My friend Gillian called the other day — she’s been having money trouble and was looking for help. “I’m not really a financial advisor,” I told her. “I write about money, and I try to help people at my web site, but I’m not qualified to coach you one-on-one.” Still, she’s a friend, so I resolved to at least give her some advice. I asked her to explain the situation.
“Tom and I are working all the time, but we’re always broke. He just wrecked his car, but we don’t have money to get it repaired. We’ll have to use the credit cards again. We don’t have any other choice. There’s never anything left at the end of the month,” she said. “I need some help budgeting so that we don’t keep having this problem.”
“Well, let’s see what we can do. I guess the best place to start is with your monthly income and your monthly expenses. How much do you and Tom bring home each month?” I asked.
“About $4,000 after taxes.” That was about what I expected.
“How much do you spend?” I asked.
“All of it,” she said, laughing. I expected that, too.
“How much do you have saved?” I asked. “Do you have any savings at all?”
“No, we don’t,” she said. “There’s never been anything left over to save.”
They don’t have anything left to save because they’re very good at spending money. Gillian and Tom live well:
- They have a nice custom-built home.
- Each of them drives a late model SUV.
- They have no kids.
- They enjoy expensive hobbies.
I have friends who make half what Gillian and Tom do, but have built a nest egg because they maintain a frugal lifestyle. It should be easy for these two to reduce their spending to create a budget surplus. “Well, let’s see if we can find a way to free up some cash,” I said. “Let’s list your fixed monthly expenses.”
Gillian listed their bills one-by-one. I jotted them down, making note of anything that seemed particularly extravagant. “Okay, let’s see what we have,” I said. “You’re paying a housekeeper $50 a week. If you were to clean the house yourself, you’d save $200 a month.”
“But…” she began.
“I think you’d be surprised at how much difference $200 a month can make,” I said. “I know from experience that even a $50 positive cash flow can make the difference between feeling broke and feeling flush. A $200 difference is huge.”
“Yeah,” said Gillian, “but I don’t want to clean the house. It’s too much work.” I was puzzled. To me, this was a quick and obvious way to free up money. If I were in her shoes, the housekeeper would be the first thing to go — it would be worth some extra work on my part. I tried a different approach.
“You each have a cell phone,” I said. “Do you both need one?”
“Yes,” said Gillian. “I don’t know what I’d do without one. And Tom needs one for work. I need to be able to reach him.”
Her reasoning seemed thin, but I pressed on. “Well, what about the cable bill,” I said. “You’re paying $60 a month for that. That’s an easy one. What about cutting back to basic cable?”
“Oh, we can’t get rid of cable,” Gillian said. “We watch TV all the time.” I was silent. “Are you there?” she asked.
“I’m here,” I said. “I’m just trying to figure out what to do. In order for you to turn things around, you’re going to have to make some sacrifices.”
“Yeah,” she said, “but we can’t cut cable. Tom would have a fit.”
“Gillian,” I said, “this is a little frustrating. I thought you wanted to get out of your money situation.”
“I do,” she said, “but so far you’re just suggesting things for me to get rid of. Isn’t there something else we can do? Can’t we use a budget to get more money?”
“That’s what I’m talking about,” I said. “Cutting things like these is making a budget. I know it seems terrible to have to give things up, but you need to make sacrifices — at least in the short term — in order to get ahead. You don’t have any savings. Any disaster means you’re putting money on your credit card. You need to build up some savings. You need to pay off your existing debt. In order to do this, you need to spend less than you earn. Right now you’re spending exactly what you earn, and you’ll never get ahead that way. I know, because for years that’s how I operated. You’re going to have to tighten the belt, Gillian. It’s the only way.”
I paused, and then said, “You need to decide what’s important.”
It was obvious I wasn’t going to be able to help her. I hadn’t even explored the Big Ideas, like moving down to a smaller home or trading one of their SUVs for a used car. I had started with the medium-sized stuff — the obvious chaff. But Gillian wasn’t interested in making changes if it meant altering her lifestyle. I changed the subject.
