This post is from staff writer April Dykman.
Lately I’ve been giving my personal finance systems a lot of thought. What is the best way to track my expenses (I’ve yet to figure it out)? Am I allocating my savings in the way that makes the most sense? Should I automate more, or less?
Right now I’m both automated and unautomated. Payments for cell phones, my yoga studio membership, Netflix, and charity, for example, are automated, as are my transfers to savings and savings subaccounts. The payments for bills like individual health insurance, gas service, and car insurance require paper checks for various reasons.
Automating sounded smart, but lately, I’ve been wondering if automation isn’t making me lazy, which might be costing me money.
An automated world
These days it seems you can automate just about anything. Usually all it takes is a few clicks of the mouse to setup automated payments for your monthly spending, such as the following:
- Electric
- Insurance
- Cell phone
- Cable
- Membership fees
- Credit cards
- Rent/mortgage
- Car loan
- Student loan
- Grocery delivery
- Charity
You can automate your savings by setting up monthly transfers from your checking account to the following types of accounts:
- Retirement, such as a 401(k) or Roth IRA
- Traditional savings account
- Online savings account
- Money market account
There are a lot of benefits to automating. Sure, it can take time to set up, but once the system is in place, it happens automagically. You’ll never again have to hunt for the checkbook, stamps, and envelopes — in the long run, it can save time.
Automation can save money. Paying each bill the long way means you have to work with a lot of due dates and passwords each month. It’s easy to forget, pay late, or pay the wrong amount and rack up fees. It’s also easy to not transfer $200 into your emergency fund because you overspent or just plain forgot to do it.
It also might be a more secure method. The Identity Fraud Survey Report by Javelin Strategy and Research found that one way to lower your chances of becoming a victim of fraud is to go electronic — paper statements and checks coming and going from your mailbox aren’t the most secure way to go. Also, paying bills individually online puts you at more risk if scammers install password-capturing software on your computer.
Downside of automation
While automation has its benefits, there are downsides to consider. For example, the past few months, I’ve been sort of just skimming my credit card statements. I used to be much more vigilant about checking statements, and catching mistakes has saved me money. Automation means my bill will be paid, whether I inspect it or not, and it’s easier to let it slide or forget to review it.
Besides mistakes, you might also miss when a service provider increases their fees. Maybe it’s a big enough increase that would make you want to cancel, but with autopay, it goes unnoticed. It also makes you less likely to cancel services you’re no longer using, such as a gym membership. I’m not even sure if gyms still allow you to pay month-to-month, but writing a check for a membership you don’t use makes it more real than an automatic charge to a credit card.
Other ways automation can cost you? Fees. Yes, we just talked about saving money by never paying a late fee, but on the other hand, if you don’t keep up with the dates of your automatic withdraws and your bank balance, you could incur overdraft fees. You also might be less likely to pay extra toward debt, such as a car loan, because it requires extra steps you don’t have to take.
Then there are issues with giving a biller access to your account. If they make a mistake, you are stuck sorting out the mess of overdraft fees and getting the funds reimbursed. The New York Times reports:
So how often does this happen? Nacha — the Electronic Payments Association, a nonprofit association that oversees the network that automated payments travel on, says the error rate is 38 for every 100,000 bill payments. This figure counts mistakes that banks report but doesn’t include problems that consumers solve directly through the billers. (Nacha once stood for National Automated Clearing House Association; automated bill payments are one of many kinds of A.C.H. transactions.)
If an error occurs…rules…require banks to automatically credit customer accounts for the mistake. Consumers get the credit as long as they inform the bank of the problem within 15 days of receiving the bank statement with the error on it. People who miss that deadline still have recourse under federal rules, which give consumers 60 days to report the error, but the credit could be provisional at that point until the bank determines who’s responsible for the error.
You’ll probably get your money back, but not without some hassle. I had a related issue with an old gym membership. Two years after canceling, I saw an odd charge on my statement from a gym billing company. Turns out a new company bought the chain, and they were given my account information, so the auto-billing started up again. The issue was resolved, but it was annoying that the company would keep and pass on my billing information.
In addition, if you switch banks or have to close a credit card account, you’ll have to reroute your automated system. Expiring credit cards can be a problem, as well, although as The New York Times reported, Visa and MasterCard allow merchants to get new expiration dates automatically. Unless and until that becomes the standard, you’ll have to remember to call billers when your expiration date nears.
A happy medium?
I don’t like how lax I’ve become about checking my statements. That’s going to change. But I don’t want to unautomate, either, so is there a happy medium?
