How to Win the Lottery
Wednesday, 27th August 2008 (by J.D.)This article is about Basics, Choices, Funny Money, Odds and Ends
Ray Otero cannot buy a break. For the past three years, he’s spent $500 to $700 a week playing the lottery, but he’s only won big a few times: $1,000 once and $2,000 twice. Still he keeps playing. He’s sure his luck is bound to change.
Otero’s story, told in a recent New York Times article, is simultaneously funny, poignant, and exasperating. This New York City building superintendent simply wants the “easy life” for his family. He wants to find the money to move back home to Puerto Rico.
So why doesn’t he save the money from working? Because working is for suckers:
Working is for poor uneducated men — a sucker’s game, [Otero] said, where one must run increasingly fast to keep one’s place in line. “You’re making money on the one side and spending it on the other,” he said. “If all you’re doing is working, you’re never going to win.”
And so he’s poured his money into the lottery, looking for his chance to get rich quickly. So far it hasn’t worked. To make matters worse, his friend and neighbor, a doorman named Richie Randazzo, won five million dollars after only spending $30 a week on tickets. “It really isn’t fair,” Mr. Otero said. But what Mr. Otero doesn’t realize is that winning the lottery has nothing to do with luck.
Against all odds
My youngest brother, Tony, used to play the lottery. One day I had to get something out of his car, and I was shocked at the hundreds of scratch-off tickets tucked into every nook and cranny.
“Tony,” I’d said. “Why do you do this? You’re wasting your money.”
“No, I’m not,” he said. “I’ve pretty much broken even on the lottery. I’ve made as much as I’ve spent.”
I knew that this was highly improbable, but didn’t see any sense in arguing. Sure, a newcomer to playing the lottery might be able to claim she’s broken even because she’s only spent about $30 total on it, but has won fifty bucks. But the longer anyone plays, the more likely they are to be a net loser. The longer a person plays, the bigger loser they become.
Just for kicks, I looked through the New York state lottery web site. There are a variety of games offered. None of them have encouraging odds.
- The $1 scratch-off games offer odds of one in five. On average, you’d have to spend $5 to win anything, and even then you’re far more likely to win a buck or two than anything else.
- The more expensive scratch-off games ($5, $10, $20) have better odds (up to one winner in every 3.5 tickets), but more gradual payoffs. That is, it’s more difficult to win a big prize.
- The lottery drawings have even worse odds. The daily Take Five game, for example, has odds of about one in ten. But the base prize is just a free lottery ticket. The odds of winning money are one in 100!
There’s no question: playing the lottery as a strategy to gain money is a fool’s game. Play the lottery for fun if you want, but don’t do it because you think it’s going to help your financial situation. The easiest way to win the lottery is not to play.
A sure thing
If you really want to improve your finances, do something boring with your money. Put it in a savings account. Invest it in the stock market. (Hell, loan it to your brother-in-law. You’re less likely to lose the money with him than with the lottery.)
If you really want to win with your money, take advantage of the extraordinary power of compound interest. If you don’t have a Roth IRA, start one. Use it to buy indexed mutual funds. If that sounds too complicated for you, then open a savings account.
While it’s true that 3% isn’t a huge return on your money, it’s far more than the 80% loss you can expect every time you buy a lottery ticket. (See the comments for a more rigorous mathematical explanation of the actual expected returns.) If Mr. Otero would put $30,000 a year into into a savings account, he’d have about $164,000 after five years. He’d have over $350,000 after ten years. I suspect that’s plenty of money for him to fulfill his dream of moving back to Puerto Rico.
[The New York Times: Thousands later, he sees lottery's cruelty close up, via My Open Wallet — image by midweekpost]


August 27th, 2008 at 11:16 am
The lottery is gambling any way you look at it, but $700 a week that is an addiction.
-Tabs
August 27th, 2008 at 11:27 am
I once heard the lottery described as a tax on fools. I’m not sure I’d go as far as to say that, but some people apparently don’t learn from their mistakes.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Saving?
B-O-R-I-N-G.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Lotteries are really just a form of state taxation since this is often where the extra money goes . . . it just happens to be voluntary.
I’m glad people like Ray Otero are more than willing to help out by paying additional these taxes so the rest of us don’t.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Just thought I’d share a little story.
One of my old teachers used to caution us against the lottery for another reason. Studies have shown that, on average, folks who have won the lottery are much less happy than the average joe.
So, the moral of the story? Don’t play the lottery, it’s too dangerous. You might win.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Good point with saying “Play the lottery for fun if you want” as that makes it as acceptable as buying a candy bar once in a while.
To really make money, we should make it illegal to throw cigarettes out of the window of a car. Charge each smoking loser $50 bucks and we can reduce the national debt within a decade! =)
August 27th, 2008 at 11:56 am
That story was really amazing. With that kind of dedication to scrapping money to together, this guy could really amass a large lump of cash. And he’s throwing it all away!
August 27th, 2008 at 11:59 am
when I was in college, I worked in a gas station for awhile. We had a lot of regulars come in and spend lots of money every night on the lottery. The daily pick 3 was the most popular. However, once a woman came in and bought $55 worth of tickets on a game that only paid out $50 for a win. That was sad.
