Ask the Readers: What If Your High-Paying Job Makes You Miserable?
Published on - October 17th, 2009 (by J.D. Roth) On Thursday, I featured a guest post from Free Money Finance that proved to be surprisingly controversial. His five steps to six figures in seven years offered solid common-sense career advice for those looking to boost their incomes. Many readers disliked the post. (Though they didn’t hate it as much as FMF’s previous guest article.)
Though I don’t share all of your complaints, I do think some of you made an excellent point: Just as money is more about mind than it is about math, so too a rewarding career is more about personal fulfillment than it is about raking in big bucks. I agree that I’d rather work at a low-paying job that I loved than make $100,000 a year at a job I hated. I’d rather be happy than rich.
In response to FMF’s post on Thursday, Mike wrote to share his predicament. He’s hoping GRS readers can help him decide what to do:
I feel like I am at a crossroad in my career, and I truly don’t know what to do.
I am 31, married, and have two young children. My wife is well respected in her field and has a good salary; she likes what she’s doing, and has opportunities for advancement. We have a pretty hefty mortgage, but it is totally manageable with our current income stream. We also have a considerable monthly cost for day care. Overall, our financial situation is decent and improving.
Anyhow, those things aren’t the issue. The issue is me. I am in the IT field, but it is just not something I’m passionate about. My job pays well — $75,000 a year — but I am on call a lot and work a lot of hours that go un-noticed. I dread getting up and going into the office. My fear is that if I try to switch careers now, I won’t be making that much money. I’m not as happy as I used to be doing this type of work.
Part of my problem is that I don’t know what I want to be when I grow up. I really enjoy working with my hands, and I am very handy. I have remodeled homes (mine, my parents, and some friends) and I have done some commercial construction projects (in-laws used to own a property management company).
I am just looking for something that drives me right now. I can honestly say that I am not a good leader, almost like I need someone to be a mentor to me, as I have never really had that. I am willing to work hard, and I know I would have the support of my wife and family with whatever choice I make. I just can’t justify leaving a good paying job right now without having a clue as to what I want to do next.
I need some help.
Mike’s situation is far from unique. In fact, I get e-mails like this all the time. There are many people who feel trapped in jobs that they hate, but who cannot quit because of the financial implications. What’s the solution?
The first — and most difficult — step is to find out what it is you really want to do. What would make you happy? (And how can you be sure?) In researching my book, I’ve learned that meaningful work is one of the keys to personal fulfillment. Research shows that if you have a job that matches your personal values, you’re much more likely to be happy than if you’re doing something you find meaningless. But it can take a lot of soul-searching to determine what exactly “meaningful work” is for you.
I also think it’s important to reduce your lifestyle as much as possible in order to give yourself flexibility in your job search. The lower your expenses are, the more options you have. If your lifestyle costs $10,000 a month, your family needs to earn at least that much (more, after taxes) in order to maintain it. But if your lifestyle costs just $5,000 a month (or, better yet, $3,000 a month), you have a much wider range of career options.
In our e-mail discussion with Mike, FMF offered some good advice:
Is it really the IT field that you hate or something else? Maybe it’s the company you’re working at or the people you’re working with. Maybe it’s the aspect of IT you’re working in (for instance, you may hate database management but end up loving web security — or something else if you tried it.) Or maybe it’s the industry you’re in. Perhaps you’d be fulfilled as an IT consultant working on various projects for clients rather than trapped with one company doing the same thing over and over.
There are lots of factors to consider and I highly recommend you think about the various options before you ditch the career (and the valuable asset) you’ve built over the past several years.
I know that some people argue that a job isn’t something to be loved. Work is work and you should treat it as such. I don’t agree. I’ve had jobs I hated, and I’ve had jobs I loved. I believe it’s absolutely worth sacrificing income to find work that is meaningful and fulfilling.
But how much should you sacrifice? And how do you find this meaningful, fulfilling work? What steps should Mike take to change his situation so that he’s no longer miserable? And how does the current economy affect his options? If you were in Mike’s shoes, what would you do?
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When I was still in debt, or actually, not where I wanted to be financially, I stayed in a job that I did not like becaause it paid me well and allowed me to get out of debt faster.
If faced with the same situation again, I would probably do the same. Any stress or unhappiness associated with a job I didn’t like paled in comparision to all of the baggage that came along with financial instability. Of course, as soon as I was close to my financial goals, I got out
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One of the biggest challenges you face early on (or at any time in life I guess) is that your passions don’t always line up properly with your earning potential.
Take my interest in Art History for example. As much as I love it, there is simply no real way for me to make a good living doing it.
Another possibility is to find a way to earn a living that doesn’t eat up a tremendous amount of your time. Many of us could handle doing something we didn’t necessarily like if we only had to do it for 3-5 hours a day instead of 8-12 hours a day.
That shorter day gives us much more time to pursue the things we are *really* passionate about in life, while still finding a way to “bring home the bacon”!
