Employee or entrepreneur? The pros and cons of self-employment

In my recent review of Pam Slim’s Escape from Cubicle Nation, Chett left the following comment:

I was talking with a good friend last week who is self-employed. I told him I envied his entrepreneurial spirit and the ability to “go it alone.” He told me he envied my work as a teacher and the set hours and guaranteed pay check and insurance. (I told him there was nothing “set” about the hours, so I guess we both misunderstood each others work.)

So many people dream of working for themselves and only find out the true benefits and heartaches after they make the leap. Take you for instance, what do you miss the most from the box factory in terms of security, or interaction? What bothered, (or motivated) you the most to drive you to self-employment and what have you learned about your decision over the past year and a half?

In the same thread, Caitlin wrote:

Every time I real an article like this I wonder if I’m really that unusual because I love my job. I’m a molecular biologist, and it’s just not something I could do on my own…I’ve had a small side business for over 5 years. In that time, interesting and educational though it was, I’ve learned that I don’t particularly want to run a business.

I am not one who believes that everyone should be an entrepreneur. I think there’s a sort of continuum: Some folks should absolutely work for somebody else, others should definitely work for themselves, and many should do a little of both.

Although I tend toward entrepreneurial endeavors, I don’t consider myself a die-hard entrepreneur. The best job I ever had was actually flipping burgers at McDonald’s when I was in high school. I’m not kidding. I loved that job. My fellow employees were smart and fun. Together, we made serving burgers and fries a game; we tried to do the best job we could. Our manager was great, and she fostered this attitude instead of stifling it with bureaucracy.

Since then, I’ve had jobs I loved and jobs I hated, and many that just paid the bills. I’ve also tried self-employment twice: once as a computer consultant, and now as a professional blogger.

Here are my responses to Chett’s specific questions:

What Do I Miss From the Box Factory?

I miss daily interaction with my family. My father began the business almost 25 years ago, and since then there have always been several family members involved with the daily operations. I also miss talking with my customers. As much as I disliked the actual sales portion of my job, I genuinely liked many of the customers I dealt with. I find myself wondering how Robert is doing, and whether Lance finished building his house.

There is almost no social aspect to the life of a professional blogger; I sit here alone in my office typing all day. While this is intellectually challenging, I miss seeing people and being a small part of their lives. This is one reason I’ve struggled with my restaurant spending over the past year. I often go out to lunch simply to be near other people. It’s also one reason I rented office space.

Note: Trent and I both discussed this loneliness on last Monday’s episode of The Personal Finance Hour. How bad does this loneliness get? Very bad. It’s Thursday afternoon as I write this. A couple of hours ago, I had a near panic attack from the loneliness. No joke. To cope, I came down to the coffee shop for a couple of hours.

What Motivated Me to Self-Employment?

There were a couple of things. First, I did not like my work at the box factory. I did not like sales. I wasn’t good at it, it didn’t interest me, and I found it frustrating.

Meanwhile, I wanted to write. I’ve always wanted to be a writer; I just never knew how to make money from this desire. When I stumbled into personal finance blogging, I was startled to learn I could make an income from it. It seemed natural to make the leap to professional blogger once that income sustained at a level that could support me.

What Have I Learned About My Decision Over the Last Year-and-a-Half?

There’s a difference between blogging as a hobby and blogging as a job. When you’re blogging as a hobby and the income is “extra” income, the process is fun. It’s a lark. But when you throw the switch and it becomes your sole means of making a living, some of that fun vanishes.

I still love what I do — no question — but sometimes I feel as if I’ve lost the spontaneity I used to have. That’s one reason I’m hoping to reduce my workload around here a little. I’d like to pursue other projects: write a book, dabble with other blogs, possibly promote financial literacy education.

There’s a lot of pressure when you are required to generate your own income. Sure, there’s pressure when you work for somebody else, too, but there’s also a sense of freedom. You’re not responsible for the daily decisions. And if you don’t like the job, you can leave. Plus, the actual source of income is not your responsibility.

I often think that working for somebody else is like renting an apartment; working for yourself is like owning your home. Both have their rewards, but they each have drawbacks, too.

Conclusion

As Caitlin mentions, not everyone is cut out to run a business. It just doesn’t interest them. My wife is a perfect example. Kris loves her job. It’s challenging and fulfilling, and she enjoys the interaction with her co-workers. She has no desire to strike out on her own.

As always, I think it’s important to do what works for you.

Trivia: According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, on average, self-employed people make more than those who work for others [PDF]. But there’s a wider variance in incomes among the self-employed. Also, earnings for the self-employed are lower at first, but tend to grow more quickly until they surpass that of traditional workers.

Now I’d love to hear from you. Have you ever been self-employed? Did you love it, or did you hate it? What prompted you to pursue entrepreneurship? What do you envy about those who work for somebody else? Or, if you work for somebody else, are you content with where you are, or do you envy about the self-employed? What is it that keeps you doing what you’re doing?

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There are 114 comments to "Employee or entrepreneur? The pros and cons of self-employment".

  1. Travis says 10 July 2009 at 05:24

    Interesting look at the pros and cons of working for yourself.

    My father started his own business when I was seven. I barely saw him after that, as he put all his time into making the business work. He finally closed the business when I was 25. It was a long 18 years for the family. Let me have someone else worry about all the issues of business, I want to have some time for enjoyment in this life.

  2. Van says 10 July 2009 at 05:30

    I’m an employee (writer) working to be an entrepreneur (freelance writing, web design, photography, art). I took the first steps by taking freelance jobs, volunteering for nonprofits, and selling art at a local art market. It takes discipline. I sleep three hours a night most of the time, and the investments haven’t paid off yet. I know being an entrepreneur is completely exhausting, but I feel like it will be worth it to get paid to work on projects I love.

  3. PB says 10 July 2009 at 05:40

    I’ve done both. What I learned when I was independent for ten years was that to be successful, one has to be very well-rounded. The primary work needs to be done, but so does purchasing, accounting, contracting, benefits, etc.

    I finally realized that I’m not well-rounded. I’m a focused specialist. I now work for the man and do just what I love all day everyday. Then I go home.

    Great learning experience though — everyone should try both.

  4. Charles Hughes says 10 July 2009 at 05:54

    Interesting Post. I struggle with the isolation issue issue all the time. And there are times I miss the regular paycheck, but wouldn’t trade the illusion of freedom I have for anything.
    Here are two blog posting I have written on self employment as an artist..one is about isolation.

    http://hughespottery.blogspot.com/2009/06/morning-coffee-and-isolation.html

    http://hughespottery.multiply.com/journal/item/889/Making_a_living

  5. Jason says 10 July 2009 at 05:59

    Great article. There’s definitely a spirit of entrepreneurship in a lot of the personal finance blogs that I read, but it’s refreshing to see a perspective that includes some of the negative factors that come into play with doing so.

    I am employed at a privately held software company. The management is very progressive, the company culture is great, the business is debt-free and I (and others) receive regular bonus checks from profit sharing. The company has been consistently profitable since inception and has no plans or need to ever go public, so we completely control our own destiny. I’ve been here nine years, and sometime last year, my cumulative profit sharing bonuses equaled my salary, so it’s like I’ve been paid for ten years in nine.

    Also, I was able to get a Master’s degree using the company’s standard tuition reimbursement benefit. I had to fill out a form, get some signatures and make sure I got a B or better in class, and it was covered. This quite literally saved me $15K I would have needed to pay otherwise. I’m considering going back for another Master’s degree in a year or two — why not, it’s essentially free money on the table.

    I’m also blessed in that the company believes strongly in goal-setting and career development. Right now I’m working on a plan to transition to a different role in a different department. I get the training I need to do so, in addition to lots of support from the department I’m trying to join, as well as a set of goals to meet to make the transition a success.

    Also, working for a company I don’t need to deal with things like taxes, benefits, software licensing, computer troubleshooting and a thousand other things that I probably never know are essential for running a business day to day. Also I work probably about 45 hours a week. Night or weekend work is extremely rare, and I have at this point over a month of paid vacation a year. There’s no asinine sick time policy (PTO), either — if you are sick, you stay home and get well, and it doesn’t come out of your vacation time.

    All that said, it’s not perfect. The company’s work from home policy is silly. There are politics and unhelpful people to deal with. The way some things work are downright bizzare. I could get fired or laid off. I have been reorganized into another department once and then reorganized into a group that made no sense. When I started, there were 400 employees, now there are over 2000, so there’s a lot of bureaucracy that has grown up, and some things take forever to accomplish. Also, I would love to move to somewhere warmer, but that’s not really an option because headquarters is most certainly not going to relocate anytime soon.

    But for now, I’m happy to stay employed and mentally engaged here. I might be interested in doing side work, but that would be more to earn a little extra cash and not so much to strike out on my own.

  6. ObliviousInvestor says 10 July 2009 at 06:00

    I’m self-employed for now (also as a work-at-home writer).

    I absolutely love it.

    That said, I definitely know what you mean about the loneliness. I’ve found that interacting with other bloggers helps that to some extent. But face to face interaction can’t be replaced with online text.

  7. Les says 10 July 2009 at 06:11

    I am now just retiring after 30+ years of self-employment in graphic design, publishing, photography, film and video. In the early 70s I left a management position at a prestigious academic press, and more recently I spent 3 years with a government contractor. In contrast to these positions, above all else, I appreciated the ability to control the ethics and morality of my business. My wife assisted from time to time, but I did not hire employees. We retire without great wealth, but we have savings and investments, two homes, cars and a motorhome, with zero debt. And we spent 7 years travelling across the US (not as part of work, but adapting the work to fit the wanderlust). My advice for a service business entrepreneur is to create some product of your own because it keeps earning even if you must stop working for awhile. The biggest mistake I have seen among fellow entrepreneurs is the lack of a realistic exit plan. Make one from the beginning (it can always be modified).

  8. oersawv says 10 July 2009 at 06:18

    “I often think that working for somebody else is like renting an apartment; working for yourself is like owning your home. Both have their rewards, but they each have drawbacks, too.”

    Nice analogy. Will use. Thx.

  9. Wesley says 10 July 2009 at 06:20

    I’m self-employed, working as a software developer, and I certainly echo your issues with loneliness and fatigue when it comes to sales.

    I’ve been on my own for about 3 years. The first year and a half was great. I tripled my old salary and had more work than I could handle. Now that the economic climate has changed, so have my clients’ budgets, and thereby my income.

