Basic Tips on Tipping: How Much and To Whom? Print
Thursday, 12th October 2006 (by J.D.)This article is about Odds and Ends
Every time I get my hair cut, I’m faced with a dilemma — should I tip the barber or not? I usually get my hair cut in a small-town shop. I tip $2 on a $12 haircut. If I get to hear stories about Vietnam or histrionic political rants, I tip $3, even if I don’t agree with the barber’s viewpoints. (I tip because I’ve been entertained.) Sometimes, if I don’t have enough cash, I don’t leave a anything at all. Are these tips appropriate?
What about when I pick up Chinese takeout? Should I have tipped the guys who delivered our new gas range last fall? What about a hotel bellhop? A parking valet? Out of curiosity, I did some research on tipping practices in the United States. There’s actually significant disagreement about how much to tip for even common services.
For example, you know you should tip your waitress. But how much should you leave? Some people claim that 10% is adequate. Others claim that 20% is standard. But I suspect that most of us learned to tip 15%, and to give more for exceptional service. (The wikipedia entry on tipping currently contains the bizarre claim that “18% is generally accepted as a standard tip for good service”.) Which amount is correct?
After browsing dozens of pages, I drafted the following guide. The amounts listed are based on averages or on consensus, when possible.
Food Service
- Barista
- No tip required, though many suggest throwing coins into the tip jar.
- Bartender
- $1/drink (or 15% of total bill). Pre-tip for better service.
- Delivery person (including pizza)
- 10%, $2 minimum (also, also)
- Maitre d’
- $5-$25 for special efforts
- Takeout
- No tip required unless something special is done (also, also)
- Waiter
- 15% for adequate service, 20% for exceptional service. For poor service, leave 10% or less. It’s okay to leave nothing for exceptionally poor service, but only if you’re sure it’s the waiter’s fault.
Hotel Staff
- Bellman/Porter
- $1 to $2 per bag, $5 minimum. (Or, just as many places say $1 bag, $2 minimum.)
- Concierge
- $5-$20 depending on the service. $20 if he does something exceptional. Nothing for directions.
- Housekeeper
- $2 to $5 per night, paid daily or as a lump sum at checkout. (Most sites suggest you tip daily.)
- Parking Valet
- A wide range of opinions. Everyone agrees that you should pay when your car is retrieved. Some say to pay when it’s parked, too. Most sites say to tip $2, though some suggest $5.
- Room service
- $5 minimum (unless gratuity is included in check)
Travel
- Bus driver (not mass transit)
- $1 to $2, if she handles luggage
- Cab driver
- 10%, $2-$5 minimum
- Chauffeur
- 10-15%
- Gas station attendant
- Nothing. Or $2-$4. There’s no agreement. (I’ve never seen anyone tip a gas station attendant ever.)
- Porter/skycap
- $1 per bag. $2 for heavy items, or if porter brings luggage to counter.
Personal service
- Barber/Hairstylist
- Again, little agreement: 10-15%, 15-20%, etc. One person recommends $5 to each individual who shampoos or blow-dries your hair! (also)
- Manicurist
- 15%
- Spa service
- 15-20%
- Masseuse
- 10-15%
- Shoe-shiner
- $2 or $3
Other
- Building superintendent
- Varies —read more.
- Coat checker
- Most sites recommend $1 per coat, though one said $2 to $5 upon retrieval.
- Furniture deliverer
- It depends. Most of the time $5-$20. Some recommend simply offering cold drinks. (also)
- Grocery store bagger
- One site recommended $1-$3, though I’ve never seen one tipped in my life.
- Mover
- $10-$25 per person (also)
What about tipping at holidays? Tipping service people with whom you have regular contact can build goodwill. I found these recommendations:
Holiday Tips
- Babysitter: one week’s pay
- Doorman: bottle of wine or box of chocolates
- Garbage collector: $15 to $25
- Gardener: one week’s pay
- Housekeeper: one week’s pay
- Janitor: $15 to $25
- Mail carrier: $15 to $20 (up to $20 non-cash)
- Nanny: one week’s pay
- Newspaper delivery person: $15 to $25
- Parking attendant: $15 to $25
- Personal trainer: $20 to $50 (tip discreetly)
Some points regarding tipping etiquette:
- If you use a coupon or gift certificate, calculate your tip based on the total before discount.
- Tip above the norm if:
- Service is exceptional,
- You’ve been a burden, or
- You are a regular client.
- Don’t tip if it’s not deserved. Poor service should not be rewarded.
- In some circumstances, if you offer an initial tip — especially a large initial tip — you’ll get better service.
- If you take up a restaurant table for a long time, tip extra.
- Tip discreetly.
- When in doubt, tip.
What about public officials? When is a tip a tip, and when is a tip a bribe? My wife and I tipped the judge who married us, but even then we had trouble deciding how much to give him. (We gave him $50.)
I suspect that tipping practices vary widely from region-to-region and, especially based upon the size of the city. As always, do what works for you.
Other articles about tipping:
- How to tip in a foreign country
- International tipping etiquette
- Is it better to tip with cash or with credit?
- Tipping at weddings
- Tipping relieves guilt more than it provides incentive
- Tipping etiquette (which is actually the best guide I found)

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October 12th, 2006 at 5:50 am
Please tip your barista the same way you would tip your bartender. Not only is pouring a proper shot of espresso is just as difficult as mixing a proper martini, but a barista will also prepare your food, serve it (along with your beverage), and bus your table.
October 12th, 2006 at 5:56 am
Bartenders only get 10% of a tab, or 1 dollar per drink. If you’re only ordering one drink from that bar, ever, and he’s obviously serving favorites or “hot chicks” over you, don’t tip.
If you’re making them make complicated drinks, such as mojitos (with real mint) or mint julips, tip more.
Valet’s get paid only on pickup of your car, and get $1 in normal weather, $2-4 in inclement weather, except in major cities such as Chicago and newyork, where you add $2 to each of those numbers.
For a waiter, when you have exceptionally poor service you are supposed to leave a penny, not nothing. Nothing looks like you were out of money or forgot. A penny is a longtime message of “Wow you suck”.
Bribe’s happen before the action, tips afterwards.
You state/municipality has guidelines on what different offices are allowed to accept as gifts.
–Michael
October 12th, 2006 at 5:57 am
When you eat at a restaurant do you calculate the tip as percentage of the total before tax or after tax?