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Mike is being responsible. He’s thinking about what he should do next. He’s asking for advice. He didn’t quit his job suddenly. He’s being thoughtful about it and considering all his obligations.
Sometimes you get to that point, though, where you just can’t do it one more day, for whatever reason. Maybe you just realize this is not what you thought life would be like when you were dreaming about being a grown up when you were still a kid. Maybe the little sacrifices you made, one at a time, in order to squeeze your square self into the round hole of your job just wore you down too much.
Mike, you owe it to yourself to explore your options just as you are doing, thoughtfully and responsibly. But explore you must. Maybe the exploring itself will waken you to all kinds of possibilities that you didn’t even know were out there or within you, even.
I believe that there is a quality to life. And it lies within the balance of faith, family, and work. Wouldn’t it be grand if you and your wife could find a lifestyle that gave you more time with each other and your kids and you both had jobs you love and maybe they were part-time or flex-time or tele-commuting?
At the end of the day (really, I mean the end of our lives) it’s not what we do with our lives but how we conduct ourselves on a daily basis that people remember us for. And I believe that what we remember about ourselves are all the relationships we enjoyed throughout our lives.
One of the most memorable people I ever knew was an elderly widow who worked at our local pharmacy as a clerk. She was always kind and thoughtful and had a word of good cheer for everyone. Her funeral was attended by hundreds of people who loved her. Her daughter said, “This is Mom’s favorite bible verse: Rejoice and be glad in it for this is the day the Lord has made.” And she did live that way. I guess she had found the balance of faith, and family, and work that filled her needs. We should all be so fortunate.
I know this is a column about money but quality of life and money just seem to intersect here.
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Wow! So many comments!
Well, I have just, thankfully, been let go from a job I hated, working for yet another paranoid egomaniac! I’ve worked as administrative assistant / office manager/ office girl in various industries and companies, both large and small, for a good 20 years. The universe consistently puts really awful bosses in front of me, and this time I finally took the hint.
My new career will be completely different! I’m going to open a ladies kickboxing franchise in my own town in Sept 2010. How did I think of it? Well, it took two people who are close to me and know me well to suggest it. When my husband actually asked me: Why don’t you open a Kix 4 Chix? http://www.kix4chix.ca All I could say was: Yeah, why don’t I?
We started making lifestyle changes awhile ago, when he decided to become a real estate agent. He’s still studying. I’ve been making plans and training quietly in the hopes that the boss wouldn’t fire me for being disloyal, but he let me go this week anyway. I’m confident I’ll find another job, probably at lower pay, and I’m excited that I can be honest with them about my future plans. And I am super excited that I’ll get to run such a great business and help women, and stay fit, and get to use all those administrative skills just a little, but get to *move* every day! Far too exciting!
So, my advise to Mike is to talk to lots of people you know. Maybe someone will say something that will get you thinking about a career you’ve never thought about. There will be something that, every single time you picture yourself doing that job, you’ll smile. Your whole being will smile. And once you figure that out, just keep thinking it, stay open to the ideas that come to you and don’t worry!
To all of you in difficult places – you can get out! Keep positive and keep dreaming!
Hugs and butterflies,
~PC~
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JD made a great point in the post that I would recommend Mike take to heart as a first step. Reduce your expenses. Mike has a hefty mortgage, by his own words. This makes me think that he is perhaps living above his means and that part of his unhappiness is due to his reliance on his paycheck and in feeling trapped in his job. If you can, Mike, downsize the house, and limit your expenses as much as possible as a first step. Maybe see if your employer can give you part-time contract work at a higher pay while you make your career transition during the rest of the week. Not easy things to do – but definitely all possible.
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Fascinating discussion. I’m a college professor – interestingly, I teach in IT! Sole breadwinner, ADORE my career which I stumbled into, but am realizing I don’t like my job for a number of reasons. But there’s just not a lot of positions in my field (or any field, I think) out there. We have a mortgage and hefty student loans, but that’s it. I haven’t been sure of my path, but based on this conversation, I’ve gotten some more thoughts together on what I want to do.
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Hi Mike,
I was in the same exact situation as you. Working in the interactive/online media field – miserable, unmoved/dispassionate, jaded, demoralized and just wanting to leave. I’ve felt this way for the first 6 years on my career. It was tough to give up as I was also earning really good money that I didn’t think I’d find elsewhere.
However, something changed in the last year. It was leadership.
It’s not leadership on my part, but a change of manager and team/dept. I was moved to another department with a different manager. It’s amazing how much your life can change under the right leadership and mentorship. Everything suddenly made sense to me – what we’re here for in the company, what our goals were, where we are headed towards, and how we were doing against our goals. It made me feel like my contributions mattered and it was important. I was there for a purpose in the team and it contributed to the success of our product.
All I am saying is that, before you leave your career completely, see if you can get yourself in a new company or department (one that is more of a tightly run ship and that is more in line with your values and beliefs). Having the right manager and team can do wonders in your life at work. It has for me.
Good luck!
