Should You Write ‘SEE ID’ or Sign Your Credit Cards? Print
Tuesday, 9th June 2009 (by J.D.)This article is about Credit Cards, Money Hacks, Odds and Ends
Last week I had lunch with Hardy, a Get Rich Slowly reader here in Portland. We chatted about life (and personal finance) over burgers and fries. He generously offered to pay the bill. When the waitress returned with the credit card slip, she asked to see his driver license.
“What was that all about?” I asked.
“Asking for my ID?” said Hardy. I nodded. He flipped over his credit card and showed it to me. He’d written SEE ID where his signature ought to be.
“Does that work?” I asked.
“Some of the time,” he said. “It gives you an idea of which places are paying attention. But not every place will accept it. It’s technically against the rules because the card has to be signed. Plus, businesses aren’t really allowed to ask to see your ID.”
“What do you do if they refuse to take your card?” I asked.
“I carry a backup,” said Hardy. “This is my main card. My back-up card has my signature, but I rarely have to use it. The only place that I know will refuse the main card every time is the post office. I have to use a signed card there.”
I was intrigued by this attempt to thwart identity theft, so when I got home I asked my Twitter followers:
My lunch companion doesn’t sign credit cards, but writes “SEE ID” on the back instead. Have you ever seen this?
I was shocked by the number of replies. Apparently, I’ve been living under a rock. Over 100 Twitter users replied to share their experiences with this tactic. Here’s what I learned:
- Though many people write some form of “SEE ID” on their cards, it doesn’t seem to matter. @khaibit2763 writes that only about a quarter of merchants actually check ID. Others write that almost nobody checks.
- Many tweeters correctly noted that most credit cards clearly state that they are “not valid unless signed”. Technically, writing “SEE ID” invalidates the card and voids the contract with the issuer. Still, not all issuers seem to be aware of this. I found this ID-theft awareness brochure [PDF] from Capital One which notes that one way to protect your cards is to “write that the merchant must check ID on the back of the card”.
- @lildebbie77 made me laugh with her reply: “When I waited tables I saw it once or twice a month. The craziness? Some people get mad when you ask to see their ID.” If you choose to do this, don’t get upset when people comply with your request!
- @katekashman uses a slightly different tactic. She leaves the “call to activate” sticker on the card. “Maybe a thief will think it isn’t activated,” she writes. “It isn’t much, but it’s something.”
- @lizweston noted that this is one of her 9 big credit card myths at MSN Money. In her article, she writes, “You’ll certainly deter use of your card, because merchants aren’t supposed to accept one that’s not signed on the back, and that could affect you as much as any thief.” (Sidenote: Liz will be our guest on The Personal Finance Hour in two weeks!)
- If you want to cover your bases, consider the advice from @aslaughter: sign the card and write SEE ID. And thank the people who actually ask to see your identification.
So, is writing “SEE ID” instead of signing your credit cards a good idea? It’s hard to say. Technically, it’s against the rules, and few merchants seem to notice, but it gives many folks a warm, fuzzy feeling. Plus, if you’re worried about your card being rejected, you can always do what Hardy does: carry a back-up to use at the Post Office.
Here’s a final word of caution: Jake Billo notes that if you present both your credit card and driver license to a skilled criminal, you’re just giving them more ammunition to destroy your life. He warns that this practice may actually increase your risk of identity theft.
For more tips on protecting your ID, check out my post on how to prevent identity theft. You might also be entertained by the credit-card prank over at Zug. Photo by szlea. If you’d like to help with future GRS posts, follow me on Twitter!

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June 9th, 2009 at 5:06 am
i used to only write “See ID” on my cards, but stopped when i learned it’s against card issuer rules to ask. now, i write both…and applaud those employees who do actually read the signature strip.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:08 am
I sign the card, then, with a little space left write, “Ask for ID.” This works everywhere, Post Office included.
It is signed as required, but also notifies the reviewer to check me out.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Is there any reason not to both sign and write “SEE ID” on the back of the card? At worst, I suppose you’d have to sign the credit receipt with both your name and the tag “SEE ID” if you ran into an ultra-picky merchant (like the post office).
June 9th, 2009 at 5:14 am
Signing your card is asinine as it means when someone steals your card they also have a signature to copy when they sign.
I don’t care that the card says it has to be signed. I never sign mine. I leave them blank.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:17 am
I think I’ve been living under a rock too. In the UK, I’ve never come across this, although signing receipts is now somewhat outdated as almost every card is being issued with a chip to use in a chip & pin reader. My question however is thus: if you write SEE ID on your card and they don’t ask to see it, then does this not make you more susceptible to fraud because they’re not checking your identity in any way… that’s just my 2¢.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:23 am
I’ve found the post office to be the only place that cares or even asks to see my card when making a purchase.
I’ve started drawing smiley faces and other silly things. No one checks anymore.
I remember when it used to take an extra 30 seconds (or longer) for a cashier to inspect a signature and ID when someone paid with a check. I was always scared they’d reject it because I parted my hair differently.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:24 am
I do this on all my cards, I don’t carry and signed backups, the way I see it, if you don’t want to accept my card, you don’t want my business, I can go elsewhere just the same. I’ve never had my cards rejected, not even at the post office, even though they used to post that everywhere (they don’t seem to anymore around here…). I’ve actually noticed more merchants asking for ID lately, which I think is great, I always thank them for doing so, I never get annoyed (well, other than when they’ve already seen your ID, like to get into a liquor store, or other places where you have to show your ID to pick something up etc… ok, you’ve already seen it, why ask again?).
