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“Did you learn anything in England and Ireland?” a friend asked the other day. I brushed the question aside; I didn’t have a good answer. But I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe I did learn something: being gone for three weeks taught me that I have too much Stuff.
I’ve always been a packrat. When I was a boy, I had a closet that my parents called my “rat’s nest”. I stashed anything I could find in there. As I grew older and began to earn money, my urge to possess things became a compulsion: I bought tapes and records and books and clothes and comics. I would buy anything that seemed like a bargain. (I often bought on credit, of course.) I used to have a stack of Costco clothes in my closet that I’d never worn. I once brought home six boxes of free books from a bookstore’s “going out of business” sale. These books may not have cost me any money, but I now realize that they weren’t exactly “free”.
How does this relate to my trip to Europe?
When I go on vacation, I tend to overpack. I usually take a big suitcase crammed with extra clothing, electronic gadgets, and, most of all, books. I take lots of books. This time, despite being gone for three weeks, I limited myself to a single carry-on sized suitcase and one daypack. This seemed like a triumph, but after just a few days, I wished I had packed even less. Did I really need half a dozen personal finance books? Did I really need my laptop computer? Did I really need two sweaters? Though I didn’t take much, it still felt like too much Stuff.
More importantly, I discovered that I could live without. I lived without my books, without my comics, without my CD collection. I lived without my fancy digital SLR camera, or my Nintendo Wii, or my DVDs. This Stuff never entered my mind. I didn’t miss any of it. If I could live without these things for nearly a month — and feel liberated doing so — what might it be like to give up some of this Stuff permanently?
I’m not the only one thinking about this lately. The topic has come up several times in the Get Rich Slowly forums. Most recently, Fillanzea pointed to this brilliant essay from Paul Graham, in which he writes:
We overvalue stuff. That was a big problem for me when I had no money. I felt poor, and stuff seemed valuable, so almost instinctively I accumulated it. Friends would leave something behind when they moved, or I’d see something as I was walking down the street on trash night (beware of anything you find yourself describing as “perfectly good”), or I’d find something in almost new condition for a tenth its retail price at a garage sale. And pow, more stuff. In fact these free or nearly free things weren’t bargains, because they were worth even less than they cost. Most of the stuff I accumulated was worthless, because I didn’t need it.
What I didn’t understand was that the value of some new acquisition wasn’t the difference between its retail price and what I paid for it. It was the value I derived from it. Stuff is an extremely illiquid asset. Unless you have some plan for selling that valuable thing you got so cheaply, what difference does it make what it’s “worth?” The only way you’re ever going to extract any value from it is to use it. And if you don’t have any immediate use for it, you probably never will.
I love Graham’s suggestion to ask yourself, “Will this be something I use constantly?” before acquiring anything new. This is an excellent mantra to repeat whenever you feel the urge to buy something, no matter how much you’re paying for it, even if it’s free.
None of these thoughts are new, of course. People have been preaching about the tyranny of Stuff for years. I’ve even written about the problem once before, warning about the cost of buying things you will not use. I currently have two books at the top of my to-read pile that discuss coping with Stuff:
- Clutter’s Last Stand by Don Aslett — I’ve read parts of this, but now want to read the entire thing
- It’s All Too Much by Peter Walsh — Kris has read both of these books, and says this is the better of the two
I don’t mean to make it sound like I’m turning into an ascetic — there’s no danger of that — but I could certainly use a lot less Stuff in my life. And when I’m finished with the physical Stuff, I can work on giving up the ways of the digital packrat!
Have you wrestled with Stuff? What steps have you taken to remove clutter from your life? How did it make you feel? What suggestions do you have for those of us who are just beginning the process?
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August 10th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Great post, and I agree wholeheartedly. I don’t think people realize just how much stuff they have but don’t need.
After being in Iraq for several months, it’s not the Stuff that I miss. Everything I have now can fit in a couple bags. I’m starting to forget that I ever had a house full of junk. I wrote a post about it here:
http://sloaninvestments.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-matters.html
August 10th, 2007 at 5:30 am
Taking off from your last point, about being a digital packrat. I’m not convinced that it’s a problem at all.
What’s the major dilemma with having physical Stuff? For me, finding a place to put it all, plus worry about moving it if you have to relocate.
But that’s where digital media saves the day. My dad recently went through all of his mother’s old slides (thousands) and scanned them all in, then threw the orginals away. They were taking up too much space. Now all of those memories can be easily accessed on a hard drive, which is cheaper and smaller than any other “real” storage medium out there.
I think being a digital packrat is just fine. It’s not really that costly (a few external harddrives), and as long as you backup properly, your e-Stuff will stay with you as long as you like.
Am I ever going to look back on my high school essays one day? No. Am I really going to go back through presentations I gave in college or projects I completed? Of course not. But if the cost of keeping them around is so small, what’s the harm?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:32 am
I’ve actually been working on this myself and read It’s All Too Much. Merlin Mann has a great series of articles on 43folders.com talking about this subject as well.
Once you start clearing the stuff out, it’s scary but very liberating. I found that there’s a lot of stuff that I was keeping around, but every time I looked at it I thought, “You know I should really start working on that.” or “I should get that out again and try to learn how to play it.” (Thinking of my guitar there) Getting rid of stuff like that also gets rid of the negative, self-defeating emotions associated with it. It’s very liberating and seriously, if I was ever going to learn it, it would have been years ago when I bought the thing.
Now I’m trying to work on de-cluttering my activities. Mental clutter can be just as bad!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:39 am
I think digital storage can have a cost. It’s not trivial to either find things when you need them, or organize them so that they’re easy to find. (I have always had a humongous email inbox, because I don’t delete stuff; but that’s been a huge liability in the past, because it’s been hard to search for the things I really NEEDED. Now I actually have a decent search function for my email, so it’s better).
