&quot;. Once you realize that what is the difference between one rich and more rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poverty is relative. I had a similar experince growing up and feeling poor but virtually everyone that feels poor in the west is really well off. If you have time watch <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_on_poverty.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_on_poverty.html</a></p>
<p>Most people in the world live on less than $10 a day so I now feel blessed that we were so &#8220;rich&#8221;. Once you realize that what is the difference between one rich and more rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It absolutely depends on the family dynamics.  You don&#039;t have to be poor to learn the value of money.  Parents have a responsibility to teach this to their kids.  It will lead to more grateful adults.  And, having well-adjusted (not entitled) adults is insurance for our future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It absolutely depends on the family dynamics.  You don&#8217;t have to be poor to learn the value of money.  Parents have a responsibility to teach this to their kids.  It will lead to more grateful adults.  And, having well-adjusted (not entitled) adults is insurance for our future.</p>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or join the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or join the military.</p>
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		<title>By: CYH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CYH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely have experienced the impoverished mindset keeping me from enjoying financial freedom. It makes it feel nicer to feel like you have earned what you get. In our brains, our reward system is probably still wired the same way that it learned to be wired during our childhood. It is hard to change that, so that&#039;s why we experience being held back when we don&#039;t need to be.

It can definitely be helpful, like you mentioned when paying off student debt. For me it is helpful because I have just moved and started graduate school again, and will be living on a smaller income than before. I think I&#039;ll try to make small concessions along the way though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely have experienced the impoverished mindset keeping me from enjoying financial freedom. It makes it feel nicer to feel like you have earned what you get. In our brains, our reward system is probably still wired the same way that it learned to be wired during our childhood. It is hard to change that, so that&#8217;s why we experience being held back when we don&#8217;t need to be.</p>
<p>It can definitely be helpful, like you mentioned when paying off student debt. For me it is helpful because I have just moved and started graduate school again, and will be living on a smaller income than before. I think I&#8217;ll try to make small concessions along the way though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McKenna Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark McKenna Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did we ever get to this point?  I&#039;m teaching my 16-year old to focus on the things that matter most in life and to identify the things which matter more than money.  That said, I&#039;m also teaching her that it&#039;s OK to be rich.

- Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did we ever get to this point?  I&#8217;m teaching my 16-year old to focus on the things that matter most in life and to identify the things which matter more than money.  That said, I&#8217;m also teaching her that it&#8217;s OK to be rich.</p>
<p>- Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Into Independence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Into Independence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe growing up poor played a major influence in my passionate focus on achieving financial independence.   It caused me to be more deliberate with my career and savings goals.  I do worry about whether or not my own children will have the same drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe growing up poor played a major influence in my passionate focus on achieving financial independence.   It caused me to be more deliberate with my career and savings goals.  I do worry about whether or not my own children will have the same drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty Mikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty Mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from personal observations, I think it&#039;s confirmation bias that makes people think that poor people have better financial literacy.  You hear about people who started out poor and then overcame (which requires learning financial literacy at some point), because it makes a good story.  Also, those people are more likely to feel like they&#039;ve accomplished something, and therefore go around telling everyone else about it.

What you don&#039;t hear about are poor people with terrible financial literacy (and believe me, there are probably just as many or more of those than the opposite), or more wealthy people with great financial literacy (there are plenty of those, too).  Neither of those situations makes a good story.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from personal observations, I think it&#8217;s confirmation bias that makes people think that poor people have better financial literacy.  You hear about people who started out poor and then overcame (which requires learning financial literacy at some point), because it makes a good story.  Also, those people are more likely to feel like they&#8217;ve accomplished something, and therefore go around telling everyone else about it.</p>
<p>What you don&#8217;t hear about are poor people with terrible financial literacy (and believe me, there are probably just as many or more of those than the opposite), or more wealthy people with great financial literacy (there are plenty of those, too).  Neither of those situations makes a good story.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you are aware of his problems.
Well, &quot;kicking his ass to the curb&quot; probably wouldn&#039;t work. He&#039;d just end up another homeless statistic. 

Being homeless is something I&#039;m terrified of, personally. I have several mental disorders too (including severe anxiety), and have been on a variety of medications to try treat them. Still working on finding the right mix. I&#039;ve also been jobless for 7 years now after a failed graphic design career and am living with parents (although I have gone back to school at this point). I&#039;m also middle-aged.