Jennifer
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Comment #52, I like your line of thinking. hmm…
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I would tell my story about switching careers but it sounds a lot like the story of Mike and many other posters. Instead I wanted to share a tool I created on Excel to compare the numbers on income and salary to make the leap a little easier.
I left a job that paid more than twice what I make now, but I have more time for my family now, and overall am happier. I did exactly what others here are suggesting. I stuck it out while I hated my job and dabbled in the things that interested me. Then I put numbers to the new profession to see how it would impact my families lives.
I have posted the link to my website only to share the file to an excel spreadsheet that I created for this exact purpose. Looking at an income at a job that pays well and crunching the numbers to see what my pay would look like somewhere else.
Here is the link to the site http://www.5k5k.org
(Sorry for plugging the site J.D. I didn’t know how else to share the file.)
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wow. lots of in-depth answers. I am currently switching from IT to finance. I did some personality tests, took some classes and am now looking for a job in the new field.
Anyhow, I’d first talk to your spouse. Sometimes talking it out will help you see whether you don’t like the work or just the company you are currently at as well as gauge what type of emotional support you’ll get. Or maybe the handy-work is a good hobby and just a switch to security or development or DB or just a switch to a small company would scratch the itch.
You mentioned a hefty mortgage and liking to work w/ your hands. Do you have enough set aside to work on weekends on a smaller fixer-upper to move into (reduce mortgage) and sell current house? …assuming not upside down on current house. Another idea to see if you like fixing up/selling houses is to partner w/ someone that has done that. I know my dad has fixed up several houses and sold for profit (and ones that couldn’t sell, rented out until market picked up)
I know I’m giving up a good salary and will be making very little the next 3-5 yrs. (and I have 2 little ones), but should move up after then and hopefully surpass what I was making.
Good luck
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The first thing I would do is clarify exactly why you don’t like the type of work you’re doing as much anymore.
1. Is it the “on-call” status?
2. Is it the lack of acknowledgement for the extra hours you put it?
3. Is it boredom with what you’re doing?
Would remedying one of those things make it better, or is it going to take all 3?
You can remedy the first two by going to work for a different company. Another commenter mentioned the mandated 40 hour week for government jobs in the discussion of the FMF guest post. I have a friend who works for a government contractor, and they have the mandated 40 hour work week also. She is in IT, and if she hits 40 hours at 10 a.m. on Friday, it’s time to go home, and it is enforced. There are IT jobs that don’t require you to be on-call all the time.
The third one can be remedied in a number of ways. Are there other jobs within your company that have a different IT focus? Are there courses you can take in an IT specialty that interests you? The courses can meet your need for more fulfillment now and lead to another career avenue that will be more satisfying in the future.
FWIW – I don’t know if your involvement in construction was as a hobby or as a part-time job before you entered your current field, but I would recommend you keep it as a hobby. Volunteer with Habitat for Humanity or some other worthy organization. I can tell you from co-owning a construction business for 20 years that enjoying working with your hands for friends and family and doing it as a job are two different worlds. Once you have to worry about constantly finding new projects to make money and trying to get paid by builders and homeowners, a lot of the enjoyment disappears. It becomes a job like any other job, and you’ll soon find you’re not as happy doing it any more.
I work in IT, and I find that a lot of my enjoyment comes in keeping it fresh by doing new things and always learning. I find that I get bored doing the same thing after about 3 years max so I have to change it up somehow. Best wishes as you figure how to do that in the best way for you and your family!
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I wonder if this person could do IT part time while he gains experience in the career he thinks he might like to pursue?
I left a fairly high-paying job to become a social worker. When I was trying to decide what I wanted to be when I “grew up” I volunteered in the type of job I wanted while still working at my day job. When I knew I wanted to do it for sure, I left my job to take a lowly, underpaid position in social service, just to build my experience so I could go to grad school and get the type of job I wanted. It would have been a big risk if I hadn’t already taken the time to make sure I liked the work.
I now have a job that that pays only 32k, and $50k in grad school debt. I don’t have a very expensive lifestyle though, and I love my job – LOVE my job. I also have a small home business that I love to run that also brings in some income. I’m paid years ahead on my loans and have a good chunk in savings, because I live beneath my means. If I’d already had a mortgage when I changed careers, I would have felt trapped too.
I may be an extreme example but I do think you can make big life changes like this while being perfectly reasonable and systematic – you don’t have to give in to that cliche of throwing caution to the wind and losing your shirt trying to do something you “love.”
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Tim, I think you’re too quick to diagnose Mike’s problem as needing attention. You really don’t think it can make a difference to us what we do for our job? For me (I’ve had about 25 jobs) the most important thing is to do something that I believe is important. It’s not about other people noticing what I’m doing, but about me believing that the job is worth what I sacrifice to do it.
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Thanks for this post. I often work with people in similar situations, and what I find much of the time is that, although they say they don’t know what they want, on some level they actually do — they simply don’t feel like they have a safe, nonjudgmental environment to reveal it in — instead they feel surrounded by people who will judge and criticize. If we just find a compassionate, non-judging listener, I’ve found, often all these desires come spontaneously pouring out of us.