    I plan to tough it out, to see what the future holds. My wife and I have made some decent financial decisions (a big thanks to GRS for help with that!), and being debt-free certainly buys me some time to experiment with fewer repercussions.

    I’m keeping an eye out for both tech innovations and economic opportunities. A big issue for me that brushes on loneliness, is a lack of examples/mentors to follow. No one in my family has ever started a business, and it’s difficult to discuss issues with my friends when they work for large corporations and rarely face similar issues.

  10. Miller says 10 July 2009 at 06:23

    I had a software business. I was making more than twice what I do working for someone else, doing the same work.

    I relied on someone else to do the accounting. Though I instructed them to put 25% of all income into an account for taxes, they did not.

    When 9/11 happened, the financial destruction that followed destroyed my business. That poor accounting is still affecting me due to the extreme amount of taxes i am paying off in the aftermath.

    I loved the money, the freedom, and the prestige of being my own boss, and I will pursue it again, some day.

  11. Redeeming Riches says 10 July 2009 at 06:25

    I am currently a self employed financial advisor. There are many great advantages like freedom and creating your own schedule etc, however there are also a host of stresses that many people don’t realize.

    I have to wear many different “hats”. I am not only the financial advisor but I am the marketing guy, CEO, & manager. It is sometimes hard to juggle all of them. When I am on vacation, I still have to worry about things getting done.

  12. Hogan says 10 July 2009 at 06:29

    I have a part-time job and several of my own businesses, all of them small and very different from one another, so I have a lot of variety. This works incredibly well for me. Working only at home alone was excrutiatingly lonely, and working only at a company was exhausting and boring.

    Working this way has given me enough control over my time to allow me to improve my health, save money, THINK, and appreciate my work colleagues as well as my private clients. I am grateful to my boss for having to shoulder all the responsibility for running his organization, and I am not paralyzed by fear by the downturn in the economy…if I get laid off, there’s just another twenty hours I can use to further my businesses and my ambitions.

    Thank you for a great post. I have said as much to my students, in that full time self-employment, while challenging and often more lucrative, does not give them the benefits of being part of a large organization and learning what one can from that experience. Being a “company man” or “company woman” can be a great, interactive, years-long lesson in dealing with people and understanding human nature.

  13. Colleen in MA says 10 July 2009 at 06:36

    I work full time in graphic design and have started a freelance business on the side from contacts I’ve made in the business. I love the stability of being an employee and interacting and learning from my coworkers, yet know that I can make more money doing freelance. So next year I plan to ask my employer if I can switch to part time and then use my other hours to devote to the freelance business.

    A big factor in this decision has been health insurance. I got married last year and am now under my husband’s health insurance. If this hadn’t happened, freelancing would not be an option for me.

    If I went self-employed full time, the loneliness would get to me too. The days that I’ve worked all day on freelance I’ve brought it to a coffee shop for part of the day to be able to get out and interact. JD – perhaps the restaurant/coffee shop cost is something you can build into your business, kind of like a mental-health investment? Too bad it’s not tax deductible!

  14. Chett says 10 July 2009 at 06:46

    JD,

    Thank you for addressing the question I asked. When I wrote the question last week I had been wondering, if your transition from blogging on the side to full time work as a blogger and entrepreneur was as glamorous as it sounds to the general public. Nearly everywhere you look working at home, and working as little as possible is glamorized and sold as if you’re not on that track you’re a fool.

    I have never worked for myself full time. My website and the knowledge that I have gained in construction and home improvement have been my only source of income that I have generated “on my own.” I like the creativity and sense of ownership in the work I do for myself, but I need security in income and employment, so I don’t know if I could ever make the leap to being self-employed. Like you though, the more time I spend on my hobbies that I enjoy, the more they feel like actual work and some of the new car smell wares off.

    I enjoy teaching, and know that there are some opportunities that may present themselves in the future that I will enjoy even more. Still though, like many people, I tend to reflect on the jobs that I have done in the past, wishing I could pull what I liked about each one of them, then blend those work experiences together for the “perfect career,” regardless of weather I’m working for myself, or someone else.

    Something tells me the “perfect career” is an illusion and simply increasing my overall contentment and self-awareness will lead to all the satisfaction I really need.

  15. Jared says 10 July 2009 at 06:48

    I owned a snow cone stand and t-shirt business at one point. I now work as engineer and miss the freedom and pure fun of my businesses. I’d like to get my hand back into it.

    I understand the loneliness thing. When I was in engineering school I would be in the lab by myself for 40 hours a week. I often went to coffee shops to study just so I could talk to the baristas.

  16. Someone says 10 July 2009 at 06:49
    I’ve done both (currently self-employed) and I just want to comment that most discussions of this question tend to oversimplify and dichotomize.

    There are a host of pros and cons that each of us has to weigh and it is, as you imply, often much to do with personality and preference, but as the molecular biologist points out for example, not all endeavors have practical paths for loners.

    Also, in this country there’s a definite prejudice toward “entrepreneurs.” The phrases “not cut out for” and such always imply that you’re simply a lesser being if you’re not a proprietor, that if you’re not on your own you haven’t the aptitude or ability for it. That may not be the case at all – and economic forces beyond our control may increase the risks of entrepreneurship in some industries to make them impractical. In some climates it makes more or less sense to take on more or less risk, and ANY kind of work carries some type of risk with it now.

    Finally…saying that some people “should work for somebody else” puts emphasis where it doesn’t belong. People don’t work for someone else in order to work for someone else. You note that there’s a lower burden of responsibility in being an employee and that’s the real point – not that there’s anything wrong with that. If someone wants to be the best at their specialty without having to learn a whole industry from top to bottom and handle everything themselves (delegated or not), and if such a situation meets their personal goals, there’s nothing wrong with that. Being a member of a team where everyone in the company is collaborating for their common good is a fine thing.

    (There is no question that many, many companies have been a nightmare of anomie, uncreativity, and nothing but abusive prisons for faceless numbered peons…but it doesn’t have to be that way.)

  17. Bre says 10 July 2009 at 06:56

    I’m with Hogan – I’m the type of person who needs variety, but I’ve learned over the past few years that I really value stability and human interaction as well. Being fully self-employed would cause me more anxiety than exhilaration, but I do crave flexibility. So, a combination of part-time work for someone else (steady income, less responsibility in terms of keeping the business afloat) and a side business of my own would be ideal. Now, to make that happen… 🙂

  18. Dathan in AL says 10 July 2009 at 06:57

    JD,
    Thanks for always being so honest with your day-to-day emotions!! That’s very hard to do so publicly (and rare), but I guarantee you people won’t forget what you write because of it. It really does help!

  19. Tyler says 10 July 2009 at 07:04

    I’m in an interesting place at work now where I am pretty good at what I do and I really like my co-workers, but I don’t particularly care for the work itself. Like you mentioned with your sales gig,I don’t find it interesting and am regularly frustrated by it.

    Interestingly enough, I love doing all the little administrative tasks that come with running your own business. It might actually be my favorite part, as funny as that might sound. It provides a lot of variety in the breadth of tasks that you’re exposed to and keeps things interesting. Working for a large firm, I’m more of just a cog in the system hired to do 1 job and do it very well.

    In high school, I lived in a small town and ran a little hay bailing operation with a few friends during the summer. My favorite part of that job was talking to farmers and working out deals.

    In college(and I’m a bit embarrassed to admit this, I ran a small scale ticket resale (read: scalping) gig. I loved the thrill that came with the high risk and high rewards of each purchase and sale. In the end though, I didn’t feel like I was providing much value to my customers, so I quit doing that.

    Now, like yourself, I blog a little on the side about something I’m passionate about. I don’t make any money yet, and even if I never do, it’ll will still be a good career development activity as my content is fairly applicable to the industry I’m in.

    So I guess I would say that I fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, not happy with just being a cog in the system, but not displeased enough to make the leap to full-time entrepreneurship. It can certainly make for some long days and weekends coming home from work and working on the blog, but it’s fulfilling and it affords me a stable paycheck for the time being.

    I think anyone with a little motivation can find the time to dabble with a side business. Not everyone is fit for a full-time self run gig. A little something to keep your ticker tickin’ outside of the day job can be just what the doctor ordered.

  20. JKC says 10 July 2009 at 07:16

    JD,

    Schedule lunch dates!

    I have been self employed and largely working from home for the past four years – after leaving a more traditional ’employee-type’ relationship where I had co-workers and health insurance.

    I do often go stir-crazy from the tedium of working alone. But if I schedule lunch dates with friends, or former co-workers, or clients – I get the social interaction I need during the day.

    Even if I don’t do it every day, just seeing the dates on my calendar – for tomorrow or later in the week – helps me keep on track during my workday.

    Also, NEVER eat at your desk when you work by yourself. Go out! On a nice day, take a walk or take your sandwich to the park.

    Invite one or two of your local GRS readers to lunch. If you do this, it is a Legitimate tax deduction (I think). Everyone has a story to tell, and it is fun to listen to your fans.

    Yes, a writers life can be lonely, and us introverts need to work hard to plan social outings, but you have to ‘just do it’. Once the plans are made, you will have something fun to look forward to.

    All the best,

    JKC

  21. April Dykman says 10 July 2009 at 07:17

    “Have you ever been self-employed? Did you love it, or did you hate it?”

    I was self-employed for a year, and I liked being self-employed, but I was in the wrong line of work (sales). I wanted out of my last office job so badly that I didn’t do the soul-searching required to figure out what would pay the bills AND would be a good fit for my personality and strengths.

    “What prompted you to pursue entrepreneurship?”

    I hated my job. And I thought that I’d hate any other job, too. I simply am not programmed to deal with bureaucracy and office politics, and I’ve found that no matter how much you try to avoid these things and just focus on doing a good job, they will affect you anyway. Maybe worse than if you were playing the game. I need authenticity and logic in my life. NEED it. I feel that life in a cube goes against the very core of my being.

    “What do you envy about those who work for somebody else?”

    Nothing, unless they have a work-from-home situation where they rarely had to go into the office, if ever, and still have the benefits and steady pay. That would be the only employee situation I’d envy.

    “Or, if you work for somebody else, are you content with where you are, or do you envy about the self-employed? What is it that keeps you doing what you’re doing?”