We talked about summer. Gillian asked how our garden was. I described the knee-high corn, the ripe raspberries, and Kris’ monster tomatoes. “I’m jealous,” she said. “I don’t have time to garden. I did get a chance to go to the nursery last week, though. I was able to pick up five shrubs on sale for about $10 each.”
The shrubs were the final straw. There was nothing I could do to help her because she wasn’t ready to be helped. She wasn’t ready to listen. She said she wanted to change, but she didn’t really. She was looking for a magic pill, something that would make life easier without any effort on her part. That’s not how it works. Eventually Gillian will reach a place so bad that she’ll begin to see the need to take responsibility for improving her situation, but she’s not there yet.
Our conversation reminded me of an episode of This American Life I heard recently. The show profiled debt guru Dave Ramsey, and at one point the reporter played a segment in which Dave experienced similar frustration:
Tina calls Dave because she’s upside-down on her car loan. She recently wrecked the car, but rather than use the money to repair the vehicle, she spent it. “Ooooo-kay,” says Dave, obviously flustered. “I’m afraid what you’re looking at is probably a really good part-time job, about six or eight months of 80 hour weeks.”
“Eighty hour weeks?” says Tina. “That’s too much work.”
“I can’t help you, Tina,” says Dave.
And I can’t help you, Gillian.
This story is based on actual events. Names and situations have been changed to protect Gillian’s identity.
This article is about Budgeting, Debt, Psychology, Real-Life





This story is why I’m so glad I stumbled across Your Money or Your Life. Your friend is someone who really needs to read that book and start the exercises. I particularly find the step where you list all your monthly expenses (right down to the penny) and decide if you got fullfilment out of it, if it lines up with your values, and if you would spend more or less on it if you didn’t have to work. My wife and I do this step together and it’s amazing the conversations that start up about our money (none of which get heated) because it’s all laid out right there in front of you. All you have to do is decide if the money spent was worth it for you and if you actually got any enjoyment out of it.
But, yeah, if she knows they spend every penny they make and isn’t willing to cut back on anything at all, there’s no way someone can help her.
loading....
This article speaks so many truths about a majority of Americans out there. They have no financial education and are unwilling to change their ways. I wrote a post today about your article expressing my own feelings that personal finance classes should be taught in school as a requirement of graduation.
loading....
JD,
Wonderful. I admire that you tried to help, but you knew when to let it go. I have just been through a similiar situation, so I think I will describe that one in an entry while you are away (gotta fill up this place somehow)
loading....
The behavior of Gillian and Tina is awfully similar to that of people suffering with obesity.
With few exceptions, all obese people know they eat too much and they all know they should exercise more. But, they can’t correct their behavior until they truly WANT to fix it. Without a real desire to change their lifestyle, they’ll come up with every manner of excuse to maintain the status quo.
Similarly, Gillian and Tina certainly know enough about finances to know that they’re spending too much money, but they don’t yet have the desire to make the necessary changes in their spending habits.
Sadly, it probably will take a significant event like bankruptcy and/or enormous credit card debt to set them straight.
loading....
GRS,
Congratulations, you are the first blogger to earn a starring role in my “Savers Are from Mars. Debtors Are from Venus” series.
loading....
My husband and I have talked about hiring a cleaning service. Why? Because our house is generally always sorta messy because we are both busy people and don’t have a whole lot of time to clean and because all our friends have cleaning services or people and we make more than them. But we want to be different! We don’t want to be like everyone else – broke. So instead we clean when we can and otherwise it stays messy but we remind ourselves that we are paying ourselves when we clean our house.
I think sometimes its easier to go without if you think of it not as a cut (negative, I’m doing without) but as a bonus (I’m paying myself $400-$500 a month to clean my house, imagine what I can do with that money).
loading....
