An introduction to Arbitrage: Using Craigslist to make a living

On Saturday, I drove from Portland to Eugene to meet Jacob from Early Retirement Extreme. He’s on a mini road trip from the Bay Area, scouting Oregon for a place to live. Along with a few other ERE readers, I joined Jacob for a meet-up. (We also go to hang out with Jacob’s dog, Frank, who is so ugly he’s cute.)

For those who don’t recall, Jacob is a theoretical physicist who applied his analytical mind to the problem of retirement. He realized that if he saved 75% of his net income for just five years, he could actually retire at age 30. Like the couple Robert Brokamp interviewed for GRS last week, Jacob set this as a goal and made it happen.

(To learn more about Jacob and his philosophy, check out my review of his book.)

Two Paths to the Same Destination

It was fun to chat with Jacob in person. I feel like he and I are taking two paths to the same destination. We both want financial independence, but we’re using different methods to achieve it. Jacob focuses on cutting costs, and I focus on making money. To be fair, he’s well aware that increased income can accelerate savings, and I’m a vocal advocate of thrift. But when it comes down to it, Jacob’s focus is frugality and mine is increased earning.

Naturally, Saturday’s conversation centered on how Jacob and his readers keep costs low. We talked about building things, about repairing things, and about making things last. We talked about buying used things at thrift stores and off the internet. Eventually the conversation turned to the wonders of Craigslist. “You can find anything there,” Jacob said. We shared our best finds.

But it was here that the discussion took an interesting twist. “You know,” said a fellow named Ryan, “I make my living on Craigslist now.”

“What do you mean?” Jacob asked.

“Well, I buy things on Craigslist, then I sell them for a profit.”

“You sell them on Craigslist?” I asked.

“Sure,” he said.

“Craigslist arbitrage?” I asked. I hadn’t heard the details, and already I was in awe. I knew I had to hear more about how Ryan makes money.

You see, one of the seeds for this very site was my own experience with arbitrage, the art of taking advantage of price anomalies to make a profit. If you pick up some old books for five bucks on eBay and then resell them on eBay for fifty, you’re practicing arbitrage. Clear as mud? Let met explain how I learned about arbitrage.

Playing Games

Back in 2005, I wasted much of my time playing World of Warcraft, an online role-playing game. I liked to slay dragons and fight zombies as much as the next guy, but what I really enjoyed was shopping at the in-game auction house. When you had stuff you didn’t want, you could sell it to other players through auctions. Because the game world was large enough, a stable economy developed. Certain items generally sold for certain prices.

For instance, you might be able to buy a stack of medium leather for ten silver pieces. (I can’t recall exactly how much anything cost, so my examples use arbitrary numbers.) But sometimes, somebody would sell medium leather for five silver pieces. It was simple enough to buy the leather and then re-list it at the auction hall immediately, netting a profit of five silver pieces.

At the auction house…making money!

But buying and selling stacks of leather (which could be used in-game to make pouches, bags, and armor) was small potatoes. Eventually I started buying weapons and magic items. The Sword of Ultimate Slaying might normally sell for 100 gold pieces, but sometimes you might spot it selling for 50 gold. Well. I’d snap it up and then resell it for more. Even if it sold for 70 gold, I’d have made a big profit for very little effort.

I was practicing arbitrage. And soon my lowly little wizard had a fortune of hundreds of gold pieces.

“Man,” I thought. “Too bad I can’t do this in real life.”

It turns out you can do this in real life. That’s what Ryan was describing at Jacob’s meet-up on Saturday.

Trivia: No joke — my experience with buying and selling stuff was one of the prime reasons I decided to start Get Rich Slowly. The connection isn’t obvious (not even to me), but it’s there.

Buy Low, Sell High

Ryan explained that he’s a licensed general contractor, and has done plenty of construction work. But somewhere along the way he discovered he could make a living through buying and selling on Craigslist. I asked him to give me more details.

“You have to know how the system works,” Ryan said. “The good stuff sells instantly. Craigslist updates the listings every ten minutes. You have seconds to reply to get the good stuff, the stuff that’s cheap. If a listing is more than a few minutes old, it’s not a bargain.” It might be fairly priced, but it’s not worth buying to resell.

“But how do you respond quickly?” I asked. “By phone?”

“I have automatic scripts set up on my computer,” he explained. “When I see a listing I want, I click a button in my browser. This automatically creates an email, and I add just a few new notes and send it. It takes very little time.” Plus, he admits that he’s handy with his telephone.

“I’m not the only one doing this. If I were, it’d be easy. There are others out there snapping up the bargains too.”

“What do you buy and sell?” someone asked.

“I’ll buy anything if it’s a bargain. Appliances are awesome,” he told us. “A used washer or dryer is easily worth $50. Often $100. If I can get it for free — and often I can — that’s pure profit.” It helps that Ryan has connections in the construction industry. When he finds something, he knows who to call.

“But it doesn’t really matter,” he said. “I buy what I know and sell what I know. If you wanted to do this, that’s what you’d do too.” In other words, if I wanted to do Craigslist arbitrage, I’d try to buy and sell comic books or computers.

“And you really make a living at this?” I asked.

“Yep,” he said. I suspect it doesn’t hurt that he’s bought into Jacob’s early retirement philosophy; I’ll be Ryan keeps his costs low, which would allow him to sustain his family on a lower income than he might otherwise need.

Ryan’s story is great. I love finding folks who’ve developed creative ways to earn money, and this one was new to me. For me, the best parts of his story were the individual anecdotes he told about great deals he’d made. (Or, in one case, failed to make.) I’d actually like to hear more about how he does it. (If you want to know more, let me know; I’ll bet we could get him to write an article!)

You can read more about Craigslist arbitrage at Dane Jensen’s blog.

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There are 153 comments to "An introduction to Arbitrage: Using Craigslist to make a living".

  1. LifeAndMyFinances says 17 August 2011 at 04:13

    I have entertained this idea as well, but you definitely need some spare time.

    I suspect there are a few things to watch for.

    1) Whoever posts the item could have it in the wrong category, causing it to get fewer looks, and you can snatch it up for cheap

    2) The item for sale does not have a picture to go with it. This causes less interest, which could give you a chance for a better bargain.

    3) Also, if you sense urgency in the seller’s post, you could run over to their place with cash and score a great deal as well.

    After all of these scenarios, you could easily purchase the item for cheap and then post it back onto Craigslist! 🙂

    • GL says 17 August 2011 at 05:06

      Life, have you ever bought/sold anything on craigslist? As in, ever? O_o

      2) Most craigslist listings don’t have pictures, especially if they’re for electronics. Everyone knows what a PS3 or an iPod looks like.

      3)”you could run over to their place with cash”
      How do you think people usually trade on craigslist – ship the items by snail mail and send a check? LOL… This is exactly how it works – the buyer meets the seller at their place (or at a local landmark) and pays cash.

      O_o

      • lawyerette says 17 August 2011 at 05:35

        Um, have YOU ever bought or sold anything on Craigslist, GL? Because items with a picture (even common items) get way more responses – and when I’m looking to buy, I typically don’t seek out sellers who don’t have a picture of the item. Just feels like it might be a scam.

        And someone who comes over right away with cash within 20-30% of the asking price will get the item 95% of the time, because so many buyers are flakes.

        • GL says 17 August 2011 at 15:42

          LOL… Lawyerette, I paid for my college tuition by reselling PS3’s and Wii’s – trust me when I say I know what I’m talking about. If the item is in demand and fairly priced, people will buy it – picture or no picture. And if the seller knows that the demand for his item is high, all the lowballers will be sent packing. 30% below the asking price – really?..

        • Des says 17 August 2011 at 16:35

          Look, there is a difference between selling a PS3 (which all look basically the same) and selling a piece of furniture or an appliance. The VAST majority of items sold on CL are not current model electronic devices. So yes, pics sell and if you can show up when you say you will you’re ahead of most CL flakes.

        • csdx says 17 August 2011 at 18:59

          “The VAST majority of items sold on CL are not current model electronic devices”

          [citation needed]

          Last time I had looked for stuff on craigslist there were a fair amount of game systems, i-bling, and e-readers and the like. I suspect that some people are resellers much like an ebay store would be doing.

  2. Brian Carr says 17 August 2011 at 04:20

    I’m not proud of this, but there have been a few times where I’ve grabbed something for free and then turn around and sold it on Craig’s List. I feel kind of bad, but not bad enough to not deposit the extra cash.

    • Erin says 17 August 2011 at 12:24

      Don’t feel bad. They could have sold it, but they didn’t, maybe because they just wanted to get rid of the item quickly and didn’t want to deal with a sale.

      BTW, how is Ryan dealing with his taxes? Seems like a lot of work to inventory all of these deals. Not that that should deter anyone from doing it, but it’s worth considering.

    • Andrea says 18 August 2011 at 09:06

      Yes, don’t feel bad. I gave away a lot of things -I just wanted them out of my house/my mom’s house. If someone wanted to take them for use or sale- I was just glad the stuff was gone.

  3. Jane says 17 August 2011 at 04:35

    Obviously this is fine to do, but if I’m giving a working washer away for free, I would much rather it go to someone who is actually going to use it and can really benefit from the deal. Of course, he’s benefiting from the deal as well. But it’s really the same principal as scalpers, although somewhat less offensive. You take all the good stuff that is priced low and fairly and raise the price. Sure, you can argue that the person that buys the previously free washer would have never probably gotten it for nothing. You can argue you are providing a service. But you are also making people pay more for something that they could have gotten for less. I know – that’s capitalism! There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m just saying that if I was giving away something for free on Craigslist, I would respond to the person who at least appeared to need it for themselves. But having said that, I don’t like the sob stories on Craigslist. If I’m giving away a stroller for free (which I just did), I don’t need to hear that you just got out of the hospital and need it for your grandson. Just tell me you’d put it to good use.

    • Jane says 17 August 2011 at 05:23

      Honestly, the more I think about this, the more likely I am in the future to drop my free or low priced items at Goodwill rather than offering them on Craigslist. If there are that many people re-selling on Craigslist, then I imagine many of my things are going to them. I don’t think you probably tell people in your e-mail “I’m going to re-sell this for profit.” You probably just say you could use it. I would rather the profit go to Goodwill than some unknown individual. Call me naive but I was often offering things for free on Craigslist to give someone else a break. I think in many respects I accomplished this – like the time I gave away an unworking (but easily fixed) suuround sound system of my husband’s. It turns out a woman responded whose husband had just lost his job. He was a tinkerer, and since they couldn’t afford a gift for his birthday, she wanted to give him this to fix. The whole family turned up to pick it up and I later received a second e-mail telling me how much fun he was having fixing it. Or the time I received a hand written thank you note for an antique door I gave away that fit perfectly in their 1920s home. That was touching. I’m not saying I expect this, but it is meaningful. I think this type of thing on a large scale would undermine this type of interpersonal exchange.