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IT jobs that suck usually are infrastructure jobs. If possible move from systems management to programming. The infrastructure jobs typically are loaded with stress and underappreciation.
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Just wanted to comment and say thanks for all the great ideas that have been posted. I have jotted several of them down to think about/take action on. I have been losing waaay to much sleep over my job lately and for the first time the other night (morning, actually, it was 3 am and as usual my head was spinning with the responsibilites of my job) I knew I had to make a change.
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Mike,
I have two kids, a house, and am the sole money-maker. I work with people I despise in IT, making same amount as you. It is my responsibility to take care of my family financially, as Wife is a SAHM. I know my work is not appreciated. I am needed; not wanted. I do the job because I have to. I am working on paying off mortgage (only debt left). Once that occurs, I can focus on moving to another position. Facts of life can be harsh, but make the most of it. If wishes were fishes, I’d have a pond full. Work hard now and see what else you can do on your own time. Build that into something more, and when you are financially viable to leave your job, then leave. Until then, focus on building your future and providing for your family. Enjoy the time you have with the family, as that is the fuel to get through the work days. For me, I see the smile on my girls face when she does ballet, and I know that the job I do is paying for that.
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Not helpful, but as one of the many embittered unemployed, my first instinct is to say “Thank the heavens you have a job, and quit whining.”
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If you do not enjoy the job, move on to something that you will enjoy. It’s not healthy doing something that you do not like. Eventually you will quit as you will not be able to continue doing something you hate for the rest of your life. However if you do not have another job lined up well suck it up and continue to work until you do. At the end of the day you need to continue to earn.
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@63: nope, i don’t think so, based on the word choices he made. he’s not alone, most people just don’t feel they are acknowledged, get credit for, etc. we live in an attention whore society. why else is twitter, FB, blogging, myspace, youtube, etc so popular? We want to be heard and acknowledged. the fact is, the vast, vast majority of us will never make the news, never be “famous”, never actually see any reward for the effort we do. That’s the problem. Mike simply finds his job unrewarding for whatever reason, and it isn’t necessarily the work itself. focus on the real problem.
you have had over 25 jobs? that seems like a commitment issue, not doing something you believe in, because you can do one thing all your life if it is truly something you believe in. to me, changing jobs is just an excuse. i don’t buy that you are altruistic. you need feedback to verify that you are doing something meaningful. we all do. in of itself, “meaningful” means your desire that someone has acknowledged your work.
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This post hits home hard with me. I am in medicine and just finished a grueling residency that averaged 70 hr work weeks full of weekend, night, and holiday calls. Though that is behind me, I shudder at the thought of continuing on this path for another 30-40 years. Healthcare in this country is a mess right now- malpractice threats, increased workloads, declining reimbursements, LONG hours, being on call, malignant personalities, life and death decisions, tons of paperwork…need I go on? With the passage of time, my discontent with the medical field has only grown more and more to the point where I want out. My plan is to be out of medicine within a few years as soon as my six digit student loans are payed off and I have a small cushion built up to allow me to downshift to a much less stressful, enjoyable career. I have been living WAY below my means to hasten this process. I will take a 75K job that I love than work a job paying 150K that consumes my life anyday. Money can be like a drug where you can easily let the pursuit of it steal away your precious time left on this earth. We need to realize when enough is enough and appreciate what we have or otherwise work ourselves to an early grave. I realize this more than ever after spending nearly a decade in medicine. I yearn to be free again.
-medicinesux
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How many people at a funeral say “I wish he’d spent more time at the office?”
It’s important to figure out what ones family needs(NEEDS, mind you),and make sure whatever employment one chooses meets this goal. It’s probably best in the long term to find something that engages one personality and mind, because doing anything utterly repugnant is contrary to human nature, and will lead to bad stuff somewhere in the mind and/or body….but beyond that I’ve found a sense of perspective has been my best tool for dealing with issues of job dissatisfaction. When I’ve had a bad day, I do the same thing I do on a good day- go home and tell my wife and kids that I love them.
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Mike is still focusing on money, as he tries to create an equation to solve his problem. They are really two separate questions.
First he needs enough clarity and quiet from his anxiety gallery, to consider what he wants and is good at. This will be a shortish list.
Only then does the money issue enter, and as one of several equally important factors, for example, training required (time and cost), geography, potential satisfaction. He considers the list
I highly recommend aptitude testing before any career counseling. Check out the Johnson O’Connor and Rockport Institutes, among others.
Best of luck to Mike (and others with the same dilemma)–his kids need a happy dad, not a rich one!
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The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
I chased my dream and got it: I’m a sports reporter. I get paid to attend sporting events, interview coaches and athletes, and generally have a blast.
