The Snowball: How Compounding Affects Money, Knowledge, and Life
Wednesday, 12th May 2010 (by J.D. Roth) This is a guest post from Robert Brokamp of The Motley Fool. Robert is a Certified Financial Planner and the adviser for The Motley Fool’s Rule Your Retirement service. He contributes one new article to Get Rich Slowly every two weeks.
Happy anniversary to…well, all of us, I guess. This post marks my one-year (and five days) anniversary of being a contributor to Get Rich Slowly. It’s been a hoot.
My very first post was a report from my journey to last year’s Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting. While I didn’t attend this year’s meeting, which occurred two weekends ago, my interest in Warren Buffett’s commentary and biography hasn’t flagged. After all, I’m a Berkshire Hathaway shareholder.
The wealth snowball
This post’s Buffett lesson comes from The Snowball, the recent Buffett biography by Alice Schroeder in which she writes: “Since Warren looked at every dollar as $10 someday, he wasn’t going to hand over a dollar more than he needed to spend.” Buffett apparently was so cheap, he only washed his car when it rained so he wouldn’t have to pay for the water.
Former Washington Post heir and publisher Katherine Graham once asked Buffett for a dime to make a phone call. (Before the advent of cell phones, people had to use these things called phone booths if they wanted to make a call in public — and they didn’t even have Twitter!) Buffett only had a quarter, so the billionaire first went to get change.
Now, we all know that spending a dollar today means we won’t be able to spend it later. We may also allow that a dollar invested today will be worth more years hence, so that we not only delay gratification — we can pay for more of it.
But a dollar saved today leading to $10 someday? That’s an awful lot of compound growth, especially at rates being offered by today’s savings accounts and certificates of deposits.
Yet for Warren Buffett, it turns out that he was underestimating himself. From 1965 through 2009, Berkshire Hathaway stock returned an average 20.3% annually, turning $1 into $4,341. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you become the richest person in America.
Compounding for mere mortals
But what about the rest of us? Is it reasonable to think an investment today could decuple? (Yes, that’s the word for something that has increased tenfold, and, yes, I had to look it up.) That depends on the return you earn, and how long you earn it.
Below are three charts, assuming different rates of return, initial investments of $100, $500, and $1,000 (which are more representative than $1 of the spending decisions we make nowadays), and the numbers of years the money is invested.
| Years | $100 | $500 | $1,000 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5 | $122 | $608 | $1,217 |
| 10 | $148 | $740 | $1,480 |
| 15 | $180 | $900 | $1,801 |
| 20 | $219 | $1,096 | $2,191 |
| 25 | $267 | $1,333 | $2,666 |
| 30 | $324 | $1,622 | $3,243 |
| Years | $100 | $500 | $1,000 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5 | $134 | $669 | $1,338 |
| 10 | $179 | $895 | $1,791 |
| 15 | $240 | $1,198 | $2,397 |
| 20 | $321 | $1,604 | $3,207 |
| 25 | $429 | $2,146 | $4,292 |
| 30 | $574 | $2,872 | $5,743 |
| Years | $100 | $500 | $1,000 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5 | $147 | $735 | $1,469 |
| 10 | $216 | $1,079 | $2,159 |
| 15 | $317 | $1,586 | $3,172 |
| 20 | $466 | $2,330 | $4,661 |
| 25 | $685 | $3,424 | $6,848 |
| 30 | $1,006 | $5,031 | $10,063 |
In these examples, the only amounts that have increased tenfold are the ones invested for 30 years and earning 8% annually, a return not quite as easy to earn these days as they were in the second half of the last century. Still, the numbers might be compelling, especially for younger folks.
A few additional thoughts about these tables:
- These numbers don’t take inflation into account. So forgoing $100 today doesn’t mean you’ll buy $1,000 worth of goods at today’s prices; it’ll likely be quite less. But as long as you earn a return that exceeds inflation, you’ll still be able to buy more in the future than you could buy today.
