In our recent discussion about tithing, I made a confession:
I do not tithe to church or charity. I feel guilty about this. My rationale is always: “Once I take care of myself, I’ll take care of other people.” Yet what do I mean by “taking care of myself”? I don’t know. Sometimes I think “once I’ve saved X, then I’ll start sharing my wealth”, but X seems to be a moving target.
I’ve thought a lot about this over the past couple weeks. I’ve looked at my own life: I have a $10,000 emergency fund, a growing business, and no consumer debt. I own an 1800-square-foot home on half an acre, a car, and a pantry stocked with food. Despite all this, I still sometimes feel poor. I’m not. I know this. According to the Global Rich List, my wealth places me in the top 1% of the world population, and that will likely increase as I get older.
I have enough. I’m ready to share. But how?
Learning to give
I’ve written many times how important it is to start saving for the future, no matter how much you set aside. If you can only afford to save $5 a month, then start with $5. If you can afford $50 a month, start with $50. The key is to develop the habit. In time, most people find they can bump their saving rate higher — $10, $20, $200.
In our recent conversation about tithing, Kathleen M. urged me to consider using this same technique to develop the habit of giving:
If you do want to start giving regularly, start with something small, like $5 or $10 per month. A lot of people make a practice of giving the same amount that they put into savings.
Starting small with giving works the same as starting small with saving: The amounts may not really affect your budget, but they teach you the habit, the mechanics of contributing. Once you see that you can save, or that you can give to charity, you can begin to increase the amounts.
I started my own saving by setting aside just a few dollars a month. Now, four years later, I contribute about $1,000 a month to high-yield savings accounts. If I can save that much for myself, I can certainly afford to set aside a few dollars (or more) to help others.
So, I’ve made the decision that I can afford to give, and that giving is good. But where should I direct my money? There are hundreds of programs I could support. For example, I believe strongly in the missions of these groups:
- First Book
- Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
- National Trust for Historic Preservation
I contribute to these organizations already, though. If I’m going to begin a campaign of personal giving, I want my money to do something more.
Micro-lending
Last fall, I wrote a review of Banker to the Poor: Micro-Lending and the Battle Against World Poverty, which describes the work of Muhammad Yunus, winner of the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize. Yunus established the Grameen Bank, which offers small low-interest, collateral-free loans to the poor. These micro-loans — most of which are given to women — are used for entrepreneurship, and are surprisingly effective at helping recipients escape the bonds of poverty.
I like micro-lending. I like that it combats poverty through personal entrepreneurship, a notion I value highly. It’s like teaching them to fish instead of giving them fish. But how can I, one man in Oregon, provide a small loan to somebody halfway across the world? Fortunately, there’s an easy way to do this.
San Francisco-based Kiva is “the world’s first person-to-person micro-lending website, empowering individuals to lend directly to unique entrepreneurs in the developing world.”
Kiva allows average people to act as micro-lenders. You can browse profiles of entrepreneurs from around the world, choose somebody to lend to, and then Kiva works with the actual micro-finance organization to distribute the loan. When lenders get their money back, they can re-lend it to somebody else in need.
This video explains more about the Kiva concept:
My goal for today is to set up a Kiva account, and to fund one micro-loan. Though this is a small gesture — a very small gesture — it’s a start. It’s a first step on the road to charitable giving. In time, I hope to apply the same discipline toward this as I did toward saving. The battle against world poverty is made up of many such small gestures.
Fighting poverty
Kiva is not the only organization working to fight poverty, of course. Other organizations I may consider donating to in the future include:
- Though Grameen Foundation is not a part of Yunus’ Grameen Bank, the two work closely to fight world poverty through micro-finance. If I wanted to just donate money (instead of getting personally involved, as through Kiva), I might choose to do so here.
- Heifer International is a “non-profit, humanitarian assistance, and sustainable development organization that specializes in providing livestock and related services to limited-resource families worldwide. Heifer does this regardless of race, creed, religion or national origin.”
- Oxfam International is an “international group of independent non-governmental organizations dedicated to fighting poverty and related injustice around the world.” Oxfam’s lousy web site is vague about how this is accomplished, although several GRS readers have recommended this group in the past.
For more on the subject of giving and micro-finance, check out the following stories from the Get Rich Slowly archives:
- What should a billionaire give, and what should you?
- Banker to the poor: Micro-lending and the battle against world poverty
- One hen: How one small loan made a big difference
- EARN: Helping low-wage workers learn to save
I’m not naive — I don’t believe that poverty will ever be eliminated from the world completely — but I hope that through my actions I can help a few other people achieve their dreams, as I’ve been able to achieve mine.
Its proper place is in a museum.
— Muhammad Yunus, Banker to the Poor —
Today is Blog Action Day. The topic this year is poverty. This is the first of three posts about the subject today at Get Rich Slowly.
This article is about Economics, News Wednesday, 15th October 2008 (by J.D. Roth)


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October 15th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Among other people and groups I give money to, I think it is important to include:
supporting poor people in poor countries
supporting poor people in my own community
Automatic regular bank transfers and having money deducted from your salary are very convenient ways of giving. I think it is good to increase the amount you give when you get a pay rise.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:45 am
That is such a touching story. I can relate so much. I’m still just at the beginning of my “success” story, but I’d love to start out giving just as much as I save. There’s just some mental block there: I suppose it’s saying “well, you can give when you get rich”, but as we all know, like you said, ‘rich’ is a moving target. The more you accumulate, the more that you need to be considered ‘rich’.
I think the philosophy that you would need to incorporate is, just like saving, no matter what X% of my incoming funds will be given away to a charitable foundation that I believe in.
Caleb
http://www.mefinanciallyfree.blogspot.com
October 15th, 2008 at 5:14 am
You’ve mentioned before that giving leads to prosperity. I think this is a wonderful idea, JD.
I have issues with Kiva… I really want to help people in Third-World countries, but I do not really like their system. Kiva isn’t really a “charity” — it’s more like a hand-up than a hand-out. The average interest rate borrowers pay to the Kiva Field Partners is 22%, sometimes higher.
I think it is best to stick to donating to local causes, like the Humane Society, food banks, shelters, etc.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:21 am
After seeing the movie “About Schmidt”, I ‘adopted’ a Korean orphan. I’ve seen her grow from a newborn infant to (now)6 year old who loves Mickey Mouse, her twin sister (also in the orphanage) and wants to grow up to cook good food for others.
Highly recommend Children Inc.
You can change someone’s life for only $28 bucks a month.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:22 am
I don’t know much about Kiva, but Heifer International does some amazing work. One of their principles is that when livestock that are given to people reproduce, the family is to give some of the offspring to others in need. There’s a big “Passing on the Gift” ceremony when this happens…pretty cool.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Muhammad Yunus has been fighting all his to put poverty in museum. Not sure why it took so long to give him noble prize.
A Dawn
http://www.adawnjournal.com
October 15th, 2008 at 5:28 am
I have a loan out with Kiva. It’s true that the interest rate is high, that’s mostly because loans cost money to process and that cost is essentially independent of the value of the loan.