I think they should put your picture on the back of the card like they do on some cards already… a few years ago I had a debit/credit card from a German bank that was like that, it was great, I wish this would take of more.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:24 am
You’re not alone under your rock, JD, because I have not heard of this before either.
I also like the idea of having a picture on the card. So many CC companies let you “personalize” your card with a picture, so why not one of you.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:25 am
I have been doing this for a few years, and unfortunately almost no one checks my ID. I usually only get checked a few times per year. So, while I think that this is a great idea, I also feel that the majority of cashiers are indifferent when it comes to our security.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:27 am
I’ve never signed any of my cards. I don’t intend to give a would be thief my signature to copy. I leave all my cards blank and about 1/2rd of the merchants I deal with ask to see my ID. Most of the time, I’m shopping at locations where you swipe your own card, so the cashier never actually sees if there is a signature or not.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:32 am
When I use my credit card in a store or shop, the vendor rarely even takes it anymore. At the register, I am required to slide it through the reader and then hit either “Debit” or “Credit”.
Sometimes I actually sign a paper receipt with ink, but more often, I actually sign the screen with a stylus. In either case, the cashier never even looks at my card.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:34 am
I’ve been doing this for 6 years. I use my credit card nearly every day*, and maybe once a month someone notices and asks to see my ID.
* - yeah, yeah I know, cash is better. FWIW, I do pay the balance in full every month.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Here’s a funny website related to credit card signatures and what great lengths you must go to in order to have merchants take a look:
http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/
On a serious note, it’s probably best not to sweat over this too much. All major credit cards (Visa and Mastercard, at least) don’t hold you liable at all for fraudulent transactions.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:39 am
“Technically, it’s against the rules, and few merchants seem to notice, but it gives many folks a warm, fuzzy feeling”
Oh, no, the cashier certainly notices. They are either not allowed to request ID, or have tried in the past and gave up.
When I was a cashier, we used to hate the people who wrote SEE ID instead of signing (people who wrote SEE ID as well as signing were fine) because we had sooooo many people get really upset and start yelling if we asked to see their ID. Finally, the manager said we were not allowed to ask to see their ID, even if their card requested we do so (technically, merchant’s aren’t allowed to ask for ID anyway).
So yes, the merchants notice. We’re just usually not allowed to ask, or find it too much of a bother to ask. It gets very wearying to try and protect someone’s identity (by complying with their own request to check their ID) when you get yelled at for your efforts. Eventually, you just give up and don’t care anymore if that person has their credit card stolen. For $6.90 an hour, as a high school student, it just wasn’t worth it to me to get yelled at for trying to help.
I’m not sure if it’s true anymore, in these days of no-signature-required credit card purchases, but in the past people who don’t sign their cards or write SEE ID were at the most risk. If a thief stole your card, they can simply sign it themselves - and then their signature will match “yours” for sure!
June 9th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I have see ID written in bold black ink on the back of each of my cards. I get asked 75 or 80% of the time to see my ID. I always thank them for checking. I use my cards every day and all over the country.
As has been said, the Post Office is the ONLY place that has ever given me a hard time about using a card that has not been signed and says SEE ID. Those guys crack me up.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:41 am
I agree with Chad. I used to write “See ID” on my credit cards and sometimes people would ask. But then I realized most people don’t even look at the back at all. So now I write “Smile” or “Thank you” on the back of my cards, so that way if people even take the time to look they get some immediate recognition. It has lead to several smiles and several “WTF?”s, which are both good for me.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Your reader you ate with may be missing one big thing. If an id theif takes his card, it’s probably because he took his entire wallet. If I see two cars in a wallet and one only has the sig, I’m just going to use that one. Perhaps I’d use the seeID one online or something.
Most ID theft does not happen at the physical credit card level. It happens when someone hacks into a sales server and takes thousands of card numbers at once. Putting “see ID” on a card to protect from ID theft is akin to putting sunscreen on one shoulder and spending 10 hours at the beach.
I for one sign my cards but it makes no difference. You know how it says “not valid unless signed”? My fiance has never once signed any credit or debit card, she leaves it blank. Never had a single person question it.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Jennifer - leaving the line blank really won’t help you. A theif would simply sign your name in their own handwriting!