    I envy the self-employed. I’m working toward that goal myself. The thing that keeps me here is a paycheck, plain and simple. I know loneliness might be a drawback, and I’m not saying I won’t feel that, but as it is, I sort of keep to myself even now, in an office (I know it sounds awful, but I’ve been burned by people I like and who like me, so then who CAN you trust?). I’ve always been okay with being alone. In fact, I can be a real hermit sometimes, so I also want to teach yoga as a side business, and that should provide some interaction.

  22. Meoip says 10 July 2009 at 07:19

    I’ve been effectively self employed for 18 months. By that I mean I’ve been working as a bookkeeper for a small business (with 3 locations), I have the stress of being on the constant verge of not getting paid and the duties of a beyond full time job. I’m basically in charge of making sure other people work so I get my income. I’ve decided for the level of stress and work I put in I’m not getting enough out so I’m going out on my own in a few weeks.

  23. Lorraine says 10 July 2009 at 07:22

    Years ago, I had a mutual parting of ways with my employer, a not-for-profit counseling center. I took my clients and started a private practice, which was wonderful for 5 years and agony for the next 5. It was the isolation that got me, especially after I moved the office into my home. Also the administrative details. I began to feel like my world was growing smaller and smaller, closing in around me. So on a whim, I took a job as a dialysis social worker and I’ve loved so many things about it, especially the wonderful diverse people I’ve met, the activity level, a steady paycheck, benefits, the meaning I derived from helping others, the challenges. Now, as the job becomes more about paperwork and insurance and government regulations, and less about being with patients and staff, this extrovert is feeling a bit stifled again, and wondering what’s next! I’d like something that combines my need for high people contact and and activity level with a steady paycheck and benefits, opportunity for travel, diversity (can no longer live without it!), space/time for creativity, autonomy, flexibility. And NO COMMUTE!

  24. Mary says 10 July 2009 at 07:25

    Great post. It’s nice to see some coverage of the good points of having a job working for a company. I like where I work and what I do and the life it leads me lead.

  25. TeresaA says 10 July 2009 at 07:26

    Yes, there is a great amount of freedom that comes with being an entrepeneur. I love the flexibility, I love being able to work from home, I love the creativity involved and I love providing a service to people that brings them happiness and makes them smile. Most of all, I like doing something that is meaningful to me, and I enjoy the interesting people that I meet.

    One great challenge, I think, to being an entrepreneur, especially if you are small and cannot employ people, is taking a real vacation! My business involves custom orders and deadlines, so I never know when I’ll have a day or two off. A week or two off is an impossibility at this time. This is troubling for me, since I would really love to travel.

    I have run a small side business for about 4 years now, and I love it. I have grown to the point that I could work the day job on a part-time basis. Being cooped up in an office all day has never been for me. My goal is to cut the day job entirely. That is another great challenge, finally cutting the “apron strings” and learning ot fly on your own. The transition isn’t an easy one….

  26. Scott Lovingood says 10 July 2009 at 07:29

    I don’t think the line can be drawn so neatly between employee and self employed. Many times we blend across those lines and forget categories. I have written an article covering more ground on it and referring back to yours.

    http://www.askthewealthsquad.com/blog/is-self-employed-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/

    I have been an employee, self employed and a business owner as well as a volunteer. Many times I have been in all four categories at the same time. Makes life interesting to say the least.

    Risk and responsibility tends to be the major separator between employee and self employed. As anyone who has been laid off recently, being an employee isn’t necessarily a risk free place to be. More often it is just an unseen risk.

    I agree that not everyone should be or can be self employed or a business owner. It requires a different mindset and set of skills. But the world needs both to be successful. Every business owner is glad to have someone who is an excellent employee. Every employee is grateful for a business owner who is successful and continues to delivery value to the world.

    Excellent article. I enjoy your posts very much and look forward to the next ones.

    Sincerely
    Scott

  27. Karawynn @Pocketmint says 10 July 2009 at 07:58

    Very briefly, before I head out the door to the Escape from Cubicle Nation workshop (irony):

    The ‘loss of fun’ in the shift from hobby to profession is a story I’ve heard a lot. For example, I had a girlfriend who loved video games. She networked herself into a career reviewing them. In the space of just a few months, she found that she had started to hate games. All the joy of playing them had been sucked right out. She stopped reviewing, got her CPA, and is now happily doing corporate accounting.

    However, having experience on both sides of the equation, I still prefer to make a living from something I care about, when that’s possible.

  28. Jason B says 10 July 2009 at 07:58

    “According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, on average, self-employed people make more than those who work for others”

    “make” is a pretty vague statement. Obviously the gross income could be much higher if you charge $50/hr for your services, but what is the net income after paying things like health insurance, self employment tax, etc? Buying equipment and software? Renting office space?

  29. Dave G. says 10 July 2009 at 07:58

    When I’m not writing blog comments I do accounting for an employer in the town where I live. I can ride a bike to work every day and this is something that really feels good to me. I don’t love my job nor do I hate it. It’s ok, but most days it doesn’t feed my spirit. For the past 10 years I’ve also done bookkeeping work on the side for one or two other businesses. I do this work to help others and also for the extra income. Additionally, I started a clock repair business about 5 years ago. I enjoy bringing an old grandfather clock back to life. It started out slowly, then got quite busy, so I stopped advertising to slow it back down. I’ve thought long and hard about starting up a blog or website business and so far have not done so. I fear success. When I think about employment I think about time slipping out of my hands no matter if it’s working for myself or someone else. My wife tells me I’m never going to be satisfied in a job – it’s my attitude that’s fouling me up. (I’ve tried being more positive, but it never works out.) ;o) Ideally, if I could be my current age with enough passive income to meet my habits I would choose to do whatever I wanted – for little pay or free. I’d plant trees for a nursery for awhile, help build a house, work at a bike shop for a couple months, help my nephew on his farm, get better at playing guitar, tour the U.S. on my bike, etc. I’m saving and have $40,000 left to pay on the mortgage and I’ll eventually reach what I crave, but I’m afraid I will be a much older person by then. I guess what it comes down to for me is that once again my wife is correct-it’s my attitude. I hate when that happens.

  30. LDK says 10 July 2009 at 08:01

    My husband and I both became self-employed quite young; I opened a retail store when I was 24 and he became an independent consultant at 25…we already had a mortgage, 2 kids and 2 dogs. We cannot imagine it being any other way…HOWEVER, it is certainly not for everyone. We spent a full decade without taking a vacation longer than 5 days and a lot of our time was spent engaging in tasks outside our chosen fields. (ie. as a retail store owner I was able to choose what to buy and sell, hire staff and decide on merchandising displays and marketing promotions, but I also got to sweep the floor, remit payroll taxes, count inventory and countless other less-than-enjoyable activities…and when my full time manager broke her jaw and was out of commission for 6 weeks, guess who got to do double duty?)

    I think the key-like with everything-is to know yourself and to pursue the path that is truest to your goals and personality…there are pros and cons to both, but how they are weighted is unique to the individual.

  31. Jen Roberts says 10 July 2009 at 08:13

    The timing of this article for me couldn’t be more perfect. Today is my last day of a 10 year carrer in corporate marketing before I officially leap into entrepreneurship. I’ve been running a specialty cake & chocolate side business on nights, weekends and “vacation” time for the past 5 years while enduring 3+ hours of commuting and a 9+ hour workday five days a week.

    I worry that I’ll miss the daily interactions with my co-workers, and I sometimes question if I’m totally nuts to be a solo entrepreneur, but I guess only time will tell.

    My husband & I have scrimped and saved over the past five years and are personally financing the build out of the bakery and all initial business costs, which I know will put us back into a little bit of debt. It’s taken us five years to save up enough cash (over a year worth of emergency fund)and pay down nearly all of our debt (all we have left is our mortgage) – and the fiscally responsible part of me is freaking out about going back into debt again.

    At the end of today, even though I realize that I won’t be getting a steady paycheck, I won’t be getting paid on days when there’s nothing to do, I’ll still owe rent even if there are no orders, and I’ll be acting as; general contractor, business manager, customer service, baker, decorator, delivery person & every other position needed – I won’t have the regret of always wanting to follow my passion and not having enough guts to do it.

    Here’s hoping that the build out of my space is quick, the orders are steady & the bakery is a success!

  32. bluntmoney says 10 July 2009 at 08:26

    I have a day job now and a couple of side businesses, but have been completely self-employed in the past. For me, it’s more a matter of not being cut out for corporate work. Who I AM is an entrepreneur. Lonliness isn’t a problem for me as I don’t get much interaction at my job anyway, but when I was strictly self-employed I did crave a change of scenery quite frequently. I did things like running errands during the day, taking walks, and going to work out.

  33. kaitlyn says 10 July 2009 at 08:28

    I am not even a little bit interested in being self-employed. I get bored very easily.

    My current position as a floating chemist (I’m backup for whatever department is currently too busy to handle) has me doing different things every day. I don’t have to deal with the minutia of departments, either. My job is to put out fires. Plus, my place of employment lets us set our own hours!

    My MIL is one of those people who thinks that if you don’t own a business, you’ll never be successful. She wants my SO to open a business and have me take care of the books. We didn’t -quite- laugh in her face when she proposed it, but I think we got across that any business with me in charge of accounting is a doomed business. Too many annoying details.

  34. Karen says 10 July 2009 at 08:31

    I’ve been self-employed for over 12 years as a free-lance graphic designer. Prior to striking out on my own, I was working in an in-house creative services department at a state university. Because I had such regular hours working for a state university, I was able to build my freelance business. I did my full-time gig, and freelance on the side for 5 years, before I decided it was time to freelance full-time. During those 5 years, I saved all the money I made on the side.

    I’ve found working as a full-time freelance graphic designer very fulfilling. I’m making considerably more than I was when I worked for someone else. But, I’m also working harder, and longer hours. I’ve been blessed with regular clients that send me steady work. I also have a retainer agreement with a client who pays me a set amount every month. Having a stable base income has eased the stress of income swings.

    One thing I’ve learned over the years, is the value of an emergency fund. If you’re self-employed it really can’t be big enough. I have a decent personal emergency fund, and am working on building a larger emergency fund for my business. And I do have to tap into the emergency funds at least once per year. Having both emergency funds, have made it easier and less stressful to get through slow periods in my business.