It’s a bit of a draw. I know people like that and it seems that just when they’re about to go broke they either get a promotion at work, mommy and daddy bail them out, they simply walk out on their debts, or they marry someone who pays off their debts.
They never sacrifice. It’s not in their vocabulary and life seems to agree with them.
While the bankruptcy rules may have been stiffened, I can still name examples of people who walked out on their debts: Just look at that 24-year-old 2.2 million dollar debtor out there. He’s on vacation in Australia, no?
I suppose once you have a house and a job, it doesn’t matter if your credit is trashed, even though I prefer mine to remain a bit stable. While you may consider her style “wrong,” it’s just another choice and odds are Gillian is good at getting what she wants with minimal expenditure of effort. Just look how she suckered you into giving her “free” advice without charging her a dime. If you had given her your “consulting fee” instead, she would have balked seriously no doubt.
Come back in a year and talk to Gillian again. She will probably have a fat retirement account and still not paid off her debts or someone bailed her out. She may even have refinanced her house to support her lifestyle and doesn’t count the additional monies taken out as debt. That’s the kind of answers she’s looking for. Of course, someone who knows those financial gymnastics will want to be paid for their advice. She wants something that requires her only to shoot a bit of money in its direction to solve the problem. Or, that require someone else to do the work and her to reap the rewards.
Just because you have a little more integrity, doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how to clear her accounts. She does. She just wants someone else to do it for her while she does nothing, not even pay for advice to help her out.
loading....
I used to be Gillian, and I had $6K in credit card debt, no savings, no retirement fund, and I was still clinging to cable TV and other frivolous things and habits that added absolutely no value to my life, monetary or otherwise.
You are correct when you say that you can’t help Gillian. She has to be the one to decide between having emergency and retirement savings or watching ESPN and HBO. If she reads your blog, I’d simply like to tell her this: ESPN, the housekeeper, and the cellphone won’t pay for car repairs, medical bills, or a nursing home in old age. I hope for both their sakes that she and her husband turn things around soon. Having been there myself, I know what a difference it makes when you let go of the things that don’t matter, and suddenly you can save money and sleep at night.
Thanks for sharing this true story.
loading....
Definitely a good post here. Although I think the story is made up (that’s beside the point), the idea behind it is very true to MANY people here in America. We have problems yet people don’t want to make sacrifices, and for that, these people deserve everything that comes at them (bankruptcy, foreclosure etc.) I have no sympathies for anyone that gets into trouble on their own, but doesn’t want to bail themselves out of it. For that is what I call pathetic.
loading....
Chance wrote: The behavior of Gillian and Tina is awfully similar to that of people suffering with obesity.
Absolutely. Many people have remarked on the connection between sound financial habits and sound food/exercise habits. There’s a clear connection. The same principles apply to both fields of life. I should write an extended piece on the subject.
Sam wrote: My husband and I have talked about hiring a cleaning service.
I don’t want to make it sound like I’m against a cleaning service for everyone. I’m not. In fact, Kris and I have somebody coming in today. But we can afford to. We’re not hurting for cash. In Gillian’s case, getting rid of the housekeeper — even for a few months — would help her free up some cash. It’s a luxury she can’t really afford at this point.
Tyler wrote: Although I think the story is made up (that’s beside the point)
I don’t know whether to call the story fiction or non-fiction. It’s certainly based on an actual conversation, but the details have been heavily altered so as to obscure the source. I have many friends who read this site, and I have no desire to create any tension among them. Best to keep things heavily anonymized. I did my best to retain the essential elements, though.
loading....
I think you gave up too early, or at least you took the wrong tack. It doesn’t follow that someone who couldn’t give up little things couldn’t give up big things.
Sometimes the big stuff is easier to do away with than the smaller stuff. It’s that whole cost vs. utility thing again: the utility per dollar of a cellphone is way, way higher than the utility per dollar difference between a used car and an SUV.