That being said, they say that the lottery is a tax on people who can’t do math but I did some math. If I play mega millions twice a week for 30 years, that is $3120 which is not a lot over the course of a lifetime. The odds of winning are not very good(actually they suck) but if you win the grand prize just once then wasn’t it worth it? If you will actually miss the $2/week then maybe it is better spent elsewhere but I can spare it so why not? It’s a two dollar day dream.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Something else to think about when purchasing lottery tickets:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/30/lottery-family.html
Here in Ontario, the OLGC now requires a verbal and visual announcement of the winnings because cashiers were telling customers they didn’t win when they actually did, and keeping the money.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
i play the lottery every week. $2 a week. I certainly don’t use it as an investment strategy, though i wouldn’t mind it working out as such…
@Christine
Studies show a lot of things, but i don’t necessarily buy into a meaningful correlation between winning the lottery & unhappiness… Playing the lottery & being discontent, perhaps, but that’s something else.
(Also, a lot of state lotteries put the money toward a variety of useful causes… i think of it as a foolish hope tax)
August 27th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I consider the lottery to be for entertainment purposes only. Spending $1 on a ticket once in a while just for fun isn’t a problem. Just as long as you realize your chances of winning are next to nothing and you’re only doing it for the fun of it.
@Victor, “we should make it illegal to throw cigarettes out of the window of a car”
Where I live it is illegal and I think theres an extra fine if you do it in a wooded area where it could cause a forest fire. It depends on the local/state laws though, but I expect its probably illegal in most places.
Jim
August 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
And then if you DO win, they tax the
winnings….figuring you won’t mind
then. Yeah, it’s easy to look at people
like Mr. Otero as dummies, but it’s the
lottery administrations who are the
predators. Have you seen some of the ads?
Vultures…..
August 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Harm, you make a great point about taxes. I thought about that as I was falling asleep last night, but didn’t remember again til you mentioned it. That makes your lottery winnings even less than you expect them to be.
So, you’re taking $30,000 of after-tax money (let’s say $40,000 pre-tax), and converting it into maybe $2,000 a year of winnings, which, when taxed, are only $1,500. Not a good deal.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
My brother-in-law has all these books on how to win the lottery. They’re mostly tables of numbers that haven’t come up in a while. He assumes that means those numbers must be due to appear, and he spends a lot of money that he doesn’t have. I teach an undergraduate statistics course, and I like to use him as an example of Bayesian reasoning gone astray, where you can be misled by choosing too strong a prior.
(His “system” for winning at roulette would make you cry - as one might expect, it involves very little winning.)
On the other hand, my grandma is doing well in the lottery department. For my state’s scratch-offs, you can go online and see how many of each kind of ticket remains, and how many big prizes have already been won. Grandma checks that page every day and buys tickets only when the odds seem especially good. She keeps a spreadsheet of her lottery playing - her ratio of tickets that win to tickets that lose is 1:1.8, but after a big win of $25,000 last year, she could play at the same rate for the rest of her life and still come out ahead. She finds it entertaining, and it’s inspired her to learn how to use a spreadsheet program, which is a neat new skill for a woman in her eighties. (She’s also figured out how to chart knitting patterns by changing the dimensions of the cells and coloring them in - I was really impressed!)
And Harm, you can deduct your gambling losses to offset your taxable gambling winnings on the federal income tax, so it might be a good idea to save your losing scratch-offs for a year. State rules on this vary.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
I’m not aware of studies showing lottery winners being *un*happier than non winners, but I have personally read at least one study showing they aren’t any happier than non winners. (The study actually showed them as slightly happier, but not enough to be statistically significant.) So, I think the story that they’re unhappier is an urban legend.
On the other hand, I have read a long article about Jack Whittaker, who won a $300 million lottery and it ruined his life and the lives of pretty much everyone around him.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Playing the lottery is a voluntary tax for people who are not very good at math. Sadly, most people who play can’t afford to do so.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I’ve heard people on the subway discussing their lottery strategies the same way wall street traders discuss their trading strategies. It makes me sad — the lottery players have probably overheard wall street traders and they think they are just doing the same thing. Frankly I don’t think they are too far off.
Also, Mr. Otero probably would not have the first clue how to go about buying stocks, and the lottery ticket is available right there at the corner deli.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Dave Ramsey says that lottery is a tax on the poor and people who can’t do math. I agree with him.
Also isn’t it amazing how some lottery winners seem to lose all that money in a very short time. Maybe it is because they are bad at math that they go through their winnings so quickly?
Here is a article on msnmoney about lottery winners who’ve lost all their money. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/8lotteryWinnersWhoLostTheirMillions.aspx
August 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I’m way ahead on the lottery. I got that way by winning $300 the second time I played and not playing since. What’d be the point?
August 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I realized this goes completely against the whole “Get Rich Slowly” idea, but what if you’re doing all that stuff and now you’re looking for something you can do on top of it that could move along a little faster?
Right now I contribute to my 401k, Roth IRA and a House fund. But it’s depressing to watch them get horrific returns (or at least returns that follow the market index in this bear time). What should I invest in that will have a lot of risk but could have the potential for a huge payout?
I’m tired of the waiting game, I’d like to put some money into an environment I have some influence over where I’ll hit really big or lose it all, but at least it’ll happen now.
What would you suggest for that (and please don’t just say go to a casino)?
August 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I’m reminded of a quote from the old movie Wargames.