As The New York Times article suggested, you can automate your financial life and still keep a high level of awareness, so long as you don’t view automation as a set-it-and-forget-it situation. Two solutions prescribed:
- Make a list of automatic deductions and check them off against your bank statements each month. Before checking a deduction off the list, view each bill and statement carefully to check for errors.
- Keep a cash cushion in your checking account as your own overdraft protection.
That sounds like a good method that gives you the benefits of automation while mitigating the risks, but what do you think? Are you automated, unautomated, or somewhere in between? Why did you settle on that system?
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I agree to a certain extent about automation making a person lazy. For example, the only bill I have that isn’t automated is my monthly rent. Because I’m so used to never having to worry about paying my other bills, I sometimes realize I haven’t put my rent check in the mail until it’s almost too late.
It’s also funny how much of a chore it now seems to sit down, write a check out, address the envelope, slap a stamp on it, and then throw it in the mail.
As far as keeping up with those statements, I have my automated bills set up to where I receive an e-mail statement, most of the time before the payment is made. I print these statements off and put them in a folder next to my computer after looking them over, and at the end of the month I make sure I have a statement in that folder for every bill.
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One way to think about automation is push (good) versus pull (bad). A push transaction is one that you initiate – probably a bill payment from your online banking account to a merchant. A pull transaction is one where the merchant initiates and draws from one of your accounts – such as a gym membership hitting your credit card. If a merchant requires you to have a periodic pull (with them in control), you should either re-establish (new merchant) or cancel these services.
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I automate anything that can charge my credit card and don’t automate anything that can’t. That way I can check when I get my cc statement and I don’t have to worry about bank mistakes.
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I don’t automate my bills. Besides the frustration of trying to regain money if they mistakenly take too much, it’s too easy to become complacent and miss small things on your bill. Back in the era of 900 numbers, a common scam was to bill a tiny, unnoticeable amount one month, then slam the account the next. If you paid the first bill without question, you were on the hook for the second bc they assumed you’d made the charges both months and now regretted that you’d spent too much. I’ve found fraudulent charges of as small as $1.10 on my credit card. Clearly the scam is still being attempted.
What I do to save time is pay online after I’ve reviewed my bills at home. It takes only a few seconds to do, and I can retain more control over my accounts by reviewing them before I pay them
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I cautiously automated all of my bill payment years ago. I was surprised at how much time it has freed up and saved trees in the process, because an email doesn’t use paper. In fact, I probably write out about 25 checks per year total. With auto payment, I never have any late fees and I get account alerts for any transaction over $50 emailed to me daily. If a suspicious or unexpected charge hits my account, I find out about it within 24 hours without having to log into my account. For me the best part, is that I could be anywhere in the world and I don’t have to worry about being home to get my mail to pay the bills.
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Indio, just curious is it through your bank that you get notified of the larger transactions before they go through? That would be a really handy feature.
My method for keeping my automated bills separate from our main checking account is to use an entirely separate account and using the direct deposit feature at my office to regulate the amount of cash flow in.
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Hell no, I don’t save my card or checking account numbers with anybody. Just ask the customers of the Sony Playstation Network.
I put bills in my iCal as reminders, and the calendar sends me an email in advance or starts bugging when things are due, and I may pay or reschedule that day, but I’m not handling control of my money to anybody else if I can avoid it.
I pay everything online though, with card or bill payer, and the only check I pay each month (rent) is an e-check. Yes, there is still some risk in this of course, like everything in life, but I think it’s less this way.
Oh wait, the one e-check is automatic, prescheduled manually, but it’s the bank’s website and I watch it like a hawk. They better have good security or I’ll take my money elsewhere.
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Actually, as far as security goes companies store your credit card number no matter what. Ask the customers of TJMaxx who got hit a few years ago. No recurring bill but the merchant stored the CC data in thier system in case there were issues with the processing.
USING YOUR CREDIT CARD ANYWHERE IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS. That does not mean you shouldn’t use them (I use mine everywhere I can) but you MUST watch your CC account and review each transaction.
The other issue you bring up is real: giving a company access to your credit card or checking account. This is especially bad for variable bills like cell phones or electricity. I avoid this by using this hierarchy:
1. Automatically via e-checks through my bank. This gives me complete control of what gets paid. Anything that is fixed (i.e. rent) is paid in this way.
2. Automatically via credit card. Best for variable bills. My cable, cell, and others are paid for like this.
3. Manually via e-checks through my bank. Best for variable bills that cannot be paid via CC because of the recipient (no CC accepted, fee for using CC, etc.)
Hopefully that helps.
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It is true that most retailers automatically save CC info, and I find this very invasive. If you go to return merchandise at many stores, they don’t even want to see your card because everything is saved in their system. However, I’ve gotten notifications in the past from a few stores that their computer systems were breached and CC info was stolen.
