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 Post subject: A One-Term Proposition? Do we accept?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:19 pm 
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I feel like I haven't posted anything interesting in a while... So here we go. ;)

I went and watched Obama 2016 last week. It was actually very interesting. The proposition is that Obama is not a socialist or communist but instead an anti-colonialist. I might tend to agree based on the data presented.

I'm sorry but charisma isn't enough to earn my vote or admiration.

George Obama, President Obama's brother, clearly states that one of the reasons Kenya is in the state it's in is because the Kenyans kicked out all the white people. Not very politically correct but it does make sense. This meant the remaining Kenyan citizens inherited all the land and wealth but had little knowledge on how to retain or increase that wealth. I would imagine Zimbabwe would be a similar story. Wasn't Zimbabwe called the "Jewel of Africa" at one point? S. Africa has struggled with many issues but has become a 1st world country.

I'm very much against racism and exploitation of people. But we need to look at the facts. President Obama has taken the position of Argentina over the U.S.'s long standing ally England on the issue of the Falkland Islands. Further, he has encouraged companies to expand oil production in Mexico and Brazil. This Obama did at the expense of thousands of potential jobs in the U.S. with the Keystone pipeline from Canada to Texas. Let's not even go into the Islamic uprisings in Egypt/Libya and President Obama's weak stance on Israel.

While Romney's religion in Mormonism, in my opinion, is unfortunate I believe he's the lesser of two evils. Under the Obama administration we've surpassed 16 Trillion in the U.S. national debt (Happened during the DNC which is kind of funny). Under President Obama's administration we've never had less than 8% unemployment. That doesn't even consider those who are no longer looking for jobs or are under-employed flipping burgers at McD's. Obama's idea of creating jobs is increasing government jobs. The man had little experience when he got the big job. Romney is an experienced business man. I'm not saying Romney would be able to perform some miracle but I think it would be worth a shot.

As far as influences the documentary presented some interesting facts. President Obama's mother sent him to live with his grandparents in Hawaii at an early pre-teen age. President Obama was influenced by his grandfather who was a card carrying member of the communist party. His grandfather introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis, an extremist socialist who was also a card carrying member of the communist party, who was very influential in Obama's formative years. Davis was mentioned over 20 times in President Obama's book simply as "Frank." Obama was also influenced by Bill Ayers who was a known terrorist and communist. Bill Ayers bombed the NYC police department in 1970. Bill Ayers attempted a bombing of the Pentagon in 1972. Edward Said, a very liberal professor at Columbia University, was a big influence in Obama's life. Roberto Unger, a Brazilian socialist and professor at Harvard, was so extreme that his own people did not want him as part of government as the socialist party in Brazil starting in the 2000's. Unger left Brazil to go back to teach at Harvard as a result. Last but not least is Jeremiah Wright. I'll not mention most of his credits to fame but we all know who he is...

"http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/08/obamas-one-term-comments-seen-in-new-light/1#.UFe630LhBhA" - President Obama, 2009

If a CEO/President in most any industry had the record that Obama had he would be replaced by the shareholders of that same company. I'm of the mind that we should take up President Obama on his offer. Thoughts?

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Also a few quick questions:

1. What is President Barack Obama's full name? Please no google or searches. Curious.

2. How many wives did President Obama's father have? How many siblings does Obama have? Again please no google or searches. Curious.

3. Where did President Obama attend higher education institutions? Again please no google or searches. Curious.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:26 pm 

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Oh for pity's sake, your post is so full of FUD it's not even funny. And it's obvious from past threads that facts don't sway you.

So I'll tell you what: instead of me burning a lot of time and energy disproving your points, why don't you take on the burden of proof and prove your contentions? Then I'll systematically take you apart.

And why not Google or searches? You got something against facts?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:12 am 

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While Romney's religion in Mormonism, in my opinion, is unfortunate


Why is it unfortunate?

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I believe he's the lesser of two evils.


I'm estimating that in November 90% of the people that will vote for Romney and 90% of the people that will vote for Obama will consider their candidate no more favorable than "the lesser of two evils" (and the remaining 10% will be mostly Mormons, multimillionaires, and blacks). Welcome to bipartisan politics, where all you need to prove is that the other guy is worse than your guy, of which your OP is an excellent example.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:36 am 

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Eagle wrote:
I feel like I haven't posted anything interesting in a while... So here we go. ;)




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Also a few quick questions:

1. What is President Barack Obama's full name? Please no google or searches. Curious.

2. How many wives did President Obama's father have? How many siblings does Obama have? Again please no google or searches. Curious.

