A real millionaire next door
Kris and I love our neighborhood. People are friendly and helpful, yet mostly mind their own business. It’s a perfect combination. One of our favorite neighbors is the old guy next door. Let’s call him John.
John is a 71-year-old retired shop teacher who lives in a modest ranch house on half an acre, the same house he’s had for over forty years. He has an old barn filled with salvaged lumber, outdated appliances, and who knows what else. When he’s around, he drives a junkie 25-year-old station wagon. But most of the time, he’s not around.
He spends his winters in New Zealand helping friends on a dairy farm. His summers are spent fishing in Alaska. For a couple of months each year, he’s home, puttering in the yard. Year-round, he rents his house to boarders. He leads a very active retirement.
John is full of advice, all of it laden with colorful euphemisms. When I erected my berry patch, he was the one who told me how to build the trellises and gave me the material to do so. He’s eager to help us prune our shrubberies. “I can get my chainsaw and cut the damn things out,” he says with a big grin.
A few months ago, John asked if I had a roll of plastic. “Actually, I do,” I said. “It’s greenhouse plastic. Will that work?”
“Sure,” he said. “I’m just going to use it to make storm windows. I build a wooden frame and then stretch the plastic around it, and that lets me save money on my heating bill.”
John was working in the yard recently when I returned from a trip to the book store. “What do you have there?” he asked by way of conversation.
“Nothing much,” I said. “Just a few books on personal finance.” I showed him the titles. His face broke out in a grin, and a twinkle appeared in his eye.
“That’s great,” he said. “That’s really great. I’m glad to see somebody as young as you are interested in investing.”
“I’m not that young,” I muttered.
“Sure you are,” he said. “You have a long time ahead of you. And if you get started now, you can save a hell of a lot of money.” We’d never talked about money before (and he had no idea I keep a website about personal finance).
“Let me tell you something,” he said. “I was a school teacher. I didn’t have a big salary. But I saved what I could, and I invested it. I got a little lucky, but mostly I just kept putting the money away. Do you know much I have now?” I shook my head. “Over a million dollars,” he said. “And all because I kept at it. And because I did stuff like this.” He waved his hand to indicate his yard.
I looked at his apple tree and his grape vines and his raspberry canes. I looked at the house with the make-shift storm windows. I looked at his 25-year-old station wagon. I looked at his beat-up charcoal grill. I looked at his shabby clothes.
“I don’t buy anything unless I need it,” he said. “And even then I try to find something used. Let other people buy the new stuff. I try to scrounge for everything I need. It may not seem like much, but it makes a real difference. By pinching my pennies right along, I’ve been able to set aside money to invest. And now I can do whatever the hell I want.”
This exchange made me smile, of course. Here’s a man who has lived the philosophy I’ve adopted for myself, who has lived the philosophy I espouse on this website. He has lived this life and has been successful. Here’s a man who is happy and fulfilled. Here’s a man who is a real-life millionaire next door.
Best of all, here’s a man who brings me fresh-caught Alaskan salmon every fall.
Sometimes people write to tell me that nobody can get rich slowly. “That’s no way to live,” they say. I don’t believe them. I’ve seen enough examples of people in my own life who have become rich the slow and steady way. John is one of them. It’s true I’ve known a couple of people who inherited wealth, and a couple more who achieved wealth via small business. But I’ve never known anyone personally who got rich quickly.
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There are 136 comments to "A real millionaire next door".
JD,
I got the same kind of reaction from one guy on my blog, in that, you can’t get rich slowly, or what kind of lifestyle is that? He actually thought that actively eating out would save money in the long term.
Weird.
I wonder if the secret is to not care. It sounds like he really doesn’t care about having new things, whereas I *so* do. I’m probably never going to be one of your real life stories of amazing financial success. I just care about having nice things too much.
On the other hand, it’s a reminder that I can get what I want for less, and if I do so, maybe I won’t get a million pounds by the time I’m 55, but I might still get rich, even slower.
…I’ll grant the guy credit for his drive and focus over the years, but I caught that it is also sometimes at the expense of others. Note he bums the roll of plastic off his neighbors (and a roll of plastic where I am ain’t that cheap).
Now, as long as he freely reciprocates (fresh fish!), I’m all for it, but I know too many people with amassed wealth that got there by simply nickle and dime-ing their friends and neighbors to “their exclusive benefit” without any form of help or offering in return.
Having a mil is one thing, “using it effectively” is another. Shabby clothes, pluuuease, break into that mil now and then and go to your local retailer and buy new jeans and socks now and then.
I know it’s “his” mindset, but I’m just sayin’…..
This is what I love about your site (and also the reason you make a great writer).
You tell stories very well. Compulsive, easy reading with a powerful message.
I just hope he didn’t suffer his whole life so he could do whatever he wanted at 71 years old.
What’s the point of having the million dollars if you’re still going to wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 year old station wagon? Why not have $0 in the bank and wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 year old station wagon?
The point of having a million dollars, driving a shabby car, etc., is not trading in the shabby car and life as a shop teacher for a nice car and a pressure-cooker job among status-obsessed people.
I love hearing stories like that, thanks for sharing J.D. And for what it’s worth, you CAN get rich slowly, proof is in the pudding.. or neighbor in your case!
He is my kind of people. Bad grammar intended.
Like poster #4 I say your storytelling is fantastic.
First, I want to make it clear that I respect and admire my neighbor. He’s a great guy.
Second, it’s true that he relies on the help of others, but he also freely gives his own help.
Third, I don’t know much about his past at all, but my impression is that he hasn’t suffered his whole life to get where he is. He has a real zest for life, and I suspect that’s always been there.
I hope to learn more from John this fall when he returns from Alaska. With fish.
“Now I can do whatever the hell I want.”
Yeah, that’s a thing to strive for.
JB, I think that Plonkee is right. If you don’t care about a new car, there is no difference between a shiny brand-new one and a beaten-up old one. If you don’t care about $computerthing, there is no difference between a quad-core crammed-with-RAM casemodded gaming box and an old Pentium that still works for writing the Christmas letter each year. If there is no difference to you, why not go for the cheaper one?
It’s brain tricks, again. “What do I need the car to do? I need the car to go to the grocery store and the airport. I don’t need a Mini for that.”
I want to be John when I grow up!
Why the focus on clothes? Let’s see — he’s retired. He’s working around his house and his yard, or fishes in Alaska or farms in New Zealand. He was a SHOP teacher. Why on earth should he be wearing nice, new clothes for any of that?
What I find interesting is that he seems to be single. Does he have an SO or kids? I hear a lot more stories about the eccentric single person saving their way to millions than I do about a couple with children doing the same.
JD–
This is a great story – thanks for sharing it!
I have friends who think I’m nuts for canceling cable, who say they want to live life to the fullest. Well, yeah, I do too, and as long as I’m in debt I can’t live life to the fullest. They don’t understand that I’m sacrificing to win, and that my goal is long-term, like your neighbor’s.
I hope to be able to some day talk like your neighbor… and if I keep at it, I will be able to.
TosaJen, he does have children. I’ve never asked about his marital status. (He has no partner who lives with him now.)
I understand Plonkee’s sentiment. I don’t know how old Plonkee is, but I really think you have to just say F___ It to the rampant consumerism that is being shoved down our throats by all forms of media. Real enjoyment of life doesn’t come from posession of physical items, and someone is always going to make more money or have more stuff than you do.
A lot of this becomes easier to understand as you get older, especially if you have children and are forced to start making some more sensible money decisions.
I have an Uncle who died 7 weeks ago and his wife is stuck with liquidating an estate that includes items in storage in four different buildings, as well as rental propery in three different counties. You really don’t want to keep accumulating more stuff as you get older. My two cents …
Seems like John is truly doing the Dave Ramsey thing…”Live like nobody else so you can live like nobody else.” Yea for John! He does what he wants, when he wants without a worry in the world.
Life is full of “if onlys” and that is one of mine. If only I had heard that advice and made myself do it when I was in my twenties…
If only I hadn’t thought I needed new/nice things all the time…
If only I could have seen the future and what my spending habits cost me, my family, my relationships. And I wasn’t even one of those crazy shopaholics…just a regular gal who didn’t have a budget or a financial CLUE.
As for those with kids vs without children…ACK…there are so many UNNECESSARY things you spend money on for kids…
If you’re young and reading this, don’t wait until you’re 50 something for all this to make sense. Your butt will be sore for kicking yourself around the block a gazillion times. (Me)
Or, your butt could be resting in a beach chair in front of the condo you were able to buy because you didn’t need new things all the time. (My friend)
It’s all about choices.
I also think it’s an attitude thing. I feel I have more than enough though I make less than half what some of my friends make. I think it comes down to your priorities and outlook on life whether you are happy (and financially successful) or not… unless of course you get lucky. :^)
Love this story and like Annie Jones “I, too, want to be John when I grow up”. The joy that this man obviously exudes is proof that he has lived a rich full life. My husband and I plan to retire in 8 years when our youngest goes off to college and we are chucking it all for the simple life so that we don’t spend our lives just making money. We both drive very old, well maintained vehicles, I hang our laundry and practice many simple lifestyles so that one day we can truly live life the way we want. Thanks for sharing a great story!