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
@John
If you’re willing to (and can afford to) lose a portion of your capital, I’d say take a small percentage (maybe 5%) and put it into some sort of high-risk investment. I don’t know anything about the commodities market, but maybe that’s an approach. Or find a beat-up financial stock. Maybe Washington Mutual? Take your “play money” and put it into that and hope for a big return, but understand that you may lose it all. That’d be my approach, anyhow.
Right now, I’m willing to play this slow game, and so I’m going to stick to it. All my attempts at taking risk in the past have been miserable failures, and I have nothing to show for it.
I’m sure others will chime in with ideas, too.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Kittie, very true about the deductibility
of gambling losses, I’d forgotten….in fact,
thinking along those lines (and if you have
a slightly larcenous mind, LoL) if you DO
ever win, you can spend part of your day
as the track or the corner convenience
store collecting discarded losing tickets.
One could make a case that they are worth
a quarter or so each, rotfl…
August 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I call the lottery a poor tax, but it really is a dumb tax. Playing $1/week is cheap entertainment to dream about what you do if you won, $700/wk is an addiction.
There are mathematically advantageous games for people to play, but they require hard work, a large bankroll, discipline, and studying / learning the game.
@Kittie: Gambling was my sole form of income for a few years. Tax law states that you must pay taxes on GROSS wins and then deduct losses instead of paying taxes on net profit / loss. Definitely a big screw over . . .
August 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Mathematically speaking, playing the lottery every week is completely idiotic. As JD pointed out, this guarantees that your chance of losing all of your money will be 100%.
In order to maximise your chances at the lottery, you should invest all of the money you ever intend to spend (in your whole life) on a single game.
For example, in Mr Otero’s case, he should sum up all of those $500-$700 a week over the whole of his life - assuming he lives for 30 years - to give a total of $936000. He needs to get all of that money together in one place, so probably he will need to sell a kidney and mortgage his house.
Having done so, take it all down to the casino and put it on red (or black, if you like). You have an almost 50% chance of immediately doubling your money. For this method to work, you are never ever allowed to gamble again.
This is much better than the expected return of $0 over the course of the 30 years if he had continued to pay out weekly.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Now, none of that is meant to defend the lottery. Of course the lottery is a losing proposition day to day–as with any gamble, the house (here the state) is only offering the proposition because it stands to make money in the long run. But if you understand this concept, it will go a long way toward ensuring that your bets are smarter than most.
Because of this expected value concept, there are situations in which it’s smart to play the lottery. What Kittie’s grandma is doing is a form of this: strategically playing when the odds are better and the remaining payouts are higher. On any given play, she’s still likely to lose, but if she plays long enough and smart enough, she should come out ahead.
Another way to place smart bets on the lottery is to only buy tickets when the jackpot is in the record-setting $300 million range. Sure, you’re almost certainly going to lose. But you’ll be putting up such a tiny stake (since this only happens once every several years or so) and the payout is so immense that it’s actually an economically rational bet.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I feel like I have read this basic story reposted 100s of times.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Every gambling game ever invented has an expected value of less than what it takes to play. (Except if you can count cards or exploit the shuffling machine or … then your odds of getting certain cards goes up and your expected value can exceed the buy-in.) If the expected value were above the buy-in then no casino would exist for long, but lucky they set the odds, eh?
The only “rationale” reason I’ve come to find for playing the lottery is its life impact. If you can live without $5/week to play then so be it. $5/week will not change your life, but $100 million will. Has nothing to do with expecting winnings but 100% pure luck. And, no, you are not “feeling lucky”.
Even then I still don’t play the lottery. Skimming money off the buy-in then skimming money off the pay off (taxes) is what you’d expect from government and I won’t buy (pun intended) into it.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
The best way I’ve heard lotteries described is
“a tax on people who are bad at math”. I’ve purchased a few tickets over the years, mostly in pools with co-workers. I’ll be danged if they ever hit it big and I’m on the outside looking in! They’d all quit and I’d be the only one left in the department.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“Working is for poor uneducated men — a sucker’s game, [Otero] said, where one must run increasingly fast to keep one’s place in line. “You’re making money on the one side and spending it on the other,” he said. “If all you’re doing is working, you’re never going to win.”
Oh the ironing. xEleventy
Escaping the rat race. You’re doing it wrong.
/this concludes the internet-meme comment for this topic
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I normally think of the lottery as a tax on the being deficient in maths. $500 a week is a lot of deficiency.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
@Daniel (comment #8): If you put the $8/month in a low cost index fund for 30 years instead of the lottery, you would have $18,000. It’s not much, but I’d take it over a dream of winning it big.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
As many others have said, I’ve long considered the state lotto a tax on the stupid.
Colin and Brian alluded to it when talking about expected value - but I’ll put it in even simpler terms: Casinos offer better expected values than state lotteries (except when the jackpot starts to get into the hundreds of millions of dollar range).
If a casino was running the lottery like they run their slots, you’d not get paid a measly 4 million dollars for your 1 in 100 million chance to win. It’d be closer 97 to 99 million.
Who’s ripping you off?
August 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
A mathematician once told me that with most lotteries, esp. the big “powerball” multistate lotteries, your odds of winning were better by not playing. He went on to say one was more likely to FIND a winning ticket someone discarded by mistake, and win, instead of actually buying one.
The only time I ever won anything was when on a whim I bought a $1 scratch ticket with some pocket change. I won $2. I went back in the store, got my dollar back and got another dollar ticket, figuring that the entertainment value of getting the 2nd one was worth it, and hey, I got my dollar back.