June 9th, 2009 at 6:00 am
I don’t sign my cards and actually get asked often for my ID, which is my goal. I have also seen employees looked at the back, see it unsigned, and just hand it back to me. One thing I have been told, not sure if it’s true or not, is that a thief using an unsigned card can be charged with that offense, but if you have it signed and they sign for the purchase, its forgery. As with an unsigned card, they aren’t technically forging your name, just making an unauhorized purchase. Anyone know if this is true? My preferred option, shopping at places that allow me to always keep possession of my card. I have one card that I used when wait staff needs to take the card out of my site.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:02 am
some clarification: per VISA rules (dunno about others), a merchant is allowed to ask for ID (regardless of if the card is signed or not or says “SEE ID”), but the merchant can’t make seeing an ID a requirement of completing the sale (if the card is signed). i sign my cards. and i don’t show id. i don’t need a stranger having access to my credit card number, exp date, special 3-digit number on the back, my name, my date of birth, my driver’s license number, AND my address. from my point of view, giving all that information away will make me more susceptible to identity theft than just my card and signature. besides, if someone gets my card, they ain’t going to use it at the dollar store. they’re going to best buy where u scan it yourself and don’t even hand it over. and it’s not like signatures are ever checked, i usually just scribble nonsense anyway. fraud is stopped by visa, etc. when their sophisticated algorithms see fraudulent looking behavior on the card.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:04 am
To Jennifer, and those who don’t bother signing your card at all, aren’t you just making it easier for the thief to just make up a signature? Thus, it makes it easier for them to use your card and in the event that the cashier checks the signature, it will be identical and there will be no delay for them to use your card multiple times before you’ve noticed your card has gone missing and get it cancelled.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:05 am
This was one of my biggest pet peeves when I was working at a register job. These people always handed me their credit card without their ID, and then acted shocked if I asked them for their ID. Then they actually had the nerve to scold me if I didn’t check their ID!
It is NOT the merchant’s responsibility to protect you from identity theft. Keep track of your own credit card!
I have seen a lot of people with credit cards that have a little picture of them on the front. At Bank of America it is called Photo Security, and CitiBank has a Photocard too. This is less intrusive, because it’s built into the card, and you’re still signing the back like you’re supposed to. But, just like no one is going to get out a magnifying glass and inspect your signature, no one is really going to take a long look at that picture. It’s not their job.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I personally wouldn’t like to not sign my card. For me, if it says “Not valid unless signed”, that’s a potential problem if there’s a problem with goods and a savvy seller tries to refuse to give me a refund. Anyway, with all the chip&pin technology, who actually asks people to sign any more?
June 9th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Hello JD,
I just wanted to let you know that I am (sadly) unsubscribing from your blog. Though there is a lot of excellent material here, your feed format changed to delivering summaries to bloglines. Even though I have bloglines set to receive your full posts I don’t get them. If I wanted to read directly from your site, I wouldn’t be subscribed through a reader! I just wanted you to know that this behavior in bloglines is irritating enough that I just won’t read your site anymore. I realize there is probably some beneficial trade off for you, and you can’t always please everyone. I just wanted to provide my viewpoint. Thanks for inspiring me to better manage my money.
J.D.’s response: From what I can tell, GRS should still be serving full feeds via RSS. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Are you receiving partial feeds when you want full feeds?
June 9th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Man, reading these and the twitter comments from ex-cashiers and waiters makes me feel quite bad for them in this situation. Another headache they have to deal with. Be nice to cashiers, people!
June 9th, 2009 at 6:14 am
MY brother in law has “CID” in permanent marker on the front of his. I think he said someone at a liquor store did it for him, saying the writing on the back is useless. He gets asked a lot more now.
I like having the extra ID check when I use mine, but honestly it is pretty worthless. Most big name stores have self-swipes for using your card now. No one even sees the card.
Mine isn’t signed (I never think about it when I have a pen around) and that gets a lot of people to check, but I’ve never had it checked at a resturaunt like your friend.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:21 am
I wrote “See ID” on a past credit card. I only ever recall someone actually asking for my ID once or twice. Most of the time nobody even checks. I never had anyone refuse the card.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:24 am
I just wrote See ID on the front of my Visa. Thanks for the tip, Jon. I’ll see if it works.
The back of mine have both signature and See ID, I only get asked about half the time. Some places like Target don’t bother to ask for an ID or have you sign if it’s less than a certain amount.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I’m from Europe and today 90% of our credit cards are authorized by PIN code so the risk of fraud is limited.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I work part time at a local mall. Many people have not even signed their cards (Yikes!). One lady did sign it, managed to still write “see ID” on it and added “5′4″ brown eyes/hair, glasses”! A co-worker of mine used to work fraud at a bank card company and has lots of horror stories. He saw one of those cards with a photo on it - someone had stolen the card and attempted to glue their own photo over the one of the actual card holder. When someone gets grumpy over my asking for ID - I assure people I want to make sure they are the one having fun spending their hard earned money - not someone else
June 9th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Very clever idea, but that only works in real life (not online or “onphone”) and provided the person accepting it reads and takes the time . . .
June 9th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I write See Id on my credit card and virtually no one asks to see my ID- I offer it and they wave it away.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:38 am
I had my card completely unsigned for over a year. One day I used it on vacation in the island of Dumaguete in Philippines and I was forced to sign it.
These days I sign my credit card Aaron Burr.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I haven’t worked retail since 1997, but I used to see “SEE ID” on peoples credit cards all the time. I always thought it was a good policy, and many of the folks that did it would tell me that no one ever checks. I also used to give people with unsigned cards a pen so that they could sign their cards. Many didn’t and would tell me that they didn’t sign their cards to keep thieves from stealing them… But then wouldn’t a thief just sign the card??
Others would just scribble instead of signing a real signature, saying that it was too hard to duplicate. I guess thieves can’t scribble?? In the end, a signature is a poor way of confirming identity in this day and age.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:44 am
I do this on my cards. Here is my thought on this. If my wallet is stolen or I lose it, and they look at the charge cards and see that on the card, the thief might possibly just throw them away instead of using the cards. Hopefully my wallet never gets lost or stolen!