@Nicole (15) – Attitude certainly has a lot to do with it. What I run into, though, is that some of my friends keep telling me that they want more for me than I want for myself. Um, no, not really. They don’t get that I’m sacrificing for now to win long term. So yeah, my attitude about it is fine – I don’t mine doing without some things (although, let’s be honest, I would LOVE to have an iPhone, a big flat-screen TV, a Hi-Def DVD player, a “this,” a “that,” and a “the other”).
For example, I enjoy cars, but I’m not a “car guy” and I can’t afford the ones I’d truly like to have (a Porsche or a BMW or a Ferrari or a Lotus, or a … or a …) so I settle for (and enjoy!) the poor man’s German car – a VW Jetta. I tell my friends that I’m planning on driving my wife’s car (a 2006 VW Jetta TDI – that’s a Diesel engine, if you didn’t know) into retirement (that’s some 30 years away for me, and the car should be able to last that long), and those same friends respond saying “Aren’t you a car guy?” I say: “Um, no, you keep thinking I’m a car guy. I like cars, but I’m not a ‘car guy.'”
I guess that’s what they mean by “peer pressure,” but I can’t think of anything I’ve ever done purely out of peer pressure – I always evaluate and make a decision for myself. And I try to avoid keeping up with the Joneses, as it were.
So, hmm, when I’m John’s age, I just might be driving a 25-year-old car. 🙂
J.D.,
it would be interesting to know more about his way.
I guess this guy understands that happiness isn’t always money. You may find entertainment without spending a lot of money. You may find good clothes even it’s not Gucci or Prada. You may find doing something at the yard more enjoyable than wasting your money and time for things that won’t make you happier.
It depends on every single person’s view to life
I worked with a teacher who retired a few years back – as a multi-millionaire. He was extremely conservative, just like your neighbor. He drove the junkiest car in the parking lot, wore the same older clothes all the time and never invested in anything risky. He only put his money in cd’s and regular savings accounts, topping off a $100,000.00 at each bank – yes, he did deal with MANY different banks. This man inherited a large portion of his money, however he preserved it all and added to it regularly. What did I learn from him? Keep on driving that old car (mine is a 1994). Buy what you need, not what you want all the time and every time you get a paycheck, SAVE a good-sized chunk of it. Great post! I love those true stories of other’s finances.
JD
Good and inspiring post.
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Thanks
J.D.-Thanks for the great (true) story. I noticed several people commented on his standard of living. Shabby cloths. 25 year old station wagon.
It sounds like he doesn’t care what others think. Folks, this is one of the keys. Until you stop getting your self worth from the opinion of others, you will be constantly pulled down by materialism. He leads an exciting full life and should be proud!
Daniel – funny how people equate cable TV with living life to the fullest. In fact, it is the exact opposite – more time in front of the TV means less time LIVING.
I didn’t mean to imply that couples with kids don’t become MNDs, but I know we’d be FI by a substantial margin already if we hadn’t produced our two. DH has been a SAHD, and I’ve been in the same position during their early years; I am finally getting enough sleep to feel ambitious again. Those were our choices — it’ll just take longer, is all.
I was going to say that maybe it’s easier for single people to be frugal, but I’m not sure that’s true. I’ve been more disciplined as a married person, because I have another person (and now a family) to be accountable to!
Great story, and a great real-life example of what saving can do. Really fits the “get rich slowly” theme too. Just keep at it, and before you know it, you’re in great financial shape.
Thanks for sharing this!
I think the key to John’s happiness is that his spending and lifestyle are 100% lined up with his values. He seems to value the ability to travel and live in different places based on the season — that’s where his money goes. He doesn’t value cars or clothes so it’s not really a huge sacrifice for him to not have new ones. It sounds like he lived his life in the most meaningful way for him and that’s how you wind up happy.
While I agree with some of the comments in that I believe that happiness does not come from stuff, but from experiences. But that is my own feeling. It’s almost like I have the luxury to believe that because I grew up comfortably. My husband had a harder road of it as a child so he puts much more stock in material items. He loves his tech gadgets, video games, and he collects figures. While I do not value these things for me, I respect that he gets a lot of enjoyment out of them. He is incredible in his money management (not to mention space management — he constantly purges what he no longer wants). He budgets and saves for the things he wants. I cannot begrudge him that.
We are on the same page in saving for our future and we’re making strides in that area. But that does not mean that we have to give up everything we enjoy in the meantime to get there. So, we work in some leeway for his hobbies and some travel, etc. that I particularly enjoy. It’s not all or nothing.
I second the getting rid of cable thing. Haven’t had it for three years, don’t see what the big deal is – wonder where the hell I got the time to watch it before cuz I sure don’t have spare minutes for it now!
My mother grew up very, very poor. Then she watched her older siblings all quit school as soon as they were legally allowed, and either join the military (the boys) or get married and have babies (the girls). She fought to get her diploma, against her parents’ wishes!
She got rich slowly. She saved money, even when she was a woman working in the ’50’s, when women made so little money. She was never afraid to ask for a raise or to leave a job if she felt she wasn’t paid what she was worth. She bought her first home in her twenties! Even though she strongly desired to have a better life than her parents or siblings, she did without things, made her own clothes, etc. She always put some money away in an out-of-town bank so she couldn’t be tempted to tap into it.
In her twenties, she became a single (step) mother when her husband died suddenly and his youngest son needed a home. So she adopted him and raised him on her own (until she met my dad). Somehow she was still able to put money away each week.
I’d like to get rich a *little* faster than she did. She was always afraid to take any risk at all. She would never consider stocks, but invested almost solely in municipal bonds. It got her where she wanted to be — financially secure enough in her old age to not have to worry about the bills each month, and to be able to travel occasionally.
My mom is an inspiration to me, but I do have more risk-tolerance. 😉
Enjoyed the story…too bad a million is not really enough anymore these days! But your neighbor does have a point…we are such a consumer “I want it now” mentality society…it can only be our downfall.
I read an article recently..can’t remember where… that discussed what is it with us Americans and how we came from the thrifty, saving mentality of our grandparents….to this…it was very interesting reading, and if I remember correctly, a lot of it had to do with our media/advertising and how we are 24/7 being bombarded with these consumer crazy messages…everywhere we go!
I just try to remember two things…compound interest and to save more than we give out…that should keep us covered:-))
@Veteran Military Wife:
A million can certainly be enough, especially for a single person! A million dollars can be invested at 5% interest, and the person could live off that $50,000 per year pretty well. This is especially true if you don’t have a mortgage.
What’s the point of saving if you end up in shabby clothes and an old car? I have those things right now!
Seems that some people are so into saving that they save for saving’s sake, and not for future enjoyment. If I’m going to sacrifice now, I’ve got to know that there is something good down the road and not make shift storm windows!
Awesome story!
The people that think you have to spend a ton of money in order to be living life to the fullest just don’t get it. Owning stuff doesn’t make you happy, not in the long run.
I’ve found that as I pay less attention to the things I’m “supposed” to own and what society thinks my life should look like, the happier I’ve become. I’ve also become more excited about the future. 🙂
JD,
Once again, a fantastic post.
Rhonda wrote: What’s the point of saving if you end up in shabby clothes and an old car? I have those things right now!
Well, I think each of us is different. My neighbor has saved so that he can spend on the things he values: travel and friends. For all I know, he dresses in expensive finery when he’s in New Zealand. For all I know, he has a yacht to fish from in Ketchikan. But around here, he keeps his expenses at a minimum, and I think he does it so that he can spend the money elsewhere, on the things he values.
I suppose that’s the difference between having things you love and doing things you love. Although with the savings, it would be doing things you love later in life.
There’s a balance with everything. I don’t think most people would be happy driving old beater cars and wearing worn clothes but having a large savings account. Likewise living paycheck to paycheck in piles of debt isn’t much fun either, regardless of how many toys you have. It’s all about the middle. That’s where the creamy nougat usually is.
Very cool. I’m curious to know what his investments were during his million dollar journey.
This guy can probably point to 3 main things for his success – the willingness and persistance to save; a modest, affordable home; and an old car. Those are huge factors when it comes to building wealth. They are 3 I devoutly practice and they’ve been good to me allowing me to grow money faster. I don’t scrimp too much in other areas, instead choosing to live a little (not buying stuff, but rather enjoying dinner out, baseball games, modest vacations), but I make up for it in car and house savings. Having no car payment for years at a time and a small mortgage payment saves incredible amounts.
If John were 20 years older, he could be my grandfather.
My grandpa was a WWII vet who worked as a govt employee in a blue-collar position, and he’s amassed a very comfortable fortune by carefully managing his finances. He and grandma raised 6 kids, and my grandmother worked after their youngest child finished school. They sent several kids to college, and no one ever did without anything they needed. He owns a large, comfortable home. He has a 20 year old truck. It isn’t a beater, he just drives so infrequently that it hasn’t needed to be replaced.