The downside: I make less than I made working as a burger manager to pay for college, probably less than almost any other college graduate. I’m expected to be available for work almost any time of any day. I can’t remember the last time I had a weekend off. As a newsroom employee, I’m not allowed to be involved in almost anything in the community or politics to prevent conflicts of interest. My industry is dying on the vine and there is no room for advancement, the constant threat of layoffs and roughly 100 applicants for every open job. 500 for the good ones.
I envy people who just have a boring 8-to-6 and an average-sized paycheck.
It’s always greener
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I completely agree with JD that it is essential to find a job that you enjoy. Until recently, I felt that it was somewhat self-indulgent and idealistic to believe I should look for a career that I really loved and felt was ideally suited to. However, I have recently changed my views on this; it seems to me now, after much thought on the subject, that in a competitive environment someone who is unenthusiastic about their job, and knows deep down that it is not right for them, is going to have a hard time competing long-term against others in their industry who have a true enthusiasm for it. (Quite apart from how soul-destroying it would be to try and do so…. ) I recently re-read “The Millionaire Mind” by Thomas Stanley and the message there that those who are financially successful tend to feel that their work is a vocation, and something they love, convinced me further that I should work towards finding my own ideal job.
In terms of practicalities – I think those have been covered by other comments, but I would say that the earlier you can make a change, the sooner you will be in a career that is right for you. Also, at this point in your life it will be easier to give up a good income than it might be later, when you are more accustomed to it and perhaps have greater financial commitments.
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Is it the work or is it the company? If the work is fun and rewarding, maybe it’s the people, the corporate culture, the structure… it can be a lot of things that would go away if he found the right company.
But if it’s the work itself, Mike should start exploring a new career altogether, while keeping his job and reducing his expenses. Does he need a house with “a hefty mortgage”? Can he downsize at all?
This sounds new-agey, but I truly believe that you can’t really make decisions like this (a career change) into a totally rational process with a balance sheet of pros and cons. I think the first thing would be is to really pay attention to his gut, take a deep breath, and then see what happens. I would also recommend that in this process he reads “Work Less, Make More” by Jennifer White which teaches you how to actually enable the things about your work that drive your passion to make you money too. (You might love macrame, but there’s not much of a market for it these days, is there?) I read this book and quit my job the next week (I was on the verge anyway). I am doing exactly the WORK that I love, but I abandoned the stuff that was driving me nuts about my JOB and now I’m totally happy.
In my life, so many times the opportunities and experiences that were the most rewarding were also the most surprising. But I somehow was lucky enough to trust the path I was on.
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I am in a similar area as Mike. I have been paying down the debt for the last 14 months, and we have chose to wait on selling our house. My family is growing, but my passion is not. I am the process of embracing change brought about by my action.
I thank you for the comments, many have helped me reinforce my heart’s desires.
I am currently reading 48 days to the work you love.
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There’s a lot that Mike could do to explore the idea of career change that comes BEFORE quitting his job: (1) “explore” other career fields, and (2) do some introspective exercises that clarify what he is good at, likes to do, what kind of environment stimulates him, etc. There are lots of ways to “explore” — I think the best is talking to people. Set up informational interviews (something I’m just figuring out how to do) with friends, contacts in different fields and ask people lots of questions about their job and career path. The second, the introspective work, can be guided through work with a career counsellor or reading books. I am in a group career coaching group – 8 women, 1 coach – and we do all sorts of exercises that help us isolate what we DO enjoy doing and what we have to offer. These are often writing exercises but also include things like: ask someone to tell you what they think your 3 biggest strengths are. I have learned that there are a lot of TRANSFERABLE skills that we often aren’t aware that we have and may help us cross career fields.
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I have asked some friends of mine if they like their jobs and most say no, they do it for the money. I would not want to be miserable for 30 years (before retirement) of my life just so I can drive a nice car and have a nice house, it would be pointless.
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What a mix of comments! I really like Josh’s post (#9). And sometimes it really is the job that you don’t like. I have my own story, but I will only add that what it took for me to quit my job and open my own business (in the same line of work) was confidence to believe that I could actually pull it off. I have three young kids and had the family health insurance. But with planning you can find a way. Working for someone on the weekends or going back to school for different training may just give you the confidence.
Mike, find what you love to do. It sounds like you have a supportive family, and this is doable! Yes, look at the finances, and you are going about this the responsible way. So you can be thankful that you have a job, but look at it as providing you income while you come up with your escape plan. I know from my experience that it will make your job bearable just beginning to formulate a plan. Congratulations!
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I also reached Mike’s dilemma in my mid 30s, and at the same time, was diagnosed with a chronic illness that is exacerbated by stress. I hated my job, hated the company I worked for, and hated the industy (it was a large HMO). The stress was literally making me ill. Truthfully, you won’t do well at something you hate doing.
Mike, you can make the change. It may not happen overnight, but you can do it, and as your personal fulfillment and happiness increases, so will that of your family. We do bring emotional baggage from work home with us.
I made some drastic changes, and now telecommute and only work 32-35 hours a week. I only earn $50k a year, as does hubby, but we live well within our means. I’m much happier for the change and I have virtually no work related expenses, no time lost to commuting, and minimal office politics.
