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	<title>Comments on: Reader Story: Dividends or bust: Thinking critically about investment</title>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting and great point about dividends. I&#039;m invested in Vanguard&#039;s High Dividend Yield ETF, which has an even lower expense ratio - .13% - and, of course, the other advantages that come with investing in an ETF. The dividends are just reinvested, and the fund is held in my SEP IRA, so I don&#039;t take any tax hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting and great point about dividends. I&#8217;m invested in Vanguard&#8217;s High Dividend Yield ETF, which has an even lower expense ratio &#8211; .13% &#8211; and, of course, the other advantages that come with investing in an ETF. The dividends are just reinvested, and the fund is held in my SEP IRA, so I don&#8217;t take any tax hits.</p>
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		<title>By: John @ WILDaboutFinance</title>
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		<dc:creator>John @ WILDaboutFinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Cuban is an interesting guy and his opinions should always be taken into account and looked at, but aren&#039;t always right. Then again, who is?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Cuban is an interesting guy and his opinions should always be taken into account and looked at, but aren&#8217;t always right. Then again, who is?!</p>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know first hand that at least one company does EXACTLY what Mark Cuban describes in his blog regarding the stock.  That being said, I am still a boglehead (although I do S&amp;D).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know first hand that at least one company does EXACTLY what Mark Cuban describes in his blog regarding the stock.  That being said, I am still a boglehead (although I do S&amp;D).</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Power Of &#039;Double Compounding&#039; In Dividend Growth Stocks

http://seekingalpha.com/article/714501-the-power-of-double-compounding-in-dividend-growth-stocks

There&#039;s one more thing thing, 
 . . . whenever the stock price goes up, you make a paper profit,
 . . . whenever the stock price goes down, you make a real profit,
 . . . as your dividends buy more shares cheaper and
 . . . if your smart, you throw some optional cash in at that time.

Once, you realize, that your making money no matter if the price
 . . . goes up or down, you stop worrying and sleep nights, and
 . . . if your company has a tripple-A rating,
 . . . you have a money making machine.

Recessions, scare off other investors, 
 . . . but that&#039;s when your reinvested money machine is automatically,
 . . . buying more shares, that will pay growing dividends, that
 . . . compound year after year.

1) Dividend 3.4%
2) Dividend payout $ grows each year
3) Recession drives price down, allowing Dividend $ to buy 
 . . . more shares for the same amount of money.
4) Re-invested shares &quot;Compound&quot; total stock $ value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Power Of &#8216;Double Compounding&#8217; In Dividend Growth Stocks</p>
<p><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/714501-the-power-of-double-compounding-in-dividend-growth-stocks" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/714501-the-power-of-double-compounding-in-dividend-growth-stocks</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s one more thing thing,<br />
 . . . whenever the stock price goes up, you make a paper profit,<br />
 . . . whenever the stock price goes down, you make a real profit,<br />
 . . . as your dividends buy more shares cheaper and<br />
 . . . if your smart, you throw some optional cash in at that time.</p>
<p>Once, you realize, that your making money no matter if the price<br />
 . . . goes up or down, you stop worrying and sleep nights, and<br />
 . . . if your company has a tripple-A rating,<br />
 . . . you have a money making machine.</p>
<p>Recessions, scare off other investors,<br />
 . . . but that&#8217;s when your reinvested money machine is automatically,<br />
 . . . buying more shares, that will pay growing dividends, that<br />
 . . . compound year after year.</p>
<p>1) Dividend 3.4%<br />
2) Dividend payout $ grows each year<br />
3) Recession drives price down, allowing Dividend $ to buy<br />
 . . . more shares for the same amount of money.<br />
4) Re-invested shares &#8220;Compound&#8221; total stock $ value.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused why people in the comments who prefer dividends to capital gains end up re-investing their dividends in the same stock or fund anyways?