      • Tonya says 17 August 2011 at 12:25

        I usually put free stuff on Freecycle. If you get something on Freecycle, it’s illegal to resell it. I’m surprised Craigslist doesn’t have the same rules for free stuff obtained on their site. Seems like it would let the free stuff go to people who truly are in need, not just those who are looking to turn a quick profit.

        • Ru says 17 August 2011 at 14:01

          You can make money from Freecycle though- my mother uses freecycle to get fabric and yarn that I might like. Sometimes I use it to make something for myself or a gift for a friend, but occasionally I have used materials I got for free to create something that I then sold.

          I don’t feel bad about it, because I sell all my goods on Ebay with a starting bid of 99p, so people can get some nice handmade things for cheap, I get space in my house and some money to go towards my university costs.

        • Tom says 18 August 2011 at 05:22

          I think it is more unethical than it is illegal to resell items off of freecycle.

        • Steve says 22 August 2011 at 11:31

          Against the rules, but the rules are not legally enforceable.

          We gave away some stuff on CL last time we moved. I didn’t mind that some people were going to resell it, necessarily. I did mind that they were probably going to just wipe the mold off and sell it at a non-moldy price to someone unsuspecting. And I did mind that one guy was “casing” the place, asking not just “what else are you giving away” but also “Are you giving that away? How about that?”

        • kate says 26 July 2014 at 17:33

          What?! Are you kidding me? “If you get free stuff its illegal to sale it”… You can’t be serious right? What if I got something free, and say I used it for two years and threw it in the garage sale—is there a Free Stuff Gestapo now in America too? Seriously, lighten up.

      • Johana says 17 August 2011 at 17:40

        Wow. I am amazed why anyone would offer something for free on Craigslist. Goodwill offers our “challenged” population an opportunity to work with dignity through the proceeds of donated items. That’s where my freebies go.

        • xtine says 18 August 2011 at 13:01

          Not everything is appropriate for Goodwill. I give things away on craigslist that are used construction materials that are typically too big for me to shlep over to the used construction stuff shop. There are many examples of times when it is best to just put something on the curb with a FREE sign. And, the ethics of what the recipient does with it are in your own head. I want something gone and I don’t want to deal with dickering for a few bucks. What the next person does, more power to em…

        • Bella says 18 August 2011 at 13:13

          I do send most stuff to Goodwill but some things are cumbersome to move, or Goodwill won’t take. For example – I had a bunch of climbing roses revert to their wild rose stock – they no longer fit my garden and were unruly and hard to take care of, I pulled them up, put them on the side of the house and posted them to craigslist for free. I imagine whomever got them installed them in a part of their garden where they looked good. I they resold them – I don’t care – I just wanted them out of my garden. Likewise I had a bunch of siding remnants from when we did our shed – not worth money to anyone – but the person who came to pick them up planned to put them on their doghouse – better than the landfill in my opinion. And if they sold the dogouse – even better for them for reusing ‘trash’, I jsut wanted it off the side of my house.

      • CK says 22 February 2013 at 13:38

        Jane….Goodwill SELLS it too. What’s the difference. So does, Salvation Army, etc. They sell the stuff people donate for free AND I might add the drop-offs in WA are getting VERY picky. A friend said she tried dropping off used clothing (her clothes are top-notch by the way) and she had just pulled them out of the drawers to clear out anything that didn’t fit. They were clean and put in the drawers. The Goodwill guy asked her if she had washed them and she told him they were washed and stored in the drawers before being bagged up. He would NOT take them. Said she had to take them home and wash all of them, then bring them back! I could understand if they were dirty, but this friend is a super neat freak. Nothing has a speck of dust on it.

    • Mike Moyer says 17 August 2011 at 07:32

      There are two types of free listings on craigslist. First, there are people who list their washer cheap to help someone in need. I agree to some degree that people take advantage of that for profit.

      However the vast MAJORITY of free and cheap listing on craigslist are you’re average middle class over consumer who is moving this weekend and must sell their bedroom set by tomorrow. I personally have no problem taking advantage of that situation.

      Ultimately it’s up to the seller to determine if the buyer has good or bad intentions. You can refuse any sale you’d like…

      • L says 17 August 2011 at 08:59

        I agree; we often give stuff away for free just to get rid of it!! Sometimes I want the space and less clutter more than I want the money for it. We gave away our old washer and dryer – they made have brought us $50 or $100, but I just wanted them gone and didn’t want to hassle with it anymore. I don’t care what the person did with them – he may or may not have made a profit, not my business. If I chose to give it away free or cheap, who am I to fault the person who took/bought it for making a better business deal than myself?

    • Des says 17 August 2011 at 09:01

      When I give items away for free on CL it is usually for my own convenience – I don’t want to deal with trying to price and sell it, and manage all the emails and CL-flakes. I know that if I put it up for free it will be gone in a day and I’ll be done with it. If someone else can make a profit off that, more power to them.

      Also, I don’t know about your area, but Goodwill (et al) won’t take baby items around here (strollers, cribs, car seats, etc). They said it was a liability issue, since there are so many recalls and they can’t know if car seats have been in an accident.

      • babysteps says 17 August 2011 at 11:37

        Exactly. We moved recently and in the last week I suddenly realized that I had 12 (!) more file cabinets than I wanted to take. Craig’s list Free, 1st come 1st served, and no judgements as to “winner” –
        I also had a grape press I was giving away, I had one potential taker who tried to guilt me into holding it for her (well, her son). First come is a great concept!! Grape press went to someone else, really I didn’t care – I just wanted to get the stuff out before we closed on the sale of the house!

        My college room-mate’s spouse makes all his $ now on eBay, reselling estate sale stuff. He does have a great eye, but it’s still impressive!!

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 13:01
      Hi Jane, thanks for the comments. I’m not sure if it’s fair to call it scalping. First, probably 90% of appliances that I resell I’ve purchased, not received free. Buying low and selling for more is basic business. If there is a problem with it being done on Craigslist, one needs to take issue how most other businesses operate.

      “You take all the good stuff that is priced low and fairly and raise the price.”

      I buy almost brand new dishwashers for $25, nice dryers for $10 etc. That is low, but not fairly priced. I raise it to a fair price after I clean it up, and usually sell it within a day, many times less than a day. (Often times I deliver as well, as most people have no way of transporting appliances) I price the items at below average selling price to keep my garage from filling up.

      ” But you are also making people pay more for something that they could have gotten for less.”

      That’s true, and that’s ok. They are still going to get a very nice appliance for 1/4 to 1/5 of the new price. My competition isn’t with normal people on craigslist for the most part, it’s with dealers.

      “I don’t think you probably tell people in your e-mail “I’m going to re-sell this for profit.”

      Just to clarify, I usually will not respond to a free posting of an item where the person declares they want it to go to a person in need. (Though most people truly in need will never be on Craigslist) If they ask, I will tell them. The usual response is “cool”.

      All that said, if you as the owner of an item would like to give it away to a person in “need”, craigslist probably isn’t the best place. It might be better to give the item to a neighbor or someone you know, a local church etc. If it’s clothes, contact local schools.

      Picking up items, even if it’s free requires work. Time on the computer, time to drive and pick it up, clean it up, pictures and post. Then communication etc with potential buyers, and for me, I deliver probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the items I sell, mostly appliances.

      Craigslist has provided me with good honest employment. People want to know how to stimulate the economy? Start selling/buying and giving your items away on craigslist. If someone makes money on it, great! People need work and money to provide for their families.

      • Jane says 17 August 2011 at 18:32

        Ryan –
        Thanks for your reply. Your description of your business and the quick turn around makes me think it is even more like scalping than before. Most definitions of scalping that I saw stressed the amassing of large quantities of something and the quick turn around of them for profit. If you buy and sell an item in the same day for profit, then I don’t imagine you are really improving the product that much. I find it entirely different if someone is repairing broken items and reselling them. But, say, Mr. Smith needs to buy a washer and is short on cash. But he can’t sit around all day checking Craigslist for the cheapest or free washers, since he works away from a computer all day. So he misses out in the morning on the washer that the person moving ASAP posted for $100 that was quickly taken by you or one of your competitors. Instead, he has to spend $50 or $75 more in the evening to buy the same washer that passed hands during the day. Do you see why this is somewhat distasteful to people?

        Note I also find this disturbing in the current foreclosure market and the fact that the best deals are being swiped by realtors or others with the inside track. They then slap a can of paint or do other surface repairs (that a homeowner could also do) and sell the house quickly and make lots of money. This is happening all over the country. The house next to me was foreclosed. In the morning, someone (we don’t know who) bought the house from the bank for $40,000. Then their friends (local realtors) bought it AN HOUR later for $50,000. Someone made $10,000 doing nothing. The realtor sold it for $150,000 six months later. Perhaps this is all perfectly legal and a part of capitalism and free enterprise, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.

        • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 21:31

          I hear what you are saying about Mr. Smith. He wants a cheap washer. Let’s keep going with the story. Mr. Smith is busy so he missed a few nice washers ($25 each) in the morning. Ryan drove with his trailer and picked them up and brought them home and put them up for $75 each. Mr. Smith gets on the computer and sees washers from $25-$400. Mr. Smith chooses not to buy Ryan’s nice white washer for $75 and buys cream colored washer for $25 that Ryan passed up because there wasn’t any money to be made in the deal. Mr. Smith couldn’t be picky because he only had $25, and that ended up being enough for him to get a working washing machine. Both Mr. Smith, Ryan and the two sellers were happy.

          Is that scenario distasteful? That’s realistic scenario coming from my experience of buying/selling hundreds of appliances on craigslist.

          Craigslist is not a charity. It’s a marketplace for buying/selling.

