Geographic Arbitrage: Save Money by Leaving The Country
Published on - February 25th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) This is a guest post from Gary Arndt, who has been traveling around the world non-stop since March 2007 and has visited over 80 countries. He blogs at Everything-Everywhere.com, which was named one of the 25 Best Blogs of 2010 by Time Magazine.
Let’s start with the obvious: Costs aren’t the same everywhere.
You may already be aware of this on some level, but until you’ve traveled extensively, it isn’t something you really understand. The cost of living in major cities can vary by as much as 500% or 1000%, depending on how you want to live. I’ve found that it’s almost impossible to reduce your living expenses as much as you can by living overseas.
Leaving the U.S. and choosing to live abroad (assuming you live in the right place) is the single biggest thing you can do to reduce the amount of money you spend. Period. Yes, it requires changes and sacrifices in other areas of your life, but if you’re looking for adventure and to radically cut your costs, nothing can beat living overseas.
The cost savings don’t just come from living in a cheap place, however; the very act of living abroad will bring changes to your lifestyle, which will produce additional savings.
Cost of Living
Every year, Mercer Resource Consulting issues a list of the most expensive places for American expatriates to live. What the list doesn’t capture is the magnitude in the difference in the cost of living between cities.
Take New York, for example. The smallest, dirtiest place you could find in Manhattan will probably cost you $1,500/month at the low end. This would be an unfurnished studio in one of the less trendy parts of town. This would, of course, probably be without an internet connection.
A nice, furnished, single-bedroom apartment in Bangkok can go for $400/month with internet included. I know people who rent less impressive apartments for $200/month. Bangkok is a vibrant city with all the stores you’d find in most major North American or European cities. The internet infrastructure is good, and there’s large community of expats and bloggers.
Food can easily be purchased from local street vendors for $1-2 per meal, so you’d never have to cook if you didn’t want to. Fresh fruits and vegetables can also be bought from street vendors at a much lower price than you’d find in a store.
While Southeast Asia is a popular destination for westerners, you can find places with lower living costs all over the world in cities like:
- Kuala Lumpur
- Istanbul
- Panama City
- Bogota
- Buenos Aires
- Cape Town
Even Eastern European cities can provide a lower cost of living than what you will find in the US or Western Europe.

Sometimes lower costs are tied to lower incomes, but that doesn’t mean geographic arbitrage is wrong. Your money still helps the local economy. [Photo by Joan Rhodes]
Renting and Subletting
If you do own or rent, one easy way to earn money while you’re overseas is to simply rent your place to someone else. Depending on where you live (and where you move), the income earned from renting could easily cover all or most the costs of living in a foreign country.
If you’re looking to start an online business, the freedom and capital provided by moving and renting might be enough to get you started.
Getting Rid of Your Stuff
Aside from the benefits to living in a city with a lower cost of living, the very act of moving overseas will save you money. You can’t move to the other side of the world as easily as you can move to the other side of the country. You’ll be forced to pare down your possessions to something you can easily transport.
Most people who move overseas take only a few suitcases full of possessions: clothing and small personal effects. Larger items, like furniture, have to be put in storage, given away, or sold.
While you certainly don’t have to leave the country to reduce the amount of Stuff you own, it does force you to deal with your possessions in a way that you otherwise wouldn’t have to.
Also, when your life is in a suitcase, you’ll pay much closer attention to what you buy because you incur the additional cost of having to carry it around.
Taxes
I’m not a tax professional, tax attorney, or accountant so please take what I say with a grain of salt and contact a professional before taking any action on your taxes.
If you’re living outside the United States, you’re not using many of the services that your taxes go towards. As such, there’s a significant tax benefit to living overseas.The first $80,000 on income for U.S. citizens isn’t taxed if you spend 300 consecutive days outside the country. For citizens of other countries, you usually don’t have to pay any income tax if you live outside of your country.
This alone may be enough to economically justify a move for many people, and might even make an otherwise unaffordable city (like London or Paris) affordable. For some, the reduced tax burden could increase their income from 30-50%, depending on where they live and what tax bracket they’re in.
Another strategy I’ve learned from American expats: Before you move overseas, change your residence to a state like Florida or Texas that has no income tax.
Cars
Last summer, I had to return to the U.S. because my father was in the hospital. I stayed at my parents’ house for several months, and I noticed I was spending more money in the United States than I was in Bangkok even though I didn’t have to pay for rent or food. This was almost entirely due to the cost of operating a car.
Gas, maintenance, parking, and insurance cost an enormous amount of money. If you move to a major city somewhere else, you can completely eliminate this expense by just taking public transportation. Even taxis in a city like Bangkok will cost no more than $2-5 for almost any trip you can take.
Conclusion
Probably 95% of the people reading this either have no desire to relocate to another country or conditions in their life simply don’t allow it. Mortgages, family, children and careers make this something that’s only an option for a small group of people. Leaving the country isn’t for everyone. I understand that.