August 10th, 2007 at 5:45 am
This reminds of me of a quote by John D Rockefeller’s business partner:
“I wore a thin overcoat and thought how comfortable I should be when I could afford a long, thick Ulster. I carried a lunch in my pocket until I was a rich man. I trained myself in the school of self-control and self-denial. It was hard on me, but I would rather be my own tyrant than have someone else tyrannize me.”
I have this quote pinned up here at work.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:46 am
I fall into a terrible cycle of getting rid of tons of “stuff,” only to find I’ve begun to accumulate it again. I’m trying very, very hard this time to really evaluate how often I will use something before I bring it home.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:48 am
I found out the drawbacks of stuff somewhere between living in a 500-sq-ft. apartment and living in another country for short stretches of time (6 weeks and 3 months). For the 3 month trip, I brought one suitcase, and more importantly, left with one suitcase. Last time my family came to visit, my sister looked at my dresser and my closet and asked “where do you keep the rest of your clothes?” I think she can’t fathom wearing the same three pairs of jeans for years, wearing the same three sweaters for years, and always, always, always getting rid of one piece for every one that comes in.
For me, the benefit is that I know exactly what I own, and I know I’m not wasting anything by having something and not knowing it’s there, and never using it. That, and I can’t stand the sight of clutter. It makes my brain fuzzy.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:00 am
I agree with this post as well. I’ve been on a “buying freeze” for quite a while now. It’s not a “pact” or “to see if I can do it.” It’s because my husband and I now know, really know, that we don’t have the financial security that we want for our girls. I don’t want to be rich, I want to be free. And freedom is worth more than stuff.
Interestingly, I was reading through Dr. Dobson’s book, What Wives Wish Their Husbands Knew About Women. I “inherited” this book, and am not generally a big fan of Dobson. But he has a section titled “financial difficulties,” and in it he decries just this tyranny. The book was written in 1973. How many “gurus,” “analysts,” “counselors,” “educators,” and parents have to tell us these things over decades and decades before someone starts to listen? I’m listening now, but I don’t see much of it in the world at large.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:06 am
I swing back and forth on this topic. As a child I moved around a lot with the family and we constantly were purging “stuff.” I missed some of that stuff and don’t know what happened to it. My glass animal menagerie, my comic books, etc. I began to equate wealth with being in one place where you can easily accumulate stuff and never give it away. Then, I got divorced and found myself giving away far more costlier things. I kept some and those are the things I cherish now even though I didn’t when I took them. It really does all depend on how wealthy you feel you are. When I felt very wealthy, I didn’t mind releasing everything because I was sure I could replace it. When I feel impoverished, it pains me to lose things I know I can’t replace or remember everything I gave away. So, maybe it isn’t a question of physical things but how wealthy we actually feel inside. I still look around though and notice that people who seem wealthier have more stuff. So, it really is a paradox.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:13 am
I’ve made an artform of getting rid of stuff. It is sadly addicting. I look around the garage and house looking for stuff to get rid of. I am packing to move so it is continual:
http://kathyandcalvin.com/free-stuff-my-corner
August 10th, 2007 at 6:22 am
I’m in a similar spot - everything I own fits in a 12×15 room, and it still feels like there’s way too much. A couple of resource recommendations:
As Joe pointed out, Merlin Mann’s War On Clutter series (http://clutter.43folders.com) and Peter Walsh’s “It’s All Too Much” are great reads and very inspirational.
Unclutterer (http://www.unclutterer.com) is a fantastic resource, and through Unclutterer I’ve found Stuck In Stuff - the author has made the decision to limit himself to owning 100 things. He’s tracking his progress at http://http://guynameddave.typepad.com/stuckinstuff/
August 10th, 2007 at 6:27 am
Do you live near a library? Make a deal with the selector and put your books into circulation.
I had a really bad book ‘problem’ that had just recently been solved. For years I had been lugging around about 400+ books. All the problems associated with this amount of paper didn’t seem to justified by the unrealistic need to have all these book available all the time - but just getting rid of them was unthinkable, physically revolting to me. I wanted to be able to use them when I needed to and be without when I didn’t. I wanted access to my shelves of knowledge. I wished my library had owned all of them.
So I spoke to my library’s selector and offered her almost all of my books (there are always the ones you can’t bare to let go) on the condition that any she didn’t want she gave back to me. The rest be put into circulation and enjoyed by my town.
342 of my books are now in circulation, and though there is an irony in having to checkout my books (and potentially pay a late fee), and I’m sure some of my books will see wear and tear like never before - I’m down to one small bookshelf and I feel liberated.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:27 am
This post is excellent thought fodder for me…I’ve typically swung back and forth between accumulation and drastic purging of stuff. Seems I think through purging quite well, but apparently I need more practice at the thought process before accumulating STUFF.
As for suggestions for those just starting the purge process? Take it slow, one area at a time, limit the time you spend going through stuff else you may become overwhelmed and either chuck it all or keep it all. Trash it or give it away…just get it out of the house asap as you go through your stuff.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:34 am
Nothing un-packrats you like moving a lot. I’ve hopped around quite a bit (lived in 4 countries in the last 10 years, periods as a student working abroad etc) and it’s definitely turned me into a minimalist. We still probably own more than we should but have no book fetish, minimal electronic gadgets, clothes with their labels on in the closets.
