The 9-to-5 job: Challenging how we earn a living
(This is Part III in a series about challenging traditional measures of financial success. Part I was The “Ivory Tower”: Reconsidering the college investment. Part II was Challenging traditional measures of financial success: Homeownership.)
It was the first semester of my first year of college. My friend and I were driving around our small town, looking for something to eat. But we didn’t have much money, so our options were limited. Chili’s sounded good, but neither of us could really afford it.
“It’s weird to think one day we won’t have to worry about this,” my friend said. “In a few years, we’ll graduate, and we’ll have jobs that pay us like, $30,000 a year and we can go to Chili’s whenever we want.”
This was 2001, so it wasn’t just a crazy dream.
I imagined working 9 to 5, in an office, where I had a desk and salary with benefits, and at the end of the day, I went home and did whatever the hell I wanted with my life. At 19, that seemed almost too good to be true. I was really attached to the idea that, someday, I would earn tens of thousands of dollars a year and be able to more or less spend money the way I wanted.
My point is that was the idea back then: Go to college and get a steady, 9-to-5 job.
Years later, I’m starting to question this paradigm — and I’m not alone. We already talked about the way college is changing, but the workforce has been changing a lot too.
Questioning the Stats
We read that jobs are being created and unemployment rates are decreasing. For example, the Labor Department recently released data showing that 209,000 jobs have been created in the past six months. But while the unemployment rate has increased slightly from 6.1 percent to 6.2 percent, overall, it’s been on a steady decline.
The GDP has been significantly and steadily growing since the recession, but unemployment remains a lingering problem. You’ve probably heard the argument before — Huffington Post contributor Mark Gongloff explains it well:
“Technically speaking, unemployment is the percentage of people in the ‘labor force’ who don’t have a job. To be counted in the labor force, you have to be looking for a job. One reason unemployment has fallen so quickly in recent years, from a peak of 10 percent back in 2009, is that a lot of people stopped looking for work. They took themselves out of the labor force. Once they stopped looking for work, they stopped being counted as ‘unemployed.’ Voila, the unemployment rate goes down.”
Gongloff argues that the small increase in unemployment is actually a good thing — it might indicate that more people are returning to the workforce but they’re just not immediately finding work. But the good news is, they are returning. Even if you argue that his assertion is questionable, it is still possible.
It will take time to truly see how employment has changed. But for now, it seems we’re a country in transition.
The Rise of Self-Employment
When I was laid off last year, I considered going back to a full-time, 9-to-5job. But after being a freelancer for so long, and especially after losing one big client, I liked the idea of having multiple baskets in which to put my eggs. That was my biggest concern — if I accepted a full-time job, could I still freelance? I wanted to make sure I had a backup plan.
This way of thinking, explains Forbes’ Kate Taylor, might be the norm for people my age. She writes:
“Millennials entered the job market in the wake of the recession … Millennials are conditioned to expect economic disruption, and have thus become risk adverse … job turn over and exploration of more flexible labor sources reveal Millennials’ fear of putting all their (career) eggs in one basket.”
Not only that, but I couldn’t even find a 9-to-5 job. Most jobs I interviewed for were part-time freelance gigs. And, sure, that probably comes with my industry — writing gigs are easier to get than writing jobs. But on the whole, freelance/self-employment seems to be increasingly popular lately.
A few years after the recession, the rate of self-employed workers significantly increased. According to Economic Modeling Specialists International, the number of self-employed workers increased from 1.3 million since 2001 to 10.6 million in 2012.
Yes, those numbers have since dropped. But experts say it might be less that people are returning to the traditional 9-to-5 job and more that they’re working part-time jobs and then supplementing income on the side. So they’re not exactly self-employed, but they’re not working full-time either. Maybe it’s not as easy as it seems to gauge the way people are changing how they work.
The “Grey Economy”
And then there’s the “grey economy,” the idea that unemployment rates are dropping because many people simply work under the table and off the books. Nik Theodore, an urban planning professor at the University of Illinois, recently told the Los Angeles Times:
“This segment of the labor market is a barometer for the economy as a whole. As employment insecurity spreads across the economy, more and more workers are being forced to turn to the street, to odd jobs, to becoming on-call workers. The question is whether this is a cyclical change, a blip or a signal of something much more fundamental.”
