First let me say I have nothing against you personally kaitlyn. Or anyone else on this thread. Understand too that I realize I’m a guy and tend to compartmentalize things - liking putting things in boxes. In discussions with my wife I realize for women everything flows together - like a pasta dish. Maybe that is how you process things. Maybe not. In any case please don’t see this as an attack on you personally it is just discussing the topics at hand. It is very interesting to get your perspective. I think I’m seeing a pattern develop.
kaitlyn142 wrote: 1. Legacy: According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, a non-partisan group, the US debt for the next 10 years can be entirely and utterly blamed on the Bush era tax cuts and wars in the Middle East.
Important to note that it is allegedly a "non-partisan group." I doubt it. So all the bailouts during the Obama administration are Bush's fault too? What about the other increases to the debt during the Obama administration? How can a non-partisan group make such claims? Sorry but that is a bit humorous. Love it.
One of the reasons I wanted to know if anyone else had or planned on having kids is because I find it slightly ironic/amusing that someone who believes evolution is fact is not passing on his or her genetic makeup. Not to mention people with no children have no direct stake in the future of the U.S. or the world (say 50+ years down the road). This debt will be the burden of my children and my children’s children (we hope to have more or even adopt). Maybe it's just me? So Obama isn’t responsible for his legacy. 2. Economy:
“The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.
You know, maybe I am showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but you know I am not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts.” – Obama Radio Interview October 2001
By the way, let’s talk about Obama’s quote “I am my brother’s keeper.” He borrowed this from the Bible and took it out of context.
8Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Lets go out to the field." While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. 9Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
10The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground[.]" – Gen. 4:8-10
The passage has nothing to do with actually helping your brother. The passage refers instead to being the prison guard of another in context. Cain was telling God in fact that Abel was not his responsibility. Fitting quotation of this passage in context considering Obama has a brother in Kenya who lives in poverty. It’s interesting that the brother wanted to become a mechanic but got no assistance from President Obama. When Dinesh D'Souza wanted to interview the brother (and offered him 25K to help him get started on the mechanic dream in 2008) it was blocked by the Obama camp. In 2010 the brother was a lot more cooperative with D’Souza since Obama still hadn’t helped him at all. Oh President Obama also has an aunt in Kenya who sells coal for $2 a day. That’s $730 she makes a year. It’s interesting how generous Obama is – with other people’s money. I can’t wait to watch “Obama's America: 2016” by Dinesh D'Souza
Heard of it?
Further, the Hebrew word for "keeper" is what a prison guard does, keeping prisoners in cells. Abel was a keeper of flocks, not a lamb that needed "keeping." A "keeper" implies control of a flock of docile, stupid, incompetent, wandering, helpless...sheep. The only economic function of sheep is to be sheared. The State has been the "keeper" of the poor for so long that many of them act like caged animals, fed through the bars of their limited freedom, beholden to the State for sustenance.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/ ... z21pCcRKF6
“Right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody." - Obama October 14, 2008
Obamacare is nothing less and nothing more than a redistribution of wealth.
Regarding historical context take the former USSR nations - command economy and wealth redistribution. There were still the extreme (the party) haves and (the people) have-nots. It didn’t work. And when the USSR fell thugs and the mafia took over. Innovation? I’d like to see a study to see how much innovation has taken place since the fall of the USSR in the former soviet states. People were used to being told what to do, where to live, what to eat, and where to work. Even China realized that a more capitalist approach/leaning to the economy was necessary for survival.
B) So the captain of the ship isn’t responsible for the ships course? Okay. Once again Obama isn’t responsible. The CEO’s at HP weren’t responsible for the debacle they made in 2010 and 2011. There for they should keep their jobs. Oh wait what? But Obama isn’t responsible for his brother or for the Economy.
kaitlyn142 wrote: 3. Clean Energy:
Again, liberal. I'm a huge fan of clean energy. My current job in chemical research is owed to the drive towards reducing and/or eliminating VOCs. I would not have a job if there wasn't a drive towards clean air and energy.
They probably wouldn't have if China were playing fair.
I should probably point out I’m actually in favor of technology supporting clean energy. That may surprise you. But my point is: Was due diligence taken to avoid the bankruptcies and waste tax payers money? In my opinion nope. The evidence is the bankruptcies.