I also did a possessions list for home insurance backup recently, and it was also an interesting experience. We literally listed and thought about every item we own, and both agreed the only things we’d “save in a fire” are photos and essential paperwork.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:43 am
It seems my wife and I can’t even travel 60 miles to the in-laws and spend the night without a trunk full of stuff. Clothes, laptops, backpacks, reading material. It’s pretty sad.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:43 am
I like that “Will this be something I use constantly?” question. I have a kayak which I use 1-2 times a year. It’s crazy but sometimes I look into buying a folding kayak, reasoning that if it’s easier to transport it I might use it more. I think what’s really going on is I like to imagine myself kayaking a lot. But it’s a fantasy. The fact is 9 times out of 10 I choose not to go kayaking b/c I’d rather do something else (like sit around imagining going kayaking ;).
August 10th, 2007 at 7:01 am
JD> When I go on vacation, I tend to overpack.
Heh, I know how you feel. Every year we vacation at a family cabin
very far from civilization. The cabin is on a lake, but has no
electricity or phone. We bring our kayaks, so between that, fishing,
swimming, and hiking in the near-by mountains, there’s tons of stuff
to do.
For the first few years we’d pack the car to the hilt with all sorts
of stuff. We usually go for a week at a time, and we’d both bring
multiple changes of clothes per day. Then the kids came along and we
had to pack for them. We bought a cargo-carrier thing for the roof,
it’s enormous and allowed us to bring even more stuff.
A couple of years ago I decided this was insane. As we were packing
one night before vacation I made a declaration: “I’m bringing a
bathing suit, a tank top, a pair of shorts, 2 t-shirts, a pair of
jeans, my hiking boots, my running sneakers, my Tevas, and 2-3 changes
of underwear. That’s it!”
And since then, I’ve dropped the hiking boots
My wife does the
same, and the kids bring almost nothing for changes of clothes as
well. We no longer bring the cargo carrier, since we don’t need it.
We used to pack tons of food, enough for the week. We now pack enough
food for one day and do our grocery shopping at the “nearby” town 30
miles away from the cabin.
And you know what, we still bring too much stuff! Given that we’re in
the water most of the day, and live in our bathing suits, I really
don’t need 2-3 changes of underwear, or the pair of jeans. I could
probably get away with one t-shirt as well
We’re in the water all the time. Or, we’re in the woods. When we
come out of the woods, we go in the water. There’s no one to impress,
and anyone we see up there is pretty much doing the same.
Somehow though, the car still ends up being packed fairly full

(sans the cargo carrier thing on top
August 10th, 2007 at 7:10 am
I just moved for the first time in my life (not counting trips to school) and was astonished by how much stuff I’d accumulated. Some I threw away, some I made homes for, some I left with my parents.
Last week, for the first time, I was able to travel for a weekend with just a little overnight bag and a backpack of books. And my teddy bear, but he fit in the overnight bag. It was amazing! I’ve always been prey to a fear that I’ll need something and now have it around.
Kudos on packing light for Europe! That’s even more difficult than a weekend.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:13 am
I tend to think of everything we have as rental items. I bought them and am using them but at some point I’m either going to sell them or give them away. Then I just average the cost over the time I used it and consider it a cost of being alive.
I can’t stand having too much stuff. It’s an amaazingly liberating feeling to get rid of items. I come from a long line of pack rats and never want to be one. The opportunity cost of being saddled with all that stuff is too high. My dad had a beautiful HUGE shop (24X60) but it was completely crammed with crap that he never used. In the end, he died not being able to get around in his shop very well. He wasn’t able to enjoy his nice big workshop because it was too full of junk!
August 10th, 2007 at 7:17 am
Exactly, Ben. This is exactly what happens to me.
For example, I have a nice set of Nikon camera equipment, including an SLR, a digital SLR, and several lenses. Before GRS took off, I was actually working on developing my skills as a photographer. In the past 18 months, though, I’ve done absolutely nothing with this equipment. And as it sits there, it’s doing no good for anyone. It’s cluttering my home. It’s cluttering my mental space. It’s losing value (you know how digital cameras are). If I were to at least sell the camera bodies — there’s no reason to rush to sell the lenses — I could recoup some of my investment before the model is completely outdated and somebody else could get some use out of them.
But I have this fantasy that I’ll return to photography with a storm, snapping all sorts of wonderful shots. It’s a fantasy, though.
I bought a subcompact digital point-and-shoot camera for my vacation and I loved it. It’s difficult to see me ever making the time to go back to an SLR. Sad but true.
And so that camera equipment is just more Stuff cluttering my life.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:27 am
I would encourage everyone to check their Death Clock, as it has a funny way of putting all this accumulation of stuff into perspective –
http://www.deathclock.com/
August 10th, 2007 at 7:31 am
The Tyranny of Stuff…
Admit it - You have too much “STUFF.” What can/should you do about it and why? This is a good read from “Get Rich Slowly” that may inspire you to start decluttering your life….
August 10th, 2007 at 7:34 am
@Hazzard
That’s a fabulous attitude. I’ve been packing to move this week (I’m a grad student, and I’m moving back to dorms for my last few months…) and so I’ve given various bits of furniture away on freecycle. The fact is, they cost me a few pounds, they’re worth nothing on resale, and I would have to either pay someone or rent a vehicle to move them. Not worth it. However I rely on my frequent (at least yearly) moves to actually put this into action - I imagine it requires a lot more self-discipline if you’re staying put.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:46 am
I honestly have no idea of why people rent storage areas. After several months, even years, they could buy their stuff new for the cost of rent.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:07 am
Obviously I can’t speak for all those who rent storage areas, but I expect some are doing so because they’re in-between permanent residences. Ironically, we’re helping someone empty a storage unit this weekend by purchasing some of *their* stuff which is currently in one of these units
August 10th, 2007 at 8:07 am
It’s funny that the blog post about removing ’stuff’ from your life has a Google ads banner on it…
August 10th, 2007 at 8:08 am
I’ve wrestled with stuff my entire life. My whole family suffers from some sort of packrat gene. Fabric, scraps of paper, old “things” I might start a project with - waste not, want not, sure, but it gets too tough to handle. My boyfriend has actually told me he is not visiting until I get rid of the stuff, and he will never live with me until I get rid of 3/4 of what I own.
