Ask the Readers: How Can We Afford to Buy a House?
Published on - November 12th, 2010 (by J.D. Roth) Though they could fall farther, housing prices are starting to seem reasonable again in many parts of the United States. Mortgage rates are cheap, too. Naturally, that means some GRS readers are beginning to express an interest in buying a home.
But prices are still high in a lot of places — including Washington, D.C., which is where William lives. He recently dropped a line to ask for advice: He’d like to buy a home someday, but prices are too steep. What should he do?
My friends and I all read Get Rich Slowly. We’re all saving for retirement through various tax-incentivized accounts, and we all live in the Washington, D.C. area. We all have one question that’s becoming more and more important: How on earth can any of us possibly buy a home?
- The one-bedroom house I’m renting with my girlfriend has an asking price of around $300,000, and is pretty small — around 600 square feet. If we wanted to buy it, that’d be a $60,000 downpayment.
- We just looked at a 2-bedroom condo — it was well over $500,000, or a $100,000 downpayment. That’s the sort of place we might want eventually, but the prices are ridiculous.
- Before we moved in together, she was living in a studio condo which she could have bought at below market value for only $100,000, which is a $20,000 downpayment. That’s the first downpayment where the amount doesn’t utterly boggle my mind — and it’s for a studio!
Together, my girlfriend and I make about $7,000 each month (after taxes). That may seem like a lot, but it doesn’t seem to go far in D.C. If I took five years to save for 2-bedroom downpayment, I’d need to save $1600 a month. Even if I split it in two, that’s still $800 per month per person. That’s close to our rent payment, and is more money than I lived on throughout college and grad school.
That’s also more money than the $1500 we currently save each month, so we’d not only need to go through lifestyle deflation, but we couldn’t save for anything else. As near as I can tell, we’d have to put all of our extra dollars towards the project for several years. Is that what’s supposed to happen?
Help! How can anyone afford a home with prices like these? Do you know of any good answers? Do the readers?
First things first: When housing prices are high, the smart move is to rent. Though renting fell out of favor during the middle of the past decade, there’s no shame in it. In fact, a lot of times, it’s the financially sensible move.
Earlier this year, I wrote an article that tried to answer the question, “Does renting make sense?” Because it’s directly relevant to William’s question, I’m going to quote part of it here.
Renting by the numbers
One way to tell whether it’s better to rent or buy is by looking at the price-to-rent ratio (or P/R ratio). This number gives you a rough idea whether homes in your area are fairly priced.
Though it may sound intimidating, figuring a P/R ratio isn’t too tough. All you need to do is:
- Find two similar houses (or condos or apartments), one for sale and one for rent.
- Divide the sale price of the one place by the annual rent for the other. The resulting number is the P/R ratio.
For example, say you find a $200,000 house for sale in a nice neighborhood. You find a similar house on the next block for rent for $1,000 per month (which works out to $12,000 per year). Dividing $200,000 by $12,000, you get a P/R ratio of 16.7.
What does this number mean? Writing in The New York Times, David Leonhardt says, “A rent ratio above 20 means that the monthly costs of ownership will exceed the cost of renting.” That’s a little opaque, but what Leonhardt means is that the higher the P/R ratio, the more it makes sense to rent — and the less it makes sense to buy.
During the housing bubble, the national P/R ratio came close to 20 (and went far above that in some cities). In other words, you could rent a $200,000 house for $10,000 a year (or just over $800 per month), which is a pretty good deal.
The normal range nationwide is between 10 and 14 (meaning it would cost between $1200 and $1600 to rent a $200,000 house). During the 1990s, just before the housing bubble, the national P/R ratio was usually between 14 and 15 (about $1100 to $1200 to rent a $200,000 house).
Another way to gauge the cost of housing is to compare it to your family’s income. From 1984 to 2000, median home prices were about 2.8 times the median yearly family income. (In other words, the typical house cost about three times what a family earned in a year.) During the early 1970s, home prices were about 2.3 times median family income. During the housing bubble, this ratio jumped to 4.2.
These numbers don’t mean a whole lot on their own, but they can give you some sort of idea whether housing is overpriced in your area. Plus, it seems safe to assume based on past figures that most families can comfortably afford a home that costs about 2.5x their annual income. (So, if your family makes $80,000 a year, you can afford our theoretical $200,000 house.)
Geographic arbitrage
Washington, D.C., in an expensive city. I’m guessing that William and/or his girlfriend are tied to their jobs there, and that the jobs can’t be done from elsewhere in the country. This is usually the case.