Oxfam does some of the same things that Heifer International does. It also supports health workers (both through training and funding), campaigns for debt relief, provides emergency disaster relief, provides funds and equipment needed for schools,… Generally, the things that help. It’s my favourite charity.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:47 am
Oxfam do a tremendous amount of good in developing nations. I think that if you found their website vague it’s probably just because their scope is so large.
I’d suggest checking out their online shop for a sample of some of their projects. (http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/content/OOS_bestsellers.html?oxpromo=HomeCol3_BestsellersPage)
For example, a donation of £6 buys 100 school dinners, £24 buys equipment and materials for a family in poverty to grow an allotment or to train a schoolteacher, and £25 provides training for women to start their own small businesses.
They work to alleviate suffering, both day-to-day and from major humanitarian disasters (their own report stated that their work prevented a public-health crisis in some countries following the Boxing Day Tsunami - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4498882.stm) and to give people in the developing world the ability to lift themselves out of poverty. I think you could do a lot worse than Oxfam.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Woo Hoo!
Excellent Post!
Is it ok for me to say I’m proud of you?
Anyway, I also like Opportunity International at opportunity.org
October 15th, 2008 at 5:56 am
When I was a student, I tried to buy a jar of peanut butter for the local food bank every time I went into the grocery store. (Sometimes I would buy tuna or other canned meats when they were on sale instead). My thinking was that if I could afford food for myself, I could afford to help someone else as well.
I’m on a very tight budget, but I think I’m going to start doing this again.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Hi JD - awesome that you’re starting on a discipline of giving - the charities you’ve picked out look pretty great.
I’d like to suggest that you also look into groups that have political missions, instead of simply charitable ones. Charities are great at allaying the world’s problems, but they are often restricted from addressing the root causes of those problems. Political groups, on the other hand, can advocate for policy changes that reduce the need for charity.
Both are important - I tithe to causes, and like to split my gifts half and half between traditional charities and candidates or advocacy groups.
Advocacy groups and political contributions aren’t tax deductible, but that’s not why you’re giving, anyway, right?
Happy giving!
October 15th, 2008 at 6:00 am
My problem with charity is that in many cases I may agree with the cause but not necessarily the administration.
I tend to give almost exclusively to the Salvation Army and other church based organizations.
The Lions are a great organization and I try to support them when they are set up selling food.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Another charity that uses microlending is Women for Women International, which is one of my causes.
Women for Women International provides women survivors of war, civil strife, and other conflicts with resources to find a job or to start their own small business. You get matched with a new woman each year, mine this year, for example, was from Rwanda. We write back and forth throughout the year, and when she has completed the program, I’m matched with someone else. You can pick a country, or let them match you where the need is greatest.
http://www.womenforwomen.org/about-women-for-women/victims-to-survivors.php
October 15th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Maybe, instead of giving an X percentage of your income to a charity, you could donate X percent of your time to do volunteer work.
I once read of an organization of people that do house visits of elderly people and try (among other things) to help them with their finances. The elderly often have no clue, especially with paying with plastic, internet banking, filling out tax papers and so forth. That touched me, and once I am ‘rich’ myself I intend to volunteer at that organization.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:15 am
You’ve mentioned before the concept of paying yourself first, as in, that first 10% isn’t really yours to spend, it’s earmarked for saving (or whatever percent). As people of faith, that’s how we work giving into our budget. We feel that the first 10% of our net income isn’t ours to spend– it belongs to someone else. That mindset makes it easier to automatically write the check to support my missionary friends, or the local school, or whatever. (Choosing who to give to is harder, but what a fun problem to have!)
Another catchphrase I’ve heard is this: what if the extra isn’t for you? Meaning, what if you’re being blessed with riches, but they’ve been given to you in order for you to give them to one more needy?
Not trying to be preachy here, and if you’re not of the faith persuasion, no problem. Just offering another perspective in agreement with your post.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:21 am
Mr Chiots and I started giving 10% of our income when we first got married to charity. Each year we increase it by .5%. So now that we’ve been married for 10 years we’re up to 15%. It’s true, start small and you won’t notice it’s gone. We are able to save plenty of money and live very comfortable and we are giving large sums of money to our favorite charity.
We currently are focusing on providing education to poor children in Colombia. We know that through an education they will be able to have a better life. We are also invovled in the charity in other ways. Since we are videographers by trade we have traveled to the school twice and made promotional videos for them. We also help raised money for other things for them like: science labs, computer labs and new building. It’s so great to be really involved in a charity that you know is making a huge difference in the lives of those it helps.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:28 am
I like the concept of providing financing to third world entrepreneurs. It’s great. And I think that as a “fighting poverty” thing, it’s a great topic to discuss.
Kiva, specifically, as has been mentioned, charges interest rates that border on usurious. But even if no one has a problem with that, the fact is that it isn’t really “giving.”
When talking about giving money to charity, or tithing, that’s giving. You don’t expect that money back. With Kiva, assuming all goes well, you get your money back that can go right back into your savings account. It is helping, certainly, but when I think of “giving” I don’t think of loans.
I like the maxim, “Think globally, act locally.” This year, I’m thinking food banks. They are paying more money for food, like the rest of us, so they’re able to buy less. In addition, people aren’t able to donate like they normally would, because everyone’s pinched right now. Then, on top of all of that, demand for the services of food banks is increasing as families get hit with unemployment, or sky high mortgage payments. There’s a huge need there, and I don’t think there’s anyone that can say, “We don’t have a food bank in town.”
October 15th, 2008 at 6:32 am
JD, I plan on doing Kiva today also. I’ve written about it and planned to open an account, but hadn’t yet done it. We give at church, but I like the idea of helping entrepreneurs - essentially paying it forward.
I also like helping people around the world - I feel that we have the responsibility as world citizens to look outside our own borders.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:39 am
I was inspired by Kiva and other microlending projects that I was involved with in college and after. With a colleague of mine, I started a microcredit program in Mozambique that gives small loans to people that want to grow gardens and sell the produce (keeping some for their family also). Anyways, you can read about it and see photos here: http://www.massamba.org/
Microcredit is a great way to really use what is a small amount to us here in the US or Europe and can go a long way to helping break the cycle of poverty for people in less developed countries.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Coincidentally, I’ve also decided that I need to start giving to charity regularly. It’s been a goal of mine for a while, but like you I was trying to get my own finances in order first. And my savings goal has also been a moving target. I like Heifer International and have it on my list of organizations to give to. I lived in Africa for a while, and cows are a good source of income, nutrition, and even status.
I’ve also considered Kiva, but if they’re charging 22% interest, I don’t think I can use them. I worked in a village bank for a time, and while I think the concept is great, the interest rates they charged were oppressive. Hopefully, they’ve got some lower interest options. I don’t really need a return on my investment. I would just want my principal returned so I could lend it out again.
With these micro-lending plans you really have to be careful and check their lending practices. How do they handle collateral and defaults? If they are making loans to people who can’t pay back the money, then they are possibly making the person worse off than before. Again, I am in favor of micro-lending and I like Kiva’s approach of using capital from wealthy nations like the US instead of the locals’ savings.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:58 am
There are a number of excellent charity watchdog sites on the ‘net.