My initial steps have been to move everything to the basement, where at least it’s out of the way. I had a book addition (english major!) so moving the books to the basement was a HUGE thing for me. Now I’m working up the courage to put my fabric there.
Having grown up poor, it’s so difficult to come to terms with “trashing” things I don’t want, as my wealthy boyfriend would put it. He owns nearly nothing - but again, I believe part of that is because he can always buy something he really needs.
My next steps are to either sell some clothing or lug it to the salvation army (more likely). It feels good watching my piles disappear
August 10th, 2007 at 8:31 am
I am, thankfully, through no effort of my own, not a packrat. I tend to view empty space as a possession in itself. When I want to acquire something I ask myself if I’m willing to give up my empty space to have it. I’m often surprised that some item I thought I wanted was not as valuable to me as the empty space I would have to give up to have it.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:39 am
I’ve moved 7 times in the last 6 1/2 years, following a Navy husband. Each time, we get rid of tons of things, and each time, it seems to creep back up. However, for this last move, we put 90% of our remaining stuff in storage (courtesy of the military so no cost) and rented a tiny apartment to save money while we looked for a house to buy - hubby just retired from his first career. We lived three months without all that stuff, and I was dreading having it come back… Yesterday was the scheduled day and the Navy movers came and swarmed our seemingly-large house. The house now feels like it has “thrown up” - boxes, old furniture I’d thought we’d gotten rid of… We’ve already decided that even though we won’t have time to go through everything, tomorrow we will have a yard sale! We lived without it for 3 months; we must not really have needed it. Very liberating, very self-empowering.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:43 am
i get rid of stuff every time i swap my winter wear for summer wear. i purge through everything in the house twice a year, and that keeps me pared down for the most part. another thing that helps is having a small place. before buying anything my first thought is, “where am i going to put it?” that really helps.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:43 am
@Amy
I totally hear you. I’ve moved seven times in the last eight years, and each time it’s a pain in the butt because of the possessions that creep back. It’s gotten much better since starting this whole frugality thing, and the next step is tackling the boyfriend’s stuff. That’s gonna be tough.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:44 am
One more thing-
Sometimes I just want to go on a retail binge. Truth is though, I rarely NEED anything I don’t already have. So I sometimes satisfy my need to spend money in one of two ways.
#1. I buy presents. No matter what month it is Christmas is going to come around. When I see something fun that’s perfect for a friend or family member and I feel like spending money-I buy it! I have a “PRESENT BOX” in my closet. I put all those goodies in it so I can find them again come present giving time. I’ve also started a present spread sheet so I can keep track of who’s bought for and who’s not.
#2. I give money away. That satisfying click, click , click of on-line purchasing can be just as satisfying when I’m giving money away.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Kris77 - good luck with the boyfriend’s stuff! Maybe get him that Peter Walsh book from the library? And I’ve found that just setting a good example by being happier with less stuff helps a lot.
Shelly - I have gotten into the gift-buying habit as well. It really helps spread Christmas spending across the year, so it’s not an all-at-once hit.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:53 am
I’ll take your Nintendo Wii if you are getting rid of it.
But seriously, lots of us have found the need to remove a bunch of gunk in our lives. I’ve started the process myself and it is painful.
More so for my wife, as it is easy for me to say “chuck it” for her stuff than mine.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:07 am
I’ve always been a huge packrat too, but less so now that I’ve moved three times, and about to move a 4th time. My parents always joked that my bedroom at home was a fire hazard. Now I’m fairly organized and don’t buy a lot, unless it’s something I know I’ll use. For instance I love to cook and like having neat little gadgets like a garlic press. I don’t need a garlic press, but it’s something I use a lot. I don’t buy books, DVDs or CDs much these days, or clothes. I just use the library. I also get rid of books, CDs, and movies very easily. I don’t hang on to clothes in case they might fit. I have never in my life lost weight on purpose, and at 28 I don’t think I’m going to start now. If I don’t use it I get rid of it. It’s so easy once you start. I also try to avoid stores unless I have something I need to shop for, otherwise I tend to come home with unplanned purchases.
I have a lot of friends who just buy whatever whenever and I don’t know how they do it. They have to be living way beyond their means. God forbid they ever lose their jobs, because they will be screwed, for a while at least.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:18 am
When you unclutter your life, can I have your Wii?
Seriously, good post. I’ve never been much of a “stuff” person, I’m the kind of person who feels trapped by a lot of stuff. But a Wii… that’s priceless.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Peter Walsh’s book is just fabulous. I’ve read it twice as part of the decluttering process for an expensive, arduous long-distance move, and it was incredibly helpful.
People who knew our previous home gasped when they saw our new place (which is much smaller) yet everything important fits beautifully.
My own way of thinking about clutter has evolved a lot. Not only have been married to packrats (twice!) I’m not without a hoarding tendency or two myself. So I’ve been struggling with the “stuff” thing for years.
How much stuff can you really deal with (use, enjoy, clean, maintain or — OUCH — even locate) on a daily/weekly/yearly basis?
The honest answer is to this is usually: A lot less than Americans have come to believe they “need”.