So, I check CC/debit purchases every few days carefully.
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I often use Virtual Account Numbers (VAN) for online purchases. Given that these are available, I wish I could get a VAN that was only good for charges made by a particular merchant. Then if someone stole, for example, Amazon’s credit card database, they wouldn’t be able to use my Amazon-only CC VAN because the card number and merchant number wouldn’t pair correctly.
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Wow, I wasn’t aware they were storing my CC info anyway. Thanks for the information, and yeah, it helps to know that.
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I’m the same as El Nerdo. I have an automatic payment set up for my mortgage and my student loans, but it’s initiated from my bank to them rather than the other way around. All of my other bills I pay through my bank’s online bill payment service.
If someone is going to make a mistake on the amount paid, I want it to be me. I find it vastly preferable to risk a late payment rather than risking that the biller in question “accidentally” takes out too much money. It can be too difficult to get that money back and they don’t even pay you for lost interest (not that that is huge, but still).
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I automate several bills, but find automating my savings is the best thing. Imagine my surprise when I happened to be looking up a bill payment in my online checking account and realizing that the bank had failed to make two automatic deposits into my savings. I checked my automated transfers and sure enough, there was no mention of the automatic savings transfer. I called the bank and they told me they had no record of it and couldn’t account for how it got deleted. I was just grateful that it wasn’t a bill that neglected being paid. Bottom line, make a list of your automatic payments and transfers — and followup religiously. No system is perfect and some defy explanation. I keep a calendar with each weeks bills/transfers listed and check that all is going well. Usually there are no problems and that’s a good feeling. I’m also more aware of my debt — something that I wouldn’t have had to begin with if I’d kept better track earlier on.
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I agree with Thea. I have a notebook where I list one pay check per page, then underneath, all the regular bills that will deduct out of that paycheck. I check it against my bank account regularly (at least once a week, often once a day) and make sure that everything is paid and the bill is what I anticipate.
This is also extremely helpful in planning cash flow, and planning ahead for special expenditures (birthdays, etc).
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What about putting the montly bills onto a credit card? That’s what we do and we reap the rewards too. No worries about overdrafts and there’s time to dispute the bill if you need to.
We have two bills that we are not allowed to use credit cards for – the mortgage and the electric. THose I pay each month. I do have an automatic minimum payment on our credit cards in case disaster strikes and I am unable or forget to pay the bill. I pay our cc bills in full at least once a week and we haven’t triggered the automatic minimum payment since we started this system years ago.
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The only bill that automatically comes out of my checking account is my mortgage. I also have $300 taken out and put into savings every month. The rest of my bills are paid online, but I receive an email notification first. Those bills don’t get paid until I click “Pay!” I do pay my water bill through snail mail because I would be charged $4.95 per transaction to pay it online. I’m not paying an additional charge to pay my bill online!
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I automate as much as possible, but I still check every bill carefully. I always get them at least a week before the payment comes out, so if there is an error I can deal with it. I’ve never had an issue. I also use my credit card for bills too, to get the rewards. I have the credit card set up to automatically pay off the entire balance every month. Since I track every purchase, anything put on the credit card shows up on my spreadsheets so I know how much money I need in my chequing account to pay off the credit card. I also keep a good cushion – about an extra month’s worth of expenses, so I rarely have to worry about not having enough money.
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I have a quick question:
If you use automatic payment option for credit card, does it pay minimum due or full amount?
On more related note, I do lean toward automatic payment.
I have mint.com on my smartphone and I check it several times each day. I know when fees are posted almost as soon as they are up (I just caught fee increase for my internet service last month).
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Epell,
You can set your automatic payment for your credit card to pay the minimum, the full bill or some other set amt. It’s totally up to you. I pay the full bill automatically.
I agree with you that using a personal finance aggregator site like Yodlee or Mint is a great way to stay abreast of transactions and ANY fees.
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I’m not really automated. Rent is billed automatically to my credit card (love the cash back on that) and my 529 contribution is automatic each month since it saved me the account fee. But nothing else is automated. My credit card bill is my only real monthly bill aside from rent and I like to review it before paying. Utilities are included in rent so a non-issue. Overall I’m happy with this balance, it keeps me actively involved in my finances day to day which I like.
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At first I went a little overboard with the automating and I started to feel like I was living paycheck to paycheck! (Stress = not good!) Then I started to keep a spreadsheet detailing where my money is going, when and from which account.
I also have a spreadsheet with my goals for the year, so I enjoy going in and updating my progress. Doing so also makes me double check my statements, so hopefully I don’t miss anything!
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I do the same as Nicole #2 with the credit cards (and there’s points).