I like GuideStar.org or CharityNavigator.org when I’m researching giving. (Edited to add: GuideStar is a for-pay site; Charity Navigator is less comprehensive but free research that works well when paired with other sites like CharityWatch.org.)
Anyone who’s considering structured charitable donations (as opposed to change on the street or the odd canned good to Boy Scouts) should approach them with the same discipline that we approach any other investment.
Research is key. Some charities — even the ones that do good work — have extremely high overhead. Other charities spend a huge portion of their general funds on specific projects, but will allow donors to target their giving to different projects, if they prefer.
Keeping receipts is also important. Giving feels good for its own sake, but as long as you’re itemizing tax returns, it doesn’t hurt to track your charitable contributions.
It’s also smart to plan one’s gifts. My favorite task of the new year is deciding where I want my charitable contributions to go during the year. I sit down with GuideStar and my budget, and allocate funds to each group. Many non-profits will allow you to autopay a set amount each month.
Personally? I support my church, the United Way, Loaves and Fishes (a local food pantry), Mercy Corps (extremely highly rated, with both national and international efforts), and our local NPR station. In the past, my cash has gone to political/activist causes, 451 Valencia, Heifer International, Habitat for Humanity, Goodwill, FaithfulAmerica and our local Literacy Council.
Every cent made me happy.
October 15th, 2008 at 7:06 am
Don’t forget about the value of your time. Though I am not able donate as much to charitable causes as I’d like I volunteer at least 2 hours every week. Based on my billable rate, I’m a technology consultant, that’s a lot more than I could comfortably contribute financially!
October 15th, 2008 at 7:22 am
I use Kiva, but until reading the comments I didn’t know that their field partners charge 22% interest! That is insane!
I will continue to re-lend funds in Kiva, but I think I will find another platform for helping alleviate poverty with my future funds.
Also, for the x-mas gift exchange in my family, every year I ask for a donation to Heifer International on my behalf. Whomever has my name can pick whatever package they want, but thats what I ask for.
October 15th, 2008 at 7:24 am
For $10 you can save a life: http://www.nothingbutnets.net/
October 15th, 2008 at 7:25 am
John, welcome to Kiva and congratulations to your great post.
I joined Kiva myself today, and was able to give the first loan. It feels great.
Just in case, if you find there no one, who needs your money, come back. New borrowers will show up each day.
October 15th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I am not a big fan of micro-lending organizations, or any global relief efforts. These sorts of “high profile” charities compete directly with the underfunded organizations in my own community. I have plenty of needy people right here on my doorstep… I don’t need to look 10000km away.
Keeping with my “pay myself first” philosophy, I tend to donate the bulk of my funds to local organizations. I also sleep better knowing these organziations tend to be lower overhead (more money to those who need it).
October 15th, 2008 at 7:46 am
I’d like to second the idea of giving locally — whereever you live, the poor are nearby. Helping locally is really helping yourself, too, since it creates a better environment to live in…. And there’s really good accountability, you can see how your funds are used.
My favorites are the local homeless center, the domestic violence center, the free medical/dental clinic, and a local women’s clinic that provides sliding scale reproductive medical care to women, men, and teenagers. On the other hand, my husband thinks the best plan for his giving is to go to large national and international organizations, medical research groups, Red Cross, Unicef etc. He budgets a certain amount at the beginning of the year and keeps track; and except in the case of a major disaster, once he’s spent the allocation, any further request gets shredded….
October 15th, 2008 at 7:55 am
I’m like you - I really have a lot, but I’m always worried I might need it, especially in this economy. But I overcome this by giving locally because I know it will ultimately make my life better. I know that by helping my public library, or food programs in my county or giving to local scholarships for medical students I know I am helping my community and in turn, helping myself. It sounds somewhat selfish, but I want to help where I know the money is needed - and it is needed in my community.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Sorry, gotta work so I didn’t read thoroughly, or all the comments (bad commenter!)
Alternative Gifts International is a great way to make charitable gifts to people who appreciate that.
http://www.altgifts.org
They have many different kinds of gifts, help for the poor, the sick, people escaping violence all over the world.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:12 am
Thanks for the excellent reminder. I still have some debt and need to beef up my savings, but I’ve certainly managed to give myself some good times this year. I can find some room to help others too!
It helps that in my monthly spending, I have a line item for charity. It’s been zero (!) for most of the year, but I’ll donate some before the year is out. I tend to do food banks (have you looked at Oregon’s hunger rate? it’s one of the worst nationally) and also my NPR station.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:18 am
i loved reading “banker to the poor,” and i would love to be involved in a micro-lending project. however, kiva isn’t true to the spirit of yunus’ micro-lending theory. his whole idea is that individuals who make the loan assume the risk, and if interest is paid, individuals get a cut of that interest. now, i’m not saying its wrong to want to forfeit that interest payment in order to fund the overhead of a great non-profit organization who deals with the administrative burden of making the loans happen. i’d be happy to do that! but i just looked at a field partner in peru that was charging 35% interest rates. 35% is ASTOUNDING and unacceptable. and what happens to the woman i lend to if she cannot pay it back? as individual lenders, we lose our investment, but is that field partner going to then go after her for it, along with the ridiculous 35% interest rate? how will we ever know? they make a point of displaying the average interest rate for the area as 120%, but does that make it *ok* to charge a 35% interest rate, since its significantly less? i certainly don’t think so, and i highly doubt muhammad yunus would agree. its still usury. in addition, because of the number of links in the chain here, the opportunity for fraud and extortion here is skyhigh. as far as i’m concerned, this is an example of people using good natured individuals to try to turn a profit, and it makes me sick. i would love to be involved in a truly small scale micro-lending project - perhaps even in the united states! so thank you for this post! you’ve inspired me to do some research.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:21 am
I’d like to pose a question to all of you, something that I have thought about (and not come up with an answer to yet) -
You decide you’re going to donate X amount to a charity this year, you can afford to do this. Now, what if there was somone close to you (such as parents) that could be really helped with that money.
Would you still give to charity, or would you give to people close to you in life first?
October 15th, 2008 at 8:21 am
If you’re looking for an organization where 100% of the dollars you donate goes to help individuals, I recommend Modest Needs.
We started out with a one-time donation at Christmas time a couple of years ago and have now moved on to donating a fixed amount every month.
Their mission statement can be found here:
http://www.modestneeds.org/explore/mission/
October 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I’m with DCGal on contributing time. I helped out coaching with a local kids sporting league and it was definately a fun way to give back.
On another note; I saw this band in Baltimore Sunday (Rise Against). After checking their website, I found they put on a “free” show the week before with a donation to the local food pantry (I think it was up n Boston). Just thought that was a cool idea for the band/venue, and wanted to share.
P.S. - Their new CD kicks a$$.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Another blog I read, 101 Cookbooks, started a Kiva lending team about six weeks ago, and now has 572 members (the third-largest of all teams!). If you wanted to amplify your lending power, maybe you could start a GRS lending team.
http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=community&action=explore&kv_orderBy=n_users&kv_direction=DESC&kv_page=1
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
“Poverty does not belong in a civilized human society.Its proper place is in a museum.”
