Stocks portfolios and the real estate bubble collapse did contribute. My investment balances reflect that. I agree Obama isn’t all to blame for the past. But he is responsible for his term of office. I just wish his die-hard supporters wouldn’t deflect all the blame off of our President.



See the article and link I posted above from the Washington Post in response to kombat’s post. I didn't realize it was from 2011.



Simple. I don’t. Oh and I drink my No Blame Kool-aid.





Okay so assuming the data is true let’s say conservatives are 60% responsible and liberals are 40% responsible for that time period (Reagan/Bush). 5 Trillion added to the debt was under Democratic majority leadership. The honor of the tipping point of 100% still belongs to President Obama. What a legacy.

Sorry VinTek that's all I got.

Frankly I’m tired of this thread. More pointedly because I feel I’m the only conservative representative (handling over 200+ replies is becoming to cumbersome) and because I have a family/job to consider. We have made it to the 300 replies (is this a thread record?) mark (nearly 28% or 84 mine) and nearly 2800 views. My goal was to discuss these issues and get 300 replies.

Thanks all for your thoughts it has been great fun getting your perspectives. It has been a great stretching experience. I have realized I still have lot's to learn regarding economics, science, politics, and even exploring further into religions. To those whom I have offended or disappointed I apologize. It was not my intention. I will leave you to continue with the discussions on this thread. I will still be pursuing the personal finance topics and may check back from time to time. But 2-4 long (yes I admit it lol) posts per day is just not sustainable. Once again I am very grateful to all of you. I wish you all long lives and great success.

Insult me, say every fact I can prove is 100% because I drank Kool Aid and run away. Dude, no respect. None.

I declare the liberal side won!

That's what keeps happening with you Eagle. Perhaps if you dug a little deeper into the talking points someone is feeding you then you will see the truth...and you will have more credibility.

In your post that I excerpted above, you corrected that it was not Obama who tripled the debt but rather (mostly) Bush Jr. Well that's a huge error, don't you think? Bush was president during a time of moderate economic expansion and growth. There was no reason to spend and increase the debt during that time. He should have continued the Clinton-era practice of actually having balanced budgets. Instead they had to cut taxes to start this whole mess. When will these numbskulls learn...tax cuts do not increase government revenue. I like them as much as the next rich guy, but they just don't help the government finances. If your family were deep in debt would you be trying to cut your salary to help the situation? This is one of those situation I've pointed out to you before. It is a failure to think critically and it is mostly accepted by a group of people, like you, who have been trained to accept things on faith and trust authority, even when what they tell you is patently ridiculous.

Now, once again, the newly monikered Mrs. K (or maybe more properly Dr. K) has marvelously addressed your 10 theses so I won't try to gild that lily. Ambition's post is quite good as well...and of course we can always expect sanity from Vintek and a good challenge from Kombat. Both of them have come through.

The bottom line though is that, while I agree that Obama has not done the best job in some areas, I think most of what you have said are simply right wing attack points that have no merit. You'd have a much better case if Congress had passed a few of his bills and you were criticizing the outcome. Instead you are attacking him for the failings of Congress and his predecessors.

And to your point about him being an embarrassment around the world. That's simply not true. I have been overseas twice this year and talked to quite a few people. Every single person I talked to thought Obama is doing a great job, partly because he has thrown out the American hegemonic arrogance that has dominated our foreign policy for decades in favor of an approach that might actually lead to better relations and improved international cooperation. Because the fact is, American is not going to be the biggest economy in the world in just a few years, we no longer control the critical resources like we used to, and in general we do not have the stature we once did. We need to adapt to that new reality rather than simply denying it and sticking our head in the sand.

I suspected this. You are a shill for some organization and you've met your quota. Good for you. But I hope you realize you've done far more damage to your cause than you can imagine. The search engines will find these posts. People will read them and conclude that the position you are arguing is just vicious attacks without merit. Many of them will realize that the whole right wing you represent is full of it and just vote for Barack Obama. Thank you for that.

That's because you're being willfully blind. If you look at the graph, Obama is responsible for 15% of the deficit problem (as measured against GDP). And much of that 15% is due to tax cuts he didn't implement and wars that he didn't start. I'll cut you some slack on the cost of the wars; 9/11 did happen and we did have to do something about it, although I don't think we did an optimal job at it. But seriously, if 85% of our deficit problem came from Republican policies, you actually want to go back to those policies and believe that things will get better?


You got over 300 replies because you kept changing the subject whenever the facts turned against you. And you're not the only conservative representative on the board. You're simply the only conservative representative who cherry-pick facts to support your contentions, ignores facts contradicting your positions and then takes flight to another topic when things get tough. It really hurts your credibility. I like you, Eagle. I think you're a good guy and well-intentioned. But you really need to be more open-minded.

One word: November. I hope and pray you are wrong.



I'll admit I looked up the word shill. No, I wasn't paid to do anything. And I'm glad to say I din't profit from this lol. It was just a personal goal after looking at the length of replies through all the various threads. Once again, it was great fun. Good luck and great success to you all!

I think this is the perfect quote to end this thread on.