With the things that can’t be automated to be paid by the credit card, I prepay if they’re regular bills and have an automatic payment go through my account (not driven by the company, but driven by me). eg. for utilities, I just pay a flat $xxx every month and usually have a credit on the account. The enjoyment I get out of seeing DO NOT PAY on the bill is worth the foregone penny of opportunity cost.
Now that my income is variable, I deposit income straight to my savings account and have an automated monthly allowance moved over to my chequing account. When income wasn’t variable and I had only one income stream, I’d live on one paycheck and save the other. I did that manually, but I’m pretty self disciplined. Well, not really, but learned to be since I wanted to be financially independent.
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My bills aren’t automated, but my saving is; I use the ‘be your own employer’ method described here a few years ago. My paycheck goes to my ING savings, and then twice a month I get an automatic transfer from ING to my brick and mortar bank. One I pay my mortgage from, the other is for all other bills. Since I’m paid by my employer every two weeks but pay myself only twice a month, this funnels everything to savings except what I plan to spend. This has been great. I did have to wait until I had a cushion before implementing this though.
I’ve thought about automating bills, but i’m just not comfortable with giving up control; not yet anyway. I worry I’ll start forgetting where and how much I’m spending, although that’s probably unlikely, and I do pay electronically. I love to read everyone else’s methods when these posts come up.
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I pay everything through my bank’s website’s bill payment service. Far superior to both paper (which anyone who intercepts now has your account info) and giving your card info or, heaven forbid, account/routing info to every company you do business with (which then lets them charge whenever/whatever they feel like, at their convenience).
If you have to give out your card number, credit is better than debit … at least if crooks get your credit card number, they’re not stealing your actual money.
Some of my monthly bills I have automatically paid, some I don’t. If it’s the same amount every month (internet, transfers to savings) then I do it automatically. Otherwise I review first. Never had a problem, and I write maybe two checks a year.
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I think we are as fully “automated” as we can be. For us the advantages outweigh the negatives, and really the “negatives” are just being vigilant about our checking account balance. One good thing is that we get an emailed statement, so there’s a chance to look over all the charges before our account gets debited a week or two later… thus giving us a heads-up on any squirrely (?) charges. Great post!
Austin
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I like the ING auto bill pay. Since I’m the one sending the money I can review and cancel charges before the go out.
About 3/4 of my billers tie into ING to tell ING how much I owe, but they can’t automatically take money from my account. I usually have 2+ weeks from when I get the bill to when it’s due, so I have plenty of time to review it.
The remaining 1/4 of my bills are loans or on contract so the price is fixed.
I only have three bills not set up this way.
Two are set up to charge my credit card, which is my 2nd preferred way of auto billing. My cell phone and gym membership are billed this way — at least if they overcharge it won’t make me overdraft.
My least favorite way is automatically pulling from my checking account. I only have one set up that way and that’s our student loan. We only did that because we got a .05% interest decrease for doing so.
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I automate my massive student loans because the federal governement lowers the interest a little bit if you automate payments. I will not automate my mortgage because I never have enough money with all my debt and it’s hard enough to always remember to have enough money is for when the funds will magically disappear. Not that paying by check is all that different. What I hate the most is the rare instances when a company charges you to automate–it should always be the inverse. Paperless billing and automated payments should always give you a slight break, in my opinion. I too go with the happy medium, although with all my debt I can’t vouch for how happy it really is. Does anyone have any experience with what happens with a mortgage and an automated payment when the mortgage is sold? Is that a big pain?
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I have 2 suggestions that would eliminate all the negatives you mentioned regarding automation.
Add mint.com into your financial portfolio to see all of your incomes and expenditures and portfolio performance in one centralized location. As you review the transactions and match them against your budget, you’ll notice if there are any fraud items or mistakes, and you’ll also notice fee increases as it will no longer match your budget allocations.
Secondly, instead of having your insurance company or credit card auto pay and pull from your bank account, instead set up your bank account to auto pay. That way, as the initiator, you can cancle a payment if you realize something is in error, or dispute a payment. Now this becomes slightly less automated than before since you probably won’t know your credit card balance in advance… but you can set it to auto pay a minimum so you’re never late, and then just remember to check the overall balance and pay the appropriate amount.
These two things are certainly a hybrid mix of automation and manual operations, but eliminate almost all of the downside for just a little more work.
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One savings that you neglected to certain bills that get lowered if you automate – these include some loans (some student loans, in fact) and certain life insurance.
Personally, I automate utilities and driver’s insurance. I keep a sharp eye on them, though, and have picked up errors in the past.
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I have my savings on autopay, and my mortgage. Everything else I have on “manual” pay.