Technology is another important factor to consider. We’ve been talking about this for years, technology replacing jobs. But it may become a more pressing concern in the near future. At a recent speech at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, Bill Gates said:
“Twenty years from now, labor demand for lots of skill sets will be substantially lower. I don’t think people have that in their mental model.”
Between the economy, the post-recession mind-set and the role of technology, the traditional 9-to-5 model of earning a living is being challenged. In short, we’re adapting. But where will we go from here?
When I started writing this series of posts on challenging traditional models of financial well-being, it started off as one post. I just wanted to write about how we’re in transition — how college and homeownership and the workforce are changing.
But there was a lot of information and points of discussion in each of those areas — and so much of it is debatable. Unemployment is a complex issue; and while I feel like self-employment is the way of the future, not everyone agrees with this. Some think unemployment is on the mend and people will return to the paradigm.
What do you think: Will we return to the traditional model of earning income from one steady source or will we adapt to the point that full-time jobs are no longer the norm?
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There are 42 comments to "The 9-to-5 job: Challenging how we earn a living".
Frankly, I think the accumulation of wealth in small clusters makes it a necessity for most people to earn a living through traditional work (or, at least, working at a traditional company). It is heartening to think more people will be working on their own small businesses, but I think that’s more of a growth measure of the blogging community– which has a limited capacity– than an indication most jobs will be that way in the future.
Historically, the 9-to-5 job is the anomaly. Until the Industrial Revolution, most people lived and worked on the family farm. I think that the American Dream of home ownership came from our farm roots, when you were one of the “haves” if you owned your own farm. Now that the work day isn’t tied to shift work in the factory, it’s evolving again.
+1. Exactly my thought.
Forget where I saw this (maybe here?) but the state was something along the lines of: “In 1800, only 20% of people received a paycheck, by 19xx, 90% of people did.” (Not sure about the exact numbers.)
Employment norms have changed before and they will change again. People will adapt. Institutions will take longer.
The transition may be painful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream
Not home ownership
That all depends on the needs of our oligarch corporate overlords, doesn’t it? Most likely they’ll still provide 8/9-5 and benefits to the skilled workers that they need and the remaining folks will continue to be treated as cogs and denied benefits and given unreliable shift work at non-living wages. Unless the government steps in and regulates, but given that our oligarch corporate overlords have lobbying powers and are many politicians back-up job after leaving office…
Yes. This. In my own experience, working multiple part-time jobs with no benefits hasn’t been a choice that gives me more freedom than 9-5, it’s been a necessity in organizations where the goal is to save money on labor by hiring more, cheaper workers. Not all contract and freelance positions actually pay the premium they should to cover those forms of overhead employers usually pay, either. That means even if you’re not putting all your eggs in one basket, no basket actually has enough eggs to eat, so you’re just getting a different form of insecurity.
I’m sure there are people like Kristin who willingly choose that, and are able to make enough to make it worthwhile, but I’m not sure I’d put such a positive spin on “changing the way we work.”
This is a good reason why education is still worthwhile. The income/wealth gap between the skilled and unskilled is widening. Sure there are a few enterprising souls who can strike out on their own and find gold, but the vast majority need skills to be on the right side of this equation.
All these articles about whether college is worthwhile (including Kristen’s) are focusing on the wrong things. The question is how to get the best education for the least amount of debt.
Technology has made it easier and less expensive for average people to become entrepreneurs. Thus, I think the traditional thinking of a 9-5 job will slowly go to the wayside. Will it go away forever? No. But unlike your opening statement, I never dreamed of having a job and working for someone else. I wanted to be my own boss. In June I left the workforce to do so. I have several friends, millennials and Gen Xers, all doing the same thing.
The traditional 9-5 job will always be around. But for sure, digital media has made it so easy for people to venture out and explore new ways to stream income.
I personally knew about a dozen folks who were laid off during the recession and none of them “quit” looking for employment and all are now technically employed even if it’s multiple part time jobs. Given the BLS definition of unemployed means a person was looking for work in just the past 4 weeks, I can see how a number drop off the chart especially in very depressed areas where people have stopped looking “officially” and are now relying on under the table and piecemeal income.