        • Liddy says 26 July 2014 at 17:54

          Jane,
          Wow—-do NOT include me in your comments-aside from the Unfortunate mess and loss to the foreclosed families–YES, that is distasteful to most…

          However, your post come across as completely down on ANYONE who is sharp and enterprising and has found a creative and HONEST way to support himself and his family–you who seem so “help the family’ and honestly—I find your comments offensive–especially in this day where SO many people are out of work… buying low and selling high–IS how 99.9 percent of business IS done–in order to “make” a profit, pay for overhead, materials, time and energy. Where on earth did you come from?

          Considering that GoodWill and Salvation Army–whom I and I am sure many other people posting comments here have “donated’ to—are also aware THEY SALE ALL ITEMS—DONTATED TO THEM–THAT IS FOR ‘NEEDY’ FAMILIES—NEARLY SPECIFICALLY FOR “NEEDY” FAMILIES… and if you have ever gone into one of these “STORES” recently–you will see–they are not so darn “cheap’ either–nor are they “Free” to these “Needy’ families you have your hair all tied in knots over ‘judging’ these folks who have nearly been FORCED to FIND some kind of work—rather than chide them—how about commend them for their ingenuity and ability to provide for their family now–doing this ‘fairly” and respectable to boot. Sorry to ‘chide’ on you but your comments were so “Gestapo” like to me about all this “Well, if its free–its ILLEGAL for them to re-sale it”.. like WOW. What if my grandpa was dying and needed his last dose of meds before we said goodbye–and we were all SO damn poor that everything we had has been “given FREELY” to us—but say a nice TV set would ‘re-sale’ for 50.oo on CL or E-bay and give me the ability to buy that last dose of ‘good bye” would you dare send your Gestapo after me? Seriously, don’t be so anal- as that is how your comment came off… People are doing all they can right now to survive –who gives a rats behind if they sale something that was given to them for free? Do you really care that much?!

        • tom says 13 November 2014 at 08:06

          Sounds like you’re a dirty Communist. I’m sorry you’ve been naive your whole life, but that is how the WORLD works. Every company buys low and sells high, that is called PROFIT.

      • CincyCat says 22 August 2011 at 12:43

        This entire conversation makes me chuckle.

        Jane, what do you think your favorite grocery or apparel store does?

        They buy merchandise for as low as they possibly can, then turn around & sell it for as high as the market will bear.

        It’s basic economics.

    • Mark C says 05 March 2012 at 00:19

      “Obviously this is fine to do, but if I’m giving a working washer away for free, I would much rather it go to someone who is actually going to use it and can really benefit from the deal.”

      Hilarious So if someone sells your washer for $50, he’s not benefiting from the deal? What if what he really needed was a dryer? So he sells your washer for $50 and turns around and buys a used dryer with the money. So now he has a free dryer instead of a free washer. Big difference, eh?

  4. SB @ One Cent At A Time says 17 August 2011 at 04:59

    This s very interesting story, that’s why I read GRS every day. Yes do like to know more about CL arbitrage. I bought things and sold things, but that’s on need basis.

  5. Mark says 17 August 2011 at 05:16

    I used to do basically the same thing about a decade ago, browsing online forums for deals, and reselling on eBay. I practically put myself through college selling Microsoft software – people were simply not aware of the true value of that disc that came with their PC.

    It was practically free money, but once the idea really caught on, it became really, really difficult. The poster touches on this a bit, how the good deals are gone in seconds. He’s not exaggerating. It wasn’t always like this, and even back when it was a little known way to make money, it was still a pretty life consuming job to always be on top of it. Still, there were days when I could make $200 bucks by 10am and just kick back for the rest of the day.

    Eventually I got out of it because I saw the writing on the wall. It’s probably certainly still possible to make some sort of living doing this, but it’s not quite as casual as it used to be. Especially dealing on CL, you have to be a pretty hard nosed haggler both buying and selling. If you want to be successful, you have to learn how to properly manipulate people’s emotions (like any salesman). And you have to be prepared to be screwed, on both the buying and selling end. He makes it sound easy, but it’s not for the faint of heart.

    • Nancy L. says 17 August 2011 at 06:20

      I would also imagine that there is the potential for your finds to take up a lot of space in your house if you don’t find an interested buyer immediately. Especially if you are dealing with washing machines, fridges, etc.

  6. Mark says 17 August 2011 at 05:19

    Also, very frankly, you have to learn not to ask where things come from. There are a LOT of stolen goods being sold online, especially on craigslist. If you’re not comfortable with that, don’t even bother.

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 13:23
      There are definitely a lot of stolen goods on craigslist. The best way to deal with that is to buy items that have a story. How long have you owned the item? When did you buy it and from whom? I personally go to each person’s house when I make purchases. Sometimes people are uncomfortable and want to meet at a store etc. Usually people aren’t going to want to sell a stolen item out of their home, as you find out where they live etc.

      Another point is maybe stay away from high theft items like tools, bikes, car stereo’s, GPS’s etc. Or, before you buy ask for the story and if you don’t like the story, feel uncomfortable, bad feeling etc, walk away.

      • Andrea says 18 August 2011 at 09:12

        I never thought about that- but as I have only bought yarn on Craigslist- I’m pretty sure it was not “hot”

        • Kenny Zales says 27 December 2012 at 17:20

          Not so fast. Haven’t you heard about the Craigslist Grannies? They’d commit hold-ups with knitting needles while exclaiming: Your yarn or your life! Knit one, pearl you!

  7. Mark says 17 August 2011 at 05:21

    I would love to here more stories from Ryan on what he has done on Craigslist

  8. Alexandra says 17 August 2011 at 05:21

    Yes, I would like to read a guest post from Ryan.

    This is so totally not my personality to actually do something like that.

    I gave away all my baby items – things I paid hundreds of dollars for, becuase they were starting to clutter up my spare room. The time and effort it would take to have to take a picture, list it, receive emails, meet the people and one-by-one get rid of the things seemed not worth the trouble.

    I ended up calling a couple that I knew was expecting, asking if they needed baby stuff, and then conditioning my offer with the fact that if they wanted anything, they would have to take it ALL. They did.

    I got a clean room in a matter of minutes, an I was completely happy about it.

  9. Alexandra says 17 August 2011 at 05:22

    P.S. Love that dog!

    • J.D. says 17 August 2011 at 06:28

      iPhone + instagram + ugly dog begging for my food = perfect blog photo

      • Jen says 17 August 2011 at 07:17

        J.D., being a pug owner myself, I have to say that Frank isn’t ugly…he’s pugly! 🙂

  10. Marsha says 17 August 2011 at 05:26

    I did something similar years ago, but with garage sales and trash-picking. My kids were small and I wanted to earn some extra money without having to put them in child care. We would go to several garage sales each week to look for items for ourselves, and I’d buy additional items I knew I could easily sell for higher prices. I would also go out in the evenings and scope the curbs. At the end of the summer, I’d have a huge garage sale myself. I usually earned enough to finance a family vacation and other extras that didn’t have to come out of our regular budget.

  11. Anne Cross says 17 August 2011 at 05:40

    I’m a member of Freecycle, where some people post requests for things they want and some post ads for things they want to get rid of — all for free and in a commutarian spirit. Last winter, a guy posted a wanted ad for a printer; he said he was going back to school and couldn’t afford one. I had an extra, so I was very happy to give it to him. When he picked it up, I noticed he had a back seat full of printers, and a few weeks later, I saw him post again on Freecycle for a printer.

    I had a lot of thoughts about this transaction — from feeling duped when I tried to give something to someone in need, to wondering if I should report him to the Freecycle police, to thinking I should get over it, because I made an honest gesture of helping someone.

    He’s probably selling them on CL and laughing all the way to the bank.

    I think CL free section is different — there’s no pretense of helping anyone, but I do think of Freecylce as really aimed at do-gooding. In the end somebody out there is using the printer that was just sitting in my closet.

    • Becka says 17 August 2011 at 05:48

      I would definitely feel upset if someone sold something I freecycled to them, and would consider reporting them to the community mod. That’s completely contrary to the spirit of the movement.

      • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 13:31
        I don’t use Freecycle. However, the only way I can suggest to people to handle situations like this is to give the item away to someone you know. Successful, meaningful charity usually takes more work than simply throwing something up on Freecycle and Craigslist. Those avenues are easy, but are also easily exploited. There are some creative people out there that I’m sure could come up with a wiser way to give items away. I’d love to hear about them. I’ll write more about this issue when I have some more time to think about it.
        • Andrea says 18 August 2011 at 09:26

          we have a place called Wider Circle which gives household items directly to people who have been homeless but now have a home/have a fire/other disaster -locally. They have specific things that they accept and so I gave them the better housewares from my mom’s house. I also work with a shelter and now I give them any decent clothing/shoes/bedding that we have to give away. I have given some good quality glassware/porcelain/pottery to a particular thrift shop which is run only by volunteers and divides all proceeds among several local charities. And for wornout houshold textiles like towels,small rugs, bedding -they go to the local animal shelter as bedding for cats/dogs/guinea pigs

      • Steve says 22 August 2011 at 11:38

        The purpose of Freecycle is not to help people in need. It is to keep items out of landfills. In the group covering my area, there is a strictly enforced that you can’t say give any sob stories in your WANT post.

        • Laura says 03 September 2011 at 21:38

          I completely agree– the STATED purpose of freecycle is to prevent things from going to the landfill by giving items that are not useful to you to someone else.

          My biggest pet peeve with freecycle is the “freeloaders” who constantly post that they need new furniture because they “just moved,” etc. I’m sorry– I don’t mean to be derogatory to someone in need, but the purpose of freecycle is NOT to request that other people give you lots of free stuff. We have almost daily requests for things like computers, and since freecycle (at least in our area) is a list-serve rather than a website (like CL), it is extremely annoying to list all the things you’d like others to give you. (If it were a website, it might be much more appropriate to have a section listing items that people are seeking.) It drives me crazy that our local (non-existent) moderator doesn’t crack down on it. The ONLY time I think it is appropriate to ask for something on freecycle is if it is something of little monetary value that you know people have lying around in their garages (i.e. I need 20 egg cartons for an art project).

          So why do I still subscribe to freecycle when I complain so bitterly….? I think freecycle is great if you can get away from the freeloaders. We’ve often had things that have absolutely NO value to us that we’ve found others are eager & excited to have. We (unfortunately) have to go to the dump fairly often (as a result of our house renovation), and it is sickening to see what is thrown away thoughtlessly in this country. We once pulled an entire truckload of wooden shingles off our roof– they were broken and seemingly worthless. We posted them on freecycle, and someone called within a couple of hours and picked up our broken shingles to use as kindling. They were thrilled to have them! We kept them out of the landfill (saving ourselves some money), and met an interesting guy whom we otherwise never would have met. Talk about a win-win made possible by the wonders of the internet. We even have a few folks that we now consider friends as a result of freecycle transactions.