A few years ago, I moved from an apartment to our home. Our ISP didn’t yet offer service to our new home, so we had to cancel and switch to someone else. The ISP was going to bill us for the entire month, even though we were moving in the middle. Moreover, they were going to bill us for the entire NEXT month, too, even though we would have moved out of the apartment weeks earlier.
They refused to bend. They were on auto-pay, so they were going to just take the money. I called the bank to try and block the withdrawal, there was nothing they could do. I had voluntarily given them my account info, so they were entitled to taking the payment. I felt powerless.
Since then, I’ve never permitted another company to hold that kind of power. I dictate when and how much they get paid. If I feel I’m being ripped off, I get to hold onto my money, rather than powerlessly watching it debited from my account.
It doesn’t take much time, or any additional stamps or passwords as April described. I pay them from the online interface for my bank. I just click “Pay Bill,” and check the box for the payee. I specify how much, click “Pay”, and it’s a done deal.
I automate my savings because, well, I want to make sure that happens no matter what, and I trust myself not to rip myself off.
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You could have closed the account and opened a new one. What a bunch of crooks!
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I’ve changed the way I pay my mortgage because of a problem I had with letting them pull the payment out of my account. Last November, the mortgage company had a glitch in their computer that pulled a double payment out of my checking account–and the second payment bounced. I called the bank to stop the payment, because I saw online that it was “pending”, but there was no way they could stop it–I had to get the mortgage company to reverse it. It took them 10 days to give me my money back. I changed my account number and no way will I ever give it to a creditor again.
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My theory, for whatever reason, is to automate bills that are fixed and unchanging each month. My insurance, my cable/internet, my gym, (and of course my retirement savings) are all automatically put on my credit card for rewards or from my bank account/pay check.
The bills that change each month, I pay myself so I don’t get hit by a cash flow suprise. Sometimes the credit card could have a work charge I need to make sure I’ve been reimbursed for before paying, for instance. Or the phone company may have charged me crazy roaming charges (I live in Canada, our cell plans are terrible) that I need to talk to them about and find out if it’s correct; or I want to send more money to my ING account this month than last month.
So, fixed expense = automate, variable expense = non-automate.
It’s how I roll!
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Of course I automate everything, I’m a software engineer.
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LOL – classic INTj response. The personality type that has a natural edge in the early retirement world.
http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html
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I automate what I can control. Vendors can bill my credit card automatically because I can contest that. My checking account can automatically pay vendors by using the bank’s bill-pay — I can control that. I don’t allow any vendor direct access to my checking account.
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We used to have Verizon paid automatically by our credit card. The first couple of months were fine, but then they started adding little fees here and there. The amount every month was never the same and it was always above what we had originally agreed on. When we finally realized what was going on, we switched to paper bills (when skimming your credit card statement it’s easy to miss a $2 bump on a bill, we caught the problem when it reached around $12/month). After calling them, they continued for several months automatically debiting the credit card and would not send us a paper bill. It was a real hassle to get that sorted out.
They couldn’t be trusted with our credit card info.
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I don’t like to automate because I’ve heard too many stories of people having trouble undoing that. I still do automate when I get a perk (such as getting to pay my mortgage on the 7th but pay interest as if I had paid on the 1st) or when that’s the only way to do it (Netflix).
I use a checkbook register to keep track of my spending (both from my checking account and from my credit card). To deal with the forgetting problems associated with automation, I enter those payments each month at the same time I enter my monthly paycheck. Then, when I balance my checkbook, I can see whether they took out the amount I expected. (My mortgage and Netflix don’t change each month, so I don’t need to review statements. Each time Netflix updates their prices and options, I make my choice and, on the previous month’s checkbook entry, write “Next month: [whatever the new amount for next month will be]” so that when I’m copying things for the following month, I get it right.
For all other bills, I now pay electronically (either via their site to my credit card or checking account or, when necessary, via my online checking account). For most, I get my bill electronically, too. So I’m still not wasting paper or postage.
To deal with the forgetting problems that come with that, I try to pay those bills as soon as I get the statements. (I also record any information I’m keeping track of such as utilities usage at that time, so I know right away what’s going on.) Then, at the end of the month, I double-check that I’ve paid all those things. With this two-chance system, I haven’t let anything slide too long in years.
Note that some places (my credit card company) let you adjust your due date (for future statements, not your latest one), which is nice if another date would work better for your schedule (the schedule of when you get paid or your schedule of when you like to sit down to pay your bills).