When they first retired, my grandparents splurged on big trips – they were among the first American tourists to the Soviet Union and China in the 80s, and they took a number of other trips before my grandma became ill.
One thing I see that is a huge difference in how things were when my grandpa was a young man vs. today. Their first home post-WWII was one my grandfather built with his own hands. They had just one car, and my grandpa drove it 70 miles each way to the naval base where he worked. My mom tells me that one day a week he hitchhiked and walked to the base so that grandma could use the car for shopping. (In those days, most stores were not open on weekends.) This went on for several years, until they moved to the base.
I’m not advocating such extreme measures as making a 140-mile commute on foot, but I think it gave my grandparents a different view of “enough” than his great-granchildren will have.
This story reminds me very much of my Grandparents. My Grandfather was a bus mechanic for his whole life, never earning more then a modest income. My Grandmother worked on and off (mostly on) and to call her income modest would be an understatement. But they saved as much as they possibly could and are now financially set. They’ve both been retired for 15 years and have travelled a fair bit, entertained and just generally enjoyed life.
They didn’t live as paupers during their working lives either, they just didn’t spend excessively. No cable, books and video’s from the library, large vegetable garden in the summer. No gadgets, although my Grandma has a computer and internet now. Between them they did pretty much all of the maintenance on the house and property. They both dressed well but certainly didn’t make new clothes a priority unless they were NEEDED.
I hope I can do half as well. I’m off to a good start.
>plonkee says:
>I just care about having nice things too much.
Being frugal DOESN’T mean you can’t have nice things! Often you can get very nice things at bargain prices. The trick is that it will take a little bit of creativity and more patience. You can find great bargains at thrift stores, estate or moving sales too. Even if you pay full retail, if you buy quality items and take good care of them your things will last long time and the cost/time will be very small. I think the real question is, can you find satisfaction and reach a point of having enough?
JB Says:
>What’s the point of having the million dollars if you’re still going to wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 >year old station wagon? Why not have $0 in the bank and wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 year old >station wagon?
If those are things he doesn’t care about, why should he spend more than the bare minimum on them? Also, why do gardening in a suit and tie? He’s going on trips to Alaska and New Zealand instead of flipping burgers in his retirement that alone is worth a fortune! If he has health problems he will be able to afford health care, that’s critical and I’m sure that it’s going to make a huge difference in his quality of life.
-Rick
Why save a million dollars if he’s only going to wear shabby clothes and drive a junky car? That’s not the only reason to have a million dollars. Financial security is the name of the game. What happens if he falls ill or needs to move to an elder care facility? No problem! He can afford it. Whereas someone who has saved up $0 would be very worried.
My uncle was just like your neighbor. He passed about 2 years ago, but was 101 when he did. He had a very comfortable life, traveled everywhere and any where, and was always there for my sister and me. To look at him, people always thought “oh, that poor old man.” He drove a minivan from the early 80s, wore patched up clothes, grew his own veggies and fruits in the back yard. When we sat down to split up his estate, we knew he had quite a bit of money stashed away, but no idea how much. Till all was said and done, everything totaled to well over a million dollars. And he led a comfortable, fullfilled life while doing so. It can be done.
And for the record, he had a wife who had passed about 10 years early, and raised my grandmother and aunts as they were his own, since their parents passed very young.
This is definately one of my favorite posts! I love hearing that he lives simply as well as the shabby clothes. I’m striving hard to let go of my consumerism. I have an old beat up car that gets me from A to B, but having a hard time giving up nice clothes, and I KNOW where to get nice used clothes but don’t often enough.
He is an inspiration to me to keep trying a little bit at a time, to let go of the crap and get more focused on my values of getting out of debt and saving so I can travel the world the way he does. Great post JD!
I love people that love new/nice things!!!
People that want to change their cars often, are the ones that make available good running, lower priced used cars. Those are the people that by pushing to buy the latest computer, make last year’s model to be put on sale for half price. They are the ones that not finding more space for their closing, give them to charity/second hand stores. They are the ones that push companies to produce more efficiently and sell at lower prices, trying to sell more to those people. They are the ones that by wanting an ever bigger house, allow me to live in a very upscale neighborhood, but in a “small” place, very affordably.
Sometimes I feel I don’t want everybody stop worrying about the Joneses. If they do I’ll miss on a lot of low hanging fruits.
So next time somebody looks down on you because, “you don’t enjoy your life”, thank them!!
This guy is the salt of the earth. Tell him from me that I want to be him when I get old. (Seriously, tell him; I wouldn’t mind it a bit.)
Amen! to Douglas’ comment – sometimes that rampant consumerism is exactly what makes it possible for me to get the used things I want still in good shape.
So, thank you to those that do want new things. I don’t think that your choice to have new things now is bad – I just hope you made that choice informed.
Most of the people I know who constantly have to have new things don’t even understand than there is another way to live. I know many of them would indeed be happier living a different lifestyle. But, if you’re not one of those people, than more power to you.
@Anne Keckler Says:
@Veteran Military Wife:
A million can certainly be enough, especially for a single person! A million dollars can be invested at 5% interest, and the person could live off that $50,000 per year pretty well. This is especially true if you don’t have a mortgage.
I agree with Anne 100%. Even though I’m not single, but now recently engaged. I live in a small town, and for a few years living off of $10/hr ($20,800/year) co-own a house worth over $60,000. Comfortably make the mortgage payments and live well with lots to save at the end of the day. Now, I’m making just over $29,000/year ($14/hr) and after setting aside enough money for all my bills, mortgage, utilities, food, etc, I still have over $400 a month to “blow” if I feel like it. I don’t of course, trying to save as much as possible for the future. No debt, other than mortgage.
Certainly living in a city with a million would be alot tougher than in a small town. I don’t like the cities anyways, too noisy, too busy, too rushed, too smelly/polluted, too stressful, too etc…
Move to a small rural town for retirement. I knew one couple who bought a house here while they lived in Vancouver. They sold their house for probably a half million at least, and moved into their small house here, and lived VERY comfortably here. Get a job working somewhere to keep you busy if you don’t have much for hobbies, or just travel. Life will be great, I’m looking forward to that with my fiancee.
Saving and living frugally can definitely get you to the state of being ‘rich’ though it probably won’t get you to being extremely wealthy – smart investing and a little risk are likely to get you there.
Your neighbor is a great example for getting rich slowly and he should be commended for his achievement.
“I’ve never known anyone personally who got rich quickly.”
Working in the technology field, and having worked in the .com era I have known many people who got rich quickly. The problem of course is that they got poor again just as quickly 😉
Money is not a cure all, and can cause many problems without the knowledge to handle it wisely. Thanks for sharing the wisdom.
My dream life is to be retired and have a shed full of stuff to work on, and to get to wear beat up work clothes all day long.
I grew up in town, and was always envious of my friends on their farms with sheds of broken machines and machine shops and wood shops to work in.
I’ll get there slowly…
What a great story! And what an interesting set of responses from readers…I really love the ones that show a lot of common sense. This guy can afford to do what HE wants to do (not what someone else thinks a person with a million bucks SHOULD do), and he’s evidently a happy man. I’d be right happy, too, if I could spend my summers fishing in Alaska and my winters in gorgeous New Zealand!
We have a neighbor like that. She was nurse in London during the blitz, and she remembers grocer’s shops with no food on the shelves…among many other hardships. She married an American military doctor; never gave up her British citizenship. They lived modestly in New York and when he died she was left with plenty of money.
She lives in a modest home in our middle-class neighborhood, which is a buffer zone between a ritzy area and a desperate slum. She’s in her late 80s and does all her own yardwork (no joke–she’s out there every few days mowing the lawn!) and makes all her own clothes, which look like they came from Saks.
Though she lives frugally, she’s a beloved pillar of the neighborhood, friendly and dependable. She pays her grandchildren’s tuition to a private school by way of transferring assets to her son, who is a geriatrician. She makes all the costumes for the kids’ school plays and for the children’s choir. She babysits kids and dogs and dispenses copious quantities of free early 20th-century advice on child-rearing to her daughter-in-law.
Like your guy, she’s independent because she’s free of financial worry. She doesn’t care what anyone else thinks, and she does quite well for herself, thank you. She also got rich slowly…but I think she’s got more wealth inside her than she has in the bank.
Well, I’ve got a couple things right…I drive a well-maintained 1985 Mercedes Benz, live in a modest house with a house payment I can easily afford, have no debt other than my mortgage, buy only what I need (which is, at this point, next to nothing), and save as much as I can.
GREAT post. I love it when the people you least expect to have it, are the ones with a million in the bank. His priorities are right, and you’re right…he may own a fishing yacht and dress to the 9s when he is away. Have you seen the inside of his house? He may also have an incredible collection of Asian jade or something in there. I knew someone who lived in a small box of a house and had the most incredible jade collection…worth millions. No one, especially not a cat burglar, would have suspected what was in that little house.
