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	<title>Comments on: The time I was sent to collections over $4</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2013/02/13/the-time-i-was-sent-to-collections-over-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3297877</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that mess happened to you. I probably would&#039;ve done the same thing though. All over $4! They took advantage of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that mess happened to you. I probably would&#8217;ve done the same thing though. All over $4! They took advantage of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that is crazy! I would&#039;ve gone mad! But it really is like the nursery rhyme about the horse nail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that is crazy! I would&#8217;ve gone mad! But it really is like the nursery rhyme about the horse nail.</p>
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		<title>By: BillGuard Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillGuard Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a stunning story. It&#039;s a shame that a measly $4 created all that trouble. And I&#039;m even more stunned by the commenters, like John (above), who have similar stories: a small charge sent them over-the-edge and caused them to lose hours of their life getting wrapped up in fixing the problem.

I liked the &quot;want of a horseshoe nail&quot; poem that started your article, because that summarizes it perfectly ... small things can add up into extremely large consequences, especially when your wallet is involved. I&#039;ll remember this story anytime someone says, &quot;but it&#039;s ONLY $4!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a stunning story. It&#8217;s a shame that a measly $4 created all that trouble. And I&#8217;m even more stunned by the commenters, like John (above), who have similar stories: a small charge sent them over-the-edge and caused them to lose hours of their life getting wrapped up in fixing the problem.</p>
<p>I liked the &#8220;want of a horseshoe nail&#8221; poem that started your article, because that summarizes it perfectly &#8230; small things can add up into extremely large consequences, especially when your wallet is involved. I&#8217;ll remember this story anytime someone says, &#8220;but it&#8217;s ONLY $4!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once was paid off a car loan after being charged for bank deposit slips and envelopes that are ordinarily provided at no charge by my bank. Here is the story:

My cell phone wasn&#039;t working properly at the time, I did not have a document scanner and I needed to deposit a check into my bank account which is not local to where I live. I contacted my bank and requested deposit slips and envelopes be sent to my home address. Some time had past and the deposit slips and envelopes had not arrived as anticipated. 

So, in the middle of one night I emailed a status question to my bank and within a few minutes a poorly worded reply arrived in my inbox stating an apology and confirming that deposit envelopes and slips were on the way.
A few days later, I checked my bank account and noticed a small nominal charge had been deducted for deposit slips and envelopes. I must disclose that this was one in a series of timely events that annoyed me about my bank at the time. 