Considering the savings, loss of utility, and the effect on self-image, you end up with:
Trade SUV for $5000 Civic, pocket difference:
– Large amount of cash-in-hand
– Significant monthly savings (gas, insurance)
– Minor loss in utility (can still drive places, just not as fancy)
– Minor embarrassment (middle-class friends understand “two SUVs was too much” and the impact of $100s/month, plus there’s the environmentalist explanation)
Cancel cellphone:
– No cash-in-hand
– Minor monthly savings
– Significant loss in utility (service gone, along with phone number presumably lots of friends have)
– Significant embarrassment (middle-class friends probably won’t understand need for extra $40/mo, will come across as “poor” rather than “frugal”)
Between those two things, getting rid of the SUV would probably have been *more* palatable than cancelling the cellphone. The “return on investment” of trading in the SUV is far higher than that of cancelling the cellphone, because the expected “income” (savings) is higher and the “costs” are lower, since instead of giving up functionality she’d be giving up a bit of conspicuous consumption.
loading....
I believe you when you say that “Gillian” is a real person, but that quote is so over the top that it’s almost unbelievable to me. I literally laughed out loud when I read it.
Then I realized how sad it is that some/most people really think that way.
loading....
Actually I just realized, didn’t you mean to say “…so far you’re just suggesting things that I can’t get rid of”?
I just instinctively read it as that, and only realized it said “can” as I re-read my comment.
loading....
Good point, The Tim. I’ll change that sentence to make it read more clearly. (With as much revision as I made to this post — there was a lot of it — you’d think I would have caught that, but no…)
That quote is actually one of the most accurate things in the story. And it’s exactly what made me think of the Dave Ramsey thing, which I’d just heard a few days before. I’ve met other people like this, too. I have a close friend who doesn’t understand the very basic principles of a bank account. If he puts money in there, he expects it to be there, even though he may have already written checks that use it all. It boggles my mind.
loading....
Also… sometimes it’s a choice of values. For example, if you really value your *time*, maybe the cleaning service is worth it, but, you’d be willing to drive an older car or live in a smaller home. If television is a source of real enjoyment to you, perhaps you’re willing to give up the cleaning service.
We could spend less money on food, but, we prefer to support local agriculture & have higher quality food. Of course, it also means we don’t eat out as much, and, we don’t have cable. I use my cell phone so rarely that I use a “buy minutes” service rather than paying more for a “real” cell phone, but, I *know* I have it for emergencies or the “I’m going to be home late” calls.
loading....
Just tell Gillian that there are 2 ways to fix her situation:
1. Spend Less OR
2. Make more!
For my wife and I, we try to do both. I also have a similar story to yours but with a family member, maybe I’ll write about it next week.
loading....
JD/GRS,
Is there any part untrue in what I cited on my blog? If it was not an SUV, I will write “car.” If the emergency was not a wrecked car, I will remove the reference. If it was not $4k/mo after taxes, I will remove the number. Thank you.
loading....
I agree completely with Rick Lafferty’s comments. I know that the lifestyle changes for me would be extremely difficult if I were to have to give up cable, cell phone, or a housekeeper. To me, these are not optional at this point; they enrich my life too much to cancel.
We have contemplated switching to less profitable jobs for lifestyle reasons, and I have created a list of items that we would do without, and none of these have come close to making the list. (on the list are: limiting eating out – this would be a substantial savings for us, as it is our biggest expenditure by far, bigger than mortgage; cancelling dog walker; downgrading vacations – easier to do if we had more flexible schedules that we would be able to use to plan; cutting out massages; going to a less-expensive hairdresser; and a host of other things).
On the other hand, my husband and I share a 5-year old Civic, and we do not plan to replace it anytime soon. To me, that would be wasteful.
We certainly make enough money to afford two luxury cars, but instead, we choose to save more money for the future.
