On the Road to Nowhere: The True Story of My First (and Worst) Job
Published on - September 5th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) It’s Labor Day in the United States, the holiday that traditionally marks the end of summer and the beginning of the new school year. Officially, it’s intended as “a day off for the working citizens”. As usual, GRS is taking a short break. This is a reprint of a column from five years ago.
Your job is one of your most important assets. It gives you earning power. It can bring you personal fulfillment. But what happens when you’re stuck in a job you hate? Here’s the true story of my first job after college, the worst job I ever had.
On the road to nowhere
I made some poor choices at the end of my college career; as a result, I graduated without a prospect for work. No matter — I lived off my credit cards for a few months, basking in the glow of adulthood. Eventually I realized that I needed to find a job.
My father, a life-long salesman, and always a sucker for other salesmen, set me up to meet with an insurance guy who had tried to sell him a policy. We met in a Denny’s on the far side of Portland early on a Saturday morning. The guy gave me long, slick pitch, touting the job’s “unlimited income potential“. He needn’t have bothered. I needed work and was dumb enough to think that this was a perfect. I signed up.
I underwent two weeks of training, during which I learned how to sell crappy insurance (though I didn’t know it was crappy insurance at the time). I spent two days learning why this was the most marvelous insurance product in the world. I spent another two days role-playing the door-to-door sales technique: I’d pretend to be the salesman and the 55-year-old chainsmoker seated next to me would be the customer. It was so easy! I sold him a policy every time.
I spent a couple more days learning “rebuttals”, the magic scripts that would turn a prospect’s objections against himself. Our goal was to sell the customer whether he needed the insurance or not. We were to create the need.
This training period was life-changing. I had awakened a giant within. I was a new man. I began to cast aside the skin of my existing life and take on that of another:
- I broke up with my fiancee.
- I bought a brand new car. (A car that I could not afford, obviously.)
- I bought a new wardrobe, paying full price at trendy stores.
- I ate out every morning, every noon, and every night.
- I bought a brand-new Super Nintendo and a Gameboy.
In one training session, we were required to cut up magazines to make a collage depicting our goals. I cut out a big photo of a log cabin in the woods and declared, “I’m going to retire a millionaire when I’m thirty.” The older folks in the class — they were all older, and all over thirty — stared with vacant, hollow eyes as I made my presentation.
That night I went out for a fancy dinner.
Learning to fail
After training, I spent a week shadowing my manager (the man who had hired me), watching how door-to-door insurance sales worked in the real world. We drove to rural Oregon (Enterprise, in the far northeastern corner) and set up shop in a motel. That Monday morning, we met for breakfast in a local coffee shop. I bought my manager eggs and coffee. We drove out and began knocking on doors.
At every house, we’d introduce ourselves: “Hi. I’m J.D., and I believe this will interest you also. For only fifty-eight cents a week, should any accident whatsoever require hospital confinement…” and so on. My manager was slick. He signed up three people that first day. He’d made $120!
The next day, it was my turn to try. And suddenly my enthusiasm ran smack into the reality. It wasn’t a game anymore when I was the one trying to convince the little old lady with the oxygen tank that she needed to buy my policy.
“I’m on a fixed income,” she said, and I had no response. I wasn’t going to try to convince her that she needed this. She didn’t. She needed to hold on to her money. But my manager saw her weakness, and sensed my hesitation — he stepped in and smoothly countered her objections and wrote the policy for her. He let me keep the $40 for the sale. “You can’t let them make you feel sorry,” he told me. “Your goal is to get a signature and a check.”
Actually, my goal was suddenly unclear. My goal had been to make a million dollars by the time I was thirty, to own log cabin in the woods. But not like this. Not selling policies to little old ladies. I went back to the hotel and called my dad. “I want to quit,” I told him.
“You can’t quit,” he said. “You’ve only been doing this two days. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Don’t be an idiot.”
I called my ex-fiancee. “I want to quit,” I told her. She wasn’t surprised. I’d just broken off our engagement, so why would I stick to a job?
I talked with my manager. “I want to quit,” I told him. He frowned, and then he smoothly countered my every argument. The one that made me change my mind was this: “Look how much you’ve spent. You bought a new car. You bought new clothes. You’re paying all this money for food and lodging. If you quit now, that money is all wasted.” I believed he was right, and so I stuck with it. I threw good money after bad.