I guess it all depends on your priorities. Some people want the feeling of knowing they had a million dollars in the bank account, even while on their death bed. I can’t help wondering why this 71-year old man accumulated all that wealth just for the sake of accumulation. If he has plans to give that money away to a worthy cause, then great. But it didn’t seem like he had. So what’s the point of having that much at that age while living so poorly? You can’t take it with you.
I think you should ask your neighbor to write a guest column(s). As someone who’s lived it and achieved it I’d be interested to hear his point of view on sacrifices, rewards, what he did right and what he wished he would have done differently.
Last year, I worked at a wealth management firm in Northern Virginia. The account minimum there was $1,000,000. I got to know most of the clients, and I would guess that 90-95% of them got rich SLOWLY.
One couple especially comes to mind. They have over $5,000,000 accumulated in their investment & retirement accounts, yet they only spend about $100,000/year plus their Social Security. They could easily afford to spend $250,000 a year, but they are worried they’re spending too much!!! They got to where they are today by saving/investing and living frugally, and that’s why they’re still cautious today. Their mindset is frugal, careful, prudent use of their money.
So many people are blinded by materialism/consumerism that they just can’t understand why you should make sacrifices today. They look for their fulfillment in material things, and it usually takes a drastic change for them to wake up and find the more important things in life. I’m not saying that everyone should value the same things I do, but why put so much emphasis on a brand new car when it can easily be destroyed in less than a second by some negligent driver? As others have said above, there will always be someone with more money/things than you. Why not open your eyes and focus on true happiness? (Whatever that means for you…though I guess it could mean lots of things if that’s what floats your boat!)
He’s a great example of something else as well- I am often told “Well that finance stuff is great and all, but by the time you have your millions you’ll be too old to enjoy it.” Sounds like John is enjoying his million just fine, and at 71 he leads a more active lifestyle than I do at 32.
My students (I teach HS social studies) are often shocked to find out how easy it would be to save a million dollars. The hard part is forming the habits you need.
I wish I’d formed them at 18 instead of 30 but I’ll still do alright. I am by no means suffering to be rich at 70. that would be foolish with my family history of heart disease. I just limit the number of things I enjoy to the ones that I find most important. I’ve learned that happiness can be found in a lot less expensive ways.
The trouble is, marketing isn’t an artform anymore. It’s a science. And it works far too well. I’m glad I finally caught on when I did. Only Lucifer has a greater power than the world of modern consumerism where temptation is concerned.
My mom recently retired early (at age 62) and actually lives better now than she ever did when she was working. It took her a couple of years to realize that she has more money to spend now than she did before retirement. Two years ago she bought her first cashmere sweater (and her second, third, and fourth–it turns out she really likes cashmere). When she starts drawing Social Security at age 66 she’ll have even more money, at which point she’ll probably buy a lightly-used Prius. But her primary interest, like your neighbor’s, is enjoying experiences like travel, and she’d cheerfully give up the clothes and a nice car to do it, although that’s not necessary.
What impresses me most about my mom is that she had to start over in 1992 after my father left her and cleaned out all their joint accounts and her individual retirement accounts (this is illegal, but she lived in a small town where investment firms do whatever the man asks, an experience that ensured that my siblings and I would live in cities, where people believe women have rights, for the rest of our lives). He also maxed out their joint credit cards as a parting gift. She saved like a demon and retired in early 2006, less than 15 years later. She doesn’t yet have a million dollars, but her financial adviser bet her dinner she’d be there by 2010, and she’s beginning to realize she’s going to be buying that dinner.
Knock the guy off and take his money. Just kidding. The story would make a great screenplay, at any rate.
Good stuff. The guy has it right.
This topic reminds me of a conversation that I had with my father a few years back. Alot of people think that he is too frugal, and in some way they may be right. However, he grew up knowing the value of a dollar and what it meant to be without, especially because his parents grew up in the depression.
One day I was talking to him about fiscal responsibility and he told me that true wealth is the ability to go purchase the best car on the sales floor in cash, but having the discipline to know that it wasn’t important in the big picture. My family has alway emphasized on what you keep, not what you make.
By the way, his first “brand new” vehicle purchase was in his late 60’s, and even then I couldn’t believe he would ever buy a new vehicle. He knew the real advantage from saving money was being about to do and purchase what he really wanted, even if that took years of saving. How many people are driving vehicles that they really would never buy, but their broke and thus have NO OPTIONS!!!
Having many options in life is what I treasure. Having a comfortable nest egg allows someone to quit a job they hate, travel the world, or just have peace of mind that no material possession can offer! What good is that shiny car worth if you lose a job, get seriously injured… not much especially if your in those positions.
For those of you who say this old man is just accumulating, in the article it says he travels quite a bit.
He uses his money for what is important to him: Travel
Can someone answer this question I have????
I’m 25 years old and with my current salary I can foresee that I can VERY EASILY, almost TOO EASILY, become a millionaire by the age of 40. So tell me, if it’s so damn easy, what’s the fun in that? Where is the challenge? Shouldn’t I do something extra to, say, make my goal to own like 10 millions by the age of 40? To challenge myself. Jeesh. One million. That is way too easy for too many people nowadays. A million bucks in nothing these days.
Great story…Like Jennifer in the above comment said – John uses money for what is required…He is using money for big and important things…I always get quite inspired by people like him. Over million dollars saved by a school teacher…Now thats something.
To those who say “why is he driving a 25 year old car?” Go back & read the article – he travels most of the time. Why have a shiny new car in the driveway when you’re not home to use it?
It’s also interesting to note how these comments reflect on the person posting them. People think they need to live lavishly to show they have wealth. While those who spend on what is necessary, as opposed to what is needed, are the ones WITH the wealth.
Corporate America has gotten very good at marketing what many people don’t really need. I’m glad there’s people out there that don’t buy into all the consumerism.
A previous posts mentioned something about someone having accumulated so much over their life it was stored in several different buildings, in several different cities. What is the point? My friends’ neighbor is a hoarder – there really is no other word for it. His garage is packed to the brim with stuff, has several sheds on his property packed with stuff, has several beater cars in the driveway packed with stuff, pays monthly for several storage units packed with stuff. She had a garage sale a few summers ago and put out a ping-pong table she never used with a ‘free’ sign on it. At the end of the day, the neighbor came and got it. She asked what he was going to do with it. He replied – take it to my storage unit. What!?!? What is the point? This person has so much stuff, it’s amazing. One has to wonder how much money they’ve literally wasted away collecting all this stuff.
JD’s neighbor has it right. Live simply and live smartly, no need for the clutter.
Wonderful story, thanks for sharing. It is important that you point out that this guy not only has a million dollars but also lives a great life because of it, doing the things that make him happy. As to your “editor’s note,” I think there are definitely stories of people who get rich quick, but just like losing weight quickly (and many other sudden life changes), most people can’t sustain it. Something like 90% of major lottery winners are back where they started financially (or worse) after 5 years.
I guess each of us has his own acceptable path to getting rich. I just cancelled our food budget (honey , we don’t have it any more, good thing dandellions are coming out…they are OK to eat), but we do have international travel budget. I think that the food takes too much time out of your life (earning money for the food, then shopping, then cooking, then stting the table up, then washing dishes, then …unloading the dishwasher…), but I can not imagine us in shabby clothes. Yes I have a husband and 8 y.o. they do not complain. We travel internationally , this year we are going for 3 weeks to Russia and for a couple of weeks to climb Machu-Pichu.
10 years ago we started out with 50 K in debt, now we own 2 houses and one is paid off. I drive old 1992 Oldsmobile , my husband can not tolerate shabby old cars, he drives nice Dodge Caravan. (and my 8 y.o. has a horse 🙂 ).
We work ALL the time, just because we both like to build things – we fixed up both of our properties (we love re-building houses).
So our way to riches is:
(priorities)
This things should be top of the line:
1. family relationships and love. Friends who can stop by anytime.
2. travel in US and outside of US (my husband likes camping style, I’m just the opposite- go for huge and overcrowded cities)
3. strong intellectual background (fluent foreign language, classic books, history of the world) plus knowing world-class museums as your own home
4. animals (we have a pony, a steer, a dog, a cat, a hampster, ducks and chickens – all pets, not to be eaten)
5. clothes, personal hygiene and good manners – I consider it as respect to others and to yourself. Also it’s your creative side – and give me a break – clothes are VERY important for 8 y.o. girl!
Things that we generally disregard:
1. I do disregard what I drive as long as it’s safe to drive.
2. Food
3. Cable/TV – tons of useless information. And it;s usually below our level of intellectuality. We rent movies.
4. Eating out. I consider waiting for food humilating. Sitting in a company of munching people is disgusting.
5. What can be more boring than “long walks on the beach”?
Who I am?