However, if owning a home is important to you and prices are high, sometimes the best financial decision is to move elsewhere. This is especially true if you have a job you can do from a cheaper part of the country. Geographic arbitrage is a great way to live rich.
In my case, Portland is expensive, and I could write from anywhere. Maybe North Dakota, for example. But my wife’s job isn’t portable, and she loves the place she works. (Plus, we can afford our home.) So, we’ll stick here for now.
Saving for a down payment
Finally, William worries that if he wanted to save for a down payment, it’d take him years. “Is that what’s supposed to happen?” he asks. Usually, yes. According to U.S. government data, housing is by far the largest expense in most people’s budgets. It can take a decade to save for a down payment!
Sometimes, you can buy a home for very little down. My wife and I bought our first house for something like 3% down (or $3,300) in 1993, for example. But this brings on added complications, not the least of which is private mortgage insurance, which is required if you don’t have at least 20% equity in your home.
For most people, the smart way to buy a home is to make a big down payment. And that usually means saving for years at a time. From the stories I’ve heard, though, this can be treated very much like a debt snowball, where the saver pursues this one goal — a down payment — with fanatical vigor.
Reader advice
Enough theory! What would you do if you were in William’s situation? If you’ve been in a similar spot in the past, what choice did you make? Should he give up on the idea of ever owning a home? Should he be patient and save? Or should he pack his bags and move to North Dakota?
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First of all, they need to check if their relationship is going to translate into a permanent arrangement. If they are sure about each other then the next step is to examine their future income. If they think their income will rise, then it’s probably a good idea for them to put less money down and then pay it down later.
I was in similar situation when I got out of school. Housing is more affordable in my area, but it was still 200k. I had 10k and borrowed 30k from family for the down payment. The interest rate was pretty high back then, but I was able to cover the mortgage payment with my salary. My salary rise in the next few years and interest rate dropped so the payment is now very manageable. I paid back 30k to family in about 5 years. That house is now a rental.
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Renting forever (or until retirement or a move) can be the best option in DC. Either housing prices are still inflated there or the real median income needs to be significantly higher than it is to buy but either way, the end result is the same.
I grew up in a smaller town and when I moved to NYC after grad school I was shocked to find that stable, professional grownups rented and had no aspirations to buy. And they were happy in apartments! After living there and then DC for a while, I get it.
I would suggest that unless prices fall dramatically the letter writer accept renting. Living a life of incredible frugality for years so you can save enough to buy a house that is going to keep you broke for another 30 years isn’t the path to long term happiness.
And for all the radical savers who say “but after the sacrifice you’ll have a house that is paid for!”, don’t forget that the property taxes and upkeep (and/or condo fees, if you go that route) will still be quite a chunk of change, particularly in DC.
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My wife and I would love to buy a house. We both really want a puppy and I would much rather have a fenced-in yard than a piddle-pad…
We can save almost $2,000 a month, but we still have some debts to pay, and as long as we’re still in debt, we’ve agreed not to take on a house mortgage. Hopefully we pay off these debts soon! I’m getting the itch of home ownership!
I’ve just written a few articles on renting, home ownership, and making more money. Take a look by clicking on my name, “LifeAndMyFinances”.
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Great advice!
Most of my friends in DC do own, but they also have very high-powered jobs and make well into the 6 figures not even counting their spouses salaries. And they own small townhouses or condos. My friend with a lower powered job is renting outside the city, but the census where she works is also outside the city.
We did *not* buy the 6 years we were living in a big city. One of my friends was planning to (with downpayment help from parents) but in the end she made the good decision not to. The places that she could afford were messes in terms of maintenance and when you’re not flush with cash, it is much better to have a landlord taking care of an ancient place. Now that she’s married and has a 6 figure job and husband with the same, they bought a place out in the suburbs and commute into the outer burbs instead of living in the city.
I think the standard heuristics are still good. Don’t buy unless you’re planning on being there at least 5 years and have 20% down, and don’t feel like you’re forced to buy no matter what the current interest rates and housing prices (unless you can easily afford to lose the entire price of the house). If you can’t afford it, don’t stress over it.
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As a resident in DC, I echo the idea of renting only here. Unless you’re making a TON of money and can be assured you’ll be employed for at least a few years, just rent. You can probably find a decent apartment/condo for rent, just keep your eye out on Craigslist. That’s how my fiancee and I found a steal in Georgetown (one of the most expensive parts in DC)
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William – I work in DC but live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland where the home prices are VERY affordable and the life style is laid back. There are great commuter busses that I take directly into DC – and then I don’t have to drive over the Bay Bridge. Yes – the commute is long (up to 1.5 hours on the bus depending on where your stop is), but I do work on my laptop on the bus so I don’t have to do it once I get home. And with people being able to telecommute, most commuters don’t have to go in to DC everyday.
