This is a guest post from Erica Douglass. After selling her online business for a million dollars at age 26, Erica
“temporarily retired”. She now writes an online business blog at erica.biz. This is very much an article about advanced personal finance techniques, and doesn’t necessarily reflect my own philosophy.
You’ve pulled yourself out of debt, are saving a reasonable amount of income for your retirement, have built an emergency fund, and your daily needs are easily met with your income. Congratulations! Now what?
That’s exactly where I was in 2007. I sold my business and generated a huge windfall — over a million dollars. I paid off all my debt. And then I looked around and said, “Oh, crap.”
I had absolutely no idea what to do with my money. Previously, any extra money I’d earned was immediately stuffed back into my business, and I had been running deficits nearly everywhere. This was the first time in my adult life I’d ever had my head above water, financially speaking.
Over the next three months, I proceeded to blow over $50,000. Oh, don’t get me wrong — it was fun! I bought a new car (that I still drive), some really beautiful artwork from artists I loved (that looks great on my walls), and thousands of dollars in clothes, new furniture, and other indulgences, such as $4,000 custom hand-made stereo speakers (that I’m listening to right now.)
It was fun…for a couple months. Then it got boring.
My Spiral into Depression
Like many lottery winners, I spiraled into depression. The business I had spent six years of my life building was gone. I felt adrift — like I had no purpose. Despite having been “successful”, no one knew who I was. I had marginalized most of my personal relationships in favor of growing my business and working myself to death. And money wasn’t going to buy me out of the situation.
Slowly, I pulled myself out of my depression. I realized I had the opportunity to make myself into anyone I wanted to be. I could do anything I wanted. I had complete freedom. The thought was both exhilarating and terrifying.
I bought a shelf full of self-help books and read them all, relentlessly seeking to answer the many questions I had. Some of them were philosophical, like “What made me successful when so many others have failed?” Some were practical, like “How do I invest my money?” But all of them led back to one deeper question: “What should I do to be happy?” I soon realized the latter question was incorrect. The better question was, “Who should I be to be happy?”
In December 2007, I started blogging. I exposed a significant amount of my business life and thoughts. I wrote about my successes and my mistakes and failures. I enjoyed writing, doing videos, and interacting with my readers. Helping others figure out their purpose, their businesses, and their websites and blogs was a fantastic experience.
Spending with a Purpose
I made a point of trying to achieve greater states of happiness on a daily basis. Instead of being merely content — or even apathetic — with my current state of being, I realized I could be happier daily. And suddenly it hit me: I understood what I wanted to do with my money. I wanted to outsource pretty much everything I hated doing.
In order to live a simpler, calmer, but more effective life, I had to drop the shackles of wanting to do everything myself. To allow time to meditate, think, write, and create, I had to get rid of the drudgery of daily tasks. I realized my money could serve a fantastic dual purpose: To allow others, whose passion is cooking, cleaning, or assisting in various ways to help me — while I supported them by giving them income to do what they loved.
My life fundamentally changed that day. I started hiring people to do everything I didn’t want to do. The first step was to hire a cleaning service. Then I hired a personal assistant to work out of my house, filing papers, doing laundry, and organizing. I hired virtual assistants to do all the menial tasks I hated doing: bookkeeping; video editing; audio editing; even setting up my Facebook fan page. (Lisa, my VA who set up the Facebook page for me, said happily: “I can’t believe I get paid to do this!” And I realized…we’re both lucky.)
My Daily Routine
I wake up in the morning and my VAs have sent me their updates. I am building a business where I create how-to videos for small business owners and bloggers who want to drive more traffic to their sites and get more customers.
I learned meditation, and currently spend about 40 minutes a day relaxing. I also spend a few hours a day doing the parts of my business I love, from creating videos to writing to programming. When I walk down to the kitchen, it’s clean; Elia, my housekeeper, comes in every week to make sure it’s spotless. She spends 2 hours cleaning our kitchen; total cost to me: $30.
My VA in the Philippines edits my videos and does a fantastic job for $3.33/hour.
Whenever I do an interview with another entrepreneur, I send it to another VA in the Philippines, who, for $9/hour, edits it perfectly, getting rid of all the strange pauses and “um”s. I send the edited interview off to a transcriptionist. For less than $30, I get back an excellent transcription, often 12-16 pages long.
Lisa, my VA here in the U.S., has set up an entire website and integrated it with a shopping cart for my customers to order products and access them once they have ordered. She charges $30/hour (my most expensive staff member) and she’s worth every penny.
I treat my staff members well, and they love the fact that they can work from home and get paid great wages ($3/hour in in the Philippines is equal to about a $65,000/year wage here in the U.S.) They are happy — I can see it in their emails and text chat messages.
My partner Richard and I fight less. There’s no scrapping over who will do a certain task. If no one wants to do it, we work together to figure out how to hire someone.
A Disease Opens My Eyes
I was recently diagnosed with Celiac disease. The management of the disease may sound simple, but it’s not: eliminate wheat, oats, barley and rye from your diet. Most restaurants have very
few gluten-free items; I’m lucky if I can order one non-salad item from a typical menu. Some restaurants are impossible to eat at; soy sauce, for instance, has wheat in it. I’ve gotten sick from things as odd as bacon, cake frosting, and ranch dressing.
After a few weeks of eating mostly hot dogs and tuna fish, I grew tired of my limited options. I thought about learning to cook, but it wasn’t something that excited me. So we hired a personal chef to cook our meals — one who understands the challenge of cooking gluten-free. We pay her $10/hour, including travel time to deliver the food to us, and she gets a fun side job.
In a randomly-chosen week before I hired a personal chef, I ate out four times and went to the grocery store twice. I spent a total of $179.91 on restaurants and groceries. Last week, I spent $215.49, including groceries, for eating out and paying my personal chef. My “eating out” expenses dropped from $86.14 to just $32.28 — over 60% less! My total spent was $35.58 more, but to me, that’s a small price to pay for gourmet food of my choice delivered to my door. Another remarkable and unexpected side effect was that I no longer have an urge to go out and spend money at fancy restaurants — I simply ask my chef to make what I want and deliver it to me.
It has been more than two years since I sold my business, and I am happier than I have ever been. I made different choices than most: We rent a house instead of owning (a savings of nearly $4,000/month in our neighborhood — more than our monthly rent payment!); we only have basic cable; we don’t have a landline, credit card debt, car payments, or student loans.
I chose, instead of buying more Stuff, to live a more fulfilled life. For me, even more important than holding onto my money tightly was to learn to let it go — to give it to others in exchange for work well done, and to trust that they could do tasks well. It’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
Previously at Get Rich Slowly, Erica shared Finding Time to Pursue Your Dreams: How to Free Up 750 Hours a Year with One Simple Change and The Ten-Minute Budget. Download her free Blog Success Manifesto, which offers 30 tactical tips to grow your blog faster than
you ever have before.
This article is about Advanced, Odds and Ends Wednesday, 10th February 2010 (by J.D. Roth)


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February 10th, 2010 at 5:29 am
“…I chose, instead of buying more Stuff, to live a more fulfilled life…”
That’s basically what I’m striving for as well and it’s something I believe you can do even though you aren’t a millionaire.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:51 am
I always said that if I won the lottery, the first thing I would do is hire a maid. This confirms what I always thought: to be happy you need to be doing what you do best and not worry about the small stuff.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:52 am
I cannot believe that you are bragging about how cheaply you can hire people from the Philippines when there are so many qualified people here in the US that need the work so desperately. Yes, they won’t/can’t work for $3.33 an hour, but, according to your post, money is not the issue.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:21 am
I found it fascinating to hear about life from the opposite side of the spectrum, and I find very few people who have amassed great wealth are open to conversation on that topic; I guess they too, like many people, are guilty of the belief that “money is the ultimate taboo topic.”