Digging a hole
For the next two months, I traveled with the other salesmen, spending a week at a time canvassing the small towns. “Hi. I’m J.D., and I believe this will interest you also. For only fifty-eight cents a week, should any accident whatsoever require hospital confinement…” I was a terrible salesman. I did not believe in my product. It was a crummy policy pitched in a slimy method to people who didn’t know any better. I felt dirty.
I sold some policies, it’s true, but my income was a miserable $280/week or so. My expenses were much more than that. I had reconciled with my fiancee, and so was paying rent for an apartment with her. I was also paying rent for an apartment in Portland because I was required to live close to the office. (Why? We were never there!) And I was paying for hotel rooms four or five nights a week. I was essentially paying for three sources of lodging. And for a new car. And for a shocking amount of gas. (I put 20,000 miles on that car in three months.) And for food.
It was during this period that my problems with food began. I was stressed, mentally conflicted. I began to eat poorly. In the morning, I would buy a box of old-fashioned donuts and a quart of chocolate milk, drive to some secluded spot, and down it all while thinking of my ruined dreams. I don’t even want to think of how many calories I consumed every morning. I gained twenty pounds in three months. I charged $10,000 in credit card debt. I bought a brand-new $10,000 car.
My life was a disaster and I was only twenty-two years old.
Stuck in the mud
The nadir came on a drizzly Friday. I was selling policies in hilly country west of Portland. It was early morning, and I had just driven up a long gravel road to make a futile pitch to an old farmer. He was getting ready for work, and didn’t want anything to do with me. “You need to leave,” he told me, and so I did.
I drove my brand-new car further up the gravel road to a fork in the road. I could have continued straight, but I took the road less travelled by (and that made all the difference). I drove downhill and around a corner. The road narrowed and the gravel vanished. The road ended. I considered backing up, but instead decided to make a three-point turnaround. I had pulled forward into a newly-plowed field. My tires sunk in the mud. Cursing my luck, I attempted to rev myself out of the jam, but that only dug the tires in deeper.
I got out to survey the situation. The drizzle had turned to rain. I believed I could push the car back onto the road, so I rolled up my pant legs, took off my sports jacket, and tried not to worry about my muddy shoes. I went to the front of the car and pushed. The vehicle moved slightly, so I pushed some again. I rocked the car back-and-forth, and soon it rolled free. Gravity doesn’t care about bad days or crappy jobs. When the car came free, it rolled in the opposite direction from what I had intended. Because it was resting on a slope, it rolled toward me. I dove into the mud, and watched as my car rolled fifty feet downhill, where it struck a fallen tree with a crunch.
I lay still for a few moments, trying not to think about the ruined clothes and the damaged car. I was in shock. I got up and walked up the hill, back to the farmer’s house. “What do you want?” the farmer asked me. I explained my predicament. I think something about the situation must have moved him to pity, because his features softened, and his voice mellowed. “Stay here,” he told me. “I’ll get a tractor and pull you out.”
I drove home (to one of my two apartments). I took off my wet and soiled clothes and took a hot bath.
And yet I still did not quit the job.
This, my friends, was the worst period of my life in nearly every way: emotionally, physically, mentally, and financially.
The moral to this story
There are good jobs, and there are bad jobs. And then there are shitty jobs. You should strive to work only at good jobs. Sometimes you’ll have to endure bad in order to meet a greater goal. But you should never put up with a shitty job.
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What a horrible story, but great advice on labor day. I love my (day) job!
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So after all that, what finally made you quit the job?
Paul
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“In the morning, I would buy a box of old-fashioned donuts and a quart of chocolate milk, drive to some secluded spot, and down it all while thinking of my ruined dreams.”
This just kills me.
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Really, this sounds like the first line to a good novel.
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I just read this post while in the midst of the lengthy hiring process for Edward Jones financial adviser. What you described sounds like a lot of misguided expectations and poor planning, as well as some bad luck. You did not have to have 3 places. You should have been well aware of the job requiring you to knock door to door and SELL things that sometimes you may not agree with. I have been thinking a lot about this job and the rewards you can attain if you stick it through. I too, will probably want to quit, but when you talk to the financial advisers 5, 10 or 15 years in the business they are doing very well (100-300K/yr). J.D., had you considered all of these things before you quit?