This, about a hundred times. Many of my colleagues are reporting that permanent full-time work in my field seems to be a luxury of the past. Semi-monthly contract work is now the norm, making employees bounce all over and letting companies cheat everyone out of health insurance.
Nice write up. As a Millennial I am also very risk averse and have several passive income streams so a job loss would not be so disastrous. I use the internet to make some side income and hopefully I’ll be able to turn it into a full time business. Great post, thanks for sharing.
First, can you believe we thought we were going to be rich once we graduated and started earning money? Sigh….growing up comes with more responsibilities.
Second, it’s hard for me to imagine a freelance life right now. I do the 50 hour work week at a corporation and it’s nice knowing there’s a paycheck every two weeks. IDK…I think one day when I feel financially secure I will venture out and do my own thing. I just don’t when.
I think freelancing only applies to certain careers like writers, photographers, artist, etc. But you can’t really freelance science. I don’t know of a single freelancing Chemist. For some careers, you need the 9 to 5 or you’ll end up having to do something else.
If you’re going to be a writer, a painter, an actor, or a musician for example, you don’t need to go to college because your talents could land you jobs or gigs. But no respectable company is going to hire a self-taught Doctor.
I think teenagers should really think about what it is that they would like to do for the rest of their lives and figure out whether or not you need a college education to achieve it. College or a 9 to 5 job are necessary to be successful, but they might be required for certain careers, if that’s what you want to do.
I agree. My biggest concern is that there’s nothing out there preparing people to choose a career they will really enjoy/excel at until AFTER they’ve already put themselves into student load debt. Then they get a job in their field and find they hate it. I don’t claim to have any answers on how to fix that, but something needs to be done to try and prevent that. I’d love to go back to school but I have no idea what I want to do and just picking a major and investing a ton of money on a hunch seems like a terrible way to plan one’s career.
Maybe co-op education? Students have the chance to try out different career paths and industries while earning money for school. (At some schools, students graduate with up to two years paid work experience)
I think it’s really difficult to choose a career path these days because things change so quickly. The career I’m in didn’t exist when I was in high school.
I agree with Post #10. I think it the 9-5 thing really depends on the career that you choose. I am in accounting and so is my husband. I work 8-4 daily with no overtime while my husband works a 40 hour work week with 12 hour days + weekends for quarter ends and year end. With regards to the future I’m not really sure what will be… I know that for accounting, cloud accounting is becoming really popular so a 9-5 job may not be necessary. When I was in school this was also my dream… steady income, good benefits etc. but now that I’ve been working for 2-3 years I know I can’t be doing this until retirement. Our plan is to save enough such that our needs our covered by our savings in 10 years time. By that time, I will still work but more part-time and volunteering.
I don’t think too many people are choosing freelancing instead of 9-5 (and let’s be real, it’s 8-5 or 9-6). I’ve tried working for myself and working non traditional jobs and I much, much prefer the stability of my 9-5. I could bill a much higher hourly rate on my own but I’d have to give up the sure thing, plus health insurance, retirement, paid leave and quite a few other benefits.
For those laughing at the idea that we would be “rich” after college, I do feel rich compared to how I was in college. I don’t make much but it sure is nice not to have to spend 8 hours a day working for free. Going back to grad school at age 26 sucked mostly for that reason.
Interesting article, but I question whether we are thinking about the full scope of jobs. So many of the full time jobs I can think of are ones that require post-high school education and where employers are trying to find the right fit, a quality employee, and turn-over costs are high because there is a steep learning curve. These include accountants, marketing, doctor’s offices, dentists/hygienists, vets, teachers & teacher aides, lawyers, construction, retail execs., commercial carriers, divers, etc. These type of jobs dominate our economy and will not go away. These will always be full time in my opinion because it costs too much and takes too much time to be proficient in those areas.
However, we also have a lot of jobs where truthfully, the cost to an employer for high turn-over is not that great and you don’t need a lot of education, including fast food, cashiers/stockers in retail, waitresses, etc. These never had to be full-time jobs and in our economy, there are likely more part-time jobs.