- While most of us don’t drop $100, $500, or $1,000 on purchases every day, I do find it informative (and occasionally painful) to annualize expenses. Spend $6 every workday on lunch? That’s approximately $1,400 a year. Your cable costing you $100 a month? That’s another $1,200. And that’s after-tax money. In other words, to spend that $1,200, you had to earn $1,600 and then pay $400 in federal and state taxes (assuming a 25% combined rate) to have that $1,200 to spend. If you put that money in a traditional retirement account, you can at least defer the federal and state income taxes (though not the FICA taxes — you still have to pay those).
- The numbers in the charts reflect a one-time investment, and not continual, regular investments. For example, if you invest $500 every month and earn an average annual 6%, you’d have approximately $500,000 after 30 years.
- If you’re closer to the day you hope to retire than the last time you pulled an all-nighter, you might be saying, “But I don’t have 30 years for my money to grow!” That may be true for the money you need in the first several years of your retirement, but if you live to the average life expectancy (or longer), you won’t touch some of your money until you’re a decade or two into your retirement. Unless you’re an 85-year-old one-armed chainsaw juggler who smokes, you should plan on some of your money being invested for decades.
If you, like Buffett, find thinking about future values helps being frugal, print out those charts. Put them in your wallet. Wrap them around your credit cards. Post them on your computer monitor about where the “Place your order” button shows up on your favorite e-shoppe. After all, as Alice Schroeder explained in an interview with The Motley Fool, the power of compounding is where the title of her book comes from:
The Snowball is from a saying of Warren’s about life being like a snowball. It is really a metaphor for compounding, for the way that things tend to grow at an exponential rate when they are rolling forward over time. So his money has obviously been like a huge snowball, but it also refers to relationships and to knowledge and all the different things that tend to grow and layer upon each other.
Balancing tomorrow and today
Despite Buffett’s famed frugality, he doesn’t recommend forgoing all of life’s pleasures. As Schroeder explained in another next segment of her Foolish interview, even Buffett recommended that you have to strike a balance between enjoying today and investing (your bucks or your brains) for tomorrow:
He said to me one time, if there is something you really want to do, don’t put it off until you are 70 years old. … Do it now. Don’t worry about how much it costs or things like that, because you are going to enjoy it now. You don’t even know what your health will be like then.
On the other hand, if you are investing in your education and you are learning, you should do that as early as you possibly can, because then it will have time to compound over the longest period. And that the things you do learn and invest in should be knowledge that is cumulative, so that the knowledge builds on itself.
So instead of learning something that might become obsolete tomorrow, like some particular type of software [that no one even uses two years later], choose things that will make you smarter in 10 or 20 years. That lesson is something I use all the time now.
J.D.’s note: While I realize that much of the discussion about compounding involves theoretical, it’s still fascinating. If you start early enough and are disciplined (and things go according to plan), you really can use the power of compounding to build great wealth. But, as Buffett points out, it’s not just money that compounds. Knowledge does, too, as do relationships and experience. The more you do to improve your life today, the better it will be tomorrow.
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Not bad, but as you say, “These numbers don’t take inflation into account.”
In any sense, there is a cost to all of this. Something that is saved cannot be consumed today. So you have to forgo the present consumption to earn that future dollar.
I for one, would much rather consume today over the idea of “potential” future consumption.
Will I be alive? Will inflation occur? Will I be punitively taxed on future income? These are all questions that put risk on the proposition of saving.
In this consumption based economy, consumption is designed to provide more benefit than saving.
Note: you might want to check your math on the $100/day. I think most people are spending that ($36,500/yr) which only provides the minimum support to get by.
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Oh how I wish I could earn 5% on my savings.
That would be fabulous compounding interest.
Compounding interest and amortization are why I hate debt!
