Writing Your Money: The Missing Manual has been intense. I’ve spent a ton of time researching personal finance topics ranging from buying a car to funding a 401(k) to the relationship between money and happiness. My research has reinforced some of my convictions (index funds are the best investment for 99% of personal investors, for instance) but has toppled others. One of my beliefs that’s been set on its head is that Americans are better off buying their own homes. I don’t believe that’s necessarily the case anymore.
Advantages to renting
In 2007, Tim Ellis shared a guest post with GRS readers about the realities of home ownership. “It’s a real shame when people are driven to get into the housing market because of misplaced notions of imagined financial benefits,” Ellis wrote at the time. I didn’t pay much attention (because I was in London!), but I now believe he’s right. Yes, homeownership makes sense for some people. But there’s no shame in renting; in fact, for many folks, that’s the way to go.
The housing industry is huge, and it spends a lot of time propagating certain myths about homeownership, myths like:
- If you rent, you’re throwing your money away.
- Owning your home is a forced savings plan.
- Home ownership is a path to wealth.
My own research shows that over the long term, housing prices (and gold prices) barely outpace inflation. In fact, since 1926, home prices (and gold prices) have returned about one percent above the inflation rate. That’s hardly a good investment. (Stocks have averaged about 6.8% above inflation!)
There’s no question that buying a house makes sense for some folks, but mainly for non-financial reasons. Owning a home gives you stability (you’re not at the mercy of a landlord) and freedom (you can do what you want with the place). But financially, it’s not usually the best bet. (It’s true that you build equity, but you do so at a very high cost.)
In an editorial in the June 2007 issue of Kiplinger’s Personal Finance, Knight Kiplinger wrote, “It often costs less to rent. The annual cost of owning a property, be it a house or a condo, is usually greater than the cost of renting, after taxes.” And there are other advantages to renting.
For one, you have flexibility; you can move at a moment’s notice. For another, you’re not responsible when things go wrong. If the shower starts leaking before you leave for your vacation in Duluth, you don’t have to worry about it — you call in the landlord.
Still, this is a personal finance blog, so let’s look at some ways to examine the decision to rent or buy in a financial light.
Renting by the numbers
One way to tell whether it’s better to rent or buy is by checking out the price-to-rent ratio (or P/R ratio). This number gives you a rough idea whether homes in your area are fairly priced. Figuring a P/R ratio isn’t too tough. All you need to do is:
- Find two similar houses (or condos or apartments), one for sale and one for rent.
- Divide the sale price of the one place by the annual rent for the other. The resulting number is the P/R ratio.
For example, say you find a $200,000 house for sale in a nice neighborhood. You find a similar house on the next block for rent for $1,000 per month (which works out to $12,000 per year). Dividing $200,000 by $12,000, you get a P/R ratio of 16.7.
But what does this number mean? Writing in The New York Times, David Leonhardt says, “A rent ratio above 20 means that the monthly costs of ownership will exceed the cost of renting.” That’s \a little opaque, but what Leonhardt means is that the higher the P/R ratio, the more it makes sense to rent — and the less it makes sense to buy.
During the housing bubble, the national P/R ratio came close to 20 (and went far above that in some cities). In other words, you could rent a $200,000 house for $10,000 a year (or just over $800 per month), which is a pretty good deal.
The normal range nationwide is between 10 and 14 (meaning it would cost between $1200 and $1600 to rent a $200,000 house). During the 1990s, just before the housing bubble, the national P/R ratio was usually between 14 and 15 (about $1100 to $1200 to rent a $200,000 house).
Another way to gauge the cost of housing is to compare it to your family’s income. From 1984 to 2000, median home prices were about 2.8 times the median yearly family income. (In other words, the typical house cost about three times what a family earned in a year.) During the early 1970s, home prices were about 2.3 times median family income. During the housing bubble, this ratio jumped to 4.2.
These numbers may not mean a whole lot on their own, but they can give you some sort of idea whether housing is overpriced in your area. Plus, it seems safe to assume based on past figures that most families can comfortably afford a home that costs about 2.5x their annual income. (So, if your family makes $80,000 a year, you can afford our theoretical $200,000 house.)
Home sweet home
Despite the results of my research, I’m not about to sell our house. The thing is, there’s more to this decision than just the numbers. As I always say, money is more about mind than it is about math. Our financial decisions have more to do with our psychology than with the numbers.
Kris and I are happy in our drafty old house. We love the vast yard that gives us space to grow a vegetable garden, blackberry canes, and fruit trees. We love the uneven floors, the outdated kitchen (everything’s from 1950!), and the zillions of windows. It may not make the most financial sense, but there’s more to happiness than just money.
We’re not about to move, but you know what? If I had it to do again, I’d never buy this house. If we had stayed where we were, we’d now have just four years left on our mortgage. But knowing what I know now, I might even be inclined to rent. For most folks, renting isn’t a bad option.
Note: This post contains bits and pieces that have been discarded (and some that haven’t!) from Your Money: The Missing Manual. My final manuscript was much, much too long, and we’re going to have to cut a lot of stuff. This makes me sad, but it’s not a complete loss. I’ll be able to share some of it here at GRS!
This article is about House and Home Wednesday, 27th January 2010 (by J.D. Roth)


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January 27th, 2010 at 5:14 am
A lot of the time I wish we were still renting. We bought this house and have been doing tons of work to it (pretty much me all by myself!). I am hoping that we’ll come out ahead when it comes time to sell. Our realtor seems pretty optimistic, but we will see!
January 27th, 2010 at 5:27 am
I’ve done both, and am currently stuck with a house I am renting because it won’t sell. I probably won’t buy again. We are just not the home ownership kind of people. We don’t like yard work, we don’t like doing home repairs, etc. We also don’t like spending money on the house…I would rather do other things with my money. It was an expensive lesson to learn, but we have realized that we are just not home owners.
Also, after being stuck in a house with really bad neighbors (I’m talking the SWAT team being at their house on a monthly basis, etc.; gotta love regentifrication) we like the ability to just get up and leave if we don’t like where we live. You can’t do that with a house.
January 27th, 2010 at 5:39 am
JD, take heart. I know the editing process can be brutal. Each of those sentences, and each of those thoughts are like children… you create them and you want them to live on. I’ve worked with crappy editors (yes, there are some) and really good editors. The woman I worked with on Debt-Free Forever was FABULOUS and made the book better. And that’s what you’re aiming for… a perspective that will bring you closer to what will help your readers. If you feel like hissing and spitting, then build a representation of your editor in the snow (do you have snow?) and beat it with a stick. Then go back inside and follow the edits. The best of luck to you with the book. I hope it’s a HUGE success and that people flock to it in droves.
January 27th, 2010 at 5:41 am
I’ve been starting to lean in this direction myself. Our house hunt has gone nowhere fast. But so many of the expenses that come with owning are “built in” to the rent, and that flexibility of being able to move whenever we want is fantastic. New roof? Sucks for the landlord, not me. Busted toilet? Landlord’s call.
I still want to own, eventually, but it probably won’t be for financial reasons.
January 27th, 2010 at 5:46 am
I appreciate this. I rent, I plan to keep renting for a long time, and I get very tired of friends and coworkers giving the whole “throwing your money away” crap. I certainly don’t think renting is throwing my money away. Since I have no idea where I’ll want to live in five or ten years (I’m planning to move sometime this year, but I don’t know if I’ll want to stay where I’m moving to), buying a home would be a terrible idea, even if I remotely had the money for it. Which I don’t.
January 27th, 2010 at 5:52 am
I came pretty close to buying a few times before I figured this out, and I’m really glad that I didn’t. I don’t envy any of my friends who are upside down on their mortgages and stuck wherever they are, but even ignoring the bubble/burst effect, ownership isn’t always that great of a deal over the long haul. It’s just amazing to me how well entrenched the American ideal of homeownership is — to the point that most people won’t even read or understand an article like this one. Just watch, within hours there will be comment after comment on here baselessly attacking the idea that renting could possibly be cheaper.
January 27th, 2010 at 5:56 am
One benefit of renting is that if you are single you can get a roommate to save on costs. I save about $300 a month living in a two bedroom apartment with a roommate as opposed to living in a bachelor or one bedroom. I know sometimes people buy houses with friends to try and break into the housing market (particularly in very pricey markets), but I would be weary entering into such an arrangement with a friend.