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Money isn’t everything. If I thought my company was really slimy and unethical, I wouldn’t work there. Period. And, sometimes you don’t learn they’re crappy until you actually work there. There’s a difference between wanting to quit at times and just really hating your job and your employer.
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yeah, and the ability to sleep at night…priceless.
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Terry, it’s probably true that people who have stuck with it for 3-5 years are doing well – those who weren’t doing well would have dropped out (or been fired) after a few years!
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“when you talk to the financial advisers 5, 10 or 15 years in the business they are doing very well (100-300K/yr)”
I’m going to let you in on a little secret: They’re lying.
That fancy suit is the only one they own. The BMW is a lease. The fancy dinners are piling up on his credit card.
It’s all part of the “fake-it-till-you-make-it” mantra that any MLM cult feeds you to keep stringing you along long enough to make more money for your “upline.” It’s all a scam. You’re a pawn and you’re being taken advantage of (but so are the posers who claim they’re making 6-figures, but will never EVER show you their tax return or a pay stub).
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Actually, one of the guys did show me his records. He had been in for 20 and was bringing in 360b after everything. I do think that you have to work hard until you make it, but then once you’ve made it, your set, and your schedule relaxes.
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Financial advisers/planners do make good money but as someone said a lot probably do drop out fairly quickly.
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Wow, JD! What a compelling story. I went through something similar after college graduation. We are fortunate that those early failures didn’t lead to an unbreakable cycle.
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hate to be a naysayer here, but at 22, i think this is what generations before you and me would have called “opportunity,” a la Bill Gates’ reference to flipping burgers in his commencement address. it was an experience that taught you some invaluable lessons, therefore not a mistake at all. sometimes we only learn the hard way as lessons tend to get lost in the blind acceptance of “success.” and oftentimes we have to kiss of lot of frogs before we get the prince in our careers.
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I don’t necessarily think that just because you learned something from a crappy situation that it was an “opportunity.” Yeah, I learned a lot from the point in my life that was the worst (unlike J.D., I mourned my shattered dreams by not eating for 5 months and barely dragging myself out of bed everyday), but I am not thankful for it. There are many other ways I could have learned the things I learned. There’s a point when you just have to get out of a situation because it doesn’t benefit you in the slightest. That’s what happened here.
This is in contrast to many icky things I’ve not relished but clearly see the benefit of. Waiting tables, working at the mall, etc. were not my first choice ways of earning income in high school and college but I did use them to my advantage to get better jobs and to learn what I absolutely did not want to do in life.
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Re-reading this post on Labor Day, I feel very thankful that I am privileged enough not to have to work at shitty jobs. Not everyone has that choice.
Thanks, J.D., for the reminder.
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Oh no, I must have been reading this blog for way too long. I remember the last time this was posted! Still a very important story.
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Don’t worry.
Now, if you’d been reading this blog long enough to remember the *first* time it had been posted…
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You are very blessed if that was your worse.
I’m curious how to got out of this one though.
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Dang, J.D. you definitely had it rough after college. It’s amazing what the bad times can teach you though. Those experiences probably gave you many of the views that you disseminate on this site daily for the entertainment and education of your readers. Happy labor day.
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When I was growing up, and whined to my father about all the studying I was doing to get good grades, go to university, and get a degree in engineering, there was one thing he always countered with: “You’re doing this so you don’t have to stack shelves in Asda [Walmart]”
It worked. One summer holiday during my university years, I did work a till at Asda. I know what it was like. It wasn’t the worst job in the world. It wasn’t even the worst holiday job I ever did (that would be the rat-infested school uniform shop that cheated me out of minimum wage). But it was not what I wanted to do with my life.
I’m lucky to have had the chance to have a good education, and get a job that comfortably pays the bills, and that I (mostly) enjoy. Getting there took a lot of work. At any point, I could have jacked it in and taken that job at Asda. I’m glad I didn’t.
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What an awesome post J.D. I bought that policy by the way at my first job
An insurance salesman who had made contact with one of the other associates at the first firm I worked at would not stop until he nailed me down. Yup – a whole life policy for a single woman. Ah well. Nearly 20 years later the return is not so terrible- but still one of the dumb financial decisions I’ve made.
But back to your story of work and the way it shapes how we feel about ourselves. It will be 10 years on Oct. 1lth that I was laid off from my highest paying job. It was a month after the terrible day that needs no name. I was one of the highest paid associates at the firm due to my seniority and commercial real estate (my field) was headed to the crapper -actually noone really knew then what was going to happen. My life has changed in so many ways since then.. I am not making the same salary – in fact I make a quarter of what I made – but I help people every day (I am a housing counselor) and the rewards are good for my soul – if not for my wallet.
