9 Methods for Mastering Your Money
Published on - January 5th, 2009 (Modified on - January 11th, 2013) (by J.D. Roth) 2008 was a miserable year for money. The stock market tumbled, unemployment soared, the housing market continued to crumble, and retirement savings shriveled away. Whew! Here’s hoping 2009 will be better!
But hope can only do so much. Hope cannot bring change. Action brings change.
If one of your goals for 2009 is to take control of your money (instead of letting it keep control of you), this crash course in financial basics can help guide the way. Here are nine simple but effective actions you can take to build a better financial future.
Method #1: Track every penny you spend
The authors of Your Money or Your Life admonish readers to “keep track of every cent that comes into or goes out of your life.”
[This is] the best way to become conscious of how money actually comes and goes in your life as opposed to how you think it comes and goes…This is the step that somehow makes the biggest impact.
It doesn’t matter how you track your spending — the most important thing is to do it.
- You can use a cash notebook.
- You can use an online tool like Wesabe, Mint, or Quicken Online.
- You can use a piece of software like Quicken or Microsoft Money.
Whichever method you choose, stick with it. Make it a habit. Don’t fudge the numbers. Record your transactions as soon as possible. Most of all, don’t judge yourself. Tracking your spending is an exercise in data collection; it’s not the appropriate time to change your habits.
Method #2: Develop a budget
After you’ve tracked your spending for a few weeks (or months), use the data you’ve collected to develop a budget. According to The Millionaire Next Door, budgeting is one thing that sets the wealthy apart from the rest of us — 55% of millionaires keep a budget.
Many people — myself included — fail to budget for a variety of reasons: it’s boring, we don’t think we need it, or we don’t know how. But this simple act can provide a roadmap for your money.
There are a variety of budgeting methods you can choose, from Andrew Tobias’ three-step budget to the 60% budget. My recent favorite (and a favorite of GRS readers) is Elizabeth Warren’s balanced money formula: 50% to Needs, 20% to Savings, and everything else to Wants. Simple but effective.
Crave more budgeting tips? Check out this article highlighting 13 tools for building a better budget. Hate the idea of budgeting? Consider the spending plan, a budgeting method for non-budgeters.
Method #3: Optimize your accounts
For eighteen years, I was an account holder at a large national bank. I paid an $8 “service charge” every month, as well as many other fees. I received terrible service and earned no interest. Over the last couple of years, I’ve finally begun to optimize my accounts. If you haven’t already done so, consider the following:
- Open an online high-yield savings account. Even in this era of low interest rates, it’s still possible to earn about 3% on your savings. Internet favorite ING Direct currently offers a 2.50% APY and FNBO Direct offers a 2.80% APY. These rates are about as low as they can go, and should increase in the months and years ahead. And if you don’t need as much liquidity with your investments, consider researching cd rates which may offer a higher interest rate.
- Choose a rewards checking account. Believe it or not, it’s possible to find checking accounts that pay interest. Online checking accounts generally pay between 1% and 3%, depending on your balance. But you can usually find an even better deal through your local bank or credit union. Check out this huge list of rewards checking accounts.
- Use a rewards credit card. If you have trouble with credit, it’s best to avoid plastic altogether. If you can use credit responsibly, be sure to choose a credit card that pays you and be prompt to check your free credit report. Avoid cards that carry an annual fee. Find a rewards program that matches your lifestyle. But don’t choose a card just because it offers a signup bonus or because it gives you a discount at your favorite store. Remember: your goal is to find a useful tool. Look for a long-term relationship you can live with.
It’s important to choose accounts and systems that work for you. I signed up for a rewards checking account at a local credit union, but the nearest branch is fifteen minutes out of my way. I never use it. I had to compromise by opening on online checking account instead. I earn a lower rate, but it’s an account I’ll actually use.
Method #4: Start an emergency fund
For years I lived paycheck-to-paycheck. I spent everything I earned. This worked well until something went wrong. Suddenly I’d find myself without money to pay for a car repair, or facing an expensive doctor’s bill. I financed emergencies with credit cards. I finally paid off all of this debt at the end of 2007.
After you’ve optimized your accounts, make it a priority to save for emergencies. In The Total Money Makeover, Dave Ramsey explains why he believes an emergency fund should come before anything else:
Since I hate debt so much, people often ask why we don’t start with the debt. I used to do that when I first started teaching and counseling, but I discovered that people would stop their whole Total Money Makeover because of an emergency — they felt guilty that they had to stop debt-reducing to survive.
After you’ve saved $1000, then you can attack your debt. Open an online high-yield savings account and add $20 or $50 to your account ever time you get paid. Two years ago, I opened an account at ING Direct, where it’s simple to schedule automatic deposits.
See also: Learning to love the emergency fund.
Method #5: Get out of debt
Are you struggling under a heavy debt load from credit cards or student loans? Make it a priority to unload some of this this burden in 2009. At the end of 2007, I said good-bye to 20 years of debt — it feels fantastic to have that weight off my shoulders.