I don’t want you to think I am suggesting you should move out of the city, bc city life is great for some people. I just want you to know that there are a lot of us out there who couldn’t even dream of ever buying a house in DC and have had the same issue you are having now.
I think this is a lot about priorities – and they vary widely from person to person. Our priorities were to have a house with a yard and grass, and pay off my student loans within 3 years. Living on the Eastern Shore was how we were able to do so. But the commute isn’t for everyone. (I am a commuter DH is five minutes away from his job:)
I hope everything works out for you and your girlfriend!!
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@#4 Nicole – That is a valid point about being in a place for at least 5 years to make it worth while. It is not only the mortgage, but closing costs, moving costs and sales commissions should you decide to sell later that add up.
@#1 retirebyforty – You are right that they may have to have a combination of their funds plus some borrowed from family to make it work.
Right now my daughter and her husband are planning on buying their first house. In order to do so, they are living in my house at a very undermarket “rent”. They save every penny they can for a down payment. Housing here outside of Boston is not cheap so they need all the help they can get. They should be able to afford what they want in another couple of years.
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I was able to purchase in the DC area after saving a few years, but I choose a small townhouse outside the beltway (after prices “crashed”). Luckily, my job is nearby and the commute is reasonable.
@2 Jessica: While I agree many in NYC rent, I have also found that NYC residents I have met don’t really use the word condo, they use the word apartment even if they are the owner. It makes it harder to discern, which is maybe their goal.
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They need to look in a different part of DC area- namely southern Maryland.
Most of my friends bought in DC 25 years ago- when we thought prices were outrageous. Now they are way past all that. Prices did not dip because the jobs moved there. The rule now should not be five years in that area- but ten. In the current flux of government jobs coming up—I wouldn’t buy a thing in the area.
Still, you can find a rental for under $1500 and you can save over $2000 a month IF you want to buy a house. There are enlisted people buying houses in Maryland all the time and taking the train to DC. It is all in priorities.
Rent! We did it for 16 married years of military and then bought our first house for cash:>)
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My wife and I were in the exact same situation. We were both young with pretty well paying jobs and we lived in a one bedroom apartment in Arlington, Va. I constantly ran the numbers and it just didn’t make sense to buy, and I didn’t like the idea of moving to the suburbs. What is the point of paying big city prices, if you never actually make it to the city?
Ultimately my wife and I moved to North Carolina. We didn’t have anything tying us to the area, so we left. Since we moved down here 2 years ago we have bought a house and have a child on the way. Also, we can afford for her not to work once the child is born. It is not for everyone, but consider moving to a lower cost city. I was a big city snob before I moved, now I really enjoy our new town. No traffic, great farmer’s markets and lots to do because of all the universities.
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As someone who lives in a HCOLA area like DC, the short answer is “you don’t”. You rent.
The longer answer is that you really need to weigh why exactly you want to buy a house, and adjust your plans accordingly. You will need to rent for years to buy a place, and that’s normal. You’ll need to make some serious sacrifices to get there- in our case, we shovelled all the money we could into house savings, limited going out to eat, counted every penny at the grocery store, used public transportation and our own two feet to go everywhere (something made much easier by the HCOLA’s readily available public transit), lived unlike all of our friends, and yes, made more money, funneling it all into our house downpayment fund.
Doing all of the above is a slow but steady way of building up your down payment for a house. On the other hand, it’s not a fun process. You really REALLY have to have a good and clear answer for why you’re doing that for years rather than renting. You will need to repeat it to yourself MANY times throughout the process!
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I want to echo what Janette said. Why can’t you just rent for most of your working life, saving the entire time, and buy a house outright when you’re older or even when you’re ready to retire? The amount of money you’d “throw away” in rent would probably be less than you’d pay in mortgage interest and all the usual house upkeep over the years.
In my adult working life I’ve pretty much only lived in big cities; it’s far too expensive where I live now and where I’ve lived in the past (and probably where I’ll live in the future) for me to consider buying. I’m a happy renter in a great house. Last time I saw my landlord he said, only half jokingly, “wanna buy a house?” Hell no, I don’t want to buy a house. It would throw all my money and mobility out the window. Buying might be a smart move for people who live far away from big cities, or people who think the suburbs are a great place to be, but for those of us who enjoy living where the action is, renting is usually the smarter and more frugal option.
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@Jessica: Or, we could get better jobs. But yes, incredible frugality isn’t the life we hope for.