Anyway – thanks for the post.
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At one point soon after I left High School I considered a job in door to door sales. Specifically I had a chance to get in with a company that was selling Halon fire extinguishers to homes. I actually liked the product they were offering in some ways, but as I sat through the training I realised the company-mandated sales pitch revolved around building an image of the vict-er-customer’s family dying a horrible death in a fire, and how our product could save them.
I was completely revolted by the techniques they were telling the new batch of sales reps to use. If the only way they could sell their products was to effectively terrorize people into buying them (this was the late 1980s, when terrorize didn’t automatically mean a bomb or a plane flown into a building), I felt that it was something I wanted nothing to do with. That afternoon I told the instructor this as I was walking out. It cost me about $100 (since we had to buy some initial materials up front) but it helped me to decide to go into Computers rather than sales. At least I can sleep at night.
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Unfortunately, fire is terrifying. The number of people who are unprotected with any kind of fire extinguisher, smoke detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, and sprinkler systems is very high.
The number of people who die unnecessarily is tragic. In 2009, there were 156,200 fires resulting in 2,480 deaths and 12,600 injuries, with financial losses of $7,259,800,000.
There is nothing unethical about what you were doing, or what the company did.
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Something to consider is that any door to door sales job won’t be door to door forever. You usually work hard for the first few years as a SALESMAN but then you typically transition into a consultant where you are no longer knocking on doors, where your trusted clients refer others to your business and where you reap not only financial benefits, but huge amounts of freedom and independence. Hard work in the beginning for a lifestyle that you desire in the long run making what most only dream about.
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Okay, being a salesperson for a reputable company and working your way up is one thing, but selling crappy insurance (J.D.’s words) to people who don’t need it (little old ladies on fixed incomes)? One of the points of the story is that the company was unethical, and the guy he was working with sounds slimy.
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As someone who is in their 7th career, I understand your situation. I started out as a Sales Engineer for a A/C company. I sold and designed A/C systems on a commission basis. I found I did not like commission sales. Sometimes you have to try something to know if you will like it or not.
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Just quit a bad job recently.
The role was quite different from what I had done in the past and was stressing me out big time. In addition I did not see anything likely to change.
My boss noted that the next day while I was working my notice period I looked a lot more relaxed. I was.
The only caution I make is that a good emergency fund makes quitting a lot easier I have over 10’000 Euro so I have options and time. In three days time I am about to travel around Europe by rail.
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I remember reading this a couple years ago when you linked to it from another post. Having worked as an Ed Jones advisor in the past, I can relate all too well.
Knocking on doors all day and being asked to sell financial products I don’t believe are in the client’s best interests? Nope, don’t miss that.
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Could you please elaborate a litle more about what specifically the problem was when you worked as a financial advisor at edward jones? It would be greatly appreciated as I am currently considering it as a career. Thanks
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Hi Terry,
I would like to explain this if I may. You may or may not agree.
The last two sentences of his post define his answer.
Say if a young couple with little financial experience walk in off the street and ask you for you help. What financial product will you sell them. Better still, ask the advisor making 300 K what product would he/she put them in?
The right answer from your firm would be the one that makes them and you the most commissions, not the product that is right for the young couple.
If you would put each client that see’s you in a good, lowest cost fund that was right for them, you would not make the high salary you speak of in your earlier post. You would also probably be let go by the firm you work for as well eventually.
So you have a choice between being ethical, and becoming rich. Which will you choose? You can’t do both. Mike obviously felt torn there and decided to pick another career. I applaud him for that.
I’m sure there are good advisors out there but there are too many that are not. I would be glad to have an intelligent honest conversation with one that would prove me wrong.
Four years ago I felt it was time I planned for the future. I have read, studied, signed up for feeds from great websites like this to try to learn what my best path to wealth and a decent retirement would be. It won’t be with any of the mainstream investment firms out there.
People need to learn just some basic principles, have a little discipline and go it themselves.
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Terry, I mentioned the knocking on doors — and that was certainly no fun at all — but by far the bigger issue was that I just didn’t agree with everything Edward Jones wanted me to do.