In the meantime, in addition to maxing out our retirement accounts, I make several transfers a month to savings, so that at least twice a month my husband and I have to discuss how we are “low on cash.” This makes us just uncomfortable enough to make slightly better financial decisions on a daily basis, for at least a few days a month. I implemented this practice about 4 months ago, and I credit it for the substantial nestegg that we have accumulated since that time (3 months expenses – if we cut back as described above – so far). Prior to that time, we had no savings other than 401K.
loading....
This is conversation was as much a man/woman thing as financial. You’re correct, she’s not ready. She just wanted somebody to listen to her problems, not fix them.
loading....
Saving Money Means Sacrifice…
Get Rich Slowly has a story about “Gillian,” a woman who came asking for advice on setting up a budget so she could save money and stop charging emergency expenses on her credit card, but was unwilling to actually cut……
loading....
@Rich Lafferty:
If her friends aren’t going to understand the need to give-up the cell phone, how are they going to react when she shows up somewhere in a USED small car. That would be when they think there is something wrong with the picture.
loading....
Hi JD, thanks for this great writing (and wonderful blog, by the way). I used to be spendthrift myself, and unsurprisingly complained often about being broke.
One day a year ago, a friend of mine recalled a phrase taken from the film/book ‘Fight Club’, it goes something like this: “We work in jobs that we do not like, so that we can buy things that we do not” Boy, it hit me real hard because it was the truth for me! Today, I am thrifty person who is reaching her goal of clearing a $12K student loan this Christmas, building an 6-month emergency fund and learning to invest wisely.
I think the main problem with your friend Gillian is: she hopes that budgeting will help her solve her money woes, WITHOUT affecting her current lifestyle. But, real change will only take place when one is willing to face the truth painfully and honestly about financially destructive habits. Most importantly, one must believe in the value of the need for change.
loading....
It’s a little surprising to me that no one has commented thus far about how similar Gillian’s story is to someone with an addiction, such as gambling or alcohol. She has all of the symptoms. Materialism and consumerism are as much of an addiction in today’s society as other, more taboo, forms of addictive behavior. TV cable is her “dealer” in this case.
As with other forms of addiction, Gillian must be the one to help herself. She will need to do the tough work to get to the other side. She is obviously not happy. Once she gets to the other side, and escapes the bonds of materialism and over-consumption, she will wonder how she even got there in the first place. Life will be so much better.
loading....
Quibble: Creating a budget doesn’t necessarily mean cutting things out of your life, however living by a budget may mean cutting back.
I wouldn’t want to discourage anyone from creating a budget (and especially tracking actuals) even if you’re not currently in debt.
loading....
JD,
I have this SAME conversation, several times a week, either through email or in person…
Variations include:
I can’t give up my motorcycle/boat/camper b/c that’s how I reward myself for working hard during the week…
I can’t give up HBO/Showtime b/c “blank” is my favorite show…
I can’t take my lunch to work, what would my coworkers think?…
I can’t…
You get the picture…
People do what they want to do when they ar ready to do it.. and not a second before…
Great post, btw… easy to read and well written… and I totally understand the need to “obscure” certain details…
NCN
loading....
@NCN
Heh. My working draft of this entry is saved to my hard drive under the simple title “I Can’t”. It was the repeated use of this phrase during the conversation that prompted me to write the piece in the first place. “I can’t. I can’t. I can’t.” Then you won’t.
loading....
I agree with the previous posters who made the arguments towards perceived value. Personally? I say keep the housekeeper, ditch one of the SUV’s. But that’s what I perceive as valuable. JD is right, she and her husband and to sit down and decide what is really important to them: Keeping up the facade of having all this money and being wealthy, or actually living life on their own terms.
When you think about it, it could require a lot of self-reflection on their parts that might lead to places that are too uncomfortable for them to confront.
loading....