Nonetheless, it’s something you should keep in the back of your mind. Even if it’s something you don’t find appealing at the moment, circumstances in your life could change in the future such that it might be possible and necessary to move. Many people I’ve met traveling have retired overseas and live a much higher standard of living than they otherwise would live at home on their pension.
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My wife and I have toyed with the idea of traveling overseas, and now that the U.S. economy is still a little rocky, we’ve been talking about it a little more.
I my business and my wife’s business takes off, I think it might be a great adventure for us!
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Great article. There can be compromises though, such as working for the U.S. Government abroad. Working for the Department of State can have many benefits. You’re still able to work in an American environment, but you have all of the advantages and adventures of living abroad. It’s also been a financial boon for me in many ways.
If you do move abroad please be sure to register with your local American Embassy! It’s important even when you are traveling for short periods, too. Travel.state.gov is an important website to use when either traveling or living abroad.
http://www.travel.state.gov/
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As an American expat currently living in the Middle East, and who travels extensively all over the planet, I find the cost savings of living outside the states to be somewhat exaggerated.
First of all, practically all manufactured goods are cheaper, often substantially, in the states than almost anywhere abroad. Everything from toothpaste to tablet computers to automobiles costs much more in most countries than in the states. The reason is simple: usually it is imported, and US has lowest import duties anywhere on the planet. US is where people from all over the planet come to shop cheap. Almost every country that I am aware charges 100% duty for an imported automobile, so a Hyundai will cost you like $40,000 almost anywhere else. Funny how you compare taking public transportation to owning a car. Because if you do own a car (and who doesn’t want to own a car?), US is the cheapest place on the planet to do it. I hear folks in the states worried about gas approaching $3.00 or $4.00 a gallon (I have no idea what it is now). I dream of $5.00 gas, I pay like $9.00 now. Yes, Bangkok has almost every store you can find in the states, but you forgot to mention for Apple, Gucci, Hermes, etc. you will be paying more and on top of that you have to pay VAT something you don’t have to pay in US.
Real estate is a bit of an enigma to me. US real estate is less expensive than Europe, Japan/Korea, or more affluent Middle East nations, but more expensive than Africa, South America, and Asia. Why is this? Part of it is supply/demand (US having far lower population density than the more expensive places). I think the biggest cost in real estate is labor but as far as I know it is pretty cheap labor (in US mainly migrant labor – approaching zero cost). Maybe you can get an apartment for $400 in Bangkok but it is not going to be located in the best area or a very nice place. I believe the reason real estate is perceived as cheaper abroad is simply because dwellings in third world countries are a lot smaller than in the states. It is just lifestyle inflation in the state, so when you live in the states you are paying for the extravagant lifestyle.
Labor is relatively expensive in US so anything which is labor intensive is going to be more expensive in US than a third world country. For example, a hair cut.
Medical treatment is probably the best example of something which is dramatically cheaper (and better) almost anywhere on the planet compared to the states. Living or traveling abroad, it is never ceases to shock me how dramatically better the medical system is anywhere on the planet compared to US. Probably the main reason I would never move to US is the horrible and expensive medical treatment which exists in that country. Better pray you never get sick if you’re in the states! US has worst and most ineffective medical system on the planet, and all Americans should hang their heads in shame at how atrocious it is!
Prices for things like energy & food are mainly due to local resources. If you live in an agriculture rich area, local crops will be cheap. Energy, same same. The rule applies always, domestic = cheap, imported = expensive.
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I’m sorry, but that last post is so misrepresentative of the facts. I worked in Saudi as well and virtually everything is cheaper except frivolous things more representative of an extravagent western lifestyle. This person must be living the high life. I have been in Saudi and South Korea and it was slightly cheaper if not greatly so. And as this site says, public trans eliminates the huge expense of a private automobile. And then there’s Thailand and Prague-MUCH CHEAPER. So don’t let this last post discourage you.
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@2, Moneymaker
Technically that’s not correct, the US has the BEST medical care of anyplace on the planet. It has the WORST access to it, unless you have money (and great insurance). (And it does tend to overuse intensive care, especially in areas like childbirth.) Conditional on having insurance, US health outcomes are top flight. On average, outcomes are not very good for the developed world, but that is mainly because we don’t insure everyone.
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I live in a clean, modern city in Asia, pop. about 1.5 million. My monthly income is around US$2,800. My basic monthly expenses, including rent, all utilities, insurance, and groceries, are around $800. That leaves me with $2,000 of play money every month! Fortunately I’m very frugal, and save most of that money. And even more fortunately, I am working in the kind of job (teaching English at the university level) that I can do for the rest of my life, because there is always going to be a demand for it in this land.
The downside? I’m really lonely and I miss my family, even with plenty of local friends and my own high-speed internet connection. But I’m not homesick. No way would I ever go back to that crazy keeping up with the Jones’ lifestyle.
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Hi Jasmine! Happy New Year to you.