    The other thing I’ve learned, is the value of setting aside money ear-marked for taxes in a separate account. Early on, I made the mistake of not separating my tax money from my operating expenses. I had an incredibly large tax payment that I owed, and did not have enough money to pay it. I had to completely wipe out my personal emergency fund in order to pay that tax bill. It took me 5 years to pay myself back. Since then, I set up a separate account specifically for tax money, and I deposit a set amount in that account every month, so I can pay my quarterly tax payments. I also have regular deposits set up for my individual 401K.

    As far as loneliness, I have a studio outside my home that I work from. My studio is within walking distance of my home, in an old mill building housing other artists, designers, photographers and other creatives. About once a month, I schedule a lunch date with someone. I tend to do a lot of group activities on the weekend, so I can keep up my social skills! 🙂

    Self-employment really suits me and my personality. Full-time freelancing has allowed me the flexibility to pursue some of my other passions. I also like the challenge of wearing many different hats. If I absolutely had to, I could go back to working for someone else. But, it would be a tough transition to make.

  35. Ann says 10 July 2009 at 08:34

    I have been self-employed (working from home) for almost 13 years. I fell into it, in that I was laid off from my previous job for a large insurance company, my kids were young (1 & 3) and I wanted to be at home with them for a while. So here I am, still working at home (full-time now) and probably will be until the kids are done with H.S.

    I’m not doing what I want to do in terms of employment, but I can bring in a decent salary & have been and am still able to be available for the kids for school functions, MD appts., etc. The lack of adult interaction is the hardest part. It does get lonely & if it wasn’t for the dog I would probably be talking to myself. The phone is a life-line to the outside world for me along with a couple visits to one of my client offices during the week.

    What I miss most about working for someone else is paid time off. If I take time off now I need someone to cover for me. Also, if I don’t work, I don’t get paid. I think the last vacation I took (like a whole week off) was 5 years ago. Now I’m just taking a Friday of Monday off here and there.

    All in all, I am very grateful that I have been able to be at home while my kids were growing up. Sacrifice of time and my dreams of work that I want to do, but it has definitely been worth it to me. The kids will be gone in a few years & I can move on to the next stage for me at that point.

  36. ebyt says 10 July 2009 at 08:48

    I have a good job now. I am a year of out university and making a really good income. My job is temporary, though – possible of extension – so that always worries me. Sometimes the work is fun, other times it is not. I want to start my own business, though, and am doing research on the side and saving money. I’ve always had the entrepreneurial spirit, and something about calling the shots and making my own hours thrills me. I want to do what I REALLY want to be doing. This job is great for now, but years down the road I don’t think I want to do 9 to 5.

  37. carla | green and chic says 10 July 2009 at 08:52

    I am currently self employed and I love it. I started my web store back in November while I was still working full time. My idea was to keeping working at my day-job until we relocate or I am able to quit my job from my business.

    Life had different plans for me and I had to go on full-time disability in March. I wasn’t able to put that much time into the business because of what I was dealing with physically, but now I am able to put more time into it now that I am doing a little better (but still out of work).

    I guess I’m grateful I was able to start my store and blog while I was still able to do it. I doubt I would be able to start now.

  38. rkt88edmo says 10 July 2009 at 08:59

    The part about the loneliness is very interesting. You have thousands of readers who feel very connected to you, but the portal is not running both ways.

    I haven’t listened to the podcast but I wonder if this is also because you and Trent are more family and home oriented?

  39. Brenda says 10 July 2009 at 09:01

    I do both part-time.

    For me, the things I like about being self-employed as a freelance graphic designer is that I can set my own hours, and stay in the comfort of my room to work. I don’t have to worry about a long commute or any strife with other co-workers, and I feel independent and in control of my work. The cons of self-employment for me are lack of health insurance, sporadic pay, high self-employment taxes and being responsible for my own social security taxes, and the lack of other employee interaction.

    The things i like about my part-time job with an employer are the benefits of health insurance, sick days, 401K with company match, the fact that the company helps pay into my social security taxes and a steady paycheck. The things I don’t like about my part-time job with an employer is the low pay, infrequent monetary raises, and the inflexibility with scheduling as well as being on the bottom of the corporate ladder, so to speak.

    Of course, this is my own particular case, everyone else’s mileage may vary.

  40. Michael says 10 July 2009 at 09:07

    You’ve already went out and got your own office space. How about finding other bloggers in your area to share a space with? It would be great for socializing and collaborating with other people on ideas. I’ve read a blog post about it not too long ago….I’ll see if I can find it again.

    Here it is:
    http://lifehacker.com/5191974/the-pros-and-cons-of-coworking

  41. J.D. says 10 July 2009 at 09:20

    So many great comments. Instead of addressing them individually, I’m going to sort of ramble.

    Kris and I had a great talk about this last night, about my continued loneliness. During the conversation, I mentioned that two of the issues I have right now are (a) loneliness and (b) a lack of material to write about. These actually stem from the same source. When I’m closed up in an office all day, I’m not interacting with people. This interaction is what stems the loneliness, and it’s also what gives me inspiration for some of my best posts. “My favorite articles to write are reaction pieces,” I told Kris. But if I’m not out in the world, I have nothing to react to.

    I do go out to lunch with readers and colleagues when I can, but I find that if I go out too often, I spend too much money. Also, a lunch takes more time than you think. I budget three hours (no joke) for every lunch, and that’s a big chunk out of my day. Still, it may be possible to find other ways to connect with readers and colleagues.

    I’d love to do something like Michael (#40) suggests: Create a space where other local bloggers can come together to write. The problem is finding a way to do that sensibly. Something to think about.

    Also, as many of you have suggested, it does seem like it’s time to bring on another writer. I’m not talking about replacing my writing completely, but finding somebody to contribute one or two articles a week so that there’s a regular voice. Readers don’t seem to mind the idea of guest posts, but the do prefer a consistent voice, and rotating guest posts don’t offer that. I’ve already accumulated a pool of six potential candidates, and they’re working up “audition” pieces that I’ll share during August/September. We’ll try to get a second writer around here to help with the workload.

    Anyway, there’s a lot going on behind the scenes here as I strive to make this a fun and informative site. I don’t mean to ramble on about it (especially since tomorrow’s post covers some of this same ground — it’s the results of the recent survey).

  42. Tyler Karaszewski says 10 July 2009 at 09:52

    I’m an engineer at a silicon valley tech company. It’s one of these progressive companies with no set work hours, an unlimited vacation policy, fantastic health insurance, and $100k+ salaries (I don’t say six-figure because that includes up to $999,999, and probably 90%+ of people with ‘six-figure’ salaries make between $100k and $200k). I have great co-workers and am around interesting people whenever I go into the office, which is only three days a week.

    There are plenty of other perks, too. I don’t actually own a computer, since work supplies me with new ones whenever I decide my current one is getting old. I have a 401k with my money in a low-cost index fund (people online all seem to think this is impossible with 401ks). I’m moving this weekend, so I sent an email to my manager telling him I’d be working from home today until I finished my requirements for the week, then I’d take the rest of the afternoon off to pack. No one bats an eyelash at these sorts of requests.

    Good luck with your home-business, but I’m really pretty happy where I am, thanks.

  43. Eric says 10 July 2009 at 10:01

    I have been toying w/ this same issue for years. My father when he retired from the military became an entrepreneur. He was very successful, but i never saw him or my mom outside of work again after that. They both worked 80+ hours a week but we never sat down to dinner together or took a family vacation where we ALL went together and every summer and wkd I was home was spent pitching in to the family business in some capacity.

    This wasn’t all bad, i lived a very comfortable childhood. My parents shipped me off to California every summer for ‘vacation’, but my parents never once talked to me about working for myself. Mom said go to college, dad said join the military. I did both.

    I have worked for myself part time for close to 10 years now I tried to do it full time for about 2 but I realized I desired the normalcy of my regular job, the steady pay check, the health benefits the comaraderie etc etc

    The money was great when I was working for myself full time but the hours sucked. EVERY day of the week was work and every trip was business related. Then there is quarterly taxes, health insurance, payroll blah blah blah. Downsizing and going part time still has it’s hassles but after a full’s day work at my job if i don’t want to answer the phone for my business I won’t.

  44. Dlyn says 10 July 2009 at 10:06

    I absolutely dream of having my own business or at least a position that allows me to make my own schedule. Currently I work for a college and can take classes for free which helps with the boredom of my job (secretary to an arrogant dean who thinks secretaries don’t have brains). I already have a degree but I love learning. My major setback for having my own business is Health care benefits. My husband is a diabetic and I have an 8 year old that seems to need a doctor a few times more than just the one for before school starts. We almost went bankrupt with medical costs when his employer raised premiums and the annual deductible the same year he had chest pains that took about 4 months and multiple tests/procedures to discover his gall bladder simply didn’t work. When I got my current job we immediately changed to my health care plan. I fear every year that the premiums and deductibles will once again go too high for us while we try to get the finances under control. We are definitely made for working for ourselves but our fear of the future health care costs keeps us imprisoned.

  45. Brian says 10 July 2009 at 10:09

    I’ve been laid off recently and have been struggling to find another job. I have also been toying with starting my own business in computer repair. I would love a full-time job at a company with benefits. But at the same time I would love to be in control of my own business. Sure the investment and the work from the start will be a struggle, but I see the potential for rewards and success to be better than if I pursued a full-time position. Only problem with that would be responsibility for things like insurance and taxes. Working for someone else, they take care of that for you.

  46. Nina says 10 July 2009 at 10:13

    Wow Tyler #42, I’m so happy for you. I hope your dream job lasts in an economy that can and has easily go to shit at the blink of an eye. I hope you’re not putting all your eggs in one basket as so many people do in their comfy, cozy jobs while laughing a the rest of us “wage slaves” that actually have to WORK and not play to earn a living.

  47. April Dykman says 10 July 2009 at 10:19

    @JD–Have you thought of volunteering regularly? I know some organizations help people get back on their feet with finance education, interviewing and resume assistance, etc. Or maybe doing something completely unrealted to PF would offer more inspiration. Either way, you’d interact with fellow volunteers and with those who benefit from the cause.

  48. Monica says 10 July 2009 at 10:22

    I am a self employed piano teacher. I love the teaching but hate the money collecting aspect because it can really affect the relationship the parents have with you. I am easy going with payments, but people get weird when they owe you money.
    So this year I am offering one free month payment if they pay a yearly fee by November so I can just keep track of the amount of lessons. One Mom did this last year and our friendship blossomed. Our discussions focused on her child without conflict about money.
    I feel my time is better spent on my students and planning what to teach than dealing with money issues.