In a perfect world, this would be the perfect solution. However, our world is far from perfect and poverty is a subject that I feel very strongly about. Having worked closely with the welfare crowd for some time, I have an entirely different view than the one I once held. Not wishing to be controversial BUT … You can only help those who WANT to be helped. For that reason, poverty (especially in this country where welfare handouts are plentiful) will never disappear. I have had three years+ experience of renting to people in the ghetto. My rental property is located in a high density area of abject poverty. Anyone with half a charitable heart, buying a property in such an area, would probably be thinking “how nice” it would be to provide decent and safe housing to people who “need a helping hand”. From personal experience, I can tell you that I’ve never seen such abuse of the welfare system as I have from my front row seat as a landlord. It is nigh impossible to attempt to provide stability of any kind to those with a transient mentality. I have seen neglected children borne to unemployable drug addicts and alcoholics purely for the monetary benefit the state provides for these children. The kids are then left to fend for themselves from an extremely young age. I have called the police and social services too many times to count. The scope of such social ills is so huge that, unless you’ve walked a mile, you have no idea. Addicts are given rental vouchers, job training programs and cash for “essentials” and, time after time, I have watched them smoke it all away regardless of the welfare of the rest of the family. The manner in which some of these children live is heartbreaking because they are truly the victims of poverty, ignorance, laziness and selfishness. The scope of this problem is HUGE because so many of these “poverty stricken” types have no desire to live any other way for as long as the state is handing out dollars to them hand over fist. The romantic notion of helping someone out of poverty compared to the reality of actually trying to DO it brings a realization that drug use causes mental illness and brain damage that no one can do anything about. And the scope of this problem is MASSIVE.
If you really want to help someone claw their way out of a hole that someone else dug for them, I would suggest scholarships. What better way to give someone who is determined to make a better life for themselves the tools to do so? These are the people who are working to break the cycle of poverty they were born into. Having seen what I’ve seen, I applaud them for that effort. Not only would it be money well spent, but you have the joy in knowing that you helped someone to truly change their destiny. Good luck
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. ~ Chinese proverb
October 15th, 2008 at 9:23 am
I’m not naive — I don’t believe that poverty will ever be eliminated from the world completely —
Negative self-talk. Defeated before you even began. Tsk.
My donations to charity are split between local, national, and international charities who are in line with my religious beliefs. But I’m Episcopalian, so that covers a broad and eclectic set of beliefs. The national leader of my church (who’s an Oregonian!) has committed us to the UN Millenium Development Goals which include the eradication of global poverty. As such, I believe in my heart and soul and with my dollars that global poverty will, in fact, one day be known only in the history books.
Maybe the end of global poverty won’t happen in my lifetime, but wouldn’t it be neat if it did?
Oh, and I give my money away. I don’t ‘lend’ it. If becoming a financial whiz-bang has taught me anything, it’s that the guys who wrote the biblical laws (OT and NT) against high interest were right– it’s evil and it breeds more evil.
With regards to #32 BC’s question about giving money to family first, that would be in line with my cultural and religious beliefs. However, thank God, it hasn’t become an issue. So I give instead to my wider human family through charitable donations.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Moneyblogga, I think the welfare system is outside the scope of charitable giving, don’t you?
If I donate money to a homeless shelter, aren’t I doing so because I believe the right thing to do is give people a safe/warm place to sleep regardless of why they’re on the street?
Ditto for a Food Bank, if I donate to the Oregon Food Bank, it’s because I believe all people deserve a can of beans, even if they got themselves in the situation of not having a can of beans in the first place.
My $.02
I’m restraining from sharing my personal experience as a child in the welfare system because I’m assuming you realize that there are also good people who’ve made bad choices and can’t make better ones until they receive institutional help… you were just illustrating the darker side.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 am
JD,
I think you should look a little closer into you own community.
People need help everywhere, not just in far away countries. Who knows - maybe you buy some groceries for your local food pantry and they guy who they go to is so grateful that he gives his time somewhere else… like maybe you one day with a broken down car on the side of the road!
I know that our church lists the items the food pantry is short on each week at the bottom of the bulletin. That usually gives us a good place to start!
Personally, I think you would make a great Big Brother and help a kid learn more about his money in the process!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Oh JD, all I can say is ABOUT TIME! Dear dear, this is long overdue. Ok, enough scolding, had to get that off my chest.
Some nonprofits I love:
-Heifer
-Doctors Without Borders
-Oxfam
-DonorsChoose (projects in local schools)
-Opportunity International
I like Kiva, but if you prefer an alternative, you could look into Accion or FINCA, both of whom also do lending to low-income entrepreneurs.
A small charity I give to every month is the One Acre Fund. They support small farmers in Africa and report to their donors on their successes AND challenges - they really pride themselves on transparency.
Locally, I give to anti-poverty groups, the parks association, public library, and to my public radio station.
You are going to find that giving is really fun!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:37 am
I just discovered donorschoose.org, which allows you to choose specific programs at public schools to fund. I picked a high-poverty elementary school (in the rural and impoverished area of the country where I grew up), and funded a new set of books for a second grade class. You can sort the projects by school poverty level, location, type of project (reading, science, foreign language, whatever). I think this program is great because you have a feeling of making a very specific impact, as opposed to having your small contribution just be a drop in the bucket of a larger organization’s general fund.
With respect to giving time, I’m not sure whether the food bank works this way up in Portland, but down here in Eugene Food For Lane County operates a huuuuuge organic garden, and they take volunteers 4-5 hours a day many months of the year. This seems like the type of thing that might be up J.D.’s alley!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:38 am
@ BC
“Would you still give to charity, or would you give to people close to you in life first?”
I guess that would depend on HOW I am giving -
If I think it is important to give to a food shelter, then I would only give the money to my family instead if they were hungry.
BUT if I thought the money should go to a scholarship and I had a sister who was trying to find money to go back to school - then maybe I would send the money to her instead.
All priorities I guess….
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 am
It’s a univeral law to give money away. Giving one percent to ten percent of your money away works the same as planting apple seeds. The hole that you give through is the hole that you receive through. If you give nothing you’ll receive nothing. Quoted by Foster Hibbard.
http://www.101WaystoMagnetizeMoney.com
Christine Groth
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 am
And JD -
Have you considered that this might be the time to start up your program for teaching kids about money? The money that would go towards that would be something that would be helping your community!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Brad: No, you do not earn a return on your money at Kiva. That 22% goes straight to the Lending Partner in the country where the borrower lives. YES, you are doing good by helping entrepreneurs, but you are also financing a loan company. Honestly, I’d feel better if the money went to Kiva; running a website of that size is not free.
If you wanted to earn a return on your loan, and help others, maybe consider Prosper.com? Different business model, and loans only go to US residents.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I’m just starting out as a freelance writer, totally strapped for cash, but still in a better position than so many people in the world. I’ve always been impressed by microfinance efforts, and the $25 minimum loan through Kiva is within my budget. So thank you, JD, for reminding me about Kiva. It feels great to start off the day by helping someone else, even in a small way.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Thanks for your comments and suggestions, everyone. The discussion about the high interest rates charged by Kiva’s lending partners is interesting. I’m still going to start a loan through Kiva (just as soon as I finish this comment, in fact), but I’m going to explore the other options you have suggested, too.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Good for you JD. I have “charity” as a line in my budget. I always have. I also give TIME, which is a great option for the frugal.