As for oursourcing your time, I believe that it is necessary to do that only when you are doing something more personally-productive/fulfilling OR bringing in more income than what is being outsourced to your workers.
I’m sure many people that have reached Erica’s level of financial independence have a bit of an “identity crisis” as so much of our life is spent working, we tend to lose focus of our true desires which we want to pursue in life. Clearly, she has began making ammends with that issue and I’m glad for you.
Thanks for sharing a peice of your life with us here at GRS Erica.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:23 am
I really couldn’t relate to this piece. “I’ve just sold my business for a large sum, I’m lost.” I would love to be in that ‘predicament,’ but alas, it did offer a chance to see that sudden wealth can bring its own problems.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:46 am
I have to agree with Erica. While I’m not independently weathly just yet I do value my free time more than 10 bucks for a lot of stuff.
http://www.broadcastthoughts.net/2009/05/utility-of-time.html
Recently my wife got on board and discovered she could pay $10 to have her pants hemmed which traditionally took her an hour to accomplish.
While being frugal is admirable in most cases moderation in all things has value too. Cutting expenses at the cost of quality of life is not always the best decision when you are still able to meet your financial goals.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Great article. I’m glad that some of the pieces are shifting to a more financially independant theme as some of the readers are surely progressing from a debt stricken base to a more financialy secure group.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:54 am
One nice article Erica …
Sometimes I feel good that I don’t have so much money and I have to go to a job next morning!
February 10th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Loved the article.
Regarding DJ’s Phillipines comment, I’d like to add an alternate view.
I’ve been to many developing countries. Income from foreign jobs helps improve a person’s standard of living tremendously.
Erica gets more bang from her buck both in goods received but also in changing someone’s quality of life. I doubt if these side jobs were done in the US, they could significantly impact pulling someone out of poverty. I personally don’t know anyone in the US who lives in a dung hut or shanty without running water or electricity. I’ve seen plenty in Asia and Africa.
I want to remind people that the USA used to be the low cost country once upon a time..so was Japan.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Oh no, I’m a little upset — DJ — do you have a passport?
When you say that people in the US need that work desperately — do you mean to feed their families or to upgrade their cable package?
I have no problem with the fact that opportunities for success are now available to people beyond the US border. Lots of people in the states have had vast opportunities for success at their doorsteps their entire lives and never realized it, or made poor choices and squandered it. Sure, sometimes bad, unfair things happen — but I encourage you to think about the scale of the unfair things faced in less developed economies.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:04 am
@Kathy - not everyone can relate to the “how to pay off your debt and develop a budget” articles either. like JD talks about, there are stages of personal finance, and while most people aren’t in the last stage, it’s still interesting to read more about it.
@DJ - maybe you missed the part where she hires a US-based maid and a US-based personal chef?
Overall, great post, and a great complement to JD’s “money as a tool” post from a couple weeks ago.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Like previous comments, it goes to show that money does most certainly not buy happiness and that we will only be satisfied when we find the things in life that really give us peace and true contentment.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:06 am
If you really are having trouble with how to spend your money, I would recommend setting up a charity or trust of some kind, and go out to poorer countries and donate and work to help their lives and experience what they’re going through. By helping them, you’ll feel very content, and you know your money is being put to good use by helping to save lives.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:14 am
I like that some of the reading here has to do with more philosphical pursuits once a level of income is attained that frees us from debt. That is where we will all eventually be, right?
This article is a perfect demonstration that money doesn’t neccesarily lead to happiness, but can very easily provide you with the freedom to do the things you want to do, and conversely, choose not to do the things you don’t want to. Excellent.
#4 Adrian - I disagree that you should only outsource your time if you replace it with something “more personally-productive/fulfilling OR bringing in more income”.
In order to truly feel the freedom of having money, it is a two-part formula. First you need to choose NOT to do something you hate, and pay someone else to do it. Then you just need to enjoy that freedom without feeling you need to justify it with replacement tasks or income. Without the second part of the equation, you don’t really have the freedom, do you?
February 10th, 2010 at 7:23 am
The part of my life I’d really like to outsource is the part that brings in the income, unfortunately.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Message I got from this article: If you’re rich and unhappy, pay people do everything you hate/are too lazy to do yourself.
This will make you more happy by eliminating the things you do that you unhappy.
Meh.
For me, I don’t mind cleaning my condo, but I’m not the best at it. So once a month I hire a Philipino lady who I love to come clean it. She makes $60, I get my floors scrubbed. I do it because I’m not talented enough at mopping for the perfectionist in me, not because I dislike cleaning.
I was hoping this article was going to talk about charitable donations or volunteering when you become independently wealthy (through hard work as Erica did, or the lottery/inheritance). Not why/how to hire Philipino VA’s cheap and why its a good thing.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:28 am
I loved this article. I feel strongly that hiring someone to do tasks I hate is a means to circulate wealth - as long as I am treating and paying the service provider well (usually a bit above the going rate). Whenever we can EARN (vs get a handout) a living (especially if we enjoy the work) providing a service, we feel better about ourselves and can further our goals. I view doing something I hate to do myself so as to save money (when I can well afford it) denies someone with that skill an opportunity to earn - to me this is a form of “hoarding”.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:37 am
I believe a key takeaway from this post is that we all are searching for meaning and often become diverted from our path by searching for money…
“What is important in life is life, and not the result of life.” ~ Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
“If thou wilt make a man happy, add not unto his riches but take away from his desires.” ~ Epicurus
“Money often costs too much.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Freedom is not procured by a full enjoyment of what is desired, but by controlling the desire.” ~ Epictetus
February 10th, 2010 at 7:38 am
I can really relate to this article. We’re financially comfortable, and I recently spent a year working only 3 days per week. I was so much happier and the additional time was more than worth the 40% pay cut.
I’ve also begun the process of outsourcing since returning to full-time work. The first time I had someone in to clean, it felt like the greatest thing ever! I love the idea of some sort of personal assistant like she mentions, someone to do various household tasks and errands, but I’m not sure where to find a person to do that or if it would even be affordable at my income. It would also require a high degree of organization, since I would have to make sure to have everything ready for the person before their arrival.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Interesting article.
I’ve often thought that I would not do well if I had a lot of money. I need to be busy to keep from driving myself crazy.
I noticed that Erika attributes her loss of happiness (and regaining it) to outsourcing menial tasks, and I can see how that might have a part in it. But what usually makes people feel depressed is feeling like there is no point to live. Not having a purpose. Also, being isolated from other people. When she sold her business, she no longer had purpose, and when she began doing something she cared about again - working to help small businesses - she began to feel better. On top of that, all of her assistants allow her to be connected with other people and not isolated at home.
So another thing you could take from this article is to think about your purpose in life, and if your job is your purpose, plan ahead if you’re going to retire. Depression is extremely common among retirees, especially male retirees, for this very reason. Don’t let your job be the only meaningful thing in your life, or when you get hurt/sick/retire/laid off, you’re screwed.