October 12th, 2006 at 6:04 am
Good question, Dan. I live in a tax-free state, so I always forget about this. Most of the guides I found indicated that it didn’t matter whether you base the tip on the before-tax total or the after-tax total. My personal feeling is that the before-tax total is appropriate. Why should I tip somebody for sales tax? But I don’t have a definitive answer.
October 12th, 2006 at 6:20 am
a bribe is a bribe no matter if it happens before or after the action. What makes a bribe is intent and expectation.
October 12th, 2006 at 6:22 am
Per the Tipping Ettiquette page (and many other tipping recommendation pages), you should not tip your cable, satellite, internet installers.
As an Internet installer for the last 5 years I take offense to this. Why are we not tip worthy?
I routinely make the extra effort to make my installs look nice. I run wire in hot attics. I run wire in dirty crawlspaces. I try to hide wire on the outside of your house. I attempt to make a computer with 2 years worth of spyware at least usable for no extra cost. My employer doesn’t care what the install looks like. But I do. I take pride in giving someone a clean, professional install, because I am certainly not required to do so.
So, why do I get the shaft when a bartender gets praised for mixing the right liquids or a taxi driver gets you to your destination.
Think about that next time. Installers like to know that you appreciate their effort. I put in 110% for every install I do, but I am certainly not the majority.
October 12th, 2006 at 6:35 am
“Pre-tip”? Not sure what that means.
Scott: Do you tip the cashier at Dairy Queen? The bagboy at the supermarket? The janitor at the office? It’s disingenuous to suggest that the only reason tips are conventionally given is because there’s some service involved. The service is why the company pays the employee. But bar staff, like restaurant staff, are paid less than minimum wage because they’re expected to make up the difference in tips. Baristas aren’t.
Besides, the point of tipping the bartender is to get good service for your second drink.
(Rule of thumb: Any place there is a tip jar is a place where tips aren’t being accounted for in wages and thus aren’t expected. Ever see a bartender begging for tips with a jar? When tips are expected, it’s always a direct exchange: money in hand, or money on the table.)
As for tipping before or after tax: Let’s say the highest federal+regional sales tax in North America is 20% (probably too high), and you’re tipping a straight 20%. On a $100 meal, the difference between the before-tax and after-tax tip is $4. If you’re putting any effort into deciding whether or not to pay an extra $4 on a $100 tab then something’s gone wrong. Just ballpark it and make it a nice even number so it’s easy to tip out at the end of the night.
One more before I shut the hell up — if you’re going to a massage therapist for anything beyond relaxation massages, they might very well not even be allowed to accept tips, just like any other medical professional.
October 12th, 2006 at 6:44 am
I tip waiters 20 percent (pre-tax) for reasonably good service, although that’s mainly for the simplicity of table math. If I found the service only satisfactory, I might round back down to 15, but for the reasons below, I often don’t.
If the service is so poor that I’m tempted to leave a 10 percent tip or less, I’m not going to quietly leave a cheap tip. I’m going to get up and go talk to the manager. I find tip-stiffing on poor service petty and passive-aggressive, and unlikely to fix the problem for other patrons.
I usually put an extra dollar on the payment for takeout. It does take some work to get everything bagged up to stay stable on the way home.
For haircuts, I leave 15-20 percent. If I’m paying with cash, I’ll round it based on the dollars I have. If I’m paying with a card, I’ll usually go closer to 20 percent.
Most of the rest of these I either agree with or have no experience with either way. I do have difficulties with tipping mail carriers and newspaper delivery drivers, because I rarely see them. (And last year I lost the card and envelope left by the paper deliverer; I’ll have to do better this year.)
October 12th, 2006 at 7:04 am
Leaving a low tip for poor service at a restaurant doesn’t send the message that the service wasn’t good … it sends the message that you’re cheap.
When I lived in Canada, I was adamant about tipping. Now that I live in Japan and tipping is not expected/allowed, I’ve come to realize how much I dislike it. If I ever move back to North America, I’m going to be in for quite the shock!
October 12th, 2006 at 7:37 am
Waiter …. It’s okay to leave nothing for exceptionally poor service, but only if you’re sure it’s the waiter’s fault.
Gotta say I disagree with this. I don’t care whose fault it is when the experience is bad. The waiter is pretty much my lone point of contact, s/he is gonna bear the brunt of my disapproval. And I don’t mean everything has to go right - I’ve had some catastrophic dining experiences that were made right by attentive and courteous waiters.
October 12th, 2006 at 7:38 am
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October 12th, 2006 at 7:41 am
Do people tip the maids at a hotel regularly? I never knew I was supposed to do that until a few months ago. The only time I’veever done it was the night of my wedding when there flower petals all over the place. I felt really bad for whoever had to clean that place and left $25. As for general hotel stay, I don’t make a mess and don’t leave a tip.
October 12th, 2006 at 7:53 am
I forgot to discuss the amounts that I generally tip.
I don’t tip in Starbucks, because I don’t order fancy drinks. I rarely go to bars, but when I do, I tip 15% of the bill, which is what I also tip in restaurants. If I get great service in restaurants, I tip 20% or more even.
Because I used to wait tables and know that a lingering table is a pain, I always add extra if I’ve taken a table for longer than normal. I have no problem leaving nothing if service was awful. There were times that happened to me when I was waiting tables, and I always deserved it (and knew I deserved it). I was much angrier at 5% tippers than I was at the people who left nothing. 5% tippers are cheap; stiffers are leaving a message.
I don’t tip for takeout. I tip delivery people a couple of bucks. I have trouble with hotel tips, because I rarely stay in them. I do tip the maids a couple bucks per night, though (paid at the end of my visit). I’ve done this as long as I can remember. I’ve never tipped a gas station attendant, and it would never have occurred to me to do so. (But I live in Oregon where you’re not allowed to pump your own gas — it’s always pumped by an attendant.) I’ve never tipped a grocery bagger, either, though the thought has occurred to me. I tip my barber as described above.
I actually thought of tipping the DSL guy once. When we moved into this house, we had a lot of trouble getting our DSL connection working. One guy came out on a Saturday and spent an hour with me trouble-shooting. I really wanted to tip, but didn’t know the etiquette on it. After doing this research, I would probably offer a tip. He went above and beyond the call of duty.