Quickly I checked my savings account, did a few worst case scenario calculations and decided to pay off my car loan which I had started about six months prior to this decision. In one impulse driven action, I decided &quot;Oh you are going to charge me for free slips and envelopes are you? Well then, no interest for you!&quot; Thus, I paid off a car loan that had barely just begun over a nominal fee for free deposit slips and envelopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once was paid off a car loan after being charged for bank deposit slips and envelopes that are ordinarily provided at no charge by my bank. Here is the story:</p>
<p>My cell phone wasn&#8217;t working properly at the time, I did not have a document scanner and I needed to deposit a check into my bank account which is not local to where I live. I contacted my bank and requested deposit slips and envelopes be sent to my home address. Some time had past and the deposit slips and envelopes had not arrived as anticipated. </p>
<p>So, in the middle of one night I emailed a status question to my bank and within a few minutes a poorly worded reply arrived in my inbox stating an apology and confirming that deposit envelopes and slips were on the way.<br />
A few days later, I checked my bank account and noticed a small nominal charge had been deducted for deposit slips and envelopes. I must disclose that this was one in a series of timely events that annoyed me about my bank at the time. </p>
<p>Quickly I checked my savings account, did a few worst case scenario calculations and decided to pay off my car loan which I had started about six months prior to this decision. In one impulse driven action, I decided &#8220;Oh you are going to charge me for free slips and envelopes are you? Well then, no interest for you!&#8221; Thus, I paid off a car loan that had barely just begun over a nominal fee for free deposit slips and envelopes.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooo much better than my story, I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooo much better than my story, I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Starving Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starving Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost wasn&#039;t given my Ph.D. over $0.07. I was informed there was a balance left due in my account just prior to graduation. I was living in another city at the time, and any method I would have used to pay (e.g., cheque, email money transfer, mailing pennies) would have cost more than the money due to the school. A friend offered to pay the balance for me - you can imagine the clerk&#039;s surprise when my friend asked to pay off another student&#039;s tuition, then dropped seven pennies on the desk :-) The receipt is proudly taped to the back of my framed degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost wasn&#8217;t given my Ph.D. over $0.07. I was informed there was a balance left due in my account just prior to graduation. I was living in another city at the time, and any method I would have used to pay (e.g., cheque, email money transfer, mailing pennies) would have cost more than the money due to the school. A friend offered to pay the balance for me &#8211; you can imagine the clerk&#8217;s surprise when my friend asked to pay off another student&#8217;s tuition, then dropped seven pennies on the desk <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  The receipt is proudly taped to the back of my framed degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, good for you for holding out on that deductible payment -- I&#039;m glad they ended up paying for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, good for you for holding out on that deductible payment &#8212; I&#8217;m glad they ended up paying for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick @ ayoungpro.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick @ ayoungpro.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You told this story in a very interesting way. While I would have just paid the $50 and fixed the door on my dime (because I don&#039;t like hassle) I applaud you sticking to your guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You told this story in a very interesting way. While I would have just paid the $50 and fixed the door on my dime (because I don&#8217;t like hassle) I applaud you sticking to your guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Peach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been in both situations, both as the pissed off consumer and the company customer service rep. I don&#039;t know if I would have refused to pay the deductible. I think I would have made sure the glass company management AND my insurance company knew about what happened and then just followed up with them until it was fixed. The glass company tech made the mistake and the insurance company referred you. To me that&#039;s clear liability. I know you said the glass company relented once they realized you weren&#039;t going to pay the deductible. I have a feeling it had more to do with the fact you were insistent on them taking responsibility for their mistake and leaving your car in that condition. No one wants bad publicity, or complaints to the very same insurance company that provides referrals. Get enough complaints and you&#039;re out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in both situations, both as the pissed off consumer and the company customer service rep. I don&#8217;t know if I would have refused to pay the deductible. I think I would have made sure the glass company management AND my insurance company knew about what happened and then just followed up with them until it was fixed. The glass company tech made the mistake and the insurance company referred you. To me that&#8217;s clear liability. I know you said the glass company relented once they realized you weren&#8217;t going to pay the deductible. I have a feeling it had more to do with the fact you were insistent on them taking responsibility for their mistake and leaving your car in that condition. No one wants bad publicity, or complaints to the very same insurance company that provides referrals. Get enough complaints and you&#8217;re out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this post. To answer the question-- I cannot think of a time when a small amount has morphed into something substantial, BUT...

I work in administration at a university, and the business office will not charge late fees on outstanding student fees that are less than $10. However, I have seen students neglect to pay a remaining $15 of tuition, get dinged $50 for not paying tuition on time and an additional $12.50 for missing a payment (these are late fees by two different offices) and then get assessed additional $12.50 fees every month for sometimes several months. OUCH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this post. To answer the question&#8211; I cannot think of a time when a small amount has morphed into something substantial, BUT&#8230;</p>
<p>I work in administration at a university, and the business office will not charge late fees on outstanding student fees that are less than $10. However, I have seen students neglect to pay a remaining $15 of tuition, get dinged $50 for not paying tuition on time and an additional $12.50 for missing a payment (these are late fees by two different offices) and then get assessed additional $12.50 fees every month for sometimes several months. OUCH!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryallen @ The Frugal Graduate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryallen @ The Frugal Graduate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too right! I would stand up for my rights like you!