In today’s world, though, we also have an increase in jobs where a person does not need to work with a team or office and where that person can supply something based on his or her own, where a need arises. Internet businesses, writing, blogging, . . .
I was thinking the same thing — that 9-5 versus self-employed is a false dichotomy. I couldn’t have been a self employed teacher any more than my friends who are nurses could be self employed either — never mind the firemen, police officers, HR personnel, people who are in the military, etc.
I do wonder if we’re seeing a reversal of sorts though. There’s a skilled labour shortage in parts of Canada because for the past few decades people discouraged their children from jobs in the trades and wanted them to pursue office jobs (despite their talents and personalities). Now office jobs aren’t a sure thing and there’s good money to be made working with your hands.
All remarks here IMHO:
If technology remained static, I could see a slow drift back to 9-5 jobs. But since advances in technology that ultimately replace people are continuing to be made, I think there will be increasing pressure to extend the current model: Full-time/overtime jobs with benefits for the small percentage of very talented, intelligent, and skilled workers, and part-time jobs without benefits for the bottom 95% or so. Businesses used to see workers as assets, now they see them as costly liabilities to replace with technology as much as possible. Without governmental intervention, i.e., changes to laws, I think this will accelerate, and the developing model of PT work with freelancing and under-the-table work will continue to grow out of the sheer necessity of survival. There needs to be a societal shift in thinking before this trajectory is changed.
Also IMHO, the other influence is going to be the depletion of our planet’s resources and how much of the population dies from war, famine, and disease as a result. Not cheery, I know, but that is also a direction we’re heading in as a result of overconsumption to drive business profits. This may be a starkly “liberal” point of view, but I see it simply as an underlying factor influencing how we earn our livings. Historically, the middle class began to come into existence after the bubonic plague wiped out some 30% of the population in the mid-1300’s, because the pool of labor shrunk so much that wages rose dramatically. If we are unfortunate enough to have a(nother) mass die-off, that would change the types of jobs available and what wages are paid for them.
But no, I don’t think we’re returning to the old model of most people working 9-5. I think the current model is here to stay, at least for a couple of generations. Or until we become the country of Panem like in the Hunger Games.
The best way to branch out on your own, I believe, is to do so with the security of a steady anchor. When my husband lost his job in high-tech with the demise of Nortel, we were very fortunate in that I had a steady teaching job. I provided the anchor while he began a home business. It has taken years, but he is now successfully self-employed, and although he isn’t making as high an income as he did through the best of his high-tech days (at least, not yet) there is an excitement and creativity involved in self-employment that we didn’t have before. It would feel way too risky without my steady job, but in combination with it, our experience of non-traditional work has added a spice to life. Our situation has made us feel more responsible for our finances and for our retirement. We used to think in terms of the pension plans available through our respective places of work, but now we’re taking more ownership of our savings, and we’re intentionally budgeting with the future in mind. It has never made more sense to save and invest towards financial freedom.
I think that we will see more and more freelance opportunities in the future.
Nowadays companies prefer outsourcing their tasks instead of hiring new employees simply because it’s cheaper to do so.
Freelance is basically the new job market!
Most people I know (including me) work an 8-5 job AND have one or more side jobs. Or they are attorneys and work 8 a.m. – midnight. Sigh.
I personally think the “9-5 ’til your 65” way of working is flat out unhealthy. Between getting ready for work, commuting and winding down, there is very little time during the week for personal pursuits. Giving 5 days to the boss and 2 days off is not work/life balance, in my opinion. Plus, waking up to an alarm clock is not a healthy way for our bodies to start the day. Additionally, if you are an office worker, you have a double whammy with a lack of: exercise, fresh air, sunlight and views. It reminds me of an animal kept in captivity in an unnatural environment. Not for me.
Yes! Human beings (nor animals as you mentioned) were meant to spend that much time in a climate-controlled setting…IMO. It was fine for me for 5-6 years, but it was really taking a toll on my mental and physical health.
Don’t forget that after spending time in the job environment, many people have need to then go to another climate-controlled environment (the gym) to make up for all of the inactivity of the day, which even further reduces one’s free time. With my new jobs, I walk an average of 8 miles per day and am outside up to 10 hours per day; the general recommendation is 10,000 steps per day, most days on the days I work, I hit 20,000. My calves have never looked better.