I went through some scary moments during the transition, and did a lot of soul searching. I came up with a small side business that gives me joy and extra fun $$. Life is NOT about how much you earn – only 40% of the Dutch (or is it Danes) work full time, yet they are some of the happiest people on the planet.
Make a plan, set it in motion, make the timeline realistic. But don’t settle, and don’t let fear dictate your actions!
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I was able to discover what I loved to do early in my career, but only thanks in part to the wise words and input of a mentor.
This passion has taken me all over the world and money has never been an issue. The choices I have made along the way are not for everyone, but I am convinced that anyone can find meaning in their life and career if they choose in to the process.
How can I connect with Mike? I’d love to hear more of his story and encourage him along this way.
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I’m a software engineer, and I recently did not like my job, despite them paying me big bucks (~120k) at a huge, respected Internet company. The two factors that made me dislike my job were as follows:
1. My manager and I had a hard time communicating. He wasn’t a bad person, but from a different culture from my own, and the communication just did not flow. So even after he gave me excellent opportunities & a promotion, I still felt stuck.
2. My group was doing the same work over & over again. I need a change of pace. I didn’t feel like I was learning anything new or developing new skills.
So I approached another group in the company, spoke to the engineers that worked there about the manager, work environment, and what they did. I made a decision.
Now, no change is ever easy. Bringing this up to my current management, stand your ground when they promise “we have new opportunities coming up, you’re going to kick yourself in the head when you see what we’ll be doing”.
I switched groups, have a new excellent manager, and like (not love) my job, making the same as before.
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Hi, Mike –
No one can tell you if you’re being lazy or immature or super-responsible; your wife’s and your feelings on the matter are all that are important. When you’re married, you’re a team: you against anyone stupid enough to take you on.
Whatever you decide to do, for heaven’s sake, don’t worry about having her “carry” you unless she does; and if she does, find out if it’s a long-term issue or a short-term one. In other words, while she might be willing to be the primary wage earner for X period of time, or while you are achieving Y goal, she would feel uncomfortable after that. That’s what’s important, not “manning up” or “following your bliss.”
Anyway, I crashed and burned in IT many years ago; I waited until I HATED going to work every day then enrolled in school. A week before I left, something blew up in my face. I went from having an excellent reputation there to costing the company thousands with no chance to fix things before I left. Word to the wise: avoid this. It’s bad. If you feel your work ethic slipping, it’s a huge sign of impending burnout.
You don’t have to be passionate about your whole job, by the way. You might consider getting some personality and learning style testing done; it helped me clarify why some things in my life made sense and generated pleasure and others didn’t (even though I thought they should). This knowledge freed me to realize it’s OK that my career isn’t selling what I love to do; honestly, there isn’t actually anything I love so much that I want to do it all day. I’m not lazy, I just don’t have an avocation. So I sell my most marketable skill to an employer that values me in a field that gives me a lot of variety and independence.
That said, here’s a coping strategy that I have found really works. Every day have at least one meal together with your family. Then, while you’re all together, have everyone list five things they’re grateful for. And every day, you have to have five NEW things. Gratitude is one of the things that research shows increases happiness.
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I think that it’s important to have a job that you don’t hate, but at the same time (and I think you know this), you have to first think of your family’s well being. You don’t sound like you know what you want to do, so I think the first step is to figure that out. The sooner you figure this out, the sooner you will be out of the bad job. Like others suggested, try moving around in your company (if possible), or to another company, but still in the IT field. It might improve things drastically, or just enough to make your life more bearable while you continue to find what you really want to do.
When I got out of university I worked at a job that I hated PLUS had low pay. I had to get out, and I did after a few months. My current job pays very well and isn’t 100% my dream job, but I am EXTREMELY grateful to have it. It will enable me to pursue my dreams (build a company), and I am trying to excel at it. I learn valuable skills daily that will help me with my company.
Try to look at your job as a means to get where you really want to. It makes it a bit more bearable. Whenever I find myself not loving my current job, I remember just how bad my previous job was, and that the money I am making is helping me get to where I want to be in life.
Try to remember that no job will be perfect, though. You will always have some gripe – that’s just the way life is. Hell, even Paris Hilton and Bill Gates have bad days, right?
Starting a side business like some others have suggested is a good idea too, I think. You know you like to work with your hands, but can you make money off of it?
Don’t listen to people who say that you should suck it up for the rest of your days. Why should you? But at the same time, you did choose to go into IT, you did choose to have a family (etc.), so the consequences of your choices dictate that it probably isn’t a good idea to simply jump ship to a lower paying job without serious planning and consideration. I also wonder why it’s always the lose-lose would you rather scenario of “Would you rather be miserable at a high paying job or happy at a lower paying one?” – why not be happy at a high paying job? Who says you have to make a lot less at a new job?