          Oh, and, since the stated purpose of freecycle is to keep items out of the landfill, I really wouldn’t have a problem if someone re-sold something I gave them. We give things away on freecycle because they are too odd or difficult to sell on Ebay/CL– if someone else wants to do the real work of reselling, more power to them.

    • Andrea says 18 August 2011 at 09:18

      I do use Freecycle and I’m pretty sure none of my stuff was directly resold- although I was happy to give someone a bag of broken costume jewelry which she refashions into new items. I was sorry when I offered to drop something off for someone and realized when I got there(and did put the item on her gross porch) that she was a hoarder. Her porch was piled high with stuff/junk as was her small lawn area. Since what I had offered was a small craft item- I hoped by putting it on her door handle- she might actually use it.

  12. Matt says 17 August 2011 at 06:00

    I’ve bought – and sold – quite a bit of stuff on Craigslist. Most of the time I’m very certain it’s not stolen – so I don’t know where that idea comes from – perhaps it depends on where you live? Or perhaps I’m just not looking in the categories where things are frequently stolen.

    I don’t see any problem at all with someone who knows the market buying stuff cheap and selling at market price. I think it makes sense, and since the sellers are getting what they consider enough, that’s fine. With stuff like large appliances in particular, many people are just happy to get something out of their house (especially if they don’t have a large vehicle themselves).

    @ #14 Anne – I find it odd that someone would run a scam using printers – old printers generally aren’t worth very much. If this guy is selling them, he’s probably only barely covering his gas costs!

  13. Mark says 17 August 2011 at 06:05

    Any do-gooder community will eventually be exploited by resellers. It’s only a matter of time, if there’s money to be made. If anything they’ll just get better at concealing their true motives.

    Obviously there are a lot of ethical concerns here, and they’re valid. But if you’re going to give something away online of any value, assume its going to a reseller. They might sound like parasites, but they’re often providing a very valuable service – waste disposal and some easy cash in your pocket. And the item is going to someone else to be used, not to be trashed. Both ends are usually satisfied customers. The equation changes a bit when it’s given away for free, but that’s tends to be stuff that’s hard to resell and dispose anyway.

    Also, their activities tend to push the amount you can get online higher, since they’re competing against each other to buy from the limited pool of stuff out there. This is why stuff often goes for near new retail prices online.

    Giving away to help people on CL or such is a nice idea. But it’s also pretty quaint and naive. People will have no qualms lying to your face to make a buck. Sad, but true. Hey, at least you got it out of your house and someone out there is putting it to use.

    • RosaMN says 17 August 2011 at 13:46

      When we used to do food redistribution, occasionally we’d find that the people picking up our free food were reselling it or using it at a restaurant or food cart.

      Some of my fellow volunteers would get really mad (and of course it’s illegal for the reseller – the Good Samaritan laws that protect people donating, don’t protect people selling). But it never really bothered me – folks who just desired to retire early are way less common at the bottom of the economic ladder than folks who just really, really need the money. If you’re getting rid of something for free so it can be used or not go in the trash, the reseller is still making that happen.

  14. Everyday+Tips says 17 August 2011 at 06:06

    I love the photo of that dog!

    This post reminded me that I need to list some books on Amazon!

    One thing I did was I bought a duplicate of a Harry Potter Lego set last Christmas. I was going to take it back, but then I decided to hold on to it awhile. I will then sell it when it is out of production and hopefully make a little money on it.

    • Panda says 17 August 2011 at 06:25

      My bf and I do this with Lego sets as well.

      • Cathie says 18 August 2011 at 08:28

        Good plan! My son 8 yr. old son is CONSTANTLY perusing ebay for Legos he “needs.” I will have to remember this, to hedge his spending.
        And also, I would LOVE to read a guest post by Ryan. I am intrigued by what he does. We had a reseller come get our old fridge within hours of listing it on CL. He told us he fixes them up and resells them, and he told us that he could probably get $100 for the one he bought from us for $25. We were happy to help, and considered it a win-win. We made a few bucks, and got rid of it, and he made a few bucks.
        Personally, I love the junk business!

  15. SavageChris says 17 August 2011 at 06:10

    First time poster(long time reader):

    This actually scares me. I used to LOVE ebay. You could find almost anything you wanted and get a good price for it. Then, all the “Make your living on Ebay!” books started coming out and the hunt for a good deal started feeling like wading through a garbage dump.

    I suppose nothing (good) lasts forever.

    • Ken says 17 August 2011 at 14:32

      I agree. I also used to be able to find good deals on eBay for things I needed or just really wanted. It was both thrilling and economical. Then as you said, there came a time where I would try to bid on things and then they would be snapped up at the last second every time by what I assume were automated systems or scripts for the purposes of reselling.

      I’m all for making a buck if you are providing a service or goods someone needs, but I see no real value being added to the system by arbitrage. It only takes. It’s certainly not criminal but… let’s just say that in my personal view, it’s not my favorite part of capitalism.

      • Postdoc says 19 August 2011 at 05:34

        I don’t get this attitude. Before, the economic surplus was going to the buyer (i.e., sellers weren’t getting as much as they should), and now the economic surplus is split more evenly between buyers and sellers. I like knowing that if I need to sell a rather esoteric item that I no longer need, there will be a market for it. This didn’t use to be the case, as you point out.

        As for the automated scripts, have you tried using them yourself? Many are free and simple. I don’t use eBay for resale, but I still find these scripts handy when I’m bidding on items in distant time zones or against (as you write) professionals.

  16. cc says 17 August 2011 at 06:18

    i do this pretty often with amazon. i regularly sell old books and dvd’s we don’t use anymore, and occasionally i’ll just tire of an item that still has value and sell it on amazon.
    the cool thing is if you bought it on amazon in the first place and go back to sell it later, it tells you when you bought it and how much it was. turns out a lot of electronics and popular games keep their retail values, but many many items are 99 cent duds. it’s worth going through to check though- i just found a concert dvd selling for $70 on amazon that i never watch anymore.
    craigslist is awesome too, just sold an old jacket, trying to get rid of more items. it’s trickier to price on CL, since the going rate isn’t there in black and white…

  17. anna says 17 August 2011 at 06:21

    How is what he is doing “retirement”? It seems more to me of a job, and not just a job, but a tedious, kind of menial one of calling and being called by strangers, driving around, picking stuff up, dropping stuff off, cleaning and fixing. I’ve done the same kind of buying and selling (craigslist and ebay), when strapped for cash, and it isn’t something I’d ever use junk-picking to replace a career that has some positive impact on the world. Retirement shouldn’t just mean more work with less consequence.

    • J.D. says 17 August 2011 at 06:25

      Anna, I think you’re conflating Jacob and Ryan. It’s Jacob who writes about early retirement; Ryan is one of his readers.

      • Frugal+Texas+Gal says 17 August 2011 at 07:45

        Anna (boy am I posting alot today), I’ll also note that while you find what i do tedious, I love it, and it sounds like this guy does to. I adore saturday mornings, thrift shops, flea markets and the like-I consider it an adventure. and since I (and he) only buy things I know about and know how to fix, in my case its a case of having a job that is also a passion.

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 16:46
      Hi Anna,

      Work is work. I’m definitely not escaping work by buying/selling on craigslist. However, there are some benefits. I set my own hours and can make as much or as little as I would like, depending on how much time I’m willing to put in each week. It can be a little dirty at times, buying a used stainless wall oven that needs a little cleaning for $100. But when it’s resold for what it’s worth for $350, I got my hands dirty, got a workout cleaning it up a little and then made $250 on it. Someone got a nice wall oven for less than half price that looked like it was new and I made good money. I have hundreds of stories like this.

      I enjoy working with and being around people. I don’t like working in an office each day. Everyone’s different. I love what I do.

      @Frugal texas gal—I’ve been going to garage sales with my mom since I was little. That’s kind of how this all started. I can’t stand overpaying for anything, and I’m very competitive. That’s helped a lot! 🙂

  18. Will says 17 August 2011 at 06:38

    This is a neat idea. I have done plenty of buying and selling on eBay and Craigslist myself over the years and I will say that it is a lot of hard and tedious work.

    Taking pictures, fielding e-mails and phone calls, posting/updating/removing listings, etc. are just part of the work. People forget about the driving, shipping, packaging, etc.

    I’ve made a lot of money doing it and it did help me pay off a good bit of debt, but it really is nearly a second full time job so anyone interested should really keep that in mind.

  19. Katie says 17 August 2011 at 06:39

    Heh, in my industry, arbitrage gets people tossed into federal prison. It’s a funny mental shift to see it discussed as a good thing.

    That said, this is the kind of thing that can make someone a living, sure, but isn’t really what I’d want my life to be. If you have a choice (and I know that not everyone does), isn’t it nicer to put your time and effort into jobs that add something to society?

    • Matt says 17 August 2011 at 06:55

      This is the 2nd comment mentioning arbitrage as having “no value to society.” I think there are two sides to that: if it’s simply what JD referenced in terms of immediately reselling in the same forum, perhaps it doesn’t have value. However, in many cases it serves the function of getting things from those who have them to those who want/need them – in which case it offers at least as much value as many other jobs.

      • Katie says 17 August 2011 at 07:01

        This is only true if the people who need them wouldn’t have gotten them without the middle man. Sometimes that’s entirely valid, but in the case of buying something on Craigslist and then reselling it on Craigslist, I’m not sure I see how. I think a different argument can be made for people who, say, scour used books stores for underpriced, valuable books and then sell them on-line for much more – they’re getting books into the hands of the people who value that particular book but may not be local; not just whoever wanders into a given used book store. But presumably the people who pay for a washing machine could have gotten it for free if our arbitrager hadn’t snapped it up first.

        I mean, I’m not saying it’s evil or anything; I just don’t see the value added.

        • Des says 17 August 2011 at 09:09

          That is true – but when I am in the market for an appliance I keep my eye on the appliance section of CL – not the free section. In fact, I would just assume that any appliance in the free section wouldn’t be worth my time. Also, free listing don’t usually have pictures, and I wouldn’t respond to an ad without pictures. My time is valuable, and CL is full of flakes. If this person is willing to take the time to pick up the item from the free ad, verify it works, and post a new ad with a pic then he is providing a useful service.