If my parents had shown tough love and &quot;kicked my ass to the curb&quot;, I can assure you, I&#039;d be either homeless or dead by now. I just don&#039;t have the capacity to function normally in society, and need a lot of help to do so. So don&#039;t be so quick to think that your method would have been the correct one. It&#039;s so hard to know exactly what to do with dependent family members who have mental illnesses. Science just hasn&#039;t made very good advances yet in the area of highly-functioning mentally ill people. (or in the area for low-functioning ones either).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are aware of his problems.<br />
Well, &#8220;kicking his ass to the curb&#8221; probably wouldn&#8217;t work. He&#8217;d just end up another homeless statistic. </p>
<p>Being homeless is something I&#8217;m terrified of, personally. I have several mental disorders too (including severe anxiety), and have been on a variety of medications to try treat them. Still working on finding the right mix. I&#8217;ve also been jobless for 7 years now after a failed graphic design career and am living with parents (although I have gone back to school at this point). I&#8217;m also middle-aged.</p>
<p>If my parents had shown tough love and &#8220;kicked my ass to the curb&#8221;, I can assure you, I&#8217;d be either homeless or dead by now. I just don&#8217;t have the capacity to function normally in society, and need a lot of help to do so. So don&#8217;t be so quick to think that your method would have been the correct one. It&#8217;s so hard to know exactly what to do with dependent family members who have mental illnesses. Science just hasn&#8217;t made very good advances yet in the area of highly-functioning mentally ill people. (or in the area for low-functioning ones either).</p>
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		<title>By: Jen from Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen from Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And many will crumble at the first hard knock life gives them :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And many will crumble at the first hard knock life gives them :/</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom saved some unknown amount for my college education.  I paid for my own car, insurance, phone, books, groceries, etc and was given free rent at home in exchange for going to school.  I transferred a lot of community college credits and so my education came in $10k under budget.  Here is what my mom did: first made sure that I had health insurance (we met with the agent together, my first employer didn&#039;t provide a plan).  Second, we met with a financial advisor and we opened three accounts with the $10k of college funds that remained: 1/4 went into a Roth IRA, 1/4 went into a traditional IRA, and half went to mutual funds. Then she said, I&#039;m no longer your emergency fund, this is your emergency fund, you are on your own now.  The meeting with the advisor was pivotal because he was an new, neutral voice and gave sage advice.  He told me to read D. Bach&#039;s &quot;Smart Women Finish Rich&quot; (which I did), and gave me some advice on thinking about how to negotiate and think about my salary throughout my career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom saved some unknown amount for my college education.  I paid for my own car, insurance, phone, books, groceries, etc and was given free rent at home in exchange for going to school.  I transferred a lot of community college credits and so my education came in $10k under budget.  Here is what my mom did: first made sure that I had health insurance (we met with the agent together, my first employer didn&#8217;t provide a plan).  Second, we met with a financial advisor and we opened three accounts with the $10k of college funds that remained: 1/4 went into a Roth IRA, 1/4 went into a traditional IRA, and half went to mutual funds. Then she said, I&#8217;m no longer your emergency fund, this is your emergency fund, you are on your own now.  The meeting with the advisor was pivotal because he was an new, neutral voice and gave sage advice.  He told me to read D. Bach&#8217;s &#8220;Smart Women Finish Rich&#8221; (which I did), and gave me some advice on thinking about how to negotiate and think about my salary throughout my career.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Landtroop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Landtroop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to this question you asked: 

&quot;How do I go about teaching my children the importance of finance, responsibility and self-sufficiency when I plan to give them a safety net?&quot; 

I believe that you can provide a safety net for your children without telling them - at least until they are young adults (and no longer a financial dependent of yours). Ideally by then (because it would be too late otherwise) you will have already taught them &#039;stick-to-it-iveness&#039; and &#039;perseverance&#039; and any other lesson you wanted them to learn. 

For example, make your children &#039;earn&#039; their spending money - whatever &#039;earn&#039; means to you. I&#039;ve seen &#039;earn&#039; mean doing chores and helping around the house. I&#039;ve also seen it mean getting good grades; and I&#039;ve read about a dad who only paid their children to read books - period. After all, they were expected to get good grades and do their chores - rewarding them for what he expected them to already do seemed counter-intuitive. And the knowledge, language skills and worldliness they learned from reading books of all kinds is irreplaceable in life.