June 9th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Golly, I thought I invented that many years ago
The thinking behind this is that when you sign the card, you give the thief exactly what he/she needs to pull of their scam, they know how to sign your name. Secondly, a photo ID is required so they can match the face (Much harder to forge).
It worked well for me as I have a signature which is not my complete name. (We only have a debit card now).
The idea came about 12 years ago when an aquaintence had her purse stolen. With minutes checks and credit charges were flowing. The thief knew just how to sign each slip or check.
It works well in Minnesota as the merchants are now much more concerned about the issue (Does not work at the Post office).
These days, a smart thief will simply buy gas and make purchases under $25 when no signature is required. Clerks don’t even look at the card anymore for these “small” purchases. Easy pickins.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:56 am
No point in having extra hassle of SEE ID on your card because a) as others have stated, merchants don’t care. b) If I lost my wallet, I’m calling up my CC companies and canceling my card before it can get used and disputing any charges that do get through, if any.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I do this. I’ve never had anyone reject it, and it has resulted in a few more instances where my ID was checked. When they do check my license I make sure to thank them for doing their job. Then again, I also do this if a cashier checks my license when I’m buying alcohol.
I have a somewhat sloppy signature that probably wouldn’t be too difficult to fake. One thing that I don’t like about signing the back of the card is that it just gives the potential thief something to reference should you lose your card.
If I lose my card there will be an increased chance that someone will ask for ID and when the fraud signs they’ll have no reference — unless I lose my whole wallet, but I would notice that immediately. I don’t worry about someone taking my ID because I’ve never been asked to hand it over, just show it to prove that I’m the card holder. It doesn’t leave my sight.
I think this needs to change, though. Instead the card companies should require that you check ID on purchases over a certain amount. The signature should be on file at the company and they should make an effort to build a signature database so that you can review the signatures on your purchases. This way there’s no reference for thieves and you can police things yourself. Of course, signatures are worthless when they’re on those low resolution digital pads. Can’t win.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I used to do this, but I don’t think it makes a difference. I feel like most places I shop don’t even bother looking at the back any more. It’s better practice to have a list of numbers to call at home and keep an eye on your account from home.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:09 am
The only place I’ve worked I always checked ID was at Claire’s Boutique. The places I never checked included restaurants even when the tabs were huge. At popular retailers I ONLY checked cards that said “SEE ID” otherwise I just thought people with unsigned cards were silly to leave it blank for the criminal to sign in their own handwriting to make it easier to sign receipts. All the rest of the time I just checked the signature, and I’m an ameteur handwriting comparison specialist, not an expert!
Easiest solution? Sign the card and write in bold (over and over the top of the words) SEE ID, so that the person knows the card is valid but knows you want the person to check ID.
I have also customized my card to have my picture on the front. People don’t think I look like the picture but they certainly pay more attention to the picture than they ever did to the back of my card.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Isn’t it against the store’s merchant agreement to ask for ID? I’m not sure if the card user writing “See ID” is enough to get around that or not.
Personally, I sign my cards, but no one looks at them anyway. My wife has used my card before and signed HER name with no questions asked. Most of the time the clerk doesn’t even check the card anyway - with the increasing number of electronic terminals to sign on, not to mention the under $25 rule.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:17 am
been doing this for years, nobody really checks and i can say that i even use it at the post office and they don’t ask to see it either
June 9th, 2009 at 7:18 am
My boyfriend has “See ID” written on his card. He doesn’t always get asked, but gives a sincere thank you when asked. I’ve never heard him mention being turned down anywhere. And he’s not surrendering his drivers license to anyone, just showing it from his wallet, so no one can really steal info from it that way.
My thought on it is that it probably doesn’t do much to deter theft because the same places that don’t check his id don’t check signatures, and I dont see him changing his purchase behavior based on who asks and doesn’t ask.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:25 am
My wife is a see IDer, I’m a signer. People rarely ask to see her ID, but when they do she smiles and thanks them.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:26 am
I’ve been doing this for about 8 or 9 years while living in Iowa, Los Angeles, and Minneapolis because of the risk of a thief forging my signature. The only time I have ever had a problem with it was at my former bank (Norwest at the time, somewhere around 2000) where the teller refused to perform a transaction until I signed the card, citing the “Not Valid Unless Signed” clause. However, once I signed it I was able to continue.
I would estimate that about 90% of merchants I frequent in Minneapolis turn the card over to look, and 100% of those merchants who turn the card over ask for my ID. I always have it showing from my wallet window and thank them. They look at it long enough to verify the name on the card matches the name on the ID and the photo on the ID matches my face. The entire process lasts no more than 5 seconds at most.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:34 am
When I worked as a cashier, I would frequently see “SEE ID.” I always checked, just because it makes people so happy and grateful.
But, I’m not sure I would have noticed if their ID didn’t match their card…
June 9th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I checked ID’s when I saw “See ID” on the back. I cringed when I saw “CID” on the back (it actually took me several times to figure out what in the heck this meant.)