3. Where did President Obama attend higher education institutions? Again please no google or searches. Curious.


None of this have anything to do with him being the President; quite frankly I think your just doing this because you are bored and know that you are going to goad other posters. You cannot be serious so I am not taking this thread seriously.

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Harvard Law is the most recent one I think.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:58 am 
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Before the 1992 election, much of the same type of FUD was spread about Bill Clinton. If Slick Willy were to be elected POTUS, it would be the end of all truth, liberty, and justice. The black helicopters were going to round up everyone who believed in a higher power and send us off to concentration camps and gas chambers.

After Slick Willy's first term, I quit listening to Rush Limbaugh because he was flat out wrong about all the doom and gloom that was going to happen under a Clinton regime.

My point is this: Don't give into the fear. There's a very good chance that everything is going to be alright if Barack Obama ends up serving another term as our president. Besides, everyone knows that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.

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Jethro wrote:
Besides, everyone knows that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.


I thought hate leads to the dark side.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:55 pm 

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alohabear wrote:
Jethro wrote:
Besides, everyone knows that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.


I thought hate leads to the dark side.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:11 pm 

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VinTek wrote:
alohabear wrote:
Jethro wrote:
Besides, everyone knows that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.


I thought hate leads to the dark side.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

-Yoda


Ah, I was referencing old-school Star Wars:

"Luke! Don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side."

-Obi Wan Kenobi


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:04 pm 

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Eagle wrote:
The proposition is that Obama is not a socialist or communist...

Glad to finally have that out there. So, Tea party finally found someone who could read and actually read a book about politics? Great! Always very furfilling to see other people learn and evolve. Oh, sorry. Forgot - we don´t (evolve).

Anyway. Don´t read too much. You just might end up a liberal.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:04 pm 

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Eagle, just start http://theobamacrat.com/2012/09/03/fact-check-anti-obama-film-2016-obamas-america-is-muddy-on-facts/ and stop being so gullible as to believe everything presented by an obvious piece of propaganda. Don't you ever check facts on your own?


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Northern light wrote:
Eagle wrote:
The proposition is that Obama is not a socialist or communist...

Glad to finally have that out there. So, Tea party finally found someone who could read and actually read a book about politics? Great! Always very furfilling to see other people learn and evolve. Oh, sorry. Forgot - we don´t (evolve).

Anyway. Don´t read too much. You just might end up a liberal.


Nice. There are exceptionally literate people in the Tea Party, too. Like, say, me.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:08 pm 

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Because the board forbids more than 1 link per post, here's http://lehighvalleyclanculariusintrospective.blogspot.com/2012/08/fact-checking-2016-obamas-america.html fact check of the movie.

BTW, what's not mentioned in the either link is that in 2011, the US became a net exporter of oil. Did you have any inking of that?


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VinTek wrote:
BTW, what's not mentioned in the either link is that in 2011, the US became a net exporter of oil. Did you have any inking of that?

I actually knew that, but I don't know where I learned it.

Question: Why do we export oil when we are also importing it? Wouldn't it be cheaper to use our own and only export/import the surplus/deficiency? Serious question.

Yes, it is off-topic, but the original topic is going nowhere good.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:35 pm 

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bpgui wrote:
VinTek wrote:
BTW, what's not mentioned in the either link is that in 2011, the US became a net exporter of oil. Did you have any inking of that?

I actually knew that, but I don't know where I learned it.

Question: Why do we export oil when we are also importing it? Wouldn't it be cheaper to use our own and only export/import the surplus/deficiency? Serious question.

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/25/147421345/whats-behind-the-rise-in-gas-prices and to keep it on-topic, it also address the fact that gas prices aren't necessarily high because the Obama administration rejected the Keyston XL Pipeline, but for other reasons. In fact, the interview addresses your exact question, almost word for word.

Of course. some people don't really want to learn the facts. They'd rather watch a biased "documentary" and accept what it says as...um...gospel, and form opinions based on what's spoon-fed to them.


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iDude wrote:
Northern light wrote:
Eagle wrote:
The proposition is that Obama is not a socialist or communist...

Glad to finally have that out there. So, Tea party finally found someone who could read and actually read a book about politics? Great! Always very furfilling to see other people learn and evolve. Oh, sorry. Forgot - we don´t (evolve).

Anyway. Don´t read too much. You just might end up a liberal.


Nice. There are exceptionally literate people in the Tea Party, too. Like, say, me.


Why pick such an extreme platform?

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