Under your theory, the stock is a baseball card teetering on the edge of worthlessness the second a company performs poorly. Why do you want to own more of it? Why not take the cash and invest elsewhere? I guess maybe because owning more shares increases future dividends...but what else am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused why people in the comments who prefer dividends to capital gains end up re-investing their dividends in the same stock or fund anyways?</p>
<p>Under your theory, the stock is a baseball card teetering on the edge of worthlessness the second a company performs poorly. Why do you want to own more of it? Why not take the cash and invest elsewhere? I guess maybe because owning more shares increases future dividends&#8230;but what else am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like to read . . . you will really enjoy these letters

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like to read . . . you will really enjoy these letters</p>
<p><a href="http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response! A couple of people I know have had their stocks called back, but I think they were in preferred shares. Both lost a little on the price of the stock, but were pretty happy with the dividends they had been receiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response! A couple of people I know have had their stocks called back, but I think they were in preferred shares. Both lost a little on the price of the stock, but were pretty happy with the dividends they had been receiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt at Healthy N' Wealthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt at Healthy N' Wealthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Graham talks about dividends a lot in Security Analysis. His basic point is that companies should pay dividends because historically, companies that &quot;plow money back into the company&quot; end up losing value at some point, and the shareholders would have been better off had they been given a dividend instead. I wish I had the book in front of me, I&#039;d quote it.

Graham also makes the point, in several of his books and writings, that dividends are the end game. They are the whole point of owning a stock. Without at least the prospect of dividends, a stock is worthless: it&#039;s just a piece of paper (like a baseball card), barring takeovers, etc. If all that was possible was capital gains then it would just be a game of finding a greater fool. The whole point of a business is to make money for its owners. Dividends are how shareholders get paid. Like others have pointed out, you don&#039;t necessarily want a dividend right now if that money could build more value for the company, but it is the ultimate goal.

The whole argument of whether companies should &quot;plow money back in,&quot; in a general sense, is nonsensical because it all depends on the individual company. I will say, though, that I believe Graham was right: too many companies withhold dividends and end up losing money for the shareholders.

I like dividends because they can be reinvested, and can compound the growth of your equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Graham talks about dividends a lot in Security Analysis. His basic point is that companies should pay dividends because historically, companies that &#8220;plow money back into the company&#8221; end up losing value at some point, and the shareholders would have been better off had they been given a dividend instead. I wish I had the book in front of me, I&#8217;d quote it.</p>
<p>Graham also makes the point, in several of his books and writings, that dividends are the end game. They are the whole point of owning a stock. Without at least the prospect of dividends, a stock is worthless: it&#8217;s just a piece of paper (like a baseball card), barring takeovers, etc. If all that was possible was capital gains then it would just be a game of finding a greater fool. The whole point of a business is to make money for its owners. Dividends are how shareholders get paid. Like others have pointed out, you don&#8217;t necessarily want a dividend right now if that money could build more value for the company, but it is the ultimate goal.</p>
<p>The whole argument of whether companies should &#8220;plow money back in,&#8221; in a general sense, is nonsensical because it all depends on the individual company. I will say, though, that I believe Graham was right: too many companies withhold dividends and end up losing money for the shareholders.</p>
<p>I like dividends because they can be reinvested, and can compound the growth of your equity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Cannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, this is not my column. It was written by a reader, as identified in the first paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, this is not my column. It was written by a reader, as identified in the first paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a JNJ DRIP, and Computershare does charge a purchase fee for it ($1 per purchase).  Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a JNJ DRIP, and Computershare does charge a purchase fee for it ($1 per purchase).  Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about paying attention to how dividends and capital gains are taxed.  But that only matters if you&#039;re investing in a regular, taxable account.  If, like Steven (and like most of us, I think), you&#039;re investing in an IRA or other retirement account, the way dividends and capital gains are taxed doesn&#039;t matter to you at all, at least in terms of the taxes that you pay, because withdrawals from a traditional IRA are taxed as ordinary income, and withdrawals from a Roth account aren&#039;t taxed at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about paying attention to how dividends and capital gains are taxed.  But that only matters if you&#8217;re investing in a regular, taxable account.  If, like Steven (and like most of us, I think), you&#8217;re investing in an IRA or other retirement account, the way dividends and capital gains are taxed doesn&#8217;t matter to you at all, at least in terms of the taxes that you pay, because withdrawals from a traditional IRA are taxed as ordinary income, and withdrawals from a Roth account aren&#8217;t taxed at all.</p>
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		<title>By: William @ Drop Dead Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>William @ Drop Dead Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Cuban&#039;s depiction of stocks as capricious is wrong, at least according to Warren Buffett. Given a choice, I&#039;d accept Mr. Buffett&#039;s version. Mr. Cuban may have more money than I do, but Mr. Buffett has more than Cuban. And Mr. Buffett made his money on nothing but stocks, and he&#039;s been sharing his wisdom freely for more than 20 years. So I&#039;d much rather listen to him.