October 12th, 2006 at 7:56 am
Something you should know, waiters/waitresses are taxed on the amount of food they sell. When I was waitressing in Chicago - I got taxed 8% on the food I sold. And in Illinois they are not required to pay minimum wage - I only made $2/hr. So after taxes were taken out for the food I sold, I had a paycheck of only .20!! So that needs to be considered when you are tipping someone who is literally working for their tips. Tipping 15% actually turns out to be a 7% tip.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:05 am
I could never bring myself to NOT tip, even for poor service. First of all, I’m not an especially fussy person, as I’ve been on the other side of the diner-waiter continuum. ESPECIALLY if the restaurant is near my house, and I might visit it again and have the same waiter, I tip 15-20%. It’s karma: leave a bad tip, guy remembers you, bad service forever.
If I’m out of town, I might be a little less generous, though…
October 12th, 2006 at 8:13 am
I think Matthew’s comment is interesting:
Now that I live in Japan and tipping is not expected/allowed, I’ve come to realize how much I dislike it.
Ideally, everyone would take pride in their work, so there would be no need for a merit-based rewards system for services performed. I really find it unnecessary. I think it is more demotivating than anything due to humanity’s innate ability to focus on negative aspects of life. Thus, if someone receives a bad tip, I would guess many people would dwell on this, which would generally affect their outlook and behaviour. This does not apply to everyone, naturally.
I also think that tips promote judgement between both the tipor and tipee. If the tipor leaves a small tip, the tipee will tend to judge the tipor negatively, and will probably not reflect upon the service they performed. From the other perspective, obviously the tipor is encouraged to judge the service of the tipee and its worth. I think this encourages an ‘us vs. them’ mentality that is so prevalent in North America.
NG
October 12th, 2006 at 8:19 am
Nothing bugs me more than people who do not tip well for people who must work for their tips.
First of all, If you can’t tip your server at least 15%, you have no business eating out.
Secondly, stiffing a server is horrible. Like one suggestion above, talking to a manager is more appropriate. Stiffing a server is having that person working for (basically) free for you and all of your demands for however long you sit at that table. Unless you live in California (where servers are paid minimum on top of tips), servers make on average 2.15 an hour.
Yes, theres no excuse for rude servers, or a bad attitude - but if your server forgets to bring you your ketchup after asking twice, think again before stiffing the guy.
And remember - that server has full control over your food and beverages before it ever gets to you. Remember that before you decide to be an ass to your next server.
(I don’t even wait tables anymore - just a saved up rant!)
October 12th, 2006 at 8:28 am
In all honesty, I find NLG’s comments naive. Of course a waiter is working for money. For so many of us, it’s simply a “waystation” job…something to pay the rent while we finish school. Restaurants only have to pay their waitstaff $2.15 an hour by law. That doesn’t cover a bar tab, let alone rent.
“Ideally, everyone would take pride in their work…”
C’mon. Ideally, none of us would HAVE to work. We work to earn money, the positive feeling you get from your work is the bonus, not the pay.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:35 am
I think it’s interesting that different municipalities have different laws regarding minimum wage for waiters. It never occurred to me that they might not be making the same as anyone else. When I waited tables in Oregon, lo these many years ago, I was paid minimum wage. (I was actually paid more — I was the only member of the waitstaff to be given a raise while I was there. That caused some sour grapes, let me tell you.)
Would I still think it’s okay to stiff a waiter for poor service if he’s only making $2.15/hour? I don’t know. I’d certainly be less inclined to do so. But a tip is a gratuity — it’s not a mandatory thing — so I think I’d always consider it an option not to tip. But I think I’ve only stiffed servers twice in my entire life, so it’s not a huge issue. And I generally leave 20%+, even for breakfast and lunch. As I say: I used to work food service, and these folks have my sympathy.
October 12th, 2006 at 9:17 am
As a former pizza delivery guy, I have to say the $2 minimum is nice and makes for a good average. Ever since I left the game, I’ve always tipped $5 on delivery below $25. A $5 tip was a big deal back then and people that did it got a reputation among the staff as sort of elite customers that everyone wanted to serve. We used to fight over who got to deliver to the known $5 tippers.
I’ve noticed ever since I started using the same pizza place once every 1-2 weeks, I get my pizza within 15-20 minutes after I call, no matter what time of day or how busy they might be. I suspect they’ve figured out I’m a big tipper and give me great service (on the phone I’m often quoted a 45min delivery time).
October 12th, 2006 at 9:25 am
“First of all, If you can’t tip your server at least 15%, you have no business eating out.”
That’s a rather stuck-up comment.
I’m a college student with a wife and one kid. I’ve only got ~$300 in the bank right now, and no job. I study from 9AM-9PM every day, with exception of Thursdays when I go into school at about 11AM. My wife’s business is just getting started, so income is pretty spotty.
When it’s our aniversary next month, I may only be able to aford tipping 10% or 5% or whatever, but it’s pretty presumptuous of you to say that I have no business eating out.
October 12th, 2006 at 10:08 am
I am in the habit of giving my mail carrier a small gift at the holidays (usually a Starbuck’s card or some prepackaged candies- one year I baked cookies and he brought them p to the door to say “thanks but I can’t accept unwrapped food items”). It’s not so much a tip as a recognition of the individual behind the service. It surprises me how many people have never heard of this practice.
October 12th, 2006 at 10:16 am
Good article.
FTR at resturatunts I baseline at 15%, before tax of course. Good service gets you a better tip (sometimes as high as 25%) and poor service gets you less (sometimes nothing). Generally if you keep my drink full and don’t screw up the order your’e getting a good tip.
As far as the above comment, I’ll say this, while I beleive that a tip is not an entitlement and is earned through good service you should plan on leaving a reasonable tip when going out. If you don’t think you will be able to afford a tip of 20% (if you get above average service) then you should choose a cheaper resturaunt or eat at home.
October 12th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
“When it’s our aniversary next month, I may only be able to afford tipping 10% or 5% or whatever.”
I’m with Robert on this: you should consider the tip part of the cost of eating out, not as an optional extra.
This rather harks back to JD’s post on frugality and ethics: while you *can* stiff your server to save money, it doesn’t mean that you *should*…
October 12th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Don, that’s a pretty ignorant attitude to carry around with you. A waiter is responsible for bringing your food and drinks to you, that’s pretty much it. If it takes forever for your food to be cooked, that’s not the waiter’s fault, nor is it something they can correct. I’ve worked in many a restaurant with poor kitchen staff who’d leave you waiting while your tip goes down and down. Do you take responsibility for everything that goes wrong in your company? Should you not receive a paycheck if some other department fails to deliver on their duties?
Anon, so? That tip is part of the dinner out experience. RKMase is exactly right, it’s not the waiter’s fault you are financially strapped and living beyond your means. Perhaps you should consider a nice meal in where the grandparents watch the kid, rather than going out? It might help you get rich slowly.