As they are growing up - teach them the pride of a job well done, and that the consequences of not doing so aren&#039;t always just monetary (privileges taken away works very well when done right), seems wise to me. As they are growing up, teach them that if they want something (a new video game, stylish shoes, a popular jacket, etc) they need to spend their own money on it - money they &#039;earned&#039; from you and money that they received from other family members as gifts throughout the year can really add up for a young&#039;un. I have found that when I didn&#039;t offer to buy my son what he wanted (video games are the worst), and instead told him that if he really wanted it then he could use his own money on it - a strange thing happened...more than half of the time he decided he didn&#039;t want/need it that bad. That still cracks me up!

Most importantly, in preparation for the gift of your safety net, teach them that every time they get money, they should divide it four ways: invest some, save some, donate some, and put some in a ‘free to spend’ bucket. That’s what we do in this house. This way, they will understand the difference between those 4 choices and will learn that they are all equally important – when you get a windfall (an extra big birthday check from grandma for a milestone birthday, for example) you will have already taught them what to do with it, while they were still malleable in your home. 

When the time is right, as they are exiting your house (moving into their own apartment or home, going out of state for college, getting married, going into the military), tell them that you have worked hard and saved and that you wanted to provide for them, but you didn’t want it to be a crutch that would keep them from learning how to handle money. You wanted to teach them the financial lessons of responsibility, long-term and short-term investing and charitable giving. And that the rest is what you get to spend. It will be second nature to them. They will take the safety net and divide it four ways and only be at risk for ‘blowing’ ¼ of it. And if they do blow it, that will be a valuable lesson for them, but one that won’t break the bank, so the speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to this question you asked: </p>
<p>&#8220;How do I go about teaching my children the importance of finance, responsibility and self-sufficiency when I plan to give them a safety net?&#8221; </p>
<p>I believe that you can provide a safety net for your children without telling them &#8211; at least until they are young adults (and no longer a financial dependent of yours). Ideally by then (because it would be too late otherwise) you will have already taught them &#8216;stick-to-it-iveness&#8217; and &#8216;perseverance&#8217; and any other lesson you wanted them to learn. </p>
<p>For example, make your children &#8216;earn&#8217; their spending money &#8211; whatever &#8216;earn&#8217; means to you. I&#8217;ve seen &#8216;earn&#8217; mean doing chores and helping around the house. I&#8217;ve also seen it mean getting good grades; and I&#8217;ve read about a dad who only paid their children to read books &#8211; period. After all, they were expected to get good grades and do their chores &#8211; rewarding them for what he expected them to already do seemed counter-intuitive. And the knowledge, language skills and worldliness they learned from reading books of all kinds is irreplaceable in life.</p>
<p>As they are growing up &#8211; teach them the pride of a job well done, and that the consequences of not doing so aren&#8217;t always just monetary (privileges taken away works very well when done right), seems wise to me. As they are growing up, teach them that if they want something (a new video game, stylish shoes, a popular jacket, etc) they need to spend their own money on it &#8211; money they &#8216;earned&#8217; from you and money that they received from other family members as gifts throughout the year can really add up for a young&#8217;un. I have found that when I didn&#8217;t offer to buy my son what he wanted (video games are the worst), and instead told him that if he really wanted it then he could use his own money on it &#8211; a strange thing happened&#8230;more than half of the time he decided he didn&#8217;t want/need it that bad. That still cracks me up!</p>
<p>Most importantly, in preparation for the gift of your safety net, teach them that every time they get money, they should divide it four ways: invest some, save some, donate some, and put some in a ‘free to spend’ bucket. That’s what we do in this house. This way, they will understand the difference between those 4 choices and will learn that they are all equally important – when you get a windfall (an extra big birthday check from grandma for a milestone birthday, for example) you will have already taught them what to do with it, while they were still malleable in your home. </p>
<p>When the time is right, as they are exiting your house (moving into their own apartment or home, going out of state for college, getting married, going into the military), tell them that you have worked hard and saved and that you wanted to provide for them, but you didn’t want it to be a crutch that would keep them from learning how to handle money. You wanted to teach them the financial lessons of responsibility, long-term and short-term investing and charitable giving. And that the rest is what you get to spend. It will be second nature to them. They will take the safety net and divide it four ways and only be at risk for ‘blowing’ ¼ of it. And if they do blow it, that will be a valuable lesson for them, but one that won’t break the bank, so the speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No question our nephew is mentally ill - he suffers from an anxiety disorder and OCD.    The question for my husband and me is how much of this kid&#039;s mental illness was exacerbated by coddling parents and/or used as an excuse to baby him.     They also have not forced him into therapy.    I&#039;m reluctant to judge other people&#039;s parenting because I don&#039;t want someone questioning my own, but this is one of those rare times where I can say with certainty that we would have taken a completely different approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question our nephew is mentally ill &#8211; he suffers from an anxiety disorder and OCD.    The question for my husband and me is how much of this kid&#8217;s mental illness was exacerbated by coddling parents and/or used as an excuse to baby him.     They also have not forced him into therapy.    I&#8217;m reluctant to judge other people&#8217;s parenting because I don&#8217;t want someone questioning my own, but this is one of those rare times where I can say with certainty that we would have taken a completely different approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Monroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thing is that a lot of the things that we think we need we don&#039;t actually need.  For example, my computer is old but it works very well.  Furthermore, if new computers only do the same thing that my computer does why would I throw money away on a new one?  This makes no sense.  If you stop spending your money on things you really don&#039;t need you can do amazing things.  Like I&#039;m about to buy my first house cash, which of course is usually unheard of.  But, instead of a new computer that does the same thing I just kept my money and invested it.  