    • chacha1 says 17 August 2011 at 10:17

      Arbitrage just means taking advantage of a price differential. At its simplest, it means buy low and sell high. That’s what EVERYONE tries to do in a capitalist economy.

      There’s no “good” or “bad” about it except in the relatively rare cases where people are intentionally breaking laws to do it (e.g. insider trading).

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 17:02
      Here’s a few thoughts on the value it adds.

      1. Very quick sale for the seller, which is their point.
      2. Personally, I primarily deal in appliances, partially because it’s easiest to offer a needed service, delivery/installation/haul away of the appliances. If you don’t have a truck/trailer then it’s a potentially expensive headache to pick up or find someone that will deliver the appliance.
      3. Good products at an excellent price, cleaned up and sometimes delivered. I do well and get repeat business because I really try to help the people I sell to.

      I’m also buy items specifically for people, kind of like an agent. They tell me what they want and I will find the nicest, best deal for them, pick it up and deliver it. That’s a valuable service to some people, as craigslist can be a little crazy sometimes.

    • Garrett says 17 August 2011 at 17:22

      I’d also like to address your “no value to society” comment.

      Let’s say A wants to get rid of a washer that holds to value to him, so A posts it on CL for free. B then removes the washer for him, since the washer holds more value for B than for A. A is happy because the washer is gone and B is happy because he thinks he can resell it for profit. B reposts said washer on CL for $100 and it is seen by C, who is in need of an affordable washer. C decides that he values the washer more than the $100 cash in his pocket and buys the washer from B. B is happy because he made a quick $100 and C is happy with his new washer. The result is 3 happy and satisfied people.

      You assert that this situation is worse for society than is the situation where A sells directly to C for $100, in which only 2 people are happy and satisfied.

      I say that both are good for society, and if anything the first situation is better since it makes 3 people happy instead of 2.

      • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 17:45
        Well said. You guys have better answers than I do 🙂 This is a pretty cool little community.
      • Angelo says 20 January 2012 at 23:56

        “You assert that this situation is worse for society than is the situation where A sells directly to C for $100, in which only 2 people are happy and satisfied.

        I say that both are good for society, and if anything the first situation is better since it makes 3 people happy instead of 2.”

        Interesting. However I think the original statement was benefit to society via adding value. With the direct sale of A to C, B is free to do something that adds more value for society–which was stated in the original post. (“isn’t it nicer to put your time and effort into jobs that add something to society”)

        But this doesn’t apply to Ryan specifically because he is adding value to the transaction (beyond just his own happiness)–he cleans, transports, etc.

  20. JT says 17 August 2011 at 06:48

    Let us hope that no IRS agents read your blog. I somehow suspect that Ryan does not calculate his cost basis and report his profits.

    • J.D. says 17 August 2011 at 08:25

      Just because you suspect it doesn’t make it so. We asked Ryan about this on Saturday, and he says he documents every purchase and sale.

    • SupportingParents says 17 August 2011 at 14:13

      JT, do you report every item you buy online and pay taxes on them? If not, you are breaking the law as well.

      It would be much more polite to pose the question that assume the answer.

    • matt says 21 August 2011 at 23:39

      also a quick tidbit from the IRS, if you’ve ever TRADED anything, including rent, lawn work or any other item, you need to pay taxes on it. That makes me a civil disobedient

  21. Frugal+Texas+Gal says 17 August 2011 at 07:00

    Anna (and ot hers) this is what I do for a career (or at least an income streeam) however I dont just go on craigslist, I also do yard sales and thrift shops (not a big ebay fan these days). Rather than being tedious, a different thing is done every day. I started doing it just to resell books but now I do ther things as well. it helps if you have some fixing up skills but sometimes-I just bought some Department 56 village pieces for fifteen dollars and resold them for thirty bucks.

  22. Frugal+Texas+Gal says 17 August 2011 at 07:02

    Ill follow up and the commends regarding value-much of the stuff I buy and fix up or resell are things that would end up in a goodwill bulk pile and MIGHT get purchaed or used or recycled (some of the good books I buy that others dont know are good). Once I resell them, they have a home and dont go into the landfill. I figure thats at least as much value towards society as lots of other jobs.

    • Matt says 17 August 2011 at 07:11

      I think if you’re FIXING something as opposed to reselling it there’s an entirely different story going on (and it’s not arbitrage). In that case, you’re exchanging your expertise in fixing something for increased value of that thing.

      • Frugal+Texas+Gal says 17 August 2011 at 07:42

        Im certainly not fixing everything. I buy or take free books and resell them on amazon (as do most amazon used sellers). I buy things from yard sales and thrift shops and resell them. I have never taken a freecycle thing and resold it, that I can recall. In this day and age, people getting rid of stuff can easily find the value if they want to. Most folks simply want it gone-and thats fine. But what I do with it after that……

  23. Don says 17 August 2011 at 07:03

    I’d love to hear more about Ryan’s methods! I don’t know if I could make a living doing this, but might be nice to supplement my income a little bit!

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 17:15
      Hi Don, That will be my goal in writing the upcoming article. It’s best to start part-time anyway. It only takes a few items a month to increase your income a nice amount. I encourage people to start with something they know. Maybe it’s tools, maybe it’s small engine’s, furniture, computers, appliances etc. Hobby turned into a little extra cash. For the person that knows cars…could be a lot of money.
  24. Erin @ SavingIndy.com says 17 August 2011 at 07:07

    I flip furniture on Craigslist too! I love that you posted about this 🙂 I just found a coffee table on the side of the road, refinished it and sold it on Craigslist for $140! Can’t beat that!! – Erin

  25. Adrienne says 17 August 2011 at 07:09

    My favorite form of Arbitrage was using 0% credit card transfers and high interest savings accounts. The rates are so low right now it doesn’t seem worth it to me but a few years ago I made several thousand $ and all I had to do was some on-line payments.

    I love craigslist and I often use it for high cost items but it seems like it would be a lot of work (just in driving all over town) to make $. I have accidentally made $ from craigslist – bought a couch – used for 3 yrs – sold for more $. If you buy low enough you get to use for free.

  26. Erin @ SavingIndy.com says 17 August 2011 at 07:13

    I sometimes refinish furniture and re-sell it on craigslist. I just got a free coffee table, refinished it and sold it for $140! Not a bad deal 🙂

  27. Mike Moyer says 17 August 2011 at 07:25

    I have actually done this in my life. For about 5 months when I was in college, I would actually buy and sell motorcycles for 1k to 2k profit. I became really good and knowing exactly how much each type would sell for.

    I use the same technique for buying luxury items, or just saving money in general. For example when I moved, I didn’t want to pay the truck rental fee + gas + trailer to dolly my car. So, I bought a small trailer for my car for $800 dollars. I moved and even kept it 2 years because it was so nice to have, and then sold it for $900. I was essentially paid $100 dollars to move instead of paying the 400-500 for a truck rental.

    One more example (I have plenty of others). I’m now living in NYC in a studio apartment. My wife and I wanted bikes but a full size bike would not fit in our closet. So, I researched folding bikes but they cost around $800 each- definitely a luxury item. I waited about two months before I found someone selling two brand new ones for $425 each. I went with cash and now we have really nice bikes that fold up and fit in our closet. I could sell them now and make about $500 dollars profit, or use them for a while knowing I’ll always at least get our money back.

  28. Simon says 17 August 2011 at 07:27

    Hey,

    I did the same in Ireland for a while. I would buy bicycles for 30 or 40 euros on gumtree ( our local CL), spend 10 minutes to clean them and tighten the brakes, and then sell them for 100 euros.
    I was working part time and had no money to invest, so I just bought one bikes, sold it, spend the money in 2 bikes, sold them, bought more bikes, and so on. After a few months I got a full time job, and my 40 initial euros had become 2000, plus 1 very good bike for myself and another one for my girlfriend, and a set of skills in bike mechanics that will always be useful.
    A life changing experience I must say. it completly changed my relation with money and work.
    I agree with what has been said in the comments: one needs to buy things ones knows about and be very fast!

  29. jennypenny says 17 August 2011 at 07:43

    I’m not sure I understand the objections to reselling things that were obtained for less or free. Isn’t that what antique dealers and flea market people and pawn shop owners have been doing for decades? I don’t get why it’s not ok just because it’s online now.

  30. Tyler Karaszewski says 17 August 2011 at 08:06

    This is basically how people get rich on wall street as well, except you use stocks instead of refrigerators.

    It’s a pretty effective way for a small number of people to get rich without actually creating anything of value.

    • Kevin says 17 August 2011 at 10:11

      Again, you’re buying from people who want to sell and selling to people who want to buy. How is that not a service?

      • Tyler Karaszewski says 17 August 2011 at 10:13

        You have to *within seconds* to prevent these people from finding each other on their own. If you didn’t offer this “service”what would be different except that the eventual buyers would have more money in their pockets and you would have less?

        • Tyler Karaszewski says 17 August 2011 at 10:14

          …have to *react* within seconds…

        • Early+Retirement+Extreme says 17 August 2011 at 11:43

          Arbitrage creates more stable and consistent pricing. Without arbitrage some people would get better deals, but other people would get worse deals (relative to the better deals) and consequently everybody would spend a lot more time hunting for good deals.

          With the arbitrager in place, all prices would be similar and so nobody would need to spend 5 minutes looking through the listings for good deals.

          You need to compare to sum total of this lost time for everybody (say 5 minutes times 50 people) to the money the arbitrager makes (say $50).

        • Tyler Karaszewski says 17 August 2011 at 17:31

          This argument is weak.

          You’re saying the value provided by the arbitrager is that he causes a list of items for sale to look like this:

          1) Used iPhone 4: $150
          2) Used iPhone 4: $150
          3) Used iPhone 4: $150
          4) Used iPhone 4: $150
          5) Used iPhone 4: $150
          6) Used iPhone 4: $150
          7) Used iPhone 4: $150

          Instead of looking like this:

          1) Used iPhone 4: $150
          2) Used iPhone 4: $120
          3) Used iPhone 4: $135
          4) Used iPhone 4: $99
          5) Used iPhone 4: $115
          6) Used iPhone 4: $75
          7) Used iPhone 4: $140

          (and of course, the arbitrager pockets the differences)

          This implication is that this saves people tons of time because they wont bother looking for the cheap deals since the arbitrager has eliminated them all. This is not demonstrably true. Even if it were, the people who don’t mind paying $150 for a used iPhone 4 can just buy the first one listed, maybe they get a good deal, maybe they don’t, but they don’t invest any time in looking for deals. Time investment searching for a good deal is absolutely not a requirement for all people browsing craigslist or ebay.