October 12th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
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October 12th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
at a real coffee bar (as opposed to a starbucks or the like) it is good to tip a buck for any espresso beverage. properly prepared espresso is harder to pull off than 99% of the drinks a bartender mixes and deserves encouragement in the handful of places where its done.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:47 pm
I live in Australia where tipping is a rarity and only done if the service warrants it. I’m not going to tip someone because they carried a plate of food from a kitchen to a table.
In my opinion you get paid to do your job by your employer. Why should I pay you extra to do the job that you’re already being paid for. If you’re not getting enough from your employeer then talk to them about it. Don’t get annoyed with me because your employeer doesn’t value your abilities enough to pay you properly.
October 12th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
What I don’t understand is why we need to tip. Period.
I mean, people are paid to do a job, and if the rate at which the job is being paid is so low that it must be made up in tips, then all that the employer/owner is doing is offsetting what is probably the second greatest expense of operating a business [at least a service/retail based business] - such as the retail store I own - and making it the customers’ responsibility to pay the employees fairly.
A tip for opening a bottle of beer? Are you kidding me? I’ll open it myself for $1.
If the business does not respect it’s employees enough to remunerate them fairly, if not generously, it should not be the responsibility of the customer to bear those extra costs.
Here’s a situation that is 100% authentic and plays itself out every day in my store.
Customers come in, look around, we help them, they like the product, like the service, love the atmosphere. What happens then? They ask for a discount.
Say WHAT!?
That’s right. You receive poor/mediocre service in a restaurant/bar, and you’re expected to tip, you get great service in a retail store, you get asked for a discount.
I pay my people fairly, with room to advance, but that is my responsibility to take care of. The success of the business only happens when those at the front-line, those that, by and large, earn the least in any and every organization - those people who are supposed to be your public face and are the lifeblood of any business - are able to do their job and be happy and treated fairly both personally and economically.
October 12th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
as a server people that tip below 18 to 20 percent are generally looked at as cheap. there are many things people don’t take into account when deciding what an adequate tip is.
1. servers have to tip out. at big popular restaurants we have to tip out pretty large amounts. if you are leaving 15 percent we are usually taking home 11 percent of that. i know customers shouldnt be worried about how much we have to tip out but i think thats why we appreciate it so much more when people tip you well. you have to take into account that your server isnt the only one getting paid here. how was the food, the enviroment..etc..
2. is it really that hard to make someone that is working their butt off for you feel like they did a good job? the difference between a crappy tip and a good one is usually only a few dollars. i will never understand someone that leaves a 4 dollar tip on a 30 something bill. why not just throw in a couple more dollars and make it good?
3. lower your expectations to a certain extent. people get so upset soemtimes for things that are simply out of our control. you are not always going to get a refill before your drink is empty. why you ask? because you are not the only table in the restaurant. not to mention the fact that a lot of places have their servers doing other things besides waiting on their tables. if we do not do these things you would never get your food, things would be dirty and the overall dining experience would such. people never take this into account when they are getting pissy about not seeing their server for 2 minutes.
all that being said i can understand when people don’t tip for bad service. that is what you are paying for but people need to be a little more aware of what we are doing for them and how hard of a job it really is.
October 13th, 2006 at 5:39 am
It used to be easy tipping here, because the tax (HST) was %15, so you just tip the tax! But I think it’s gone down to %14. I don’t really follow rules with tipping, I guess because I don’t often have a lot of money on me. But I tip at restaurants and at bars. I often forget to tip my hairdresser though.
October 13th, 2006 at 6:57 am
For those of you who think waiters shouldn’t be tipped: waiting is one of the few jobs where relatively bright students can work part-time and still make enough money to make ends meet. Removing the tip, and making waiting (once rated as one of the most stressful jobs, because so many factors are beyond your control) a minimum wage job, would send most of those people somewhere else. As someone who waited tables for seven years, I think you’d see a dramatic decrease in the quality and helpfulness of your waiters–who wants to work for minimum wage?
I agree that relying on the customers to cover labor costs is an odd model, but it’s the system we have. Unless people like Chad are willing to lobby to change the system and raise the minimum wage for the servers, I don’t think you’d actually like the results.
That said, how does service compare between the U.S. and non-tipping countries? Anyone with a great deal of experience want to commment (and let’s not forget the “service charge” many of these countries seem to tack on).
October 13th, 2006 at 8:32 am
Universal tipping guide…
The financial wunderkind over at Get Rich Slowly has created a handy universal guide to tipping, with everything from barista tips (”No tip required, though many suggest throwing coins into the tip jar”) to general holiday tipping guidelines (”News…
October 13th, 2006 at 9:16 am
In Asia at least as well as 3rd world countries, tipping is unknown; waiters may try and return money left on the table. In Russia, tipping happens occaisonally, but is generally only done by tourists or at nice restaurants. Really, America is the one place I know where tipping is so important that we debate over tip amounts.
October 13th, 2006 at 9:18 am
“When it’s our aniversary next month, I may only be able to afford tipping 10% or 5% or whatever.”
The net effect of your action is having the waiter pay for your action. The 15% tip should definitely be considered part of the bill. If you can’t afford it, order less or don’t go to the restaurant at all.
There’s a line between being thrifty and being cheap. Leaving a small tip is cheap.
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October 13th, 2006 at 9:50 am
I think tipping a gas station attendent is really old school, and if it happens at all anymore probably only happens with working drivers.
A long time ago I drove a cab in Boston, and the other cabbies schooled me about tipping at gas stations. At our garage we all tipped, but I started noticing other cabbies and limo drivers doing it at other stations. These days everyone pumps their own. Which is all the more reason to tip on the rare occasion when someone else does the pumping.
October 13th, 2006 at 10:03 am
I don’t feel too sorry for the server who received $.20 on their paycheck. I have a lot of friends (who are college students) bringing home $100+ a night in tips. And only a percentage of that is claimed as income, where a percent of that goes to taxes.
When I dine out, I look around to see how many tables a server has. If he/she has 5 tables, and the tables turn over in an hour, and everyone leaves $5 (which is pretty light), the server is still making $25/hour, plus the hourly wage (which typically all goes to taxes). In my opinion, that is pretty good money for a person without any formal professional education to make!
I do agree, extra inconveniences caused by myself to the server deserves an extra tip.
I also tend to tip heavier at restaurants where the server is working the “graveyard shift” - probably out of sympathy.
October 13th, 2006 at 10:14 am
Gas station attendants in New york should be tipped if their is bad weather.