Sounds like having a car was a lot more trouble than it was worth in that area though! I&#039;ve just sold my car for a similar reason since I&#039;ve moved to a city now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too right! I would stand up for my rights like you!</p>
<p>Sounds like having a car was a lot more trouble than it was worth in that area though! I&#8217;ve just sold my car for a similar reason since I&#8217;ve moved to a city now!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was a great post, as it made me examine the price at which it&#039;s worth it just to pay a bill and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was a great post, as it made me examine the price at which it&#8217;s worth it just to pay a bill and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly@Financial-Lessons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly@Financial-Lessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you for standing your ground on that one. The smallest financial issue that mushroomed into unnecessary territory was when I payed a &quot;Toll-by-plate&quot; cost and the Florida place lost my payment! It was originally around $3 I think, but late fees on top of late fees turned it into almost $30 which I refused to pay. Annoying dealing with those kinds of situations to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you for standing your ground on that one. The smallest financial issue that mushroomed into unnecessary territory was when I payed a &#8220;Toll-by-plate&#8221; cost and the Florida place lost my payment! It was originally around $3 I think, but late fees on top of late fees turned it into almost $30 which I refused to pay. Annoying dealing with those kinds of situations to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: PawPrint53</title>
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		<dc:creator>PawPrint53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend didn&#039;t pay a traffic ticket ($50, as I recall) when he lived in North Carolina in his early 20s. He moved to Oregon and obtained a driver&#039;s license with no problem, and he renewed the license a few times. Then at his next renewal date, when he was in his mid-30s, he got a letter from the Oregon DMV saying they wouldn&#039;t renew his driver&#039;s license until he paid the North Carolina ticket he&#039;d received over a decade before. He paid the $50 (I don&#039;t think they added interest or penalties, but I could be wrong) to North Carolina and his Oregon license was renewed. I couldn&#039;t believe how long it took to &quot;catch&quot; him, but they finally did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend didn&#8217;t pay a traffic ticket ($50, as I recall) when he lived in North Carolina in his early 20s. He moved to Oregon and obtained a driver&#8217;s license with no problem, and he renewed the license a few times. Then at his next renewal date, when he was in his mid-30s, he got a letter from the Oregon DMV saying they wouldn&#8217;t renew his driver&#8217;s license until he paid the North Carolina ticket he&#8217;d received over a decade before. He paid the $50 (I don&#8217;t think they added interest or penalties, but I could be wrong) to North Carolina and his Oregon license was renewed. I couldn&#8217;t believe how long it took to &#8220;catch&#8221; him, but they finally did.</p>
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		<title>By: Lacy @EarnVerse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lacy @EarnVerse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree that all of the time and the stress is not worth it.  Stress not only creates aggravation at the time, but it also has negative health consequences including shortening of life!  Not worth $4!

Stress aside, you also have to think about what your time is worth.  If you can make more money elsewhere, then spending hours dealing with this mistake comes at a huge opportunity cost as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that all of the time and the stress is not worth it.  Stress not only creates aggravation at the time, but it also has negative health consequences including shortening of life!  Not worth $4!</p>
<p>Stress aside, you also have to think about what your time is worth.  If you can make more money elsewhere, then spending hours dealing with this mistake comes at a huge opportunity cost as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laura, this office won&#039;t accept payment at the POS, which is part of the reason I feel like getting rebilled is not an accident on their part...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura, this office won&#8217;t accept payment at the POS, which is part of the reason I feel like getting rebilled is not an accident on their part&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ImJuniperNow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImJuniperNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too early for April Fools, so I&#039;m assuming this piece is not fiction.

I would have paid the deductible and gotten on with my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too early for April Fools, so I&#8217;m assuming this piece is not fiction.</p>
<p>I would have paid the deductible and gotten on with my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My doctor&#039;s office also has lousy accounting; as a result, when I pay the deductible at the point of service, I always demand and get a written receipt.  Since I started doing that, the bills for deductibles I already paid have stopped.