June 9th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I started writing “Please Check ID” on the back of all my plastic cards after my debit card was stolen. Nearly a thousand dollars in charges were racked up, and the only charges my bank at the time didn’t reimburse were the ones where the thief forged my signature… copied from the back of my card.
I always smile and say “Thank you” when a cashier asks to see my ID. The only place I’ve had a problem is the post office, but not recently. And oversees I’ve gotten funny looks, but they accept it.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:38 am
When is the US going to move to micro-chipped cards like they use in Europe? Or does any company issue micro-chipped credit cards in the US at this time?
It would be a safety issue for us, and would certainly be more convenient for all of us travelers to the EU. My husband and I struggled to pay for things sometimes because our credit cards were not chipped. Most of the subway stations in Copenhagen only took cards, there was no way to pay with cash, and you had to have a chipped card to get the machine to work!
June 9th, 2009 at 7:44 am
I sign and write See ID on the back. That way I’m not violating the card policy and most vendors I give the card to actually check. The thing that worries me is the number of places you can go and actually not hand the cashier your card. You only deal with the little machine and I’m not so sure that thing is checking my signature.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I do both. I sign my card and then write CHECK ID on the other end of the signature pad area. This way, merchants can check my signature with my drivers license signature. This way at least it is signed and I ask the merchants to check for ID.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:50 am
i’ve been doing this since 18! i worked at sears as a teen and heard about it through a customer.
i’ve never once been told i couldn’t use my card and it’s actually true that only about 1/4 of the checkers ask for my id.
but! but! but! when they do ask for my id i thank them politely!!! (i’m southern though! ha!)
June 9th, 2009 at 7:56 am
I moved to San Diego from Boston two years ago and was shocked to find that every merchant, for every purchase (no matter how small!) asks to see ID. No one ever asked in MA! When friends visit, one of the things they complain about is that they keep having to pull out their ID.
Cashiers in CA rarely check signatures but they do take the time to check the name on both the credit card and ID. Is that any better than checking the signature?
I honestly don’t think it matters if someone signs with a signature or says “see ID”. If a thief wants to steal money using a credit card, they are going to figure out how to do it.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I tried that in Canada (Ontario, to be precise) a few years back. I both had my signature and “see ID” written on the back. In the end, I was glad to get a new card when mine expired so I could sign it like a normal person.
There was only a handful of times when I was actually asked for ID.
That said, I would never dream of not signing the card at all. If a thief had access to fake ID, they could easily make one with my name. Of course, they could also practice my signature. Really, there’s only so far one can take fear of identity theft before admitting that whatever is going to happen will happen.
Leaving the card unsigned seems like the easiest way to get screwed by a thief, though.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:24 am
This seems like waaaaay too much hassle, for no payoff. You’re inconveniencing yourself (causing cashiers to occassionally have you whip out another card and incurring more delay), and you’re inconveniencing the poor cashier by putting them in an awkward position of asking for something they’re probably not allowed to ask for.
And for what? If your card DOES get stolen, neither you, nor the poor cashier stand to lose anything. You’re not liable for charges on a stolen card, and the clerk isn’t punished for accepting a stolen card. The dispute is between the store owner and the bank. Why go out of your way to make life easier for the two parties who aren’t the ones who have to deal with either end of the hassle?
Just sign your card, and sign your receipts. If anything bad happens, let the bank/store worry about it.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:25 am
“per VISA rules (dunno about others), a merchant is allowed to ask for ID (regardless of if the card is signed or not or says “SEE ID”), but the merchant can’t make seeing an ID a requirement of completing the sale (if the card is signed).”
Tell that to DSW. My card was signed, they asked for ID, I said Can’t Ask For That, they said No Sale.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:26 am
That’s weird. People always ask to see my ID in North America when I use my Visa, and it doesn’t say “SEE ID”. I assume it’s because it’s a foreign one?
Incidentally, I’d prefer if it worked like it does in France: with a chip and a code. I find it more safe than a signature. Many people don’t check signatures.
My father once had a cheque falsified for a lot of money to another country. The guy who deposited it looked nothing like him, the signature was completely different and they apparently didn’t even ask for ID. That’s scary.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Not only does this invalidate your credit card, but this a completely ineffective form of security. Very rarely do places look at and read the back. Add to this the fact that more and more places don’t even handle your card anymore. They have self-service swipers, where the customer has to do all the work.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:29 am
“Tell that to DSW. My card was signed, they asked for ID, I said Can’t Ask For That, they said No Sale.”
Tell THAT to VISA. ‘Crappy Perfume Store’ at my local mall did the same thing to me. So I went to the ‘Perfume Kiosk’ at the other side of the mall and got my product there, instead. Then I reported the store which is breaking the rules to VISA. Just because DSW is breaking the rules, doesn’t mean that the rules don’t exist.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Bentley (#56) wrote: Tell that to DSW. My card was signed, they asked for ID, I said Can’t Ask For That, they said No Sale.
See, I wonder about that, too. Fry’s Electronics asks for ID whenever I use a credit card, too. I’m curious as to when they can and cannot do this. (Fry’s also has a receipt checker at the door. Though this bugs me, I’m not one of those who willfully ignores them…)
June 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Oh, and another violation of terms that bugs me: Isn’t it true that merchants cannot tack on an extra fee for using a credit or debit card? Yet around my home, there are many small stores (usually gas stations or mini-marts) that do just this. One place charges 75 cents to use plastic! I was under the impression that this was against Visa terms of service…
June 9th, 2009 at 8:34 am
http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/rules_for_visa_merchants.pdf
page 29
June 9th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I always write See ID on my cards. On the rare occasions a merchant checks and asks for my ID, I always thank them.