@Nicole: Technically, we’re in Arlington. Prices are about the same close to the metro line. We’re on the metro to avoid the costs and headaches of driving.
@Janette: I’ve got a coworker in southern Maryland. If we mean the same place, I’m not willing to do that. She’s got none of the amenities of a city, and is ten miles from a grocery story. Seems like the worst of both worlds. But, if you mean somewhere on the Metro … then maybe.
Thanks for the great comments, guys! Keep it up, I should be around most of the day.
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I’m currently in a somewhat different situation than William, but with a twist or two. My spouse and I have similar incomes to William and his girlfriend and house prices where we are ring up in the same range. We can travel further from our big city for cheaper prices, but then we’ll never see each other due to commuting (and spend tons on commute costs).
Our two differences are: 1) my spouse saved very aggressively for our down payment, and once we got married I got on that bandwagon to. We’re looking at putting at least 30% down. It CAN be done. When you get to that point on your down payment, buying becomes way cheaper than renting. 2) We’re hoping that post-kids one of us will start working part time to spend more time with the kids. That means our monthly payments have to be calculated off of less than our current salaries. How can we do this?
We live frugally. You say $7000 doesn’t go far where you are, and towards housing it doesn’t go far where I am either. But you can cut a lot more out of your life, as you acknowledged. As far as we can tell, the truth is that you do have to go through lifestyle deflation (or just never inflate) for a while to be able to comfortably afford a house in these high cost of living areas. Right now my spouse and I save all of one income and about one quarter of the other. If you did that – and you can – you’d take just over a year to make a 20% down payment on that condo. In 3 years you could have a very comfortable down payment for a single family house.
FYI to commenters suggesting renting – rent ratios in DC are about 16 right now. That’s actually on the buying side of the scale.
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We’re willing to pay more for control and autonomy, but the apparent asking price is tremendous.
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I encourage everyone to watch these three videos at the Khan Academy, on buying vs. renting.
I’d also be interested in J.D.’s comments on them!
Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
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DC is expensive, but I do want to emphasize that there are affordable housing options for purchase in the District of Columbia proper. Giving the prices you mentioned, I imagine that you are limiting yourself to the neighborhoods you are familiar with, which are the expensive neighborhoods (Dupont, Adams Morgan, Capitol Hill, etc). There is lots more to DC that is much more reasonably priced.
My wife and I bought in a small, very safe, NE neighborhood (Fort Totten) 2.5 years ago and we are really happy here. Our 3 bedroom rowhouse was $300k, and you could probably get a house in our neighborhood for a little less than that now since the housing market has weakened. The neighborhood is very residential, but we are on metro (3 lines!) and just a short trip (bus, car or walking) from those city amenities – restaurants, groceries, etc. We never would have known to look here if we hadn’t found a good agent who knew the city really well. So that’s my advice for you. If you are really interested in buying in DC, get a good agent and start checking out neighborhoods you are unfamiliar with. I bet you will be able to find something.
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Hi JD,
Longtime reader, first time commenter. This is an issue that is very close to me as I live in the DC metro area and my husband and I just bought our first home. I want to second what Janette said – they need to widen their search if they truly want to buy a home.
We bought a 3 Bedroom / 1 Bath 1000SF townhouse in the City of Alexandria (just south of Arlington) which is less than 5 miles outside of DC, close to public transportation and major highways for $250,000 in August of this year.
It took looking at a lot of duds to find this diamond in the rough and it will need some work as it was built in 1942, but we love it! There is a charm and authenticity in this place that you can’t get in the new condos that are being built up all over dc. Also there are areas of Northwest that aren’t right in the heart of downtown are much more affordable – I know because we looked there too!
Again, to echo another reader it is all about priorities. If it is really a priority to buy, you need to widen your horizons. If it is a priority to live right in the center of the ritzy parts of northwest in brand new condos, then rent. It is as simple as that.
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We own one very old car, and both commute by metro. Both of our employers provide transit subsidies of one form or another.
Our primary past-times are cheap. We don’t have a lot of stuff, and get make trips to Goodwill to get rid of excess.
The big area we overspend is food. Whether out or in, I’m pretty weak in that area.
Lastly, I’ve set myself to be on a set budget, and save the rest. As salary increases happen, they will be invisible.
That being said, neither one of us is likely to get many more large pay increases. Maybe one or two each.
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I wonder about the effects of property taxes on the P/R ratio calculation? There are really wide variations in property taxes around the country – I know folks in NY suburbs who pay tens of thousands a year in property taxes (for run down 1950′s ranches, not crazy CT mansions.) And I have other friends who pay a couple of thousand a year in taxes with nice homes in different areas of the country.