I was reading your blog response and I find it interesting, as I am currently wrestling with the idea of relocating overseas, and I find it refreshing to learn of your experience living in Asia. May I ask you what made you decide to leave the states and move overseas. I want to teach in an academic setting, but have had no success in finding anything here in the states. Was it, if at all, difficult to find an opportunity in Asia?
LW
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As someone who spent three years living abroad, I’ll say that it really isn’t easy. Living abroad for just economic reasons can turn out to be a very expensive mistake is you can’t hack it. Culture shock can be a very stressful reality when you’ve settled in one place for an extended period of time. My suggestion would be to explore a country’s culture before deciding on going. Choosing a culture you’re at least partially comfortable with (not just familiar) can increase your chances of being able to stick it out for the long term. Finding a country with a good-sized ex-pat community is also a big plus. I lived in the country where my family left a century ago. I studied that country in college and visited once prior to my move. I studied the language since high school. I went with a built-in advantage into a place where there was a large, vibrant ex-pat community, and there were some really, really tough days and weeks in three years.
And while start up costs in another country can be cheaper, they are still start up costs. Sometimes they will have start-up costs that you may not know about before you go without research. For example, to rent an apartment, there maybe a form of “thank you” money or other extra deposit on top of your security deposit, etc..
Overall, I think living abroad is something every American should try at least once. It can be rewarding in a lot of ways, not just economically. But like any big decision, some real research and self-reflection can make it easier and more successful.
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@MoneyMaker’s comment shows that geographic arbitrage can be different to different people. When I think of traveling, I think of living simply and altering my choices to be more in tune with the people of the country I visit.
Someone who travels for business is probably taking their usual American habits with them and paying more for the privilege.
I hope that travel changes me so I can’t imagine wanting to buy a car, or anything with a Gucci or other designer label on it. Of course, I don’t buy that stuff at home, either.
As Gary said, “… the very act of living abroad will bring changes to your lifestyle, which will produce additional savings.”
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@LifeAndMyFinances:
You’re doing it again. STOP IT.
Nobody likes a comment-whore.
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@Money Maker
Your observations largely match my own after having lived 3 years in Costa Rica. How about spending $70 for a larger plastic ice chest that would cost a fraction of that here. Anything imported is much more expensive.
Also, you must be very aware of the two-tiered pricing structure for most local services (taxi, farmer’s market,etc.). The local, native price vs. the gringo price. If you don’t speak the language, many will take advantage of the ignorance.
Rent, phone, water, electricity etc were all cheaper.
Medical costs are often 1/5 to 1/2 the costs of the U.S. This savings greatly depends on which hospital and region of the country you choose. I have seen people treated for gall stones spending all day in an emergency environment and spend $70.00. In Bolivia as hernia operation was $200.00, etc. However, if you are treated outside the largest cities, skilled treatment is a crapshoot and some don’t get back home.
If you decide to die in a country like Costa Rica, you will be buried within 48 hours. They don’t embalm and they don’t wait a week for your relatives to arrive for a funeral unless you’ve made extensive pre-arrangements and died in a convenient location.
You must also factor in air travel for visits home (if you’re inclined). That adds up very fast and reduces the Net value of your expat savings.
Many expats will still spend as much in a foreign country as at home just because you can. You must live frugally or at least have the mindset to actually save money living abroad.
Petty crime was rampant. We lived in a nicer area of the country and had our car broken into twice and our house 7 times. My friends often lost purses, cell phones, ipods, cameras, etc while taking a bus, or visiting a fair or just doing anything where there was a crowd. If you look american you are automatically rich and ripe for the taking.
I could go on. But suffice to say but reading articles about the glamours of living abroad is like reading a tourist brochure. It’s all good. Yep, it’s all good if you don’t leave the artificial tourist environment. It’s all good until you get there and are faced with the realities of actually living there. The real [insert name of any country].
I don’t mean to seem negative. I thoroughly enjoyed my experiences in Costa Rica. But it wasn’t what most imagine. Do it, by all means, but go in with both eyes open. We lived among the locals, spoke the language, drove an older, modest car that was about middle of the road. We didn’t live in an exclusive gated community (couldn’t afford that anyway). We blended in about as much as any foreigner could without Michael Jackson-like plastic surgery. But it didn’t totally protect us from those who preyed on foreign money. On the other hand…we met some outstandingly generous and interesting local people who are still close our very close friends. I wouldn’t trade that in for anything!
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Well, I’ve been beaten to it. I was going to try to submit an article to grs along similar lines. I have just moved to India (only for a year) I have a bigger apartment than in the UK yet am able to save a lot and still pay off the last of my debts due to limited housing / transport / food costs.
My partner was very supportive of this move – giving up her job and moving, this now means she is a lady of leisure. This also means I support her (until we return to the UK). She now has chance to do lots of things she’s been putting off – teacher training, getting fit and soon she’ll volunteer in the local community. I’m not sure whether it’s allowed but it’s in context so here is her blog with some insight into such a big move – http://rayinpune.blogspot.com/
I did not come to save money, I came for the adventure. The increased standard of living along with lower prices is just a happy side effect.