I’m Russian, born in Moscow, Russia. BTW, in the neighbourhood where even dogs are supposed to have a pedigree. Live for 10 years in Bangor, ME. Yes I’m full of self esteem and sometimes obnoxious. Saves time of weeding out the wrong crowd. Love people , anyway.
Questions to everybody
Anybody out there who loves the same things and hate same stuff?
What is your road to riches?
Great story and reminds me of my dad.
Born dirt poor on a Mississippi farm, put himself through school and worked hard his whole life. While he just retired as a community college president, he did not make great money until recently.
But he was always saving, always making wise purchases and always preparing for the future. He and my mother traveled to Europe extensively, but always did it in the off season. He took months to buy good, used cars and then drove them forever. He wore very nice clothes, but makes the claim that he never bought a piece of clothing that wasn’t on sale. He has had a great life and enjoyed it.
Some of the sacrifices we made, well if you can call them that: We grew up in a house that was in a good part of town, but not the best. I never cared. We didn’t stay in five star hotel when we traveled, I enjoyed our trips just as much. We rarely had outside contractors work on the house…we did it ourselves…didn’t like it at the time, but now I know how to do a ton of home improvement projects. We didn’t eat out much, so it was a treat plus my mom is a fantastic cook. We spent a ton of time at antique auctions, now his home is loaded with furniture that is worth more than he paid for it. Some dating to the 18th century.
He made the choice to live beneath his means and every dollar was spent on something of value.
Now, he and my mother are enjoying life, have a net worth of over two million. They just got back from Costa Rica, are about to pay cash for a motor home, and are basically, as he puts it, “spending my inheritance.”
I couldn’t be more happy for them.
This man is my hero. I want to be him when I grow up (the female version, of course). I thought for sure that when you told him about the books you got, he was going to ask whether you bought them or got them at the library. I usually get all of my reading material at the library. I have to stay away from bookstores or go there without money or a credit card or I will buy many many books. I love living a frugal lifestyle. If I was a millionaire, I would still be frugal. I just don’t need giant SUV’s, giant cars or giant homes to be happy.
John the frugal millionaire is spending his money on what makes him happy, not on what the world thinks he should have. Of course, in addition to being able to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it, he may intend to leave whatever’s left over to his children. A commitment to leaving a nice estate to your kids isn’t just accumulating
money for the sake of having lots of cash in the bank.
Never mind, I figured it out.
I just posted a comment and forgot to mention one major thing: make sure your road to riches is YOURs and is FUN.
Yesterday I asked my husband : “if you had plenty of money – how would you live?”
His answer:” you’re kidding – I’m already living it!”
He asked me the same thing. My answer: “a couple more ponies? So my daughter’s friends can ride along?”
I guess our road to riches wasn’t very hard..
Our income is $32 K/year.
Emergency money: if we need a couple of thousands I go and teach at local colleges (I do have a PhD in biochemistry). Normally I stay at home, run 4-H, spend time with my daughter, take care of the animals.
What do I need for total happiness?
I need a war in Afganistan to end. My son in in actuve duty Army and will be deployed in Afganistan soon.
God bless America.
Ha! I was coming here to reply to Jo’s question, but she figured it out. In case others have the same, I’ll be more explicit. John spends late Sept to early Dec at his home, sharing space with his boarder(s). Then he leaves for NZ. He returns from the Southern Hemisphere in late March and sticks around a couple weeks before heading to Alaska. Then he comes back in late Sept full of piss and vinegar. He likes nothing more than to offer to get his chainsaw out to help with our pruning. (We have an inordinate amount of trees and shrubs.)
I agree with poster who requested that the neighbor be asked to write a guest post. We are also trying to live the simple life in the midst of a fast paced consumer culture. Any examples of those who have done this well, are very inspiring.
My father got rich slowly. He died a very wealthy man, a very wealthy man filled with regrets about the things that he missed out on while he was working 80 hours a week.
@David Hilbert Says:
I’m 25 years old and with my current salary I can foresee that I can VERY EASILY, almost TOO EASILY, become a millionaire by the age of 40. So tell me, if it’s so damn easy, what’s the fun in that? Where is the challenge? Shouldn’t I do something extra to, say, make my goal to own like 10 millions by the age of 40? To challenge myself. Jeesh. One million. That is way too easy for too many people nowadays. A million bucks in nothing these days.
If you want a challenge, quit your job for something minimum wage. Let’s see how “easy” you could save a million dollars then?
JD –
Great article — thanks for sharing. What a reminder it is that sacrificing just a little can make for comfortable living later. I got married 3 years ago. My wife and I are taking care of our debt now, and putting every penny we can now before we have more kids (we have one). Once more children come along, we’ll hopefully have trained ourselves to live more frugally so we can grow our family and our investments at the same time.
My goal is to retire and be able to do whatever I want, whenever I want.
What good is the money doing? He says he can now do whatever he wants but what is that? It sounds like he’s continuing what he’s always done. Surely it’s now time to either a) enjoy his money by spending it on himself and his loved ones or b) give it away to good causes so it can do some good in the world.
I think there is a fine line between not wasting money or consuming beyond your needs or modest desires (a sensible thing to do not merely financially but also ethically since we live in a finite world and already use more than our share of resources) and being miserly or mean. After all, what is money for? The secret to happiness is probably finding that balance.
I’m amazed at how many people commented without reading the article. The man saved his money so he could do what he wanted with it (NZ and AK), and that is exactly what he is doing. I can’t believe how many of you equate being frugal with suffering.
This is the part I like: “And now I can do whatever the hell I want.” What a smart old man.
This post made me think of my dad. He always said the rich people are the ones driving junkers and living in small houses. “Those people aren’t out spending their life savings on new cars. It’s the ones driving the BMWs that are secretly hanging by a financial thread,” he’d say. So true. But it is hard for some people to look so far into the future and try to do something about it NOW. A popular reply from my brother when my dad asked why he wasn’t saving: “I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.” To him, saving just didn’t make sense. To each his own.
You know what strikes me about the clothing discussion?
I grew up in Northern California. It wasn’t until I moved to Southern California for college that I fully realized how very much clothes, cars, and trends — and just conspicuous consumption in ALL its forms — matter to many people down here. It was quite the culture shock! I always suspected that Northern CA and Southern CA (Los Angeles, particularly) had different sets of values, but when those values become part of a local culture, then I think you need to start being very careful that it doesn’t affect your own spending habits, unless of course you want it to.
I know there are many other areas like Los Angeles, and I also know there are many more earthy, sensible communities where going thrifting is the fun thing to do. I wonder how many of us are aware of how much our local culture encourages conspicuous consumption? Or not, for that matter.
I, for one, have gotten more bothered by it every year that I live here, and my husband and I are less and less OK with the idea of raising our daughter in this kind of an environment.
Great post. It surprised me how many people posted negative comments about this guy’s choices. The one that caught my eye was, “…suffer his whole life.” You really think he suffered? Is driving an old car really suffering? If it runs good, so what? Suffering is going to bed hungry for the 5th straight night or measuring your net worth in chickens, goats, etc. or having local rebels/gangs burn your village to the ground…that’s suffering. Driving a 1990 station wagon…is nothing.
I have to agree with another poster…you do tell a great story.
Some people may be missing the point, which is that he saved money, being careful to spend less than he earned. And he saved in things that outpace inflation. We don’t all have to fish in Alaska and put plastic sheeting on our windows, we just have to save money. You can buy the new car, or spend money on great clothes as long as you’re not borrowing from your future to do that.
I see the whole spectrum, in that my firm not only handles estate planning (for some $40 million dollar clients who look like bag ladies) but also bankruptcies.
The millionaires know they just have to spend less than they earn, whether they buy their clothes from Barneys or Goodwill. Some have incredible cars, others have well-worn Crown Victorias. All like to travel, and some do it more extravagantly than others.
The bankrupt clients know they have spending problems, but they also tell me there’s “no way” they can cut back their budgets, despite huge clothing bills, cable TV, new cars and expensive food. I don’t know how people expect to build wealth by borrowing to buy declining-value assets.
This is a very inspiring post, and thank you for sharing it with us. I’ve read books like The Millionaire Next Door, and even my uncle lives just like your neighbor does and now lives a rich retirement. Being a young 20-something female from Los Angeles, it’s hard to avoid what media tells us is necessary and focus on what really is important. By reading and hearing about how happiness does not come from money, and learning about global issues can really open our eyes and help us prioritize our lives. Less on money and more on living.
Sarah, I think you & I would get along great. When my husband & I were moving to our current location, we were looking for the civil equivalent of a Toyota Camry – safe, good schools, not too ritzy. Against the advice of several people we passed on neighboring towns with a great deal of snob appeal. We are very happy with our Camry of a town!
To the person who suggested moving to a small town in retirement: I’d actually suggest the reverse. Move to an area where everything you need is in walkign distance or with access to good public transit. As you get older, driving becomes more difficult. You don’t want to end up isolated in your home.