I scratched it off and won ANOTHER $2. Now I should have stopped here, but I figured I’d go back ,get a dollar, and get another dollar ticket. I did, and somehow got ANOTHER $2 ticket.
At this point not only had I got my original dollar back, but I was ahead, and the entertainment value was pretty much done, since I realized there was no way in heck I was going to keep winning so I kept the money and went home.
Other than that, I don’t see how playing all these lotteries really works out for anyone. Even a slot machine pays better on average (but still has the advantage)
August 27th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
$500-700/week?!?! My mind just boggles at the thought. I would think that using that money for his family would buy them the “easy” life he’s looking for, even in New York city. I don’t know how much money Mr. Otero makes, but I make a decent amount, and even so, I’d love to have an extra $500/week in my budget! I can justify spending a small amount on lotteries, just for the entertainment value, but that’s a serious chunk of change for a lousy expected return. For the record, I will sometimes buy a ticket when the payout gets large, mostly as part of an office pool, but I don’t even bother to buy on a regular basis - I know too much math!
August 27th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I’ve heard of the numbers of bankruptcies after winning the lotto. they aren’t surprising - people who win the lotto play the lotto so the odds of them being good at finances or delayed gratification is low. I have a friend in Georgia where the lotto pays for a lot of college scholarships. her quote is “the rich have paid to educate the children of the poor for years. the lottery is a them returning the favor. it is a regressive tax on the weak minded and is shameful.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
@Dave C.
That whole “working is for suckers” thing totally reminds me of Casey Serin, who also spouted the same line. Didn’t work out for him, either.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
$500 a week is $26,000 a year. In three years, that’s $78,000.
Given that he usually plays between $500 and $700 a week, he’s probably thrown away at least $80,000 (if not $90,000 or $100,000).
That’s insane.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
That’s a colossal sum of money. I see people regularly at local corner bodegas who spent ages at the counter buying this game, that game, checking this ticket, then that one. It’s insane. Re odds, my mother knows a man who has won the lottery not once, but twice! Ironically he is a surgeon anyway, so hardly needed the extra cash. I like playing with the gang at work when there’s a big prize. It’s fun - and insurance against them all winning and quitting and leaving me alone.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
The odds of winning the Super Lotto (available in many states) is constant, around 1 in 120 million. But the payoff varies depending on how many suckers (ahem, players) bought tickets and how long it’s been since the last winner.
So I buy a $1 ticket when the jackpot exceeds 126 million. That way my expected return is at least $1.05, provided there are no other winners. I’m practically guaranteed to come out ahead, right?
August 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
the lottery is a tax for the ignorant.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I personally think the lottery should be illegal as it is basically a tax on people who really can’t afford it. And even framed as some kind of game, how is it we can discuss welfare while simultaneously encouraging (advertising?) people to waste their money.
I’ve heard it as a tax on people bad at math.
On the other hand - if you are going to play, your best odds are to buy a single ticket. Yes, buying two or three tickets doubles or triples your chances, but that is nothing compared to the infinitely greater chance of winning by buying the first ticket. You go from zero chance of winning to one in a million (or worse) with that first ticket, the rest are just losers.
I remember in stats class we calculated lottery odds as average net winnings per person who plays. Might put a better perspective on it if every knew the average player loses $250 per game or something.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
It’s hard to feel sorry for someone who complains of a constant headache but who will not stop bashing their head on a wall.
I make just about $30,000 per year and I’m richer than this guy I bet. I’ll also wager that he complains that he needs a raise to make ends meet too.
Sad.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I’m kind of a fan of when I have a bad day at work, I’ll pick up a $2 lottery ticket on the way home.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Here’s a GREAT piece about the lottery on This American Life:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1182
It’s “Act Two. Show Me the Annuity” and talks about a guy who used to buy the jackpots from lottery winners who were paid in installments and wanted one lump sum. The “vast majority, he says, wish they’d never won.”
August 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Everyone else has already commented a lot, but one thing I will add about expected value is this:
You’re not the only one that says “I’ll play when the jackpot is greater than $X million”, where X is usually a round number like 50 million, 100 million, etc. I don’t remember whether it was “Stumbling on Happiness” by Gilbert or just an old statistics class, but if you follow historical participation numbers, you’ll find that waiting for the big jackpot doesn’t increase your expected ticket value as much as you’d think, because the odds of multiple winners (and thus a split pot) is so much higher.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
@Brian: my explanation of expected value was very simplified. The winnings of the jackpot is dependent upon the number of players who bet the same numbers, which in itself is a random variable. To make it worse the number of players is, as you pointed out, dependent/linked to the size of the jackpot.
So when the jackpot is more that draws more players which increases the probability of players having the same numbers which decreases the expected value.
I’d be willing to guess that the probability of the jackpot is also tied into the probability of people playing which makes calculating the true probability and the true expected value much much harder.
August 27th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
The stories for past winners put always oil to the fire. This could have been you!!! … not many know that the chances of becoming a millionaire with regular saving and investing are much much higher then winning the lottery.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
JD,
This is the best blog post I have read in months. Just yesterday I had a discussion with a co-worker who purchased a lottery ticket hoping to win big.
I was told I should go buy one.
Funny thing is this person is 5 or so years older than me and I have significantly more savings and investments.
If I did by a lottery ticket every time someone said you are going to miss out, I know I would have a lot less when looking at my bottom line.