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It’s always in flux, but I think Bill Gates is the richest man in America… right now! Buffet is second by a few measly billion dollars. =P
No matter how you slice it, compound interest is a power thing that can’t be ignored.
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When we were using the snowball method to pay off our debt, every dollar was very important to me. I’d send out e-payments multiple times a month – snowflaking – but I don’t find myself doing the same with our savings.
We save regularly, automatically and self-directed at least twice a month, but I don’t work as hard at savings as I did with paying off debt. Something mentally is different for me and I’d like to be as focused on savings as I was on debt killing but 2 and 1/2 years later and I’m still trying to figure out how. I guess I could get more focused on killing the house debt maybe that would be more exciting for me.
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“You don’t even know what your health will be like then.”
This is one of the main reasons, I want to take a mini-retirement for two years in my early 30′s. I am single and live a frugal lifestyle, so I’m probably ahead in the retirement savings curve for my age group. Given that I can probably stop contributing to my retirement funds(401(k), Roth, and HSA) and live of my cash savings during my mini-retirement. I realize I would be retarding the growth of my retirement accounts if I am not contributing, but the compounding interest will be in my favor as I started putting away money since I was in my early 20′s(I’m in my late 20′s now).
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Unfortunately, I seem to have wound up in one of those fields where nothing I learn (and nothing I do) is really relevant for more than a couple of years. My impression is that there are getting to be more and more of those, whereas more lasting knowledge, like how to spell and punctuate English, is increasingly devalued.
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There is an easy way to take into account inflation. If you are going to model your future amount, like in the tables, simply use a growth % which has your estimated inflation % subtracted. So if you have a defensive investing portfolio you think will make 5.5%on average or a CD worth 3.7% anually, and think that inflation will average 1.5% for the coming years, create the table with 4% (5,5 -/- 1.5) or 2,3% (3,7-1.5). The resulting amount will be an amount of money, expressed against todays cost of living, which makes it easy for you to compare/estimate the impact on your life.
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I came to comment on how everyone on this site should read this book. It’s long, but it’s amazing to see some of the lessons of Buffett’s life. Aside from the fact that Warren would literally be socking away 10 dollars at a time to buy his own stock, there are many other things that are interesting historically and personally.
On the personal level, for all those who aspire to “Be the next Warren Buffett” is an explanation of his behavior as a child and into adulthood. I’m guessing that any Warren Buffett of today would be put on meds for OCD or autism because of his singular drive for understanding the world in statistics and numbers. Reading the book gives the feeling that he was literally born for what he does. Even in his discussions with his friends Bill Gates about how they got to where they were at the time (in the mid-90s) was “Focus”. Focusing on the snowball approach is the reason Warren Buffett is Warren Buffett and you and I are just trying to be like him.
On a historical level, it’s AMAZING to read about the Solomon Brother’s case and how the regulators dealt with them. It was basically like Goldman Sachs of today, except in the early 90s and with bonds instead of CDOs. Oh, and the employees of Solomon actually were afraid of the regulators.
Anyway, a bit of rambling here, but I’m very glad GRS turned me onto this book.
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Great article. I never really thought about how me giving away a dollar today means I am missing out on ten bucks later!
I am a huge proponent of trying to enjoy life today, but still prepare for the future. I know too many people that saved and saved for retirement, and then got sick in their 50s and never got to ‘enjoy’ that money as they intended. Whereas we do max out our retirement contributions, I also try to save as much as possible in plans of hopefully retiring (well, my husband actually) in his early 50s. There is a long span of time to cover financially between retiring at say 52 and being able to access your 401k money at 59 1/2. So we are working toward saving for those years.
The one extravagance we spend on now is family vacations. Most everything else goes into savings.
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I really enjoyed this post, as it shows how a little frugality now can pay off big later. Many people don’t see the point of saving a dollar here or there — but the fact that each dollar could turn into ten dollars down the road is wonderful incentive!