          Consistently high pricing is not a “service” being offered for the benefit of consumers.

    • chacha1 says 17 August 2011 at 10:27

      I think the “value” argument with regard to capital markets is that capital transactions (that is, second and third parties buying and selling bits of a company’s capitalization) foster investment in other economic sectors.

      The rationale being that people take their stock-market profits and plow them into their own businesses, into venture capital, into real estate, and sometimes even into philanthropy.

      And in fact many successful capital investors do exactly that. The first party, meanwhile, by selling off bits of its capitalization (stock) garners crucial operating funds.

      It’s not my field, but I’m pretty sure if the existing U.S. auto manufacturers were privately-held companies, they all would have been out of business long ago.

      Investors putting in money in exchange for a share of corporate profits is a very, very old practice and there’s not much evidence that it’s a bad thing for societies.

      We have to remember that the general public really only sees the bad news.

  31. kailey says 17 August 2011 at 08:33

    I would be interested in knowing how he picks up all these appliances, what kind of transporation he uses to pick up and deliver, and of course, where he stores the appliances. What is the turn around time from purchase of a washer to selling a washer on CL?

    • Ryan says 17 August 2011 at 17:29
      Toyota Sienna pulling a trailer. I store them in my garage and every once in a while under a covered area in my backyard. The average time from purchase to sale is less than a day. Sometimes it can take longer if inventory is way up or certain items that have a more narrow appeal (Adult Diapers etc) 🙂

      I’ll go into more detail in the post. Thanks for the question!

  32. Sharon says 17 August 2011 at 08:38

    We’ve always been consumers of thrift store, garage sale, craigslist type junk (BTW-today is National Thrift Store day – so I heard on the radio). One man’s junk is another man’s treasure, the saying goes. If it provides an income for someone else – so be it. No one is holding a gun to their head to make them buy it. For some of us – finding that treasure is a hobby! I just need to turn my hobby around and start selling more! I’d be interested in hearing more.

  33. J.D. says 17 August 2011 at 08:42

    I should have mentioned this in the post! On a related note: One of my cousins used to support her family by buying the contents of abandoned storage units. They’d buy this stuff at auction, sort through it, and then resell it. (Don’t recall how they resold it. Did they have a store? Frequent garage sales? Some other method?)

    • Becka says 17 August 2011 at 09:23

      The show Auction Hunters is about a pair who do this. It’s… weird, sometimes.

      • Claudia says 17 August 2011 at 10:44

        I agree. This practice gives me shivers. My mother’s parents had some of their things sold out from under them during a move decades ago, which is why we have so few photos of my mom as a child. Sad.

        • Andreas says 17 August 2011 at 13:14

          Sad to hear you lost your pictures. But, people that buy estate stuff provides a valuable service.

          My wife’s aunt passed away some time ago, and her (nonpersonal) stuff sits in a rented storage shed far away. I’d love for somone to offer us a some money to take if off our hands and move it out of the storage shed for us.

          –Andreas

  34. Paul says 17 August 2011 at 08:47

    I’ve used CL for buying and selling many times over the years. I typically sell stuff for cheap just so I can spend the least amount of time on it as possible, because the emails, phone calls, and no-shows can eat up a lot of time.

    Also, now with the wife and kid around, I don’t like the idea of random people coming over to my house. I once had a crew of 3 guys come to pick up a nearly-free TV, but when they got here, it occured to me that it’s not the safest thing to be doing when baby is napping upstairs.

  35. Heather says 17 August 2011 at 09:46
    I am a creep magnet. About half of the things I’ve sold on Craigslist have somehow involved a potential buyer who had … issues. Like the guy who wanted to make kosher beef Sloppy Joes (in my vegetarian home) for his rabbi who was going to come with him (to my house???) to pick up the George Foreman Grill and have it blessed just in case non-kosher foods had been cooked on it … Or the guy who emailed me literally 50 times after he didn’t meet me at the place we were supposed to meet (he was inside shopping while I waited outside and he was angry that I didn’t walk around inside looking for him) telling me where I should go and meet him (many miles from where we had originally planned) and how he’d still buy it for 50% less since I was wasting his time.

    I can’t imagine dealing with these wackadoos full time. At least as a teacher, I’m with the same wackadoos every day and can figure them out and learn how to get along with them 😉

    J.D.’s note: Heather, I want an entire blog from you with these stories. They’re hilarious! A few of my Craigslist experiences have also been…odd. Then there’s the “jar man”, who is famous among the canners in Porltand, and for good reason. Kris and her friend actually go see him once or twice a year now, but they budget an entire day for it.

  36. retirebyforty says 17 August 2011 at 10:19

    That’s great! I’ve buy and sold on CL and didn’t think about making it a business. The buyers are so flaky.

  37. Jennifer says 17 August 2011 at 10:44

    One of my friends does this with books (his specialty). He buys them on half.com, and then resells them on eBay — or is it the other way around? He said that one end usually has more motivated sellers, and the other tends to overpay. He can’t make a full-time living from it, but when he was without a job, it helped.

  38. Sara says 17 August 2011 at 10:51
    Here’s a general question on the subject, maybe fellow GRS readers can help me out with. One of my hobbies is entering online sweepstakes. I generally win a LOT of beauty products. Some products I use to supplement my beauty habit, but some I want to sell. I have been using eBay but it’s hit or miss and the margin is really low. I’m talking about selling items that have a retail value between $25 and $50. I realize I should probably work on my eBay skills, but is there a better place to sell these? Maybe CL?
    • Megan E. says 17 August 2011 at 12:08

      You could try CL – but people are usually more wary about stuff like that.

      You could also donate it to your local women’s shelter or school…I know it doesn’t make money on the front end, but if you qualify for itemized deductions on your taxes, you can use the amount of the goods as charity…

      • Paul in cAshburn says 19 August 2011 at 15:07

        This doesn’t pass the sniff test.
        If you did not pay anything for a item, and you give it away, I don’t think a tax deduction is allowed. You can only deduct the the lesser of the amount you paid for an item, or the resale value if the item is used or in depreciated condition. If you have zero cost basis for an item, deducting any amount higher than zero is cheating your fellow taxpayers.
        Here’s an example: A business buys 100 of an item for $5 each, and sells all but two. They donate the remaining two to charity, and take a $10 deduction (based on their purchase cost). Then, the charity runs a sweepstakes and gives the two items away. The person who got them for free cannot then give them away and deduct the $10 again, right? Otherwise, the same item could end up being deducted multiple times and the taxpayers are losing every time the item is deducted.

    • lawyerette says 17 August 2011 at 13:39

      I’d swap them on Makeupalley.com in exchange for gift cards.

    • Sara says 18 August 2011 at 15:17

      Just wanted to say thanks! I do usually donate the cheaper items I win – say, if it’s a lipstick that you can get at CVS for $4 on sale, it’s not worth my time to sell!

      I had never heard of MakeupAlley before, but the site looks awesome! Not a lot of money to be made, but maybe can get some more useful stuff. Sometimes I’ll get a special styling product for curly hair (which I DON’T have), or something like that – it’s a great idea to swap them!

  39. Danielle says 17 August 2011 at 10:53

    Where would we be without the spirit of entrepreneurship? A little creativity goes a long way!

  40. Alan S says 17 August 2011 at 11:24

    I definitely want to see either a guest post or a Q&A!

  41. Susan says 17 August 2011 at 11:50

    I give a lot away, like my really nice washer & dryer. I don’t know, only when I am really desperate and that will have to be pretty desperate to receive something for free and then make a profit on a resell, but each to his/her own.

  42. Kevin M says 17 August 2011 at 11:56

    I’d like to see a guest post from Ryan as well. Sounds like an interesting story.

  43. Jonathan P says 17 August 2011 at 12:12

    I found this blog post to be really interesting since I’ve never seen the topic discussed in the realm of personal finance. I’ve been buying and selling items for years on Ebay and Craigslist and its always an interesting and profitable experience if done intelligently.

    Being a user of Craigslist and ebay through out my college career I really found some opportunities which I still use today to make some side cash. Living in a college town certain things happen every year during certain times (semesters end / semesters being). Students often live in apartment complexes / housing in certain areas around those respected universities. If you can find out exactly when semesters begin / end and when the large rental companies begin and end their usual leases with college tenants you can really find a ton of free appliances, text books, electronics, art, ect.

    These students typically move out and don’t have the car space to transport all these large items and they just throw them away. I’ve literally made thousands over the years using these strategies. Find items for low prices (free) and unload them on Ebay and Craigslist for nothing but profit. Cheers!

  44. krantcents says 17 August 2011 at 13:04

    My niece has acquired many things free from Craigslist. She renovated a house, she sells some of the things online and donates (tax deduction) some items. She does not do very much because she has a full time job. She takes advantage of it very well.

  45. Marcus says 17 August 2011 at 13:07

    I have bought and sold quite a bit on CL and have done quite well at getting good deals for myself and friends.

    One thing I am just now getting into is buying broken stuff on there that I know how to fix and then doing the work and selling it. For example, buying a car with a blown engine, dropping a junk yard engine in and selling for 2k profit. Once again, stay with what you know and you can make out pretty well, and there are less people out there trying to fix broken stuff than is trying to just straight resale good deals.

  46. Andreas says 17 August 2011 at 13:18

    One thing about appliances on Craiglist — with all the foreclosures (I’m in AZ), a lot of the appliances are taken from homes right before foreclosure. Although technically not stealing from the bank, it’s questionable ethically to sell appliances out of the home right before a foreclosure, especially built-in ones. I’ve even heard of people selling the front door, light fixtures, toilets, windows, etc.

    I just bought and moved into a previously foreclosed home, and the built-in microwave was missing. I picked up another built-in microwave ($200 for what would have cost me $800 new) from someone on CL that took it from a foreclosed home.

    I guess what comes around goes around for the bank …

  47. Nancy says 17 August 2011 at 15:10

    IMHO, I don’t like the practice of arbitrage on Craigslist. To me, it feels like the person is ripping off the seller and buyer market for what the product is worth and turning over the profit. Someone who could really use that free couch won’t be able to without a marked up price tag. Personally, I don’t believe this is a very moral or ethical way of making money.