Taxes have a major impact on the cost of ownership.
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This is actually in Arlington. The condo she once lived in is in Alexandria, walkable to the river and the blue and yellow lines (though its a hike). We’re currently in a 30 year old condo on the Orange line.
I said DC with JD as, I figure, most readers don’t live in the area.
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My mom doesn’t have her house on the market, but it’s for sale. And the price is (I’m guessing) around $225K.
Here’s the good: It’s 3 bedroom, all brick, immaculately maintained-and I mean immaculate, on an 11,000 square feet plot of land in a nice neighborhood. 3 bedroom, 1.75 bath, 2200 square feet.
Here’s the so-called bad: It’s not in DC, but in PG County.
Too far away? I used to work at the Tax Court in DC and would ride my bike.
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William-
I feel your pain. My significant other and I just moved to the DC recently and bought our first place together (a 2 bedroom condo). Our income is very close to yours and the only way we were able to buy was with downpayment help from parents. We know we’ll be here for a minimum of 5-7 years and wanted the control and autonomy as well. We also may want to hold onto the property as a rental should we move later on. With rates the way they are, we figured if there was any way we could buy now, we should.
It has worked out well so far and we really love our place. Only time will tell whether or not it was a good idea but so far, so good. Good luck!
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I still don’t consider home prices reasonable and doubt I ever will. Back in my hometown, (a small town surrounded by farm land halfway between Philly & NYC) home prices are still double (after inflation) they were in the 60′s. Prices out here in Colorado are in-line with inflation-adjusted prices from 1960′s NJ, which makes me wonder how cheap property was out here 50 years ago.
I’m not the best and giving advice here because 1) you couldn’t pay me to live in a metro area – I’m just a country boy that way and 2) I believe in home ownership reasons that have nothing to do in finances.
My advice would have been, if you’re not willing to leave the DC area at least look at the surrounding areas, but it looks like William isn’t entertaining that option. (BTW, what’s wrong with a grocery store being 10 miles away? Growing up, we had a small grocer in town, but the nearest supermarket was 20 miles away)
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I also live in the D.C. area and have wondered if I willl ever be able to afford anything in the area. It is so expensive even if you look at the suburbs! I like Kate (#11)’s response – it is very pragmatic.
I think retirebyforty (#1) also has a good point – are you & your girlfriend committed for the long haul? It seems like a bad idea to enter into home ownership together otherwise.
Thanks for posting this letter, J.D.! I’m interested to see everyone’s advice.
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House prices in D.C. are typically high. If you want something cheaper you will have to go outside. The further away, the cheaper it will be. And don’t wait for the prices to come down because last I checked prices were starting to go up again. To give you an idea, I live in the Manassas area and would be looking to sell my 3-level 2-bedroom townhouse for $300K.
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@Peter: Congratulations! I’m not expecting any inheritance, so this whole “loans from parents” thing is foreign to me. It sounds great, though!
@Edward: Just a different desired life, I guess. The store (and practically everything else) is walking distance away. I’ve never enjoyed driving, and this way I don’t need to drive. Besides the financial changes, this is just great for my state of mind: I get aggravated when I drive.
I’m also from a fairly small place, but I’ve really taken to living in larger place. I’ve tried NYC, and that’s a bit much for me, but our current place is basically ideal.
As for the grocer, its 2 blocks away. If I forget something, I can always go back. Most trips are quick — under 10 minutes — and I really like the convenience.
There’s nothing wrong with a grocery store being 10 miles away, but it does seem inconvenient.
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I agree with the North Dakota idea. I live in a rural area. Houses in our neighborhood were going for in the $200,000′s during the bubble, and the house next door to us is currently up on a short-sale for 89,900. Another house in our neighborhood is for sale for $59,000. Sounds like foreclosures aren’t a huge savings option in DC? Las Vegas is having some crazy great pricing right now, too due to their huge inventory of foreclosures. If you can find the right area, it really is a great time to buy.
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I live in DC too. There are some more affordable areas, though they still aren’t cheap. For example, there are better deals in the Southwest Waterfront neighborhood, which is a nice, safe area with good Metro access.
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Many people hope their first house will meet all their needs. It may not be possible to get everything you want for a price you’re willing to pay. Many of us who buy our first houses in large cities make sacrifices–buy a fixer upper, live in a marginal neighborhood, take in housemates, borrow down payment from family. If those kinds of compromises don’t work for you than you may have to wait.