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When I started my professional career, an older guy told me that I needed to at least meet the minimum contribution on my 401k to get all of the company matching. He also said that each time I received a pay raise, I should increase my contribution by half of the raise amount. This would allow me an increase to my daily finances and super charge my 401k.
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I learned this in college but at the time I just didn’t care- I was way above it all with my bourgeoisie artist ways.
Nothin’ like a whole lot of debt to make it come home!
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I love Buffet’s philosophy of managing life.
Invest in education early and often – let the knowledge compound.
Snag known values while you can (current enjoyment).
Spend time on relationships.
You don’t have to be a billionaire to benefit from that kind of advice.
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I especially like the last part about education which is an approach that I have lived by for a long time. Education is often a great investment for several reasons:
- It brings pleasure here and now (at least it does to me)
- The investment can be both small and large. Going to a class, buying (and reading!) a book or downloading a PDF on economics for example, will cost you next to nothing, which means that you don’t need to save a fortune before you can start investing. On the other hand, some seminars are very expensive because they are very valuable, which also leaves room for larger investments.
- Educating oneself is almost always a good investment. Though you may not always know which book or class that brought you the specific knowledge that landed you the good job/pay increase/profit, you did gain from it never the less.
- Considering that most people know very little about how to invest in the market, education probably will yield a higher profit compared to uneducated investment in stocks. The same goes for education on the stock market
I’m not saying that all education will bring money, but with a bit of consideration it often will one way or another.
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I have been fascinated with the power of compounding interest ever since I learned of its potential back in stats class during college. I love this topic and use it as my main talking point in trying to convince fellow coworkers to start investing in an IRA, or at the very LEAST their 401k!
I am currently using the snowball method to pay off debt. The quicker I pay it off, the more money I will have in the form of unpaid interest. Paying off as much principal I can as fast as I can is my goal, and something I try to convey to others often.
While doing this, however, I maintain a very healthy 12% contribution to my 401k. I want to start my capital growth snowball ASAP, and that means starting to build the base of my funds now.
Nice read, I always love reading about Warren.
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This post gives me two additional messages. (1) Money is an integral part of our lives. If we handle money in a similar way as other aspects of our lives, we do well and have a good chance of leading a fulfilled live. (2) Being frugal is part of our general mindset and not just a technique.
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Buffett’s point is one that has been echoed by others for thousands of years. Simply put, it’s akin to the notion of karma, or you reap what you sow.
Invest today, profit later. That’s true across all walks of life. The time I invest in my children will bring a ‘profit’ as they continue to grow into responsible and capable adults. Likewise in the time with my wife, my friends, and my job.
What it really comes down to is a question: do I want some gratification now, or do I want what will probably be quite a bit more gratification later?
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I love examples like this of the power of compounding. And I have to agree that this “force” applies to many areas of life, including relationships and even blogging success!
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Great article!
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You’re supposed to WASH a car?
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Warren Buffet’s the snowball, Richdad poor dad, and Debt is Slavery by Michael Mihalik and everything by Dave Ramsey are the things that changed my life. Nice post.
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The only thing bad about $1 is $10 in the future, if I think about it too much, makes me not want to give to charity, because that is the “spare” 1 or 10 dollars or so I have on hand I can spare and the charity needs it now. How to balance giving money to charity (especially small amounts for school functions, etc) and saving those small amounts for the future?
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“But as long as you earn a return that exceeds inflation, you’ll still be able to buy more in the future than you could buy today.”
Which you won’t be able to do. Wait until our federal government, in all its infinite wisdom, starts to “monetize” its debt:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/05/11/our-unsustainable-debt
This is so serious – without addressing how our lives will be affected by it, it seems trivial and pointless to talk about being able to save and accumulate any kind of wealth that will be worth anything in the future.
This, however, is solid gold:
” … if there is something you really want to do, don’t put it off until you are 70 years old. … Do it now. Don’t worry about how much it costs or things like that, because you are going to enjoy it now.”