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I’ve been in the same situation. I got an MBA, did all the right stuff, got my 6 figure income and then thought now what, and moreover I don’t like this. There are some good exercises to help in Nicholas Lore’s Pathfinder and believe it or not, Dale Carnegie’s How to Stop Worrying and Start Living. Bottom line is that the answer will not appear magically for most people, you have to work very hard to find it, and the more you look outside yourself, the more clear the path becomes. I went through a great deal of soul searching and practical exercises and concluded that I am basically in the right occupation but not always in the right environment. So I now try to ensure that I get placed effectively i.e the right projects in my particular context, and when I can’t make that work, I get up every day and think to myself ‘what do people value from me, what do they need from me’ and I make sure that I deliver it – while I continue to try to change my environment to something that I find stimulating. Good Luck and thank you for writing I think many people have the same sort of existential dilemma and getting it out in the open helps all of us.
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My husband was in a bit of a different situation. He quit a job that had a lot of power and prestige (newspaper editor) to earn his master’s degree so he could teach speech and communications classes at a community college. Many of our friends and family thought he was crazy – was throwing away his life – but he was miserable in his job. He pushed his way through graduate school in 1.5 years, and landed a job at a community college that allows him to work half as much for twice as much pay! It was a very good move for us.
Don’t worry about what other people think. Do what’s best for YOU!
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J.D. I look forward to hearing what he decides to do… may be in a couple of years.
Just to echo what others have said, and a little from my own experience.
Don’t quit your job just because you think you can, otherwise you find out too late that you the “can” was “cannot”.
From what you have shared, it appears to me that he does not have enough money saved up to live a couple of months without additional income? I think that’s one of the things that you encourage your readers to do. Get rid of debt (may be except mortgage), save up so that you have a nice emergency fund, etc. So, may be that should be his starting point. Once he gets to that point, get fired or quitting his job may not be as bad.
In the mean time, while saving for rainy day, intended or otherwise, he should go to work cheerfully, put in all the hours needed to get the job done, thank God that he still has a nice paying job that’s supporting those he loves.
One last point is that, with the economy as bad as it has been and is projected to be, he has to consider the probability of get “manual-labor” jobs as an apprentice. From my understanding, it appears the housing industry and related occupations are not doing great.
For the moment, I think a bird in his hand is more than two in the bush.
My $0.02.
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“I could do anything, if only I knew what it was”
by Barbara Sher.
This book is exactly aimed at people like Mike (and me).
I earn six figures, but really don’t enjoy it. but i’ve started taking steps in a different direction. One thing that’s good to remember, is you don’t have to dump your day job all at once. if there’s a different field that appeals, take a course, read about it or something else…
The important thing is to start moving.
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As a huge fan of Jerry Seinfeld, I would offer the advice he gave in a speech to school students at one point.
1. Bust your ass
2. Pay attention
3. Fall in love
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I can empathize with Mike A LOT. I’m exploring a number of different options that can marry my loves of business, finance, and education/teaching.
I decided some time ago to focus 40 hours on my day job and take the consequences of not working the hours my company demands to move up (regardless of whether you’re actually getting results – I get more results in 40 hours than many of my colleagues do in 60 or more). I’m much happier knowing I’m trying to escape from the bureaucracy and craft something I love to do. Of course, it helps that my tuition aid reimbursement period from my current employer is rapidly becoming shorter.
Along with “48 Days to the Work You Love”, I would also recommend Pam Slim’s “Escape from Cubicle Nation”. The book is geared toward people like me who want to start something on their own, but I think anyone looking for a career change can gain some excellent insight about having personal finances and career thoughts in order.
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I’ll sacrifice a high paying job for happiness, which doesn’t mean I would act stupidly.
For, I’d save some money and sort out my financial situation, with the help of the high paying job. Quitting out of the blue doesn’t bring anything good.
Then, I’d try to pinpoint the exact problem. Is it the job itself (i.e the tasks), the level of stress, the responsibilities that bother me?
It’s important to assess the reasons for quitting to not make the same mistake again.
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I’ve worked in the IT field for the last 29 years and all of that time was working for large corporate companies.
I’ve been fairly successful, Head of IT, managing thousands of staff and earning well over 6 figures.
Three years ago, I needed a new challenge but I knew I just couldn’t give up the job – I needed some money to live.
And someone recommended, “start earning a living on-line”. That’s when I started, 3 years ago. I must admit I thought I was going to become very rich overnight. I believed all the hype. I created my first product – being a First-Class Manager. Thought I’d sit back and watch the money come rolling in. It didn’t.
I knew this was going to be a hard slog. I created another product and another and another.
After 3 years of hard work in the evenings and weekends on my on-line business, while working full-time, I left the corporate world and now work for myself and I LOVE IT!
The income is a lot less (but I have plans for it grow!), but the freedom makes up for it. I still work long hours but I work when I want to.
So if you can, start a plan ‘b’. Start on something while you are also working full-time and earning some income.
It could pay off in the end.
Andrew
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I am in a similar spot, keeping my high salary job for now but exploring what might make the daily grind less grinding.