What are you doing where you get so much walking?
Definitely not for me nor my husband but those are the breaks unless you’re creative beyond the average person to be able to work a job in the creative field that takes you out of the office, young and able bodied to work as a fire fighter, smart (and young) to acquire the education to work in healthcare, etc.
Maybe if fulltime, “9-5” type jobs fall out of the norm, there will be more of a push to include similar benefits for part time jobs. Some part time employers are already on this idea and offer benefits (reduced, but still) to their part-time employees. Benefits such as paid time off, sick time, 401k, and health and dental insurance at discount rates.
Since most part-time jobs pay much less than fulltime positions it would be wonderful to not have to take a paycheck hit for taking a day off, especially if you work multiple part time jobs and wouldn’t have one off otherwise.
I think there is definitely something to the theories you mentioned in this article Kristin. One only needs to look at how full time jobs and people’s relationships to them have changed. Pensions are mostly a thing of the past, people are not staying with the same companies for more than a few years before they are off to another, similar company, or even another industry. People are more mobile and that has been shown to have a lot to do with it, but I personally think also that there’s just a lot more out there, and with the internet and media comes the knowledge of what exactly is out there and younger people, or burned out older folks are not settling anymore.
For the first time since graduating college 7 years ago, I am not working full time and I’m loving it (other than having to provide my own benefits). I now work 2 part time jobs and plan on making extra money on the side doing who knows what yet…but plans are in the works. I find that with part time work, I have more freedom. I can up and leave for 6 weeks (like I did this summer), and it’s fine. I understand not all part time jobs are like this, but there’s likely to be more that are than full-time ones…unless you’ve worked there for 20 years and accumulated a butt-load of time off. And even now they are being more strict (stingy) with how much you are even allowed to roll over. Boy I can get into a whole nother topic about how some jobs think they own your life just because they pay your health insurance lol! And they are conditioned to…it’s a real consideration people have for why they won’t leave a job or retire early otherwise.
lmoot says:
11 September 2014 at 11:10 am
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Just think when the need for health and dental insurance just dwindles down to supplemental (I’m being optimistic here folks), what THAT will do to the fulltime labor market.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the lack of full-time positions, and of people’s interest and need for them, which finally pushes us to collectively call for public healthcare. I hope it happens in my working lifetime. After having my first experience with public health care when my sister had emergency surgery overseas, it made a terrible experience into a bearable one. Our parents were already wiring us money in anticipation of the cost so “shock” is an understatement of how I felt when I asked the nurse how much the surgery was and she said “free”. I will be fair though, it wasn’t completely free. General anesthesia was $80, supplies totaled about $150 and the bag of blood for transfusion was $250…but we donated it to the hospital since we ended up not needing it.
Keep in mind this was in West Africa, in a hospital where you needed to collect buckets of well water in order to flush the toilets. America is great in most things, but I think we’re getting this whole health care thing wrong.
*off soap box* CARRY ON!
What are your part-time jobs?
SJDJOY, I work as a guide in the interactive exhibits and sometimes get to host one of the shows at a zoo, and I also work as a tour guide in the education department at another zoo/themepark.
One is a not-for-profit so the pay stinks, and the other is only slightly better, but some of the perks are that between the two jobs, thanks to a state-wide attraction share program for employees, I get to do almost every recreational thing in my state for free for myself and often for several family and friends at a time…including things that are normally $100+ per ticket. I’ve already taken advantage of thousands of dollars of free entertainment.
I have no idea what work model “we” will transition to, I just know that “I” am so over 9-5, or 8-6, or whatever you want to call it. December 31 will be my last day there, though my bosses don’t know it yet. I don’t have any plans past that but I’ll worry about that when it gets here. The only thing that keeps me motivated to go to work every day is knowing that it will soon come to an end.
I suspect where writing and other creative jobs are concerned, full time gigs are becoming less common due to supply and demand. If everyone and their dog wants to write — and many people are willing to write for free or less than minimum wage — then many companies will pursue the cheapest product possible. (Some companies will always pay for good quality)
Though, I do hope that trend reverses itself and more companies will realize they should pay for good quality content.