  49. Wesley says 10 July 2009 at 10:49

    I’m with AD…perhaps a research topic would work well. You could work or volunteer at various places, post on your research periodically and use that to make a new series.

    Topics like ‘Poor in America’ that deal with the realities and poor choices being made are interesting, but also the new stigma of class warfare brewing (you know, the whole “down with the rich, let them pay the taxes, let’s punish successful folks” stuff) would be an interesting read given your writing style and amount of thought you put into your articles.

    And I agree with you JD. I really enjoy the articles on this site, but many of the reader comments are extremely thought-provoking. It all keeps me coming back daily.

  50. TC says 10 July 2009 at 11:10

    I’ve done three stints as a freelance writer. Each time, I returned to an office for a different reason.

    The first time, it was the loneliness. I needed other people to talk to. I applied for a job I was interested in, got it, and was happy to be there.

    The second time, it was the unpredictability of freelancing. I was making good money, definitely enough to support us, and yet, there was a month where I had to use a credit card to pay my mortgage, because several of my clients were behind in paying me…to the tune of well over $10K. That’s when I said enough is enough, looked for a job, got one, and was happy to be there for a long time.

    The third time, it was the recent economic downturn, where my main freelance client (who was really, to all extents and purposes, a full-time employer for over two years) told me they’d only be able to use me for about a two-thirds of the hours I had been logging up until then. With an unemployed husband and two kids, that was financial ruin. So I looked for a job, got one, and am happy(ish) to be here. (I miss working at home now…When you have kids, the home-bound loneliness is a lot less than it is when you’re single, like I was during my first stint.)

    Neither side of the fence really suits me. It’s hard stuff.

  51. E says 10 July 2009 at 11:26

    I could not work for myself, or even at home for someone else. I need the activity and interaction of the workplace, and also the schedule and deadlines to get me out the door in the morning. Left to my own devices I never get anything done. 😉
    I expect I will always be an employee and I work to make myself a good one, so good employers will always want me. My current employer has expressed a desire to maintain the status quo and I am happy with that; I work with good people and get great benefits, including the continuing education which is so necessary to keep myself relevant and valuable.
    🙂

  52. Tyler Karaszewski says 10 July 2009 at 11:42

    @Nina — sorry my relative success offends you, but the reason that these sorts of companies offer these sorts of perks is that finding good software engineers is *hard*, and when they find people they know can do useful work, they’ll do a lot to try and make them happy so that they stick around.

    Could the economy go to shit and destroy my company? Sure. That could happen to any company, at any time. I bet a lot of GM employees thought they were perfectly safe at such a large, well-established company. But sometimes bad things happen that you didn’t expect. We seem OK for now though — we’re growing, I think we expect to do over a billion dollars in business this year, and we’re the leader in our field.

    Are all my “eggs in one basket”? I don’t really know what you mean. I’ve invested a lot of time and energy into being good at my profession, so yes, my eggs are all in the “software engineering” basket, and if computers go out of use tomorrow, then I’m going to have some problems, but that seems unlikely. I’m not particularly dependent on my current employer, though. I could quit today and have another job tomorrow if I wanted to, but that isn’t real appealing right now.

    If you think I don’t do any work, I can send you my code for review. It should be trivial for you to look over, since apparently I haven’t actually written any code here. The software we ship obviously comes into existence via divine intervention.

    I’m not laughing at anyone who’s working hard, I’m just saying that I enjoy being part of a larger organization, and that I don’t see much appeal in trying to start over from scratch, despite the emphasis it’s been given by the personal-finance/personal-development blogging community.

  53. Ian says 10 July 2009 at 11:56

    This is an excellent and timely post. There is an emotional side to personal finance and work that is often overlooked. I am happy that you bring it out into the open.

    I am beginning to build a music studio for voice lessons in Las Cruces, NM. Thanks to some of the advice I received on this blog I saved up enough during graduate studies to survive on while I transition to self-employment.

    However, while I do my budget I do sometimes have a real sense of fear about what the next few months will hold.

    @Monica #48 : I feel you on that. It is always awkward to reach the end of a friendly music lesson and then say “So that’s going to be $x.” And yet we must. So far it doesn’t seem to have affected any relationships, but I can see how it might.

  54. Matt Roberge says 10 July 2009 at 12:05

    I am currently self employed. It is certainly a love hate relationship until you and your business are a complete success. Then after that there is always the “next step.”
    The reason I chose to be self-employed is the draw of unlimited income. Everything that comes in is mine and I am compensated based on how hard I work. Another reason is I believe only the truly elite careers and people that own their own business can become wealthy.
    With that being said their is the flip side of the coin. Being self employed you are solely responsbile for the success of you business. A lot of people can not handle that pressure. With the attraction of unlimited income comes the possibility of income decreases or no income at all. Another draw back is that there is a lot of “unbillable” time when you are self employed. Marketing, accounting etc. However, that time is necessary in order for you to succeed.

    In summary self employment certainly is not for everyone, but you will never know until you give it a try. Nobody ever made money, became wealthy or successful without taking a calculated risk.

  55. Eric Burdo says 10 July 2009 at 12:15

    Some good info to determine for tax purposes is June Walker’s book. You can find it here (along with her blog and newsletter).

    http://junewalkeronline.com/

  56. Eric F. says 10 July 2009 at 12:24

    Yeah, the loneliness is uber bad.

    For the past 9 months, I’ve been living as a self-employed individual. “Living” from contract to contract, I would anyday change my contracts for a steady job. First factor in hand: social interaction. The bad part is that you need to self-motivate yourself, and when you’re all alone, for me, it’s extremely difficult. You have all the ingredients for procrastination, yet, you don’t have the bonus, both positive (cheers) and negative (judgemental looks) that co-workers can provide.

    Hence, I wish I could go in a cube farm at any time (sigh)

  57. Brent says 10 July 2009 at 12:37

    @52 Tyler

    Wow, that sounds nice. I am glad there are companies that value the employee as your company does. Just curious, is it Google? 🙂

  58. Kevin@OutOfYourRut says 10 July 2009 at 13:10

    JD–Very thoughtful analysis of employment vs. self-employment. You did an excellent job of presenting the pros and cons of each from the perspective on one who’s done both.

    It may be that most people who are employed dream about being self-employed, and many who are self-employed think glowingly about the predictability and steady paycheck of a full time job. Human nature I suppose.

    But one barometer that might make it easier to determine which one you fit into is to figure out if you’re the kind of person who needs to self-actualize through work, or one who is driven primarily by non-work activities and uses work to support those activities.

    The person who self actualizes through work is probably an entrepreneur at heart, feeling the need to go beyond the limits of traditional employment and to have absolute control over the final product. This sort of person usually can’t be contained in a traditional job situation anyway.

    If you aren’t particularly passionate about your work, but find true happiness in doing sculpture, playing golf, working out, maintaining an active social life, etc, you might be better off on a steady paycheck. The predictability of a job tends to better support outside activities. When you’re self employed your mind is never very far from work no matter where you are or what you’re doing.

    Nothing hard and fast here, I suspect most of us have a little of both in our personalities, so it’s really a matter of how deep we are in one direction or the other. Some honest soul searching might help sort this out.

  59. Jason says 10 July 2009 at 13:30

    @Nina — Generally I’ve found positions that come with lots of freedom like Tyler’s also come with a tremendous amount of responsibility and work, and are the result of an employer looking to attract people who want some of the benefits of entrepreneurship (pride of ownership, setting your own schedule, full responsibility for something) with the benefits of a full time job (steady paycheck, no hustling up new projects, benefits and other drudgery taken care of). Look at the flip side of some of his statements:

    no set work hours — in the software business, this translates as “take it easy during non-crunch time, but during crunch time, you won’t see daylight until the ship date. Plan accordingly”

    unlimited vacation policy — similar to the above. Feel free to take time off. But keep in mind when the ship date is. Also, if you have deliverables that need to be delivered, get them in on time.

    fantastic health insurance — well, no one who does software development wants to dicker with this stuff, so make sure you keep em healthy.

    I’m sure Tyler’s management isn’t a bunch of draconian jerks, but instead they are trusting the employees to work in a manner which suits them best, and as long as their code comes in on time, bug-free and meeting the spec, what’s wrong with that? It’s actually putting the words “self-managed” to work.

    I’m also pretty sure it’s an environment where you “get it” or you don’t, as well. I work in software development, myself, and I can tell you that it is indeed work to ship out a quality product on time and keep up with customer demands.

  60. Kenny says 10 July 2009 at 13:43

    I owned a successful business for 5 years, but I went back to an employer because of the isolation/social issues. I just need that social interaction with co-workers. Interacting with customers was just not the same for me. I was in my 30’s too which played a role for me.

    Now in my early 40’s I like working for someone else as long as I still have autonomy, but 40-45 hours a week is just too much time to spend in one place!

    Not sure who invented the 40 hour work week, but I stopped buying into it 3-4 years ago. Luckily I was able to set myself up so I can now work 32 hours a week which is great. I’m much happier. I will never work 40+ hours again. I would like to get it down 25-28 hours eventually.

    I see so many co-workers dragging in the morning and again from 3-5. I really think productivity could go up if everyone worked from 9-3 (and really worked).

  61. E says 10 July 2009 at 13:53

    @ Kevin #58 I think you nailed it. I am 100% in the 2nd category. 🙂 I love that I can leave my job at the office at 5pm and go do my life. The job will be there Monday morning and I’ll be ready for it.
    Barring something drastic of course. 😀

  62. Tyler Karaszewski says 10 July 2009 at 14:09

    Like Jason says, this isn’t a case of “we’ll pay you to do nothing” but a case of “as long as you get things done in a timely fashion, we’ll leave the details up to you.”

    Here’s how netflix tries to recruit good people:
    http://www.netflix.com/Jobs?id=5366

    I do not work for Netflix (nor for Google like Brent asked), but I work at a place with similar values to both those companies.

    All these companies build real products and make money, even with permissive rules about when their employees should be where. Because we can choose to come in at 8:00am or 11:00am doesn’t mean we don’t do anything useful once we’re in.

    Likewise, I’m currently sitting on my couch, responding to this message, but I’ve been working on testing a new feature of our software from here, and I currently have a few minutes as I wait for a script I wrote to push out a test build of that software to the network so that I can run it.