I always give at least 2 bucks to the guy who is standing in the snow while i am in the car.
I know other places it is mandatory to have the attendant pump your gas - then it would be different.
October 13th, 2006 at 10:23 am
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October 13th, 2006 at 10:48 am
Mail carriers are Federal employees. giving them gifts is against the law.
October 13th, 2006 at 11:31 am
I would just like to comment on post #14
Debra Says: “Tipping 15% actually turns out to be a 7% tip.”
In reality what that means is that you are not paying taxes on more than half of your tip! They calculate the taxes on your pay check based on getting an average tip of 8%.
It is common knowledge that most servers do not pay taxes on their full income.
Not only that but they often get tax breaks based on a low reported income and expect everyone to feel sorry for them. For example I know of people reporting an annual income of $10,000 when they really made closer to $30,000.
There are also safeguards in place to ensure that servers are not over taxed. When the restaurant gives you your tips if they are lower than 8% of your total bills they will adjust the taxable income on your paycheck.
You will rarely hear of anyone pushing for the actual tips to be calculated because more often than not they will end up paying out more because the average will be well above the 8% they were taxed on.
October 13th, 2006 at 11:49 am
Always tip your barista! Pulling a good shot and making a good velvet foam require skill and practice, not to mention how hectic it can get behind the counter on a busy morning.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:00 pm
Here’s a question that will surely rile up folks. FWIW, I tip 20% for food service almost without exception.
Let’s say you and 3 other people go out to dinner. Your total bill comes to $300. There were no problems and your service was “normal”. Your average dinner for 4. No special drinks. No extended stay at the table, chatting.
20% would be $60.
Are you actually going to pay your waiter/waitress a $60/hr salary just for YOUR table?
I sure as hell don’t, and never will. I believe there is a “percentage method cutoff point.”
As an aside, the whole “we have to tip out” thing is bogus to me. That’s between you and your employer to solve in salary negotiations. Not my problem.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Great guide but have disagree on cabs and doormen.
If you’ve called for the cab (or sedan service) it’s right on. If you’ve hailed the cab from the street, as is common in NY and other metro areas, there’s a very decent chance the total cab fare is going to be in the $4-$7 range.
A 10% tip would be in the $0.40 to $0.70 range, 2 dollars would be over double the ‘percent’ amount, not even considering $5 high-end min option. The guide I’ve heard most NYers use, for intercity travel (not to airports, etc.) is round up to the nearest dollar and add one (e.g. a fare of $4.60 would get $6). Given that it would take a bit of doing to get a ride within Manhattan over $15 this usually ends up being more than the 10% rule, but nowhere near the $2 min.
On doormen, I know a number make significant (tax free) cash at the holidays (from 1/3 to 1/2 of their annual salary. Given that my middle-of-the-road bldg has 400-500 units, at $20 per unit (minimum, most tip more) it’s a significant amount.
Food and wine don’t cut it alone. The better course, and more economical, I’ve found is to tip when you receive a service. I’m young and can carry my own packages, I get the doorman cart myself and don’t ask the doorman to watch my dog while I check the mail. If they hail a cab, hold something unusual for me, or do something else above and beyond I tip. During the holidays it’s a modest tip b/c in June they aren’t going to remember if I gave 20 or 50, but they will remember I give when helped.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
I almost always pump my own gas. The last time that I didn’t, it was a cold, windy day in Boston and I had just tipped the car wash guys who were freezing as they dried off my car. Without thinking, I tipped the guy pumping gas two dollars or so. He was surprised but happy.
When I lived in Switzerland, a guide like this one suggested only leaving the change as a tip at restaurants (leaving more would be taken as an insult). A bunch of us noisy Americans loved to eat on Sundays at a little Auberge in the countrysid. We’d tip something approaching an American rate. The proprieter loved to see us. She’d come out with her bottle of grappa at the end of the meal pouring generously.
One of the joys of tipping well is that people remember you. At most bars or restaurants where I tip well (or coffee shops if I tip at all), I get much friendlier service. It works anywhere.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
anon:
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October 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
“One site recommended $1-$3, though I’ve never seen one tipped in my life”
Some grocery stores forbid tipping, and put up signage to that effect. In other places, tipping is actively encouraged. When my husband was an enlisted guy fresh out of Basic Training and we had a new baby, he bagged at the commissary on weekends - working for tips only, they did not pay baggers - and that really helped make ends meet. I don’t know what the practice is now, or whether it varies from base to base.
Something I haven’t seen mentioned - a tip is, basically, a thank-you. In situations where tipping is discouraged or forbidden, fall back on the actual, verbal, effusive thank you. And if you tip well, for heaven’s sake, tell the service person why. A nice tip is nice, but so is a detailed, articulate statement of appreciation for a specific service executed with grace, poise, enthusiasm, and efficiency.
October 13th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
To Jeff #44:
When I worked for a year as a waiter during college, I experienced your mentality towards tipping 20% on big bills all the time. You should always tip 15-20% no matter what the bill is. Anyone who has ever worked as a waiter will agree. I don’t know what restaurant you are going to that $300 is “average” for 4 people (without drinks or anything special!), but if you are going to a place where you have to drop $75 for yourself, then you shouldn’t have a problem tipping $15 on the bill (as your share of the $60). In my experience, when people spend that much on a dinner, they are drinking and getting all sorts of special things, and spending a good amount of time at the table - which is fine - but they should then tip 20% if the service was good. It’s not right to have the mentality of limiting your max tip to a certain amount. Waiters don’t make $60/hr, unless they work at some 5 star ridiculously expensive restaurant. Over the course of the night it always averages out to much, much less than what the largest single tip was. So if you spend $300 on dinner, tip the $60, because at the end of the night the waiter is probably making more like $20/hr.
October 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
tip your barista cause we invented the idea of tiping
October 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
Just a few quick notes. I say that it’s never OK to not tip your waiter, even if the service was crappy. At least give a few bucks.
Also, I work as a grocery store bagger, and we do get tips. Although, people usually don’t tip unless you also carry their groceries to their car for them. But yeah, $1-$3 is about right. I’ve never gotten more than $5.
October 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
I worked as a gas attendant in Oregon for three months (where it is illegal to pump your own gas). I think it is polite to tip the attendant if they do something extra for you like clean your windshields/headlights, provide directions, etc. A dollar would suffice. I eventually stopped providing any extra services, because most of the time people even neglected to thank me for wiping their dirty windshields. Jerks.
