{"id":54272,"date":"2010-11-18T04:00:40","date_gmt":"2010-11-18T11:00:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/getrichslowly.org\/blog\/?p=54272"},"modified":"2023-10-04T15:37:33","modified_gmt":"2023-10-04T21:37:33","slug":"getting-started-with-mint","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/getting-started-with-mint\/","title":{"rendered":"Getting started &#8211; Review of the Mint.com signup process"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On Tuesday, I wrote that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/how-to-track-your-spending-and-why-you-should\/\">I&#8217;ve decided to track my finances again.<\/a> I&#8217;m doing fine financially, but after a few months of not watching my income and expenses closely, I feel a little lost. I miss the ability to know <i>exactly<\/i> where my money&#8217;s going.<\/p>\n<p>I had intended to install the new <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/B003YJ5E0K\/?tag=grsorg-20\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">desktop version of Quicken<\/a>, which is what I&#8217;ve been using for years. (Before that, I used Andrew Tobias&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/andrewtobias.com\/managing-your-money\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Managing Your Money<\/a>, but that hasn&#8217;t been updated since 1995!) In the comments to Tuesday&#8217;s post, several readers asked why I don&#8217;t just use <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mint<\/a>. Good question. I don&#8217;t really have a good answer.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"highlight\">What is Mint?<br \/>\n<b><\/b><\/h2>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><b>Mint<\/b><\/a> is a free web-based personal finance program. Mint automagically connects with your bank accounts, your credit card accounts, and \u2014 in theory, at least \u2014 your investment accounts. Because Mint fetches data for you, there&#8217;s no tedious data entry. Mint has been around for a couple of years, but I&#8217;ve been reluctant to try it.<\/div>\n<p>I haven&#8217;t tried Mint for several reasons:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>It didn&#8217;t offer all the features I wanted, particularly the ability to track investment accounts.<\/li>\n<li>I didn&#8217;t like the revenue model. Mint makes money by pushing new financial products on users. I&#8217;ve since realized that \u2014 <i>duh!<\/i> \u2014 that&#8217;s the same way Get Rich Slowly makes money, as well as the rest of the financial web.<\/li>\n<li>I was loyal to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/entrepreneurship-advice-from-marc-hedlund-ceo-of-wesabe\/\">the folks at Wesabe<\/a>, a Mint competitor and friend to GRS. Unfortunately, Wesabe shut down earlier this year. (You can <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.precipice.org\/why-wesabe-lost-to-mint\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">read about it here<\/a>.)<\/li>\n<li>Though I fully embrace the Internet Age, I&#8217;m still wary of giving one service access to <i>all<\/i> of my accounts.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But enough GRS readers have sung the praises of Mint over the past two years that I finally decided to give it a try. Yesterday, I set up my Mint account.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><i><b>Remember:<\/b><\/i> You should <i>always<\/i> read the terms of use! I know it&#8217;s a pain, but any time you enter into a legal agreement involving your money, you should read it. This is especially true when buying a home or a car, but it&#8217;s also true when signing up for an online financial tool. If it involves your money, you should read it. Here are Mint&#8217;s terms of use.<\/div>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"getting-started\"><\/span>Getting Started<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>If you&#8217;ve signed up for any other web-based service, you know what it&#8217;s like to register for Mint. After you enter your e-mail address, your zip code, and your password, you&#8217;re ready to go.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Signing up for Mint is standard stuff.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-registration.jpg\" alt=\"Signing up for Mint is standard stuff.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Once you&#8217;ve registered, Mint prompts you to enter your financial accounts. You need just two pieces of information to connect to any account.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"You just need two pieces of information to connect to any account.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-connectone.jpg\" alt=\"You just need two pieces of information to connect to any account.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>After you supply your login info for each bank or credit card company, Mint connects to the financial institution and slurps up your recent transactions. (I was pleased when my local credit union connected without incident.)<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mint connects to the financial institution and slurps up your recent transactions.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-connecttwo.jpg\" alt=\"Mint connects to the financial institution and slurps up your recent transactions.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>As you set up your Mint account, you can also add loans, real estate (such as your home), vehicles, and &#8220;other&#8221; accounts. Other accounts include:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Cash (or debt)<\/li>\n<li>Collectibles (such as my comic-book collection)<\/li>\n<li>Jewelry<\/li>\n<li>Furniture and appliances<\/li>\n<li>And a variety of miscellaneous items<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>You can also set up e-mail and text alerts based on a variety of parameters. This feature seems <i>very<\/i> handy, especially in this age of identity theft. I keep tabs on my accounts regularly to be sure there&#8217;s no monkey business going on; Mint lets me automate that process.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mint can alert you if your account balances get too low.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-alerts.jpg\" alt=\"Mint can alert you if your account balances get too low.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Mint also allows you the option to enter demographic information (which I did),; I&#8217;m sure this leads to better-targeted advertising!<\/p>\n<p><b>You don&#8217;t have to set everything up at the start.