Quality of life is definitely important. I live in Toronto where $200,000 will get you a one bedroom condo in a less than desirable neighborhood or really far out in the suburbs. If you want to live closer to downtown and be able to walk to shops and take the subway then you are looking at at least $275,000-300,000. And that’s just for a one bedroom condo (usually with high monthly fees).
January 27th, 2010 at 6:13 am
I agree that most of the reasons to own instead of rent are not at all financial. I was just thrilled to be able to change whatever I wanted. I was tired of living in places with terrible windows. In general, landlords put the cheapest of everything in their apartments. I frankly don’t blame them, but that doesn’t make it any more pleasant on a freezing cold day when your windows leak. Plus I had a terrible experience with a landlord - one who stole my security deposit and threatened to sue me for damage that I didn’t cause. That made me desperate to find a home. At some point, my husband and I just wanted the permanence.
I also think it depends on where you live. In our area, you would be hard pressed to find a house that would rent for less than $1,000, but our mortgage (with taxes) is only $1,000 and will go down to $800 once we pay off the second mortgage in a few years. That is much cheaper than we could rent the same house for. Yes, we have repairs and other things to worry about, but I don’t think it’s always that simple if you want to rent a house instead of an apartment.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:24 am
I really appreciate how much money I save by renting in just time usage alone. I’m not paying for the time and gas to go to HDepot (repeatedly), the time to make repairs, and as a DIY learning by mistake is inevitable and at times costly. After owning 3 different houses, a 70’s split level, and two 18th c. farmhouses. I may be jaded and tired, though I have learned a lot. I rent now, and instead of painting the walls, I’m painting landscapes in my free time.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:31 am
This is a great article. Thank you for the insight. I’ve read several articles on this topic but this is the best one I’ve seen. Most focus on the financial aspects of buying vs. renting. I like that yours focuses on the emotional aspect.
I am an Air Force brat and also spent my early twenties moving about once a year into different apartments with roommates. I got a great deal on a two bedroom condo three years and I finally felt like I had a home. Luckily, it was also a good financial decision for me, but the feeling of permancy was very important to me.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:32 am
It seems that I have seen this same thing written on a number of blogs lately. Since housing prices are not increasing 10% to 20% a year currently, now all of a sudden everyone thinks buying a house is a bad idea.
It is this very same rationale that causes people to buy houses and other things (such as stocks) at the very top of the market, and sell precisely at the bottom.
Everyone wants to buy something when it is very popular, and then sell it when it becomes unpopular.
To become wealthy, you need to do exactly the opposite. Buy when everyone else is selling, and sell when everyone else is buying.
It is for this very reason that I just bought my 2nd property last week (I am only 25). I bought a condo for $37,500 that I already have rented for $650 per month ($7,800 per year). That gives me a P/R ratio of 4.8. Yes, 4.8.
It seems like when a really bad market condition comes along, people always think that now the game has finally changed. The only thing is, the game hasn’t changed, and it probably never will. Human behavior is very predictable and human behavior drives the financial markets.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Great post. My wife and I rent and are in no hurry to purchase a house. While maybe some day I’ll look forward to home ownership. It’s not at the top of my agenda. I like the fact that I can funnel my money to other investments and am starting to create additional streams of passive income as opposed to having to pay for the additional costs of having a house like insurance and repairs. This is a good analysis of renting vs. buying.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Very interesting post. In our area (London, Ontario, Canada), renting a three bedroom house was somewhere in the $1000 to $1500 range. My wife and I were renting a one-bedroom apartment for $720 a month (plus utilities), when our house came up for sale. Our mortgage is approximately $1000, including property tax. It seemed to make sense. I love that we have a house now. I have such a sense of pride and accomplishment that renting didn’t give me. I felt great this past spring (our first in the house), planting grass seed and spreading dirt, fixing the uneven lawn that was driving me nuts!
I wouldn’t go back to renting.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Thank you for this post. My husband and I have been renting for years and will continue to do so for several more. We love renting- the simplicity, the low cost, the freedom. Also, with no children (and no plans to have any) many of the needs people associate with houses (yard, extra room, etc.) simply don’t exist for us.
I too grow weary of everyone giving me the ‘throwing your money away’ speech. The way I see it, I’d rather spend my weekends out riding my mountain bike and visiting friends than buying endless stuff at Home Depot and constantly having to fix my abode.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:48 am
I’m not convinced that renting is the way to go. In the next few years, if we have hyper-inflation, all other costs (including rent) are going to go up while the (fixed) mortgage will stay the same. It wont’ make one rich, but it seems it might help you not get into a bigger hole.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I certainly agree that in some places renting can be a financially beneficial scenario. Where I live my mortgage payment is the same as renting a comparable apartment and in 15-years when that is paid off I will have that additional $1,000/mo freed up to either save/invest (that is just the P&I, I will still have taxes/insurance). I remove the Housing piece from my monthly expense equation.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:04 am
This argument has been made many times, and if the end result is usually the same: If you’re planning on moving around a lot, renting is better. If you’re planning on staying put for many years, owning is better.
The thing is, there’s a good chance that someday you’ll be 65 years old. And you can either own your own home by then, or be facing $3,000/month in rent (which is what it will be by then, adjusting for inflation). The nice things about a mortgage payment are that it doesn’t grow with inflation, and someday you get to stop paying it, completely.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:11 am
“If I had it to do again, I’d never buy this house.”
My husband & I say this often enough. It’s great to have our house with our own yard. We have a pool for the kids & the dog has the run of a fenced in backyard (something renters have to take into consideration if they have pets is that the majority of rentals do not allow animals) and a small (very) garden. It is the only home our kids have lived in.
But, we have been thinking that in a few years when the kids are gone, we’ll probably sell and go back to renting, knowing what we know now about the true cost of being a homeowner.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Renting looks more and more attractive to me. Most of the rent vs. own calculators (esp. those shared by realtors) seem to focus on the equity build vs. “throwing away rent money” aspects, ignoring the costs of repair, yardwork, utilities, etc. - many of which can be substantial, and many of which are included in the rent. Owning makes moving or going on long trips more difficult.
There is some peace that comes with paying off a mortgage. But even then, housing expenses/headaches don’t end, they’re just reduced.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:17 am
I’d like to buy somewhere (and I can afford to at the moment), particularly as 1-bed unfurnished rentals are not easy to come by where I’m living right now (I have a flat’s-worth of furniture in storage), and it’s as economic to buy as rent in my area.
However, I’m seriously considering whether I should continue renting when I finish my PhD, as I don’t know for sure if I’m going to be staying here long term - I want to stay in academia and short-term contracts are the norm for early career academics. Once you factor in the costs of buying and selling, renting is way cheaper if I’m going to move towns every couple of years.
As far as I’m concerned, if I buy a house, I’m not buying it as an investment, I’m buying it as a place to live in. Controversial I know…
January 27th, 2010 at 7:19 am
My P/R is 35! I am happy to rent for now.
I also plan for extended travel after my contract ends, which would be very difficult to do with a mortgage.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 am
I’m always listening to friends tell me that renting is “throwing my money away.” But, for me, renting almost always makes more sense. For one thing, I’m given the freedom of moving when I need to, without worrying about listing and selling a home. As a college senior, it’s very important because I’m not sure where my career is going to take me. Another thing is that if D or I lost our jobs, we could afford the rent on one person’s income. However, to afford a mortgage on our own would be very unrealistic at this point. (We have cheap rent - $460 each month.)
Also, I’ve looked at homes in our area, and almost all of them would be just too large for our needs. I wouldn’t want to buy a one bedroom/one bath home (for resale purposes), but that’s all the space we need. A lot of people buy a large house and then spend tons of money to fill up every room with furniture, even if it’s not going to be used frequently enough to warrant the expense. I’m not interested.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 am
I want to reiterate the point that having a mortgage is forced savings.
I have many friends who rent rather than own, and their monthly costs are definitely lower than if they had bought a home or condo.
But, with only a single exception, they do not save the difference, and this is the downfall of renting when you don’t have the discipline to invest the difference in costs. They blow the extra money they have on clothes, going out, cars, their lifestyle. In the end, they would be better off buying a home, because they would have something to show for 25 years of housing costs, aside from old clothes, hangovers and “good time” memories.
And I think that a lot of the articles that are now extolling the virtue of renting over owning, are missing the fact that people are only getting half of the equation here. In order for renting to be better, you need to 1) rent and 2) invest the difference between what your rent costs and what home ownership would cost.