Some companies pay dividends, others not. The theory is that if the management of a company can earn more than I can, then they should reinvest the money. If they think I can get more on the money than they can, then they should pay it out as dividends. 

When you&#039;re young and you want to grow your money outside of an IRA or 401(k), then having a no-dividend stock makes sense, because you don&#039;t pay any tax until you sell the stock. And if you pick a good company like Berkshire (Buffett&#039;s company) then you&#039;ll never need to sell until you need the money.

On the other hand, if you&#039;re retired and you need to buy food and gas, well, then there&#039;s nothing wrong with a dividend. 

As for the recession, and the risk of a missed dividend, there is a class of stocks called dividend aristocrats. Look them up; those companies have never skipped a dividend, and have grown it every year for 25 years or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Cuban&#8217;s depiction of stocks as capricious is wrong, at least according to Warren Buffett. Given a choice, I&#8217;d accept Mr. Buffett&#8217;s version. Mr. Cuban may have more money than I do, but Mr. Buffett has more than Cuban. And Mr. Buffett made his money on nothing but stocks, and he&#8217;s been sharing his wisdom freely for more than 20 years. So I&#8217;d much rather listen to him.</p>
<p>Some companies pay dividends, others not. The theory is that if the management of a company can earn more than I can, then they should reinvest the money. If they think I can get more on the money than they can, then they should pay it out as dividends. </p>
<p>When you&#8217;re young and you want to grow your money outside of an IRA or 401(k), then having a no-dividend stock makes sense, because you don&#8217;t pay any tax until you sell the stock. And if you pick a good company like Berkshire (Buffett&#8217;s company) then you&#8217;ll never need to sell until you need the money.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you&#8217;re retired and you need to buy food and gas, well, then there&#8217;s nothing wrong with a dividend. </p>
<p>As for the recession, and the risk of a missed dividend, there is a class of stocks called dividend aristocrats. Look them up; those companies have never skipped a dividend, and have grown it every year for 25 years or more.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dividend stock are worth 1/3 more than non-dividend stocks over time.Reits are divbidend stocks required to pay dividend,So the company does not have to pay taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dividend stock are worth 1/3 more than non-dividend stocks over time.Reits are divbidend stocks required to pay dividend,So the company does not have to pay taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other problem, one that I&#039;m sure Mark Cuban ignored, was that when the recession hit, a lot of companies got rid of their dividend or drastically reduced it. GE&#039;s has yet to recover to its pre-2008 dividend, as did Citigroup&#039;s. I&#039;m pretty sure I didn&#039;t buy the only two stocks in that situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other problem, one that I&#8217;m sure Mark Cuban ignored, was that when the recession hit, a lot of companies got rid of their dividend or drastically reduced it. GE&#8217;s has yet to recover to its pre-2008 dividend, as did Citigroup&#8217;s. I&#8217;m pretty sure I didn&#8217;t buy the only two stocks in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: adriano</title>
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		<dc:creator>adriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely. Cash is one asset that a company has. Dividend is paid by the company in cash. By paying dividend the company has less cash. How can this not be clear?

I&#039;m not a gambler. It is wise to buy stock when the market sets too low a price. It is not wise to believe the markets pricing to reflect accurately the worth of a company. Steady and existing sales may be boring but just as cash are one of the real assets a company can have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. Cash is one asset that a company has. Dividend is paid by the company in cash. By paying dividend the company has less cash. How can this not be clear?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a gambler. It is wise to buy stock when the market sets too low a price. It is not wise to believe the markets pricing to reflect accurately the worth of a company. Steady and existing sales may be boring but just as cash are one of the real assets a company can have.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep saying &quot;mechanically the company is worth less&quot; as if it&#039;s fact.  But the worth of a company is determined by the market, and while the stock price is adjusted immediately to reflect the dividend, Xenocles is correct that the effect is transient.  And while you can dismiss Apple (or any one stock) as having other reasons for the stock price changing, there is plenty of academic and historical evidence that payment of dividends do not cause long term declines in stock price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep saying &#8220;mechanically the company is worth less&#8221; as if it&#8217;s fact.  But the worth of a company is determined by the market, and while the stock price is adjusted immediately to reflect the dividend, Xenocles is correct that the effect is transient.  And while you can dismiss Apple (or any one stock) as having other reasons for the stock price changing, there is plenty of academic and historical evidence that payment of dividends do not cause long term declines in stock price.</p>
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		<title>By: snap crackle pop</title>
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		<dc:creator>snap crackle pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should wake up. There is something called risk-reward.