For example, a big part of the business model, after meeting somebody at their door, is to call them up and pitch them an investment — a CD, an individual bond, or an individual stock most of the time.
Unfortunately, I don’t think individual stocks are a good idea for very many investors. A low-cost diversified stock mutual fund is a much better choice for most people. And the same thing goes with bonds — a low-cost bond mutual fund is usually a better choice.
And even if I didn’t have an issue with that, there’s the whole fact that I just met the person once (or possibly twice) and really don’t know much about them. How can I in good conscience suggest a specific investment if I have no idea what the rest of their finances look like?
In addition, there was a lot of encouragement to sell what I saw as very sub-par mutual funds. Because Edward Jones has a list of “preferred fund families,” you’re strongly encouraged to stick to those companies. Unfortunately, some of them have absurdly high costs and really just aren’t very good.
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I just remembered one more thing. (It’s been some years since I worked there.)
When you’re new, you go to St Louis for a few different training classes. During the training class in which they teach you to make over-the-phone pitches, they have experienced FAs listening in on the calls so they can give you tips afterward. Suffice to say, I was not very comfortable calling somebody to talk about their personal finances while there was a third party on the line and they didn’t even know it.
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I’m going in to work at Walmart today to put in my two weeks notice. I don’t have a new job lined up, but I need to get out of this soul sucking job. I’ve been complacent for a year, and it’s time to shake things up. This was timely, so thank you!
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I used to work as an engineer at a mine. Every summer we got a crop of summer college student workers (mostly kids of people who worked at the mine). It was an unwritten rule to give them the worst, dirtiest jobs (not unsafe, but grimy) to make sure that they would go back to college at the end of summer.
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This story was such a struggle. I’ve never wanted to put myself in that position. I knew early on that commission sales just aren’t for me. I’m not a pushy person, and I question the ethics of many companies like that. Requiring you to get a place nearby when you’re never there? Ridiculous. I don’t know what brought you to quit, but thank God you did. But it’s good to see that someone like you went through this, because look where you are now. It gives me hope that even your darkest, hardest moments are temporary.
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“Hi. I’m J.D., and I believe this will interest you also.”
No one was buying any insurance because they were too busy trying to figure out what “also” could possibly be referring to in the first sentence you’ve ever said to them.
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As a grammar nazi, you can bet I pounced on this first thing in training. “What do you mean by ‘also’?” I asked. I was told that it was intentionally vague so that the person would keep listening. In reality, the “also” referred to the list of folks in the area who had already been sold an insurance policy. Yet another reason I wasn’t effective…every time I said the sentence, I was wincing at the lack of an antecedent.
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I had the same thoughts when I read this! First, “also… what?” reading as me, and then “also… are other people doing things? Have I done things? Is this something I ordered?” reading it as a potential client. I can see how it could work!
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I couldn’t imagine trying to sell something I didn’t believe in! That must of been hard to do.
I am not a very good salesman either, but I’m doing whatever it takes to be the best salesman at my work. It seems like I get better with practice each day of work, and it makes me look forward to my day! I definitely love my job.
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What a rough story. I think some of you are being awfully hard on someone who was a kid at the time. When I was in-between high school and college, we had a recession going, and believe me, one gets VERY desperate for work in times like those (and now). I once spent 4 days getting people to sign some stupid petition, after which I was supposed to get paid on the 5th day, and of course did not. It was beyond awful.
it is amazing how many con artists there are out there, waiting to bully young employees and would-be customers alike.
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Seems like perfect training to become a financial advisor. Same seedy training and you work for a larger company that forces you to sell their products. Then you both receive commissions until the client either gets smart or dies. Kudos to the poster above going through the Edward jones process. If he’s good he will retire early on the backs of those who sign up with him.
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I think with that sort of thing you just need to have it in your blood.
A while back I helped a guy who was an auctioneer. Just for a day he needed my vehicle to haul stuff from an auction site. When we were leaving he asked me if I wanted to go and watch them auction off a home. Basically someone passed away and her relatives out of state paid his friend’s company to do the sale.
When we got there they were already under way. Even though he was working he was able to bid on, and won, several paintings for $1 each. Later he was able to sell them for $15 a piece. He told me that it was so hot and humid he knew that people would be less likely to bid. It’s always the small details (like the weather) that go unnoticed.