I stumbled upon a neat website called iCould.com; it is short videos of people talking about what they do and how they got there. I love it because it opens up many ideas of what is possible and shows a wide variety of paths to a beloved career. Worth checking out if you aren’t sure what job/career you want.
Good luck Mike and others.
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I just spent the last 4 years studying the topic of career change, and it is the subject of my new bestselling book, The Leap.
Change happens to everyone. In fact, the ultimate key to fulfillment is finding your own path. In a down market, lots of people feel lost, primary because the traditional career paths are gone. But this is an opportunity – forget someone else’s career ladder and go find your own.
Also, you dont need to make a dramatic change. Those I studied who successfully made The Leap were not daring risk takers – they were great risk mitigators. They used safe, simple steps toward a new path to eliminate the risk of the journey.
Rick Smith
twitter: @ricksmithauthor
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I am also in a similar spot. Making good money in a job that I really don’t enjoy, but want to keep our financial goals on track. Eventually I want to either be a full-time personal finance blogger, or do something else that helps people with money… but the whole starting a new business and leaving the old behind isn’t exactly a good option right now.
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If you really dread going in each day is there something immediate you could do to make it more tolerable?
Say, perhaps cutting back to part-time and staying home with your kids a couple days a week? (decreased wages would be partially offset by decreased day care/commuting costs)
This is something I’ve thought about as well. Otherwise, I will share what I’ve already done. I like my job, but I’ve found ways outside of it to challenge myself so I’m not defined by it. I made a “life list” and have started working on accomplishing those items. I also enjoy working with my hands like you mentioned, so a few challenges I want to undertake are: building furniture, volunteering for Habitat, tackling new projects around my home, etc.
A couple weeks ago I accomplished one of the tasks on my list and overcoming that challenge was one of the best feeling I’ve had in awhile. I realized that I didn’t have it so bad at work and could explore other challenges on my own time. We’ve also worked hard at paying off debt and living frugally so when our second child is born, my wife can stay home (she’s P/T right now). It will be a decade or so until our mortgage is paid off, but just having that goal and seeing what options we’ll have when it is done keeps me motivated. Good luck to you and your family!
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I was in this situation a couple of years ago. I like the IT field but wasnt happy doing network admin stuff. All guts, no glory. I then thought I would love the creativity of the graphic design field. Not! Too much pressure to be creative everyday. Now I am in the information security field on track to being a consultant. Still in computers but a whole different direction and focus.
I would agree that if like the IT field but not your aspect of it, change direction. That way you dont negate years of certifications, learning, contacts, job experience, etc., but you still go a new direction. Worked for me!
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1. Our only true expense at this time, is our mortgage. We have 2 newer vehicles that are paid off. We have no credit card or student loan dept either. Our retirements are both well funded, mine through a 401k and a Roth, and my wife through TRS and her Roth. We also have college savings accounts setup for both of our children. And we have about 4-5 months in an EF.
2. I have no plans on leaving this job. Althugh I do not enjoy the work, the peopple and the company are great. I just dread the work. So maybe my thoughts didn’t quite make it to paper the way I wanted them to.
3. My wife and I talk very openly about our finances and our career decisions. She is on board with me changing careers if it is something I want to do. We have both been very supportive of each other in all endeavors, so that would not be an issue.
4. I know people keep telling me to downsize the house, but truth be told, that is not an option. We have 2 children now with plans to add hopefully 2 more. We got a great deal on a wonderful home in our dream neighborhood. So I am willing to keep the IT gig until I can figure out another option that makes me happy.
5. Please understand that I wrote in looking for assistance not to get bashed or hear other people say, man you are lucky. I am VERY lucky, both my wife and I have a job, we love each other, we have 2 wonderful kids that are our world, and outside of the job, my life exactly what I would want it to be.
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Mike,
I spent my entire 20′s and part of my 30′s preparing for a specific job. I didn’t choose it because I loved it – I chose it because other people told me I would be good at it, and because I really didn’t know what else to do. I even got an expensive graduate degree.
4 years into my “dream job” I realized that I was miserable. It was not until that point that I sat down and looked at my talents, skills, and experience. I’m sure that some people can succeed by “gritting it out” but I couldn’t. High-paying jobs are competitive, and it’s very hard to get ahead of others whose talents match that field, and who love doing it. It’s really hard to fake passion for something you don’t love.
So in 2003, I bit the bullet and changed careers. This time I found a career counselor who helped me to take a realistic look at what would truly fulfill me. With $50+k in debt from my MBA, I took a 40% pay cut and found my passion. I love my new job and life, and don’t regret it for a moment. I just had to scale back my spending (not easy) but well worthwhile. I’ll be paying off my last non-mortgage debt in 3 years.
But I love my job and am much happier. Because I’m better at my job, I have more respect from my colleagues – and from myself. I feel secure in my career. Money can’t buy this kind of happiness.
I say go for it! Just be thoughtful about a realistic new budget, and you’ll never look back!
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