IF you lack the discipline to invest or save the difference between what you would pay in rent, and what you would pay for a mortgage on the equivelant property, then you are better off buying a house and using your mortgage as a forced savings plan.
And sorry to say, I would guess that the MAJORITY of renters out there lack the discipline. GRS readers are the exception, not the rule.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:33 am
The rent-buy decision really depends on where you live. We wanted to live outside of town, and our only choices were to rent an apartment for $1000 a month or find a smaller house. We’re paying less on the mortgage ($900, including taxes) than we would to rent - and one day, the mortgage will be paid off and we’ll only be paying taxes.
There are two types of senior citizens in our town, the renters and the home owners. Both types are struggling right now, but once you’re retired the difference between owning your home and paying for rent can be HUGE. Yes, you’ll have to fix the roof when it leaks. Yes, that broken toilet is your problem. But it’s much easier to “make due” and survive if you don’t have the threat of next month’s rent coming due. A new roof costs $5,000 one time… but paying $700 in rent costs $8,000+ each year. If you don’t think you’re “paying” for that roof or repair, think again.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Owning a house is one of our long-term goals, but it is not our top financial priority. We got out of debt and started having kids and saving for retirement first, and our next goal is to replace our almost-outgrown car.
It’s difficult to rent long-term when you are really a homeowner at heart, but it has been one of the best financial decisions that we’ve made.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:37 am
I love the blog, but I have to disagree with this.
I am a landlord of 3 properties myself, but renting where I live at the moment (weird situation) so I know both sides of the story. I am looking to buy somewhere within the next 6 months and for some very good reasons.
Right now my rent is 25% of my income. Assuming I never moved, my rent would increase each year and my rent would always be 25% of my income or thereabouts.
However, buying a house today for £300k my mortgage would be 30% of my income. However… in 10 years time my wages will have risen with inflation but my mortgage will be the same. After 25 years I wouldn’t have a mortgage at all.
Also, while growth of house prices may be the same as inflation, all £300k of my house is growing but I will have only put £100k as a down payment, so I’m getting growth on another £200k. I could put a smaller down payment and increase the leverage.
If I pay off my mortgage in 9 years (which I plan to) then no one can ever take my house away if I lose my job. I then only need to take a very low paying job to cover property tax, gas, electric and food. If I continue renting however I will have to fund the rent from somewhere else and could end up evicted as a low paying job would not be enough.
Renting is good for some people in short term scenarios or if they move a lot or can’t afford to buy in a nice safe neighbourhood. I love people that do chose to rent as they are funding my retirement fund but for most people, especially people reading this blog I can’t imagine it is the right long term choice for all but a very small percentage of people.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:42 am
My P/R ratio is 11. I just bought a home for less per month (and I didn’t put anything down really - yes there really are still ways to do this) than the comparable rental in my neighborhood. I guess its actually about $50 more when you add in the HOA fees, but still, very similar to renting, in an area of the country that has very high home prices and high renting prices (northern VA - metro dc area). But there were a LOT less headaches when renting. I’ve owned the house for less than 6 months and replaced the entire piping system, entire HVAC, sump pump, redone the entire basement because it flooded from a failed sump pump, etc the list goes on. My budget now includes a line item for the home depot because I go there so much. I personally like doing projects, but my Fiancee is not so happy about it. Hopefully one day we will be “finished” with all of the upgrades I want to do.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:46 am
This analysis has been done time after time. I’m going to somewhat agree with Kevin on this in that you would want to buy if you are going to stay somewhere for a while (five years or more) and rent otherwise. You can thrown numbers at the game, but really you can pretty much pick and choose to make your decision look correct.
I also feel that this analysis is a bit “trendy”, given the current real estate market — which is indeed in a slump for sellers and contractors. But it’s in GREAT shape for people who are wanting to buy a house. For the “buy a house” part of the entry, you analyze numbers since 1926, saying that homes have beaten inflation by one percent. In the section on renting, it’s all based solely on “now” numbers. How much have rents increased since 1926? I’m betting that rents have increased more than mortgage on that same house in 1926!
All that said, it really does come down to how you want to live your life, and what stage you are at in that life, as well as where you live.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I have another reason to not jump into a house, and that’s the cost of changing your mind. You can always leave an apartment at the end of a lease, but there are significant costs to changing homes.
I bought my l’il condo in December, 2003. There were exactly 3 places in Chicago that met my criteria. I did get a great deal, and got a place in an up-and-coming neighborhood so that the value has risen nicely.
However, at the time I compromised on a number of things, thinking that I could always sell and buy a different place if I really didn’t like it. Fast forward 6 years and guess what? If I don’t want to move to a different area, I won’t get anything better for the money than I already have. The costs of real estate agents and moving and closing are prohibitive. So I’m not going to change places.
The moral of the story is: when you buy, there are some pretty significants barriers to exiting the place you choose.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Interesting point of view. With your ratio calculations I didn’t see an adjustment for an increase in market value of the home? Regardless of the real estate bubble.
I don’t mind paying monthly a little more than I would to rent someone else’s house. After taxes, I come out ahead. It’s all about mortgage planning. Some people purchased when they shouldn’t have.
I love the fact that in 20 more years . . . I won’t have to pay rent or a mortgage. I could even pay rent somewhere else and rent out my place and receive a steady income. Maybe even invest now in a few more properties to do the same . . .
I wouldn’t call them myths - just not the standard for everyone.
Find an ethical, knowledgably mortgage planner and financial planner to plan your financial future.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:03 am
I live in Brooklyn, NY, and I cannot see myself buying a home, condo, or co-op here. I’m simply not interested in owning a house at this point of my lifeI, and properties are very expensive here. like the freedom of renting an apartment. If I get an irrepressible urge to own a home, I’ll probably move upstate or out of state.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Just to be clear: The bottom line isn’t “buying is better” or “renting is better”. It’s “do what works for you”. If you can afford a house and want to live in a house, then buy a house. But if can’t afford a house or you’d rather rent, then rent. Either option is fine. What my research has shown — and let’s be clear that this isn’t necessarily “trendy” research as some are saying, since much of it is based on bubble-era articles — is that neither option is superior to the other; it just depends on your goals.
And while I hear what people are saying abut renting make more sense of tenants have the discipline to invest their savings, I still think it can make sense even if people don’t do that. If renting is cheaper, then investing the difference is great, but even if you don’t, you’ve improved your cash flow so that you can spend the money on other priorities. One example I keep using is that of Chris Guillebeau. He rents (and doesn’t own a car) so that he can have extra cash to travel all over the world.
Bottom line: Choose the option that matches your goals and priorities.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I’m a little confuesed by you stating that these myths it appears that you are “pro renting”. These 3 items are only myths for some ill informed people, while are reality for others.
“The housing industry is huge, and it spends a lot of time propagating certain myths about homeownership, myths like:
•If you rent, you’re throwing your money away.
•Owning your home is a forced savings plan.
•Home ownership is a path to wealth.”
January 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
I agree with you JD, I used to think ownership was the only way to go, but I’m older, wiser and can see benefits both ways. But - one thing that never seems to be mentioned is that a mortgage is built in inflation protection. Unless you have rent control, the same cannot be said for renting.
Our mortgage right now is about $1,050 and it will be until we pay off the loan in 30 years (or earlier like we plan). Our taxes may go up, but that just means the value of our home is going up too.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Buying was the right choice for us. We like having control over our living space. The key difference for us is that we are (as Dave Ramsey says) living like no one else right now so that in 5 years we will OWN our home outright.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:17 am
I’m one of those people for whom buying a place makes no financial sense at all. I pay $1600 per month in rent, and I’ve priced similar condos to buy - my payment would be about $2500 per month even in a cheaper neighborhood AND I’d have to spend all my savings as a down payment. That makes no sense to me.
Add to that the fact that I’m early in my career and want to keep my options open for moving, that my husband is talking grad school (moving), and that I live in a city 1000 miles from my nearest family. I love it but I’d hate to feel stuck here.
The whole “forced savings” thing is kind of silly because I save plenty, and I keep it in a bank that’s FDIC insured, not in a house whose value can drop at any time.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:19 am
My life keeps taking me to live in high cost of living places. My rent is $1500/mo for a tiny one bedroom. If I make the move I’m looking at, it’ll prolly be about the same. I’m priced out of owning a home right now.