How much space do you have? Do NOT buy more “organizers” to cram more stuff in the same space until you think through the following question:
What’s most important in your life? Well, that’s what should be happening in the space you have. It should not be a museum or a warehouse but a relaxing place to live.
I know my grandmother would have said, “DUUHH!” to this line of thinking but really, we are probably the first generation of humans to have the unique and bizarre problem of being buried alive in our own stuff. Most of it IS “perfectly good” but if it feels like there’s too much of it around you, there probably is.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:04 am
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August 10th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Last time I moved, I gave most of my furniture away. I moved the
bed, a few family treasures and my pots and pans (I also got rid
of most of the kitchen stuff). I sold about $400 worth of
books to the used book store. I think my books are much happier
with someone who will read or use them. I did replace the couch and armchairs in the living room, the tv and the dishes.
I’m also a craft packrat. I decided to choose only 3 crafts to focus on, rather than the supplies I had for about 2000 it seemed. I chose jewelry making, knitting and crochet, and origami. All other books and supplies were sold or donated to friends. (to the woman with the fabric stash, I feel your pain LOL. I got rid of about 5 boxes of fabric to a friend who makes her living making clothes.)
All I can say is, I don’t miss the stuff at all. My next goal is to empty a storage space I share with my brother. Unfortunately, it’s in a city I used to live in and is now 5 hours away from me, and 7 hours away from by brother, in the other direction. So it
will be a bit of a production to get everything to the correct place. Then it’s ebay for most of the stuff!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 10:13 am
One of the biggest packrats I ever met was struggling with poverty. She kept everything! The first time she came to my house, she said “Where’s all your stuff?” I told her “This is all our stuff,” but she wouldn’t believe me.
I think there’s an on-going conflict for most people between the concepts of frugality and simplicity. Obviously, I tend to the simplicity side.
Strangely, the more money I accumulate in the bank, the less physical stuff I want to accumulate. Perhaps it’s because I don’t feel the need to save things for a rainy day. I know that if I really need something, I can afford to purchase it for the occasion.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:32 am
I have started decluttering in the past year (thanks to trying to do the FlyLady thing) and I have already gotten through tons of stuff.
I sold/gave away the following in the past 4 months:
- 3 bags of clothing to a resale store
- 2 bags clothing, 2 bags housewares to charity
- vintage toys to a friend
- a kitchenette table and stools (Freecycle)
- window guards (Freecycle)
- a box of craft stuff/house stuff (Freecycle)
And I still have a bag or 2 of winter clothes for the resale shop when they start buying for winter. I could probably get rid of more clothing and more comforters along the way as well.
I’m in the middle of doing the office right now and have the kitchen cabinets to contend with next. (By and large I’ve done the pantry and all other closets.)
August 10th, 2007 at 10:49 am
I don’t have anything in my house that I haven’t used in the last year, except family memorabilia (my sons’ baby books, for example).
However, I still have a lot of things. I like my things, and I use them.
It may be that my perspective is different because twice during my childhood my mother, sister, and I had to flee a dangerous situation with only the clothing on our backs; not having familiar and useful things around me represents a time of chaos and trauma in my life, and having them is my proof of overcoming those circumstances.
Like Scarlet O’Hara, I will never be hungry again.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Recently I got together with a few friends and we cataloged all the tools that we had. Between us we pretty much had everything anyone would have needed to build a house and we decided to just trade tools as needed. I ended up selling off some of my larger equipment that was duplicated in our group and it’s made life a lot easier not having to worry about my kids playing with the table saw.
If we can’t use something more than 1 a month we’ve decided to just rent or borrow it as needed. Makes life a lot easier. I wish I could get my neighbors to do the same with the lawn mower.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:37 am
My husband and I moved in together when we got married. Because we had lots of wedding stuff going on and I didn’t have a lot of time to sort through my things, I pretty much packed by just throwing my “stuff” into boxes. A few months later my husband decided he wanted to clean out the basement.
I let him go through my “stuff” and he tossed most of it. Three years later and I haven’t missed a thing.
Going through your stuff with someone (or letting them do it for you) is a good plan I believe. More often than not, if you’re a collector, you need someone to tell you that you really don’t need that do-hickey.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:42 am
I go through periodic purging of my stuff. I purged big time before my son was born 5 years ago to make room for the nursery. Then I purged even more when I was pregnant with my daughter (who is now 18 months old). I was moving my son into what was our guest room so that his sister could have the nursery. This involved cleaning out a very large closet full of just stuff. I got rid of my wedding dress during that purge which flipped my mom out (she is apparently more sentimental than I am - it wasn’t a family heirloom of any sort nor was it an expensive dress).
Anyway, all the purging and rearranging made us realize how much space our house really had in it. Saved us a lot of money in the end because we did not feel the urge to move to a larger house like many of our friends did with the expansion of their family.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:44 am
My dad likes to say “If you don’t buy it, you could save even more.” So those deals and must haves of stuff, well, just say to yourself, “Hey, if I don’t get it, I can really save!” This really works when applied to things you want but don’t need. Or as the boyfriend would say “You have two feet, how many pairs of shoes do you need?”
August 10th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Ok, that’s it! I’m cleaning house! Clear it out! Watch out junk, here I come! (Please note the determination in my tone)
August 10th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Mate, it took a ridiculously expensive (purely based on the exchange rate) trip to realise that you don’t need stuff. Good. Move on. You are not the sum total of your possessions.
I was hoping you’d learnt something profound from you trip that I could use against my compatriots.
BTW if anyone is looking for some supportive people to help them declutter, I cannot recommend enough the forum at http://www.organizedhome.com.