Okay once again the blame is on China. So we wasted over half a billion dollars and it’s China’s fault. So Obama isn’t responsible for the clean energy failure.
Okay so the U.S. Credit downgrade was Congress’s fault. And Obama was willing to cooperate. Got it. So Obama isn’t responsible for the U.S. credit downgrade. I think I’m starting to see a pattern emerge here. Maybe it’s just me. Is anybody else reading this?
Eagle wrote: 4. U.S. Credit Downgrade:
DH addressed this. The credit agency addressed this, too, and they made it very clear that they weren't blaming anything on Obama's policies. It was 100% lack of cooperation in Congress.
Eagle wrote: 5. Pro-Class Warfare: He has divided America along racial lines in destructive ways. He has pitted the rich against the poor. He has actively pursued the race issue across America.
This is not taken as read.
Obama is a proponent for taxing those above the 250k income level. But he plans to extend the tax cuts to those under that mark. Redistribution of wealth. He also wants to give amnesty to thousands/millions of illegal aliens. Sounds like extra votes to me?6. Embarrassment Internationally & 7 Embarrassment as a Leader of the Free World
Humility? No. It was perceived as weakness by many. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. Further according to wiki leaks Obama was told by the Japanese government not to apologize for Hiroshima. Never mind that under Japanese honor culture the war would’ve lasted a lot longer if the bombs hadn’t been launched against Japan – costing even more lives and resources. This was a very sad but true issue faced by the American leadership at the time. They made the best decision they thought they could with the resources available. Their responsibility and of course didn’t the President at the time man up to it? Of course this whole paragraph will be dismissed as hearsay. And just to throw it in - this perception is not Obama’s fault.
Eagle wrote: 8. Jobs: He has not met with his Jobs Council for over 6 months. We have had forty (40) consecutive months with unemployment over 8 percent. African Americans haven’t really fared that well either – in July the report was 14.6% unemployment for African Americans. Reverends Sharpton and Jackson would be going crazy in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia if this had been a Hispanic or Caucasian President.
A) AA unemployment is historically higher for a number of reasons. *cough*racism*cough*
This is at best a poor excuse. Not Obama’s fault I get it.
I see you didn’t disagree though that had the circumstances in the White House been different (Asian, Causac the AA leadership that back Obama would be all over the place. I see also that you glossed over the comment that so many AA’s voted for him in 2008. The same is expected in 2012. Interesting.
Not Obama’s fault. It was the Republicans fault. Got it.
kaitlyn142 wrote: B) Again, worst recession in recent history. Also, there are a lot of jobs that have been automated and aren't coming back. It's a mix of cyclical and structural reasons that feed into the high unemployment. The structural reasons are troubling, yes. It's a shame our President hasn't submitted any jobs plans... oh wait. He has. Republicans voted it down.
Eagle wrote: 9. Small Business: The President attacked small business owners recently. “If you’ve got a business. You didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” I mean seriously big government gets the credit for America’s success? That is laughable.
laughable. Laughable that you are again taking things out of context.
Unless small businesses are funding their own police force/building their own roads/maintaining their own fire fighters... And of course, no small business owners attended public grade schools. Take government grants? Use government run healthcare? No small businesses? Anyone?
Out of context. Not Obama’s fault people misrepresented what he said right?
Here’s the full quote:
“Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.”
Sorry but I would venture most entrepreneurs and small business owners would disagree. I imagine even large corporations leadership/teams would take issue with this comment.
Not Obama’s fault. Got it. So to sum up: None of the problems in America are Obama’s fault and we should re-elect him again in November. That way we can give him 4 more years to accomplish… What? Alrighty then. Talking about drinking the No Blame Kool-Aid.
Eagle wrote: 10. Welfare: Largest number of Americans on government assistance in history. A record number of Americans now rely on food stamps – 47 million people. That is one out of 7 Americans. This means a 70% increase since 2007.
The recession was brutal. That doesn't make it Obama's fault.
I’m glad we can agree that his administration has been less than transparent. We do have something in common after all
I knew I forgot something:
I dislike how Obama seems to have time to spare to go golfing entirely too often.