    Once I’ve verified the new feature is working properly, I’ll have finished everything I had scheduled for this week, so I can stop working and go pack up my kitchen.

  63. MichaelM says 10 July 2009 at 14:13

    I worked for a distributed web startup company for a while. As long as 4 or so of my hours each day were during US business hours, I could work whenever I wanted.

    I loved the freedom to work all night long or whenever I wanted, but I was surprised to find how lonely it got. I never really had a job where I was best friends with my co-workers, but it turns out that those interactions were still important to me.

    Now I have a desk job with a schedule that pays less and is less interesting, but I do get human interaction.

    Everything’s got tradeoffs.

  64. TosaJen says 10 July 2009 at 14:41

    Hi Tyler (#42): I had a job like yours for almost 5 years about 10 years ago, before the company was acquired. I knew at the time that it might be the best job I’ll ever have. Enjoy it and don’t take it the least bit for granted. I’ve settled in less happy circumstances for family reasons since then, but at least I’ll recognize a good thing when I see it again.

    As for entrepreneur vs. wage slave: I am reading Escape from Cubicle Nation, and kept laughing out loud during the first chapter. I resolve to keep “hating your job is not a business plan” (probably paraphrased) in the front of my mind during any future thinking about entrepreneurship.

    As to trying to start a business: I live in a very risk-averse area (midwest rustbelt), and anyone who would prefer to start something new to working a safe (?) 9-5 job with benefits is considered crazy. I think my biggest difficulty will be finding like-minded, competent grownups (my coworkers described the work model Tyler describes as the “distributed grownup model”) willing to take a risk. Lots of experienced, conscientious people here without jobs right now, though, so who knows? Perhaps working for a promising startup looks better than no job at all? My jobs at two startups have been far less isolating than my remote corporate job.

    One last thought: I work 2000 miles remotely from my coworkers, so I get the isolation thing too. I have a few outside activities that give me regular human contact, as well as DH and the kids during parts of the day. I do miss seeing coworkers in person for meetings a few days a week, but I don’t miss driving to sit alone in a cubicle doing the same individual work, instead of alone at home in my shorts with no makeup and loud music.

  65. Charley says 10 July 2009 at 14:54

    I haven’t been a fulltime entrepreneur previously but I do have the writing bug, and am a bit concerned that I’ve read several bloggers express some disappointment at going fulltime. It is a lonely quest.

    I took a month off in November 2006 to write a book and I remember crawling out of my skin by week 2. I guess you develop your routines, and have to make special effort to be social and reach out to people.

  66. Aja B. says 10 July 2009 at 15:23

    I haven’t read the rest of the comments, sorry if this is redundant, but there are several “co-working” office situations in Portland for entrepreneurs who still want to work around other people. Here’s one: http://ford-building.com/ , and here’s an article about the concept: http://www.komonews.com/economy/jobs/43252072.html

    It seems like a really great mix of quiet office time and the bustle of coworkers, plus you’d interact with a lot of really interesting creative/techy types.

  67. john says 10 July 2009 at 15:33

    I’ve got one foot in and one foot out, I work part-time for someone else and part-time for myself, and I’m still not sure which will get me what I want – more time to write fiction/make art.

    J.D., Do you have any time to write non-blog stuff? If you did have time, do you think you’d have the gumption or is all your writing mojo done by the end of the day?

  68. Aja B. says 10 July 2009 at 16:05

    The difference, IMO, of working for a company like Travis’, and one like, say, Bank of America, is that Travis’ company absolutely values their employees and treats them like the lifeblood of the company (which they are). More traditional, corporate organizations treat employees like interchangeable cogs in the machine, not valuable (or even human). That’s what the majority of workers are used to, so something like Travis’ situation sounds unreal… but really, all employers should look at employees the way Travis’ does, and a decent number of them do.

  69. S says 10 July 2009 at 16:07

    The need for health insurance is what me back FT work – my employer pays over $22,000 a year to cover my family’s health, dental, vision…..

  70. elisabeth says 10 July 2009 at 16:27

    I wonder if the lonliness thing is something that we take with us, even into jobs with lots of other people. I was so grateful to retire from a job where I didn’t have close friends as colleagues; I see fewer people now, but my social interactions are more satisfying.
    A friend who is a life-long free-lance writer found it increasingly difficult as he got older. The constant efforts needed to keep jobs coming in was very wearing on him, and he did want health insurance… I wonder if the new health care plans that congress is discussing will result in something that will help those who want to work outside of large companies.

  71. L. Roberts says 10 July 2009 at 16:45

    Interesting article. As a guy, this has always been a struggle. Should I do what I want, or what I should do? I started with a family early on, but was able to finish college and start teaching, which I love! But, it doesn’t pay that well. I’m completely motivated and at the top of my profession with a Masters and Board Certification, but, it’s not enough. My wife stays at home but is thinking about joining the workforce this fall. I’m starting an online editing/proofreading business but who’s to say it will work? I’ve spent hours and hours on it already but it takes time. It’s a struggle, but as a teacher, I have a lot of freedom of expression and exploration, personally and professionally. I won’t give that up.

  72. Rachel says 10 July 2009 at 18:18

    I am an employee (nonprofit organization) working on setting out on my own as a translator. It is scary but exciting. I love my coworkers, but I am bored of the actual work I do from day to day. I have had the amazing opportunity to work in an area that I love while gaining a lot of varied experience, but as soon as I started seriously working toward freelancing as a translator I knew I had to work on my own. I am passionate about the work and look forward to the control it will give me, even if I know it also brings the day-to-day chores involved with running a business (which I do some of anyway, in my current job!). I do have to give thanks to all of the resources that have helped me with the research and planning–although I know it will take time to see a return on my investment, I am looking forward to the ways in which I and my business will grow!

  73. Jeff says 10 July 2009 at 18:32

    I know you’ve mentioned starting local GRS “communities”. As a local Portlander, I would fully support that effort and help spearhead the project. Might help with some of that isolation and give you a greater sense of direction and ideas. Best of Luck, J.D., thanks for all you do.

  74. mamabigdog says 10 July 2009 at 18:51

    I’ve been self-employed with a business partner for two years now. I was self-employed on my own twice before, but was not able to sustain it. Having a partner is helpful, because there is someone to be accountable to, but it’s also a hassle. It’s like being married in a way, especially when you have different ideas about how things should be than the other person does. Those conversations can be challenging, to say the least, and of all the things I do, those conversations cause me the most stress of all (and they’re not even that frequent). I do worry about future conflicts, and how we’ll resolve them equitably.

    The work I do is great, and I really enjoy it. I like being self-employed because I’m not good at early morning hours. I can work until 2am if I like, and no one hassles me about it. Overall, I’d much rather be working for myself in this situation than working for someone else. Our opportunities are really growing, and it is so exciting to be part of something like that.

  75. Unite says 10 July 2009 at 19:03

    When I was 22, I joined a prestigious investment bank and after my first full year of work, I made $104,000 gross. That was 3X more than what I thought I’d make m y first year out of school when I was looking for a job as a sophomore and junior.

    At 24.5, I was offered a promotion and a guaranteed $200,000 income if I moved to another firm. I took it. When I was 27, I was promoted again, and got paid $350,000 all in, and when I was 30, I made $600,000. Last year, despite the downturn I still made $420,000 all in.

    I would love to be my own boss and entrepreneur. However it is very difficult to walk away after making so much steady regular money, with great health care and a relatively exciting profession. Even in the biggest downturn of my career, I’m still able to make more than i ever dreamed. Hence, I think i will try and work as hard as possible at my job until they no longer want me.

    If i was only making $50-100,000/yr after 10 years of working, I’d seriously think about being my own boss. The opportunity cost is not as great. But, for now very happy to just sock all the money away in savings until I get let go.

  76. Lisa says 10 July 2009 at 19:07

    Wow – this really resonated with me. I had my own nonprofit (the intentionally broke version of owning my own business). I really miss the freedom and entrepreneurial spirit, but I just couldn’t take the loneliness of working alone any more. Now I’m struggling with working for someone else – it’s really hard after 5 years of being your own boss. However, on the plus side I have actual *colleagues* who I laugh with and support me (and ok, who cause stress of their own sometimes). I’ve been clear I’d like to pursue my own projects within my new nonprofit job – so I’m creating essentially my own business within an existing one.

    If I ever went it alone again (which I might), I would definitely look at co-working situations, or maybe just try to rent space from a business/ nonprofit doing similar work.

  77. Chemjobber says 10 July 2009 at 20:31

    I’m a chemist and I agree with Caitlin — as much as my employer might be silly and my coworkers sometimes annoying, I love my job and what I do. It’s a blast — science rocks!

  78. Brent says 11 July 2009 at 04:37

    You enjoyed flipping burgers at McDonald’s? That was the worst job I ever had. The boss was thoughtless and rigid, we weren’t allowed to interact much on the job, and no one took pride in the work.

  79. Elizabeth says 11 July 2009 at 06:36

    I like this post. Both of my parents have been self-employed and employed for others, so I certainly got to see both sides of the coin growing up.

    Colleen’s comment made me wonder if people find it easier or harder start your own business if you’re married. I’m a staff writer (though my duties include much more than writing), and this week happened to see the figure that my company wants to pay free-lance writers. It was a bit of a wake-up call when I started doing the math. I could make more money as a freelance writer and be more in control of life too.

    One thing that’s stopped me from making the leap in the past is that I’m single. I like having a steady pay cheque, health benefits and being able to make regular contributions to my retirement savings. It seems I already “go it alone” in to many areas of my life, but I’m tired of waiting to pursue something I want to do. I like the idea of taking on work on the side to help transition, but I worry about becoming even more isolated by putting in the extra hours.

    Any single, self-employed people out there have any advice?

  80. Kevin@OutOfYourRut says 11 July 2009 at 07:51

    A lot too depends on the work that you do. If you can take what you do in your job and translate it into self employment, there’s a lot less risk in making the move. If the job you have can’t easily be converted into a business the stakes are a good bit higher.

    If you’re an IT consultant or an architect working for a company, and you want to make the jump to self employment, there’s a ready market for your skills.

    But for a banker or a research scientist, it would be a lot harder, if it’s even doable. It might require either approaching your career/industry from an entirely different angle (thinking out of the box and coming up with something entirely new) or taking a plunge into an entirely different business, both of which are high risk ventures. No statistics here, but I’d be willing to bet this is where most business failures are concentrated.