August 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Be careful with what you purge like the woman in Elmira who sold a ceramic turtle with her husband’s ex-wife’s ashes.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny-odd–ashes-sold0806aug06,0,6576703.story
There’s a fine line between junk and memorabilia. The woman got lucky thanks to an anonymous tipster.
Books are something I struggle with. I haven’t purchased any except a cookbook in March that I rarely use. The Internet’s a great resource for all kinds of recipes. On the one kind they say knowledge is power and you can’t measure your wealth without the help of books. And when I read of CEOs and their vast libraries I wonder if we’re purging good books at the expense of space.
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=FA0613FA3E550C728EDDAE0894DF404482
August 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I’ve recently started watching “Clean House” on the Fashion Channel. It and my clutter have inspired me to start throwing or giving away all those projects and parts I’ve packed away–VCRs that “only need a belt”, old wood, used car parts, all my stuff that my friends have been calling “junk” for years but I was sure I’d use or fix or sell eventually. You know–I feel richer now than I did, and I am starting to feel organized again. Still working on it, but so happy I’ve started, and the house looks so much better, and I have a clearer mind.
I’ve found giving it away is much easier than throwing it out–if I can believe someone else will use it, it’s much easier. I don’t need the money now, so I certainly don’t miss the junk, and love the extra space.
August 10th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
I have read the Peter Walsh book, and it was fabulous!!! My husband and I have two households currenty. One we are trying to sell in another state, and one I am living in while we try to sell the other one. (Sounds more complicated than it really is.) We purged before I moved out of state. We purged when I moved from an apartment to a small house, and we have borrowed a realtor’s furniture to stage our house that we are selling. It is so liberating!
I find that once I purged the second time, I have not had the urge to buy more stuff. My house is becoming organized, as is our finances, and now so is my health life as well. You just feel better when you have things under control.
Great article!!
August 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
I love Plonkee’s comment about how we’re not the sum total of our possessions … I think many people buy stuff for its symbolic value rather than for its useful, functional value. You know, Object X shows that one is fashionable, Object Y shows that one is wealthy, Object Z shows that one is an intellectual. Then people play this game of displaying and exchanging these symbols w/ one another, tho the objects themselves have no true value to the person other than what they represent. As Tyler Durden said in Fight Club, “You are not your f*cking Khakis!”
August 10th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
I get rid of stuff in stages. For me, things hold an emotional attachment for about 5-10 years, depending on the item. So for one I try not to collect too much stuff. But when I do have an overabundance of stuff, I go through it, look at it, and just start throwing stuff away that I can’t remember the significance of. If you do this on a fairly regular basis, you’ll tend to throw more stuff out, especially after the fourth or fifth time you’ve seen it.
August 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Two things sprang to mind reading your article: Firstly we too recently visited the UK with a family of 4. With two large suitcases and two small suitcases. I realise now we could have done with only one large suitcase and the two smaller ones. The day after we arrived we stayed with family and left behind one of the large suitcases for two weeks as we went on to visit another branch of the family. We didn’t miss that stuff at all. I didn’t need a laptop. When we needed clothes for the kids we found an op shop over there, and the kids are now addicted to their “England clothes”.
The other thing I learnt from our trip, is that our family of (soon to be) 5, does NOT need a 4 or 5 bedroom house full of junk! We lived comfortably over there with 3 adults and 2 kids in a 3 bedroom townhouse. Our house is relatively clutter free, but our double garage is FULL OF STUFF. Coincidentally we’re moving next year, and have organised next weekend, child free, to clean it out and pack it. It’s been bugging me for ages, but I can’t do it while the kids are around. I can’t wait to chuck some more stuff out!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
J.D., you come from a long line of pack rats. My dad was one, and I am one as well. From time to time, I think about how I would like to clear out the upstairs rooms, which right now are my own personal “rat’s nests”, but I am unable to lift some of the boxes or figure out where else to store such things as gifts I have accumulated for giving later and the wrapping paper with which to wrap them.
Those last hark back to Kris’s excellent article before you guys left for Europe on gift-giving, and it seems that I feel my major role as a parent and grandparent now is to give gifts at the appropriate occasions. I’m not always confident that I am giving items that will be used or appreciated, but I know that it’s the thought that counts and a lot of love does go into them from me. On the other hand, though, some of the items I don’t know what to do with are gift items I have received. I have run out of room in which to store them.
One of the worst of these accumulation-situations involves a sweet online friend of mine who has similar interests — cats and scrapbooking — and with whom I exchange gifts each birthday and Christmas-time. We send each other not one or two items but more like 8 or 10. I keep thinking that we really do have to cut back on giving so much each time but I don’t quite know how to tell her, and it’s fun to receive all the goodies. However, they become part of the stuff that I don’t know what to do with. My most recent tactic has been to cut back on the number of items I send her on the special occasions. She’s like a sister to me, though, so it’s difficult to not keep this out-of-control gift exchanging going!
I have seen stories on TV about elderly people who collected so much stuff that they could hardly find a pathway to walk through their house. I truly don’t want to be that kind of old person, and I’m not so far. This article is of great interest to me, however, because it definitely has me thinking about what to do with my own unneeded possessions.
One note, though, and this may or may not be true, and it goes back to the psychological aspect of collecting things, but I’m wondering if — as the oldest siblings — our pack-rat-itis has stemmed from the feeling that these things are “mine”, a psychic stance we developed due to having younger siblings who were always taking and playing with and sometimes ruining our stuff?
Whatever the reasons, it’s good to get over them. For me, that would start with a first step: Overcoming my computer addiction, which keeps me from focusing on getting rid of the extra stuff I have accumulated in the first place. But that’s another subject altogether.