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My only automatic payment is my mortgage and the monthly payment for my kids’ rented violin–which I only automated to get the best rates. These are taken directly from my checking account. Everything else I pay manually via my bank’s bill pay system–it takes only minutes each month, but I like reviewing my bills before I pay them. Especially with my cable company and cell phone, they often screw up the plan and charge me for things I didn’t order or they suddenly start charging me for a different plan. If I autopaid, I wouldn’t be catching those errors.
I think automatic payments are awful–I’ve been burned in the past on them because you forget that you’re still “buying” that service every month, and things like health clubs abuse it.
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It’s kind of silly to talk about saving money by automating payments on a violin rental. You’d save much more money if you bought a violin outright.
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Ha!
1) Have you seen how kids treat their instruments?
2) How many kids who were in band still play their instruments? Not many. Lots of unused instruments sitting in attics, basements and closets.
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1) Have you seen the prices to rent instruments? A violin rents for about $20-30/month, sells for $100-200 (student/basic models).
2) That’s why you buy one of those instruments sitting in someone’s attic on Craigslist and sell it back on Craigslist when your kids get tired of it. I know what you’re going to say, the kids will beat up the instrument to the point that you won’t be able to resell it. If that’s the case, the rental agency won’t accept it back either.
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We are somewhere in between. My mortgage is not automated because I am paying extra every month and that amount varies. The credit card bill is not automated because I want to keep careful track of what I spend money on.
My electric bill is not automated, not sure why not. It’s probably not an option, but I should check that.
Everything else is automated – retirement saving, internet bill, HOA, etc…
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I automate very little, because I don’t trust most companies to just rummage through my checking account and take what they need.
I have a few bills (cable bill, netflix, etc.) auto-paid through a credit card, and my mortgage payment gets handled through a “pull” ach transaction. Everything else gets paid via an e-check from my credit union, to avoid having to physically write the check. I’m still on the hook for having to remember to pull the trigger on paying my bills, but since I normally only keep a small buffer of cash in my bill paying account, I’m also reducing the chances of an automated “perfect storm” causing an overdraft fee – i.e. payments all attempt to pull themselves out of the account the day before payday, causing multiple overdraft fees / late payments / etc. Plus, it lets me avoid having to set up / maintain multiple accounts and passwords for every bill, and I can just batch everything up and send them out every two weeks just before payday – since I’m controlling the timing, I know exactly how much money is in/needs to be in the account on a day-to-day basis.
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I automate everything except rent, which requires a paper check. To make sure our utilities companies can’t access everything in our checking account, I have sub-accounts in ING that hold just enough to pay each bill each month. The Monday after each payday, half of the bill for that month is transferred to its own account and sits there quietly until the bill is paid automatically. I love the hands-off approach but it took my S.O. some time to adjust after being so hands-on with her bills before we moved in together. Now she’s happy she doesn’t have to worry about writing checks, tracking bills, and moving money to savings. It’s just done.
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I don’t automate much, simply because manually transferring the money into my various savings accounts gives me a smug sense of satisfaction
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I am weird, I guess, I enjoy paying my bills myself.
I do use the automated feature for specific debts. However I click to pay everything else online.
Saving is more important to automate imho.
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You’re not weird at all. I do the same thing–it never hurts to give yourself a momentary sense of accomplishment!
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I have almost everything automated, short of my rent, main credit card bill, and my husband’s car payment (can’t pay that one w/out setting up another bank account, and it’s just not worth it). Not automating the CC bill means I look at the statement (online) every month, so I know what I’ve done.
The best, though, is the automated savings I have. It’s easy to adjust (up for one, down for another since that’s tied to whatever extra I have in my paycheck, which changes when I hit the next tax bracket), and I don’t “miss” the money, since it’s like another bill I pay.
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Personally, my household goes the e-bill route whenever possible. It offers the ease of electronic bill pay while still forcing us to check the amount billed every month. Currently, calling my cable provider is on my to-do list because our discount just expired and I’m not going to pay $70 for internet and 10 channels of television.
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We mostly take advantage of automation when it benefits us, for example student loans and a personal loan I have. We do have verizon auto-paid to my credit card but I check that monthly. Otherwise we just list in excel sheet what we owe for the month, and set up payments from our banks/credit unions for that month.
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In between. Savings are definitely automated. Mortgage and student loan payments are automated; these don’t change month to month and I like not having to worry about them. I’ve also had good experiences with both companies when making changes.
I don’t automate bills that change; I much prefer to look at them when they come in and THEN set up payment. I have ING so it’s been quite a while since I’ve had to write a paper check, or remember to get something mailed on time.
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I automate almost everything via my bank’s bill pay, so that in case I need to cancel, I don’t have to wrangle with lots of individual companies; I can just cancel the payments at my bank’s site.
