Eagle wrote:So we’re going to bring up again stuff back from the Crusades and the Dark Ages. How about relevant current facts like within the last 50, 100, or 200 years?
Eric Rudolf. Abortion clinic protesters that assault women. The idiots who protest at military funerals. Gay bashers. Going only slightly abroad and just a few years ago we have the catholics and protestants killing each other in Ireland. In the last 100 years we had catholic and protestant religious leaders in Germany, Holland, and elsewhere condoning the killing of jews through either inaction or overt action. Muslims were killed in the former Yugoslavian republics with support of religious leaders in many cases.
Eagle wrote:I noticed there was no comment made on the post regarding Islamic teachings calling people to violence against non-Muslims. I ask again where is something like that called out in the Bible?
Oh, I'm not anti-christian, I abhor fundamentalism and extremism in all its colors. I think all people who take religion too far are in the same category. I'll take your word that you accurately quoted the koran. The bible is also barbaric:
Some barbarism from the OT
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
If ... there is no proof of the girl’s virginity..., she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
And, a bit from the New Testament as well (on your request):
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men; 2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Maybe you think it is ok to say that women must submit to their husbands in everything and that it is ok to own slaves, but that is not something civilized people accept anywhere in the world these days. Those are both violations of human rights. Perhaps it is surprising to you but most of those of us who are intelligent view women as equals and do not think it is ok to view other humans as property.
Eagle wrote:While I’m sure there are some extremist radicals that claim to be Christians you don’t see countries set forth as theistic governments based on Christianity.
Are you serious? Read some history. There might not be any theistic christian governments in 2012 (and I don't know, there might be), but it is not out of benevolence. It is because they were all overthrown or dissolved by revolution.
Was it not a devout Christian who killed 82 at Waco?
You can put your blinders on and say there have been not horrible things done by members of your church in the western hemisphere, in the past week, etc. etc. but so what? No one, certainly not I, is saying that all christians are violent murderers. My only point is that, as a group, your hands are dirtier than you want to believe. That belief in your own virtue probably comes from not thinking critically and objectively.
It is the lack of critical thinking consistent with evidence that I consider a serious flaw.