&quot;High yield means high risk.&quot;

You can get very high yield dividends, if that&#039;s what you want, by investing in junk bonds and very risky companies. Good luck if you go that route.

Personally, I like dividends. But I also don&#039;t want to take high risks. So I don&#039;t go for the highest dividends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should wake up. There is something called risk-reward.</p>
<p>&#8220;High yield means high risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can get very high yield dividends, if that&#8217;s what you want, by investing in junk bonds and very risky companies. Good luck if you go that route.</p>
<p>Personally, I like dividends. But I also don&#8217;t want to take high risks. So I don&#8217;t go for the highest dividends.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in dividend growth or just dividend investing.  I hope at one point to be earning enough dividends to cover all of my living expenses, then I  can choose what to do with my time.

I especially find it gratifying when I see people  in Wal-Mart (stock I own) buying products in stock I own (Pepsi, Coke, Tylenol) and even using banks or credit cards I own stock in to pay for their purchases (Visa, Wells Fargo).  It&#039;s like the circle of life.

The key is having a plan, if the dividend gets cut or stays the same for a number of quarters, the fundamentals of the company change, then sell and redeploy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in dividend growth or just dividend investing.  I hope at one point to be earning enough dividends to cover all of my living expenses, then I  can choose what to do with my time.</p>
<p>I especially find it gratifying when I see people  in Wal-Mart (stock I own) buying products in stock I own (Pepsi, Coke, Tylenol) and even using banks or credit cards I own stock in to pay for their purchases (Visa, Wells Fargo).  It&#8217;s like the circle of life.</p>
<p>The key is having a plan, if the dividend gets cut or stays the same for a number of quarters, the fundamentals of the company change, then sell and redeploy.</p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t the market&#039;s opinion-- it is mechanical.  The company is worth less when it gives away money because it has less money.  Right before it gives a dividend it is worth more than right after.  (Things cause stock prices to change besides dividends.)

Like Steve S says below, the types of companies that drop dividends tend to be different than the ones that reinvest.  Good sources of dividends tend to be utilities and blue-chips.  Growth companies tend to choose to keep reinvesting their stock (much like Apple did until recently).  All things equal, you&#039;re slightly better off with a company that doesn&#039;t drip than one that does because of taxes.  Generally things aren&#039;t equal, and you&#039;re better off with growth stocks for the long-term and blue-chips over shorter terms (or a nice mix suited to your own risk levels), dividends being an unfortunate (because of taxes) side-effect of the safer stocks.

Looking at Apple as a single case is uninformative because there are many things going on that affect the stock price of a firm, and publicity around Apple&#039;s unprecedented dividend played into that (also, you know, Apple products doing well).  Most dividend stocks quietly give their dividends without fanfare because they&#039;ve been doing it on a regular basis for quite a while.  And right after they drop a dividend they&#039;re worth less than right before.  Because mechanically the company is worth less.  Just like your net worth drops right after you give money away, but goes up after you get paid or the value of your house increases or what have you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the market&#8217;s opinion&#8211; it is mechanical.  The company is worth less when it gives away money because it has less money.  Right before it gives a dividend it is worth more than right after.  (Things cause stock prices to change besides dividends.)</p>
<p>Like Steve S says below, the types of companies that drop dividends tend to be different than the ones that reinvest.  Good sources of dividends tend to be utilities and blue-chips.  Growth companies tend to choose to keep reinvesting their stock (much like Apple did until recently).  All things equal, you&#8217;re slightly better off with a company that doesn&#8217;t drip than one that does because of taxes.  Generally things aren&#8217;t equal, and you&#8217;re better off with growth stocks for the long-term and blue-chips over shorter terms (or a nice mix suited to your own risk levels), dividends being an unfortunate (because of taxes) side-effect of the safer stocks.</p>
<p>Looking at Apple as a single case is uninformative because there are many things going on that affect the stock price of a firm, and publicity around Apple&#8217;s unprecedented dividend played into that (also, you know, Apple products doing well).  Most dividend stocks quietly give their dividends without fanfare because they&#8217;ve been doing it on a regular basis for quite a while.  And right after they drop a dividend they&#8217;re worth less than right before.  Because mechanically the company is worth less.  Just like your net worth drops right after you give money away, but goes up after you get paid or the value of your house increases or what have you.</p>
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		<title>By: My Financial Independence Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Financial Independence Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big proponent of dividend growth investing, although I prefer to pursue my investment strategy through purchasing individual stocks rather than mutual funds.  That way I can avoid the fees all together.