I save more money, because the transfers to ING are automatic. I pay down my mortgage faster, because my monthly payment is above the minimum, and by automating it I can’t take back the extra payment easily.
I recently automated my insurance payment as well. Normally I get two bills per year, but I divided the total by 12 so that the payment is spread out. Even my cell phone bill, which fluctuates slightly (yes, sometimes I go over my text message max), is automated. The monthly amount is a few dollars over the standard, so I have extra money in the “bank” for overages.
The way I stay on top of payments is by still having most of my bills sent to my house via snail mail. Yes, I waste paper, but it forces me to check the bills each month. I’m on my bank site a few times a week so I can make sure everything is tracking.
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Automate everything, or as much as I can. I still review certain statements (cell phone, credit card, everything else is pretty steady) but I have better things to do than write and mail checks.
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After years of watching my parents “pay the bills” old school style…I adopted technology solutions with open arms at a young age. I have been a pure automater for 3 years and couldnt be happier. I keep a buffer in my bank account for peace of mind. Most monthly bills are fully automated transactions, electronic debits straight from my ING bank account. Some require paper checks which again are automated and sent via online bill pay. I use Mint and have setup a budget showing those bills. This allows me to know if any bill is a dollar more then it should be and needs review. I do not use Credit Cards but if I did I would monitor that statement closely. In short YES I have become more lazy…perhaps a $1 charge might slip by. The reality is what I have gained is far more valuable then an ocassional $1 loss. Life has become so much more smooth/enjoyable living automated.
My parents still spend a day paying the bills.
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I am automated for almost everything that goes to another entity and for the things I use every month (garbage, energy, internet, CCs, mortgage) however I am very unautomated in getting money into the account they withdraw from, the energy bill I review each month (I have to enter the numbers by hand into microsofthohm.com) and then schedule a transfer from my energy savings account into the checking account. For the CC I make transferes throughout the month into a CC savings account for the things we buy, then schedule the full payment into the checking account on the day they will withdraw the funds. This way I don’t have to worry about missing a payment (or if I do I have a no-fee overdraft LoC tied to the account to cover it even if all the bills landed on the same day) and I still have to review the bills each time I get them. It has helped me spot tax increases on the phone/internet bill, and how certian electronics and habits have increased/decreased our energy bill. The other thing is helps with is making sure each item paid with the CC is accounted for and that we have the cash already in hand to pay for it.
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I automate my student loan payments to get the discounted interest rate. They pull from my checking account, which makes me nervous, but they don’t let me bill to my credit card (they don’t take VISA).
Most everything else is automated, except for part of my credit card payment. I have the minimum payment automated so I never make a late payment. But since I like to pay it off every month, and sometimes the date when my checking account is flush varies by a few days, I pay off the bulk of it manually.
That said, I do use mint.com to check my credit card transactions. I also have the due dates and amounts of all my payments in a google calendar, so I know when they are expected to be deducted and I can keep an eye out to make sure the right amount is withdrawn.
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I just ran into an annoying automation problem. We are moving to another country in 2 months and are having tight cash flow with fronting moving expenses, house expenses, etc. Since we are paid ahead by 6 months on a student loan we wanted to stop paying for a few months. Canceling the autopay meant that we lost the .25 interest rate reduction we were getting. We also will have to reautomate it ourselves; they won’t notify us. Nor were we able to put less than our monthly payment on autopay so we could continue to get the interest rate deduction. Oh well. We need the cash now, so there it goes.
While I’m on the subject, are there any overseas readers who have found a NOT expensive way to autopay their student loans from overseas? Neither of our lenders will autopay from a foreign bank and overseas money transfer fees are expensive.
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I lived in France for about a year, and I simply kept my U.S. bank accounts open. If you try to make a wire transfer for each payment, it’ll get expensive very quickly. If you make a bank-to-bank transfer between your foreign and U.S. accounts just a few times a year, it won’t seem so onerous.
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Savings are automated (direct deposit into savings).
401K is automated (from payroll).
Mortgage is automated (bank pulls from checking monthly).
Extra mortgage is automated (I have a scheduled payment every month).
All other bills I pay online, but only a few automated. Don’t think I would ever automate paying credit card bill (it would be too easy to be charged erroneous amounts); I always check CC bill every month against all the receipts I save. Don’t use E-Bills.
But I run as much as possible (namely, all bills that can be paid with no extra fee) using credit card: since I pay my CC bill in full every month, rewards cash back adds up faster that way at no extra cost to me.