Derrick
August 27th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Poor guy. I play the lottery every tuesday and saturday, my dad always tells me only buy one ticket. Independent probability!????
August 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
My plan to win the Power-Ball hundred million dollar lottery is to find the winning ticket. I image that my chances are not appreciably worse than those of someone who buys 100 tickets.
August 27th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
It’s so sad that he thinks his “ticket out” is worth spending $500 to $700 per week on and ending up with absolutely nothing! If he just put that money in a high interest savings account he’d have plenty of money in a few years to move back to Puerto Rico.
But he doesn’t want to wait for a few years, so he’ll wait forever instead.
Lotteries are a form of voluntary taxation, financed with after tax dollars, which is why in Canada lottery winnings are tax free (although you pay taxes on the interest you earn on the money or on capital gains from investments you make with it).
I would not play the lottery in the US because of the taxation issue and the fact that they don’t actually pay out the full amount (you get a portion of it annually for many years or a much smaller payout) but I occasionally buy a 6/49 ticket when the prize is high, like $25 or $30 million.
Do I think I’m going to win? Only if that’s G-d’s plan for me, and I can’t win if I don’t buy a ticket, but I only need one, not $500 worth.
Or I could just get struck by lightning, but I hope that’s not in the plan, even though my chances are slightly better of having an electrifying experience than of winning the 6/49.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
A bit amusing trivia: did you know it’s possible to win $1 playing roulette, guaranteed? Here’s how:
1. Bet $1. If you win, you’ve won a dollar; stop.
2. Okay, you lost. You’re out $1. Bet $2. If you win, you’ve won a dollar; stop.
3. Okay, you lost again. You’re out $3. No problem, bet $4 . . .
You’ll eventually win. $1.
The corollary, of course, is that if you try this too many times, you’ll eventually lose enough times in a row that you won’t have enough money to make the next bet.
August 28th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Dove:
Your final sentence, which is correct, contradicts your earlier statement.
Your “strategy” is no guarantee that you will come out positive. Assume everyone plays like this — enough people will run out of money before they ever become positive that the house would still come out ahead. The only way to make this work 100% is if everyone playing had an infinite amount of money to bring to the table.
I just found an old quote on roulette that says “You cannon beat a Roulette table unless you steal money from it.” Seems appropriate, but I think that the statement can be expanded to any game where the house has an advantage, and my understanding is that the lottery has just about the biggest house advantage to be found anywhere (28% at the best state lotteries versus 5% for roulette.)
August 28th, 2008 at 4:16 am
This discussion made me recall a fantastic statement that Rolf Potts made about the lottery in his book, Vagabonding. Luckily, he posted an excerpt on his blog:
http://www.vagablogging.net/you-have-already-won-the-lottery.html
August 28th, 2008 at 4:35 am
I think the lottery is a waste of money, and if it becomes a weekly habit, the amount spent per week can be invested in something thats actually going to make money. However, I do believe in pitching in for office or co-worker lottery buy-ins since it would feel completely terrible if everyone was in on it but myself and one of the numbers actually hit. I can’t imagine being the only one remaining in the office after a complete exodus or worse, everyone continuing to work and having to deal with gloating. I do continue to say that if I won the lottery, my spending habits would remain the same and I would continue to work.
August 28th, 2008 at 5:34 am
I have a friend who’s brother won a large lottery. He saw a number of things happen very quickly:
- Problems in relationships become magnified, the brother and wife were having issues, and now they could afford to divorce each other so a year or two later they did.
- Family often expects a share of the winnings. The brother was happy to hand out $10,000 checks to his brothers and sisters and the wife’s brothers and sisters that Christmas, only to find that a few of their siblings weren’t only ungrateful, they were downright indignant that that’s all he gave them and they felt they deserved much more!
- It becomes really hard to teach your kids about the value of work and being frugal with your money when they see you winning a lottery. They get a real sense of entitlement. Couple this with the stress and guilt of divorce, other cousins and relatives hassling them, and it’s even harder.
- Friends and relatives pop out of the woodwork with great deals, typically bringing some shyster banker or lawyer to the table who has convinced them that they have a great deal for you, and of course a nice kickback for the friend or relative (typically tens of thousands of dollars). To the friend or relation, it’s a win/win since the lottery winner gets a great deal and they get a nice “finders” fee. How many of these ideas do you imagine really make any money for the lottery winner?
All in all, is it any wonder that many of these folks who win go under in a couple of years.
August 28th, 2008 at 6:08 am
If you’re, say, an electrical engineer, your odds of getting a million dollars by working are much better than your odds of getting a million dollars by playing the lottery. If you’re, say, a hairdresser, this is not necessarily true.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Wow. I’m really surprised at the amount of sanctimonious replies here. “A tax on the stupid” - Don’t fall down off that high horse, y’all, you’re liable to break your neck.
Yes, I play the lottery. No, I don’t go out to eat very often, nor to the movies. How many people here that made those sorts of comments go to the movies or rent a movie once a week? Or smoke cigarettes? That’s more than the $2 I spend on the lottery each week, yet somehow *your* money is so much better spent than mine.
For me, it’s entertainment. I get to daydream. I get to live in the future a little bit. My odds aren’t appreciably better if I buy one ticket than if I buy ten, so I just buy the one for each drawing. And I feel a little bit better knowing that about $1/week goes toward state programs that I’m all too happy to support. Also, like Kittie’s grandmother, I’ve learned how to create a simple spreadsheet by detailing what I’d spend the winnings on, creating a cell that sums how much certain cells would be, how much others would be, what would be the interest of the lump payout of one year, etc.