I’d also suggest you look into programs offered by your state or county. Your income is fairly high but for your area you may fit into a special program. Here’s one link to explore: http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/cphd/housing/housing_info/CPHDHousingHousing_infoHomebuyers.aspx. As a Housing Counselor, I’m amazed at how many people miss out on special mortgage programs available to them.
Also, are you or your girlfriend working in a “public service” field? There are special mortgages with favorable terms for teachers, police officers, firefighters, etc.
You may want to seek out a HUD-approved class or counselor in your area who can help you dig out some of the resources. Some nonprofits limit their work to helping low income families but others (like mine) offer education to people of all incomes.
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@Atticus175: I’ll look into the Southwest Waterfront.
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We bought in Rockville and were initially considering doing an FHA loan but we ended up doing a conventional loan with 10% down. With that kind of loan our lender let us pay 2 years of PMI up front to make it go away forever. We had to bring that to closing, but it’s nice to have it out of the way.
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Here’s some advice from another DC family, who recently got lucky enough to move to NC for a tour of duty (soon to be returning however).
If homeownership is something you really really want, DC is most likely not the place to settle down. You will never be able to afford a decent house and not work until you 105 paying it off.
Try this: Start looking around the country and other places you’d really like to live…don’t worry about jobs at this point…just where you’d really like to live. We were lucky in that we found from our tour, that we absolutely LOVE living in Greensboro, NC. The QoL here is 100x that of DC and so, so much cheaper. The problem? No decent jobs here (i’ve been looking frantically as an engineer…its not a “technical” place).
But here’s the deal folks….a really nice house…and in a really nice neighborhood, in places OTHER than DC are pretty affordable. Work on saving up a 50% or more downpayment for a house in this other area (outside of DC). Buy and rent it out and pay it off as soon as possible. For those of us young enough 20′-30′s…you’ll have a fully paid off house in an area you love. At THAT point…Who cares about the job anymore? YOU HAVE A PAID OFF HOUSE SOMEWHERE YOU LOVE. Leave the crap hole that is DC, get fun, lower paying jobs are start a business in your new town…you don’t NEED a lot of money anymore…
There are escape routes out of DC…but they are tough….
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William, you don’t really sound like you are willing to give up much to be a house owner. Buying a house in a high-cost area means a ton of sacrifice. As others have said – you better make sure that owning a house is your top priority.
Sounds like you have a good thing going with renting.
Mike
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You raised two related but distinct issues. If home prices are inflated (compared to renting, median income, or simply to your perceived value) then the challenge of saving for a down payment is moot. Even if you had the money, buying an overvalued home wouldn’t be a good use of it.
OTOH, once you’ve accepted home prices as reasonable – or at least stable – the question becomes how to get a down payment you’re comfortable with. A real estate agent I know said that he sold 3 condos in the last 30 days to FHA buyers with 3.5-6% down.
My own view is that buying without 20% down or easily accessible – enough to weather more price declines without losing control – is a fool’s game. The FHA did not ask my opinion before lending my money, though, so you might as well make the most of it.
Obviously reality isn’t as black-and-white, but I do think the answer is probably to pick which of those 2 problems is yours.
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I created a spread sheet on google docs for a friend with similar questions.
It allows you to input your assumed costs (I’ve got some there already to help) and income then explains whether you can afford to buy or now based on some rules of thumb (i.e., 28-32% of income).
The spread sheet:
http://goo.gl/I89rC
PS – please download a copy rather than editing the original.
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Still think is a very good time to invest regardless if the p/r ratio is off as this is a prime opportunity for action takers.
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@ William
My husband and I make about the same take home pay – I agree it sounds like a lot, but it doesn’t go as far here as in other parts of the country. We are tied to this location as our families are here as is my husbands business.
Arlington was our goal location, but our biggest priority was staying inside the beltway, primarily along the 395 corridor for commuting purposes. Ultimately North Arlington was totally out of the question for us, and we found a great place in Alexandria right on the border w/ South Arlington in an “up and coming” neighborhood.
We love the walkability of where we are now, Del Ray is right around the corner, Crystal City is just a few minutes drive, awesome.
This may sound like hereasy, but we got an FHA loan. We had a decent house fund, but nowhere near 20% and we wanted to be able to take advantage of historic mortage rates without having to renew our lease another year.
Ultimately even w/ PMI (which is temporary), taxes and insurance our mortgage is less than $1600/mo – only a couple hundred more than we were spending on a 1BD in Merrifield. Also – because this is an older neighborhood there is no HOA or Condo fees. For us it was a lot of factors coming together at the right time.