    If you’re in the second group, where you’re job doesn’t translate easily into self-employment, you’re probably better off trying what ever business you intend to pursue as a sideline, at least until there’s a reasonable indication of long term success.

  81. Laser says 11 July 2009 at 11:10

    Pros and cons for both. If you aren’t making a healthy amount of money, and feel stuck and hate your job. Go the entrepreneurship route, but know that you could end up broke and broken. If you like stability, and are happy with your paycheck, and can stand your job, then by all means, work for someone else.

    The younger you are, the better it is to go the entrepreneurship route. Less to lose, and a lot more time to implement what you’ve learned.

  82. Alison Wiley says 11 July 2009 at 13:02

    I spent 12 years as an entrepreneur, and like you, J.D., I liked the challenge and creativity but missed having daily social contact. Two of the most popular pieces on my blog are the advice I’ve written for entrepreneurs (the tips I wish someone had given me). Hope they’re helpful to the many good folks considering self-employment: http://www.diamondcutlife.org/top-ten-tips-for-entrepeneurs-part-i/

    and http://www.diamondcutlife.org/top-ten-tips-for-entrepreneurs-part-ii/

  83. Cyllya says 11 July 2009 at 14:59

    I think everyone should think of themselves as self-employed. You are a company of one employee, yourself, and your service is to contract that employee’s labor out to others. Your employer is your customer. More detail courtesy of Steve Pavlina:
    http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/11/you-are-self-employed/

    Two thoughts on the loneliness:
    1) For all society tries to treat us like we have some horrific mental illness, this is just more evidence for my belief that introverts are the lucky ones. Well, having the upsides of both would be ideal, but I wouldn’t want to be more at peace around others if it meant I couldn’t be at peace alone.

    2) Extroverts are probably better off in a different business than professional blogger. Not saying you should quit your blog job though :p

  84. Kevin@OutOfYourRut says 11 July 2009 at 15:14

    Cyllya–Crap that is deep…

  85. Karawynn @Pocketmint says 11 July 2009 at 17:05

    Tyler (#42, #52, #62)

    I don’t think anyone is saying that if you have a wonderful job that you love, you should give it up to be an entrepreneur. If I had access to a situation like that, I absolutely would keep it as long as they’d let me! However, the sad fact is that jobs like yours are the rare exception rather than the rule — even among software engineers. There are many reasons, but it’s rarely a matter of skill or dedication; I know plenty of bright, hard-working people in hellish jobs.

    The reason you’ll see so much coverage of entrepreneurship among the personal finance and personal development community is not because anyone thinks it’s the morally superior choice, but because the ‘day jobs’ are a source of anguish for many more people than they are a source of support. Obviously this doesn’t apply to you, and no reason why it should.

    You have the best of both worlds, it sounds like, and I am glad for you even as I envy it. Be kind to those of us who must make a harder choice. 🙂

  86. Beth says 11 July 2009 at 17:24

    I’m in an odd position — I’m a telecommuter. I don’t have the control over my life that I would if I was self-employed, and I don’t have the socialization and participation I would if I was in an office. (There isn’t room for me to work there).

    I’ve learned what works for me and what doesn’t, but the economy is making it very hard to make a switch. I’m hoping to use this time now to gear up for my next big step so I’ll be ready when the time comes.

  87. Clafo50 says 11 July 2009 at 17:41

    Entrepreneurship does not necessarily equate to working alone. When I first started out, I more or less did freelance work. That was pretty lonely, and I became spacey and disorganized without any interaction. But then I figured out how to expand what I did into a real business, and hired employees to help. That woke my head up and motivated me. It’s really fun to work with smart people and still get to make the big decisions and steer the course for everyone.

    Maybe you should be thinking of new ways to grow and exploit your blogging business, JD. Create a community of like-minded employees to assist? Less sole ditch digging (i.e. writing) and more time as a manager/visionary/enabler helping others produce and disseminate your educational material? In short, can you leverage the talents of others to help grow what you’ve started? You have got a brand now…why not run with it?

  88. Chett says 11 July 2009 at 18:39

    JD,

    If you don’t subscribe to Inc magazine, you should. On page 33 of this month’s issue there is a section where people can write in and ask seasoned professionals questions about running a business and life. The advice given to a 17 year old who recently sold a website for $100,000, but felt like he had missed out on and given up so much of what he loved. He said in the article, “I’m not a happy kid,” and asked if he was stupid to walk away from the projects that helped him net so much money at such a young age, and just focus on college and the recreation activities that brought him fulfillment.

    The advice given by Norm from Inc magazine seemed fitting for this discussion. His reply in closing was, “Think about the kind of life that will really make you happy. Business should help create a happy life, not be a substitute for it.”

  89. Funny about Money says 12 July 2009 at 06:24

    LOL! One of my editors used to say that the beauty of freelancing is that you can choose the hours you work: any 18 hours of the day!

  90. Phil Yarnall says 12 July 2009 at 07:55

    I’ve been running my graphic design studio for 17 or so years, in several different setups. I started working from my apartment with a biz partner, which we quickly outgrew, then got an office in NYC, which was great for many years, but as rents rose higher and commuting became an added expense, we pulled back and got a small office space in the burbs, which worked fine, but was a bit too much isolated time with the partner. Finally, he left (after taking some liberties with our corporate card that I won’t get into right now) and I’ve found myself working from home for the past 2 years…

    And I love it. It’s the perfect setup for me as I hated workin’ for the man and now have so much more time with my kids and my wife handles the financial end of the business (i think i can trust her).

    Working from home isn’t for everyone, as the isolation for some can be deafening for some….but I like it. I certainly don’t miss office politics, commuting, missing the train, expensive office rentals, etc.

    Getting out during the day is essential, no matter how busy I am. whether it’s a “business” lunch with the mrs. or just going out for coffee and dropping checks at the bank, it definitely helps to see other humans.

    I’ve also found the whole blogging thing and facebook and that sort of thing at least helps keep contact with people which is essential….but, when you can (if you have time) meet with clients in person. Too much is done these days in the name of convenience with email and the internet, and it’s nice to discuss a project in person over lunch or wherever. The occasional trip into the city really helps inspire and break up the week.

    Only big problem for me is no being able to stop working. When dinnertime rolls around, you gotta step back, eat with the family and enjoy the reasons you work at home…for yourself!

    http://www.smaydesign.com/
    http://smayboy.blogspot.com/

  91. Shambolam says 12 July 2009 at 20:21

    I don’t know what it is with my family but there is some gene, handed down by my father, that compels each one of us to seek a more entrepenuerial vocation. I have 4 siblings and not a one of them works for someone else. I myself am desperately trying to accomplish that again.

    Yes, I have had my own business before. Two in fact. I ran both out of my house, and I agree that the hardest part was that I am a very social person and didn’t have the interraction that the workplace offers. In the first business I was golfing every day by one in the afternoon just to meet people.

    I also want to write for a living but the point of it is to attain the freedom to be able to ‘work’ from wherever I choose to live, or vacation. Then… the balancing act begins… I can now drive 200+ yards… and for a 45 year old women that aint too bad!

  92. DDFD at Defensive-Entrepreneurship says 12 July 2009 at 22:20

    I agree their is a spectrum– pure entrepreneurs on one end and non-entrepreneurs/employees on the other. Most of us fall somewhere inbetween.

    You need to figure out where you fall and act accordingly.

  93. LC says 13 July 2009 at 03:20

    Entrepreneurship also gives flexibility and excitement in the everyday work that sometimes one can find to be mundane when working for someone else. However, with that excitement, also comes the stress of high cost self paid health insurance, roller coaster paychecks, and the timely filing of IRS forms.

  94. Allyson says 13 July 2009 at 08:32

    I’m half self employed. I have a part time office job in the mornings, then go home, make myself a lovely lunch, and launch in to blogging, writing patterns, coordinating classes and my students, marketing my classes and blog! I teach knitting and crochet classes, write patterns, etc. I love every second of it. I get out of working for myself as much as I put into it, and I put in a ton of work. I wouldn’t want to be doing anything else.

  95. Tony Lawrence says 13 July 2009 at 08:36

    I’ve been self employed most of my life.

    High cost health insurance? I have to laugh when I hear that. Compared to other expenses, that’s pretty minor. Even for a family plan, it shouldn’t cost more than what you’ll earn in 2-3 hours per week. Why people think otherwise baffles me.

    Roller coaster paychecks? That usually comes from bad business models. If you design a boom and bust business, you’ll have boom and bust paychecks. Design a smart business plan and you’ll have stable and dependable income – maybe not in the very first year, but soon after. If you don’t have stability five years out, you are doing something wrong. Visit my website and read the “Retainers” article.

    No, self employment isn’t for everyone. Some people need structure, some people need teams and just aren’t fit to be leaders. But a lot more COULD be self employed and should be.

  96. Caitlin says 13 July 2009 at 09:11

    Thanks for highlighting my comment, J.D.! ^_^

    @Chemjobber – High fives for science!

    As the molecular biologist in question, I do find myself agreeing with “Someone” (comment 16) about the language. “Not cut out for” does often imply a shortcoming. The general populace often seems to see “Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur” as a fine thing to say, but “Not everyone is cut out to be a quantum physicist” as elitist and derogatory to the average person.
    I don’t work for someone else because I like working for someone else, or because I’m not fit to be a leader, I work for someone else because it’s generally not practical to do the work I love on your own. Aside from the astronomical start-up costs of a lab, how many people would trust a woman working out of her home to do their paternity test, or to run the tests to tell them if they or a loved one have cancer or not, or the tests to see if the donor heart that just came available is a match for their ailing father?

    I love how the tone of the article, and the tone of the comments is very neutral. People here are passionate about whichever side they are on (or want to be on), but they recognize that both types of people exist, and need to exist. The grass is always greener, as they say, but it’s good to see so many commenters working toward the one they feel is right for them.

    My ideal Financial Independence is having enough money to retire super early – but instead of retiring, I’d like to keep doing what I love. My life goal is not to amass enough money to stop working, my life goal is to amass enough money to work on what I please and fund cutting-edge scientific research while I’m at it.

  97. Pamela Slim says 13 July 2009 at 19:10

    Hey JD!

    Sorry to jump in so late to this great discussion.

    I think we all cause ourselves a lot of grief by idealizing one form of employment or another. I don’t think there is any perfect work configuration, since there are so many variables in both being an employee or an entrepreneur.