I agree that in Mr. Otero’s case, the money could probably be better spent, but who am I to say? It’s his money and his life. I’ve made poor money decisions, but that’s why I’m here at JD’s site, to help myself, not peer down my nose at “the sad” and “the stupid”.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
It really saddens me to see people who appear to be fairly poor (yeah yeah, assumptions are bad, w/e, we all make them) wasting their money on this. And the convenience store owners egg them on! I had one owner try to convince me to buy a lottery ticket with my change of a dollar. I told him why take the risk when I can invest this dollar and know for a fact that I will get a better return?
I don’t think he understood what I meant…you see, for these people the only way for them to get rich is to “get rich quick”, which in their situation means zero effort on their behalf. So in other words, they are waiting for a miracle. This sort of miraculous thinking is part of what drags down our economy. Don’t just sit there waiting for good fortune to find you–go out there and carve your own path.
August 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I guess I’m one of those suckers who buys lottery tickets. Not every day or every week but sometimes when I’m in a good mood when I’m walking home from work I’ll go into this gas station on the way and get exactly $2 of tickets. So far I haven’t won while living in this town, but I did a similar thing when I lived in Chicago and won 70 bucks or so (matched 4 numbers). Probably I’m about even so it’s a cheap form of entertainment.
Oh yes and drinking is bad for your health, you shouldn’t eat potato chips, and jaywalking is against the law.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
What everybody who dreams about winning the lottery forgets is the background of the biggest U.S. lottery winner (so far)
He is a businessman who had the discipline and work ethic to start his first business at age 15 and build his to the point where his net worth was very comfortable *before* he won the lottery.
Yet he managed to lose all his prior net worth, his lottery winnings, and many prior relationships (e.g. his marriage)
Don’t kid yourself - if he couldn’t be a “successful” lottery winner with his “pulled myself up by my bootstraps” background, you can’t either.
Unless you want to spend your life permanently on the road away from family and friends (and every hustler in the world) who *will* see you as an easy mark.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I have to agree with SamTheButcher about the “tax on stupid” criticism being a bit excessive. Throwing away $1 once in a while on the lottery is no more stupid than the less than perfect financial choices that almost all of us have made and continue to make.
August 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@SamTheButcher - I don’t think the $2/week you spend falls into the stupidity tax bracket, but $500-700/week as in the original story certainly does! I’m only an ocassional player myself, but when I do buy a ticket, I get to spend a couple of days playing “what if” From an entertainment standpoint, I consider it better bang for my buck than a night at the movies. The California lottery (where I live) used to run ads saying things like “you can’t win if you don’t play” - certainly a true statement, if somewhat disingeneous. Spending a small and affordable amount on a chance doesn’t seem like a crime to me. However, spending $500-700/week and then complaining about it, that’s a different story. The linked article says Mr. Otero nets $40k/year (plus a free apartment) and he spent $30k last year on the Lottery. “But working is for poor uneducated men — a sucker’s game, he said” Yea, right…
August 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
$500-700/week on the lottery is sad to hear about. $5/week is a cheap dream, but $500-700/week? Sigh.
We buy lottery tickets once in a great while, when the Powerball payout gets historically high. Then we spend a few hours talking about how we’d change our lives if we won. We’ve found it a very good tool for pulling out of day-to-day practical thinking and putting all our dreams out there as possible.
If we’d do a 180-turn in our lives if we had “enough money”, we must be pretty unhappy or off-track. What can we do NOW to start that turn, even if it’s a much slower turn? What activities can we add to our lives right now to fulfill those dreams? What’s missing in our lives that we love or want or miss and what can we do about it, even on a small scale?
I think of each lottery ticket as cheap marriage therapy and DIY life coaching.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I enjoy spending one or two bucks on the lottery when I vacation in Florida. It’s like, while I’m in a pleasant place, I’ll dream, for a moment, a pleasant dream. But that amounts to about $2 a year that I give to their education fund. No biggie.
Now, big money, or spending consistently, those are different things altogether.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:36 am
While I wish that people were better educated about the lottery, I approve of it as a voluntary method of funding government programs. My husband and I play our state lottery and the megamillions — one ticket per draw, every week. Simply, the utility of the amount of money we spend on tickets is quite low for us (it’s a small portion of our entertainment budget), but the utility of the winnings would be tremendous. A mathematician friend of a friend made that same point on his blog; I can’t find the link right now, darn it.
A study by Carnegie Mellon this year looked at why poor people are more likely to play the lottery: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080724102945.htm . No surprise: they’re buying hope. MY hope is that the money pumped into the education system by lotteries will allow them to teach responsible personal finance as part of the curriculum. Which of us is more delusional?
August 29th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
well, if my ticket for tonight’s megamillions hits, I just won’t tell anyone and go travel the world for a few years. that oughta keep the freeloaders at bay.
August 29th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
I buy a $1 scratch ticket every now and then just for kicks, but I’m well aware that I will likely lose. It’s depressing to walk into a convenience store to pick up a soda and see people buying 20+ lottery tickets.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
That is shocking, and it is absolutely an addiction. This story leads me to the conclusion that a tragic amount of people cannot control themselves in this regard. Heck, he could currently save that money in Icelandic banks and get 15% (but they only have insurance for like the first 20 grand).