A million dollars is great, but paying for supplementary health insurance (to cover the gap in Medicare) for 20-40 years of retirement is difficult on $50k.
for JB
“What’s the point of having the million dollars if you’re still going to wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 year old station wagon? Why not have $0 in the bank and wear shabby clothes and drive a 25 year old station wagon?”
didn’t you read the story? john says he can do whatever the hell he wants. the first scenario allows him to; the second doesn’t.
Love the post, J.D.! I don’t see this neighbor as suffering at all and I don’t think he ever did. You don’t suffer all your life and then suddenly start living like he is. He has made choices throughout his life that allow him to have that million dollars, which I think is quite adequate by the way (particularly since he is 71, gets income from boarders, and doesn’t have debt). 25-year old car … big whoop, isn’t that what going green is all about? making things last, not filling our junkyards? But, it also saves him considerable money. Why is it cool to have an antique, restored car, but not a 25-year old car? My husband and I almost seem like weirdos these days with a 1994 truck for him and a 1998 car for me, plus a 1985 motorcycle (really helps with gas prices for his commute). We have no desire to have a shiny new vehicle. We will get a good value used one when our vehicles become liabilities at some point.
I don’t see the neighbor mooching off of J.D. Sounds like they have a mutually beneficial relationship. (Hey, I’d give up a roll of plastic for fresh salmon he caught!) We have a similar one with our neighbor. They borrow some tools of ours and we borrow some tools of theirs … usually the kind you only use once a year, like an aerator for the yard or pressure washer for the deck.
Getting rich slowly doesn’t mean you have to work 80 hours a week either. I have always worked a 40 hours a week job (with occasional extra hours for short-term projects) and the same holds true for my husband, and we have done VERY well. I don’t feel we’ve made big sacrifices at all. We travel a lot. My husband scuba dives so he’s been all over the world with a trip planned to Bali in Nov. We don’t have flat screen TVs, but we have a beautiful home that people always admire. We don’t shop for new clothes every week, but we dress nicely for work and home. We are firm believers that stuff doesn’t make one happy, but time spent with others does. We actually have a blowout party in our house with a live band every other Valentine’s Day. No “thing” can top that time spent with our closest friends and family having a blast. We don’t do that kind of extravagance every week so we still do just fine.
I’d love to read a guest post from the neighbor, too.
I have seen some posts criticizing this 71 year old neighbor for not enjoying his wealth. What is the point of having money if you can’t spend it is what they write.
This gentleman can buy something these folks can’t: freedom. Like JD said in the post, his neighbor can do whatever the hell he wants. You can’t put a price on that. He won’t ever be waiting for his social security check to arrive or worried about cutting his prescriptions in half due to the cost.
There is nothing wrong with buying something nice. However, if you spend all your free cash flow on nice things, your things will own you, not the other way around.
Due to popular request, I’ll ask John if he’s willing to do an interview. He won’t return until the grapes are ready to harvest, though, which is usually mid- to late-September. By then I hope to have enough audio interviews to create a series of podcasts. And believe me: John would be an entertaining interview to listen to. 🙂
This reminds me of my grandparents too! They pared things down to what was important, and retired early.
A generation ago people *repaired* things when they broke, used things, then repurposed them. Visit http://www.thestoryofstuff.com to shift your mindset if you think happiness is about STUFF.
What an inspiring post! You hear so much about how people are draining their retirement funds for gas money, how so many people even in their 50’s still haven’t saved a dime….this post was a breath of fresh air!!! And it makes me look at all the junk I get second-hand in a totally different light!!! Thanks!!!
@ Holly P:
Hey, we’ve always wanted a Camry kind of town, too — great analogy! So, may I ask where you ended up? We’re perpetually searching….
I think some people reading (or half reading and making cynical comments about) this posting just don’t get it. This man is living the retirement life that you all aspire for (i.e. to do whatever the hell you want)[evidenced by the fact that you are reading it!] and did what was necessary in order to achieve it with his ordinary salary. By all inference, he’s footloose and fancy free, no doubt unlike a lot of his peers that we so often read about who spent themselves poor and now HAVE TO scrape and scrounge just to survive, not to thrive. He did it on the front end of life when he didn’t really have to so that he wouldn’t HAVE TO on the latter end of life.
Wow Dave what an ignorant rant!…”I guess it all depends on your priorities. Some people want the feeling of knowing they had a million dollars in the bank account, even while on their death bed. I can’t help wondering why this 71-year old man accumulated all that wealth just for the sake of accumulation. If he has plans to give that money away to a worthy cause, then great. But it didn’t seem like he had. So what’s the point of having that much at that age while living so poorly? You can’t take it with you.”
He could live another 30 plus years he isn’t on his death bed!!! Maybe he will need that money? Its his money and he doesn’t need to give it to charity when he dies if he doesn’t want to. Maybe HE IS the WORTHY cause!
@David Hilbert
I don’t mean to be snippy, but your post is kind of unnecessary. You are lucky that you’re getting rich quickly and not slowly. But must you go out of your way to share this tidbit?
“One million. That is way too easy for too many people nowadays.” I think it’s a fair guess that most of us here aren’t those people.
And is there really no challenge as you say? Where you not born to convenient conditions?
I loved this post!
My in-laws stories are similar to your neighbor’s: lifelong frugal savers with full, rich lives. Here’s one of the things I am especially grateful for: their independence. This is a couple in their 80’s and 90’s that lives around the corner from us and it is a joy spending time with and doing for them when we can.
Being frugal meant they had long term insurance to cover in home respite care when my father-in-law’s Alzheimer’s took a turn for the worse this winter. My mother in law has some time off during the week for her own mental health to pursue her life: painting class, bible study, errands, and exersize. Having resources to keep a chunk of your own life intact in a crisis: priceless.
Your neighbour sounds great. I like him. Can I have him, just for a little while? My neighbours are unpleasant. 🙂 Love the blog.
I think that your neighbor has what you call a sustainable lifestyle. Everybody should try to have a sustainable lifestyle, not being a millionaire-for-a-day lifestyle.
Great post! I think John must remind a lot of people of a frugal family member. Here’s a memory of mine that, believe it or not, still makes me smile:
At my granny’s funeral, the preacher started talking about how she didn’t have a lot, but–
Our entire family burst out laughing, puzzling the preacher, and creating a bright spot in an otherwise sad day. Millionaires next door indeed!
to David Hilbert (to the guy who mentioned that making 1 million is to easy, plans to make 10 millions by the age of 40 and looking for challenge.
David, thanks for posting, – it’s clear that earning money is your gift! I’m positive that if you quit everything and start something different with the minimal wage – you we’ll be making another million in half of year!
I have a couple of friends like you – money just stick to them (legally). As every gift it’s rare.
The rest of population has to exersize patience, self-control, long-time planning etc.
I was born (in Russia) into money, position and certain social circle. (it’s still there)Was raised accordingly and …. What did I do?
Crossed the ocean, came to US with 10 bucks in my pocket to start “dirt poor” (strange kind of immigration, right?). Then married for love a person (dirt poor) totally outside my league.
It’s my third marriage, 10 years and it feels like we are married yesterday (I’m 42), while the previous 2 marriages ended after 4 weeks.
10 years ago – 50K in debt (my husband’s debt)
Now – half a million in equity and the lifestyle we love. On 32K /year
From time to time I talk with my “money-gifted” long-time friends. Great line: “I’m travelling around the World alphabetically; this year I’m on letter “I”, but I think I’ll skip Iran, Iraq and Israel and go directly to Italy from India”. Can you beat that? Just kidding.:)
Anyway you’ll have your share of challenges : relationships, kids, business partners, friendships…. I think your money-making talent enables you to do something great (no, it’s not a suggestion to donate your money to “good cause”). Good luck!
To David (post #62):
I have to admit you got a good laugh out of me. Your youthful exuberance with just a hint of arrogance (confidence in youthful form?) is commendable. However, I would caution you that the job you have now which might easily net you $1 M by the time you are 40 may not necessarily last that long. Life is filled with pitfalls and unforeseen circumstances that can snatch it away before you knew what happened. Life will throw challenges your way you could never have imagined, even if they are not financial.But if you do the right things now like the subject of this particular article did, no doubt your chances are better that you will achieve the $1 M by 40. But if you go about your business thinking that that $1 M is assured, and if you start to live the lifestyle of the rich and shameless, you’ll be 40, broke, wondering where it all went wrong for you.
In 20 years, that million dollars will seem like much less and with the travel and things I’d like to do then, $50,000 a year will not cut it! I’m not saying you can’t live at all on $50,000..just not as nice as I would like.
I think there are more people like your neighbor than one would imagine.
My grandparents are my millionaire next door example. They were first generation Americans, born and raised in the depression, grandpa did two tours in the army, neither had a college education. But, they both worked hard, they invested in real estate and they did very well. They sent both their kids to college who also did very well.
My grandparents, even though they live a fabulous retired life still recycle plastic bags and twist ties.