However, I would give you a word of caution.  Dividend investing, just like any other subset of investing, requires some degree of effort.  You need to lay out a basic plan and stick to it over the long run to be successful.

If you aren&#039;t willing or able to put in the needed effort, stick to major market index funds with low fees.

But if you are willing to expend the effort to educate yourself about investing, it can be a very rewarding (mentally and financially) activity.

If you start bouncing all over the place chasing high yields, you&#039;ll get burned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big proponent of dividend growth investing, although I prefer to pursue my investment strategy through purchasing individual stocks rather than mutual funds.  That way I can avoid the fees all together.</p>
<p>However, I would give you a word of caution.  Dividend investing, just like any other subset of investing, requires some degree of effort.  You need to lay out a basic plan and stick to it over the long run to be successful.</p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t willing or able to put in the needed effort, stick to major market index funds with low fees.</p>
<p>But if you are willing to expend the effort to educate yourself about investing, it can be a very rewarding (mentally and financially) activity.</p>
<p>If you start bouncing all over the place chasing high yields, you&#8217;ll get burned.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The baseball card analogy breaks down on several levels, but for me the most convincing is the &quot;bigger problem&quot; argument: unlike baseball cards, if your investment in total-market indexes becomes valueless(or even lose huge amounts of value over the course of decades) the odds are you have significantly greater problems to worry about then personal investment strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The baseball card analogy breaks down on several levels, but for me the most convincing is the &#8220;bigger problem&#8221; argument: unlike baseball cards, if your investment in total-market indexes becomes valueless(or even lose huge amounts of value over the course of decades) the odds are you have significantly greater problems to worry about then personal investment strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That change in price is a transient; the market&#039;s opinion will take over again very shortly after. Negative transients are unimportant in long-term investment.

Look at Apple. They issued a dividend in November. Price dipped for a few days, then came back up to above the ex-dividend price. They issued one in August, too - and with that one the dip (if any) barely even paused the climb in price. As far as I can tell from this example, the ex-dividend price hit is noise and should only be relevant to higher-turnover traders. Exxon&#039;s dividends in 2012 tell the same story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That change in price is a transient; the market&#8217;s opinion will take over again very shortly after. Negative transients are unimportant in long-term investment.</p>
<p>Look at Apple. They issued a dividend in November. Price dipped for a few days, then came back up to above the ex-dividend price. They issued one in August, too &#8211; and with that one the dip (if any) barely even paused the climb in price. As far as I can tell from this example, the ex-dividend price hit is noise and should only be relevant to higher-turnover traders. Exxon&#8217;s dividends in 2012 tell the same story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Savers @ The Money Puzzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Savers @ The Money Puzzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not know Mark Cuban blogged.  I will add his opinion to the many that I use to form my own.  

I invest in an automatic DRIP (dividend reinvestment program) and the automatic reinvestment of the dividend income  to new shares will help my very small portfolio grow.  I purchased my first shares in 2012.  

I need to increase the number of companies I hold shares in to about 12 from the current 3.  I will concentrate on Canadian banks and resource companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know Mark Cuban blogged.  I will add his opinion to the many that I use to form my own.  </p>
<p>I invest in an automatic DRIP (dividend reinvestment program) and the automatic reinvestment of the dividend income  to new shares will help my very small portfolio grow.  I purchased my first shares in 2012.  </p>
<p>I need to increase the number of companies I hold shares in to about 12 from the current 3.  I will concentrate on Canadian banks and resource companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much bad info in this post/comments that it speaks very badly for the website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much bad info in this post/comments that it speaks very badly for the website.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I couldn’t bank on stocks appreciating in value – like magic – at 5 or 6 percent a year...&quot;

It isn&#039;t really magic. This is missing the whole point of why a company issues stock in the first place. They need your cash to expand operations and grow the strength/profitability of the business. The increase in stock price comes when they realize the gains from the machines or personnel they acquired with your money (by producing more, increasing market share, releasing a new product, etc.)

A company that pays dividends is basically saying &quot;we don&#039;t have any way to profitably invest this cash to expand our business, so we&#039;ll just give it back to you&quot;. This is why large, stable companies like Coca Cola and Proctor &amp; Gamble pay good dividends. They have so much extra revenue from their sales and not enough profitable ways to spend it.