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@ Nicole: Those are some really broad generalizations. It depends on how you define “outcomes” and which medical condition you’re looking at (among many other things).
For example, it has been recognized for some time that the US lags in infant mortality rate and life expectancy when compared to other industrialized countries, despite leading (by a huge margin) when it comes to spending. Of course, high per capita spending might be indicative of the huge inequalities that you pointed out, so you really have to look at the outcomes for people who are receiving medical care.
When you do this, you see that the outcomes are variable. The US leads in some categories (e.g., breast and cervical cancer 5-year survival rates) but lags in others (e.g., colorectal cancer and childhood leukemia 5-year survival rates). This discrepancy is not unexpected, or even necessarily bad, but reflects (I think, to some degree) cultural values, scientific tractability, and even political lobbying efforts.
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I’ve lived in the US, Canada, France, South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Senegal, Israel, and Afghanistan. I find this article to be something of a surprise, because I think of everything in the USA, with the notable exception of health care, to be exceptionally expensive. It’s where we go to stock up on cheap stuff! Cheap clothes with a huge variety. Cheap gas and cars. Way cheaper food.
I think that the main reason people see living overseas as cheaper is because so many of your build-in costs appear to out the window, especially if you’re travelling through for a few days or weeks. Things like commuter tolls, internet service, PMI, etc. You’ll still pay them (and usually at much more expensive rates- high-speed internet for 150 USD a month, for example) if you stick around, but they aren’t immediately obvious.
Expensive habits can also fall by the wayside. It’s tough to blow your money stopping by the bookstore on the way home from work every day (Trent from TSD’s favourite example) when there just aren’t that many English-language bookstores, let alone remotely affordable ones [have you looked into overseas publishing fees lately? Ouch!] Social expectations can be different too- tougher to prioritize keeping up with the Joneses when you’re the richest person on the block (this only works in some of the above countries, obviously)!
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@Nicole:
“The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds.”
“Using five performance indicators to measure health systems in 191 member states, it finds that France provides the best overall health care followed among major countries by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan.”
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/
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@5 Kevin… who made you the comment police? I personally don’t like reading negative comments like yours first thing in the morning. It’s very jarring. And then it forces me to make a negative comment myself (like this one) which makes me feel dirty. The bad kind of dirty.
@1 Life and my finances… Keep sharing your personal experiences!
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For me, the issue is not how to live abroad (piece of cake, I came from “abroad”), but how to earn in dollars while living abroad. Anybody got tips?
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I lived comfortably on a $6000 annual salary in 2003 in a small country in SE Asia. I rented a 2-bedroom house for $190/month. The food was ridiculously cheap and healthy, but I made a point of de-worming every few months and took doxycycline daily as an antimalarial prophylaxis. Internet ranged from $20-100/month. My work fortunately included medical insurance, including the option of evacuation flights (e.g., in case I was bitten by a potentially rabid dog and had to get rabies shots, which the local hospital did not keep on hand). It made me very conscious of the lousy options available to the millions of people who lived in the country… and wonder why I should be “worth” so much more.
I’m a big fan of living abroad, but there are obviously steep tradeoffs. My internet usage was monitored by the government. Price tiering (charging one price for locals and another for foreigners) varies enormously by country; it was terrible when I lived in Russia but not in SE Asia once I learned the language. Some cultures are much more welcoming than others. People from home will have an easier time visiting you in some places than others.
The major caution I have is to consider seriously your impact (personally and through your spending) on the country. I’m going to stereotype here, but when I travelled, I saw a lot of older white male expats in Thailand (especially rural) who were spending money but with an arguably negative impact on the culture. It’s possible to consume much more in developing countries when things are cheap, but the consumption can come at a much larger social/environmental cost than we’re used to: Many of these countries don’t have basic laws in place to prohibit dumping, protect their workers, etc., etc. By consuming uncritically with the mindsets from back home, we can unwittingly encourage some awful messes.
People who recoil at the thought of poorer medical care abroad, more pollution, bad legal protection, etc. but who don’t donate generously and consistently to international charities should think seriously about why they “get” to maintain higher standards for themselves.
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While the cost of living is certainly lower in some countries, I think in a lot of these examples you’re just tricking yourself into living differently by living somewhere that you aren’t tempted to spend.
For example, you can live in the US without a car. True you have to choose where you live, but the same is true in Thailand or elsewhere. And I doubt your $400 Bangkok apartment is in the trendiest area of the city, whereas you specify “Manhattan” (where you can certainly find a dank studio for far less than $1500, even in the east village or lower east side, which is quite trendy). Overseas you can trick yourself into living somewhere less trendy because you don’t know it as well. After my first apartment in Manhattan, I got smart and moved to Brooklyn for half the price.
You say, “Leaving the U.S. and choosing to live abroad (assuming you live in the right place) is the single biggest thing you can do to reduce the amount of money you spend. Period.” I have to disagree. There are plenty of places in the US that are dirt cheap, you just don’t want to live there (a friend of mine pays $190 a month for an apartment in Utah) – it’s just more exciting to live abroad.