After they were finished we went inside the home to finalize all the sales. It didn’t seem too bad but he told me some of the homes he had to go into were so run down he had to wear safety gear, ie masks, just to pick out what was good enough to sell.
The insurance story just reminded me so much of helping that guy. Not saying he was as slimy. He just reminded me a lot of the main character in Death of a Salesman.
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I assume that this story took place years ago. I can’t imagine that anyone these days would have to endure a job that requires door to door cold calling. In many communities it is downright illegal. I would NEVER buy anything from a door to door salesman. In fact, I would think it was creepy. Avoid any high=pressure, cold calling type of sales positions. Those will go the way of the dinosaur before too long. People simply have too many options and that barriers to cold calling are getting stronger everyday: voicemail that is never returned, caller ID, etc.
Great article.
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This story left me wondering what the poor decisions were that you made in college that left you without a prospect for a job. I read the comments here and also the previous posting of this article and didn’t see an answer there either. If you don’t mind sharing, it seems like it would be useful to know what the poor choices were and what you feel would have been better choices.
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The part about the job making you feel dirty struck a cord with me. I was unemployed for about 2 months last fall. Before I got my current job (minimum wage at Walmart), I was offered a rather well paying job with full benefits and monthly performance bonus. I thought, when I was offered that it seemed great, but then I researched what it was I would be doing. I knew it was cold-calling people to sell them something, but what I didn’t know is that I would be selling them on political candidates. Particularly right-wing, neo-con candidates who chose this company to represent them because of the company’s lax views on separation of church and state. At the end of the day, I couldn’t do it. Not that I couldn’t sell it, I could, but I would hate myself for it. I knew I would convince a lot of people to vote for candidates that I, myself, wouldn’t vote for, and every day I would go to work feeling that I sold my soul to the devil. So I held off, and instead I’m working for minimum wage with no benefits, but I do have a clean conscience.
NOTE: I know many will disagree with my political choices, but that’s not really the point. Read the story with the political views flipped and you might get it better.
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I agree that we don’t know what a job is really like until we actually work there. Some of us are still in jobs that are not ideal, but we need the money. Or the benefits.
My mother worked a job that gave her headaches everyday and she ended up getting black eyes from the fights. She was a corrections officer. She worked there to feed her family and pay the bills.
My job in retail doesn’t pay much but it has decent benefits. I have a boss that is nasty and has made all of the women there cry at least once due to his condescending words. The turnover there is incredible but I stay as my job search has not lead anything better.
Finding a job that fits your needs and is one that you enjoy working at is a real pleasure. I wish everyone could have that dream job!!
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This comment about a bad boss is so true.
My very worst jobs have been mostly because of lunatic bosses who loved power and abuse equally.
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Our company VP had his son intern in the accounting department one summer, and I thought he was preparing for a bright future in my chosen field. The day he left I asked him to tell me the most important thing he had learned. He said “That I never want to be an accountant.” His dad was warning him what might happen to him if he didn’t stay in engineering school.
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This is a great story and you did a great job of story-telling. For me it’s a great story because it brings back memories of crappy jobs I have had and how I handled them. It also makes me thing about mistakes I made with good jobs.
But I think there is a HUGE component of this story that was not discussed. I consider you lucky to have this experience at a young age. I think this experience helped define you as a person and helped you become a success later in life.
My story is a bit different, but it impacted me in similar way. I worked for tech company right out of college, I was instantly successful and was worth over $1MM, “on-paper”. I barely cashed my bonus checks and had no budgeting or financial planning strategy. I thought the money would never end and that I was set for life. I just needed to enjoy…
I was totally wrong. Lucky for me I did not take on a lot of debt, but for the next 3 years I completely floundered. I learned life was not easy and successful careers and businesses were not handed out with college degrees. It was one of the hardest lessons I ever learned and I would not trade it for the world. I don’t even think about the $1mm in stock options that ended up worthless and I don’t blame anyone for my struggle to recover. I consider it a gift.
The lesson was priceless and I think your story is just like that, you learned something so valuable. Without it you would not have created Get Rich Slowly.
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Great story, but what is the conclusion? I see how you got to the moral, but I’m curious about how much longer you put up with that job and what you did after that? How did you turn it around?
Thank you for sharing.
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This story is a clif hanger. I have to ask – was the fiancee you broke up with Kris?
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Yes, the fiancee I broke up with was Kris. And believe me: She doesn’t let me forget it!