So in reality, you could look at a dividend paying stock as a laggard in the market, resting on its laurels and counting on continued, uninterrupted market dominance. That obviously doesn&#039;t apply to all, and doesn&#039;t make them bad investments, but it&#039;s worth thinking about whether a non-dividend paying stock is really just a &quot;baseball card&quot; growing in price by &quot;magic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I couldn’t bank on stocks appreciating in value – like magic – at 5 or 6 percent a year&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t really magic. This is missing the whole point of why a company issues stock in the first place. They need your cash to expand operations and grow the strength/profitability of the business. The increase in stock price comes when they realize the gains from the machines or personnel they acquired with your money (by producing more, increasing market share, releasing a new product, etc.)</p>
<p>A company that pays dividends is basically saying &#8220;we don&#8217;t have any way to profitably invest this cash to expand our business, so we&#8217;ll just give it back to you&#8221;. This is why large, stable companies like Coca Cola and Proctor &amp; Gamble pay good dividends. They have so much extra revenue from their sales and not enough profitable ways to spend it.</p>
<p>So in reality, you could look at a dividend paying stock as a laggard in the market, resting on its laurels and counting on continued, uninterrupted market dominance. That obviously doesn&#8217;t apply to all, and doesn&#8217;t make them bad investments, but it&#8217;s worth thinking about whether a non-dividend paying stock is really just a &#8220;baseball card&#8221; growing in price by &#8220;magic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www3.valueline.com/dow30/f4979.pdf
You&#039;ll never &quot;get rich fast,&quot; but you will &quot;get rich slowly.&quot;
http://www.investor.jnj.com/divhistory.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www3.valueline.com/dow30/f4979.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www3.valueline.com/dow30/f4979.pdf</a><br />
You&#8217;ll never &#8220;get rich fast,&#8221; but you will &#8220;get rich slowly.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.investor.jnj.com/divhistory.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.investor.jnj.com/divhistory.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stock&#039;s price does change (drop), all things equal, when you get a dividend.  It&#039;s worth less once the dividend has been spent out because the company no longer owns the money that has been paid out.  Just like your net worth drops when you give away money to charity or decide to pay for a lawn service.

If you take the dividend money and DRIP it, then you have the same value of stock (minus taxes, and if it isn&#039;t a direct drip, fees), but each share is worth less.  You just have more shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stock&#8217;s price does change (drop), all things equal, when you get a dividend.  It&#8217;s worth less once the dividend has been spent out because the company no longer owns the money that has been paid out.  Just like your net worth drops when you give away money to charity or decide to pay for a lawn service.</p>
<p>If you take the dividend money and DRIP it, then you have the same value of stock (minus taxes, and if it isn&#8217;t a direct drip, fees), but each share is worth less.  You just have more shares.</p>
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		<title>By: Noxius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noxius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnson &amp; Johnson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson &amp; Johnson?</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly recommend the AAII for investment education.  There&#039;s a 30 day free trial, membership is $29/yr, and the newsletter is free.  It&#039;s been well worth it for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly recommend the AAII for investment education.  There&#8217;s a 30 day free trial, membership is $29/yr, and the newsletter is free.  It&#8217;s been well worth it for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Retirement Investing Today</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retirement Investing Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that dividends matter.  £100 invested in UK Equities in 1900 would have only been worth a real (after inflation) £162 in 2003 without dividends reinvested.  Reinvest those dividends and that £162 becomes £22,438.

My investing style values dividends.  Today I&#039;m getting 5.5% from a self created UK based High Yield Portfolio (HYP).  Additionally, I am getting close (just have to subtract fund expenses) to 4.6% from an ASX200 Equity Tracker and 3.5% from a FTSE100 All Share Tracker.  

In contrast I also hold some US Equities and it galls me to see a dividend yield of 2.1%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that dividends matter.  £100 invested in UK Equities in 1900 would have only been worth a real (after inflation) £162 in 2003 without dividends reinvested.  Reinvest those dividends and that £162 becomes £22,438.</p>
<p>My investing style values dividends.  Today I&#8217;m getting 5.5% from a self created UK based High Yield Portfolio (HYP).  Additionally, I am getting close (just have to subtract fund expenses) to 4.6% from an ASX200 Equity Tracker and 3.5% from a FTSE100 All Share Tracker.  </p>
<p>In contrast I also hold some US Equities and it galls me to see a dividend yield of 2.1%.</p>
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