Jerry
August 30th, 2008 at 10:52 am
My boss is addicted to the lottery. Not in the sense that he spends tons of money purchasing tickets, he in fact buys very few tickets per week. The problem is that he spends most of his time, *and* that of an employee, calculating the odds that this or that set of numbers will be the winning one. So far that’s roughly 500 MB of Excel spreadsheets, and counting. Were one to compute the amount he’s lost over the years by not dedicating himself to his business, plus what he pays to that employee for doing basically nothing important, and the total would be astonishing.
Why do I still work there? Well, the job is easy and right now I need the money. Good thing I’m not the guy doing lottery calculations 7 hours/day…
August 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Wow! This is an amazing story about someone who spends more than $25,000 a year trying to win the lottery. It is his money, so he is certainly welcome to do with it as he pleases.
Instead of a long winded post, please check out a recent update to my website that puts a lot of the social, political, legal and statistical aspects of the lottery in perspective. This link takes you directly to the page.
http://www.frugal-living-freedom.com/powerball.html
I use the California lottery as an example on the page, and I also discuss how the odds of winning are not advertised correctly by the state. There is a link to the “odds of winning” page, or just click this link to go directly there:
http://www.frugal-living-freedom.com/odds-of-winning-the-lottery.html
The whole thing preys on the hope that we humans have - tomorrow will be better than today. It’s a fool’s game, and there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of players.
I believe in more deliberate actions to achieve wealth - something that is much more within my control and influence than simply “playing numbers”.
Clair
September 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
$500 to $700 per week? Holy… cow…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:30 am
I spoke with my good friend and neighbor about this situation recently. He had the best observation I have heard yet.
“If this guy can spend $500 to $700 a week on the lottery, he don’t need to win the lottery.”
Clair
October 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
First of all I would like to say that everythings good when done in moderation.I think Mr. Ortero should carefuly study the lotto before spending another dime. I did so for 7 months and have finally won. Today I am $4 million dollars richer than I was 2 months ago. So the lottery is for those who dont want to spend the rest of their life working hard only to make someone else richer. I’m living proof of that, so stop hatin on Mr. otero and get back to work!
October 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm
To Andrea.s:
So what’s your big secret? We’d all love to know how to guarantee a big lottery win.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
To the man who said saving is boring : maybe so, but you will be like my daughter who said it was boring. She now comes hollering to me when an emergency happens. She should have been bored. My answer is now no. I think she’s getting the idea.
The man who plays the lottery and who doesn’t want to work is an idiot. Let’s see what happens to him in the long run.
Remember the couple who sold their house to play the lottery? They didn’t win, except for one ticket worth $10,000. Their house was certainly worth more than that.
You, Mr. Otero, deserve what happens to you.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Another exciting and entertaining article by JD.
Somehow, JD has this “magical” talent to get people involved in the articles he posts.
After a friend bought his lottery ticket I asked, “Do you really expect to win?”. He quickly replied, “Of course, NOT”. And then, he spent a few minutes giving me a lecture on all the odds against anyone winning. The, I asked, “Then, if you are so certain you are NOT going to win, why do you spend your dollar on a ticket?”. He looked at me just as if had benn hit by lightning and said, “I t doen’t make sense, right? But deep inside, I hope I could win”.
That applies to those who give the advice to paay for FUN. That’s pure LIE! They play because deep inside they HOPE they could win. They are just too ashamed (and lacking in confidence = they care too much about what others think about them and they don’t want to appear ’silly’) and come up with this “have-fun-playing” philosophy. Where is the fun in wasting your dollar BELIEVING you are going to lose? .
Anything to do with the Law of Attraction?
(you get what you focus on, you get what you believe) ???
Great article, JD.
Leo.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:58 am
I just won on a scratch $50,000 i will probably get about 38K with taxes and everything.
I’ve been playing for 6 months now ..i buy a scratch ticket every day at lunch ($3)and even if i hadnt won the 50K i would’ve still made extra $ with the winnings
im putting it for downpayement to buy a house!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:48 am
As a lottery retailer, I have seen there ARE strategies to get more winners in all the lotto games.
So if you think it’s totally random, you are wrong.
I have seen people who win MORE than other players BECAUSE they know how to pick their numbers according to years of lottery research.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Well BJ as an interested observer, what are the great strategies for winning at the lottery? Please tell all we would really like to know.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am
I think both work and playing the lottery is “a suckers game”. Actually anything to do with money is! The whole idea of money is a suckers game. But that aside, I don’t know why mr. otero is spending $700/ week try to get rich. If he makes $700+ per week, thats over 2.4 times the minimum wage that he is spending right there!!!(40 hour week)So he is ALREADY rich in my book
November 16th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Obviously this reply is a little late but here it is…
Stop spending $700.00 a month on the lottery and go to Las Vegas.
Take $700.00 and go to any craps table in Las Vegas.
Ok, Get 100.00 in $5.00 chips.
Place a $5 bet on the PASS LINE in Craps.
If you loose, then bet $10 on the PASS LINE.
If you loose, then bet $20 on the PASS LINE.
Etc. Etc.
IN other words, double your bet everytime you loose starting with $5.
You WILL WIN eventually.
You’ll make a fortune playing this way.
Enough to live on and then some.