I will also sometimes write a check and put a notation at the bottom what it is for.  Then if a company sends me a bill, I send them a photocopy of the front and back of the check and it clearly states what it&#039;s for.  That saved me something like $700 (I forget the exact amount, it was a for a full tank) with our oil company who tried a double-bill when they lost the first payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My doctor&#8217;s office also has lousy accounting; as a result, when I pay the deductible at the point of service, I always demand and get a written receipt.  Since I started doing that, the bills for deductibles I already paid have stopped.</p>
<p>I will also sometimes write a check and put a notation at the bottom what it is for.  Then if a company sends me a bill, I send them a photocopy of the front and back of the check and it clearly states what it&#8217;s for.  That saved me something like $700 (I forget the exact amount, it was a for a full tank) with our oil company who tried a double-bill when they lost the first payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder if threatening to withhold money was the best strategy either.  I would have been threatening to report the glass repair company to the insurance company who recommended them (no one likes to lose referrals), AAA or the Better Business Bureau. For many businesses, losing referrals or damaging their reputation is more costly than losing cash. 

From the repair company&#039;s point of view, the problem could have been  dealt with much more easily if Honey had taken the car back a lot sooner. I&#039;m not putting the blame on Honey, but I&#039;ve been a customer service rep in situations where a small problem could easily have been fixed if it had been dealt with before it become a big problem. As consumers, we have responsibilities too.

Of course, I&#039;ve also missed &quot;the nail&quot;  a few times myself, so I sympathize!  Hindsight is 20/20, so they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder if threatening to withhold money was the best strategy either.  I would have been threatening to report the glass repair company to the insurance company who recommended them (no one likes to lose referrals), AAA or the Better Business Bureau. For many businesses, losing referrals or damaging their reputation is more costly than losing cash. </p>
<p>From the repair company&#8217;s point of view, the problem could have been  dealt with much more easily if Honey had taken the car back a lot sooner. I&#8217;m not putting the blame on Honey, but I&#8217;ve been a customer service rep in situations where a small problem could easily have been fixed if it had been dealt with before it become a big problem. As consumers, we have responsibilities too.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;ve also missed &#8220;the nail&#8221;  a few times myself, so I sympathize!  Hindsight is 20/20, so they say.</p>
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		<title>By: scondor</title>
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		<dc:creator>scondor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I request in writing an explanation in writing and let a company know that I refuse to pay anything unless I receive it. (Only managers can do this, supervisors and regular reps cannot, so you effectively bypass them, because they can&#039;t do anything outside the rules anyway.)  Usually I will get a call when I do this, and the situation is resolved. Only once was I not contacted and then sent to collections.  I refused to pay a cell phone bill because of bogus fees, which ballooned from what should have been $80 to over $400 in additional penalties in a few months. I immediately mailed a letter to the collections agency in response saying that if they had bought this debt they were getting ripped off worse than I was because I will NEVER pay because the company did not respond to a simple documented request for an explanation, which is a breach of contract.  That breach of contract is no more or less important than a non-payment breach of contract.
I called collections to follow up about a week later and they said they no longer were trying to collect the debt and I should work directly with the cell phone company.  When I called the cell phone company they removed the original bogus fees and all the subsequent penalties. Small victory, but satisfying!
Nothing ever appeared on my credit rating, but that may be due to its relatively small amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I request in writing an explanation in writing and let a company know that I refuse to pay anything unless I receive it. (Only managers can do this, supervisors and regular reps cannot, so you effectively bypass them, because they can&#8217;t do anything outside the rules anyway.)  Usually I will get a call when I do this, and the situation is resolved. Only once was I not contacted and then sent to collections.  I refused to pay a cell phone bill because of bogus fees, which ballooned from what should have been $80 to over $400 in additional penalties in a few months. I immediately mailed a letter to the collections agency in response saying that if they had bought this debt they were getting ripped off worse than I was because I will NEVER pay because the company did not respond to a simple documented request for an explanation, which is a breach of contract.  That breach of contract is no more or less important than a non-payment breach of contract.<br />
I called collections to follow up about a week later and they said they no longer were trying to collect the debt and I should work directly with the cell phone company.  When I called the cell phone company they removed the original bogus fees and all the subsequent penalties. Small victory, but satisfying!<br />
Nothing ever appeared on my credit rating, but that may be due to its relatively small amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simple Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this goes back to the old debate of paying on principle. I think she is trying to determine if it is worth the time and effort to fight or settle.