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My husband and I thought about the lower costs of living elsewhere, but we decided we were in that 95% of the population that just couldn’t ever bring themselves to leave the place that we are happy in right now. Moving to a cheaper country is a nice backup plan for us though in case our early retirement dreams are just not possible here in 25 years.
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@Nicole:
LifeAndMyFinances has been reprimanded for this before. He doesn’t even read the article, he just waits for a new one to be posted, then immediately jumps in with a brief, fluffy comment that doesn’t actually add any substance, just so he can pimp a link back to his own “me-too” finance blog.
As I said, he’s been reprimanded for it before. If he were actually adding anything to the conversation, nobody would mind. But his entire purpose for posting is to get a comment as close to the top as possible, for maximum exposure.
It’s disingenuous self-promotion, and it’s extremely aggravating to those of us who use these comment sections for actual, meaningful discourse.
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My parents moved to Thailand 10 years ago and their cost of living is very low compare to living here in the US. You can get a nice condo in Chiangmai for $50k. What can you get for 50k here in the US? Food is cheap, Health care is public, what more do you need?
Well, they are from Thailand so they enjoy it too.
It could be expensive it you want to eat like you eat in the US (steak, pasta, etc.) , but if you eat local food and live like local people, it’s cheap.
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I would love to take off and live overseas for a year or two.I would get to eat good food that is not only cheap,but I wouldn’t have to cook.
Also staying in a furnished apartment for a month and pay less than $500 my bags are packed, and I’m ready to go!
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Thanks Curtis for your more realistic perspective. I had a friend who lived in South America for work. I wish I could have visited. But I didn’t envy him because he wasn’t bent on convincing everyone that his life was super awesome (for the purposes of selling said lifestyle online to willing dupes like some bizarre lifestyle pyramid scheme). There were good things and bad things.
I’m sick of reading about the cyber-hobo lifestyle. Locals don’t think Bankok is exotic or cheap. The most interesting thing I learned when I lived overseas is how beautiful North America is and how lucky I am to have been born here. I really do love where I live.
I feel this blog is becoming a place where I’m encouraged to think my life is subpar. If I wanted that I’d be reading fashion and decor magazines. And I KNOW travel isn’t my priority and I certainly don’t want to be nomadic. (Everything is nice if you can afford it.) I also know I don’t want more clothes or new furniture or any of the other junk I’m told would make me more interesting, happier and overall a better person. But it’s easy to want everything when it’s being sold to you. That’s what these cyber hobos are doing. Marketing their lifestyle the way vogue sells the idea high fashion to average women.
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I did this when I was 25. I dropped my job at Deloitte & Touche as a tax senior and moved to sunny Bermuda for 2 years. Tax free pay check, my spacious studio was $1100 a month furnished, across the street from the beach, and I learned the insurance accounting industry enough to start a new job outside of public accounting while there.
Best of all, I sent money home every month and in the 2 years saved about 5 times as much as I was saving living in cold/snowy Toronto!
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@13 Kevin
I’m afraid that I find your explanation even more obnoxious. His comment fits in, is perfectly fine, and yours is mean, picky, distracting, and annoying. If you don’t like his posts, then just read don’t read them. Seriously. And I don’t care if you have reprimanded him before. (And if you’re talking about what I’m thinking about, JD gently suggested that folks not put their bloglink in each post proper, unless they had a post that directly added to the discussion. Which, Lifeandmyfinances did not do.) Stop trying to silence people.
Dang it, now I feel like I’m a troll since this discussion is adding far less to the discussion than Lifeandmyfinances did. I blame you, Kevin. Knock it off. My only hope is that other people do not take up the cry against you, no matter how deserved, because that is just feeding the troll.
Um, on topic… I also like living in the United States… I spent a summer in Spain and was incredibly homesick for the states. I think I would be fine living in Canada, but don’t really have much desire to leave North America.
@retireby40… you can get a condo for 50K in the town I live too.
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@retirebyforty:
You can also get a condo in the US for less than $50k, you just have to live in specific areas of the country. Just one example: http://search.har.com/engine/dispSearch.cfm?mlnum=90685719&portalid=ZL
In regards to reducing your US income tax, wouldn’t you have to pay income tax in the country you move to if you’re working there? I would assume working in Paris would come with a pretty high tax rate.
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Great article! I’ve been living abroad (Mexico) for almost 6 years now.
Things that are more expensive in Mexico: electronics, furniture, imported items at the grocery store
Things that cost the same in Mexico: clothes, cars, most foods, phone bills, restaurants
Things that are cheaper in Mexico: housing (by A LOT, although interest rates are ridiculous), transportation (taxis cost $1 – $3 anywhere in the city I want to go, and there are tons of taxis available), cable, internet, electric, water, fun activities, health care
I earn a Mexican salary, so my lifestyle is probably similar to people my age in the US (maybe a little more fun haha, and with no debt). However, I know many expats who earn American and Canadian salaries from here, and they have incredible lifestyles and homes.