My grandpa often says that you don’t have to be the smartest or the most educated person to succeed, but you do have to work the hardest.
Ok – have to admit that after 60 comments I stopped reading – but until then “nobody” had the thought that entered my mind: It is possible to get even attached to old things! Call me the weird European (well I´m European) but sometimes it´s nice to have a special shirt just for travelling that lasts long because it´s good quality.
I´m also getting attached to my car which is a small Renault Clio from 1995 – the places I´ve been to with this car! It´s like a physical reminder of those good times.
And think about e.g. the Queen putting away her state-coach just because it is old…
HollyP Says:
To the person who suggested moving to a small town in retirement: I’d actually suggest the reverse. Move to an area where everything you need is in walkign distance or with access to good public transit. As you get older, driving becomes more difficult. You don’t want to end up isolated in your home.
A million dollars is great, but paying for supplementary health insurance (to cover the gap in Medicare) for 20-40 years of retirement is difficult on $50k.
That was me Holly. Everything I need IS in walking distance in my small town. My job, grocery store, bank, clothing store, post office, local cafe where all the seniors (and everyone else) gather for coffee and socializing, and auto mechanic are all about a 5-10 minute walk from my house. If I do need to visit a city, it’s less than an hours drive away.
And I live in Canada, so I pay most of my health care through taxes. While the wait times for doctors has increased alot, I hope to negate that by walking more and being healthy so I don’t need to see the doctors.
I was inspired as a young girl, while reading a World’s Record book, about a woman who was a miser and accumalated a ton of money over a lifetime. I figured that while I didn’t really want to be a total miser, the message clicked that if you don’t buy absolutely everything that comes along, you’ll gain wealth.
Something that I read recently said something to the effect that after WWI, certain business men figured that if they could make the USA into a consumer nation…convince people that they will never be happy unless they have the newest thing on the market, that America will prosper. Well, that’s partly true, but how many who use that mentality now, find themselves in great debt. Certainly, anyone who can decide for themselves what makes them happy, and not spend over that amount, are the ones with power. Your neighbor is a great example of someone who defined his sense of happiness (and didn’t let somebody else define it), and is living the life of his choosing.
For my family and I, we are on the path toward that sense of power. We have or house mortgage debt, and 1 car loan, but no other debt. We are tightening our belt in a 2 year plan to kill our (already moderate) mortgage debt. After that is done, we’ll kill the car debt (a Civic, that gets 38+ MPG, and plan on driving for many years). I drive a 10 year old (long paid off) minivan. My intent is to drive it pretty much till it dies.
It’s these types of day to day decisions of spend or not spend, save or not save, over years, that puts someone in the financial driver seat that we all aspire to.
waaay up there in comments someone equated this man’s lifestyle as “suffering.” well, it’s only suffering if you really think it’s required to have a new car, expensive clothes, that hipster condo in Billyburg, etc. I thought that way up until mid-2005 when a job loss and home sale really brought the need vs. want thing into focus. Before that I was “well I make 3x what I did ten years ago so I can spend 3x more!” too bad it didn’t stop there 🙂 Luckily I made enough from the home sale (at the peak of the market fortunately) to cut my debt load in half.
I’m on the road to being a “millionaire next door” type; my only regret is that I didn’t finally see through the consumption machine at a much earlier age (I’m 46), so it’ll be harder for me to accumulate wealth. But my debt load in three years has gone from almost $40,000 to about 6,000. I have more than enough to pay that off but it’s all in 0% accounts that’ll get cleared when the free ride is over. I save at least half my income per month into a money market account, at least til my confidence in the economy returns. better to accept low gains than to lose it! the last weight on my back is a car lease that ends in November, and I’ll be buying a good used car then for cash. after that, I’m done with the consumption economy and will get to work on the next goal.
and tonight I’m off to Paris for four days, paid for by airline miles and hotel points left over from my last job. as it costs quite a bit to “earn” those miles and points, I’ll let employers pay for that!
Amazing story! I wonder what he’s planning to spend it all on eventually. Or does he have dependents to pass it on to?
“I grew up in Northern California. It wasn’t until I moved to Southern California for college that I fully realized how very much clothes, cars, and trends – and just conspicuous consumption in ALL its forms – matter to many people down here.”
I take it you didn’t grow up anywhere near Silicon Valley? Because from my experience, people in the Bay Area are worse than those in SoCal.
@Mike (post 75) says: “If you want a challenge, quit your job for something minimum wage. Let’s see how “easy” you could save a million dollars then?”
Why would I want to do that? I got my job through hard work, difficult education and good grades. Even if I would quit now I could probably find another job paying me the same salary. And even if I couldn’t (because of temporary market conditions) I could just go to graduate school and get an even better job after that, which would accelerate my earnings (and no, not all graduate schools are expensive). So tell me, why would I want to deliberately find a job with low wages? Just so it’s clear, I was not trying to be rude. I was not trying to show off. I was just asking for advice.
@Other John (post 95) says: “I don’t mean to be snippy, but your post is kind of unnecessary. You are lucky that you’re getting rich quickly and not slowly. But must you go out of your way to share this tidbit? … Where you not born to convenient conditions?”
Why is my post kind of unnecessary? Like I said, I was not trying to be rude, but just asking for advice. Were I born to convenient conditions? No more than most of my friends, who are now either in debt or broke because they chose to spend their money like idiots when they were younger (on things like CDs and clothes to impress the girls, or whatever the reason was) instead of saving it like I did. I’m proud of my savings. Am I lucky? I’m not sure how to answer that. People have their different definitions of luck. I don’t know, maybe I am lucky to have decided to save my cash instead of spending it. Maybe I am lucky that I decided when I was young to stay inside and fiddle with the computer instead of going out to a party like everyone else.
@natasha (post 100) says: “David, thanks for posting, – it’s clear that earning money is your gift! I’m positive that if you quit everything and start something different with the minimal wage – you we’ll be making another million in half of year! I have a couple of friends like you – money just stick to them (legally). As every gift it’s rare.”
Ok finally a positive and supportive reply. Thanks for that. Actually I don’t think I’m quite as gifted as you say 🙂 I just like saving my money, and as much of it as I can, that’s all. I’m glad to hear about your success. Very admirable. Thumbs up for you!
@Walter (post 101) says: “I have to admit you got a good laugh out of me. Your youthful exuberance with just a hint of arrogance (confidence in youthful form?) is commendable. However, I would caution you that the job you have now which might easily net you $1 M by the time you are 40 may not necessarily last that long. … and if you start to live the lifestyle of the rich and shameless, you’ll be 40, broke, wondering where it all went wrong for you.”
Good to hear I got you laughing. I’m not getting it however. Was I acting arrogantly? Hmm, maybe I lacked a “:)” or two in my post. Anyway, what you say is correct. But you see, the thing is that I’m actually doing many things this website suggests. Like saving slowly and not spending like an idiot. For example, I don’t have an expensive house (I rent a place with a few friends of mine to save money), I don’t eat fancy food and I don’t own a fancy car. Fancy places, girls, cars and coctails don’t really interest me. To tell you the truth, whenever I, for some reasons, end up at a fancy reception at a fancy hotel, I actually start shaking my head out of ridicule, because such “fancy” things start becoming too much for me. It just doesn’t impress me and I hope it stays that way.
Just wanted to add my voice to the cavalcade; these kind of success story pieces are great. More, please!
What I like about John is that I imagine him also enjoying his working life. Someone with such a passion for life (you’ve gotta have passion to life the traveling lifestyle he seems to) probably didn’t spend his working years “suffering” anymore than he “suffers” know. It’s all about attitude–in most cases you can choose to be satisfied with what you have.
Hilbert David Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
@Mike (post 75) says: “If you want a challenge, quit your job for something minimum wage. Let’s see how “easy” you could save a million dollars then?”
Why would I want to do that? I got my job through hard work, difficult education and good grades. Even if I would quit now I could probably find another job paying me the same salary. And even if I couldn’t (because of temporary market conditions) I could just go to graduate school and get an even better job after that, which would accelerate my earnings (and no, not all graduate schools are expensive). So tell me, why would I want to deliberately find a job with low wages? Just so it’s clear, I was not trying to be rude. I was not trying to show off. I was just asking for advice.
If you have a high salary, and are able to save many millions, without squandering it, by the time you’re 40, dude, I wish you luck and congratulate you. But you come out here blasting that older fellow’s hard saved million by saying: “One million. That is way too easy for too many people nowadays. A million bucks in nothing these days.”
All I meant was that for someone who doesn’t have a high wage, someone who perhaps only makes minimum (or near minimum) wage to save a million dollars is a damn hard accomplishment, and not to be demeaned by saying “it’s easy”.
Wow, I love this!! He has figured it out, and is not tied down by crap or image. He goes to New Zealand and Alaska every year, likely because he likes it, yet puts his house to use while he is gone by renting it out, fantastic!
Love, love love this story!
That story really puts things in perspective. Financial security and the ability to travel are far more important than buying unnecessary items. Ultimately the small buying choices we make today really can impact our retirement.