None of the businesses I frequent charge extra for plastic, but some gas stations offer a discount to those who pay cash. Same difference, IMO.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:41 am
In 2005 and 2007 I did two trips all over the country and Canada. I had signed my card and wrote REQUEST ID on the back next to the signature. In all that travel (over 25,000 miles) I had my ID requested 3 times - that’s it - 3 times. I did have my card number stolen twice (once in MI, once in Quebec). Up until that time I had been a one credit card guy. I got a back up one after that experience. It can be a real hassle to have your card locked out and there was no way I was using my debit card except to get cash.
I’ve given up on the REQUEST ID approach - so few merchants actually check it’s just not worth it.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I’m sorry to say that I think doing this is just stupid.
Most places won’t ask for ID even if you ask, online merchants don’t need your signature, your card isn’t valid unless you sign, and if you leave it blank a thief could sign.
If your card is stolen you aren’t liable for charges if you notify your bank. You’re better off memorizing the number to call if this happens.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I work at Staples. We’re encouraged to check every card that gets handed to us. (If they swipe their credit card, we still need to see it). If the back isn’t signed, or says “See ID” (or any variation), we have to ask.
I also ask on larger purchases (usually over $100). I usually get “thank yous” when I ask.
I think I like the idea of signing (to comply with the card’s agreement), AND writing “Ask for ID”. Interesting post, and lots to think about.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I have this written on all my cards. Mostly useless as my ID is rarely checked. Most places never even look. I have never had it turned down…not even at the Post Office. I figured that if my card was stolen and used, it would be a good defense that the merchant didn’t check. Yet to be tested…I hope I never have to.
Ha! That sounds just like Capital One!
June 9th, 2009 at 8:46 am
As someone who works retail I can tell you that it is pretty rare for me to see someone who has written, “See ID” or “Ask for Photo ID” on their card. It is much more common for me to see people come in with either their spouse’s or boss’ card and get mad when we refuse the card. You would also be surprised how many people don’t sign their cards at all once they find out that “See ID” is against the rules. If the card isn’t signed we are supposed to refuse the card, even if you have 3 pieces of photo ID on you.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:48 am
I have a friend whose wallet was stolen and the police officer taking her report advised her to never sign a card and only write “SEE ID” on the back.
I’ve done this ever since and have never had a problem using the card. Some merchants ID me, some don’t.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:51 am
It seems that some areas of the country or at least some shopping malls in those areas always ask for an ID where others seldom or never do. I don’t give them a hard time when they do because I appreciate any attempts to reduce identity theft.
Maybe it’s a character flaw, but I’m also a bit skeptical of the real usefulness so I always show something meaningless I find in my wallet like a business card or insurance card. I can only recall one time a clerk has ever balked and asked for a real form of ID.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I agree with Steve (comment 51). Although I don’t sign my card, I simply show the merchant my driver’s license so they can verify that it’s my signature (which is on my license). Think of it as you do with traveler’s checks. Another advantage of putting “SEE ID” is that if it is stolen, the back of the card isn’t blank, so the thief can’t sign it.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am
convenience fees are allowed. there are some rules as to when they can be charged, but as with most rules it’s pretty simple for the vendor to claim that they fall within the bounds. as for asking for id, technically the vendor can ask you to do whatever they want… it’s up to you whether or not you comply. for those of you who have been denied the transaction, the vendor can claim that you were denied for some other reason. for instance, if you were snarky about being asked for your id, they could claim that you were rude to the salesperson, and service was denied for that reason.
i’ve worked retail for the majority of my adult life, and it’s been interesting to note the change in attitude about asking for id. it seems like years ago everyone was offended, nowadays more people seem to appreciate it when you ask. i must say, as both a customer and a customer service rep, i’m surprised when people make such a fuss over being asked for id. shouldn’t you be happy that they are being careful? i know i am. and as for thinking they’re going to steal your information, seriously, they’re barely taking the time to make sure the names match, let alone memorizing all your sensitive data.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I used to write “See ID” on the back of my credit cards. I didn’t bother writing this on new or replacement cards once I realized almost no one requests your ID. It’s funny. I would sign the receipt and hand it over to the cashier. Pretending to make an effort to thwart fraudulent transactions, the cashier would compare the signature on my receipt to the back of my card which clearly stated “See ID.” Then, they’d just hand me my card as if to indicate they’ve some how verified that I am who I say I am.
I found that people who didn’t bother writing anything on the back of their card were much more likely to have a cashier, server, etc. ask for their ID. As noted by @Karen, a thief could just sign your card and use it without question so I wouldn’t recommend this strategy.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I sign mine “Check photo ID” and do not sign it. They have to ask for a photo ID so I show it to them. I never hand over an ID to anyone for validation. They can do it while I am there. I have found that about half of the people check. I do feel more secure in case I was to lose it or something like that. No one has ever turned down the card either.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am
JD: Your RSS feed works fine, I can read whole posts from the feed (using Google Reader).