Just a thought from your friendly mental health professional
February 10th, 2010 at 7:43 am
I enjoyed this article so much! I feel exactly the same way. I work two jobs to get my bills paid (and debt paid down- debt snowball here I come!) and I pay someone to come into my house to clean it every two weeks. Costs me $70 a month. And most people say - “Wouldn’t you rather work one job and clean your own house?” Not a chance. My second job (teaching voice and piano)is my dream job, my first job is the “I have to have health insurance job.” So if it comes down to teaching or cleaning, there is no competition. I love teaching and I hate cleaning!
February 10th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Some of these guest posters are getting annoying. They offer few insights or original thoughts. The one above merely babbles on about her life. Most are regurgitating self-help books again, and again and again. And most self-help books are written by Tony Robbin-like losers anyhow. They rip off advice and common sense that have been with us for centuries, repackage it with a slick title and sell it to the ‘tards.
Let’s hear more about gardens and box factories.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:56 am
@Adam(#15):
“I was hoping this article was going to talk about charitable donations or volunteering when you become independently wealthy”
If I had so much money that I never had to work again, why would I want to continue working, for free? I want to become wealthy so I no longer have to work at all.
Why would I give money away, and risk not having enough to maintain my “don’t-have-to-work-ever-again” status? If I give away $10,000, then the markets take a tumble and I’m faced with the prospect of having to rejoin the workforce, will those charities send me a cheque and return the favor?
Thanks, but no thanks. Once I have enough cash to guarantee a lifetime standard of living, I’ll be hanging on to my money until I die. After that, it’s all yours. I don’t have kids, so I don’t really care what happens to it once it’s finished providing me with a carefree life. But why in the world would I work hard and sacrifice for my whole life, then just give away the spoils of my labor?
February 10th, 2010 at 8:00 am
It’ll be interesting if/when Erica has children. The temptation to outsource their care will be quite difficult to resist for all the same reasons.
IMO A personally-fulfilling life doesn’t come from the things that money buys (including outsourced menial tasks) but from the mark we leave on the world. Donate big money to a local charity and get involved (donating time) and see some real meaning in life.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:02 am
I totally agree with buying services for the things you don’t enjoy doing when you are in position to. My husband and I lived frugally while he was in med school, residency, and fellowship (10 years). I worked long hours at a job I wasn’t crazy about (but paid well). He was paid as a resident and fellow, but not very much. Our goal for when he became a full fledged physician (one that made decent money) was to be debt free except the mortgage. And we were, we even had an emergency fund of 2 months.
So when he started making a respectable living I quit my job - we both knew it was the one thing that would make us both happy. I did all the house, yard work, etc. I’m even handy enough to do small repairs. We were both happier and I was healthier without the stress (I got my weight and cholesterol down, and my blood pressure dropped back into a safe range).
So a year ago we moved for an even better paying practice in a place closer to our families. We decided it was time to get someone to do the yardwork. My husband despises yardwork. I didn’t mind it when we lived on a tenth acre lot and I could cut the grass with an electric lawnmower. But now we were on a hilly acre and we’d have to buy and store lawn equipment. That, coupled with my raging allergies, made us decide hiring someone was money well spent. And it is.
We still drive the same modest, used cars we drove before I quit my job. We still have the same material items in our home, only replacing things that have worn out with time. In other words we realize that there are some things in our life we just aren’t happy doing and money is well spent in those areas.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Wow
I really love this piece especially about how Erica hires people to help her out. It’s refreshing to hear about someone who really understands the value of their time.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:09 am
I can’t relate to this post at all. I am somewhat secure financially; however, I hope I’m never “secure” enough to smugly advise people to outsource things they’re too lazy to do to other countries and tout that as a skill.
To those claiming that outsourcing work to the Phillipines will help pull these workers out of poverty, that’s simply not true. People living in dung huts or shanties are not getting these jobs - she says they work from home, which means they have homes with internet access and video editing equipment. But hey, as long as she can tell from their emails that they’re happy, I guess it’s the right thing to do, right?
February 10th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I love this post.
The PF blogosphere has been a tad monotonous as of late. There can only be so many posts on how to build a budget, make your own burrito, hang your clothes out to dry…
February 10th, 2010 at 8:20 am
I don’t disagree with the premise of hiring people to do work you hate when you can afford to do so, but I think, Erica, your privilege is showing. I sincerely doubt your housekeeper’s “passion” is cleaning other people’s houses. Hire out your work, fine, but don’t act like you’re doing your maid a favor by letting her scrub your kitchen. This sort of attitude contributes to the barriers between classes, and frankly I see it a lot in personal finance writing. The general LACK of that attitude at GRS is why I read this blog.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:29 am
I can’t relate to this post at all. The self congratulation around paying someone $3 an hour in the Philippines made me sick. If $3 an hour makes the Filipino VA happy, imagine how happy an American minimum wage would make her, how life-altering and philanthropic that would be.
So far the track record for female guest posters is pretty poor as far as I’m concerned, what with the designer purse rentals and paying Filapinas $3/hour. I might stick to the archives for my inspiration for awhile. I know JD is busy with his book but it is getting to be too many guest posters for my taste.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Wow, interesting discussion.
I used to share the view of some that extra funds should be donated to charity. However, on reflection, I think that Erica’s choices to outsource DO make a difference - to the people she pays. No administrative overhead (as many charities have), she receives value in return for her spending AND the person she pays directly benefits. Not sure if this is any different than, for example, charities that allow people to “sponsor a child,” except that someone works for the money and the giver receives a tangible benefit.
Perhaps conscious spending to enable people to support themselves performing valuable services is as virtuous as giving to charities. Even better, it gives the people being paid something to be proud of.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:38 am
When we can afford it again, I’m looking forward to hiring a college student to personal assist for us. Well, I’m not actually looking forward to the hiring because that can be stressful, but I am looking forward to having someone take care of clutter (e.g. load the dishwasher) and that to-do list that seems to build up.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:43 am
I hope, Erica, that you don’t have to call on a credit card glitch any time soon. You’ll be patched through to someone in the Phillipines or India to talk about your money–and good luck to you trying to understand what they’re telling you!
Outsourcing to other countries makes sense for people who want to save a few dollars–but horrible for Americans so in need of money to buy groceries or shoes/clothing for their children. (Other reader up above: Do you really need to see mud huts along our streets to feel empathy for people in need?)
And I DEFINITELY agree with the other reader: It’s absurd acting like you’re doing your maid a favor by paying her to scrub your kitchen floor.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:48 am
I’ve read Erica’s stuff in the past, and this post is very similar in both writing style and topic….honestly, she seems like a well-written author, but I can’t relate to many of her topics. This one included.
February 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
I’m glad Erica is not depressed, but I really cannot relate to this post at all. Outsourcing one thing or another that you hate doing is fine, but outsourcing it all and pretending others love what they do for you….
I think there’s some joy to be found in all the little things we do in our lives (that we don’t always love). I don’t love folding laundry, but it’s nice to sit next to my husband and fold it all up and put it away. And I love cooking good food for my family (even though it can be a daily drudge sometimes).
I’m with Poultry in Motion.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I have liked the idea of the guest posts, as they strive to represent “all walks of (financial) life.”
However, this one sounded like it was written as an infomercial, and it really just turned me off to the writer’s post.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Hi,
I have to agree with Abe and Willow: all the guest posts are getting tiring. I read this blog because I really enjoy JD’s “voice”. I know guest bloggers provide alternative views, but they are no longer resonating with me…
Good luck with your book, JD. I hope it gets finished soon and you come back to us!