This is one of the reasons why I don’t give spending/saving/lifestyle advice to friends, even when they ask. Whether or not they’re “ready” to hear it, they should hear it from someone who doesn’t have an existing relationship with them, an impartial party, so to speak.
It’s like the clinician who comes in to work with a class of students, and tells the class the same things the teacher has been saying all year… the class listens to the clinician because they are from the outside and they validate what the teacher has been saying, while the class simply gets used to the teacher and doesn’t internalize the lesson as well without the clinician.
loading....
What’s the deal with the shrub? Why did that set you off?
loading....
What’s the deal with the shrub? Why did that set you off?
She’s complaining that she can’t save money, but she’s out buying shrubbery that she doesn’t need. It’s ludicrous!
loading....
This story is very sad, but there is hope for people like that. Don’t give up on her, she might see the light some day! If she could see, really SEE what that debt means in her life, she might realize there are more important things than having new cars and keeping up with the Jones’.
I was in an insane amount of debt earlier this year when I woke up and realized what I was doing to myself. I sold my cars and simplified the rest of my life. I cleaned out my house, selling my computers, and anything I could find that had value on ebay, and paid as much debt off as possible. I went from 68k in debt in January to 15k right now. I even took it to an extreme by volunteering to go to Iraq to earn extra (tax free) money. I will be debt free by September.
I recently started a blog about it, and hope to encourage other people that are staring massive amounts of debt in the face.
http://sloaninvestments.blogspot.com/
loading....
Generally it doesn’t have to be black/white. She could’ve settled for a maid 2x a month instead of once a week. That would be a $100 savings / month.
Instead of switching to basic cable, maybe look at an intermediary package between basic and her currently one?
Instead of cutting cell phone, maybe look into cutting some “Extra services”, like text messaging, web browsing, etc.
loading....
“Live like no one else will today, so you can live like no one else will tomorrow.”
Sad story. I hope Gillian reads this post, recognizes it is about her, and gets a shock to her senses.
loading....
Great story, really got me going emotionally. I completely identify with Gillian (the old me) and You, the me of the last five years. Personally, I would have bluntly stated to my friend that you are not ready for change, you just want to talk about it. Bottom line she is not ready to do the work. But then I likely have a more confrontational personality than you, which makes reading your blog more enjoyable. Thanks
loading....
Err, make that “so you can live like no one else can tomorrow.”
loading....
With all due respect, I have a difference of opinion from the author of this piece on both how this issue was approached and how the story was presented. Overall, I found the piece somewhat judgmental and lacking in acknowledgment that different people have different priorities and that that is okay.
I found that I agree most with the essence of Rich Lafferty’s comments–making larger changes can often be more effective, simpler, and less painful than making lots of little saving sacrifices. In this case, even if the author had taken the time to explore those and other types of options with Gillian, and even if she’d turned them all down, I still think the judgmental tone could stand to be toned down (To me, the piece reads very holier than thou).
But in this case, at least based on what is written, the author only offered one type of advice and when it wasn’t taken, wrote off Gillian’s entire potential and desire for sacrificing some things now in order to have a better future.
For some, and I am one of these people, life’s little pleasures are very important and are often the things that keep us sane and happy in a difficult world. Having our entertainment (TV), our security (knowing we have a phone in case of an accident or emergency or can reach our spouse when needed), hobbies (plants/gardening), etc. can make a tremendous difference in our quality of life and contentment.
Hobbies, expensive or not, are very important. Life is not all about work and saving. For some, daily comforts, hobbies, and passions for entertainment and recreations are some of what makes life worth living and joyful.
Though some expenses were clearly important to her, Gilliam may have very well considered downsizing her home, her car, and other larger, more expensive purchases. These would likely make more of a differences in her overall spending/saving anyway, and wouldn’t interfere with her quality of life.
I don’t know Gillian, so perhaps she wouldn’t go for those suggestions either, but based simply on what is written in this post, it seems the author decided she simply wants to change her finances without having to give up anything, when in fact he’d only explored one type of change with her and judged her solely on that.