There’s no rush for me, though. The only places I could afford would be in some suburban area somewhere in the Midwest. I’m not ready to give up city life yet.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Something that often gets overlooked in this equation is rent control. If you live in an area where laws cap how much your rent can increase every year, then that adds a huge security element to renting. But if you’re not that fortunate, then renting can be quite risky - just as risky as buying and being responsible for maintenance costs.
In my current area, there’s no rent control. My landlord could choose to triple my rent tomorrow if she wanted. And when I first moved here, that was a very common occurrence in rental apartment buildings when the landlord wanted to convert to condos. A lot of low income people (mainly single parent families and seniors) were made homeless by this practice.
I rent, and I’m happy to, but I find people often make renting out to be totally carefree, when usually, that’s not the case.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I’m firmly in the buying camp. My wife works and we don’t live off her income (gives her a sense of freedom). We’re in our early 30s and have paid off our house. We don’t plan on paying rent or mortage the rest of our lives. There’s a strong sense of satisfaction with that that we could never get either renting for life or buying more of a house than we need. It’s nice to not have to plan on appreciated rent when we retire. We can do something else.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Thanks for this article. I come from a real estate family, and despite getting my Masters degree in finance and having a 6 figure salary at a young age, investing regularly and living well within my means, I am the black sheep for not owning a house.
I have lived abroad, including 3 years in Bermuda and four years in Montreal, and have never in my life lived anywhere for more than 4 years. I love to travel and live in new places. Buying a house would anchor me down and make me settle. Yuck! I’m hoping for a transfer out to Australia or London next year.
This does not mean, contrary to my family’s belief and seemingly every PF book I’ve read, that I have no savings or net worth and will be forced to live my retirement under a bridge or with no quality of living. I am saving nearly 30% of my gross income every year and investing it diversely in tax sheltered index funds, bond index funds, and in good old fashioned ING savings for my EF.
Renting makes sense for some people!
January 27th, 2010 at 8:32 am
When we lived in Phoenix a few years ago people kept telling us we had to buy a house — that we were throwing our money away renting and we would seriously regret our decision. I can now say with total confidence we did the right thing. One of the reasons we didn’t buy was that we weren’t sure what we wanted to do in the long run. We now live in another state while my husband pursues a PhD — making that dream come true would not have been possible if we had been tied down to a house. Another strong reason was that we didn’t have a down payment saved yet — we were assured that this was not a problem and shown some of the ways that you can do 100% financing and how you could keep your payments really low with an interest only and then refinance with the amazing amound of equity we would have. I didn’t believe it — I’m stunned that so many people did. I do hope to own a home someday but when the timing is right for us professionally, personally, and financially. I really think one of the things that went wrong with the housing bubble was that people felt rushed into home buying and didn’t take the time to really consider the purchase on a practicle day to day level (upkeep) and financially. I’m happy renting for now and when I lend an ear to friends who are upside down, had their mortgage payments double, or are facing forclosure I sympathize, but am also very glad I made the “idiotic” decision to rent.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Hey J.D.,
You nailed it with the bit about it not just being about money.
As long as people buy a house because they WANT to for personal and happiness reason - rather than for financial gain (which they obviously won’t get, as you point out) - then they should go for it.
It’s all about being conscious and having a clear reason for why you’re doing something.
Get the facts, see the big picture. Then do something only because you WANT to, rather than for some potential gain that probably won’t happen and will leave you unsatisfied.
Awesome to see more and more evidence that renting really is the smarter option for most people (especially young people in their 20s like myself). Confirms my suspicions… and gives me relief about not missing out by buying a house or whatever
Congrats on finishing your book “Your Money” and I’m excited for the launch of it.
Great stuff J.D.,
Oleg
January 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Here in Europe, renting is far more common than in America, and it is also socially accepted. What I like about renting is that it gives me a sense of freedom and wealth: I do not have a mortgage, and I am able to build up savings which makes me feel good. That means, I am earning interest, not paying interest on a mortgage. Looking at my bank statements makes me feel rich. Looking at mortgage statements would make me worry about being able to make my mortgage payments in the future.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Mental telepathy! I was just about to write a post along these lines myself.
Unless you plan to live in a place for the rest of your life, buying may actually have more drawbacks than renting…or at least, so it seems to me.
My father, who was a merchant seaman, did not buy a house until he retired. We lived in rentals all the time I was growing up. When he did retire — at about the age of 53 — he had enough in the bank to buy a house and a car in cash and still finance his and my mother’s old age in the style to which they intended to remain accustomed.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:42 am
I love the housing affordability calculator.
I plugged in the numbers for my current housing situation: 40% down, house purchased 50% below market at a foreclosure auction a year ago (even in today’s crummy resale market) and the calculator told me what I already know: Buying easily made sense.
Then, I plugged in the numbers for the house I used to ‘own’ before this one: a McMansion newly built for me 7 years ago and into which I threw money for 6 stressful years. With an inflated mortgage of well over half a million dollars at the interest rate I was being charged at that time of 9.75% and 11.25% for two loans I couldn’t afford, it NEVER made sense for me to have wasted my money so. But that was back in the day when I still hadn’t confronted my psychological problems with money. Unfortunately, it took me a long time to realize that I was ultimately going to lose my house, which I did when the bubble popped.
Things are a whole lot different today thank goodness!! I love my 1970s architectural gem far, far more than my ex-custom pile. Probably because I can actually afford it.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:43 am
I agree that renting makes sense for lots of people (especially people who are about to move or who need to stay flexible in where they live and people who live in places where renting is much cheaper). I even agree that buying a house may not help you financially while you are paying a mortgage, especially if you keep refinancing to pull out more money. And although I do think that renting is “throwing away money,” I also think that financing a house is throwing away even more money. (Only $30 of my first house payment was going toward principal; the rest was all being thrown away.) Also it’s very hard to find houses as small as some apartments. And I should also mention that people tend to spend a lot more money decorating and personalizing places they buy than places they rent.
However, if you buy a house and live there for several decades, eventually you could pay off the mortgage. And when that happens, all you have to pay are taxes, insurance, repairs, and utilities. And because it’s your property, you can choose to make more updates that will reduce your utilities bills than you could if you were renting. You can also choose durable materials in your repairs to minimize future costs.
Surely just taxes + insurance + repairs will be less than rent. Right?
Meanwhile, when I bought my house in 1996, my monthly payments were $610 (+ repairs) and now they are $810 (+ repairs). If I were to buy my house now, even with the lower interest rates that are available today, I would be paying around $1,500/month. When I pay my house off in 2-3 years, that amount will be reduced by $505 (the amount of the principal + interest). So buying a house, when you know you’re not going to move (and I admit, no one ever really knows that) means that if prices go up faster than inflation, you can sell at a profit and if prices plummet, so do your property taxes and insurance.
Also, I would like to remind the house-owning readers that not all landlords actually fix things. Yes, it is their problem and not yours, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to be living with a leaking roof while continually begging your landlord as they either do nothing or do something that doesn’t work followed by something else that doesn’t work.
Also, property taxes do go up with inflation and if you don’t pay them, you can get kicked out of your house. I like to think that if my taxes got too high to pay, then this must mean my house was worth a big pile of money, so I could sell it and move someplace cheaper. (Or it could just mean that the government is poor and raising taxes to compensate.)
@Meghan – I bought a house as a single person and usually have a roommate. You do have to pay taxes on this “income,” though, unless the rent you are charging is significantly lower than the market rate.
As far as nonfinancial issues: I don’t like dealing with the yard and repairs, but I do like being able to jump and dance (and even walk “loudly”) at all hours, not to mention play the piano. On the other hand, all my neighbors feel like they have to fill up their backyards with dogs or even roosters, not to mention weekly mowing, so I find things are actually louder now!
January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 am
I agree it’s kind of a toss up when you’re working, and probably oftentimes renting is a better idea during your working years. . . but I agree with people talking about the difference between renting and having a paid off home during retirement. Has anyone done the numbers on saving the amount during your life for rent but then renting during retirement vs paying off a home during working years and then just paying for taxes, maintenance etc. during retirment?
January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 am
I have been a renter for almost 3 years. I have lived in two different one bedroom apartments, 700 sq. ft. It might not sound like much space, but it is more than enough for me.
I have learned alot about what I like and don’t like, and I can apply that knowledege to a home, when and if I ever buy one. Vaulted ceilings makes a small room seem huge and living on the top floor eliminates the footnoise of a stompy neighbor, it is worth a little extra money to be on the top floor. I live on a golf course with a beautiful view, for $600 a month, it is less than any home, on any golf course, anywhere.