Even though I’m not “living large” here, I’m still able to go on small adventures every weekend, go to the beach regularly and hang out with friends several times a week while staying within my budget. This month we’ve started saving for the first time (thanks in no small part to GRS), and once my husband starts working soon, we’ll be saving about 50% of our combined salary. I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but people living in Mexico (expats and locals) seem to be much happier than our American counterparts. I don’t know if it’s the laid-back culture, the sunshine, or the incredible scenery, but I don’t think I could ever go back to the US after experiencing life here… even though my salary here is near the US poverty level hahaha
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You can do almost as cheaply in a rural or small US city. But this article makes some good points. At least they aren’t recommending that Americans go live in some impoverished 3rd world nation where electricity isn’t common and malaria runs rampant.
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Good article. For me this is not possible right now. I don’t have the type of job that I could do from elsewhere, but if I wanted to take a year off and freelance I would consider something like this.
I’m wondering what type of visa you would need to live in some of these places.
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This article reminds me of the old joke..
A: I know a way you can lose 20 pounds in a hurry?
B: How?
C: Chop off your head.
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I like it here in California. I have job opportunities at the biggest names in my industry and my kids will be able to know their grandparents.
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I’d say this is a better option for retirement. Not many people make enough money off of their blogs or work for a company that lets them work from home and doesnt care where home is.
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I’ve been in Canada and away from home for about 9 years. Last month I finally went back home to Indonesia for my brother’s wedding and I couldn’t believe what I’ve been missing out!
Everything was so cheap – from food, clothes, even electronics. For most items you can haggle the price, but this works best with locally made goods rather than imported stuff (Gucci and the like) – those probably cost the same wherever you go.
It’s true that maybe the prices are only cheap because I’m earning money in dollars and spending in the local currency. So that is the key
Earn money in dollars, spend in local currency.
As with the two tier pricing structure – yes that does exist in some places. But then it exists everywhere – I went to university in Canada and paid exorbitant international student tuition. I heard that some universities in the US even have different rates for local and out of state students. So how is that different from having to pay a bit more for whatever in another country? If anything that’s an incentive to learn the language, appear like a local and so on.
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I agree with @El Nerdo; how the heck are you earning money while living abroad? Are you working in the local office of a US company? Not everyone can earn the big bucks through their blog or have several years worth of living expenses saved up.
My boyfriend, who is from Cape Town, has said that yes, some stuff is cheaper there, not all is, like books and other imported items, but everything seems really expensive to locals because no one makes that much money. His standard of living is much better in the states than it was in Cape Town or the US simply because he is paid more than twice as much here as he was when he worked abroad.
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*Or the UK, not the US. They pay shit in London for the same work he does here.
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@ Anne- I don’t think that this blog (or this post) is meant to make one feel that one’s lifestyle is sub-par. I think that it is refreshing to read about different takes on frugality. To learn about all of the options available. Of course, not all options will be suitable for everyone. What is your story? How did you attain a frugal lifestyle? I’m serious! Maybe you could do a guest post.
I’m young (25) and I’m trying to learn how to be a financially responsible and practical person. I’m very interested in living-abroad for a year at some point. I think It would help me gain a new perspective on things…even if it doesn’t save me money : )
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I agree with others that it’s possible to live very cheaply in the United States, but I don’t think that is a valid criticism of this article.
This article isn’t really saying the “only” way to live cheaply is to move out of the U.S. The definitive language of the second paragraph isn’t supported by the rest of the article. What *is* supported is that if you have a degree of personal and financial mobility, living abroad is a valid option and shouldn’t be dismissed out of fear.
Also … cheap living in the U.S. is all about supply and demand. Cheap places are cheap because nobody wants to live there. Too isolated, too remote, weather too bad, services too bad, crime too bad … whatever the conditions may be, there are many reasons why you can get an acre for a few thousand in an uninhabited area, while an acre in West Los Angeles costs about a million dollars; or a house in Detroit for $50K while a comparable house in San Francisco is $1.5 million.
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Sure, you can save a lot of money moving to Bangkok.
You could also save a lot of money moving to Detroit.
The reason Americans aren’t doing either is that it’s hard for us to find jobs in Bangkok or Detroit.
Remember, for every American that wants to move to Thailand, there are a thousand Thais that want to move to America.
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I think Anne has a point in that these “lifestyle gurus” (i.e. Timothy Ferris et. al.) do make a business of promoting their own lifestyle as desirable and that’s where their money comes from. They manufacture desire like so many other businesses out there.
I do think however that taking that business promotion as somehow reflecting poorly on yourself is more of an internal issue that the person has to deal with. I can watch commercials and read magazines and go to the mall and I do not feel threatened in the least– actually I think looking at all that crap is very funny, like watching a National Geographic documentary about consumerist monkeys. “Ha ha, look at that fool drinking soda!” or “Yeah, I’d die tomorrow if I don’t get an iPhone, pfffftttt”. We are not helpless victims of media– we can learn to read it critically, and if we know what we *really* want, we don’t have to have our desires “manufactured” for us.