February 10th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Hi - I’d just like to say that I appreciate, and would love to see more, articles on the more advanced stages of personal finance. I know budgeting and the realization that you need to spend less than you make is a critical stumbling block for many, but imagine that many of your regular readers have taken that step (we are nerdy enough to be reading PF blogs! :). I know I appreciate articles like this that help keep the bigger goal of financial independence/stability in mind and give some concrete steps of what can be done. Thanks!
February 10th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I’m trying really hard to like this post, but I can’t help but cringe. The “I’m so much happier because I don’t have to do menial tasks!” attitude can be a little hard to swallow when you haven’t reached financial independence (or may have quite that level of freedom).
More power to her, though. Different things make people happy, and we have to work with what we’ve got.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
I saw nothing in the article to suggest that Erica was actively seeking out people in other countries to work as virtual assistants at a lower rate, instead of people in the US? I’m guessing she didn’t put a classified ad on Philippine Craigslist - she probably went to a VA clearinghouse and said “I’m looking for someone to do X” and they said “Here’s a qualified candidate and this is their going rate.”
Personally I like this idea, even though I can’t relate to it just yet. It is my goal in life to have someone come clean my house though - I hate housework.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:14 am
I think the author is missing her own point. Hiring people to cook or clean isn’t what made her happy — it freed up time, to be sure, but what made her happy was getting back to work.
There are many posts here on GRS about the subject of money vs happiness, and I see it in my own life and those around me.
Many, many people focus all energy on accumulating enough money to be happy. Some make it, and are happy for a bit. The author relates this experience.
To be happy, though, she started up a new business. This new business is more closely helping other people, which I see as a step in the right direction.
It is my hope that she will be able to either sell or outsource her new business also, so as to take the next step. Having gone from business serving self to business serving others, perhaps she will move forward to freely serving others.
Christ, love, and charity. The giving of oneself without expecting anything in return. Serving others, and in turn being a part of something greater than ourselves. In this small, short, limited life, that is where we find peace, contentedness, purpose, and happiness.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Great article. This is exactly where I want to be within a year or two.
It’s interesting that many people say, “I can’t relate.” Here’s the thing: the path to amassing wealth is fraught with giving up control of things like labor, cleaning, etc. Knowing that you can’t handle it all is an important step to becoming wealthy and affects scalability.
I don’t think she sounds smug at all. It could be that some are threatened by her candidness about a very taboo topic - outsourcing. It’s personal to many, and can be hard to excuse for that reason. However…she uses a mix of domestic and international help, so…I’m not seeing where she’s sold anyone out.
We also have a very Western-centric view of the rest of the world sometimes. We imagine that those who are getting higher money are keeping the poor down, and that, by hiring those educated, middle-class people, we’re perpetuating the cycle. We may not think that that $3/hr is going to the poorest inhabitants of that country. But…we don’t know. We cast our own biases on the situation and twist it in such a way that the rich person is bad, and the poor are downtrodden. This is poverty thinking at its finest. Many times, that salary is shared within families. So, yes, it may be going out to the countryside.
But we don’t know.
At any rate, I’m working on doing more than relating to this post. I’m focused on having it myself.
RE: Charity - Once again, people assume because she’s rich and doesn’t toot her own charitable horn, that she doesn’t give. How do you know? You don’t. However, there’s virtue in poverty, right? The rich person MUST be doing something greedy to keep that money, amirite? I think the best giving is the silent type, and she may feel the same way. How you fill in the story blanks of this very fortunate woman says everything about your money mindset.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Seriously? (sorry, I’m usually a pretty calm commenter, and its been a long day — I really mean no offense)
I don’t think Erica’s maid is following her passion, nor do I think Erica does — so should the entire field of low-wage, low-skill, often difficult work be eliminated “so that everyone can pursue their passion”? THINK.
I love the quote “its absurd to think you’re doing your maid a favor by letting her scrub your kitchen floor” directly below an indignant comment about sending work overseas — um… ironic much?
Julia — income generated through small business (and skilled workers) both trickles down to the local economy and does far greater good for development than charity, which is the primary vehicle to target the poorest in developing countries (and the Philippines has 3 P’s and one L)
For what it’s worth — I don’t love this post or its message much — but these comments are the most disappointing!
February 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Too bad I don’t have $1 million to blow to rid my life of all the things I hate to do.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Hmmm, I too feel uncomfortable with the idea of paying someone in the Phillipines $3 an hour and calling it a good thing. It’s another example of that sense of entitlement that we in first-world countries have, and our fortunes are built on the backs of people who weren’t as fortunate as we were because of where they happened to be born.
Maybe that’s a good wage in the Phillipines, but what if they wanted to move to North America? Or take a vacation to another country? Not such a great wage anymore, is it?
However, it’s really not my place to judge, and maybe there is something I don’t understand.
I do have to say that I would LOVE to even start a business, but I have no idea where to even begin. I wouldn’t even know what kind of business. So I find it admirable when people build their own businesses, especially at such a young age.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:39 am
My takeway from this article is to look at all the things I do (outside of work) that are unpleasant to me and evaluate 1) whether outsourcing the task would provide me with overall value (value=benefit > cost) and 2) if I can justify the cost within my budget.
As long as the cost can be worked into a budget that meets the criteria we talk about on this site and other PF sites every day then it is worth considering as a quality of work improvement.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
I’m a daily reader of GRS, though I don’t often comment. However, I just want to back up some of the other comments and say bring back JD! It’s one thing to write an article about improving your best asset - your ability to make money. I appreciate posts about negotiating your salary, starting a side hustle, etc. And I understand the need for posts about using wealth to create more wealth.
Yet, it’s another thing entirely to smugly opine that you’re improving somebody’s life by granting them the privilege of cleaning your kitchen and washing your dirty underwear. What’s next? Her toilet’s going to break and she’s going to hire a plumber and ask him, “Aren’t you glad I had that third burrito? You’re welcome.”
February 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Umm…am the only one who thinks that $1M at 26 isn’t going to last her very long if she used some of it to pay of her debt and she continues to spend as she appears to be spending? I don’t remember the article speaking of her savings, retirement nest egg, etc. Indeed, she mentions not even owning a place - that is a hefty chunk of per principal for a down payment right there - if she ever decides to buy.
I get that $1M is a lot of money. But at 26, that is a lot of her life ahead of her.
At my age (31), the retirement calculators put me at needing $2M to retire comfortably - i.e., continue working to retirement, then living off of $2M in today’s money.
Anyway, just my two cents. I wish I had more facts on how much she has socked away and any savings goals that she still has. Plus, whether her videos are generating enough income for her to not have to touch the principal she received from the sale of her business.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
JD
I guess these guest articles are really deviating from the purpose of this website.It is supposed to be about how to get rich slowly but not how you get windfalls and brag about it and how you brag about being able to hire labor from philippines for $2/hour.
I really like articles written by you and these guest articles are really disappointing.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:51 am
I love the comments on this story. They really show how the ‘poor-and-going-nowhere’ think about the world.
-start snarky sarcasm-
Ohmygod - you pay someone to clean your house and dare think it’s a win-win? You are degrading that cleaning lady. You pay a freelancer (and a non-US one GASP!) to do work for you at a rate you both agree on and think it’s a good thing? HOW DARE YOU!!?!