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Insurance is a tough gig. I tried selling Aflac during my own darkest years. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
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I agree with some of the posters about the value of a shitty job experience. Fifteen years ago I had a shitty job for 12 soul-destroying months. I looked for other work for many months with no luck. Finally I just couldn’t take it anymore and quit. Money was very tight, but I felt like I’d lost 100 pounds. It took me several months to recover to where I could think about a long-term job again (because to look for work you have to be able to sell yourself, and the shitty job had killed my self-confidence).
But here’s the benefit of this job — every time I’ve hit a rough patch in subsequent jobs, I always look back at the shitty job and remember what rough really was. It always helps put the current situation in keen perspective!
P.S. I agree with the moral of the story (that you never have to put up with a shitty job), but I think there are more morals than one to this story!
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I think you have the wrong moral to this story.
The moral shouldn’t be “don’t put up with a shitty job.” Sometimes you HAVE to put up with a shitty job – even if it’s only a stepping stone to something else – because it’s the only way you can survive (or support a family).
The moral SHOULD be, “never put up with a job that requires you to compromise your morals or self-esteem.” That seems to be the big problem here. Presumably if you were selling something door-to-door that you truly believed was valuable to people – and if the company was a worthwhile company – you wouldn’t have had the issues you did.
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Ditto about the morals and self esteem. Crappy jobs, unless it is physically dangerous, won’t affect you and your job prospects in the future, but having a job that erodes your self esteem (because of abusive bosses) or makes you compromise your morals can prevent you from getting to where you want to go.
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your story reminds me of my first job, few years back, it was right after my college graduation, so idealistic, until reality introduces itself, will never have a million dollars before 35, anyways I just said the first job is not your last or will not be the one that will retire you, but the experience will help you to be more mature and focus not just in the career but also in life, apologize if ii am being too cheesey
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@ jigo
“apologize if ii am being too cheesey”
You’re not being too cheesy, but at least an attempt at proper use of punctuation and capitalization would make your comment much more readable. We all make errors, but please at least try!
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Have you possibly considered that English isn’t his first language, and that he *is* trying?
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Well this certainly makes me feel better about the dishwashing job I had for a few months after finishing my Master’s. Sure I spent some of the time thinking glumly about how I’d spent six years in university so I could scrub melted cheese off of plates, but no matter how grubby I got (dishwashing is dirty work) I never felt dirty.
A little hard work never hurt anyone.
And it kept me solvent until I got a job in my field.
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I can relate.
Two of my earliest jobs were direct sales. First telemarketing, then “referral based” marketing, which is like door-to-door except you’re supposed to guilt-trip your friends and family instead of cold-calling strangers. I actually LOST money at that job, having to shell out for public transit to the unpaid training sessions and having to buy their demonstration kit. I never broke even.
One day they told me I was “lucky” enough to be able to attend a weekend convention in New Jersey, all expenses on me. I, too, called my dad in a fit of dejection. He didn’t want me to quit without having another job lined up, but he agreed it was a bad idea to put any more of my own money into a job that wasn’t paying out.
I quit that day. I just couldn’t do it. I couldn’t help but see myself as a scam artist (and also a victim of scam) and hated myself because of it.
Self-loathing doesn’t make for a very compelling salesperson, I agree.
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@ Terry (comment #5) – I have a 401(K) with Edward Jones. Not ever having worked for them, I really cannot comment intelligently on their training practices. What can comment on is the 2 different Edward Jones agents I’ve had. The first one is the one with whom I opened the account. He is also my parents’ financial manager / advisor, and managed my grandmother’s accounts after she moved to be closer to my mom. He is very, VERY low-key, no-pressure, and that is the reason I finally decided to open the account at all, let alone with him. (Normally, I would not just do whatever my parents do, that sort of idea brings out my worst, most rebellious qualities as a default). I loathe Loathe LOATHE high pressure sales, and having once had a high pressure sales job (I lasted a month, including training), I can smell it coming a mile away. The first thing this guy did was to have my (new at the time) husband and I fill out a financial goals questionnaire and talk about it together, and then with him. He made some broad suggestions, asked and answered a LOT of questions (some of his questions really got us thinking), and spent a lot of time just listening, not pushing. I’m not saying he absolutely did not make ANY effort to sell us something, but it was low key, his suggestions actually made a lot of sense for OUR situation, and we knew perfectly well going in that of course he would try to sell us something – he doesn’t make money unless we buy! But the big things were – we came to him, we felt free to leave at any time without making a commitment, he actually helped us think through what we REALLY wanted as a couple, and different ways we could get there.