I sure hope the 9-to-5 mill doesn’t remain the norm. Millennials are seeking different avenues because they want flexibility and autonomy. They don’t want to have to ask their company if they can go spend time with their friends or family like a five-year-old would her parents.
The rise of the Internet has certainly made it possible for people to get the flexibility they are looking for. I’m just wondering when corporations are going to start to catch on and allow for that flexibility and autonomy.
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Just think when the need for health and dental insurance just dwindles down to supplemental (I’m being optimistic here folks), what THAT will do to the fulltime labor market.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the lack of full-time positions, and of people’s interest and need for them, which finally pushes us to collectively call for public healthcare. I hope it happens in my working lifetime. After having my first experience with public health care when my sister had emergency surgery overseas, it made a terrible experience into a bearable one. Our parents were already wiring us money in anticipation of the cost so “shock” is an understatement of how I felt when I asked the nurse how much the surgery was and she said “free”. I will be fair though, it wasn’t completely free. General anesthesia was $80, supplies totaled about $150 and the bag of blood for transfusion was $250…but we donated it to the hospital since we ended up not needing it.
Keep in mind this was in West Africa, in a hospital where you needed to collect buckets of well water in order to flush the toilets. America is great in most things, but I think we’re getting this whole health care thing wrong.
*off soap box* CARRY ON!
I have just turned 32 and haven’t gone back to Full time work since my son was born two years ago. My husband isn’t working in the traditional sense either. We are travelling long term and building a freelance business however we had no work in August so we are relying on savings and income from a rental property. We have no debt other than our mortgages and live a very frugal but fulfilling lifestyle. Last year we both took contract jobs at different times so one of us could be home with our son. I think the fact that we come from a country with free universal healthcare means we don’t worry about benefits as much as Americans. My son gets free doctors visits until he starts school and ours cost a max of $40. Plus I’ve always worked more than one job so I am used to casual and part time jobs. I actually prefer the flexibility. Although my full time income was fabulous most of it would have been eaten up by daycare had I gone back to work. I much prefer my life now.
Personally I’m happy with my own online business. Some of my friends are doing 9 to 5, and compared to them, I can say, I have more freedom, more financial Independence, and I can live my life however I want!
I am not a millenial, if I had been born just a year or two sooner I could have been a boomer. I never witnessed anyone in my family have a 9-5 job. Both sets of grandparents had family businesses, my parents worked shift work (a truck driver and a nurse) but never 9-5 and always with a side gig, my husband started in hospitality and always worked more than 40 hours, then he was in a corporate environment that expected him to work 365 days a year for a total of 75-90 hours per week, he now has an easier corporate job where he only has to put it 55-60 hours per week. I have been self employed for the last 22 years. What have I learned from this??? Many baskets are better than one, and I have never seen evidence that a 40 hour work week is the norm. Things are changing and for those who had the elusive 9-5 job….that is going by the wayside.
As someone from generation X all of my life to date ive had 9-5 jobs. After I was laid off I quickly picked up a on-demand part time job and then 5 months later found another 9-5 job. I still work the on demand job to diversify my income. I think on-demand work is the future. On demand roles offer a flexibiliy unmatched in any other job ive ever had, no work life balance issues. Mobile technology has made the workforce more flexible and will canibilize traditional 9-5 jobs.
I think we will have to adapt to the point that 9-5 jobs are no longer the norm. My husband and I went through a ton of education in hopes of obtaining secure 9-5 jobs. Once we entered the labor force we found employers who were hiring independent contractors only so that they can weasel out of paying their portion of FICA even when the job description did not fit the self – employed definition. Self- employment may be on the rise because of crooked bosses like these.
I really found this to be an interesting post. 9-5 jobs are a unicorn I think. You can’t make a living…I have been reading a very interesting book on finance and it’s unique because of it’s angle. It’s called The Joy of Skinny: Finances. It’s by 2 ladies Marcia Montgomery and Charla Aylsworth. They aren’t your average finance gurus, but their practical lessons are something to think about. Good read, their site is skinnylivingproject.com, sometimes we need to look at these times simply and not try so hard.