It looks like in the case she felt it was worth her time to fight it. I guess it would be interesting to get feedback from people who have been in similar situation and observe in retrospect if the time spent haggling is worth it in the end.

Example, if someone know it would take 3 months and 15 hours on the phone to remove a incorrect charge on an account for $5, would it still be worth it on principle? I tend to err on the side of paying and then trying to not to do business with that company or individual again due to the time constraints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this goes back to the old debate of paying on principle. I think she is trying to determine if it is worth the time and effort to fight or settle.</p>
<p>It looks like in the case she felt it was worth her time to fight it. I guess it would be interesting to get feedback from people who have been in similar situation and observe in retrospect if the time spent haggling is worth it in the end.</p>
<p>Example, if someone know it would take 3 months and 15 hours on the phone to remove a incorrect charge on an account for $5, would it still be worth it on principle? I tend to err on the side of paying and then trying to not to do business with that company or individual again due to the time constraints.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t you get the insurance company involved?  They paid more for the original repair (when the damage happened) than you did, and they have more power to get the glass company to fix the problem quickly.

They also have an incentive to keep you happy, or you&#039;ll be shopping for a different insurance company.  This would have been one of the first phone calls I would have made in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t you get the insurance company involved?  They paid more for the original repair (when the damage happened) than you did, and they have more power to get the glass company to fix the problem quickly.</p>
<p>They also have an incentive to keep you happy, or you&#8217;ll be shopping for a different insurance company.  This would have been one of the first phone calls I would have made in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with Honey&#039;s strategy.

I would have paid for the replacement early-on, documented everything, and followed-up with the insurance company to get reimbursed since the original repair was clearly done wrong.

It gets done way faster and doesn&#039;t waste my time.  The benefit of having a working car every day for several months is worth more to me than $4 or even $50.

The assumption that you wouldn&#039;t have had any recourse once you paid the $50 to me seems wrong.  I pay deductibles all the time, and after reviewing things, get paid back if I can document that I should not have had to pay anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with Honey&#8217;s strategy.</p>
<p>I would have paid for the replacement early-on, documented everything, and followed-up with the insurance company to get reimbursed since the original repair was clearly done wrong.</p>
<p>It gets done way faster and doesn&#8217;t waste my time.  The benefit of having a working car every day for several months is worth more to me than $4 or even $50.</p>
<p>The assumption that you wouldn&#8217;t have had any recourse once you paid the $50 to me seems wrong.  I pay deductibles all the time, and after reviewing things, get paid back if I can document that I should not have had to pay anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical bills are so frustrating!  I am switching to another ob/gyn because TWO YEARS in a row they have sent me the bill for the deductible after I paid it (they tried to send me to collections for that, too).  I was always able to eventually dispute the charge and have it removed, but that&#039;s only because I only go to that doctor once a year and remember paying the bill.  I can&#039;t imagine if I were pregnant and going to the doctor several times a month.  What a racket!  There must be women who go to that office who pay the same bill over and over without realizing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medical bills are so frustrating!  I am switching to another ob/gyn because TWO YEARS in a row they have sent me the bill for the deductible after I paid it (they tried to send me to collections for that, too).  I was always able to eventually dispute the charge and have it removed, but that&#8217;s only because I only go to that doctor once a year and remember paying the bill.  I can&#8217;t imagine if I were pregnant and going to the doctor several times a month.  What a racket!  There must be women who go to that office who pay the same bill over and over without realizing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emily, I request one credit report from each bureau every quarter, and I don&#039;t think it ever appeared (at least I don&#039;t remember this).  It&#039;s certainly not on the most recent version, and my credit score is 794, so it hasn&#039;t affected me.  But definitely good advice for what to do after an event like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emily, I request one credit report from each bureau every quarter, and I don&#8217;t think it ever appeared (at least I don&#8217;t remember this).  It&#8217;s certainly not on the most recent version, and my credit score is 794, so it hasn&#8217;t affected me.  But definitely good advice for what to do after an event like this!</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have had similar small amounts go to collections over our health insurance.    Although I do all the other bills in our household, my husband handles medical billing as it upsets me too much.   There have been several times where  I have just paid a bill that my husband says we don&#039;t owe just to make them go away.    