-end snarky sarcasm-
The article was ok, but take a look at yourself if you posted or agree with some of these comments saying ‘i can’t relate - i’m soooo poor, and you take advantage of poor people. hire only US workers. blah blah blah.’
February 10th, 2010 at 9:54 am
@ mmeetoilenoir: There’s a big difference between not being able to handle something and not wanting to. For example, Erica could have learned to cook, but she wasn’t interested in doing so. Since I don’t have the money to pay someone to cook for me, I spend time preparing food rather than in leisurely pursuits.
I don’t mean that to sound self-righteous or like I’m having a pity party — that’s just the reality of her situation versus mine. (I like to cook, actually) When you’ve got money, you’ve got more choice. Like Erica, I don’t care about stuff. I care about being able to choose.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:00 am
I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet: a million bucks ain’t what it used to be. There is NO WAY that $1 million (minus taxes and whatever she spent) can sustain this lifestyle indefinitely. [If she's paying these expenses out of income from her online business, then I'm not sure what the million dollars has to do with it.]
I also find interesting the rationalization of her choices (e.g., I have celiac so I need a personal chef). My sister has celiac, and does just fine cooking for herself. In fact, she eats better than anyone else I know.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Wow, a lot of mixed feelings on this article.
Many of you aren’t comfortable paying $3.00 an hour to a VA overseas, but guess what, that’s above average in the Philippines, so most are more than happy to accept jobs for such a wage.
If you look on websites like odesk.com, where you can hire developers or VAs for various tasks, many of them offer their services for $1.11 USD an hour. Yes, $1.11 an hour. This is what THEY put as what they think their services are worth.
To us, that’s almost nothing, but to them, that’s a decent wage (convert it to pesos and compare, and you’ll see). That’s food on the table and shelter for a family who may need that extra $3 an hour. Should we deny them the ability to make money from us hiring them just because they are overseas?
It’s not just people in the U.S. who are struggling.
Follow up thoughts? I wish there was a way to reply to individual comments.
JD?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:09 am
As you may have guessed from my preamble to this guest post, I have mixed feelings about the article, but I ran it anyway because I thought it was interesting, and I thought it would generate discussion.
I agree with Erica that money does indeed allow a person to outsource tasks that she’d rather not do. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it before, but Kris and I have paid for a housekeeper for years, even when I was struggling with debt. We currently pay $90 every two weeks, but it’s worth every penny to us. Why? Because it’s like salve for our relationship. I’m a slob, and our housekeeper de-slobbifies some of my slobbiness, leaving me to work more on my writing.
But remember my article about the guilt of wealth? For me, hiring a housekeeper very much == the guilt of wealth. I know that millions of Americans do it, and I know that these folks come from all sorts of financial backgrounds and hire housekeepers for all sorts of reasons. But having grown up poor, there’s a part of me that looks at having done this for the past few years (decade?) as…I don’t know…elitist, I guess.
And it doesn’t stop there. For the past five months now, I’ve been buried in my book. It’s been my top focus, and I’ve neglected a lot of other things around our home, including the yardwork. I’ve been sorely tempted to use some of the book’s advance money to pay somebody to come in one weekend and do all the yardwork.
But I haven’t done it. I can’t bring myself to do it. It feels like a slippery slope to, well, I don’t know where. Plus, I’m with those who find this post a bit condescending.
So…please don’t think I necessarily endorse Erica’s views (or those of any other guest poster). I just like to feature a variety of viewpoints at GRS, especially if I think they’ll help generate discussion…
February 10th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I really enjoyed this article. I do not believe that all of Erica’s choices would be well-suited for my sensibilities, yet the article is well written and reminds us that a content and fulfilling life is the end game not a specific monetary sum. Money is simply a tool that can facilitate our efforts. I genuinely believe that GRS is a thriving community because it brings something unique to the PF blogosphere, the topics are diverse and it has a philosophical component. Our everyday lives are not just about the numbers. JD - I applaud you for supporting diverse content!
Every post and author will not appeal to everyone, plain and simple, nor should it be. We are all at different stages of our fiscal journey.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I love this post… thank you for showing a non-conventional, and very interesting way to manage the things we all have on our to-do list each day. I’ve started looking at VA’s for some simple tasks surrounding my start-up business, and this post has helped me see that I need to do it. Today.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:12 am
She has $1 million plus whatever this video business is bringing in.
I appreciated the article simply since I do see money as a tool. My husband and I choose to have biweekly maid service and biweekly lawn service and live frugally elsewhere. We aren’t rich, we make about $78,000 annually before taxes, and our net worth grows about $2000-$3000 a month. We live inexpensively and splurge on what’s important to us…not doing all the chores or weeding my flower bed is important to me. Expensive cars or houses are not important to me. It’s all about balance and priorities.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Uh, I’m happy that Erica doesn’t have to scrub her own toilet any more. But I am utterly stunned that after getting a huge financial windfall, it apparently didn’t even occur to her to give one penny of it away to help those less fortunate than herself. Amazing…
February 10th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Oh, and my maid appreciates the work. She is having a hard time making ends meet since the economy crashed and people started letting her go to save money. I’ve given her a 15% raise and leave her care packages when she comes by…I don’t think it’s demeaning. She calls to express thanks that seems very sincere.
It’s only demeaning work if people treat you like a slave or talk down to you…otherwise, it’s cleaning for money. Seems like a solid job to me.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:27 am
I think if I were really rich I would definitely pay more for services than for stuff.
However, while I can easily see hiring a cook (or I would if my husband wasn’t a great cook already), I don’t think I’d feel comfortable imposing my sloppiness over other people, and making the clean up after me. It doesn’t feel quite right.
So to some extent, yes, but I still think you should make sure not to overdo it.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Wow, I think you guys are being very harsh on a young woman who’s following a conscious spending plan.
She decided to outsource menial personal tasks to US-based workers, and hired workers abroad to help with business tasks. This makes sense as a business decision because they can work cost- and time-effectively. (Keep in mind: daytime in the Philippines is night time here, so even while Erica is sleeping, her business is not losing productive time).
I would like to see more articles about people who have made other choices once they got past the basics of personal finance. Where do people give their time and money? What will JD do once he gets beyond his Stuff accumulation phase? etc. There’s a lot here.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:28 am
These comments are making me shake my head. Wow. People will find all sorts of reasons to keep themselves broke and self-righteous.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:29 am
@54 A little one-off thing like long-neglected yard work doesn’t have to become a slippery slope unless you let it. If it’s causing you stress, figure out if it’s worth the time/money/aggravation and do it yourself or hire someone to do it for you. Plenty of landscapers will do a one-off spring cleaning or you can hire someone to work along side you.
I’m not crazy about slippery slope arguments. Either something is worth the money or it isn’t. Just because putting a dent in the neglected yard work might be worth it, doesn’t mean you’ll be willing to pay someone to mow the lawn every week (unless it actually is worth having someone mow the lawn every week). They are different things.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Outsourcing to the Philippines (or India or wherever) is IMO the computer version of hiring illegal immigrants to clean your house. No thank you. Even if I had been interested in using Erica’s services, I am very much not inclined to do so now.
I’ve been unemployed for close to 2 years now because my previous help desk job was outsourced to Manila. Happens that I was damn good at my job too, but you know, the company wanted to save money (and likely so the CEO can buy another useless sports team since his first one isn’t doing so hot.) I can’t go find a different help desk job in this area because all the other PC support jobs also got sent overseas. And let me tell you, the customers I’ve talked to since I left HATE said outsourcing with a passion. “Customer service” is truly non existent for companies like my previous employer and others who have outsourced overseas.