Also, my girlfriend informs me that the duration of her hair washing (basically, a scalp massage) at the salon is directly related to the size of her tip to the stylist on the previous visit. She also frequents the same salon.
October 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
tip when somebody does a service for you that is above what they had to do. don’t tip somebody for just doing their job, and tip based on what that extra service is worth to you. pre-tipping is called a bribe, and if i worked in a service industry, i would be insulted to recieve one
October 13th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
Useful list, had I had it BEFORE I visited the States. I got some very strange looks when I didn’t tip. However, I am very much of the opinion that tipping should only be for good service (as it is in the UK/RSA) and not just because someone’s done their job. Nobody tips me because I’ve done my job.
October 13th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
I for one think tipping in all its forms should be done away with. You’re forced to make this value judgement and get loaded with the guilt trip that the guy won’t get to feed his family if stiff him for taking too long to bring the drinks.
Include it in the bill. If the service was bad, complain to the manager, and/or don’t go there again.
October 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
For barbers, I tip a minimum of $3 for good service, although as the price of a haircut climbs closer to $20 I may bump that up. I also was taught early on that you’re not supposed to tip the owner of the shop, although I have never had an owner turn down a tip.
October 13th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Believing tipping is ever mandatory sucks just as much as buying obglitory Christmas gifts. Just don’t do it, no matter to whom. Would you want to recieve any gift from someone who only gave it to you because they felt they had to? Not me.
A tip is a gift. You should *never* give unless you are moved to reward someone for exceptional service, kindness, or anything else they do beyond their job description. Do not box yourself into preconceived notions of who you should or should not tip, or how much. This does not mean to be stingy. Give often and generously to anyone you like. I have tipped over 100% of the bill on rare occasions, but I also have no qualms whatsoever about leaving nothing at all.
Do not allow yourself to regard your tip as part of the expected compensation for any type of service. When a tip *is* required, it is automatically generated and added to the bill anyway (”15% gratuity added for parties of six or more”).
October 13th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
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October 13th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
My experiences..
1) I always tip US bartenders $1 for the entire order. $2 if it’s a big order. It seems to be well received.
2) Grocery baggers REFUSED my tip!
So.. I say don’t tip there.
3) The linked article about tipping around the world is bogus.. it says that in the UK this applies “Service charges usually included in restaurant bills; otherwise, standard U.S. tipping rules apply.”
That’s nonsense. Most restaurant bills do not include service charges, for starters. And standard US tipping rules certainly don’t apply. You never tip bartenders, for instance. And 10% is considered standard. Any more than that is extravagant. Rounding up is also done a lot, rather than work on exact percentages.
October 13th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
What about tipping your photographers?
October 13th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
How exactly does one go about tipping, say, a garbage collector or newspaper delivery person? Every Christmastime I run into this dilemma and have yet to figure out what I’m supposed to do.
October 13th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
Just wanted to say to those of you who mentioned that tipping is not a normal custom in your country of origin/habitation: I hope that when you’re in the States you still tip as often as you see fit or can part with the money. As someone who works at a register job where tipping is seen as “tacky” by the proprietors, tip money is rare but makes all the difference in the world. I try not to let tip amounts affect my service provided to people and, frankly, I’ve never not provided (translation: I’ve always provided) the best service I could at the time given the circumstances. Yet there’s nothing more disappointing than putting in an 8 hour shift and having nothing to show for it except 3 or 4 dollars. (Especially on Mondays.) Service jobs are thankless jobs so I IMPLORE you: Please tip what you can whenever you can. Even if it’s just change.
October 13th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
No kidding: I’m supposed to feel sorry for people who end up making 20 and hour and have to pay taxes on half that? I’ve bested my ass a lot harder than waiting tables for a lot less than that. And I had to pay tax on all of it.
I’ll tip what’s appropriate if the server does a good job. But how dare servers act like I’m responsible for subsidising their choices?
October 13th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
Dan: the “tip calculator” that some restaurants print at the bottom of their receipts always seems to be based on the after-tax total. Personally I think this is nonsense. Why tip the server for the state’s job in addition to their own? I always calculate based on the pre-tax total.
October 13th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Do people realize that waitpeople/servers do not get paid even minimum wage, and are not infrequently paid under $3 an hour? For people whose paycheck comes mainly from their employers, a “tip” might be just an extra thank you — but for restaurant workers, the expectation is that the customer, not the employer, provides basic compensation. If you’re denying a server a tip because of poor service, please make very sure that it was their fault, and not the fault of the kitchen, management, etc.
October 13th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
I teach piano lessons, and sometimes I receive Christmas gifts or tips. I have a graduate degree in music and belong to a professional association and give presentations, so I consider myself to be somewhere along the lines of a doctor or lawyer than a maid or nanny, and make somewhere in between those two levels.
I do accept the tips and presents so as not to be ungracious, but frankly, the gifts I receive are usually either jewelry that’s not as nice as what I normally wear, or gift cards for places that are not where I would go to buy something nice for myself, and I actually end up recycling much of this into tips to my hairdresser and cleaning lady.
Basically, I judge my piano student’s families on these points:
Does your child practice between lessons or do they come and waste my time?
Do you read my studio policy that says you don’t get a credit or make-up with less than 24 hours notice, and if you do, do you accept it and not try and get me to make an exception whenever you “forget” or the lesson time is “inconvenient”?
Do you pay your monthly invoice on time the first time you receive it, or do I have to waste my time reminding you to pay what you owe me?
Basically, if you treat me professionally all year, I don’t really need a gift or a tip, and if you don’t, I probably won’t take you back next year no matter what you give me at the holidays. And tipping/gifting will not change the fact that my studio policies apply to you, and that your child is not getting any extra time or attention beyond the excellent attention I give all my students. And if you think you are not getting my best, I invite you to change teachers rather than attempt to bribe me into doing “better”.
October 13th, 2006 at 8:47 pm
What are opinions here regarding leaving tips at buffets (Indian restaurants, etc.)?
October 13th, 2006 at 9:21 pm
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October 13th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
The US is the only place where you might have to worry about tipping more then some change. Yes if the service is above and beyond, they are getting a nice tip. Though I feel that tips should NEVER be mandatory, and waiters SHOULD get paid min wage. You don’t tip the person at McDonalds do you? Why not, they serve you food. I think it should be standard, get paid at least min wage, that would make it a non concern. Oh yea, and maybe get rid of the 4 way stops
October 14th, 2006 at 3:33 am
That’s a strange system you have there in the US… It seems really stressful to understand the obscure rituals that correct tipping involves. A suggestion from the rest of the world where you tip because you want your service people to know that you really enjoyed your stay (and they will appreciate that and will not take it for granted): You should just stop tipping completely for a while. All of you. It would lead to a situation where 2$/hr-waiters had to renegotiate with their employers and after a short while labor cost would be where it belongs.