However, having done that, I find that sometimes we sometimes get a check out of the blue.    After our youngest was already 4 years old, we got a check for $238 from the hospital where he was born.   Apparently, the insurance company had finally paid up.  

That was unusual, both because it was a larger amount and for the delay in our reimbursement.   I would say the normal time lapse between us paying for a medical bill we know we don&#039;t owe and having our money returned to us is about 18 months.    We don&#039;t always get the money back, but sometimes decent credit and the assurance that our pediatrician will treat our child (because his office doesn&#039;t think we&#039;re deadbeats) is more important than the money or being right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have had similar small amounts go to collections over our health insurance.    Although I do all the other bills in our household, my husband handles medical billing as it upsets me too much.   There have been several times where  I have just paid a bill that my husband says we don&#8217;t owe just to make them go away.    </p>
<p>However, having done that, I find that sometimes we sometimes get a check out of the blue.    After our youngest was already 4 years old, we got a check for $238 from the hospital where he was born.   Apparently, the insurance company had finally paid up.  </p>
<p>That was unusual, both because it was a larger amount and for the delay in our reimbursement.   I would say the normal time lapse between us paying for a medical bill we know we don&#8217;t owe and having our money returned to us is about 18 months.    We don&#8217;t always get the money back, but sometimes decent credit and the assurance that our pediatrician will treat our child (because his office doesn&#8217;t think we&#8217;re deadbeats) is more important than the money or being right.</p>
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		<title>By: uwdanman</title>
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		<dc:creator>uwdanman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my wife was in college ~2006 she went to the  school&#039;s medical center for a check up for a cold she was battling.  The center and her academic adviser (small private university) told her that student medical care was provided through her tuition and student fees.  She was not charged a co-pay and even verified she didn&#039;t owe anything with the medical center after the appointment.  Several years later (2009) when we started looking through our annual credit reports as we were in the market for buying a house we noticed she had a $20 collections claim from that appointment.  She never received any bill, or billed a co-pay.  We had it resolved but that $20 fee dinged her credit score by 40 points when we did buy and cost us over half a point on the interest rate.  We&#039;ve since made sure to check our reports annually for any discrepancies :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my wife was in college ~2006 she went to the  school&#8217;s medical center for a check up for a cold she was battling.  The center and her academic adviser (small private university) told her that student medical care was provided through her tuition and student fees.  She was not charged a co-pay and even verified she didn&#8217;t owe anything with the medical center after the appointment.  Several years later (2009) when we started looking through our annual credit reports as we were in the market for buying a house we noticed she had a $20 collections claim from that appointment.  She never received any bill, or billed a co-pay.  We had it resolved but that $20 fee dinged her credit score by 40 points when we did buy and cost us over half a point on the interest rate.  We&#8217;ve since made sure to check our reports annually for any discrepancies <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: chubblywubbly</title>
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		<dc:creator>chubblywubbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure the time and stress is worth it. I know that as important as money is, free time and less stress is even more so. 

One question, I always ask myself after an unpleasant ordeal is that knowning what I know now would I have any regrets doing what I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure the time and stress is worth it. I know that as important as money is, free time and less stress is even more so. </p>
<p>One question, I always ask myself after an unpleasant ordeal is that knowning what I know now would I have any regrets doing what I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope you checked your credit report after this and had any notations about being sent to collections removed. If not, the effect on your credit could cost a lot more than $50 in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope you checked your credit report after this and had any notations about being sent to collections removed. If not, the effect on your credit could cost a lot more than $50 in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Prabhakar M N (Satan Infernous)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prabhakar M N (Satan Infernous)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.
Each &amp; every penny counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.<br />
Each &amp; every penny counts.</p>
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