Another example is the new Iphone.  My phone is old and the screen is cracked so I went to get a new one.  So, I asked them what do these new phones do and he told me they do all the same things that my phone does and nothing new.  They&#039;re just a little bit faster.  Why would I throw my money away for nothing, when again they do the same thing.  

Same thing with the new Iphone, I hear everybody saying they need to buy it but, again other than being a little longer and a little faster it does the acsact same thing as the old iphone.  Sometimes I just want to say come on people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thing is that a lot of the things that we think we need we don&#8217;t actually need.  For example, my computer is old but it works very well.  Furthermore, if new computers only do the same thing that my computer does why would I throw money away on a new one?  This makes no sense.  If you stop spending your money on things you really don&#8217;t need you can do amazing things.  Like I&#8217;m about to buy my first house cash, which of course is usually unheard of.  But, instead of a new computer that does the same thing I just kept my money and invested it.  </p>
<p>Another example is the new Iphone.  My phone is old and the screen is cracked so I went to get a new one.  So, I asked them what do these new phones do and he told me they do all the same things that my phone does and nothing new.  They&#8217;re just a little bit faster.  Why would I throw my money away for nothing, when again they do the same thing.  </p>
<p>Same thing with the new Iphone, I hear everybody saying they need to buy it but, again other than being a little longer and a little faster it does the acsact same thing as the old iphone.  Sometimes I just want to say come on people.</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what mental problems he has that have gone undiagnosed . 
Most healthy adults do NOT want to live with mommy and daddy once they are adults, especially males. If you&#039;re a healthy adult male, you&#039;ll naturally want to be *out* of your parent&#039;s house, with a job and a place of your own. Face it, any potential dates are not going to be impressed if you&#039;re 25, jobless and living with your parents.

Which means there is a high probability that he has some sort of disorder that no one bothered to check into, and just wrote the kid off as lazy. Of course, I&#039;m assuming, just based on your short story, but I&#039;d love to hear to more. So many people with learning/mental disorders get swept under the rug and written off without ever being diagnosed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what mental problems he has that have gone undiagnosed .<br />
Most healthy adults do NOT want to live with mommy and daddy once they are adults, especially males. If you&#8217;re a healthy adult male, you&#8217;ll naturally want to be *out* of your parent&#8217;s house, with a job and a place of your own. Face it, any potential dates are not going to be impressed if you&#8217;re 25, jobless and living with your parents.</p>
<p>Which means there is a high probability that he has some sort of disorder that no one bothered to check into, and just wrote the kid off as lazy. Of course, I&#8217;m assuming, just based on your short story, but I&#8217;d love to hear to more. So many people with learning/mental disorders get swept under the rug and written off without ever being diagnosed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Brick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Brick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a post for Midlife Finance that talks about this issue:

http://midlifefinance.com/2012/12/letter-to-our-children/

How you grew up -- and how your parents responded to those times -- affects you. You can&#039;t help that. What you CAN do is realize why you&#039;re feeling that way...and deal with it. You often can&#039;t directly change a situation (or especially other people) -- but you can change how you deal with it. And more often than not, your attitude can actually have the long-term effect you were wishing for, all along! 
   Sounds a little Miss Suzy Sunshine, but I&#039;ve seen it happen, over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a post for Midlife Finance that talks about this issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://midlifefinance.com/2012/12/letter-to-our-children/" rel="nofollow">http://midlifefinance.com/2012/12/letter-to-our-children/</a></p>
<p>How you grew up &#8212; and how your parents responded to those times &#8212; affects you. You can&#8217;t help that. What you CAN do is realize why you&#8217;re feeling that way&#8230;and deal with it. You often can&#8217;t directly change a situation (or especially other people) &#8212; but you can change how you deal with it. And more often than not, your attitude can actually have the long-term effect you were wishing for, all along!<br />
   Sounds a little Miss Suzy Sunshine, but I&#8217;ve seen it happen, over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky @ RunFunDone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky @ RunFunDone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that parents who have a great deal of money certainly have a big challenge in teaching their children regarding finances and responsibility. However, this is certainly possible. For example, in the case of the child you baby-sat, just because his parents had the means to give him whatever he wanted doesn&#039;t mean that they had to. They certainly could have given him a budget and taught him at a young age about making financial choices. However, I think many families that have a great deal of money choose the easy route, and simply give their children their desires because they can, rather than teaching their children responsibility.

I didn&#039;t grow up in a family with a lot of money, and certainly learned to be financially responsible because of it. I have a doctorate, and my parents did not save any money for my education. There have been times when I wished that they would have set up a college fund for me. Yet, I don&#039;t know that I would value my education as much as I do if my parents had paid for it. I do recall that in college, those of us who had to pay for college ourselves certainly put a lot more effort into our studies than many of the students whose parents were paying their way. Perhaps I&#039;m a romanticizer as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that parents who have a great deal of money certainly have a big challenge in teaching their children regarding finances and responsibility. However, this is certainly possible. For example, in the case of the child you baby-sat, just because his parents had the means to give him whatever he wanted doesn&#8217;t mean that they had to. They certainly could have given him a budget and taught him at a young age about making financial choices. However, I think many families that have a great deal of money choose the easy route, and simply give their children their desires because they can, rather than teaching their children responsibility.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t grow up in a family with a lot of money, and certainly learned to be financially responsible because of it. I have a doctorate, and my parents did not save any money for my education. There have been times when I wished that they would have set up a college fund for me. Yet, I don&#8217;t know that I would value my education as much as I do if my parents had paid for it. I do recall that in college, those of us who had to pay for college ourselves certainly put a lot more effort into our studies than many of the students whose parents were paying their way. Perhaps I&#8217;m a romanticizer as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up in the midwest taught us things like shoveling snow or cutting grass to make our money. We never had money given to us except for birthdays and Christmas time so we had to work to make that money to save up to buy a car and for insurance. I think growing up with your parents having money has a huge impact on kids and how they value money or even understand the mechanics of it. We had to learn the hard way, most kids now seem to expect it and actually have a harder time growing up and getting out on their own. Why move out when things are so good at home. So yes, I think if a kid is from a richer home they should expect them to work for things and limit the material items so when someday they grow up and do not have mom and dads money they will understand how to make a buck on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in the midwest taught us things like shoveling snow or cutting grass to make our money. We never had money given to us except for birthdays and Christmas time so we had to work to make that money to save up to buy a car and for insurance. I think growing up with your parents having money has a huge impact on kids and how they value money or even understand the mechanics of it. We had to learn the hard way, most kids now seem to expect it and actually have a harder time growing up and getting out on their own. Why move out when things are so good at home. So yes, I think if a kid is from a richer home they should expect them to work for things and limit the material items so when someday they grow up and do not have mom and dads money they will understand how to make a buck on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: CCB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren Buffett nor Bill Gates ever endored hardship and they both seem to know the value of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren Buffett nor Bill Gates ever endored hardship and they both seem to know the value of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Savers @ The Money Puzzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Savers @ The Money Puzzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can grow up rich or poor or middle class like me and still learn about hard work.

You can grow up rich or poor or middle class and think that you are ENTITLED to whatever you want without working for it.  It is all in how you are raised.

Did your parents teach you to work hard?
Did your parents teach you to take what you want even if you don&#039;t deserve it and even if it hurts someone else? 