I am financially secure and make plenty of money to buy my own home, but I chose to rent because I like the perks of renting (namely low maintenance). In addition to that, if I had a 1500-2000 sq. ft. three bedroom home it would simply be more space to heat and cool.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:48 am
I don’t know about the US, but in Italy the prices of houses and flats keeps going down, while rents are always the same (expensive, that is).
Maybe in the US buying is less affordable ’cause houses are quite bigger than ours…?
January 27th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Great article. We have purchased 3 properties that we lived in and now rent out. Fast forward 10 years later with 4 kids in multiple activities and a desire to have a life of my own that does not include paying for and cleaning a huge house, we continue to rent out the other houses and rent a small 3 bedroom for ourselves. I love renting because of the time it gives me, the flexibility to move (6 times in 10 years). However, we are not the best at socking away money so we plan to keep at least 2 of the rentals as ‘forced savings’ for down the road when we retire. Financially it we would be better off selling and saving the difference but we know ourselves better and know that we would not save enough of the difference in 20 years that would give us a steady income of $6K a month that we should have by then if we hold on to them.
Love the comments too! Oh and let me mention another pro of renting. I have a huge pool and small, but lovely garden and gym that I do not have to maintain!!!! My kids do say they miss the big house, but I explain that their activities and excellent education and mommy’s sanity come at a cost….so stop whining: )
January 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Hey, thanks for linking up my old post!
Surprisingly, even with the recent declines in home prices, renting is still the better financial decision in many markets across the country. With rents currently declining as well and vacancy rates at record highs, it looks like renting may still be financially attractive for the near term.
I’d like to again second the recommendation of the NYT buy-vs-rent calculator. Easily the best and most thorough one on the web. Punch in the numbers for your specific area to see if renting is still the better choice in your particular neck of the woods.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am
The problem with this is the assumption that renting is somehow cheaper.
over time it isn’t. Ever.
The decision needs to be based on timeframe. As others have said, it your situation is temporary, renting usually make sense.
But renting usually makes sense on all temporary things. A car on vacation. A moving truck. an airline ticket.
You rent all of these becaseu the use is temporary. If your living arrangements are temporary. Rent.
But if your living arrangements are a bit more permanent, or if you have kids in school, etc, then owning always wins. Just like owning is usually better with cars, clothes, furniture, appliances and anyhting else you use regularly and permanently.
That rental…someone OWNS it. All rentals are owned by someone. Why?
They all make money, or are supposed to anyway. That is the entire purpose or being a landlord. Your landlord isn’t losing money by renting to you. He owns it for $700, and rents it for $1000. He deducts the depreciation. He wins, not you. Not over time. 15 years from now he still owns it. It is likely now paid for. His expenses have gone way down. Your rent has gone way up. doubled. You still aren’t winning.
So, if your situation is more permanent, you are always better off owning than renting. The cost is fixed. IT does not increase with inflation. And at some point in time that cost ends.
Actually, the easist way to compare is to not assume there is a mortgage. Assume you have $200K cash. The house can be bought for $200K or rented for $1000 per month.
Your $200k invested at a fixed guaranteed rate of 5%, which is unlikely today only yields $10k per year, or $833 per month. Plus it is taxable income, so the net is likely $700-$750 per month.
Or you could pay cash for the home. No payment. No $1000 rent. You still have a $200k asset, but it grows TAX FREE. And you aren’t losing $250 per month by renting.
Over 30 years, that is a difference of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And if you still like renting, rent it out…to yourself.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am
I want to clarify that I am pro rent, but in a nice community that is professionally managed not from a private landlord…too unpredictable.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:07 am
There’s one part of this argument that always confuses me. Isn’t comparing a return on a home vs. return on a stock comparing apples vs. oranges?
If I buy a $300,000 house and it appreciates 1% each year, that’s 1% of $300,000, and then it compounds.
If I rent and sock away what I save by renting, say $500/month, put that in stocks, and got the 6.8% return you mention, that’s 6.8% on $500, which I add to each month.
I know there are enormous costs associated with borrowing the money for the house (some of which can be mitigated by paying the loan down early), but if you did a side-by-side comparison over 30 years with this scenario or others, what would be the net difference? How much money (equity) would I have in my home vs. how much money would I have in the bank (so I don’t have to worry about being homeless in retirement)?
January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am
I agree with everything in this article, except one thing. The statement that “Buying a house is forced savings” is not a myth. For far too many Americans, home equity is the ONLY wealth that people have at retirement (and not just people in million+ dollar homes). Alexandra #23 is right. Many of these people would not save the difference if they did not have a mortgage. The mortgage is forced saving.
The forced savings of home ownership is something generally agreed upon in the academic economics community, among both retirement and housing economists, so I’m not sure why anybody would think it is a myth. Yes, there are a lot better (more diversified) ways to save, but if you’re not going to save without it, it is better than just having Social Security or SSI at retirement.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I am 23, bought my house on a 30 year fixed a year ago. My house will be paid off before I am 40. So, if I stay where I am I will be living rent free for the last half of my life. If I decide to sell, I’ll be moving to a smaller home (we bought big, since the market is down). Our house has already appreciated 10%.
I don’t look at my house as a “forced savings plan.” Its a dwelling when I can live, not have to worry about my mortgage going up, and since the mortgage is only 20% of my net income (and thats paying extra on principal) and I can assume my income will raise at least 3% a year, this means my house will seem cheaper.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am
I live in LA. It definitely makes a lot of sense to rent. Renting is so much cheaper than buying that the difference is baffling.
However, I still want to buy even though I know it doesn’t make financial sense.
I’m just tired of cheap windows, lack of storage, cheap kitchen cabinets, and not having adequate covered parking spaces.
Now that I am finally at the point in life where I will be settling down in a year or so, I am going to house hunt as soon as next winter rolls around.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
I think that renting or owning a house has to be considered with the current local market of rent price vs. own price, properties taxes and so on. We did all kinds of calculations and decided to buy rather than rent.
We bought our first house because with the same amount of monthly payment (around $2400~3000/month), we could:
- rent in a very small town house or probably just an apartment at downtown Silver Spring in a nice neighborhood, or
- pay a mortgage plus all extra fees such as property tax, insurances, security system, to own a house in a nice neighbor near Silver Spring (20 minutes driving).
The extra benefits that we have been receiving from owning the first house:
- good feelings: we have a house of our own. Don’t have to pay extra rent of $25/month just because we have a cat. My husband and I both enjoy working for our house like having a garden, building a shed here, planning on building a sunroom there, etc..
- we have tax deduction as we don’t have to pay tax on the amount that used to pay mortgage interest. I don’t think people can have tax deduction on the rent money.
- In the long run, we have what is called “house equity” - this is I believe the “throw away money while renting”.
All of the benefits that we have by owning the first house actually had helped us to save enough and bought a second house last year.
Now, if - yes, if - we worked and lived in not-crowded-area VA, we should rent instead of own a house as the rent is awfully low in suburb areas. One of our friends is paying for around $300/month renting for a big house, not a condo or an apartment - a real house in more than 1 acre lot. But that is just an if to us, we can’t deal with spending at least 3 hours in traffic every day (with no traffic jams) back and forth between suburb Fredericksburg and DC.
I have read above that some people complaining about fixing things around the house. Any house/condo always needs maintenance and once you live in it - rent or buy - you will have to pay in order to keep it working for you.
This is actually a good time to find a good house to buy, so buy a good house instead of buy a fixer-upper, and buy a house or at least a townhouse instead of an apartment or condo in big buildings. We bought our first house as-is because that was when the market was still up, it was cheaper to get a fixer-upper house at that moment. However last year when shopping for the second house, we found plenty of inexpensive nice ready-to-move houses. It actually was hard for us at first to realize that we could buy a house and do nothing except sitting back and enjoying it. Our mind were still set for “buy and fix would be cheaper” even though the market had been down for awhile.