Mike Choi, your idea for a mini-retirement is an excellent one.
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Good advice in general but how is a mere mortal supposed to know what knowledge/skill will be obsolete tomorrow versus what will be useful in 10-20 years time?
My entire line of work could become obsolete for all I know.
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@George:
$36,500 after taxes is a healthy salary. A bit above the mean.
You can easy calculate the impact of inflation because it is usually represented as a percentage. To get the same amount after inflation, just add the inflation rate (3.5% historically) from the interest rate. To decuple that $100 in 30 years, you’d need to earn 8% + 3.5% = 11.5%. Not that easy, but you are talking about multiplying your spending power by 10, only by investing your money.
None the less, I think it’s extremely safe to say that any spending now means a much larger sacrifice later. I like to look at these charts and see how long it takes for your money to double. Every $10,000 you save in your twenties is $20,000 you have to save in your thirties, which is $40,000 you have to save in your forties, and $80,000 you have to save in your fifties, etc. Try saving $80,000 when you are only making $36,500 after taxes!
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@Shara #20, right?! LOL
I take my car to the carwash (and no, I can’t wash it at home) maybe twice a year, when it starts to get embarrassing. Or when I can’t see out the back window. Anybody else noticed how so many gas stations don’t have window-washer setups anymore?
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I love the line above: “Buffett apparently was so cheap, he only washed his car when it rained so he wouldn’t have to pay for the water.”
That is the funniest thing about Warren that I ever heard… and I thought I was frugal… Compared to this, I’m a spendthrift!
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Compounding is indeed a powerful force. What I believe is often overlooked is that it is a force that works not only in a positive direction but also in a negative direction. There is such a thing as Compounding in Reverse.
Invest heavily in stocks at times when the long-term return is almost certain to be poor (times of high valuations) and you lose not only the nominal amount that shows up as a loss on your portfolio statement. You also lose years or decades of compounding on those losses. It makes a difference.
Rob
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This is exactly what I have been explaining to my clients. The importance of saving money today (and getting interest on it) means you will not have to earn it in the future. Most of us dream about retiring, yet we feel that we deserve all kinds of toys and rewards, today. What happened to delaying gratification?
While I sound a bit harsh, I also strongly believe and advocate that you need to live your life now. Missed opportunities end up being regrets.
Like everything in life there needs to be a balance. Save for tomorrow but still take advantage of selective opportunities today.
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A few examples of investments that can easily earn more than 100% in the first year:
Clotheslines or drying racks
Learning to make homemade bread/pizza (hint: buy yeast in bulk and freeze it)
Learning simple sewing skills to mend clothing and sew buttons back on
A $6 toilet snake to unclog the toilet instead of calling the plumber.
If you only have a few dollars to spare, invest at home first and avoid the tax and inflation complications.
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The idea of a mini-retirement or sabbatical in the early part of one’s career may seem fun, but for most people it would affect your lifetime earning power. It’s the same for women who leave the workforce to raise children. You will lose your place on the corporate ladder, or if you’re an entrepreneur, who is going to run your business during that time off?
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Great article! Those daily expenses can add up to huge yearly expenses. And those expenses compounded over time are huge. It really makes you think about the impact of each dollar.
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I just put a $500 extra payment to my mortgage principle and it brought my pay-off date a month closer. So fun! Now if I can just do that every month…
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@31 Suzanne
We’re doing a year sabbatical this year. But we’re using it to do work-related things that are different from our career jobs. DH is working on a start-up, I’m working for a non-profit. We go back to our career jobs this summer. We’re spending more than we earn this year, but we’re enjoying life and the new experiences, and I think it will help rather than hurt our future careers, wherever they take us. Retirement or sabbaticals are what you make of them.
@24 The ability to learn new skills will never become obsolete.
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The most interesting quote I ever heard from buffet was and this is paraphrased
Everybody knows that they will NOT be the next Bill Gates, but for some reason everyone thinks they can be the next Buffet.