Did your parents work hard or were they takers?  Welfare cheats or work place bullies or slum landlords or thieves.  Children learn by example.  What did you learn from your parents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can grow up rich or poor or middle class like me and still learn about hard work.</p>
<p>You can grow up rich or poor or middle class and think that you are ENTITLED to whatever you want without working for it.  It is all in how you are raised.</p>
<p>Did your parents teach you to work hard?<br />
Did your parents teach you to take what you want even if you don&#8217;t deserve it and even if it hurts someone else? </p>
<p>Did your parents work hard or were they takers?  Welfare cheats or work place bullies or slum landlords or thieves.  Children learn by example.  What did you learn from your parents?</p>
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		<title>By: My Financial Independence Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Financial Independence Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can grow up in privilege or poverty.  If you are never taught the basics of personal finance, you&#039;re going to be at a disadvantage.

Rich people can spend themselves into debt just as quickly as poor people - they just buy more expensive stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can grow up in privilege or poverty.  If you are never taught the basics of personal finance, you&#8217;re going to be at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>Rich people can spend themselves into debt just as quickly as poor people &#8211; they just buy more expensive stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also many kids grow up in the same house and turn out differently because the concept of money wasn&#039;t actually &quot;taught.&quot;  The kids just observed their parent&#039;s behaviour and each learned a different lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also many kids grow up in the same house and turn out differently because the concept of money wasn&#8217;t actually &#8220;taught.&#8221;  The kids just observed their parent&#8217;s behaviour and each learned a different lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen...I love your articles.  They are so thought provoking that I find it difficult to believe you are still a &quot;young person.&quot;  You need a bigger audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen&#8230;I love your articles.  They are so thought provoking that I find it difficult to believe you are still a &#8220;young person.&#8221;  You need a bigger audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane says:	
03 January 2013 at 12:41 pm

“And now, one of us can afford plenty of large ice creams, but won’t even go to the ice cream shop for a small, one of us can afford plenty of small ice creams, and enjoys going to the ice cream shop for a small, and the last one of us can’t afford a small ice cream, but enjoys going to the ice cream shop for a large.”

What a great use of Kristin’s anecdote! Thank you for the laugh and the insights. May I ask, which one are you? The middle one?

I&#039;m actually the first one. I have plenty of money to buy the large ice cream, but I have a very difficult time spending money on ice cream, in addition to almost anything else. 

I struggle to spend a few dollars on items sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane says:<br />
03 January 2013 at 12:41 pm</p>
<p>“And now, one of us can afford plenty of large ice creams, but won’t even go to the ice cream shop for a small, one of us can afford plenty of small ice creams, and enjoys going to the ice cream shop for a small, and the last one of us can’t afford a small ice cream, but enjoys going to the ice cream shop for a large.”</p>
<p>What a great use of Kristin’s anecdote! Thank you for the laugh and the insights. May I ask, which one are you? The middle one?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually the first one. I have plenty of money to buy the large ice cream, but I have a very difficult time spending money on ice cream, in addition to almost anything else. </p>
<p>I struggle to spend a few dollars on items sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would guess that at least 65% of those born into the lowest levels of income demonstrate little initiative to climb above that&quot;

And how many people born into wealth (or even the middle class) have the &quot;initiative&quot; to climb higher or even just maintain their status completely on their own, rather than just relying upon established networks and familial safety nets? 

Poverty affects your life in so many ways from the time you&#039;re very young, and often produces lingering effects that can never be fully erased, no matter the interventions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would guess that at least 65% of those born into the lowest levels of income demonstrate little initiative to climb above that&#8221;</p>
<p>And how many people born into wealth (or even the middle class) have the &#8220;initiative&#8221; to climb higher or even just maintain their status completely on their own, rather than just relying upon established networks and familial safety nets? </p>
<p>Poverty affects your life in so many ways from the time you&#8217;re very young, and often produces lingering effects that can never be fully erased, no matter the interventions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2013/01/03/romanticizing-poverty-and-learning-financial-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-3195722</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adjusting the delivery of the message to the audience is important, but the core idea of teaching kids about how money works stays the same. A parent (ideally) isn&#039;t teaching one child how to have a healthy relationship with money and their other child that they are entitled to everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adjusting the delivery of the message to the audience is important, but the core idea of teaching kids about how money works stays the same. A parent (ideally) isn&#8217;t teaching one child how to have a healthy relationship with money and their other child that they are entitled to everything.</p>
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