Keep looking and you will find what you are looking for – just make a list of the things that are priorities for you. Good Luck!
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William,
My husband and I are in a similar place and situation, and we live in an area where we hope to stick around for “good.” Did your monthly mortgage calculations include property taxes? We can find a house within our budget, where the principal + interest are roughly equal to our rent, but then need to add an additional $500 for property taxes and insurance (and insurance). We haven’t made firm decision to buy a house, but the large number of houses on the market and the low mortgage rates are a draw. We like our landlords, but yea, it’s not the best situation and we would love to own our own place. They are slow to fix things, so we take care of it unless it costs more then $20. After all, what’s $20 compared with $400/mo in property taxes? One of the other blogs I read is written by a gal in the UK. From several of her postings, I have gathered that most people don’t buy homes until later in life (40′s ish), but they do so with huge downpayments (often from inheritances) and end up with reasonable mortgages. Something to consider. It would be nice to be able to tell the bank to stuff it and buy a house you want on your own terms.
A side note – we recently put in an offer on a house, that would have meant paycheck-to-paycheck living again and it was a HUGE wake-up call. We pulled the offer and spent the rest of the week in a daze realizing just how much we like our life at the moment. We live a frugal lifestyle as it is, but it is really nice to have a little flexibility in your life. If I want to shop for mostly local, organic food from the independent market down the street, I can. If we have a milestone in our lives, like a raise or paying off our last auto loan and want to celebrate with dinner out, we can.
~Kaytee
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I would definetely move to other city/state, there are other cheaper states and I would never hold to a state where I cannot even buy a house, I cannot call it home if just for the sake of living in a state I’d end up having to rent and have landlords for a lifetime. Go check other options.
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I grew up in the DC area, and, while I love visiting, I would hesitate to settle there due to the cost of living. But one of the benefits of living in such a cosmopolitan area is the range of opportunities. If pay increases are not an option in your current jobs, and if you’re already saving as much as you can from your existing incomes, perhaps one or both of you could find a way to generate a little extra income on the side. There are so many professionals in DC who need help with chores or who have money to spend on arts or crafts, there are probably opportunities for many types of freelance work. Even a little extra income (say, $100/week) could make a big difference in how much you can save over a year.
Another option – also requiring some work – look for purchasing opportunities in foreclosures or houses in good neighborhoods that need a lot of TLC. A lot of home sellers suffer b/c they don’t update their houses before listing them, which depresses the price. The purchaser willing to do some fixing up work can find some bargains. My husband and I bought a HUD foreclosure for our first house – and it was a fright when we bought it. A lot of elbow grease made it charming and increased the selling price over 50%.
Bottom line: there are no easy options, but you can generate more options for yourselves if you’re willing to put in some hard work.
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William – our condo in Gaithersburg is going on the market in March. 2BR/1BA, 864 sqft – it will probably be in the $145K range, $200/month condo fee. We are about 10 minutes from the Shady Grove metro in Montgomery County. Suburban, close to shopping and restaurants. We’ll paint and carpet whatever colors you want
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@William – I hear you on the salary increases. People have told my spouse and I that we should count on them for a home purchase, but I happen to think that’s very unwise advice. Buy what you can afford today, not what will leave you house poor and grasping for money.
Like you, I used to overspend on food. As a single woman I spent about $400 a month on groceries for myself and making dinners for friends and my now-husband. Having picked up my husband’s spending habits, that’s been cut in half and covers the two of us. It’s all about buying stuff on sale, finding the cheapest groceries (Aldi rocks, they have them in the DC area), and learning to make more with less. A recent Wired article that came out yesterday references a study showing that people get more pleasure from food they work harder for, so if you turn making bargain meals into a game, you might actually have more fun than over-spending.
Instead of setting your budget based on today, try setting it on an expected mortgage payment (including taxes and insurance, and PMI if you expect to have it). Save what you aren’t spending on rent in that imaginary housing budget. It will help your down payment fund go up faster and help you see if you can afford a place.
Jessica, I just want to say that it sounds like you did awesome for yourself. PITI + PMI for 1600/mo in the area you’re in is amazing. Am I allowed to be a bit jealous?
By the way, this is #14 Katie, who is not #11 Katie.
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@Kaytee: Saving for ten years is a possibility. That’d be a lot easier than doing it in five.
@ami: I’m pleased with my current job, and its pretty new.