We moved to a different state – one he did have cert in, and had to find a new account manager / advisor. This new guy may be perfectly smart, but he comes off like an idiot. He waits for us to tell him what to do. He doesn’t ask good questions, doesn’t try to tailor anything to us, and his “advice” could be gleaned from a 1 hour internet search by a total financial neophyte. It’s like he’s asleep at the wheel. Ugh.
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I think that was probably a great first job for you JD, though you did make it harder on yourself with the new new new stuff and the breakup. You learned empathy and that some things are not worth it for a few bucks.
To counter an earlier comment, there is still plenty of door to door work in the U.S., not to mention all the telemarketing. My S-I-L had a vaccuum cleaner salesperson attempt to sell her a $1200 vaccuum a few weeks ago! Then they went to her friend’s house in a neighborhood with smaller homes and tried to sell the same thing for $900! I did cutco in high school and while it wasn’t exactly door-to-door, it was direct selling of expensive stuff and was not for me. Luckily it is a good product because I sold to all friends and family (that is their scheme) and many friends parents when I visit still bring it up 10 years later! (luckily, they say they still use it and love it, but I had no idea at the time I was selling!)
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There may still be ‘plenty’ of door-to-door work out there, but those jobs are not being filled by talented sales people with options. They aer being filled by desperate people who have to put up with 99 rejections for every 1 potential customer. Plus, that field is slowly but surely being eliminated. Many neighborhoods and businesses have ‘no soliticiation’ signs and there is also the ‘do not call’ list for telemarketing. Technology is destroying the door-to-door and telemarketing fields. Consumers can get information online and do not need to be inconvenienced by pushy sales people. It may be different for all of you, but me and my friends, NEVER take cold calls.
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Sometimes, the worst jobs can be the best catalysts.
I’ve had crappy jobs, and decided to leave my last crappy job to do something different–not just a new job doing something similar, but something substantially different. So, in January 2007, I left my crappy day job for a job with more flexibility, and started my own business (consulting) at the same time.
Over the next year, I grew my business into my full-time endeavor, and I’ve QUADRUPLED my income, while having more flexibility.
So, don’t let disappointment, frustration, or fear keep you down–you can actually use those negative emotions to push you to change your situation. You can read more about my journey and how to start your own business on the cheap (consulting or otherwise) on my blog (http://www.StartMyConsultingBusiness.com).
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I, too, took a job selling insurance upon graduating from college. I had not done any internships, choosing to take retail and bank teller jobs during college (my dad passed away while I was still a student, and I needed to make money), not realizing that my short-term need to earn money could potentially derail my long-term career.
I lasted 5 months, and was ready to quit by the third month. There was a recession going on, and the market I had been given was more concerned about putting food on the table than paying for a policy in case they should pass away. They were young and healthy with young children. Gonna live for a while longer, thank you, as long as I can put that $100 into food instead of a life insurance policy.
I started sleeping in a little more every morning, delaying the inevitable as long as possible. By my fifth month, I was completely miserable and always tired.
The shocker came when I was well into my record-breaking 250 cold calls per day. I got a woman on the phone and immediately launched into the script, trying to convince her to set an appointment. “No, thank you,” she kept saying. I kept at it, trying to overcome the obstacle. Finally, she blurted out, “I’m sorry, but my brother just died and I have other things to worry about right now.”
After a moment of silence, I said, “I’m very sorry to have intruded, and I won’t bother you again. Please accept my condolences.” I quit that day.
My lesson? When you can no longer stand to wake up in the morning to go to your job, it’s time to find a new one.
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I had one of these cold-calling jobs, and hated every moment of it. We were randomly calling people and asking them to set up appointments to buy new double-paned windows for their homes. That might not be so bad, but we had to stick to a script that was several pages long. So that even if they did say yes to the appointment, we still had 2 pages of disclaimers to read word for word to them. Often they’d get so sick of our spiel that they’d hang up or start yelling. I couldn’t blame them. I started having nightmares about the job 2 days in. Quit on day 3.
They also conned a bunch of us into thinking it was “unlimited earning potential”. They always have someone at these jobs who supposedly makes triple digit incomes and can be an example for us all. What a joke.
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