Additionally, she may have been willing to find ways to increase her income so that she wouldn’t have to give up the expenditures on things that obviously meant a lot to her. That was not mentioned or considered in the post either.
Like Gillian, I value my hobbies, security/safety, entertainment/recreation, but for years I have lived in the cheapest home I could find, almost always in a much smaller space than most people in my situation and with my salary would have chosen, and have always paid little for housing, car, travel, electronics, and other major expenses.
I have saved in areas where many others might choose not to, or choose not to save as much, and perhaps spent in areas that some areas would be more likely to save in. But since those expenditures added value to my life, the trade off has always been worth it.
Saving on bigger things has allowed me to splurge when it came to some of the things that matter more to me and make a large difference in my daily happiness, such as being able to enjoy my hobbies of cooking, art, reading, etc.–all things that add tremendously to my quality of life, something that cannot be measured with a price tag.
I appreciate your point that we should evaluate our own behavior and make sure we are not standing in our own way and preventing our own financial stability and success, but I also wouldn’t be so quick to draw conclusions about others simply because they don’t act as you would or as you expect.
Our finances often reflect our priorities and it’s important to respect that others may have different priorities, but that doesn’t make them any lesser or less legitimate than our own. There are ways to make finances work without having to replicate just one model of spending/saving.
loading....
People get used to lifestyle inflation. We all were broke during our college years, but we got by. I try to keep that college mentality (use all your space in your small place, cook for yourself, party at friends homes, walk, dont spend money, work extra jobs).
Lifestyle inflation, worse than real inflation…
loading....
I think that people with chronic overspending problems just don’t get it in the same way that people without them do. Somewhere, they fundamentally don’t understand money – probably they don’t understand that its all psychological. I think once you do that and address the underlying reasons for spending more money, you’ve got a much better chance.
loading....
I’m not a fan of budgeting. The best advice in most of the personal finance books I’ve read is “pay yourself first”. I highly doubt that Gillian and her husband are living so close to their means that they have to cut out things like cell phones and cable.
More likely, if she set up an automatic deposit of $200 a month into a savings account, she wouldn’t even notice the difference. No need to cancel the maid or itemize everything they’re spending money on. If they’re spending exactly as much as they earn now, they’ll spend exactly as much as they earn then, and have $200 added to their savings. People who are used to spending as much money as they have are not likely to worry about whether they have $50 in their budget for shrubs. They are likely to know whether they have $50, period. If they start out “having” $200 less at the start of the month, their spending will adjust.
loading....
People are so funny. I was in a similar situation last month. I was out on a smoke break with my coworker MammaBear, and she was talking about how her expenses were just plain more than her salary, and she asked me if I had any suggestions. I suggested she cancel the cable (she has an 80% chance of having it never turned off where she lives), cancel the netflix account, and upgrade the expensive dialup connection to a slightly cheaper DSL account that can be used to creatively supplement what she lost. “oh, i’m not sure i wanna make that change,” she said, “but they’re good ideas. I’ll think about it.”
Wouldn’t you know, 3 weeks later, she somehow reinterpreted my advice to mean “upgrade your cable and get cable internet”. So, now instead of knocking off $90 from her monthly budget, she’s paying an additional $80. People are amazing sometimes, let me tell you.
loading....
As far as not giving up the cell phone, that I can understand. My cell phone is how I communicate. If it weren’t for the fact that I can’t get reasonable DSL bandwidth without also paying for a landline, my cell phone would be my ONLY phone.
loading....
Ugh…people who think this way make me crazy. It’s just common sense *money-in* and *money-out*. If they’re equal, there’s nothing left to save.
Another favorite is a friend of mine who never balanced her checking account, and she would get really annoyed when someone would cash a check after a month or so because she assumed that the cash in the account was the amount of money she had to spend. There would be an OD on the account, and she felt the person who cashed the check was to blame!!