Since there are no more jobs in the area doing what I was trained for (and I can’t relocate due to hubby’s job) I’m going to have to go back to school again for job (re)training.. at the age of 47. I just hope there’s some jobs available whenever I finish school this time.. and hopefully we can survive until then. Somehow. It hasn’t been easy the last couple of years. I’ve considered starting my own business, but in this economy, I think getting career training would be a better option right now.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:34 am
@63 (Nicole)
Thanks for the rational view of my slippery slope.
There’s no way I can see hiring a regular gardener. Plus, I like mowing the lawn; it’s meditative. But yeah, this spring, I think getting somebody in here is worth the cost.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am
How thrilling that Erica pays her Filipino VAs more in real dollars than her American VA — $72k American equivalent for the $3.33 Filipino and $195k for the other versus $60k for the American (at $30 an hour).
I don’t think I’d be going around bragging about outsourcing to those nice people who will work for pennies on the dollar. No wonder she has an American VA for the Facebook page — the American is working for less, in real dollars, than the Filipinos.
And protip: No one is deeply fulfilled by cleaning or editing your videos.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:41 am
@KW
What makes you more deserving of the job than someone in the Philippines? If customers are truly unhappy, they could stop using the company’s services and force the company to hire in the USA again…but they won’t because their fees would go up.
I’m against slave labor and sweat shops, but I have nothing against international competition. If they can do the job cheaper, I’d hire them too. It would be a bad business decision not to.
As a customer (definitely not a boss), I have left companies due to bad customer service (Comcast most recently). I explained why I left so they have it on file…it’s up to the company to choose what resources it uses.
If my job gets outsourced, I’d be sad and angry since I’d be unemployed, but that’s the way of the business world. I live in Houston, so there are other jobs. If I couldn’t find one in 2 years, I’d move.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Either she’s drawing on her $1M to pay these VAs or she’s paying them from what she earns in her new business.
If she’s paying them from her nest egg, then that is a very bad lesson to be covering at GRS. If she’s making enough and paying them as employees to do work that is worth more than they are paid, then it has nothing to do with the fact that she is *rich* and is a lesson on paying people what they are worth.
To those saying there is something wrong with paying someone $3/hr overseas, you are presuming that it’s a one for one if she didn’t hire that person. That is to say that she would hire someone here at whatever the going rate. Even if she paid someone $10/hr, perhaps the work isn’t worth that. So she would be editing her own videos and NO ONE would have a job. Babysitting is worth $4-6/hr to me. If someone wants to charge me $7/hr, I’ll just stay home. Wages are about the most you are willing to pay compared to the least someone else is willing to charge.
I’m not sure if Erica’s advice is good or bad for getting rich slowly, I’d have to know more specifics (like what kind of money her new business is bringing in). I like the discussion about if it is worth it to hire someone to do a task, in terms of money, time, and comfort. What is Erica’s professional time worth? What is her personal time worth?
Personally I would worry more about not having enough to do to keep me busy. I wouldn’t think of hiring people as a slippery slope, but I would think freeing up time would be. Busy people get more done, and the less people have to occupy them the more they seem dissatisfied. How many people retire and fight depression? It is about losing their professional identity, but also about having too much time to just sit. My mom retired and she has been very satisfied to get out of the rat race, but she fights depression because there is nothing useful she is doing with her time. She’s *happy* to sit and read, but in the long term she needs more than the hedonistic stuff to keep herself satisfied with life.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I think it’s great to hear stories from all ends of the wealth spectrum and even though I’m not rich, I could relate to aspects of Erica’s story like feeling depressed after a great accomplishment. Outsourcing tasks seems like a little (when you have the money) thing that makes a big difference in her quality of life and it does give other people the opportunity to earn more money.
_However_, I think minimum wage and environmental laws become pointless if people/companies can skirt them by going to other countries. I also personally believe in supporting a local economy, so as glamorous (and altruistic?) that it may seem to have a $3/hr overseas assistant, that wouldn’t fit with my principles.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:46 am
@J.D. and everybody else that seems to have wealth guilt:
If I enjoyed lawn care, I wouldn’t hire a service either. Sadly, I don’t enjoy it. What is wrong in hiring people to do a job you don’t like? Obviously they either want or need the job or they wouldn’t advertise their services. I don’t just grab random people and make them clean my house or mow my lawn. I don’t understand why it’s wrong to hire someone else to do what you don’t want to. I get paid to do a job that my boss either can’t or won’t do…I don’t feel like less of a person because of it…
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 am
If I had tons of free time, I wouldn’t be depressed. Come on, get some hobbies, make some friends, volunteer for some charities! I definitely don’t need work to be happy. I need free time with friends, more time to volunteer for the Houston SPCA and Meals on Wheels, and time with my husband to be happy.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:54 am
@Crystal
I agree. Change is hard, and it’s even harder when it’s your job on the chopping block. But I think rather than railing about companies that send jobs overseas we need to understand why they do and work against those realities. As an investor I expect companies to make decisions good for the bottom line. That can mean sending call service jobs overseas, or it can mean bringing them back and paying more because the service is better.
Ultimately the system is very dynamic. We need to take into account things in this country that make hiring workers expensive. It is a balancing act, we like to make companies do things, but we have to understand that it adds costs to the business. Some costs are worth it and some aren’t, but we have to acknowledge them. You can agree or disagree with ‘living’ wage laws, environmental protection laws, mandated health insurance laws, etc. But all of these add costs to doing business. There are also international trade/employment issues. I was reading recently about the VAT China uses that lets them undercut American companies, it is essentially a tariff that isn’t called a tariff w.r.t. free trade. That is wrong and we need to put pressure on our politicians to put pressure on trade partners. Not to necessarily “protect American jobs”, but to keep them honest.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Not everyone finds volunteering or donating money to charitable causes fulfilling. I think it’s a bit narrow-minded and unfair to assume that since she’s financially comfortable that she *should* be doing those things, or would necessarily enjoy them.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:58 am
KW - “America first” is just being self centered and unambitious on a large scale. I did help desk work part time in college for minimum wage and I was good at it, but hey, guess what, there are better jobs out there if you’re willing to put some effort into educating yourself. After I graduated with a CS degree I found a much better job.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Raghu@ 48 — seriously?
I think you are way off track. I really enjoy the variety of financial topics and situations on GRS. JD — PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING!!!
I think this was an amazing glimpse into a life MANY OF US are striving for here on GRS — and the struggles and decisions that come with that life stage.
LOVE this guest post.
PS: SHE IS NOT BRAGGINGGGGGGGGGGG — good lord — are you serious… Some of these posters really sound like they hate rich people — and they surely will never be one with this attitude… Unreal…
February 10th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I think many people struggle with what to do after retirement. My own father took early retirement intending to start a business, but he wasn’t disciplined enough to do that and spiraled into depression. My father-in-law also took early retirement and has basically sat at home drinking. And messing up his money. They’ve both done that.
But my grandfather-in-law retired at 52 and lived till 86 and really had a wonderful life with family and travel.