No tip > bad service > no patrons > higher wage for waiters (or closing of business) > prices include labor cost > tips are a sign of gratitude and exceptional service
Aren’t you the guys with the market economy over there?
And aren’t there any retaurants that treat their employees fairly and have an explicit anti-tip policy? I for one as a patron would honor that…
October 14th, 2006 at 4:19 am
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October 14th, 2006 at 7:13 am
A delivery driver should be tipped at least the same as a waiter. There are some serious expences and risk involved in delivery. The typical delivery charge generally only covers fuel mileage. As a pizza driver, I had a commercial insurance policy that changed my rates from $50/month to $95/month. There are the risks of robbery and road hazzards. 40-60,000 miles of city driving on a car doesn’t help either.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:58 am
“So if you spend $300 on dinner, tip the $60, because at the end of the night the waiter is probably making more like $20/hr.”
That’s the waiter’s employment/salary decision then.
Regardless, you are missing my point entirely. Your statement and point of view is that it is reasonable for a person to hand a waiter $60 to do the following over the course of 1 hour:
* Walk witha tray of food for 4 people from 50ft away
* Check on the table a few times
* Fetch and deliver drinks as necessary
That’s insane, and any past-waiter (always the ones who object to my philosophy on it) supports their justification of it with a complex tree of events that flow from patron all the way practically to the poor poor cost of gas the waiter had to spend to make it to work.
$60 for carrying a tray, picking up dishes, being cordial, and carrying drinks is insane for 1 table of 4. Now… 8 people with mixed drinks? Different scenario.
I pay 20 percent 95% of the time. I will never feel badly about handing a waiter $30-$40 for their 10-15 minutes of actual work at my $300 table, nor do I care if they feel I am cheap because of it.
I do find it comical that people who wait tables consider themselves a working class above a grocery bagger or checkout person. I don’t think I’ve ever come across personnel more over-self-important than wait staff. It’s an honest job, and good for you, but get OVER yourselves.
If I chose to wait tables, I’d be very damn happy with $15/hr.
Licensed massage therapists in the Tampa, FL region make $18-$20/hr.
October 14th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
In response to #42:
I got taxed on 8% of the food that I served. So if you bought lunch and the bill came to $24 - I got taxed 8% on that meal which is $1.92.. doesn’t sound like alot - but if you left a %15 tip would be $3.60 means I made $1.68. I’m guessing you probably would have only left $3 tip for a $24 lunch. Means I only made $1.08.
They don’t base the taxes on your tips at all. They base it on the food you sell. All food tickets are entered into the computer and they know how much you sell.
What percentage of tax do you pay on your income? 50%? Why would taxing half of my tip be OK then?
October 14th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
I find the $5 minimum for room service a bit excessive. Most hotels include a line item for the service fee and gratuity. There’s also a place on the bill for an “extra gratuity”. Is the $5 recommendation over and above what’s already charged?
October 14th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
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October 14th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
I didn’t bother reading through the numerous replies as this is simply directed at the “author,” or collector of this information.
On military bases, at the “commissary,” or supermarket, all baggers work soley for tips. I always put a dollar in the basket, considering being single I generally don’t buy a lot, and I make less money than most. However if I’ve gotten a lot of items I tip closer to 5 dollars, depending on if I’m carring or carting the bags to my car (eg how many bags there are), and if they smashed my bread or not.
October 14th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
74 debra- Everyone is taxed on their income. I pay my tax rate on 100% of my income, which usually amounts to about 33%. And you are complaining that they are taking 8% of the food bill? If 15% of the food bill is the average tip, you are only paying tax on half of your income. So quit complaining.
October 14th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
I would like to add Lifeguards to the list. If your a regularly attend a pool a tip is most appreciated at the end of the summer. I would only tip though if the lifeguard made an extra effort to help you in some way.
October 14th, 2006 at 9:21 pm
I have tipped many times to Gas Attendants. Sometimes, I might not have any change and I do not tip. But especially if its at night time; I definitly make sure I break a 10 or 20 ; just to tip them :).
Hey its NJ, and if they are doing the work… Y NOT??
October 14th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
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October 14th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
I may just be a jackass (quite possible, I suppose), but I never believed you SHOULDN’T tip a person when they had done a bad job. Instead, I left them a penny
October 14th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Jeff’s comment #44 is a bullseye!!!
I am a Dir of Info Tech which provides customer service 24X7 and I have yet to recieve a ‘tip’
October 15th, 2006 at 2:18 am
I’d never even heard of tipping except in a purely theoretical way until a couple of years _after_ I’d visited the USA. Now I’m kind of leery about taking any kind of future vacation there.
It’s not that I couldn’t afford the tips, it’s just the hassle of having to know ridiculous amounts of background information in order to figure out what should be coming out of my wallet. Heck, even the practice of not including all taxes and fees on price tags is a pain in the ass.
Most other countries, your expenditures will be exactly what’s written down, not that-plus-variable-fed-tax-plus-variable-state-tax-plus-variable-tax-tax-plus-variable-tip. If a meal is going to cost me $30, I want to see “$30″ on the menu, dammit. If it says “$29.95″, I want to be walking out of there at the end of the night with a nickel.
October 15th, 2006 at 2:19 am
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October 15th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
I valet park in San Francisco, here’s my take:
$1 cheap
$2 not too bad, thanks
3-4, nice, thanks
5-10, quite nice, thanks very much
20, you made me not hate myself for standing out in the cold, thanks so much
People often remember to tip when they’re paying for valet parking, but forget to do so when the parking has been comped by the host (like at weddings, rather than restaurants). But we’re still dependent on tips, regardless of who’s paying.
Tips are shared amongst valet parkers, so if you want to tip someone in particular, give them two amounts, one of them specifically for the recipient. We’re taxed on our tips, so if we don’t actually receive that amount in tips, that tax comes out of our paycheck above and beyond the regular taxes.