PS: I said buy a house or a townhouse, not an apartment or condo in big buildings as I was so fed up with living in blocks. My neighbors cooked plenty of smelly foods, another neighbor couldn’t deal with the smell so she tipped toes to the hall at night and sprayed Freeze in the air - which didn’t help my nose, a young guy next door always played music loudly, I accidentally ruined my one-floor-below neighbor’s bedroom decoration because I had forgot to turn off water for the bathtub.. such and such.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Who vacations in Duluth? I use to live by there and it is not a town I would vacation in
Hahha - just kidding
Right now I rent and while I would love to own my own place because I have a job and love the city i live in..i really does not make sense. I love being able to call in the landlord when something goes wrong, though sometimes I wish I could paint and have a cat..oh the dilemas! I think we are all fortunate to have this dilema alone
January 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am
#50 Troy– your argument is ALMOST what my students get in public finance, but you’re missing the last piece which gives it the exact opposite bottom line.
In general equilibrium, everybody with the capital to buy a house for renting has a choice to buy housing or put that money in the stock market.
If buying housing is more profitable, they will flood the housing market until it is no longer more profitable than the stock market. Once the rate of return from real estate is equal to the (risk and hassle adjusted) rate of return from the stock market, the market will be in equilibrium.
On average, buying rentals and putting money in the stock market will give you the same rate of return.
Of course, individual housing markets are in constant flux, so sometimes you’ll lose money and sometimes you’ll make it big. But there’s no one heuristic for whether you should rent or buy in all markets. JD’s article is then correct on mostly all points.
There is a general heuristic that if you’re staying put for 5 or more years, you’re likely to recoup your transaction costs and the market will likely be higher than when you bought, so it is likely that buying is better than renting in that scenario.
(Our house has been going up steadily at 2%/year…. not as good as the stock market, but we have the benefit that we don’t have to live near college students, for which we pay a premium.)
January 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I will agree that renting is usually cheaper per month than buying. If you are going to move around or just don’t want to deal with home maintenance, then renting is totally for you.
My husband and I got sick of our rent being increased by 10% at the end of every lease, having crappy appliances all the time (like a dishwasher that couldn’t clean rinsed-off plates), hearing our neighbors music through our walls, and having to pay huge non-refundable pet deposits ($300-$500) for a well-trained, clean, quiet, middle-aged Dachshund mutt.
We were renting a 1050 square foot, 1 bedroom apartment in Houston, TX for $730 a month in 2006. Our 1750 square foot, 3 bedroom home was bought in 2007 and is about $990 a month for the mortgage, taxes, and homeowner’s insurance. We also spend about $850 a year on maintenance costs that we didn’t have in the apartment - $380 for annual lawn service, $320 for annual pest prevention, and about $150 on things that need to be fixed…it really is cheap if you do it yourself or know the right people. It also helps if you find a home that is in great shape to start with…ours was less than 5 years old and hasn’t had any major issues yet.
In short, we pay an extra $3970 a year for 700 extra square feet and none of the problems we had when renting. When we do move, our house will be worth something.
We got $0 after moving out of the apartments we paid about $18,000 to live in for 2 1/2 years.
By the time we pay off our house (no later than 2018…11.33 years total or less), we will have put in about $145,000 for the mortgage and interest, $27,500 for the taxes, $9000 for homeowners insurance, and $15,000-$20,000 in maintenance costs if we replace the A/C, the water heater, a couple of major appliances, and continue paying for lawn and pest services. That comes to no more than $201,500. If our house appreciates 2% a year for the next 11 years, that is about $160,000. That means we will have “wasted” about $41,500.
If we had rented for $730 a month for 11 years, that comes to $96,360.
By owning our home, we will have saved at least $54,000 in 11 years plus we will not have a mortgage payment again until we choose to move.
Yes, renting is cheaper short-term, but it really is money that you will never see again. Buying a home should never be seen as a money-making investment, but at least it gives you something tangible.
I would say that each person needs to take a close look at the numbers in their area to see whether owning a home is the best idea. My husband and I will never rent again.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
JD, you jumped around it, but I would like to explicitly state, that there is a MENTALITY that has to go along with being a homeowner. When we bought our first house I had an awful time getting DH to understand that, when you own a house, deferred maintenance is eating away at the value of YOUR property. The costs ARE yours and if you don’t want to pay a plumber $300 you’d better understand what CAN and CANNOT be flushed (my old roommate flushed paper towels as she was cleaning, *shudder*), and why it is a bad idea to just toss bacon grease down the drain. One day I was packing a two week business trip and we were having a fight about getting things done and he asked me what I wanted him to do while I was gone and I told him, “Pretend that it’s YOURS!” It finally got through to him that part of his responsibility was knowing what needs to be done. The other part is doing it.
Some people don’t want to learn these skills and take that responsibility, which as you pointed out is a completely legitimate choice. But what drives me crazy is people who not only don’t take into account what it will cost to do your own maintenance, but don’t DO the maintenance. As we look at investment properties you can often tell the ones that people are getting out of because they shouldn’t have owned a home in the first place. Immaturity, laziness, ignorance, or just in over their heads. No matter the cause it’s very sad to see a place fall to crap and lose value because it’s not taken care of, or it’s patched together because someone is cheap or doesn’t know better.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
I love that renting lets me afford to live in a neighborhood where I could not afford to buy.
It is amazing how brain-washed Americans are about home ownership, to the point that it seems many don’t even consider renting. They buy a home even when they might only be in a city for a year or two. And we seem to have internalize a notion that profiting on a home is a fundamental human right. I wish more people realized that homes are investments, and investments can make or lose money. I wish more people would also realize that they definitely should not buy if they won’t be in the home for 5-10 years, preferably even longer.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
This article confirms one of the main reasons my wife and I continue to rent. Although we’ve only been married a few years, family, friends, work colleagues, and society in general has been pressuring us to buy a house simply because that’s the thing to do.
Every year we do the math and the numbers always tell us now is not the right time. We’d rather put the money we’re saving on rent and potential home ownership costs toward funding our IRAs, paying down graduate school debt, and having a baby. Plus, we are planning on relocating for work over the next couple of years and we want the freedom to pack up and leave whenever the opportunity presents itself.
J.D., thanks for reminding your readers that sometimes going against conventional wisdom makes better sense than following the crowd.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 am
haha, “For example, say you find a $200,000 house for sale in a nice neighborhood.”
What, maybe like this one?
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Cruz/64-Ortalon-Ave-95060/home/2126396
Oh, wait, that’s not $200,000 at all. Based on your 2.5x number, I only have to be making $350k/year to afford hat house. Housing prices are ridiculous.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am
I find it odd that The Tim hasn’t posted P/R in a while… hmm maybe you should ask him for a roundup!
January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am
As has been said on this site numerous times, buying a house will be the largest purchase most people ever make. Therefore, it’s very important to get it right — and like most important decisions, it’s not an easy one to make. I think the point JD was trying to make is that a TON of factors go into whether it’s right for you. I rent, mostly because I’ve been actively looking to find another job, which would almost certainly require me to move — so owning isn’t an option. Sure, I could have been building equity for a few years now, but then what if I move and can’t sell the home? What are the costs of having to rent elsewhere while paying this mortgage, what if I rent the home and it gets trashed, or what if the numbers just don’t work out enough that I could take a job in another area. Surely all of those costs would eat away at the equity if not put me at an overall loss.
Additionally, there’s the risk of buying at the wrong time — as anyone who bought maybe 5 years ago knows. But, as mentioned above, what if inflation gets out of control and the cost of renting doubles in 2 years?
Beyond the savings/equity argument, there are plenty of other financial issues as well. Older houses are cheaper, but they often require a lot of work. Hiring help is expensive, and certainly less efficient than the share you pay for the full-time maintenance person on staff at many apartments. I’m pretty handy, so if I need to replace or fix something, it’s not too expensive. But many people aren’t, and every time you need something fixed, it’s $100/hr to have it done. And then there’s mowing, snow-removal, etc… that either takes time or money, or both.
And the psychological factor is huge. I grew up in a house where our yard was about 1/4 of a city block. I now share a “common area” with 100 others. Not being able to watch a loud movie a midnight in an apartment is a big negative. So are neighbors sharing a wall. But what’s a trash shoot worth to avoid taking out the garbage in the winter? All of these things have a dollar value and should go into the overall decision.
Long story short, it’s very hard to know if buying a house is the best decision for anyone other than yourself.
January 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am
RE Geek @ 66 - Actually I have. Here’s a list that includes the P/R for a variety of cities around the country as of mid-2009: Housing Stats: Seattle vs. Other Big Cities. Here’s one for a handful of neighborhoods around Seattle: Rent vs. Buy Comparisons: Have the excesses been removed?