So, you know, retirement is different for different people, and for some it truly is a disaster. Work you love can really give your life joy and meaning. And that doesn’t mean I don’t love my family and pets, volunteer locally, and spend time with friends. Some people are better at meaningfully filling their time than others
February 10th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Interesting article…and even more interesting discussion here. As I think about starting my own side business again, the idea of outsourcing is one I’m going to have to come to grips with - I can’t do everything myself, and our creativity and prosperity increases when we do the things that we’re passionate about and good at. If someone else can take a few of the more tedious tasks off my desk in an affordable way, it’s definitely something I want to think about.
And, I’m a celiac food blogger, and it’s always nice to see little splashes of awareness thrown into posts on non-food topics.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Like the article or not, I am definitely enjoying the discussion!
February 10th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Erica’s post reminds me that EVERYTHING is a choice. There are trade-offs that we all can make to help us achieve the life we’ve dreamed of, if we just took some time to think about it, instead of blindly living our same-old same-old lives.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Funny, I first read this article at 7AM today and there were no comments. My own early morning gut- reaction to the article was not positive. Something like “excuse me while I go vomit my coffee.” It’s interesting to come back and now read so many diverse reactions.
The tone felt a bit self-absorbed to me; particularly coming from a 26 year-old. Really? Is there something wrong with learning how to cook in order to take care of yourself? or do your own laundry? Are you now SO important that you can no longer be bothered with the menial tasks of self-care?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Hi Erica,
We all outsource like crazy when you think about it - it’s the fundamental basis of division of labor in our economy.
I certainly didn’t mine the metals or process the petrochemicals that went into my BlackBerry, or weave the fabrics that went into my clothing. Or, for that matter, drive myself to work this morning.
The choices we make about what to do “in house” and what to delegate are fundamental to how we want to spend our finite time on this planet.
-Jack
February 10th, 2010 at 11:36 am
What I find most intriguing about this post is that it illustrates how wealth reverses the equation set forth by “Your Money or Your Life.”
Instead of thinking about how many units of working time are spent by money decisions you make (spending money = loss of time), you start thinking about how many units of fulfillment time are spent by that same set of decisions (spending money = gain of time).
February 10th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Interesting comments. I don’t have any problems with the idea of outsourcing things, but I think what has rubbed several of us the wrong way is what sounds like a condescending attitude about providing “fulfilling” jobs for others. Fulfilling? Maybe. But not necessarily or even likely. That doesn’t mean the work isn’t appreciated or the money needed - but let’s not wax on like we’re offering nirvana by hiring someone to do menial tasks. I agree with SecondhandMoon (#29!)!
February 10th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Re-reading the comments, I find myself wondering, how much of the negative comments are because she’s 26, seems to be childless as far as I can tell, and had a major windfall? Would people be reacting the same way as they would if she was instead 40, raising a family, high-income (but not sitting on a large chunk of money), and doing it to have more time with her kids?
I think the point remains that outsourcing certain things is a worthwhile financial tradeoff. Others can make a viable business of tasks that we, individually, may not be as effective at or just plain don’t enjoy.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Worst. Post. Ever.
Excuse me for not understanding how the average GRS reader can relate to a 26 year old millionaire that lives pays over $4,000 a month in rent (Manhattan?), outsources menial tasks to third world countries and has a personal chef.
Seriously; there are people on MTV cribs who probably live more modestly!
I get the “finding your purpose” angle, but do us a favor and find someone who the readers can see themselves as. There just aren’t many parallels here, and even I consider myself pretty well off.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:48 am
JD, for what it’s worth, I loved this article. It doesn’t necessarily match my own personal values (it’s not how I’d spend the money, I’m much more independent and frugal), but I love that you’re finally posting more articles about the final stage of wealth. I find too many PF blogs focus too much on poor people, and people deeply in debt. Sure, they need advice too (and it’s certainly a huge target audience), but this is, after all, Get Rich Slowly, not Get Out Of Debt Slowly. I would love to see even more articles illustrating how different people manage their fortunes, to give me a better-rounded perspective on how I might want to structure my own life when I eventually reach the same level.
Also, I think a lot of people are letting their envy show too much. I think situations like Erica’s should be celebrated and held up as examples of people winning at life and achieving their goals. It’s inspirational. Those of you who are piling on and tearing her down would be well-served to take a few moments and reflect on why it angers you so much that this woman has been able to succeed while you are so unhappy with your own life. Does the problem lie with Erica, or yourself? Her success does not impede your own ability to succeed. Your life is the result of your own choices, just as Erica’s is. Don’t begrudge her the results of her choices just because you’re unhappy with the outcome of your own decisions.
Regarding the suggestion that Erica didn’t give any of her windfall to those less fortunate than her: I disagree. I’m fairly certain she paid taxes on the money. Beyond that, no one deserves her money more than she does. She earned it. If others feel entitled to it, well, that’s a pretty sad commentary on the state the country has decayed to.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:48 am
@Comment #62: “People will find all sorts of reasons to keep themselves broke and self-righteous.”
Agreed, which makes me wonder why they’re reading a blog called “Get Rich Slowly.” If they resent rich people so much, a blog called “Get Rich Never” might be more appropriate reading for them. I, for one, liked this post because it helped me think about optimizing my own spending since I’m in the final stage of personal finance myself.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Wow! I’m surprised and a little unsettled by the very strong emotions being shared on both sides.
I think that when we can see money as a tool, one of many, we can release the good/bad feelings it provokes. These feelings can be irrational - but they are valid. But if we cannot release those feelings, then money controls us more than we control it (if that makes sense).
Does a business person, deciding how to spend his/her budget feel guilt, shame, embarrassment, elation, delight, greed or any other strong emotion? I think the company shareholders would hope not (tho’ business people are human, so) Shareholders, the owners of the business, want the decisions made based on value provided to and realized by the corporation. And I think maybe that’s the mindset to aim for in managing personal finance, the mindset of using a tool to create as much value as possible - with value determined by the owner.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I outsource too. I go to the grocery store regularly and buy milk and eggs, so I don’t have to keep my own cow and chickens. I buy all my clothes pre-made. And I will freely admit that the little pizza place down the street from me makes way better pies than I can.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I appreciate your success, and recognize the amount of time and work you must have put into building that business in the first place. You’ve done what most people haven’t been able to, and will never be able to, and you have every right to be proud.
That said, there’s more than a bit of disingenuity in this post. You “allow others, whose passion is cooking, cleaning, or assisting in various ways”. You’re not doing these people as big a favor as you think. Sure, you’re employing them, at least part-time, and I’m sure they’re grateful for that, but your cleaning lady isn’t excited to be following a “passion”, she’s cleaning your house because she can’t afford not to.
Ask yourself this — if these people you’re employing each had the same million-dollar windfall that you did, do you think they’d all quit tomorrow? They would, and then they’d hire their own personal assistants to do the jobs they no longer want to — the ones they’re doing now. Just because you’re an employer and therefore distributing money to those you employ doesn’t make you a philanthropist.
And I don’t think “I’m rich, so now I don’t have to do the things I don’t want to” is exactly a revolutionary idea in the first place. You’re not the first one to decide, “I’ve got more money now, I’ll just pay someone else to clean my house.” This seems to be a pretty well-established course of action among the well-off, the only difference I can see is that you’ve moralized it such that you think it makes you a better person for employing a staff of personal assistants, or at least that’s how the article comes off.
I don’t really care if you pay a Filipino lady $3/hr to be your secretary, we all do this when we buy shoes made by Chinese factory workers for $0.11/hr, and we’re not sitting here feeling guilty about that. At the same time, we’re not preaching about how much better off the factory workers are than their neighbors who are making even less as farmers. If you put me in the same position you’re in, and threw a million dollars at me, I might hire a cleaning lady, too, and I wouldn’t feel bad about it. But I wouldn’t delude myself into thinking I’m helping her to pursue her passions, either.