October 15th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
I didn’t read through the comments so it may have been mentioned, but one of the overlooked tipping positions on the list is that of casino dealers. I’m a dealer and I think of all the service positions one can have, no one takes as much abuse from patrons as the casino dealer - and no one gets tipped less than we do. We get called names, sworn at, threats of violence at times, and generally are treated like crap, and if we get $5 from one of these people that’s alot. When people win bigger jackpots they ask, what should we tip you, and I always say “How much do you tip a waitress for good service? I gave you 40 thousand dollars, what do you think you should tip me?” It’s never ever close to 10% let alone 15 or 20. Alot of new players don’t even know they should tip dealers, but we live on tips. Standard hourly rate payed by the company is $4/hr….we need the tips to survive. Please take care of us next time you go to a casino and have a good time, and/or win money. Thank you
October 15th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
I’ve always told people that they should tip their butcher (if they have a regular one) at least $5 at Christmas. It’s not only appreciated, it seperates you from the herd and ensures great service and preferential treatment in the year to come.
October 15th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
My goodness, how much money do these suggested tippers have?
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October 15th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
I do telephone support for a software firm. Since I provide consistent excellent service and never receive tips I NEVER tip anyone else. If the waiters, delivery boys, and cruise ship employees dont like their salary,
they can take it up with management.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Tip your mail person. As the child of a rual mail carrier, our Christmas’ were brightened by the many boxes of cookies and chocolates our father brought home each year. (I wouldn’t tip cash, except maybe gift cards).
Though I still tire of the endless boxes of cordial cherries I see haunting my dreams.
October 16th, 2006 at 3:23 am
Wow, it almost sounds like we should be tipping everyone we come into contact with! Casino dealers and butchers, too! (By the way, if I ought to tip a casino dealer when I win money at the table, should the dealer tip *me* if I were to lose?) It really seems that a line should be drawn somewhere, but evidently, views range widely. Maybe I should join the fray and make a shameless pitch for my own line of work: “tip your college professors!” So there. (And by the way, no, I am not serious about that. At the K-12 level, you might want to give a teacher a small gift if she/he has spent hours writing letters of recommendation for you, but really, it’s part of the salary.)
October 16th, 2006 at 6:46 am
My two cents : I don’t care how you frame this debate or justify your position; if you’re inclined not to tip you’re probably not going to tip.
And you’re probably going to drink alone at home, because you’re not welcome to sit at any bar where the staff has an ounce of self-respect.
You might consider tipping as a form of karma, especially in the food and beverage industry. Let’s be honest: do you really want to risk having a bad reputation among the people who feed you?
October 16th, 2006 at 7:28 am
Do people (wait staff) not realize that there are other jobs available where you don’t have to make 2 bucks an hour and rely on the charity of others?
Seriously. Quit whining.
October 16th, 2006 at 7:43 am
I always tip 20% to waiters and waitresses. If the bill states that a gratuity has been added and it’s less than that amount then I make up the difference, even though I feel it’s presumptuous of the establishment to automatically add a tip to my bill (because the service may have been sub-par). Most hotels add that to the room service bill and I usually get disappointed looks from the server if I tip only the difference to bring the tip to 20%. Not my fault. I also ignore the tax and tip only on the amount consumed.
Pizza delivery gets $2.00 plus the change from the bill. Mail carriers get nothing. Their pay and benefits are far better than mine.
Any profession that gets minimum wage and above will have a hard time getting tips from me.
Any of you that tell others that “if you can’t afford 20% you have no business going there, so go somewhere cheaper”: you are supercilious snots who probably make more money than you’re worth. For a person of small means to forego going to a ritzy place for a special occasion because the service people, from the valet to the maitre d’ to the waiter/waitress demand 20% or above is a mean thing to do. Get over yourselves; there are exceptions.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:00 am
What people don’t understand is that waiting tables is essentially a commision job. The commission is determined almost solely by the patron. Whe I waited tables I was taxed on 10% of my food and alcohol sales, I automatically tipped out 3% of sales to the bar and busboys. I collect all of the money for the night and at the end of the night pay out to the tippool and then pay the restaraunt for my food and drink. Anything that’s left over is mine. If a table walks out on it’s check - I pay for it. If the kitchen is constantly in the weeds and I don’t get any tips I have some rescourse but usually my pay suffers. There have been nights where I’ve ended up paying the restaraunt. Usually after a dine and dash, but still I’ve worked 6 to eight hours essentially for nothing. I’ve also had days where I cleared a couple hundred dollars.
It also seems that people who don’t tip don’t know what goes into making a good waiter. I worked as both a waitier and a bartender and I worked a lot harder than I’ve had to in any other job with the exception of farm labor.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:13 am
Yes, waiting is a hard job and yes there are nights that suck. But everyone’s jobs suck! I work in IT for a training company, last week someone docked my centre for using ‘yellow’ light as opposed to ‘white.’ My scored are taken into account during my annual review, so you could see that as a loss of cash.
Yet, still, I don’t think I’m entitled to ‘good’ reviews or feedback from the customers. I am here doing a job. When I get fed up with it, I will leave. If I get fed up with IT, I will retrain to do something else.
If a customer compliments me because I’ve gone out of my way, then that’s brilliant and a complete bonus. However, it’s not something I expect or am entitled to.
Similarly with tips. I’d say, if the service is average, 15% is fine. I usually tip around 20% just on basic principle. If the service has been horrendous, I’ve been known to leave pennies in a sad face :(.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:19 am
From #95:
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Any of you that tell others that “if you can’t afford 20% you have no business going there, so go somewhere cheaper”: you are supercilious snots who probably make more money than you’re worth. For a person of small means to forego going to a ritzy place for a special occasion because the service people, from the valet to the maitre d’ to the waiter/waitress demand 20% or above is a mean thing to do. Get over yourselves; there are exceptions.
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Like buy less food or go to a cheaper place. If you can’t afford to pay the bill you shouldn’t go. What if you get stellar service. the wiater may go above and beyond for your special occasion -even if it isn’t special to him. If the service is good you should still tip. That’s part of the unwritten social contract.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:41 am
For Room Service, you suggest a $5 minimum. Every hotel I’ve stayed in already adds an 18% gratuity to your Room Service bill, not to mention several dollars “delivery fee”. Is this $5 meant to be in addition to that?
October 16th, 2006 at 9:20 am
I will never tip a counter person for filling up a cup of coffee for me. I will never tip a counter person for reaching into the display case and getting a pastry for me.
On the other hand, for service — simply for bringing the food to my table (which is part of the job requirement) — a server will get no less than 15%, and usually more (calculated on the gross total, not the pre-tax total).
I consider myself a fair tipper, especially now that I bring a toddler to the restaurant (where I know feel compelled to tip no less than 22% to 25%). This is the price of raising a child in NYC, one that I gladly pay.