I have limited my giving to 3 charities: My church, the St. Vincent de Paul Society (they do A LOT with very little. Amazing.) and the Lupus Foundation of America. Also, I will make a small donation to every personal friend who makes a personal request. You know… “I’m running in a charity marathon next month, will you sponsor me.” Anyway, they always reciprocate when I do my annual effor for the Lupus Foundation, so that’s more like charity trading
October 15th, 2008 at 10:13 am
PDXgirl Says:
Moneyblogga, I think the welfare system is outside the scope of charitable giving, don’t you?
That wasn’t the point I was making. 95% of the people who have been through my building in the past 3+ years (that’s a LOT of people btw) know every trick in the book for garnering freebies. I’m not tarring everyone with the same brush. The point I was trying to make is that the charities that exist in my rental property’s neighborhood are being bilked out of food, clothing, etc by those who would rather spend their money on drugs. People who actually NEED the food are not receiving it. Hence, charity is only good if it’s actually helping, don’t you agree? In many instances, people give but then have no idea what happened to their donations. My point was to actually donate in such a way as to be able to actually track the donation. Scholarships are a great way to help those in need - you know the money went to someone who made good use of it. I too grew up in poverty so I know what it’s like to not have any money or much of anything else for that matter. The majority of the welfare recipients that I’ve seen - and this is MY experience btw - have not appreciated what they’ve been given and they are the biggest abusers of the local charities. I could go on and on.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 am
thanks for raising this very important issue! I love heifer international; been giving family members donations as presents for several years now. Another regular donation goes to Doctors Without Borders.
I also try to volunteer locally as much as possible, whether with Big Brothers/Big Sisters, shelters, or beach/park cleanup efforts. Every little bit helps, and you meet some incredible people along the way.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:20 am
I didn’t get through all the comments - but prosper.com is a good site if you are interested in giving micro loans to people in the US. I wouldn’t consider it “charity” but a great way to help someone.
By the way - not a fan of the “global wealth” site - you can be making very little in still be considered in the “top” 1 to 5%. Its just a way to pull heartstrings.
People should give to charities that they value - are behind the cause. No one should be made to feel guilty or that they “owe” it to the world to give to charity. If it is something you value or you want to, go ahead. However, I don’t think anyone should feel guilty if they don’t. It’s your money - you earned it, do with it what you will.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I think the problem with giving is that it only gives a short hand to the problem. I was looking at the Bill Gates Foundation website and started to do some thinking about the fact that the way to end poverty lies behind helping people learn to help themselves through education and by allowing them to start their own businesses. This gives people a sense of worth at the realization that they are making something happen and they will appreciate the big bump by helping others.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Great post. I’m glad to see that you took part and that you’ve found the power to begin sharing.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
http://www.charitywater.org/ is a non-profit that brings clean drinking water to people in developing nations by drilling wells in villages.
I loved that microfinance book, but I’m not convinced about Kiva. Seems like it bypasses some of the measures that form the core of the Grameen bank model.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
I have always found great joy in giving anonymously to a personal situation. I also give to larger organizations, but there is something really special about seeing a need and being able to help meet it. Doing it anonymously makes it so much better! I have been on the receiving end of that lately since my child was diagnosed with cancer, and what a blessing it is.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am
I already “donate” approximately 1/3 of my money to the government via taxes. I don’t know what percentage of this ends up funding charitable causes like schools and homeless shelters (it’s probably less than is spent on things like buying military jets), but I don’t feel compelled to give beyond that. If one third of my income goes towards “improving society in general” (which is what the government should be doing, right?) I don’t see any particular need to donate another 10% to “improving society in specific” by picking a particular cause and giving the money to them.
Certainly, everyone else is free to use their money as they wish, but I certainly shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for putting in “only” the required minimum 1/3 of my pay towards helping make society a better place, should I?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am
My favorite charity is Amigos de las Americas - http://www.amigoslink.org - Amigos is a 501(c)3 org that works in partnership with Organizations in Latin America to do service projects. It is loosely based on the Peace Corps, but for high school age young people to go to a country for 8 weeks in the summer, some of their projects involve reforestation, clean water, community development. The two main things I like about it is first, it addresses what the community wants and needs, not just what some group thinks it needs. The second is that the volunteers that go down have a true leadership building experience. They are not just going down to “help the poor people” They bring back their experiences in return and from my 8 year experience with the group, go on to do good in their careers and communities at home.
I also have set amounts that I give to other select charities, and a slush fund to keep up with those unexpected expenses, neighbor kid’s fundraiser, etc…
I think people get intimidated by donating to charity, because it seems like a chunk when you add it up. The change goes into the bucket at christmas, I really don’t miss it. I stuff a twenty in the fireman’s boot on Labor Day, for a charity that has touched our family personally. I don’t have a lot of money, but if I don’t go to Starbucks or buy as much Fast Food, I can re-route money I would spend there for the charities of my choice.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I can sympathize with the commenters who are worried about the administrative waste in the charities they support. I did a lot of research in this area a few months ago and the numbers were startling. Many people don’t know it, but you can check out your charity through the Better Business Bureau website.
If anyone’s curious, the article I wrote about budgeting for charitable contributions can be found here:
http://www.50plus.com/Money/BrowseAllArticles/index.cfm?documentID=21511. One of the topics I covered was ways to protect yourself.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Is anyone else in The Ten Dollar club? It’s definitely in the same vein as J.D.’s strategies for starting small at first.
http://www.thetendollarclub.org/
October 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Tyler: I don’t think anyone was trying to make you feel guilty.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Moneyblogga,
I absolutely see your point and of course everyone wants their charitable money to go to people who are actually in need, myself included.
The view I take is that I’m okay with the possibility that my money will be used by someone who doesn’t “deserve” it because if I did not donate to X(food bank, shelter, treatment programs) then there would be zero chance that a deserving person would get that food or shelter or other help.
Scholarships are certainly a worthy thing to donate to, as are donating the operating funds for your local CC by the way. Scholarships are also a long term solution. Long term solutions are absolutely necessary, but so are short-term ones. It’s pretty hard to go to school if you don’t have a bed to sleep in, and studying is nearly impossible if you’re hungry or addicted to drugs.
There’s a lot of worthy causes in the world, unfortunately no one can give to all of them. If you think your money is best served by donating to scholarships I’m certainly not going to try to tell you otherwise. I like donating to emergency relief organizations like I mentioned above because I remember how scary it was to be a child and be in that sort of trouble (and our situation was not as bad as many) the fact that there are nefarious people out there who will take advantage of the services is sad, but does not mean that everyone should be out of luck.
We also have a low-income rental in a rural part of the state btw, i’m sorry you’ve had such horrible luck, we’ve had a wonderful extended family there for 2.5 years who take great care of the place and are good people. Not everyone takes advantage of the system.