So, no, other people’s lives are not a putdown on yours, but yes, let’s read between the lines & realize that this is just another business. This post/article’s author clearly makes money off his traveling blog. Good for him, but what does that have to do with me and isn’t there a glut in that job market already?
As I said before, this article discusses only 1/2 of geographic arbitrage, the other half (actually more than half) is how to run a successful business that lets you earn in dollars and spend in rupees. If this was so easily done, we could stop illegal immigration today by showing desperate border-crossing workers how to make a bundle from home.
Timothy Ferris attempted to present a business model to allow for his global wanderings, but his lackadaisical “for hour workweek” starts easy but ends up requiring that you appear in Oprah– good luck with that (well now that show is cancelled as far as I understand) and that you build some kind of cult around yourself while engineering million-dollar deals. That takes more than for hours a week. Still, the book has a lot of good ideas which may or may not be useful to some.
Now, about going to live in countries with malaria, and how the US is better etc: any country in the world is awesome provided you have money. Where I come from, even lower middle-class families have a maid. The upper middle classes have two or three maids, a cook, chauffeurs… The rich– forget about it. Yes, if you have money in a third world country you can live a very pampered life.
And yes, health care is better in other countries because, besides being more accessible, it is more of a calling than a business, and when you visit a doctor you will spend a good amount of time discussing your symptoms, pinpointing possible causes, and having a nice talk about what you can do. Here, even with good insurance the doctor talks to you for 60 seconds and dispatches you with a kilo of prescriptions that will short-circuit your body chemistry– they must go through a ton of patients every day to pay off their student loans, malpractice insurance, and bloated billing staff. Sure, you can get a better heart transplant and critical care here, but if you don’t get to that point of physical dilapidation you’ll get better prevention there.
Now, about the best places to live– the experts differ, but no U.S. city has made it to the top 10 in any list I’ve seen.
World’s most livable cities
Honolulu gets close, but no cigar.
I’d kill to live in Paris, though Vancouver is within closer reach, but you can’t “arbitrage” your way to either place. In the U.S., I’ll settle for New York (some day, some day!)
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I’m sure this is good for people who are adventurous and enjoy the experience of living in a different culture. Clearly there is a huge drawback in leaving friends and family (for those who like their friends and family) but I think especially for very young people it could be an interesting idea.
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@retireatforty
Just for the record, health care in Thailand is not “public”, if by that you mean paid for by the government. That being said, health care is very inexpensive in Thailand compared with the U.S. For a consultation with a doctor and a prescription in a Bangkok hospital I was charged about $15. My Thai friend just had major surgery and a hospital stay and the bill totaled only $4,000 (although since she has private insurance, she paid only a $10 copay.) This is far lower than what the U.S. cost would be. In fact, I think it’s safe to say that health care in Thailand is cheaper than veterinary care in the U.S.
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Recently, I’ve heard more and more Americans talking about leaving and for good reasons too- political disagreements, healthcare, poor education etc.
It makes me laugh though, because I’m trying to get in! The USA to me seems very cheap. I am from the South of England and everything here is much more expensive and you get much less for your cash in many areas (the one that springs to mind is housing, we all live in shoeboxes for twice the price of the US). My last boyfriend was from Seattle, and quite often I’d check out property prices online. Did you know you can get a 70s house in King County for under $30k? That’s unfathomable to me.
I also think it’s easier to save and set up a business in the USA. As long as you don’t get sucked into keeping up with the Joneses that is…
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Excellent article! As someone who was born and brought up in India, I have definitely considered retiring in India. But here is the shocker – I can’t afford it anymore. The cost of living has sky rocketed. I left ~10 years ago and India has changed beyond dreams. A lot for better and some for worse. There are malls everywhere, there are BMW show rooms, everyone has a car and the real estate is no longer affordable for anyone other than software engineers. In these last 10 years, I visited India thrice. The first time in 2004, when I came back I brought a lot of stuff I regularly use here because it is cheaper over there and I stocked up. The second time I went for “my” wedding, so didn’t have time to shop. Third time, last December I tried to stock up, I ended up converting everything to dollars and rejecting a lot of stuff because it is cheaper over here!
Medical facilities are much more accessible there than here though. I give that to the mainly sue-free society and the not-controlled-by-insurance environment. If you have the money you can take an MRI scan just because you felt like taking one.
So there are pros and cons to moving to a different country. And may be the experience/cost of living for other Asian countries are different than India. But please spend 6 months – 1 year as a tourist before retiring and make sure, make really sure you can afford all your plans.
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Definitely a give and take. I recently read an article about how many American retirees are moving to Costa Rica, Panama and other Central American nations, which are currently stable economically and have a much lower cost of living and in many cases, excellent medical care at much lower costs. I don’t know if I could do it, but it’s certainly an option.