Nothing you’re doing is wrong, or bad, and hiring these people *is* economically beneficial. Still, it’s got the same economic effect as buying a new TV (then you’d be employing the people who build TVs). It’s not a moral victory for you, and you certainly wouldn’t be talking about the “passions” of TV factory workers if that’s what you’d purchased instead.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
@75 (Nate)
I really did not want to respond to your comment but could not resist myself from putting my view out there.
1) Being rich does not mean successful. If only being rich is successful then are all people who are poor not successful?
2) No body loves to cook or clean for anybody who is not your friend or relative. People do that because they have to. They need to put food on the table for their family.
Disclaimer: I do not hate rich people. I just love poor people more.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I agree with Tyler–the unsettling part of this otherwise readable article was, for me, the assumption that her cleaning lady has a “passion” for cleaning. I think that’s incredibly unlikely. I’ll grant that she may find her job satisfying in the sense that she enjoys doing a task well, but I agree that if she had the chance, she’d probably quit. I really can’t add anything to Tyler’s post, but it does seem to me as if there’s something a bit morally slippery going on in this article.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Tyler K– Very nicely put!
February 10th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
LOVE this article! @ Nate pretty much summed up my exact thoughts. Keep up the variety of guest posts, J.D.
I was so excited to read this and send it off to my husband… We are in that spring yard work predicament and disagree on the idea of paying someone. While he thinks if we just did it together, it’d save us money and we’d have a sense of pride in doing it ourself. Whereas, I loath yard work, have no desire to do it myself, and feel that it is money well spend to pay someone to come in and take care of it for us. At least once to get it under control… I’d love to tell him that the author of Get Rich Slowly did the same
February 10th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Erica
Thanks for sharing some of your thought process with us. I think making choices consciously is one of the most important things that any of us can do if we want to live our “dream” life. Each of us will obviously make different choices, because each of us probably do want different things.
When I decided to get serious about building our net worth, one of the first things I did was I stopped using our cleaning person. We were paying her $100 a week to clean the house (about 4-5 hrs each week) and I decided that I would rather spend that ~$5000 elsewhere each year. My house isn’t as consistently spotless, but the difference still worth it to me.
I have found that I don’t mind cleaning now as much as I did when I had 3 children under the age of 4. And that I would actually be happy cleaning if someone was willing to pay me between $20-$25/hr for my services. So, I took that job back because it was worth it to me. Like JD with lawn mowing, I find cleaning to be meditative. And ideas and plans that I am working on always seem to have a breakthrough moment while I am doing something rather mundane.
Now, clearly I was willing to pay a true living wage for my cleaning lady. And I think a lot more people might be happy to clean if the wage was between $20-25/hr. But are those people willing to do what you need to in order to make that wage? Our cleaning lady was running a small business as the sole proprietor. It was largely built on word of mouth and she busted her bum to show people that not only was she a great cleaner, but reliable and trustworthy. When I stopped using her - she had a waitlist of people wanting to have her clean their house. She seemed to love the job because she had more flexibility with her hours than she could find in other areas, and she was getting paid well. But she also had all the risk. Those were the trade-offs she was willing to take. And be happy about.
I don’t know why so many people in this thread seem to think that manual labor is so demeaning. It doesn’t have to be. And there are lots of people who are making decent livings providing superior labor. If someone wants to be a chef, cooking isn’t demeaning or depressing. If someone owns their own cleaning business/cleans as an independent and enjoys making other people’s home pleasant to live in, that’s not demeaning either. Not everyone wants to do the same job. Lots of people love to work with their hands and have a special talent for making a home environment pleasant, clean and organized. And what might be a dream job to one person would be awful for another.
I am not trying to say that all manual laborers are fulfilled in their jobs. I think that there are lots of people who work jobs they hate to pay the bills (and some of them are highly skilled and highly compensated). But there are very few jobs that are purely repugnant. Cleaning, cooking and VA jobs are not deficient jobs. They just might not be jobs you might want to do.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
JD, please don’t post anymore articles like this.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
I’ve never heard Erica advocate JUST hiring people overseas to save some money. I’ve always heard Erica advocate hiring the best person for the job. And I guess I don’t think it’s too uncommon that if the best person for the job is cheaper than another best person for the job - you choose the cheaper person. I don’t think a political statement is trying to be made here. It’s business, in that regard.
And of course, if the cost thing was what it was all about for Erica, she wouldn’t have contacted me. She knows I compete based on quality of products and services, not on price.
And from a business standpoint, outsourcing is just a must. Can’t do it all yourself if you ever desire to move forward.
Outsourcing personal things I think is everyone’s choice. If laundry and cooking and whatever else are a real burden to you, and you are financially capable to outsource, do it. Life’s too short, I think. I too am gluten-free, but I’ve chosen to cook everything myself - because I love cooking.
I can’t speak for anyone else but myself - but Erica’s quote about me is totally true. I love what I do (and if I didn’t, I wouldn’t do it, period). I love helping people get stuff off their plate so they can move forward. And I regularly do the same by outsourcing various areas of my businesses.
@Amy - You’re assuming I work for a consistent $30/hour, for one client, and have one business that I own and operate. None of which is the case. I can’t speak for anyone overseas or anyone else, but I don’t feel slighted in the least. I make a nice living. I’m fairly certain that if I decided to increase my rates (actually, I don’t work hourly anymore, it’s not scalable), Erica would hang around. It goes back to not competing on price, but on quality.
Just my $.02. Really interesting discussion and ideas presented here.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
This article had nothing about personal responsibility once she got the $1 million windfall. In fact, it seems that all she’s done since getting the money is SPEND. I find this all pretty funny - basically, she’s bored and now has a video company that’s probably losing money; she admits she’s blown $50k on other stuff…
Heck, I’d say her time is less valuable than ever. So, maybe these little outsourcing dalliances and Facebook fan pages should be getting done by the girl herself.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
This post is a perfect example of someone who thinks they have more than they really do.
$1M windfall. After taxes that is likely about $600K.
Pay off debts and “blow” 50K and my guess is she was sitting on about $500K in cash. In 2007-2008 at the TOP of the market, so I doubt there were massive market gains.
I could be wrong, but my guess is she has half a million and while that is a large amount of money, especially in your mid to late 20’s.
But it really isn’t that much in the big picture, and that is what bothers me about this post. The assumption she is “rich” and hence outsources her life. IT certainly isn’t enough for me to justify the outsourcing.
This isn’t rich. $500K throws off $25K annually at 5%. That is peanuts. I know lots of people who have $500K, or $1M liquid who would never act this way.
This post is very condescending to those that actually have money…and to those that don’t.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
@Eric 50 “The article was ok, but take a look at yourself if you posted or agree with some of these comments saying ‘i can’t relate - i’m soooo poor, and you take advantage of poor people. hire only US workers. blah blah blah.’”
Eric, my point was I can’t relate to it that much. I am poorer than her. I don’t have a million dollars at 26 and find myself strangely depressed about it. I read GRS because I am ‘getting rich slowly,’ that is the information I would like to have. The only thing I gleaned from it was should you hire someone to do something when you have the $ and need the time. I don’t disagree with that. It’s your choice, your money.