Sorry for the de-rail everyone!
October 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Moneyblogga, maybe you should look into organizations that help people kick their drug addiction? From personal experience (not me but someone close to me) drug addiction really changes the kind of person you are. Not everyone is interested in help, but for those who are those programs are either underfunded or non existent, whether it be at free clinics, mental institutions, or prisons.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
If you don’t have money, you can also give the gift of your time. This can include volunteering, or writing genuine letters to your congress people regarding the issues you are concerned about. Money is power, but so are people, so don’t feel discouraged if you don’t have much to give. A million people giving their time or advocating for a cause is just as or perhaps more powerful than one millionaire funding an issue.
I also like comment #11 UnderstatementJones who said that advocacy is important. Charities are great when it comes to emergencies, but deep down are issues and policies that should be addressed to keep those issues from even happening. For instance, rather than (or in addition to) giving money to fight poverty in an area, ask yourself *why* those people are even in the condition they’re in (injustice? lack of education? lack of community leaders?), and try to tackle those issues. This also doesn’t mean that it has to be politically-tied. I know many unbiased non-profit groups with Republicans, Democrats, independents, etc. working towards common causes. Kiva seems very similar to this idea, whereby people just aren’t given money to cope, but lent money to establish and improve their own local economies.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I think that whether you are giving money to Kiva or donating to salvation army, a little change goes a long way. No matter how small the donation, it is helping someone. It’s too easy to say well I don’t have the money to donate, but taking clothes and blankets to Salvation Army is as helpful as giving money to a charity. We’re quick to forget that people in our own communities need help too and that the blanket you donate may keep a child from going to bed cold.
We’re also blogging about poverty today, come check us out and share your stories at http://www.current.pic.tv/
October 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
We also like to support local causes. This is a great web site to support teachers/schools…
http://www.adoptaclassroom.com/
There are organizations out there that help kids who age out of the foster care system. They don’t have anyone to turn to, so this is also an important cause. Some accept care packages for the kids.
October 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Regarding high interest rates: Yes, for us the interest rates seem high, but they’re only half or a third of what’s the market rate in that country. And the overhead in comparison to the loan amount is high, since it’s a micro loan.
Regarding “giving is better than lending”: I think donations actually hurt third world countries. Local industries are destroyed because charities provide the same goods for free. A local textile factory cannot compete with containers full of free second hand clothes the Red Cross regularly dumps in the country. Same goes for surplus food the highly subsidized European farmers produce.
By lending money, you actually help building the economy and maybe even create jobs, and allow the people to keep their dignity.
October 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I think it’s important to support some local causes, but don’t bash giving to other countries.
In the US people are still relatively well-off. Even if they’re homeless, they can get a hot meal from a church or shelter. It’s a very different situation for a survivor of genocide who has no opportunities and no assistance from the government.
I guess I see myself more as a citizen of the world, and I want to look beyond just giving within my immediate community and help those in the most dire situations, as well.
October 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I like Kiva a lot. I don’t particularly think that these people are asking for “charity” and I prefer the idea of a hand up, not a handout. I just keep a set amount of money in my Kiva account and when it is repaid by one person, I make a new loan to another borrower. I am not looking to get it back. I kind of consider that just being a good neighbor, you know?
My “charity” goes to local causes like Aids Project LA, a local homeless mission, and Heifer Int’l - these get a once yearly small donation from us. Plus a few individual pay it forward opportunities that occasionally come my way (people have helped us in hard times, we pay that forward when we can).
October 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
THanks for the post. I researched First Book and loved it. Yet another to add to my growing list of charities. Eventually, I will have to stop adding but this one really hit an important issue to me and that is one of the best ways out is education. I think developing a love a books goes a long way to attack the very root of the problem (in the U.S.).
Thank you again.
October 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
i hear a lot of generalities regarding the high interest rates - like its less than the other interest rates offered in these countries, or there’s high overhead associated with these loans - but i don’t hear anything about the specifics of where that interest goes, or why the overhead is so high. kiva doesn’t really do a good job of explaining that either - at least not that i could find anywhere on their website. if there were more transparency in the whole process, particularly with regard to where that money is allocated within the lending partner organizations, i’d be more trusting that the system is fair to those it helps.
October 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
I’ve been a charitable giver since I was a kid.
It is a value my parents instilled in me.
I’ve always heard it is better to give to a few places instead many places getting smaller donations. I stick to the big three for me usually with modestneeds.org thrown in on occassion (I’m a fan of that site too).
I admit I’m not good with just “here’s some cash. Do good”. I prefer to give to organizations that are about giving ppl a leg up to be self-sufficient instead of just a handout. I donate 7% of the 10% I give to a Catholic Charities organization that does just that for the homeless. The site has a soup kitchen, a med clinic, clothes, job training and listings, and ‘free’ dorms for men trying to get on their feet. If you go the full mile you have to be accepted into the program. The success rate has been good.
I also support a catholic run charity that is about helping people who are having a tough time. Last month we located and paid the upfront costs for housing for a single mom who was unemployed for three months, evicted, then once found work at a not great salary couldnt get over the first hump of reestiblishing herself. It may be selfish - but I’d rather help ppl who are in a bad spot but trying vs flatout handouts.
I give to a v. good animal no-kill shelter too. It isnt the pets fault that people are idiots. They deserve a break - they can’t exactly go out and get a job to support their Purina habit.
Mostly, I got lucky in life on the basic things. Many people did not and I feel it is my responsibility to share my good fortune (however you may define good fortune).
Brief rant: I’d appreciate a tax deduction for giving time - not just cash. Not everyone has the $ to give, but many have time (which is more valuable at times). I commit to 5 hrs a week minimum to one organization and I get nada for that tax wise. Write a check for $1k and put no other effort into it = reward! That irks me.
October 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Thanks for participating in Blog Action day! You guys are right to be concerned with unfair interest charges. Microfinance can be a platform for positive change as well as an opportunity for people to take advantage of the poor. Grameen Foundation works hard to ensure that the MFI’s we support pass strict standards and do not stray from their social mission. We appreciate the shout out in your post!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Thanks for reminding me of Kiva. Oxfam do a lot of work helping people to start market gardens, restore the environment, make better livings as well as emergency aid.
The complaints about the administrations costs of charities does get my goat a bit (I’ve worked a bit in the not for profit /voluntary sector) if you insist that charities have very low overheads it means that you will be reliant on chinless wonders with private incomes to run these organisations who frankly and probably will not have the skills to do so. NOT all work can be done in a charity unpaid. It is also a huge waste of resources to continually spend time training and training volunteers who leave after a time.
I’m a big fan of finding something and sticking with it. One of my mother’s friends from Uni became the libarian in a multiracial school in Johannesburg during apartheide and my mother and I collected and bought books secondhand for the library and sent out parcels of books over a period of years. We did the same for the next school she went to work for and have the achivement of stocking two libraries.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
FranticWoman,
I’ll try to explain the lack of a tax deduction thing, at least from the IRS’s point of view (not necessarily mine…).