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William, I live in DC also and have come to the realization that home ownership is many years away. I wanted to second what Atticus175 said though – there are some more affordable places in DC but they are in less “established” neighborhoods. For example, I live near Eastern Market but closer to the H St area. Because H St is now becoming a “cooler” area, a lot more young families are buying up the few remaining affordable row houses, knowing that the value will continue to increase as the neighborhood grows and prospers. You can find that also near the Ft. Totten metro, near the Potomac Ave metro on the blue line and near the SW Waterfront. I’ve also heard that NoMA (north of Mass Ave near the NY Ave metro) is continuing to get buzz as “the next U St area.” It’s more of a gamble as some people in DC don’t consider the neighborhoods as established as Capitol Hill or the U St area, but sometimes being the first people in, allows you to get the greatest value with your money. Good luck though!
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a couple of ideas I didn’t see yet in a quick scan of comments so far…that is, if you are still on the “buy” track (not rent)
1-have you looked at 2-family houses? Then the income from the other unit can help with the cash flow. You still need the downpayment, but if you can find an “emerging” neighborhood it can help on the $/unit side.
2-downpayment assistance may be available via housing affordability programs (you may have too much income, but check some out) or programs targeting “emerging” neighborhoods. Contact affordable housing advocates/non-profits in your area for ideas
3-are you handy? consider vacant houses, absentee landlord houses, gov’t auctions, $1 houses, etc.
4-have you done an realtor.com search with some semi-ridiculously low number for an upper price boundary, just to see what there is?
5-look for prop’s with seller financing – there aren’t many, but with income & good credit you could be an ideal buyer. Want-ads, signs on the house, and internet searches might find some
6-if the final hurdle is the down payment, consider selling some of your stuff for cash, or getting a second job/doing some consulting, or any of the other creative ‘boost my income’ ideas out there
Good luck, whatever path you choose
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You might want to check out Columbia Pike. I found a one bedroom place in the area for $200k in 2007. The prices aren’t as high, mainly because there is no Metro, but the buses run up and down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon City Metro constantly.
They are also planning on building a Street Car that’s going to go up and down Columbia Pike in the next 5 years or so (piketransit.com). I know that’s a long time to wait for an upgrade in transportation though. Shirlington is another option that may be worth checking out.
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Expensive cities are tough! Similar complaints come from Boston, New York, San Francisco… they are just expensive.
There’s a few options I see in expensive housing markets:
- Settle for a smaller (or much smaller) place in an ideal location
- Head farther out for lower prices
- Really throw yourself into saving for the down payment. While I know DC is generally more expensive, it sounds like you and your girlfriend have monthly expenses of $5500. That seems like very comfortable for just two people without kids. If buying is important, I would try to cut down to a monthly budget of $4000, leaving an extra $1500 for you to save for a down payment every month. That may sound crazy, but my husband and I (also in an expensive place) have spent a year and are finally on track for spending just that. Many, many families live on much less.
If none of those options sound like you’re think, then you may just be a renter. I say look for a good landlord. Our friends recently jointly bought a washer/dryer for their apartment with their landlord, each paying half. They were up for it because otherwise they were use wash and fold and spending a ton, and they were willing to pay for the convenience. You can hope for a landlord that is personal and great like that, which will make renting feel better. (I’ve only had horrible landlords, but others seem to have better luck).
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Boston is ridiculously expensive too, but we want to buy a house there for some reason. Our jobs are tied to Boston metrowest, though.
What we ended up doing was buying a home an hour out of Boston – where prices went from $300,000-$600,000 to under $200,000. Our street is full of really large, really gorgeous homes that all have unique architecture. But there is one ranch on the street that was inhabited by a cheap, crotchety old couple. We bought it for 166k based on only one of our salaries. We’re paying it off rapidly.
We should be able to pay off the house in another 5 years – we have incredible job security and barring a Mayan apocalypse or major disaster, we’re on track. Our mortgage payment is $1300 a month.
Our home’s value has been going up with all of the fixing up we’ve been doing. Right now it’s gained about 13% in the year that we’ve lived here.
The reason this is better than renting, if you can do it, is that in five years, when we look for our next house, we’ll have all of our “rent” back in asset. Since we’re paying off early we won’t be paying much interest on the house (compared to what we’d pay on a 30 year). The sale of the house will be our down payment on a $500,000-$600,000 house in some suburb of Boston.
Even if you find a house in an area that isn’t as nice as you’d like it to be now – I can’t even begin to tell you how bad the bathroom and kitchen in this two bedroom upset me since I like to cook and have non-wallpapered ceilings – it’s just one step in the big picture.
By the way, we’re 25 and 26 – by no means your average homebuying age – so time was not of the essence. But my father used a similar system to buy his retirement home in Texas and vacation home in Colorado.
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