January 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am
The real estate website HotPads.com has a good buy-vs-rent calculator as well -http://hotpads.com/mortgageCalculator.htm - and it allows you to search for homes based on monthly payment, both rentals and for-sale to compare.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Sometimes you can come up with a P/R ratio on the exact place you are living in. At least in my case, I know my monthly rent and I can look up the estimated price of the house on zillow. According to that I have a P/R ratio of about 16.
As I mentioned, I (and my wife and upcoming baby) are renting right now. The numbers are getting a little more reasonable for buying than they used to be in my area a couple years ago. But as everyone says, it’s not just about the math (as much as I truly do love math.) In fact I think the biggest impediment to us buying may be my emotions - my reluctance to commit to living on this side of the country, and give up hope of moving back to the East coast where both my family and my wife’s family live. As long as we continue to rent, we’re only locked in to living away from our families for one more year.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Please don’t forget the cash impact of tax deductible expenses. If you already itemize, or your mortgage pushes you over the top, it can change the calculation. This is especially true in parts of the country with high property taxes. If you can change houses and at least break even on each sale, you are still money ahead. Although its possible to find a landlord that doesn’t cover their expenses with rent, it would seem to be unlikely.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Buying a house is only forced savings if you are not allowed to keep refinancing and cashing out any increase in equity or taking out huge lines of credit like enormous numbers of people were doing before the crash.
@Shara (62) – excellent point. I am STILL acquiring this mentality.
@KF (63) – good point about the brainwashing, too. We are also brainwashed to go to college if at all possible, get a good job, get married (to someone of the opposite gender), and have kids. Who knows what other brainwashing I have that I don’t realize. Sometimes it’s really hard to see what your options really are and what they could be like.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Great Post. I have been thinking about this a lot lately.
We “own” a home. Mortgage is $875/month, insurance $62.00/ month, property taxes $308/month, water & sewage $32.00/month. This year we paid $85.00 to repair our stove, $350.00 for a leaky water line, and $450.00 for a new hot water tank. I have no idea what we spent on miscellaneous home and yard maintenance (sorry JD) but let’s say a conservative $500.00. That comes to a total of $16,709 for the year. We’ll assume that there will be repairs and maintenance every year, some higher, some lower (last year we needed a new roof at the tune of $7200.00). So let’s say owning a home averages us $17,000.00 per year. Or $340,000.00 for 20 years. My home will not be worth $340,000.00 or more in 20 years. I would say it would be more like $200,000 to $225,000. I will lose a lot of money.
If I rent a house for $1,000.00 per month, the maintenance, insurance and property taxes, etc are someone else’s problem. I spend $12,000.00 per year, or $240,000.00 over twenty years. Even if my rent increases, which it probably will, I figure I am still ahead.
Am I crazy….or am I missing something?
January 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
@71 Debbie: “Buying a house is only forced savings if you are not allowed to keep refinancing and cashing out any increase in equity or taking out huge lines of credit like enormous numbers of people were doing before the crash”
That is true. Fortunately it is only a recent phenomenon and banks have become more cautious. Also, some states (like TX), only allow you to take out a certain percent of home equity as a loan.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
This is a really interesting article.
We moved about every 3 yrs when I was a kid. Nevertheless, my parents only rented when we were overseas. They took a hard hit on one house - dad’s office closed after only 1 yr - but they must have done ok overall because dad is in fine shape today and has helped 2 of us buy our own homes so far. Of course he was lucky too; the previous house he was in for 9+ yrs, sold at the top of the boom, went overseas for a few years, and was just able to buy an awesome house in a depressed area. Talk about buy low sell high! whew!
For ourselves, we bought for several reasons. Rents were comparable to the mortgage we got, and our house is better than anyplace we saw while renting. We also haven’t had the best luck getting landlords to actually DO anything. In addition we have two big dogs, always a drawback when trying to find a place to rent. Finally, we were really ready to settle down and STAY someplace; one of my goals in life is to live in one place for 5 yrs. (haven’t done it yet but we only need about 9 more months!!!)
It’s not perfect. There are some drawbacks. But I don’t think we could do better with a rental, money-wise or any other way I can think of.
Thanks for the great discussion. There are tons of situations where renting is better; we just aren’t in one of them right now.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am
TeresaA, did you consider that in 30 years you will have spent 120,000 more in mortgage (if your rent doesn’t go up, which it will) while you will have a 200,00+ house paid off? That seems like an advantage of 80,000k to me (before adding rent hikes).
January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
@ Shara #62, totally with you.
Re: myths, perhaps people would be less defensive if we called them “dogmas.” The three statements J.D. highlighted are opinions, not facts, and are easily countered OR supported, based on your personal values and assumptions. For example:
“Renting is throwing money away:” No, it is exchanging money for a place to live, and sometimes can represent significant savings over buying. DH and I currently exchange $2400/mo in rent for a place to live that would cost us over $4000/mo to buy (identical floor-plan across the street) - plus maintenance, plus HOA fees, plus property taxes/insurance, so really closer to $5000/mo - PLUS we would be committed for 30 years to never move, or have to gamble on getting our money out when we do move.
“Owning your home is a forced savings plan:” Not unless you sell your home for as much as or more than you’ve paid, INCLUDING improvements, interest, etc. What it IS, is an excellent way to lock down your fixed living expenses … and as such, is probably the best choice for MOST people if they are able to PAY OFF the home prior to retirement.
“Home ownership is a path to wealth:” Not unless the home itself gains in value at the same time that owning the home permits you to accumulate cash, and even then only if your primary definition of “wealth” is money. I’m sure Chris Guillebeau feels pretty wealthy without owning a home.
DH and I want to own a home for retirement. Ideally this will be a fairly small, low-maintenance house, with a little bit of land, in a mild climate, so that we can have the lowest possible fixed expenses and be as self-sufficient as possible in energy and food production. Those are practical reasons for buying a house … and I really think people would benefit if they looked ONLY at the practical and took all the emotion out of what is typically the biggest financial commitment of a lifetime.
Here in CA, the real estate market continues to slide. For those of us who DIDN’T buy when everyone was telling us to, a big opportunity is opening up. We will be able to find a property we want, in the area we want, at the price we want, because so many others saw housing as a get-rich-quick scheme instead of what it is: a place to live.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Sure, the idea of using the P/R ratio to determine if it’s better to rent or buy makes sense, but only at the time you do the comparison. The rental price will rise year after year, while your mortgage payment will only rise by the amount of property tax increases. My parents, for example, now only pay roughly $3000/year for a $100,000 home because they have paid their mortgage in full. They could never rent for that amount.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am
I have recently seen many articles like this that show that renting is financially as good as buying. After crunching all the numbers, every article has left out a huge, glaring fact: With buying, you have the potential to save or use the equity you have saved up…roll this over into your next home and work toward a no-mortgage existence. How huge is that? There is a risk of buying and loosing money on repairs and taxes and such. However, with renting, you loose every penny of your rent every time…no exceptions…100% reliable loss. These articles I have been seeing like this should say, “Renting is convenient if you don’t mind loosing your rent every time.” I’ve been a student for the past six years which has required regular relocations. I would have loved to have purchased instead of having to rent. With repairs, taxes and even the economic downturn causing lower house prices, there is no way I could have ever lost $72,000 (my rent bill for this time period). If I purchased a new furnace ($5,000), roof ($12,000), Refrigerator??? ($900) and lost $20,000 on the sale because of the economy…I’m still coming out over $35,000 ahead. Please correct me if I’m wrong…I’m trying to understand what people are trying to say about the equality of renting to buying but I just can’t see it.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Some of the folks that are advocating buying over renting because of the flat mortgage amount vs ever increasing rent are missing the point. The national average is that people move every seven years or less. Unless you are someone who is definitely, definitely, definitely going to stay somewhere forever, renting is a better “financial” decision than buying. It always has been, always will be.
While the mortgage may be flat, all of your other home ownership costs are going up. Taxes go up, insurance goes up, the cost of roof repairs go up, etc., etc., etc. That’s exactly the same reason rent goes up, the landlord’s mortgage is consistent (usually) as well but he has to raise the rent as his operating costs increase. Trust me, as a landlord with up to 25 properties at a time I know this painfully well.
If you can’t guarantee you’re never going to move then rent, save the difference between your rent and a mortgage and then buy a house free and clear when you decide to buy your “final” home (or at least one you’ll be in for 10yrs) and pay cash for it.