August 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Good Lord J.D.’s mom is funny. Tell you what, if my almost 70 year old mother replied to one of my blogs I think I would fall over dead from a heart attack.
You go girl!
-Kathy
August 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
I know exactly what caused my packrat tendencies, and parents would do well to note this: My mother was an insufferable neat freak, this caused friction many times. Many of my most vivid memories of my youngest years are framed in the pain of a child who lost treasured things to a neatnik who never thought to ask what her children found valuable. This has left an indelible stamp on my personality that says neatness means the loss of valued things. Even with the most disastrous consequences resulting, I am basically incapable of being neat. Simple room cleaning sessions can drive me to tears.
Consider carefully the wisdom of chucking out your kids “junk” without their involvement.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
Ben’s kayak is the perfect example of the sort of conundrum I find myself in when I think about getting really draconian with my decluttering efforts. I don’t have a kayak, but I do have a bunch of stuff that I don’t use very often. I only go camping once every year or two, and the rest of the time my gear is just taking up space. But if I got rid of it, I’d either have to rent gear (which means camping becomes more of a hassle and the gear is more likely to be worn or damaged) or give up camping. Thus far, I’ve resisted getting rid of things I’ll wish I had in the future.
I have much less trouble turfing out things that I have replaced, because I know I won’t need them anymore. I recently bought a DSLR, so I immediately gave my old film SLR to my girlfriend and my digital p&s to my brother. My new camera covers all the situations where I would want to use the old ones. Things I use occasionally, but not often, are more difficult.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Does anyone else write “proposals” when they buy stuff. I came up with this idea, and I’m using now for a few things.
What you do is that you have to write a business style “proposal” to yourself stating what you want, the cost, the advantages (why you need it, and the disadvantages (why you don’t need it). Once you’ve done a write-up that you feel is suitable, put the proposal away for a day or so, and then read it again.
When I make mental “proposals” to myself, I often find that I no longer want what i intended to buy. I imagine that after writing everything out, then looking at what I’ve written after the initial consumer lust wears off, will help in deciding what is a good purchase and what is not.
Whatever you do J.D., don’t let the Wii go!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I think the important thing is to decide what “stuff” is important to you and what things aren’t. My books and piano are very important to me. However, I don’t have a television, game console, grill, or a host of other things that many people seem to consider necessities.
One thing that is often overlooked is how expensive it is to find “stuff” that is perfect for you. For example, I looked at or tried out about 10 wallets before I finally found one I liked.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
From Thoreau’s ‘Walden’ - “a man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone”
August 10th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
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August 11th, 2007 at 4:42 am
dickey #24 says:
I honestly have no idea of why people rent storage areas. After several months, even years, they could buy their stuff new for the cost of rent.
well, we chose to rent a large storage space. the biggest one Uncle Bob’s had — for 100 dollars a month.
Why? we live in a 1500 square foot house. we have hobbies (SCA, historical re-enactment) which take up a lot of space. we like and need the stuff that goes with hobbies.
my hubby has a wood shop in the garage. he built most of the furniture in our house.
the house is practically paid for and we don’t want to move. so the “large room” we buy at Uncle Bob’s is well worth it so we are not tripping over medieval tent poles in the entry hall.
The hurricane shutters also take up a lot of space and those are stored out there as well.
regards!
August 11th, 2007 at 5:01 am
me again. we have a free-cycle program in our neighborhood. it’s the custom when one wants to get rid of something “good”, one puts in on the curb in front of the house. usually it’s gone within the hour.
I don’t have time to deal or sell things on ebay. my philosophy is “let it go to someone who will use it or treasure it.” I have never missed anything I put out front for giveaway.
August 11th, 2007 at 9:04 am
If we could stop getting self confidence and pleasure from buying things, we could break the habit that leads to having too much stuff.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
I’ve donated all my books that are easily replaced from the library - the classics, mysteries, etc. The only ones we still have are irreplaceable ones like my collection of 40s and 50s home economic textbooks and unusual older books I have.
Right now I am moving in a week and we hardly have any stuff to pack. It’s a pleasure.
August 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
I don’t acquire a lot of stuff, but I have a hard time letting go of stuff from my past (especially childhood and college days). Today I sorted through my closets and basement storage, and filled up a few bags with sweaters, shoes, and other stuff that I’ve been keeping for years (in some cases, 25+ years).
In the basement storage, I managed to create a lot of space by doing one simple thing: getting rid of empty boxes and bags. I used to move around quite a bit, so I had a habit of keeping empty boxes and bags for the next move. But now that I’m in my home to stay for a while, I figured I could let go and recycle.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:26 am
I prefer the wisdom of Mr. Carlin:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
August 12th, 2007 at 10:20 am
I totally agree with you. I have a rule that for every one thing I buy, I must donate 3 things. It’s still not hard for me to find things to donate, and I’ve been doing this for about 6 years now. But, we have significantly fewer things than other people that I know.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
I’ve read part of “It’s All Too Much” and one thing that has stuck with me is the collecting of high school track ribbons. I have a box of stuff like that in the basement. I don’t know how to get rid of it. I cling to it for some odd and unknown reason.
I guess I’m also a packrat, it’s hard to actually acknowlege that. I am very organized, but would surely like to rid myself of much of the stuff. I enjoyed the post; it has inspired me to think about taking action.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
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August 13th, 2007 at 5:14 am
I had a similar experience when my wife and I returned from Paris back in July. We have so much stuff that does little more than take up space and costs money. I’ve slowly been purging all sorts of things and the results are somewhat frightening; when you throw out 7 bags of junk and recycling from a room to notice it looks about the same makes you want to throw your hands up in defeat.