    I have nothing against flea markets, vintage shops, pawn shops, etc because they provide a service – they collect inventory from all over the place and hold it in stock for convenience of buyers. Resellers on Craigslist swipe deals from someone who may need it.

    Also, there may be some shady resellers on Craiglist looking to rip of the sellers. I once had a listing to sell some DVDs for $5 each. Very quickly after I had an interested buyer practically demand that I sell each of them for $1 for non-shrink wrap and $3 for shrink wrap for his ‘collection’. The DVDs retail for at LEAST 10 each! He was so rude and abrasive that I ignored his e-mail. I can’t prove that he was a reseller, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some resellers engage in these shady practices.

    Next time I sell something, I’ll be sure to wait several hours before responding to a buyer and be more skeptical about low-ballers.

    Also, because of arbitrage and the sheer amount of scammy posts, I find Craigslist useless to find deals. I’d much rather use eBay to score a deal than to filter through crap.

  48. Mick says 17 August 2011 at 15:43

    My friend and I had a competition on WOW. We both started with 500 gold and competed to see who could make the most profit. I ended up with roughly 25k and he crushed me with 50k.

    I never knew dust could be worth so much…

  49. Angela May says 17 August 2011 at 16:21

    I’m kind of surprised I’m the first to mention this in this thread but, JD, have you read Cory Doctorow’s book “For The Win”?

    http://craphound.com/ftw/

    It’s a science fiction book that revolves around MMORPG economies and also talks about in-game arbitrage 🙂 It’s a really good book, based on this post I think you’d like it.

  50. question question says 17 August 2011 at 17:00

    This whole story sounds like more work than a regular job.

    Plus on a regular job I get benefits like a salary health insurance, paid vacation, 401k match, life and disability insurance, plus enhancing my technical skills. How do get all of these selling stuff on CL or Ebay?

    • Mark says 18 August 2011 at 05:27

      In reply to Question question,

      Well, that’s pretty much it right there. You don’t get any benefits, and it’s usually a hell of a lot more work than the office job. Your takeaway probably isnt going to be significantly more than a decent job.

      What you do get is the ultimate in freedom. No one to answer to but yourself. Don’t even need to keep a storefront or business running. Wake up whenever you please. No employees to deal with, just short interactions with usually satisfied customers. The ability to blow off work any time for as long as you want whenever you feel, or the ability to really hit the grindstone for a while to make some extra cash.

      So yeah, it’s got it’s advantages too. It’s not a get rich quick scheme though. People are impressed by it because it seems so easy on the surface, but actually making a full time living doing it is another matter entirely.

      • Ryan says 18 August 2011 at 10:02

        It’s definitely not an escape from work. It’s hard work. I get a good workout from moving huge appliances around. I’m big on appliances because of the high demand and good return. However, if someone wants to work less, smaller items are the way to go. Electronics, computers, monitors, phones, tablets, jewelry etc

        If you cut your expenses down to an absolute minimum, you can have two really good days and take the rest of the week off, no problem. I haven’t been doing that yet as I’m paying off our debt, saving for our trip out to the Big Island and a few other things.

        It’s not a get rich quick scheme. Depending on your ability to spot a deal, some will have an easier time than others. However, if you keep putting your time and continue to become more knowledgeable, there is a lot of money to be made, especially in big cities where the pool of items on craigslist is huge.

  51. T.W. says 17 August 2011 at 17:09

    Would LOVE a guest post on this!

  52. Katy+@+The+Non-Consumer+Advocate says 17 August 2011 at 23:48

    Ahh . . . I can finally put a name to one of my favorite hobbies. Buying underpriced stuff at Goodwill and then selling it on eBay and Craigslist.

    Just last week I bought a great looking Trek girl’s bike at Goodwill for $15, and then sold it within a day of listing it on craigslist for $120.

    I once bought an armload of old dolls for $3-$5 apiece, and then sold them on eBay for $200 – $1000. I also just sold a $3 jar of vintage marbles for around $500.

    And what do all these objects have in common? I just happen to know about expensive kid’s bikes, old marbles and Sasha dolls. (I had one as a kid.)

    Imagine if I knew about more stuff . . .

    Katy Wolk-Stanley
    “Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without”

    • Ryan says 18 August 2011 at 23:26

      Great story, thanks for sharing! Your going to do well. Just keep looking for niches, there are lots of them. Over time you will become more and more knowledgeable. Great job!

  53. Brian says 18 August 2011 at 07:09

    J.D. I did the same thing as you ,buying and reselling items within an MMO and did it enough to make a very good living at it before selling out to the big bad gold farmers at IGE. I had been doing a similar thing with pawn shops and Ebay starting when I was in college and it just seemed natural to apply the same ideas to the games I was playing.

    I played Final Fantasy XI for awhile. Hated the game but realized I could buy everything cheap during the day from the auction house when the US players were playing and relist much higher at night time when the Japanese players were playing where the game had been out for over a year already (so they had a ton of money to spend and high level characters to supply). I ended up turning all the ingame money into real money by setting up a website and selling in online auctions. Doing it enough that at the time I could make 400k in game money an hour (which at the time equated to $400/hr USD) so I quit my tech support job branched out to other games with similar economies and made a run of it for a couple of years before I eventually sold out.

    I know that’s a long post but hopefully it is of interest to someone. I could give more details if there is interest but I don’t want to drone on too long.

    • Josh says 18 August 2011 at 11:22

      Brian I would definitely be interested in hearing more. I used to do the same (on a much smaller scale) in EQ. Curious if you think the same opportunities still exist today or if the economies have changed to much with all the gold farmers from China/other developing countries that can afford to undercut you or be happy making much less money.

      • Brian says 19 August 2011 at 06:36

        Josh

        I think some of the same opportunities exist but they have changed with the mass rush of gold farmers. The bigger change working it’s way through is the game companies working roll that into their cash flow with the growth of free-to-play MMOs with an ingame purchase system, Diablo III (not technically an MMO) in game auction house for real money, etc. As time goes on they will try and monetize that more and more for themselves which does open up some opportunities if you can figure out the right system, basically you wouldn’t have to go somewhere else to convert your virtual items to real money you would be able to do it within the game. How that will all look once it’s shaken out I’m not entirely sure. The auctions could turn into a race for the bottom where there is no real money to be made or if done well they could function much like a real economy or Ebay where there is room for making some margin and some real money.

        I’ve only started looking into the possibilities again recently (I was under a non-compete clause for awhile). I definitely see some opportunities it will just come down to whether they are lucrative enough to justify the workload.

        I had some more I was going to expand on but cut it down for size. Lack of big profit areas due to few big time MMO launches lately on the scale of EQ, FFXI, WOW, etc., Ebay really clamping down on virtual item sales, paypal’s negative view of virtual item sales, blah blah blah

        • Josh says 19 August 2011 at 14:16

          Brian,

          Thanks for the update! I anxiously look forward to seeing how the real money auction house works out in Diablo III. With it being across the entire realm (as opposed to individual servers) I think the market will be much more efficient and harder to manipulate, but am still hoping for enough fluctuations or niches that I can find to still buy low and sell high.

          I’m hoping it works out, and can be incorporated into more MMORPG’s going forward, such as Blizzard’s “Titan” or any other major releases that might come out.

    • Bella says 18 August 2011 at 13:17

      I do not play video games – but I think this whole concept of virtual money that has a real world worth is fascinating.

  54. MutantSuperModel says 18 August 2011 at 09:09

    Pretty interesting story. I don’t see anything wrong with it. People do this all of the time. I know a girl who used to shop thrift stores for clothes and re-sell them on e-bay for big profits. People shop garage sales to resell things all of the time too. I know a guy who does this with cars but mostly he sticks to bartering on CL. It’s amazing what he’s done! It’s all the same thing if you ask me.

  55. Rachel says 18 August 2011 at 12:20

    Ha! My husband and his best bud are in this business. Sadly they don’t make enough to replace their day job, but sometimes it is about the hunt & thrill. Hubbie’s BFF goes after jeeps. He knows what to look for and that he can get something a little cheaper about an hour drive away and sell it for more in our town. Of course he doesn’t mind driving them around for a while either. Boats are a good item to flip down here too… go too far inland to sell yours, and you will be selling for cheap. Then someone can relist it right on the water for profit. Takes a little more work to transport but well worth it.
    Smart phones are their best friend. Craigslist apps that alert you when something new has been listed in a category can be a blessing. They even had a friend that got out of bed one night to go after a Camero listing that posted after midnight! The first to nab the listing is really the key 🙂

  56. Jen @ Master the Art of Saving says 18 August 2011 at 22:21

    I never really thought about buyings stuff and then turning around and selling it right back on Craigslist. That sounds like an interesting way to earn extra money and possibly a good guest post. 🙂

  57. Sarah L says 19 August 2011 at 09:55

    I wrote a guest post about a similar topic on Budgets are Sexy. I essentially go thrifting and re-sell clothing I found on eBay. It’s fun and pretty easy to make some extra money. Here’s the link:
    http://www.budgetsaresexy.com/2011/05/side-hustle-series-im-a-high-fashion-ebay-reseller/

  58. Sandy - yesiamcheap says 19 August 2011 at 13:49

    My brother made his living selling on Craigslist for about 3 years. It can be done. All of the people talking about Craigslist being low brow and how hard it is to sell have no clue what they’re talking about. It all depends on what you’re selling, how good you are at ad copy, how flexible you are photos, and of course, being in a city large enough to have a large pool of buyers.

    I did it myself for about 4 months until I ran out of inventory. Don’t look down on it until you’ve tried it…or better yet, don’t try it. Leave it to me.

  59. mrthrifter says 19 August 2011 at 20:12

    Excellent post! I’ve been doing this for years as well. It is definitely a lot of work, but sometimes it pays off big. I don’t usually use Craigslist arbitrage, but a combination of buying on craigslist and selling on ebay.
    People don’t want to go through the hassle of listing on ebay, so they put their stuff on craigslist for cheaper. Buy low, sell high.
    But the thrill of the hunt is worth more than the profits, in my opinion.

  60. Surio says 20 August 2011 at 06:07

    Hello J.D,
    Disclaimer: I am a long time follower of Jacob’s website and was already following much of that philosophy before discovering his blog on the Net.