Yes. You can get rich slowly. By the time I reached 46, I had more money in the stock market than I had earned working for a living. Social Security sends me a record of my earnings every year and I compared the total lifetime earnings against my stock portfolio.
I have no secret. I invested in a few companies I knew something about. My company didn’t offer a 401 K plan until a few years before I retired. However, I did have an IRA which I have maxed out every year. I have also reinvested those dividends. And it adds up very fast!
I continued working until age 55. I turn 60 in June. I have sold one stock since I retired because the company fell victim to the mortgage crisis.
I think the important thing about investing is stay focused. Buy what you know and then no one can tell you you’re doing it wrong.
I built my portfolio of twenty stocks over time. You have no way of knowing whether stocks are cheap or overpriced or where the markets are headed next. I picked up some wonderful bargins right after 9/11 when everyone else was selling. Investing money a little at a time will even out a lot of the fluctuations.
And one last point: Have fun.
What a great story!
This is a nice story but I think we should all get real on the likelihood that it will happen to us. John grew up in this country when it was at its greatest…both in growth and opportunity. At the salary John must have been making there is no way he saved 1 million dollars without risk. Because if you think you can get to a million saving 1k a year in a HYSA at 3% you are kidding yourself.
If Warren Buffett was 30 years old today he would be slaving away as a construnction worker trying to save the 25K necessary to enter a tournament at the world poker tour. Because Buffett did not make money by saving. He made money by taking tons of risk and getting lucky. Even he says that.
If you think you are going to have the opportunity to buy 18% treasury notes in your lifetime like John was then I want to be part of your world. It will not happen anymore. The only reason the returns were so high is because not enough people understood the game. This blog is testament that those rules have changed.
Recognize the value of compounding interest and save?…even a miserly 3%?…sure! I know I do…but don’t get your hopes so high that you are constantly let down.
Re: comment #117, even if I believed that, I’m wondering what the solution is supposed to be. Saving money certainly can’t hurt, and there are plenty of people in situations similar to John who are well on their way to saving the equivalent of what he did.
I’m sure that even when he was young he heard the same pessimism, but thank God he and so many others didn’t listen. I hope people continue to see past those hopeless attitudes today, because SSI and collecting cans won’t get you very far in your retirement.
I don’t have a Christal ball. But I do know the answer isn’t sacrificing my life while ensuring that I have the latest Suzy Orman show on Tivo. Sure, I make some sacrifices like my trip to Europe a few years ago which would cost twice as much now. And I skipped quite a few steak dinners…my savings almost broke even on inflation there but my portion of steak would still be smaller now.
You could always turn back time and be born Donald Trump with 150mill in a trust fund. Then you could use your “good” name to avoid needing a personal guarantee and pass all of your losses off as corporate bankruptcies. Easy money there.
Realestate was an option but that pyramid scheme is up. Seriously what other investment can you have a negative net worth and still leverage millions of dollars in other peoples money? That was a win win game…I sure hope you got in on it.
Stocks are a possibility but good luck finding a respectable company. With all the cheerleading and blatant dishonesty today you would have better odds at the craps table.
But really…I don’t have any regrets. I just want to point out that money has a value but that value is not worth more than the money.
people saying the guy needs to spend or give away his money are the same type of people this man has spent his life trying to be different than…
its this dude’s money, if he wants to use it to fund his seemingly wonderful lifestyle, who are you to tell him he needs to resort to consumerism or philanthropy.
My bf’s mom is like your neighbor. She’s an unassuming woman who wears sweaters with holes, grows her own fruits and veggies, and doesn’t make much money. She moved here From China when she was 30 with nothing.
Lat month, she paid CASH for her 3rd California house and is, in her 50’s, worth over a million dollars. She inspires me greatly and I’d really love to live like her.
Great story. I know a handful of people with similar stories and it’s the same lesson preached at Save, You Fool! What the critics of conservatism and smart spending forget to take into account is that if they decide to live it up today without a regard for tomorrow, tomorrow is going to be long and hard – and taking on a second job is not going to be an option at 80.
Is this a real story because it seems to be a fairy tale. To have that moment in life when I can say “now I can do whatever the hell I want” it’s more than i can dream.
There’s an article on CNN today http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/14/debt.free.party/index.html#cnnSTCText that talks about a couple paying off $46,000 of credit card debt. How did they do it? The same way you do it to get rich slowly. Work hard, spend little, save a lot (or in their case, put everything towards debt). The things they learned doing this will enable them to Get Rich Slowly.
I love your next door neighbor. He’s my idol.
I’ve read your blog for a while now and i think this is my favorite post. It’s so inspiring.
I learned this lesson as a kid from everyone in my family. I forgot it for a bit when I got my first job. I’m remembering it now, and it’s very satisfying. I sit there and stare at my savings with a silly grin on my face; it’s funny.
Lesson 1. Work at an ultra stable local city, state or other government job which will allow you to stay in the same place for 40 years and give great benefits even if the pay was low. Moving costs money even if for a higher paying job. In this case retired shop teacher = great benefits in retirement.
Lesson 2. Do not live in a community which will fine you for codes violations or has a homeowners association which would fine you for non standard lawns, buildings, etc. The makeshift storm windows wouldn’t get past some municipalities or HOA’s at all. He would have been forced to “upgrade” and lost his savings on making the storm windows.
Those are some basic but unstated rules to getting rich slowly.
I just want to say I got so much from that interview, a lot more than I have ever got from reading books which cover the same things. You certainly have a knack for the written word.
This is a good article. Please continue blessing us with this kind of financial tips. Iam following the steps of the millionare next door. Things seem to be working out.
Hi, and thanks for posting your article about John your neighbor, that was quite endearing. But to be honest, in the US it’s not hard to become a millionaire, all that’s needed is frugality and living opposite the way tv and the news glamorizes. Sure there are millionaires who are really lavish with their money, but they wont be lavish for long, because they will outspend it, the key is to buy only what you need, and to pay yourself first. Also investing is not a bad idea either. If you live for tomorrow then when tomorrow gets here you will be prepared, and will live abundantly. Look at Warren Buffet does anyone know why his Shares are so expensive, he never splits his shares and rarely sells them, people can learn from him and John. Very simple to do, but hard to follow, because its easier to spend than to save and invest long term. Doesn’t matter how much money anyone makes, only matters to have the skills to build wealth, and to build it you must be frugle. That fancy car and giant house wont make you any richer than that fancy namebrand tie or designer jeans all of those things cept for the house is worseless liabilities, and are better off being given to charity because they are not assets, Assets are the key to wealth, and to build them frugality is necessary to save and invest. Its very easy if you save 10 percent of your income, im sure 99 percent of people can do this, and then allocate 10 percent to God, and the rest for living necessary living expenses and the like, but buy what you absolutely need only, learn from John, he was wealthy but still used plastic to save money on his heating bills, why did he if he didn’t have to, to save more money for investing and to not be wasteful. If a person spends every dime from birth to death how can that person build wealth, but if a person makes 15k a year till death and invest 10 percent a month, and allocated that for investments only, he will grow wealthy, and then the 10percent for God or charities will come back 10 fold, its a law of the universe what you give always comes back in some way. Good luck to all and hopefully you have learned something from John and the few tidbits I have given you, and author a good book for you to read, as you stated you like personal finance is The richest man in Babylon, very good book. Goof luck to all, bye.
Great story but why can’t you have both? When I grow older like your friend, I’d like to wear nice clothes and have plenty of financial security. It doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other and one doesn’t need to be carried away into materialism. Its nice to have things and everyone has their own point of what’s enough for them, and what comfort is for them.
hello ,
that kind of life- i personally hate to live . on this beautiful earth u have only one chance to enjoy . Success does not mean that – u should be a millionaire at the time of retirement. then what is the use of money .
in my personal view those fellows who just save money without fulling their minimum needs are really useless and are not great even they save a large .
u have to enjoy ur life in ur won way and should maaintain some simplicity .
at last enjoy ur life as much as u can …………….
I don’t understand some of the comments.
Why does this man ‘need’ nice clothes? He works on a farm in New Zealand and hangs out on his boat fishing in Alaska and gardens when he’s home. Which part of that glorious, relaxed existance requires nice clothes?
I think he’d look quite silly dressed up doing the things he obviously enjoys.
This may not be your vision of your own retirement…but it’s HIS.
As a woman who finds total peace working in the garden, getting my hands dirty, and watching the amazing life cycle of a flower or a butterfly landing in my garden…and sitting back on my front porch at the end of the day, just taking in the fruits of my labor…I can understand! And there are no nice clothes required to enjoy that perfect day! 🙂
John said, “I try to scrounge for everything I need.” Sorry, but that does not sound like anything I want to aspire to.
On reading this article and learning some financial things in schoo l, if I’d known what I know now mentality where I would be even after raising two little ones as a divorce mom I could have been rich slowly.Kids should be taught this in school,love get rich slowly