<\/b> You can edit your accounts whenever you want by clicking &#8220;Your Accounts&#8221; at the top of any page. Good thing, too, because as I&#8217;ll share in a moment, the set-up process wasn&#8217;t without glitches.<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"using-mint\"><\/span>Using Mint<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>You make your way around Mint through a handful of tabs at the top of each page. These include the following.<\/p>\n<h3>Overview<\/h3>\n<p>The Overview section gives you a Big Picture view of your finances, including account balances and alerts. It&#8217;s meant to be your home base in Mint.<\/p>\n<h3>Transactions<\/h3>\n<p>In the Transactions tab, you have access to a day-by-day list of your income and expenses. It&#8217;s here that you can view and edit each of your purchases (and deposits). Mint automatically assigns a category to each transaction. It does a fairly good job of guessing, but it&#8217;s not perfect. Fortunately, it seems easy to make changes.<\/p>\n<p>For example, here I&#8217;m telling Mint that the bill from Qwest isn&#8217;t for a home phone (because we don&#8217;t have one), but for our internet service.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"If Mint mis-categorizes something, you can fix it.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-transactions.jpg\" alt=\"If Mint mis-categorizes something, you can fix it.\" width=\"500\" height=\"100\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>I like that this section lets you view transactions from all accounts at once <i>or<\/i> narrow things to a single account. Handy.<\/p>\n<h3>Budgets<\/h3>\n<p>The Budgets section lets you, well, erect a budget to keep your spending focused. I haven&#8217;t had time to play around here, so I can&#8217;t comment on its utility. I&#8217;m hoping that Mint will allow me to put my beloved <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/the-balanced-money-formula\/\">Balanced Money Formula<\/a> (or some other broad budget framework) into use.<\/p>\n<h3>Goals<\/h3>\n<p>The Goals tab lets you set savings goals, and then walks you through the process of creating a realistic budget for each goal. For example, Kris and I want to go to South America in 2012 (or 2013). Here&#8217;s the start of the goal-setting process:<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The goal-setting section is awesome!\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-goals.jpg\" alt=\"The goal-setting section is awesome!\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>You can even create custom goals if the pre-packaged goals (get out of debt, buy a car, and so on) don&#8217;t meet your needs. <b>The goals section is one of my favorite features of Mint.<\/b><\/p>\n<h3>Trends<\/h3>\n<p>With the Trends tab, Mint shows you standard charts and graphs. I&#8217;m sure these will be useful in time \u2014 in fact, they&#8217;re the main reason I want to track my spending! \u2014 but at the beginning, there&#8217;s not much to see.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"A standard personal finance pie chart.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-trends.jpg\" alt=\"A standard personal finance pie chart.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>For one thing, there&#8217;s only about a month of data. For another, a lot of that data is mis-categorized. For example, Mint thinks my payments to State Farm fall in the Financial category. To me, they need to be in a separate Insurance category.<\/p>\n<p>The Trends area will become more useful as Mint accumulates more of my financial data, and as I make sure it&#8217;s categorized so that it means something to me.<\/p>\n<h3>Investments and Ways to Save<\/h3>\n<p>The final two tabs are Investments and Ways to Save. Both of these deserve a closer look.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><i><b>Gripe:<\/b><\/i> Mint pushes FreeCreditScore.com. <i>Ugh.<\/i> Look, I know the company makes its money by selling financial products, but come on. Don&#8217;t actively work against your customer&#8217;s best interests. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.annualcreditreport.com\/index.action\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AnnualCreditReport.com<\/a> is the best way to get your <i>actual<\/i> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/free-credit-report\/\">free credit <s>score<\/s> report<\/a>; FreeCreditScore.com is just a come-on for a premium product.)<\/div>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"a-bad-investment\"><\/span>A Bad Investment?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Not everything is kittens and roses with Mint. In fact, from what I can tell, the Investment feature doesn&#8217;t work at all.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mint automatically connects to your invesetment accounts.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-fidelityconnect.jpg\" alt=\"Mint automatically connects to your invesetment accounts.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/div>\n<p><b>I had real trouble connecting Mint to my Fidelity account.<\/b> I used the correct login and password, but the connection wouldn&#8217;t go through. Mint offered only a cryptic &#8220;Your bank needs you!&#8221; message without explaining what the problem was.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Or does it?\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-fidelityfail.jpg\" alt=\"Or does it?\" width=\"500\" height=\"100\"\/><\/div>\n<p>Clicking the supplied link just took me to the default Fidelity page, where there was no indication that Fidelity was aware there was a problem.<\/p>\n<p>Puzzled, I decided took a look at the Mint discussion forums. Sure enough, other folks were experiencing similar problems. In fact, there seem to be ongoing issues connecting Mint to Fidelity, and have been for months. It&#8217;s not an encouraging sign that there are no solutions to be had.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Others have similar problems. Mint just doesn't play well with Fidelity.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-fidelitywoes.jpg\" alt=\"Others have similar problems. Mint just doesn't play well with Fidelity.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/div>\n<p>I tried to brainstorm some quick fixes, but no dice. Strangely, however, when I went to the Account Settings page, the Fidelity accounts were listed. When I closed the settings page and visited the Investments page, they didn&#8217;t appear. <i>Huh?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;add investment account&#8221; tool indicated that Mint had now connected to Fidelity \u2014 but it showed <i>two<\/i> of every account: the actual account and a phantom account with a balance of zero dollars. <i>Huh?