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I love automation! It’s eco-friendly and saves time, not to mention all the money I save on stamps and checks, or gas driving around dropping bills off because I wait until the last second to pay them (this would be my mother)! When I can pop online and check my transactions through online banking, my cc website and Mint, which I do probably once a week or so, it’s super easy to keep track of everything. Far much more than with the paper mail, which generally gets tossed on the kitchen table and not looked at until I bother cleaning it.
I automate everything – I have direct deposit and ING zaps an amount every 2 weeks to my savings there. My bills are paid automatically through my credit union, which sends me emails daily if they paid any bills, if they got an e-bill from a company and if they are going to pay a bill. This is something Bank of America never did and that I love about my credit union!
Everything beyond the basic bills (rent, phone/internet, student loans, electric) gets charged to my rewards earning credit card. I get an email from my credit card before the payment is taken out saying my bill will be $xxx and it will be taken out on such and such a date. As long as I’ve stayed under budget for the month I don’t have to do anything. If anything unusual happens – a car repair, vacation, Christmas shopping, etc. – I have plenty of time to transfer that extra money over from my savings account before the bill gets paid. I love this system!
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I automate everything that I can. It is less stressful since I don’t have to worry if a bill comes in when I’m travelling, or if a check gets lost in the mail.
The downside is that if your wallet gets stolen (which has happened to me twice in 18 months), you have to go into every account (and make sure you write down what they are – it’s a nightmare if something remains out there that you forget because it doesn’t get charged much, such as a toll pass) and change the billing to another credit card.
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I automate all of my non-variable subscriptions (Netflix, HuluPlus, Xbox Live, etc.), my minimally variable utilities (electricity, cell phone, etc.), and my savings.
I have systems in place (a text message from the cell phone company, emails from my banks autopay feature, mint.com) to ping me when bills are being paid automatically, and it what amounts. That way, if the price has gone up, or there are extra charges on my account (as has happened with my cell phone bill), I know about it in a timely fashion and can call to figure out what’s going on.
The bills I don’t automate are my credit card payment (for the reasons noted above… I pay less attention to charges if it’s automatic), my car loan payments (sometimes I have to fudge the dates I send those, to make sure the checks don’t bounce), and my rent payment (see above
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I like the convenience of automation, but if I didn’t have a system of checks and balances, I’d be much more nervous about it.
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I automate everything – I have one check each month I have to write to my cleaners, but otherwise it’s all automatic. I “virtually” pay the bills once a month so if you looked at my register, you’d see what the balance should be after all the bills are paid for the month. Then at least once a week I reconcile the register to make sure things are paid correctly (truth is I check it more than once a week via MINT, but only reconcile it once a week). I do check my bills to make sure nothing weird is happening as they come in. I probably do check more frequently than I might otherwise given everthing is so automated, but I don’t really view that as a bad thing. If something were to happen, I’d know pretty quickly and could do what-ever needs to be done before a day or more passes….
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For a few years now, I’ve automated as many payments as possible, using three different methods: charges against a credit card (business or personal), direct deduction from my bank account, and scheduled checks sent directly from my bank.
I pay credit card accounts on the web with direct transfers from my bank accounts.
The only checks I typically write are for medical co-pays, medical bills, and sometimes personal services.
I pay for daily and local goods and services with my debit card as much as possible.
I also keep records of cash expenditures as I pay them.
This system enables easy, nearly automated record-keeping as well. I can download all credit card and bank records into my financial software, tag them with expense categories, add the cash expenditures, and I have a complete monthly record of all my payments, expenses, and income. That takes an hour or two a month.
Doing automated payments of course requires keeping a good cushion in my bank account so I don’t have to worry about overdrafts.
Besides the record-keeping advantages I need no longer deal with filing and managing paper bills and the time needed to write paper checks. And of course no worries about late payments and charges. I do continue to have paper bills sent to me so I can review the details on my own schedule–then either file or shred as appropriate.
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Everything is automated – either to credit card or bank account. Even my credit card is set up to be paid in full every month from my checking account automatically. I still review all of the bills and balance my checkbook.
I keep a list in my financial spreadsheet of which bills are paid via credit card, so it is easy to update them when I get a new credit card number.
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For me, only ING savings is automated (from checking), though I also have payroll deductions for retirement, a credit union savings account, and my bus/subway pass. Savings automation is a god-send, otherwise I’d find infinite reasons not to make that monthly transfer.
Otherwise, it’s online one-time payments all the way. I get the ease of electronic payment with the flexibility and control of deciding when and how much to pay. Companies may have my bank info, but they’d get it from my paper checks anyway; more importantly, what they DON’T have is my permission to help themselves without my say-so.
This has always been my philosophy, but it was reinforced by our lawyer. He also does not automate because he said if you have a dispute over a payment, automation prevents you from withholding payment while it’s resolved.
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