Good Luck buddy.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Hi Jim777,
the Casinos are on to that trick. First off, you are mathematically guaranteed to have an indefinitely long string of losses (more than enough to swallow up whatever you have in the bank and then some). Secondly, they don’t let you bet more than a certain amount. You’ll definitely lose all your money.
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 am
I’m in awe that this man makes so much over $700 a week that he can spend that amount weekly, gambling. Oh, what I would do with an extra $2,000 to $2,400 a month…
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I think that playing the lottery is just the matter of fact of risking your money to win a larger amout wich is good in one point but not so good in another point .because in order to win you must loose too.! like Mr.Otero was doing spending lots of money but only getting a few dollars back from what he had spent
January 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
A lot of things in my life suck. But I won’t complain. Don’t have any bad habits, to speak of. But the one joy I have is buying a $1 ticket. I don’t scheme about winning big, but it’s fun to dream and fantasize once in a while. I might spend $30-$50 a year on tickets, but this is realatively cheap compared to being hooked on alcohol, drugs or worse.
January 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Instead of playing the powerball twice a week, I put $2 away a week (or whatever I would have paid to play). That way I’m not losing out. Also when I make a purchase and write it down in my check register I round up the price of the purchase to the next dollar, it has saved me almost $100 since I started doing it 2 months ago. Change adds up quickly!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I think that the lottery is a fine and fair gambling game, just as any casino is. Any time you buy a ticket you are taking a risk of losing of course. But just buy $1 or $2 a week or so and you will be fine. I bet most of the people commenting on this blog about how much a waste of money the lottery is, probably spend $4 to $5 a day on cigerettes or alcohol. The lottery is a game of chance that is all. you don’t play you will never win, you do play a $1 you will probably never win either, but you at least have that 1 in 500,000,000 chance of winning the jackpot. Of course saving your money in an account is the best way to save and accumulate wealth. But hey if you want to spend a $1 or so a week on the lottery I think that is fine. Now people do go overboard on gambling that is called addiction, that is there own fault and no one should feel sorry for them at all.They need to learn to control themselves.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
The lottery is a voluntary regressive tax on the poor and stupid and nothing more.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I used to think the same way about the lotto. that it was bad.. I decided to play $3 a week. After only 2 weeks of playing. I won bejeweled a Texas $30,000 scratch off. After tax I got a BIG fat check for $22,500.00. Nice return. Well I have stuck to my only $3 a week and have won a total of $39,000.00.. So I guess as long as you don’t go crazy ..$3 bucks a week isn’t bad..
By the way I paid off ALL my debts..So, I guess I’m a super lucky guy..
BUT people should limit themselves when playing. What I did was cut out a box of cigs a week to pay for the lotto..So now I’m getting healthier also..
Just wanted to share that..
February 21st, 2009 at 8:48 am
See, you all cite these stories where people have won and now they’re miserable. You know why? It’s not the lottery. It’s the people. THEY’RE STUPID.
Now look at cruzer. He’s perfectly fine, even BETTER than before. He’s proof that if you’re INTELLIGENT, winning the lottery is great.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Tom is right. If winning the lottery is going to ruin your life that much, then you must be doing something wrong. And if getting some money is going to turn your partner and friends against you…well, maybe you should reconsider the people around you.
Not that I’m saying you should go spending $500 to $700 a week on it. I just wanted to point out that the lottery isn’t going to land you on the road to poverty if you can play it smart.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Obviously Mr Otero plays the lottery like 99.9% of players… picks numbers/combinations at random. I truly believe there is order in the “lottery” chaos. I moved to TX in 2005 and got interested in playing the TX Lottery in 2008. I browsed Amazon.com and found “2008 Visual Lottery Guide and Aide.” I studied and applied some of the strategies from the book. Since March 2008, I won 4 of 6, five times, and 5 of 6, once. Not to mention countless 3 of 3. I truly feel I will get 6 of 6 hopefully sometime soon. It’s a good book for those of us who enjoy the lottery. By the way, I did not spent $500 to $700 a week. Sincerely, Will
June 6th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Where is he getting the $500-$700 a week to buy lottery tickets? He’s a janitor? I couldn’t do that, I’d need that money to live on. Add it up and monthly that’s $2,166.00-$3,033.00 or yearly $26,000.00-$36,400.00 a year, not exactly easy street, but with the cost of everything how can he come up with $500-$700 a week to spend on the lottery? Unless he also receives government subsidies for rent & food, how he does it makes no sense to me. Between us my husband and I slightly more then this man and I play may $2-4 dollars a week and that seems a lot and a couple of times a year I go wild and buy a scratch ticket or too. I doubt I spend $500 a year on the lottery though we may come close to $500 including what my hubby plays. Though lately I’ve been skipping my weekly number just to save a dollar. This includes gas because sometimes I would run out in the evening just to be sure I bought my ticket, but now cash and credit is tight. And I’ve noticed my husband hasn’t been buying an occasional scratch ticket lately either. We need to pay down our debts in order to have some spare cash to gamble with. It’s crazy. . .
June 6th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I might start doing what Joslyn does (see quote below), it makes more sense then playing the lottery.
“Instead of playing the powerball twice a week, I put $2 away a week (or whatever I would have paid to play). That way I’m not losing out. Also when I make a purchase and write it down in my check register I round up the price of the purchase to the next dollar, it has saved me almost $100 since I started doing it 2 months ago. Change adds up quickly!”