Great, if aggravating post. I’d avoid talking to her about money if I were you. It’s just going to hurt.
loading....
@Aleks – Paying yourself first does not work if you’re in debt and spending more than you make. Earning 5% on $200 savings/month will get you nowhere fast if you’re paying 12%+ on a revolving credit card balance and $30,000 in car notes.
loading....
See I don’t mind cutting out things and being frugal..but it drives my husband nuts…i cant get through to him how important it is that we stop being broke…one day he’ll say he agrees with ne…then the next he throws a fit because i tell him we dont have money for a video game or a vacation.
loading....
[...] “Don’t borrow someone else’s spectacles to view yourself with.” ~Simon Travaglia What happens when someone wants to budget their money but won’t cut any expenses? [...]
loading....
This is a great post. I’ve been trying to talk to my parents about how they can save money. They have no savings, yet make over $100k/yr.
They are paying nearly $200/month for a cable/internet/landline package which I think is outrageous when you are barely cutting it month to month, but my dad refuses to get rid of his DVR (which costs extra) and cut back to basic cable because of the ONE channel he wants that is in the upgraded package.
loading....
@m
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You make some great points. I can see how I might have come off as judgmental. That wasn’t my intention. I’m not sure if you’ve read Get Rich Slowly before, but Gillian is in the same place I was just a few years ago. I’ve managed to turn things around, but it has been through sacrifice. I didn’t include this information in the piece because my regular readers are well aware of the fact, and I thought it was too long already.
I actually don’t feel that it’s my place to judge Gillian. I merely meant to express my frustration. I’m offering advice drawn from my experience, and in my experience giving up these things can help a great deal. Also, it seems to me — and perhaps I’m wrong — that by choosing, say, cable television over an extra $50 a month, Gillian is saying “cable television is more important to me than financial security”. Why do I say this? Because it’s the things that we do that reflect our values, not the things that we say. I can talk all day long about how I wish I were physically fit, but until I actually get on the damn bike and stop pedaling, it’s not an actual value to me. Does that make sense?
I haven’t wholly given up on Gillian. In fact, I’m researching budgeting resources for her right now. I’m also writing an article about how to stop living paycheck-to-paycheck that I hope will address some of her issues. I agree that we are all different. One of the core tenets at Get Rich Slowly is “DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU”, by which I mean that we are each different human beings. We each have a different psychological makeup. For me, the debt snowball was the only way I could conquer debt. Others view this as a waste of money. What is right for one person, may not be right for another.
I do hope that Gillian is able to conquer her financial demons — I just wish that my advice was something she could use.
loading....
I agree with m Look at the big picture not the little stuff.
Cut your overhead ( house, car) that is usually the killers of the middle class
loading....
“Paying yourself first does not work if you’re in debt and spending more than you make. Earning 5% on $200 savings/month will get you nowhere fast if you’re paying 12%+ on a revolving credit card balance and $30,000 in car notes.”
Obviously if she’s in debt, the $200 should go on the debt rather than into savings. But the point is to take it off the top rather than trying to force a non-budgeter to budget so there’s something left at the end of the month.
loading....
Oh my, I have someone in my life who’s like this! They are forever complaining about how broke they are and then will turn around and tell me how they’re going to this concert, or to the fair, or buying this or that at the beauty supply place. On payday they complain about how they need more money to survive, that if their room mate moves out they’re “screwed,” and oh, by the way do you want to go out for lunch today to the expensive little eatery down the road? It drives me nuts! I lent some financial books to them, then asked for them back when it was obvious they weren’t going to read any of them. They’re one of those people who always has a reason why they cannot do what anyone advises, be is someone they personally know or someone who’s written a book. They even told me one time that Dave Ramsey would never work for them because they were behind on everything and that his program was for people who just wanted to get out of debt. Now, does that make sense?
loading....