The other thing I really noticed was the fact that everything is so much larger and so much more inefficient in North America.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
I think the trick is to be clear on what you want and what you don’t want.
I don’t want to find that treasured, out-of-print books and comics have been thrown out. That happened to a high school friend, since her mom couldn’t understand why she’d want to re-read anything and “what do you need them for?”
Of course, I confess that I am puzzled by the friend who is sentimentally attached to her huge drawers of cosmetics. She remembers when she bought each and why; each item has stories and memories attached. She wants them accessible, even if she doesn’t use them all at once. I don’t get it. But then, I don’t have to.
We all have our own treasures. Some we outgrow. Sometimes we go overboard, and then swing back. Life is change
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
How does “uncluttering” affect the pantry principle?
AKA, how do you determine which things are worth getting a price discount by buying in bulk, and which things are “clutter”?
August 14th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Hello. Did everyone see the woman with the 84-square-foot house (click name link if interested)?
August 15th, 2007 at 5:00 am
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August 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
I find it interesting that no one has replied to Kai’s comment (# @42).
August 20th, 2007 at 9:45 am
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September 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
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Old (or the beginning of Fall) Oddly enough, after watching Shoot ‘Em Up on Saturday, my knees felt like they were tightening up. Later that night, they got so tight that is was painful to transition between sitting and standing…….
September 11th, 2007 at 5:01 am
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October 1st, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Definitely feeling this article! I am slowly divesting myself of my stuff. It is quite a challenge without a car! Every time I walk into town I take a rucksack of books with me to give to the charity shop. I tend to apply the six-month rule: if I haven’t read/worn/used it in six months, it goes.
October 15th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
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October 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
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November 6th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Someone, somewhere in these postings, asked the question: How often do we have to be told, by how many people and for how long, before we start to listen?
I just read the article and most of the postings and see myself in every one! I’m also trying to help my mother, who is completely trapped inside her house, filled with 30 years of memories and clutter. She lives alone now in a 3 story house filled with STUFF. My grandmother was the same way and I am fully convinced that this condition is somehow hereditary…
I thought I had broken out of the mold until recently when I made a move from NJ to ME. We had a large apartment in NJ and I didn’t think of it as “cluttered”. Everyone complimented us on our decorating style and layout of our space. However, when we contacted moving companies and they estimated the size truck we would need to move our STUFF, they told us they didn’t have a large enough truck available. Their largest truck was 26′ long!
When the full sized 18 Wheeler pulled up in front of our apartment to move our STUFF on moving day, I was shocked and embarrassed. Our neighbors stared. They asked us “Where did you keep it all…?”. And I had a huge moving sale right before where I congratulated myself on getting rid of so much that we didn’t use or need! Apparently it was not enough.
Now we have a beautiful house in Maine but it is really twice as much space as we need, mostly because we needed someplace to put all our stuff! I keep rationalizing that our family will grow and will need that extra space someday and that I want to have room so that friends are family are welcome… but the reality is, I need to convince myself that the 18 wheeler that was FULL when we moved wasn’t as ridiculous as it felt that day when it pulled up in front of our apartment…
November 12th, 2007 at 11:55 am
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December 31st, 2007 at 5:42 am
I’m a recovered shopaholic, and since I discovered the joys of pondered purchases, swapping and giving away stuff I feel like I’m living in a healthier way. The irony is that I haven’t lost pleasure in shopping, in fact I got more pleasure and less guilty feelings from buying something I really like, of good quality, which I know I won’t get tired of. An object of beauty is a joy forever after all and it should be so.
Funny thing is I’m still seen as the squanderer one by some people, for example my almost-mother-in-law. She only buys stuff if it’s cheap and she can’t resist the temptations of a sale or a stock market. She owns lots of stuff, so much more than me. Her 2 bathrooms are full of different creams, deodorants of various brands, etc while I use few but very good products - some are ecological - and I always use every tube and bottle to the end. I wonder if totally she has spent less money than me, or much more…
February 28th, 2008 at 5:00 am
[...] I used to believe that “wealth” meant being able to buy whatever I wanted. I felt rich if I could buy something new, even if I were purchasing it on credit. Over the past couple years, however, I’ve learned to take pleasure in the things I already own. Why do I need more comic books when I already have a large library of them? Why do I need to own another bike? What will a new chair do for me that my existing chair does not? If anything, I want less stuff. [...]
February 28th, 2008 at 7:42 am
My sister has a great system that I use to evaluate my things. They need to fit into one of three categories, otherwise they get chucked/recycled/sold:
Need it
Use it
Flaunt it
Seemingly simple, right?
Some things you “need”, even rarely. I -need- extra fuses for my basement box. Be judicious with this one, as it’s an easy place to hide things you can’t bear to part with.
Some things you “use”. Dish soap. Skis. A microwave. My computer. I don’t -need- them, but they get regular use.
Some things you “flaunt”. This includes my athletic ribbons and medals (on a shelf). My pictures I have framed on the wall. This one was difficult for me, because I had so many “special” things I had kept, but if I didn’t flaunt them, what was the point? Take the time to give them the space they deserve so you (and others) can appreciate them, or get rid of them.
Need it, use it, or flaunt it. It’s the thrifty version of “wed-bed-lead” (marry, sleep with, or kill: a juvenile game to evaluate the opposite sex)
March 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
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March 6th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Excellent point. Although my rule of thumb is that I when I die, whatever I have left my kids will want and will not have to have a garage sale to get rid of my stuff (i.e. he who dies with the least junk wins!).
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April 25th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
if you don’t use it, chuck it, sell it or give it to someone who can use it. this rule is simple and it makes sense.