First, for something to be deducted, it needs to have a dollar value. For simplicity’s sake, lets say you are a consultant of some kind and you charge $20 per hour.
If you work 40 hours a week, you make $800 pre-tax. If you donate $100, you end up with 40 hours spent and a taxable income of $700.
Now, lets say you work 35 hours and donate 5 hours, which is the time equivalent of a $100 donation. As far as the IRS is concerned, you have still spent 40 hours and still have a taxable income of $700.
Does that make any sense? Even if it makes sense, you don’t have to agree with it… just tellin’ it like it is.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I have worked in Africa for 5 years and I can tell you what Kiva says is absolutely true. The only loans available outside of people like the Kiva partners are evil loan sharks and groups charging extortive rates. Not only that but I have seen the negative effects of handouts on a community. If you are not familiar with the concept of the ‘donor culture’ or ‘culture of helplessness’ - go to Africa, you’ll see it in spades. People have no sense of how to help THEMSELVES get out of poverty. This is the beauty of microfinance. I have done 10 loans through Kiva so far and I personally only loan to African women, though all the loans always get funded. I love logging in and looking at the small gallery of photos of the women running small businesses who I have helped to become a success!
I read the grousing about the explanation on interest rates. I myself think it was explained VERY specifically on the website including mathematical calculations, if you need more than this, what do you need?
“There are three kinds of costs the MFI has to cover when it makes microloans. The first two, the cost of the money that it lends and the cost of loan defaults, are proportional to the amount lent. For instance, if the cost paid by the MFI for the money it lends is 10%, and it experiences defaults of 1% of the amount lent, then these two costs will total $11 for a loan of $100, and $55 for a loan of $500. An interest rate of 11% of the loan amount thus covers both these costs for either loan.
The third type of cost, transaction costs, is not proportional to the amount lent. The transaction cost of the $500 loan is not much different from the transaction cost of the $100 loan. Both loans require roughly the same amount of staff time for meeting with the borrower to appraise the loan, processing the loan disbursement and repayments, and follow-up monitoring. Suppose that the transaction cost is $25 per loan and that the loans are for one year. To break even on the $500 loan, the MFI would need to collect interest of $50 5 $25 = $80, which represents an annual interest rate of 16%. To break even on the $100 loan, the MFI would need to collect interest of $10 1 $25 = $36, which is an interest rate of 36%. At first glance, a rate this high looks abusive to many people, especially when the clients are poor. But in fact, this interest rate simply reflects the basic reality that when loan sizes get very small, transaction costs loom larger because these costs can’t be cut below certain minimums.”
My friends and I have done the math on this where we work (in Uganda) and it’s absolutely true. I vouch for Kiva’s explanation here and I stand behind them and their philosophy, partners, and methods 100%.
As a final note I find it strange that so many people are uncomfortable with giving internationally instead of locally. Have you ever visited an area of true poverty? In the United States, people leave items of real value on the curbside for the garbageman just because they don’t want them anymore. Through “Freecycle” tons of free items are given away every day. At the soup kitchens restaurants like Panera and Dunkin Donuts give away their perfectly good food for the people to eat (as a volunteering friend of mine pointed out “wow, they eat better than I do”). In the United States, poor people are fat.
I love my neighbors (I volunteer locally often) and I hate poverty in all its forms, but I don’t understand giving only locally if you want to make the greatest impact. Yes, there is poverty everywhere, but there are so many options already to help people out of poverty here. There are literally free lunches and free beds available, as well as mountainloads of free junk all over the place. Most of the people who are worst off around here have either drug or alcohol problems or mental health problems. That doesn’t mean they don’t need help, they do. I just find it much more personally rewarding to give to people in poverty who can’t use a water fountain to get a drink.
Sorry for the long post, I feel strongly about these issues.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
After a long post, I’m going to add insult to injury because I have more to say.
I checked your charity list on Charity Navigator, First Book and SPCA are 4 star charities but National Trust for Historic Preservation’s only 3 stars, though there may not be a better rated group with the same mission, and they do only spend $0.07 per dollar raised which seems quite good.
Also, on Oxfam, I receive their emails and I believe the reason their website is vague is that they tailor their programs to local needs, and thus their approach in different areas is different and involves various local partners. From what I read in their emails and as someone who works on a similar but much smaller nonprofit, I think they’re doing great work and have a great understanding of what a charity should be.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
partgypsy Says:
October 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am
“Moneyblogga, maybe you should look into organizations that help people kick their drug addiction?”
I set up an alliance between myself, county social workers and local sober living houses. I made apartments available to those trying to kick the habit - the rent and security deposit was paid by grants and private charities. In exchange, the recipients had to attend college classes and stay clean - those were the terms as set out by the grantors and signed/agreed upon by everyone including myself. Out of ALL of said recipients, only ONE person has managed to stay clean and out of trouble to this day. Everyone else had to be served notice to move out of the building due to reverting back to their old ways. Many of them wound up back in prison or dead
PDXgirl Says:
Scholarships are certainly a worthy thing to donate to.
I completely agree. I know some students (friends of my kids) who are so proud of themselves for having been given the opportunity to go to college and for having been awarded the money in the first place. That money didn’t just give them the means to attend class - it validated them.
Personally, I have worked hard to give back to a community that has so much stacked against it and the frustration I feel has more to do with the fact that my efforts - and those efforts of so many other people - have been largely squandered and frittered away like so much nothing. The sense of entitlement that these types have is staggering. They know that the food pantry will bail them out as will the county with a cash handout. Welfare was meant to be a helping hand to pull you up and out, NOT as a “paycheck” to keep you down, which is how I hear the welfare check as being described these days. It’s not a paycheck. Still and all, charitable giving is the subject of the day and I definitely plan to make scholarship gifts available (even if it’s just enough to pay for books) to those students I decide will benefit the most. I plan on starting next year when my own monetary maladies are cured
October 15th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I’m so glad you’ve put yourself in the position where you’re starting to looking at building community as well as your bank account. Good job with all the fiscal discipline!
As someone who has volunteered on the board of a non-profit, I’ve seen how the giving time vs. giving money interaction plays out.
For some very active volunteer groups, like the one I was a part of, what they use the money for is to organize volunteers. If you put in quite a bit of volunteer time, especially if you help organize events, you can effectively donate far, far more than most people can/will write a check for.
That said, if you’re short on time, it is worth writing a check. For the charity, it takes time to process this check, so giving small amounts (unless you’ve completely automated it such as United Way giving campaigns) actually can end up costing them more money. The rule of thumb we used is 1 check = $25 in handling costs.
So I’d recommend picking the top group and writing 1 check for the amount you’d give for the year. My husband and I usually do this around the holidays when we’re in the mood for giving as well as being mindful of the tax deduction.
Of course, we don’t get a tax deduction for our political contributions, which is where most of our “charity” money goes nowdays, because of how much politics has an impact on our pet causes.
October 15th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Quinsy - thank you for writing all that out and saving me the time. I’m almost obsessed with making sure that I don’t get duped by a charity, so I did all that research before signing up with Kiva last year. For those who would rather give than lend in a similar situation but with less of a personal connection, check out villagebanking.org.