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>When I tried to bring these investment accounts into Mint, I was asked to make additional corrections. After doing so, Mint listed both the real and ghost accounts with zero balances. <i>Huh?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>None of this made sense, and there was no help to be found.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"I have no idea what's going on here.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-thissucks.jpg\" alt=\"I have no idea what's going on here.\" width=\"500\" height=\"250\"\/><\/div>\n<p>After nearly an hour of slogging through various iterations of this madness, I gave up. <b>It seems strange that Mint offers an investment &#8220;feature&#8221; when it&#8217;s not ready for prime time.<\/b> (Or even, apparently, for the late late show.)<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\">\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"how-does-mint-make-money\"><\/span>How Does Mint Make Money?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Whenever I see a free online service, the first thing I want to know is how the company makes money. Mint makes money through its recommendation engine. Mint looks at your financial habits and existing accounts, and then offers Ways to Save. If you click on this tab, you receive offers in a variety of categories from partner companies. If you sign up, Mint is paid a commission.<\/p>\n<p>This is basically the same revenue model used by personal finance blogs like Get Rich Slowly and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thesimpledollar.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Simple Dollar<\/a>, as well as big-name sites like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bankrate.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bankrate<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cardratings.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Card Ratings<\/a>. Mint takes it to a new level by comparing your existing accounts and habits to other accounts in its database. For example, here Mint shows that I could save $336 over three years if I moved checking account from my credit union to FNBO Direct.<\/p>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mint makes money by recommending new accounts.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/mint-recommends.jpg\" alt=\"Mint makes money by recommending new accounts.\" width=\"400\" height=\"200\"\/><\/div>\n<p>These recommendations are probably very useful to many Mint users, and they&#8217;re much less annoying than I feared they would be.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"the-bottom-line\"><\/span>The Bottom Line<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>After using Mint for only a few hours, I like what I&#8217;ve seen. Mostly.<\/p>\n<p>The interface is slick, and I can tell the automation is going to be nice. This will indeed let me to track my spending, and may even help prompt me to save for future goals. My big beef is that my investment accounts won&#8217;t integrate. This isn&#8217;t necessarily a deal-breaker (I don&#8217;t make a lot of stock trades), but it&#8217;s annoying. I&#8217;m used to tracking <i>all<\/i> of my financial data from within Quicken, and I&#8217;d like to do that here. Right now, I can&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll use Mint for a few months to see how things go. If I can remember, I&#8217;ll post an update on Mint during the first part of April, after I&#8217;ve used it full-time for three months. (I don&#8217;t plan to make Mint a habit until January 1st.)<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, perhaps it&#8217;s time for me to dig through the GRS archives. I&#8217;ve written before about lesser-known <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/good-bye-microsoft-money-16-powerful-personal-finance-programs\/\">personal finance programs<\/a>; maybe I should give one of them a spin in the meantime.<\/p>\n<p><b>If you&#8217;ve used Mint for months or years, I&#8217;d love to hear your impressions.<\/b> Have you managed to get the investment tab to work? (With Fidelity?) Are you pleased with the service? How would you improve it? What should a new user like me know before I get too far?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Tuesday, I wrote that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/how-to-track-your-spending-and-why-you-should\/\">I&#8217;ve decided to track my finances again.<\/a> I&#8217;m doing fine financially, but after a few months of not watching my income and expenses closely, I feel a little lost. I miss the ability to know <i>exactly<\/i> where my money&#8217;s going.<\/p>\n<p>I had intended to install the new <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/B003YJ5E0K\/?tag=grsorg-20\" rel=\"nofollow\">desktop version of Quicken<\/a>, which is what I&#8217;ve been using for years. (Before that, I used Andrew Tobias&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/andrewtobias.com\/managing-your-money\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Managing Your Money<\/a>, but that hasn&#8217;t been updated since 1995!) In the comments to Tuesday&#8217;s post, several readers asked why I don&#8217;t just use <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mint<\/a>. Good question. I don&#8217;t really have a good answer.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"highlight\">What is Mint?<br \/>\n<b><\/b><\/h2>\n<div class=\"highlight\"><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><b>Mint<\/b><\/a> is a free web-based personal finance program. Mint automagically connects with your bank accounts, your credit card accounts, and \u2014 in theory, at least \u2014 your investment accounts. Because Mint fetches data for you, there&#8217;s no tedious data entry. Mint has been around for a couple of years, but I&#8217;ve been reluctant to try it.<\/div>\n<p>I haven&#8217;t tried Mint for several reasons:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3287,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[475],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54272"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3287"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=54272"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54272\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=54272"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.getrichslowly.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=54272"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}