As for us, I’ve owned many houses for profit, homes for living and investment properties (condo’s, apartment complexes, etc.). We’ve done the analysis repeatedly and even in the strong RE market we experienced in the recently we lost money on each home (not investment props) in the long haul. If you truly track all your costs, your purchasing cost, your net interest costs (after tax benefit), your operating costs, your maintenance costs, your repair costs, your replacement costs, etc., etc., you’ll see every time that financially you lose.
I think the real issue is that renting has developed the societal stigma that is unjustified. As a result subconsciously people have an opposition to renting they cannot even articulate. It gets translated into verbiage like “security”, “my own place”, go ahead are reread some of the ownership posts above and you’ll consistently see these and other phrases that we’ve internalized and didn’t even realize.
I’ve come to learn (after many years) that I can make a beautiful home anywhere, regardless of whether I own it or not. It’s ALL about your attitude, not whether you own it or not. There are plenty of owners that can tell you nightmare’s of disastrous repairs that ruined them financially, horrific neighbors that they trapped next too, reversals in the neighborhood that dropped values, etc., etc.,and now economic disasters that led to owners being upside down on their mortgages!
While it is about what’s right for you maybe it would be good to very openly and honestly evaluate why you feel the way you do. Are you just tired of the throwing your money away comments, did your parents drill home ownership into you as a marker of success, etc.?? Take a step back and look at it with a very open mind, get an objective friend to help you question your premises for ownership.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
It looks like a lot of people still make a cardinal mistake when calculating renting vs. buying. It’s just not enough to compare your monthly mortgage payments to monthly rent payments. And also, “Viola! After xx years there will be no more payments because the home will be paid off!” That’s one of the realtor myths JD mentions in the article.
Your equity is tied up in the home, and as JD points out, stocks historically outperformed real estate by over 5% annually. Those opportunity costs need to be factored in.
And yes, buying a home is a leveraged investment, but I find it strange that in these days people still regard that as a good thing. I know it’s crazy, but it can go either way. Yes, houses can lose value, and yes, you might be forced to sell during a downturn, and then this leverage can bankrupt you.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Luke,
But there will still be property taxes, insurance, repairs and maintenance even after the house is paid off. At my current figures, home ownership will still cost me $9,020.00 per year. And all of those things are likely to increase as well.
January 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I was surprised to see that the financial disparity is not that great between renting and owning, however, there are too many other benefits to home ownership (non-financial) that I see.
Stability, as mentioned, privacy, and many other subjective issues
But a very informative post
January 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I rented in the past, and I am proud to say that I was the best renter who ever walked the earth because I paid early AND left the place BETTER than I found it. We never wore shoes in the house, and we treated it with love and respect.
(Help, now I am trying to increase my FICO score to at least 800. Here’s where I posted a screenshot of my current score IF you have any hints. Sorry, it’s unrelated to this post: http://solidpersonalfinance.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/my-fico-score/ )
January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
TeresaA,
In your scenario, you have a $225,000 house in 20 years that you paid $340,000 for…you “wasted” $115,000. In the same 20 years, you “wasted” $240,000 in rent.
That means that owning the home “saved” you $125,000.
Plus, after those 20 years, you own a $240,000 home without a mortgage. Your cost of housing would be reduced to taxes, homeowner’s insurance, and maintenance expenses.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Thank you so much for this post! I feel like I don’t really have a choice as I can’t afford a two bedroom apartment and don’t want to get stuck in a 1 bedroom and have to worry about outgrowing it. It’s nice to get some validation from someone I admire that I’m not a financial mess because I rent.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:07 am
TeresaA,
That $9000 or more a year for everything else will still be cheaper than whatever rent will be in 20 years because a landlord will definitely make sure to cover those costs.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
TeresaA, I’m with Crystal. Those costs go up for whoever owns the home. If you’re renting, it’ll just get passed on.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
There is something called a “lease” with apartment buildings. You can’t, literally, move any time you feel like it. Granted, it is easier to break a lease then sell or buy a house.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am
I was taught that you buy a house to have a place to live in when you retire…not as an investment.
I was taught that a 401K is for long term stable savings…not playing the stock market.
Over the last 10 years I’ve seen popular articles state that people have been relearning these two rules.
How did it come to that? Poor education? Greed? If they wanted to invest why not do it directly after they have saved up an amount of money to gamble with?
January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am
BeforeWisdom,
I noticed this too. I’m not sure where people are renting from that they can leave whenever they want.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Most apartment complexes allow you to break your lease by paying a month’s rent.
And buying a house to have a place to live in when you retire? That doesn’t make too much sense to me. Life circumstances tend to change. A five bedroom mansion makes sense if you have a family, but as a retired couple or even alone, that’s way too much house. My idea of retirement is having an RV and roaming the country, or hopping from country to country, staying half a year in each city until it gets boring, all paid for by an investment portfolio that pays regular dividends. I don’t know if that’s a sign of poor education?
January 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
#81 Charlie: Why? An 800 score won’t get you any better a deal on anything than the 785 you’re posting.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Crystal and Luke,
I still don’t see much of a “savings”, if any. And what if I were to save and invest the difference between the money I do pour into home ownership for the twenty years of the mortgage ($700.00 per month) if I rented instead? That would be a pretty tidy retirement fund, plus I could then buy a house for cash. How much do you have to save and invest per month for twenty years to be a millionaire?
I think we have been sold another “bill of goods” when it comes to home ownership.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am
This is the kind of article I should show to my sister, who feels she is losing out because she is not in a house. However she, and I myself know, than many of the benefits of home ownership are nontangible. I really liked the house I was renting, but I couldn’t paint the walls and didn’t want to buy window treatments for a rental, our garden would get mowed down by the maintenence people, and the neighbors would throw stuff in our yard because there was no fence between the two properties. Plus, my husband enjoys DIY projects but couldn’t do anything while we were renting. The rent to own ratio is not as important as a) knowing and fulfilling the reasons why you want to have a house, and b) whether you can afford it.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am
For the next 10 years, for most people renting will be the better financial decision than owning a house.
I have written extensively on this topic for years and it is sad that it took a financial meltdown for people to run the numbers and realize that you only make money owning a home as long as prices are rising. Those days are over.
donovan
spiritnewsdaily.com
January 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Formerly Very Happy Renter Getting Wealthier That Way, but buying a townhome this week.
Only two reasons:
1) The first-time home buyer’s tax credit I can grab for the extended $6,500 (owned a home for 5 of previous 8 years) will pay my closing costs $2,500 plus some.
2) The paltry 1.5% before taxes I’m getting on $50,000 nest egg that I’m plowing into home equity instead.
All the appliances are upgraded, and the townhouse is 1400 square feet.
The way I figured the advantages are fairly simple, –and geared for English majors afraid of math and money! You are welcome to view at
http://www.moneyinreallife.com/2010/01/how-to-decide-to-rent-home-or-buy-easy.html
January 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
@TeresaA (comment #91)
$125,000 over 20 years doesn’t sound like much savings to you? Sounds like a boatload to me.
Not to mention you then live rent-free for the rest of your life. If you’re 40 now and you pay your mortgage off in 20 years you’ll be 60. If you live to be 85 (and if we assume you rent for the same $1,000 a month) there’s another $300,000 saved. In all likelihood, rent will be significantly higher 40 years from now, so that figure is grossly understated.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I guess I would say if you don’t feel the itch to buy and are happy renting, then all means don’t let someone try to convince you to buy for financial reasons. But I think a lot of people are like me and are tired of living in someone else’s home. Yes, there are perks to this, but ultimately if you are picky at all about your household and like things a certain way, it can be difficult to rent. I can’t tell you how many bad sinks, faucets, wet basements, weedy front lawns, etc. I had to deal with over my many years of renting. The reality is that unless you rent in a new complex or pay more for an expensive rental, you are living with cheap fixtures and materials. This doesn’t even go into the issue of neighbors who share a wall with you. For us, it was worth the extra expense to buy our own home because it dramatically improved our quality of life and enjoyment of our surroundings on a daily basis. Isn’t that ultimately money worth spending?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
My P/R is 36.5! That’s $1200 rent and $525,000 equivalent purchase (is my math correct?) San Luis Obispo, along with the rest of the central coast of California, is completely insane.
We’d really like to own a house, for many reasons, but it’s just not going to happen unless the market fundamentally changes. It’s not worth burdening ourselves with crushing debt… sales are close to a standstill, so maybe I’m not the only one coming to the same conclusion?