    Having said all that, I don’t have much to comment on the craigslist (geographic irrelevance for me) subject you explain in this post, but I wanted to chip in with my thoughts on this (probably throwaway) comment you made:

    > But when it comes down to it, Jacob’s
    > focus is frugality and mine is
    > increased earning.

    While your approach ‘might’ sound appealing at first reading, it is Jacob’s approach that will likely hold one in good stead in the longer run — under present World conditions/scenario.
    With all the uncertainty around the direction our planet is heading towards (resource crunch, overpopulation, dissent, environment degradation…), the chances of First World continuing to be so and II/III world aiming to become I-world is appearing more far-fetched than ever. Statistics bear these facts out, so a debate on this is besides the point.

    In such a scenario, setting yourself up for a hopeful, yet largely bound-to-be-unsuccessful, “increasing your earning somehow” treadmill is a sure fire recipe for heartbreak, don’t you think? OTOH, aiming to “mend and make do” so your own life is “aprovechar” is something *everybody* can and will be able to achieve; provided all the misplaced negativity that is presently attached to such a lifestyle is lifted away. I submit that the above principle I write (in emphasis) is in fact Randian philosophy! Except, the interpretation of ‘individual happiness’ isn’t about feeding and pandering to every irrational desire that springs from within the subconscious, but to limit the desires themselves on a very conscious plane. In other words, I am interpreting Randian philosophy from a Jungian, rather than Freudian perspective.

    This change can be easily brought about by influential bloggers such as yourself who can lead by some examples. While you dip your toes into it from time to time (I refer to your “walking everywhere” post), you consistently revert back to the consumerist lifestyle advocation (I refer to the “setting GRS on autopilot so Kris/you can travel around the World” post in this case).

    These are my observations. Hope you take them in the right spirit.

    Best,
    Surio.

  61. A A says 21 August 2011 at 16:37

    I have no objection to any of the content of the article, but the use of the term “arbitrage” entails that there is (almost) no work put into the transaction or risk taken on. If you buy something and don’t know for sure that you will be able to sell at a profit, it’s not arbitrage. If you buy something and have to fix it up or do a lot of marketing effort, it’s not arbitrage. Otherwise, we’d have to say that every retailer on the planet is an arbitrategeur, and we don’t do that. Cheers everyone!

  62. CincyCat says 22 August 2011 at 12:52

    This seems like an appropriate forum to post the following warning about posting ads in the paper to get rid of unwanted kittens for “free”.

    Research labs and universities will pay up to $25 in some areas for “stray” cats. My husband took an A&P class at university, and the lab subjects were “stray” cats.

    Think about that…

    Always, ALWAYS charge at least $25-30 for kittens. Or, at the very least, make sure you *know* the person to whom you are giving it away for free.

    • CincyCat says 22 August 2011 at 13:12

      I almost forgot to add, if possible, trap-neuter-release stray cats in your area. Most vets or area pet clinics will neuter/spay stray cats for very low cost.

      In my case, a stray cat got trapped in my garage & gave birth to 4 kittens. I sold one for $25 to a person at my office who I did not know, and gave one away to a good friend. The other two kittens have become BFFs to their little humans (my daughters).

      Momma kitty (feral) was trapped, spayed & released back into our backyard.

      🙂

  63. Seth @ Boy Meets Food says 09 September 2011 at 12:35

    I enjoyed your WoW analogy. I did the exact same thing when I played. I spent a good amount of time doing auction house arbitrage.

  64. other things says 20 January 2012 at 13:07

    114Andrea says:
    18 August 2011 at 9:26 am
    snip:
    I have given some good quality glassware/porcelain/pottery to a particular thrift shop which is run only by volunteers and divides all proceeds among several local charities.

    This made me laugh until I teared up. I’ll bet you think those volunteers work there out of the goodness of their hearts. In my experience, it’s to get first crack at the “good stuff” that is donated (note they also probably have a hand in pricing it). This is EXTREMELY common practice at “charity” thift stores, in fact the volunteers will call each other and let them know when something comes in that someone who isn’t working that day is looking for or usually buys up.

    And, where the thrift store has a rule against volunteers buying until it’s been on the shelf a few days, I have known those who price the items for practically nothing then hold them behind the counter until their friend comes in to buy later in the afternoon (after a phone call). It’s theft, plain and simple, but it is done *everywhere*.

    It’s unclear to me why some of the posters here think that the arbitragers (as opposed to the thrift store volunteers, who are clearly stealing) are doing something wrong or unethical. Arbitragers provide a valuable service. They move items from a place where they are not valued (as evidenced by the fact that the poster has advertised them for free or less than market value) to a place where they are valued (as evidenced by the payment of currency).

    Why begrude the value provider for earning a profit? I never see this attitude anywhere but in people who work for a paycheck (or don’t work at all). If your employer said to you, “I’m not going to pay you, ever again, but of course I expect you to continue to come to work everyday” you would laugh until your sides hurt. But everyday, I see people (including politicians and economists, who should know better) suggesting that people who work for themselves should work for no profit. To translate for those of you who leach off an employer, “no profit” means I work (and risk my capital investment) for free. That’s ridiculous.

    There is nothing unethical about making a profit by selling or reselling things, because if there was, charity thrift stores could not exist. (and no, I’m not a reseller of anything, I sell my skills and knowledge, which nearly everyone thinks I should give them for free).

    When arbitragers stop working, poorer people don’t get the benefit. If they did, communism would be a working economic system, and black markets would never exist. When arbitragers stop working, the market seizes up. There aren’t “more” or “better” items available. The good stuff becomes unbelievably expensive luxuries, if it can ever be found. Most items seemingly disappear from the market (known pejoratively, and inaccurately, as hoarding). Black markets develop.

    Also, why is someone who can’t afford to pay more “deserving” than someone who is making a living buying things cheap and selling them higher? You are valuing a non-working member of society over a working one, which seems odd to me. At the very least you are making a value judgement that a single working mother with a sob story is more “deserving” than a person working to put food on his table with honest capitalism (which is more deserving is a matter of opinion, but pretending to yourself that you aren’t valuing the sob story over the working man is disingenuous at best).

    Anyway, how do you know that “poor working mother” isn’t scamming you, turning around and selling the free washer? Just because she has a sob story doesn’t mean it’s true. I have a relative who decided he didn’t want to pay for xmas presents one year. So he went around to all the churches and told them his sob story, how his kids were going to have to go without xmas, etc. (Did I mention that he lived rent free in our duplex?) His family had a MUCH nicer xmas than my children did that year. The churches even provided a live, decorated tree, and xmas dinner. His children all got bikes, among many other gifts. My point here is that many of the sob stories are bullshit, and it is highly unlikely that your bullshit meter works better than the church charity system (which by the way, is an arbitrage system, too).

    And if you don’t need it and have decided it has no value (as evidenced by you giving it away for free or next to nothing) then why do you care who uses it next or how it is used? Once it leaves your home (“it” not being a living being like a dog) what happens next is irrelevant.

    All that said, where the arbitrager lies about his intentions when posting, or if asked, that is actionable (and probably criminal) fraud. And where a poster wants to give to a “deserving” person, that should be honored. However, I again say I see no reason that a reseller working to put food on the table is less “deserving” than some sob story.

  65. Jenn says 20 November 2012 at 00:15

    Hey, When I first moved to my metropolitan area, I found myself in an apartment complex that seemed to catch all the newbies to the area…probably because they offered 6 month leases. You wouldn’t believe me if I told you some of the free things I picked up on the side of the dumpster. One guy even helped me put a really nice girls’ bicycle in my car…his daughter had outgrown it, and my daughter needed one that size. Wrought iron bakers’ rack, lamps, paintings, I even got my Sunday coupons for free – in multiple quantities!
    Now that I’m thinking about that place, I think I ought to go back there and dumpster shop regularly! The best part was, nobody else seemed interested so I had no competition. They must have all been worried about how it would make them look. Or they were all very weathy, but I doubt it. Thankfully, I don’t care about stuff like that. And on the plus side, it made the trek to take out the garbage something to look forward to!

  66. Duane says 14 June 2013 at 15:48

    I just would like to know is he doing mail orders or hand to hand exchanges. Or is there some kind of “resale” option on craigslist ?

  67. Kathy says 01 September 2013 at 08:24

    Freecycle’s goal is to keep usable items out of the nation’s landfills. So many people though seem to confuse it with a charitable organization, a way to help people. No doubt many people on Freecycle are on close budgets and very appreciative of the things they receive…but you will never know for sure. If you give anything to anyone–a birthday present to your boss, a used appliance to someone through Freecycle–you lose control of the item, it belongs to the other person to do with what they will. That’s not just my personal philosophy, it is a fact. People who don’t want their things going to resellers shouldn’t offer their things on Freecycle, Craig’s list or anywhere, really, because they will have no say in what the recipient does with the item–and that includes donating to Goodwill. Thrift stores toss out many items before they ever reach the sales floor.

  68. debra says 23 February 2014 at 21:23

    Please tell me what is wrong with someone trying to make a living by obtaining free items or low priced items and raising the price and reselling, they are trying to make a living, they are trying to stay off welfare, they are trying to stay off food stamps, yet the comments on here make it sound like they are criminals. goodwill resells their items and no they do not employee only disabled workers like they used too, in fact they sell on ebay and they have bulk sales hoping resellers will come buy the stuff because they dont want to mess with everything they receive. are you saying it is ok for goodwill, salvation army to resell, walmart to resell, everyone resells, whats wrong with an individual reselling. and how do you know the people in need that you want to give your stuff to are not just lazy and dont want a job, (there are way more of them out there than there are people who actually need or people trying to obtain merchandise and resell it) I flip merchandise myself. I will not take a dime of welfare or any handouts whatsoever. I do not lie and say I am needy in order to get your stuff so I dont see why it matters that i try to support myself with it.

  69. Austin says 25 March 2015 at 06:31

    The most efficient and smart way to approach this would be to immediately contact the seller, lock in the bargain price, and offer to pick up the item the next day. As soon as you have that deal locked in, you could market the item on another site at the higher price, and if you can get a buyer, you follow through with your original deal. You might follow through anyway if the deal is really good enough.

    That’s similar to how arbitrage works with stock trading using option contracts or mergers & acquisitions. Except with online resale it’s free (no transaction fees), less risky (no skin in the game until the first deal goes through), and not subject to insider trading regulations. 😉

    It may seem like a terrible thing to do, but if your second deal doesn’t go through, you just politely cancel your first deal, no harm no foul. Most sellers are fine with that.

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