June 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am
I use the “See ID” method (although I have it written out as CID, which is also a method that people use). So far, I haven’t had any troubles with it, and about half the merchants ask for ID when they see the back. The other half don’t seem to care.
In fact, often merchants don’t even care WHAT you sign on your receipt, since they often don’t check ID or your signature on the back of the card. There have been experiments and pranks done testing this. One of the most famous ones out there is this one: http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/
It’s quite amusing to see all the ways he’s signed his credit slips, and that most of the merchants didn’t even bother asking about it. Worth a read!
June 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I used to write CHECK ID on my business credit card. It worked about as often as you said in your article.
Regarding the Post Office, I just used an unsigned credit card there (newly activated; forgot to sign it) and they didn’t check my ID…so it must just be a local thing for you.
-Erica
June 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
My check card was stolen out of my purse once. It was a 16-year-old girl. She went to the nearest mall and spent $3000 of my ’saving for a car’ money. No one asked her for an ID - even when she was buying $100-600 at a time. She was caught trying to apply for another credit card using my card.
The bank paid me back due to fraud. The bank prosecuted, and I was a witness at the trial. (the girl tried to claim bipolar disorder and the judged laughed at her.) The bank later told me to sign the cards “ask for ID” - it was their card.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I had a stupid argument at the P.O. w/ a clerk who said if I signed the card they would accept it. So I said that if i just stole this card and was a criminal and signed the card, then the signatures would match correct? They agreed but still said I needed to sign if I wanted to complete the purchase. I decided to use my debit option, though I would have received a .5% rebate if it were a credit transaction. So not only did they waste my time, they cost me money.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Since that time, i actually do both though. I now write SEE PHOTO ID in large caps and in a tiny corner above the security code I sign it every so small so as to not be in violation of the CC company’s rules.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I have seen people sign and write SEE ID. I think that is probably best, in my opinion, and I think I will do that with my new cards.
I have SEE ID on my current cards, and only once have I told that SEE ID won’t fly, at the US Post Office! I had to sign my card right then and there…
June 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I have never signed the back of a card, and never had anyone say anything about it.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I write SEE ID in huge letters and my signature in small letters. My favorite thing with all this is when I worked at Sears. If a customer didn’t sign the card with anything I’d ask for their ID, and usually recommend at least writing SEE ID since it’d be very easy for a thief to take the blank card and sign it for them. One time I asked to see the ID for a blank card and the man got really pissed, accusing me of racism “You’re just asking because you think black people steal!”. Ugh.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am
it always seemed odd to me to assume that “See ID” was going to solve the problems associated with having your credit card stolen. Basically, it seems that if you lose/have your card stolen then;
1) You notice it and cancel your card before any nefarious charges are made.
2) You don’t notice it until the card is used and you have charges on there that you did not make.
Even #1 seems to carry no negative consequences. Neither does event #2. Credit card companies protect you from fraud, so that you don’t have to pay for the expenses of event #2. So why do people bother, when it has already been addressed by the credit card companies and you are protected?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
For those of you who say you leave the back of your card blank, I have to ask WHY??? You say if the cashier sees a non signed card they’ll ask to see ID. But if a thief gets your card they can just sign the card in their own handwriting! So they won’t even have to try and match your signature.
I personally write “SEE ID” on the back of all my cards and am asked to show my ID a majority of the time. I without a doubt feel that this is the best option. I’ve never seen a cashier actually pay attention to whether or not a the signatures match up. And honestly what will the CC company do if they find out you didn’t sign the card? Not pay for your purchases? I seriously doubt it.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:57 am
not necessarily ’solve’ but hopefully pre-empt.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am
i actually dont sign mine. all 3 of my cards (1atm, 2 cc) are unsigned, and noone in the 5+ yrs of having them has said a thing, hardly ever get asked for ID either.
and of course the only real way to prevent abuse is to not lose your wallet.
@JD, and california law, dont ask me to cite, forbids detaining at the door unless they suspect theft, so i always tell the FRY’s guy (and Wal-Mart Elderly), ‘no thank you’ and walk right past him.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:01 am
This is crazy! 84 comments so far, and everyone is missing the point. The signature is to protect the store from you (or imposers holding your card), not to protect you from theft. If the store decides that it’s not worth the trouble to check ID, why do you care? It is not you that are at risk, it is them. And if someone steals your wallet do you really think they are going to use the card anywhere that someone MIGHT ask for an ID? Of course not, they are going to use it at self-pay stations, and on the internet.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I’ve always written “please see ID” on my credit and debit cards. It is definitely interesting to see who actually looks (and who actually looks carefully enough to realize it isn’t just a signature).
When I was living in the UK, I once had a merchant refuse to accept my card. Somehow we ended up with the merchant calling the customer service number on the back of the card, at which point the company (don’t remember if this was debit or credit) told the merchant that they in fact encouraged people to do this rather than signing and would appreciate it if they would accept my card as payment.
This obviously isn’t a fool-proof method of protection, but it does give me a warm fuzzy feeling that I like!