Also, through all the books I read investing is part knowledge, part discipline and most importantly temperament.
-Giskard
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@chacha1
That’s why I drive an SUV. Sure the 4WD comes in handy getting down dirt roads when it snows, but it’s mostly because it doesn’t look stupid covered in dust. I don’t remember ever washing it in the seven years I’ve owned it.
My mom managed to smash the hood once, and when our repair guy gave it back he said he had to wash it three times to find the right color to match. So she has had at least four washes, the one before we bought it and the three he did.
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Great topic. I like the Buffett examples – washing a car when only when it rains, and getting change for a quarter when someone asked for a dime. That mindset has worked well for him.
The one thing that needs more attention in this discussion is Present Value. $1 today is worth more than $1 tomorrow, so the future cash flows need to be discounted in order to quantify future money in today’s purchasing power. I know that there was a note on inflation in the post, but I do think that PV is an important element here that needs more attention.
Otherwise, excellent topic and good insights!
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I sure wish I could find a bank/credit union around here that offers those kinds of savings rate. Even finding a 5% would be nice! Then I could really start to love compounding interest!
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“if there is something you really want to do, don’t put it off until you are 70 years old. … Do it now. ”
Love this. Couldn’t say it better myself.
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I heard “Live like there’s no tomorrow, but save like there are a ton,” and it stuck.
We save 25% long-term – 401k, Roth IRA, individual stocks, and an emergency fund.
We save 25%-30% short-term – taxes, insurance, home and auto maintenance, vacations, fun money, etc.
We live on the rest…that usually covers weekend trips as well.
In short, create great memories throughout your life but be sure to save enough that you won’t be eating cat food in your 80′s.
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As someone who has never had a car, I don’t see not washing your car as being so cheap.
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I wouldn’t believe anything that someone from the Motley Fool has to say. I was following their stock recommendations and method of investing and I lost one half of my net worth in the Dot Com stock market bust. Fools follow the Motley Fool
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He seems to be very unbalanced, seeking change on .25 cents is dumb and a sign of Asperger syndrome even the article assume some form of autism. Like many suffers of this brand of autism, they are very smart but not happy. I can learn from his writings but I would not live his life.
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Buffetmeister is da man!
Forty five years ago I played pinball. My favorite of all was a game called “Tom Tom”. I’d collect bottles, cut grass, do whatever needed to get money to play those machines.
A few years ago I learned that one of Warren’s investments as a young man was ownership of pinball machines in barber shops in the Wash DC area.
Well today Warren has his billions, but man, I had a lot of fun playing those pinball machines. I can’t help but laugh thinking Warren got a few shares of Berkshire through my playing his pinball machines.
If anybody knows where I could get my hands on a “Tom Tom” pinball machine, oh I’d be in heaven.
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I’m often caught in the trap of thinking that putting away a little isn’t worth the hassle, but I’ve recently learned, through experience, looking after the pennies means the pounds will look after themselves. Thanks for the article.
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How much can a bucket of sudsy water cost?
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Buffett’s brain will not allow him to live “foolishly”. He is programmed to be frugal and will not deviate.
Dollars Not Debt
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If you increase $10,000 by 12 percent every year, compounded monthly then you will have over a million dollars or $1,052,938.32 after 39 years.
If you don’t believe the above or have any doubts about the math then I urge you to google compounding formula and plug in the numbers yourself to see it.
Just like you can turn a tiny seed into a giant tree with the right amount of TIME and sunlight, you can also turn your initial $10 grand into a million bucks with the right interest rate and the right amount of time.
It’s easy to get a 12 percent return on your money. If you buy a house then you get 8 percent from rent and you get 6 percent from appreciation so that’s 14 percent from real estate. Buying a house is like buying stocks. You buy low and sell high. Buy houses at bargain prices so that it will appreciate at 6-10 percent a year like stocks…
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