I started working through my feelings about giving - how much, what kinds of charities, what countries, etc. - in a separate blog, http://www.cheapcharity.blogspot.com. I start off giving a tiny amount, like $5-30, and I see what happens after that.
I give almost exclusively to tiny charities in Africa, Asia and South America because I want to help the poorest of the poor. Plus, I don’t have a lot to give, and $25 achieves so much more there than here. My shortlist:
http://www.thaifreedomhouse.org
http://www.tzkids.org
http://www.feedvillages.com
http://www.kiva.org
http://www.goods4girls.org
http://www.nyof.org
A great, searchable site for inspiration is http://www.globalgiving.com - I don’t actually give through them because GG takes 10-20% right off the top to meet their own expenses, and they’re just a middleman. But if you want to support a certain kind of work in a specific country or continent, this is a quick way to come up with a shortlist.
October 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
sincere thanks for helping raise awareness…
even though the UN is somewhat inept, the UN World Food Programme does provide food to millions of people who need it most.
and Kiva is amazing!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Whether it is local, national, international we should all give one way or the other. Be grateful of what you have, and the ability to have it and then pay it forward. I dont have much, but I give when I can, whether its donation of goods, food banks, cash donations, its a way of demonstrating that in the grand scheme of things, we are all in this world together whatever race, creed, religion, country we are from.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
JD: Good idea to start. One charity you might research for your own purposes is Feed the Children. For $10.00 they provide $50.00 worth of groceries.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:53 am
different Tim from the first post: relativity is the problem with “poverty”. Looking at poverty in terms of macro economics and comparing to our finances on a micro economic scale. handouts do not fight poverty, it reinforces bad behavior (unless we are talking about subsistence emergency needs). Empowerment instead.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:51 am
sorry, not related to poverty, but related to giving…
If your religious beliefs support it, sign up to be an organ donor. What a gift for another person!
http://www.organdonor.gov/donor/index.htm
Also, my small charity I mentioned before, thought I would give their website:
http://www.oneacrefund.org/
October 16th, 2008 at 5:33 am
My husband and I are big fans to giving to our fellow Americans- we are donors to “First Book” and “America’s Second Harvest.” I’m mainly commenting just to pass along my thanks to “FranticWoman” for passing along the tip of modestneeds.org - This is exactly the sort of site I was looking for- Its like prosper (which I love), but more feel-good!
Also a big thanks to J.D. for writing this post - It actually inspired me to take a second look at my husbands and mine finances and realize that we are definitely in a position to give more than we have been. So, thank you!
October 16th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Re: the sub-thread created by the discussion between Moneyblogga and PDX Girl… Drug addiction is a medical problem, and like the proliferation of mentally ill people sleeping on our streets, is a manifestation of a failing healthcare system. Clearly people who don’t (can’t?) work fall into poverty and need to be helped, but IMHO this is not a problem that can be solved with handouts — as Moneyblogga’s and Partgypsy’s experiences show.
Overall I tend to agree with the premise that charity begins at home, and so I donate to local causes. I also think that welfare is charity: it takes the taxpayer’s money and gives it to the allegedly deserving poor.
But…define “local.” In some ways the whole world is local. We could do more for people worldwide by working toward improving Third-World countries’ economies and eliminating despotism (rather than supporting those despots from whom our country hopes to extract some profit). In this hemisphere, accepting migrant workers (not turning them into bogeymen and pariahs) and employing them in jobs that Americans won’t do unless their backs are to the wall goes a long way toward alleviating poverty in Latin America.
And, on another matter discussed in comments: my experience has consistently been that charities will happily accept your volunteered time, but they’d rather have your money. On two occasions, after having spent a great deal of time, talent, and effort I was told that I had to pony up some cash — far more cash than I could afford! — if I wanted to stay active with the organizations. Your time won’t pay the rent or the staff’s salaries.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:58 am
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Have a great day!
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October 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I do not like giving things or money for charity. I have given a few bucks here and there and usually regretted it. I think I can make more of a difference by giving time. I have volunteered mainly in the form of news and web editing and by being on the board of directors for two nonprofits. I spend a lot of time on that stuff.
It is the whole give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish thing. I’d rather spend 10 hours of my time helping someone than spend 10 dollars giving even though that makes no sense at all at my pay rate (>$1/hour ;-P ).
October 16th, 2008 at 10:40 am
@ Quinsy: Thank you for your research on this topic. I think Kiva is a great concept and have no objections to their mission. Perhaps some of the bristling at the 20-30%+ interest rates is because in the US there is some concern with “following the money”. There have been far too many instances of good philanthropy gone bad, with millions of dollars going missing. It sounds like Kiva’s Field Partners are legit. Again, thank you!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
@quinsy’s comment #75–Exactly my feelings on giving local versus giving to third-world countries.
Part of my check already helps my fellow Americans, although I think the welfare system doesn’t encourage anyone to get ahead. As far as additional local giving, I’m only interested in giving to organizations that teach people to fish, so to speak, or that help animals, children, or anyone truly incapable of bettering their condition themselves.
People in wartorn countries and third-world countries are also unable to better themselves. Watch God Grew Tired of Us to see just how much opportunity people have in America. It’s a very inspiring movie.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Moneyblogga,
I hope your scholarship donations make a very important difference in somebody’s life.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
This year my 6 year old daughter & I donated hair to Pantene Beautiful Lengths. It takes 6 ponytails to make one wig. They give free wigs to women who have lost their hair due to cancer treatment. My 5 year old daughter will be able to donate her hair in another month, the minimum is 8 inches.
http://www.beautifullengths.com
October 16th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Hey JD,
Don’t feel bad. You’ve already helped the poor with this blog much more than giving 20% of your income away. It’s changed a lot of lives, and was one of my first experience into the world of finance, actually (I’m 19).
I think an important lesson is there: don’t focus on giving X money, focus on changing X lives. It’s not about the money, it’s about the people.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Wow! Glad my comment on starting small was helpful. And strangely enough, halfway through your post, I wondered whether you had heard of Kiva — and you had! I think you’ve chosen some good organizations.
October 25th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
You have inspired me to open up a Kiva account and give out my first loan. Thanks!
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Dear friend
I am accountant in egypt and in the past I had money and I was give the people to live in good life but now I have not job and I can not demond any service from any one becouse that get me annoy from my self , I do not know what can I do ? but I hope in the future will be good .
Best Regards,
Wahed Mansour
November 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I found this article very enlightening. I do not have much money to contribute but have found a great way to help for only ONE DOLLAR a month. Check out the site http://www.OneDollarNation.org. This is the perfect solution for me. Not only can I afford to give but I also get a say in how the money is spent.
June 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Just need help understanding how to get out of poverty, I know I have made a lot of mistakes but I have worked hard the last year to get back on my feet and I am going under. Can somebody help me, I can’t afford a scam, I just want to be ok, not have to worry about a man taking care of me and then feeling like he can knock me around, I didn’t grow up like that and I am 43 and professional but sick of this. Please help. I love to give and still do,if I have 2 bucks I will give 1. What is a Kiva account
thanks