June 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am
@Jeremy Bettis, your argument confuses me, you say its not to protect ME from theft, its to protect the stores from theft, and your main arguing point is self pay stations.. *confused*
June 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I sign then rub the signature off. There is the evidence it was signed and the “security” of reducing my personal information.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I don’t see the point of this…the only time someone would be using your physical credit card to make fraudulent purchases (rather than stealing your number and buying stuff online) would be if they stole your actual card, in which case you can easily report it to your credit card company and not be responsible for an fraudulent charges. So why do you care?
In my experience with fraudulent use of my credit card (no idea how they got the number, but it was used to make some sort of weird internet purchases), I just called the credit card company, got a new card, signed some papers they sent me, and never had to pay the $500 in unauthorized charges, no effect to my credit report, etc.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Even if the point is to protect the stores I’d still write See ID on the back. What incentive is there for me to protect the stores? What protection is there for me if I sign the card?
The arguments against this are all over the place, but the two main ones are conflicting. 1) No one checks and 2) it potentially invalidates the card. If no one checks then the card won’t be invalidated. Even if it were the worst case scenario is that you have to pay another way. You’re far more likely at that point to have the vendor accept the card with your identification than to have them refuse to take your card.
At worst, keep a signed card for those times when you simply must pay a vendor who runs things by the book. Then you’re limiting the signature to a single card. I really don’t see the downside, and there’s absolutely no effort in doing this.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I live in California (Bay Area), and I guess stores are extra cautious here: I estimate that at least 90% of the time I use a credit card, the cashier asks to see my ID. I don’t use my card that often, but it’s very rare that the credit card is NOT followed by a request for ID.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I used to, but it didn’t really make a difference because merchants rarely asked. That’s especially true for stores that use those machines where you slide your own card (many grocery and departments stores for instance) - the checker doesn’t even see the card in those cases because you’re practically checking yourself out.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I stopped signing mine a few years ago. Especially with the growing prevalence of swipe-it-yourself machines, I would say 90% of places don’t even blink, much less ask to see ID. Another 5% glance at the back of the card and then just shrug and hand it back. And of the remaining 5%, I know that some of them (e.g. my local grocery store) have a policy of asking to see ID with ALL credit cards, so it has nothing to do with the card being unsigned. (But I do always smile and thank them when they ask for ID — after all, that is the point.)
I only once had a problem with this, and it was at least four years ago, so I don’t remember where it was. The cashier actually told me I had to sign it on the spot, and handed me a pen. I rolled my eyes at how retarded that was, but signed it anyhow. And then signed the receipt. Amazingly enough, THEY MATCHED. Well, as much as my signature ever matches itself, anyhow.
My funniest story is about a day that I went to Filene’s Basement and had forgotten my license wasn’t in my wallet (I’d taken it out the night before when I went to a club and didn’t have pockets, so I just shoved it and some cash into my boot-top). I tried to pay with my bank card as credit and they wouldn’t do it without seeing ID. I then told them to run it as debit, since I knew the PIN, but they said they had to run everything as credit. So I saved a few bucks on clothing I didn’t really need!
The comments above make sense about how leaving it unsigned might make it easier for a thief. I had heard that writing “check ID” was illegal (well, not “illegal”, but “invalidates the card agreement”), so I just decided to leave it unsigned until someone demanded I sign it. Thinking that would surely happen within a few weeks, but, no such luck. Maybe I will start writing something there though…
Oh, BTW, entire posts are showing up fine in my RSS reader. (I use Google Reader.)
June 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I have never signed any of my credit/debit cards, and I have never had a merchant refuse it. I can’t remember the last time anyone even turned the card over.
It’s the illusion of security. Why couldn’t a thief steal your card and sign the back? Why couldn’t he use the card at a self-swipe machine? The fact is, you have to be careful with your cards, and cancel them if you notice they’re stolen. Anything else is either redundant or unnecessary.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Re: incomplete blog feed…I’m receiving the full feed. Make sure to check your blog reader settings.
Here in the Joliet area, I’ve never ever had anyone ask me for ID. Ever. I sign my cards, but leave the debit card at home, and always keep track of/check the credit cards I do use to catch anything unauthorized immediately. I never had heard of the “ask for ID/See ID” idea. Maybe I’ll give it a go next time around, and since I don’t use my debit card at all, see if they still make just plain old ATM cards.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I am in the camp of signing AND writing SEE ID. I used to just put SEE ID on my cards, but 2 things made me start signing it as well:
1. The Post Office is a stickler as has been mentioned
2. A small business owner warned me against just writing SEE ID on a card. They claimed that card companies could potentially use this against you if you disputed charges and they found out that you hadn’t signed the card. I’m not sure how they would find out, but I wouldn’t put it past card companies to try and wriggle out of disputed charges any way they could. Since it is technically required to sign the card, I’m sure they could claim you weren’t in compliance or some such nonsense.
I am asked for my ID at a surprising number of places, but I also shop at a lot of smaller local shops who are probably more affected by fraud than your average Target…
Oh yeah, I also put stars to either side of SEE ID to draw some extra attention to it. The thing that kills me is that most places the cashier doesn’t even look at your card because of the self-swipe machines at most major retailers. Best Buy is the only store I can think of that requires the cashier to look at the card when you self-swipe.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
I don’t sign my card at all. With all the electronic signatures which never match and just the lack of stores that even check. When asked for an ID I show my drivers license however cover my name and address with my thumb so only thing showing is my picture. This is accepted I would say 98% of the time small or big box places.