    If the focus is instead on what work you are doing (content) with whom (clients, co-workers, managers, partners), how (over Internet, live interaction), why you do it (meaning, purpose) and where (at home, in office, location independent), then you can tweak different variables when one thing isn’t working.

    In your example, it sounds like the “what” is going pretty well, but the “who” (great readers of course, but you work mainly by yourself) and how (working from home without a lot of social interaction) is getting you down.

    I also see it as a natural stage of business growth, when your part-time gig matures into full-time, and the nature of the biz changes.

    In my own case, after 13 years, I cannot imagine working for someone else. The thought grips my heart with terror for some reason. But that is just me – there are plenty of others who float between employee and business owner/freelancer status and are perfectly happy.

    NO work configuration can make you totally happy in the end. You make yourself happy, then choose work that will keep you in that state. 🙂

  98. Richby30Retireby40Blog says 14 July 2009 at 07:35

    If I could work for myself, I would. But, it’s too risky to leave. This is probably the most common response on earth.

    A good balance is probably to work in an establishment for a while… say 10-15 years, save up some money, and then go strike it out on your own.

    Or, you can try it first right out of school and get it out of your system.

    Either way, if you never try either, you’ll always be wondering. Hence, I will try it out one day!

    Rgds,

    RB

  99. Matt says 14 July 2009 at 22:41

    I agree with how something you love as a happy loses some of its luster when it becomes a job. As someone who strives to put the professional life behind to run a business such as professional blogging or some other business I have experienced similar feelings. I also agree that everyone is not meant to be self-employed but I do feel it is truely the only way to achieve sustainable wealth. There are very few professions that pay enough to retire with significant wealth. I suppose if you are just looking to be comfortable then you may be able to do so but the cost of living and health care has even made that difficult to impossible now. Either way, keep the good stuff coming.

    Matt

  100. Everything Counts says 20 July 2009 at 11:40

    Motivation is the driving force behind any of our venture. Without it there is simply no passion for achieving success.

  101. portlander says 07 August 2009 at 22:28

    I don’t typically post comments on blogs, but felt compelled due to the nature of this post.

    I work for myself as an online direct response advertiser (or affiliate marketer) and have for the past 6 months. It’s a dream come true, leme tell you!

    I held a marketing position at a big corp right after college for 8 months and it was *not* fun. I hated working for someone, hated the cube, and I just felt like I was underachieving.

    I moved quickly into working for myself and have NOT looked back.

    I’ll make 10X my previous income (~500k) this year and I have unlimited freedom. No customers, no products, no inventory, nothing. just trading money for more money. I do put in hard hours, but i love it and find it addicting.

    Lonliness isn’t a big problem, I work from home and get out during the day for lunch and hang with friends on weekends and happy hour or whatever. Being an introvert has its plus sides i guess.

    I push myself really hard and it does get stressful, but that minor pain is so little compared to my rewards (Freedom + Money)

    High cost of health insurance? I also laugh at this – go get a quote, it’s pennys on the dollar compared to what you can make with an unlimited income.

    I wish others could find a passion like mine and also make a high income, cuz the combination is truly amazing.

    I’m a little surprised to hear some other self-employed ppl saying they went back to working for someone, but some business models require lots of attention and are hard to scale.

    You can work for yourself, not work insane hours, retire early (like 30), and have unlimited freedom. It’s possible! Don’t let the “tire kickers” tell you different.

    Best of luck

  102. RB @ RichBy30RetireBy40 says 08 August 2009 at 14:31

    Wow Portlander, 500K is A LOT of money if all you have to do is work in online affiliate marketing!!! Seriously, that would be a dream come true b/c of the freedom you have. I make a good coin too, but have to work for a firm.

    To be able to work online, and make over 100K/yr doing it would be the best retirement job at 40 possible.

    You’ll have to share with us how you do it!

    Best,

    RB
    RB30RB40

  103. Robert says 11 August 2009 at 19:28

    Great post. I’ve worked soley for myself, I’ve worked soley for a company and I’m doing a mix of both right now. I think you’re right…there are pros and cons to both…I think it’s a wash. Learn how to become an owner…learn how to make passive income…internet marketer…learn those secrets and read those books and test those practices for a few years until you can earn money doing that. I’m on a relentless road to escape both my 9-5 and my own web design, IT services business. I love helping people, but I want to do it on my own terms, while earning passive income monthly! I’ve seen too many, know too many, and been too close to think this is some sort of dream!

  104. Omar says 23 August 2009 at 21:41

    I’m a Freelance Writer and a temp worker. I want to quit my temp job so I can write full time. The fluctuating income can cause anxiety. Today, a person has to have more than one source of income. Jobs aren’t guaranteed. If you don’t have a 9 to 5 you always have to hustle to find the next well paying gig.

  105. Victoria says 10 October 2009 at 11:32

    I have a huge background in music. I sing, I act. I even play the violin and piano a bit. However, I have a day job in an opera company and I am really thinking about turning it into a career. Being a singer/actress/musician is definitely being self employed… you are constantly auditioning, passing out your card, trying to practice more, etc. I have dabbled with private teaching, but private teaching frustrates me a bit. So many musicians private teach. It almost seems like a scam. I’m currently trying to figure out where I fit the best. I consider myself to be very creative and don’t always fit “inside” the box. I’m hoping to have a bit of both self-employment and be an employee.

  106. Anonymous says 24 March 2010 at 11:47

    This was a great read! I’ve been thinking about going into the world of self-employment, and it’s always great to hear some experienced voices. I’ve also been following another blogger that’s self-employed. She’s a COO of a personal finance site and is constantly dealing with the struggles of a work-family balance. So if any of my fellow readers are interested, you should check it out! http://blog.greensherpa.com/index.php/personal-finance/pitfalls-of-personal-finance-confessions-of-a-mom-entrepreneur-part-1/

  107. Joe says 07 October 2011 at 07:32

    I am an entrepreneur.
    I’d rather be an employee.

  108. James says 26 June 2012 at 18:00

    Im 18, i have a online SEO website, i have been making about 10-20k a month now for the past 6 months. I left college after my first semester due to the time and stress running my business takes. 1 year ago i would have only dreamed to make it this far but now that im here its really not that great. I miss sweeping floors and talking to co-workers.

  109. Helen says 19 December 2012 at 16:08

    I am a recent graduate and I found that I would rather work 60-100 hours a week on a business then to let my life go by at an office with unhealthy people. My industry is a service kind where you have to move to where ever they need you. My mom is old and she needs me to help her. I cant imagine working far away and only come home for limited time. What I found valuable is not a nice car, house, etc but the time with people you care and do things you enjoy. I am really proud because I think my business has values and can impact people . I also have a business partner and interns so I feel valued and also get to interact and mentor others. I found that I am able to connect more with industry experts because being a founder/owner put you in a different mindset. 😉

  110. Lenard says 08 February 2013 at 19:21

    For me job opportunities come and go. I am a web designer and i love my job.

    Our boss will be happy seeing this article that we work hard for them. But thinking of it. Why work so hard on something you love yet your goals and dreams in life are just left in dreams. And your dreams can easily be acquired by your bosses.

    Anyone with any career, should know how to sell. Not a physical product but everyone should know how to sell his service, product etc.

    Because in times of economic downtime, we can’t always rely on a capped salary.

    I always think of leveraging business while doing nothing. I always think how investing(money) could work for me. And not work hard to someone for money.

    I always think of an “Idea” that Steve Jobs, Mark z did changed their lives.

    The world is too big to build businesses, i don’t want to make it too small to succeed.

    We only live once, why not make the best of it.

  111. sophie says 13 November 2013 at 00:25

    Micro-businesses are popping up everywhere, but not all have sustainability. Mine may not either, but I’m digging and scratching my way there. I suppose the most important element of why I like being in business for myself is that I have the freedom not only to set my own schedule, but also to work with my client. I don’t have to “call and ask.”

  112. ray says 02 June 2014 at 18:23

    you pay more taxes being a self-employed and you are working hard alone, without the work, you may end up being a homeless or maybe just broke. Big business tend to pay less than by a self employed. Owners or founders of big business tend to work 10% and 90% income and you are the opposite.

    Being an employee pays a little tax compared to a self employed where you pay taxes more than the employee. So they may earn equal for some reason.

    I dont know why there is still school in my generation because we are in the age of “information age”. Even little kids can now make a business into a company by searching on internet. Check on google, you will find some kid entreprenuer who have BIG business or company.

    You get a lot of risk when creating a company, even you are too because you are working ALONE.

    Yes, you have a retirement benefit, but how can you spend it?? Give it to your child or your grandchildren?

    Thats the question on why you need to be an employee, to gain expereience.

    When you are studying at school even COLLEGE, you just forgot most of what you studied. But when you do it or work for it, you gain knowledge and become specialized on it.

    So thats why OJTs are very important, so why we need to study some of the basics that we can learn in internet or even in our secondary school.

    Academics are important but experiences is what it must.

    in order to make big business you need more SKILLS not talents but they can use to if you have the things you want.

    you fail and fail making a business that why we learn more about it.

    college teaches us how to not commit mistakes. HOw can you learn in the REAL WOrld without making mistakes.

    This is my motivational thing for you on why we need lots of entrepreneurs.

    Entreprenueurs most primary goal is make stable and high quality jobs and money is your primary bonus.

    The world is being “GLOBALIZED” now.

    In the future we hope that many people have job.

    I dont know why we go to college just to get our DIPLOMA but some with diplomas have no jobs yet. DIploma is not important anymore and we forgot the things that the professors talked about in classroom.

    It is true? Yes.

  113. Ontrepreneur says 12 July 2014 at 16:42

    After the 2008 economic meltdown, I think that every person has now realized that ‘job security’ is a myth. But most people do not realize that entrepreneurship is not just a matter of operating a small business.

    I was self-employed for most of my adult life. I would not say that I was always an entrepreneur but rather a small business owner for the first decade of my working career.

    At one point I did consider full time employment. But learned to switch my mindset from the small business owner to an entrepreneur, more specifically an online entrepreneur. I eventually found the stability, consistency of income, flexible hours and security that I though could only be found in full time employment.

  114. Margaret says 29 July 2014 at 12:07

    What promted me to be self employed was to be able to be at home with my children and raise them. I did enjoy the time that I was on my own, but just recently started to feel that I needed to be out socializing so opted to seek employment outside the home now that all my children are grown.

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