Pat
http://compoundingreturns.blogspot.com
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One more comment on this article. Here’s a picture I took in India:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5254/5476573017_3aa2513a06.jpg
It’s a cow, sleeping in a giant pile of trash left in the street in the middle of a major city. Sure, you may live in the fancy apartments in the neighborhood where all the foreign expats stay, but when you venture out, you’re going to notice where you are, and you’re eventually going to realize why the cost of living is so much lower there.
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@ Julie
Hmmm.. My parents are Thai citizen so they can go see doctors for about $1 per visit. If they need serious medical attention like surgery, then I’m sure it’s more expensive and we probably go with private hospital at that point. But for general health care like keeping down my dad’s blood pressure and eye check up, public doctors are good for that.
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I practiced geo-arbitrage by moving from Canada to the US to work for a couple of years a number of years ago. We had “loads of adventures and radically cut our costs…”
This advice:
“For citizens of other countries, you usually don’t have to pay any income tax if you live outside of your country” – is not correct – for Canadians anyway. Even though I changed residency while I was gone, I still got dinged when I moved home.
I’d love to go live for a 6 month stretch or two in a couple of different foreign countries (and NYC!) down the road. Sadly, they aren’t the places with the lowest cost of living but some of the highest. It seems that living somewhere for 6 months at a time won’t cost much more than a one month trip with a tour company.
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I just returned to the US after 4 years in the UK. I realize that this article is mostly referring to living in third world countries, but the reference to potential tax savings in London or Paris really threw me for a loop.
#19 is right – you may not be paying US taxes on your first $80k of income, but you will most likely be paying foreign taxes on it. The income tax rates in the UK are 20% and 40%… once you earn over about $55k you are in the 40% tax bracket. Ouch. Also, once you earn over $80k you are taxed TWICE – by the UK and the US.
Not to mention the 17.5% VAT which is added to every purchase except staples like milk – and the $9/gal gas. The train, which I took every day to work, cost $200/mon for a less than 30 min trip. If I had travelled into London (40 min) it would have cost almost $600/mon.
In addition, #25 is right on the money when she noted that the pay is way less (for professional services, at least) in many other countries. My husband and I have now moved to low-cost Colorado where we have each received a 45% pay increase, we have reduced our expenses by over 30% and we can buy a house that is twice as big for about 70% of the cost as in England.
I loved living overseas… sometimes. And there are real benefits which are not financial. But to gain financial benefits, in my opinion, you either have to move to a third world country or be sponsored by a huge American corporation that pays you a per diem and takes care of your tax obligations.
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I actually wrote an article last year about how you could live in the U.S. as cheaply as abroad. Not many of the comments agreed with me though. From my living in Central America I’d say other than the cost of health care you can live just as cheap in the U.S.
Here is the article if anyone wants to read it.
Retire in the U.S. as Cheaply as Abroad.
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Ru – I’m not sure where you’re looking, but it’s definitely not accurate! I live in the Seattle area and work in real estate, and I can promise you there is literally no house in King County for $30k. You could buy a house in Washington State for $30k, but it would be in the sticks (nowhere near King County) where job opportunities are limited to non-existent.
Maybe you mean 30 in pounds, but even then any opportunity you see at that price point in King County is going to be either on the extreme outskirts (and not the outskirts of Seattle, the outskirts of the county) or in need of leveling. There are many real estate sites that track foreclosures, however, and post the debt on the property as the “for sale” price. Perhaps this is what is confusing you. If someone has a loan of $200k and a loan of $50k on a property, and the $50k loan is going through foreclosure, it could appear on sites like Trulia that the house is for sale for $50k when that isn’t the case.
The Seattle area is one of the most expensive places for real estate in the US, and that impacts less desirable parts of King County as well. You can’t even get a 1 bedroom condo in King County for less than $30k. The median price of a single family home in King County is $356,000 and that’s the lowest it’s been in 6 years. I WISH you were right, tho!
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Saying to live “overseas” is quite a general statement, its obviously different from place to place.
Obvious choices are like Southeast Asia, but most cities in SEA don’t have as good public transport as european/western metropolis.
You may think you don’t need a car in Kuala Lumpur, but when it rains and monsoons and its 95 degrees outside with 80% humidity, come back and tell me you don’t need a car.
One thing I think is worth mentioning is the price of alcohol/beer in KL. Be prepared to change your lifestyle.
I believe drinking is really cheaper in the US than a lot of other places in the world. Malaysia specifically imposes higher tax on alcohol.
If cost of living means literally cost of basic life requirements in order to *live*, then yeah, its cheaper in cities mentioned above. You need shelter, food, basic clothes, communication and transport.
Lifestyle is expensive, cars, electronics, clothes like gap and forever21 have inflated prices like you would not believe, outside of US, entertainment like cinema, theater, movie concerts.
if you’re earning local currency, your quality of living may be about more/less/equal to what it is now. You can just as much move to a different city in the US to save money.
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