If you have the mental discipline, you’ll save money by paying down your high-interest debt first. But if you’ve tried that method before and failed, consider using a debt snowball. Pay your debts starting with the smallest balance first. Here’s how:
- Order your debts from lowest balance to highest balance.
- Designate a certain amount of money to pay toward debts each month.
- Pay the minimum payment on all debts except the one with the lowest balance.
- Throw every other penny at the debt with the lowest balance.
- When that debt is gone, do not alter the monthly amount used to pay debts, but throw all you can at the debt with the next-lowest balance.
The debt snowball can give you awesome psychological payoffs, keeping you motivated to stay in the game. It’s not mathematically ideal, but it worked for me (and for many others besides). However you choose to get out of debt, stick with it. Don’t give up.
Method #6: Fund your retirement
The current economy gives a lot of people the jitters. But if history is any indication, now is a great time to be buying stocks for your retirement. Take advantage of any employer-matched opportunities, such as a 401(k). Also consider starting a Roth IRA.
If you’re young, you probably don’t think you need to start a retirement account. You’re wrong. No matter how old you are, now is the time to begin saving for retirement. The extraordinary power of compound interest favors the young — and in a big way! In The Automatic Millionaire, David Bach writes:
The single biggest investment mistake you can make [is] not using your [retirement] plan and not maxing it out.
After reading The Automatic Millionaire a couple years ago, I opened a Roth IRA at Sharebuilder. It was easier than opening a checking account. I managed to make the maximum contribution in 2006 and 2007. In 2008, I maxed out my 401(k).
Don’t understand retirement accounts? No problem. Last year I explained what a Roth IRA is and why you should care. For more ideas, check out Wesabe’s simple investing group.
Method #7: Automate your finances
For the past eighteen months, I’ve been moving toward a system of paperless personal finance. Along the way, I’m learning the value of automating routine transactions. When you make things automatic, you remove the human element, making it more difficult for you to mess things up.
The classic example is overdraft protection. By tying your checking account to your savings account, you have a safety net if you bounce a check. But there are other ways this can work for you. For example, I’ve set up automatic payments with the gas company, the cable company, and my auto insurance company. I also make automatic deposits to my online savings account.
One terrific advantage to automation: when pay your bills and do your saving and investing automatically, it’s easy to tell how much you have left over to spend at the end of each month!
Method #8: Earn extra money
You can meet a lot of your financial goals by reducing your spending and using the right tools. But nothing supercharges your progress like a boost in income. How can you earn extra money?
- Ask for a raise. Several readers have written to tell me how they’ve given themselves a raise through ambition and ingenuity. Here’s one example.
- Switch employers. Not every employer is able or willing to offer raises, even when they’re merited. If you’re in a position where a raise isn’t possible, consider finding a new employer.
- Take a second job. Many people find that the best way to get out of a financial hole is to temporarily take a second job. Nobody wants to work more than 40 hours per week, but sometimes that’s what is needed to get out of debt or to save for a house. Just remind yourself that you’re doing this for a short time.
- Use your hobbies. Yes, it’s possible to have money-making hobbies. You’re not going to get rich playing World of Warcraft, but many people use productive hobbies to earn a little extra income.
- Volunteer for medical research. Last summer, I earned $120 for a couple of hours spent participating in medical research. My colleague Donna Freedman has earned extra cash by giving blood and watching porn (though not at the same time).
- Sell things. When I decided to get out of debt, one of my first steps was to sell a bunch of the stuff I’d bought with that $35,000. I used eBay, Craigslist, garage sales, and the Amazon Marketplace to sell the things I no longer needed or wanted. The money I earned jump-started my debt reduction.
Another effective way to increase your income is to pursue entrepreneurship. While working to defeat my debt, I started a small computer consulting business. It didn’t generate a lot of income, but it did provide $2,000 a year that I wouldn’t have had otherwise!
Method #9: Educate yourself
Knowledge is power. Personal finance doesn’t have to be a mystery. Subscribe to this site. Read other personal finance blogs. I recommend:
- The Simple Dollar
- I Will Teach You to Be Rich
- The members of the Money Scribes network
- The members of the LifeRemix network
Visit your public library. Borrow money books and self-development manuals. Here are four of my favorites:
- If you’re in debt and can’t seem to find a way out: How to Get Out of Debt and Live Prosperously
- If you’d like to know more about investing: The Random Walk Guide to Investing
- If things are tight and you need to find creative ways to make ends meet: The Complete Tightwad Gazette
- If you want a motivational manual to prompt you to pursue your goals: The Magic of Thinking Big
You don’t have to agree with everything in a book to get something out of it. I read a lot of personal finance books — some are good, but many are not. Even the worst books usually have one or two things I can pull from them. Learn how to read a personal finance book so that you can pick and choose those pieces appropriate for your life.
Final thoughts
Taking control of your finances can be intimidating — there’s so much to do! — but it doesn’t have to be that way. One effective solution is to take a vacation day from work: designate one specific date as your personal “Money Day”. Use this day to finally set up Quicken on your computer, to open a retirement account, and to call around for a better deal on your insurance.
The good news is that you can get out of debt. You can save for retirement. If I can do it, so can you. Best wishes for a prosperous new year!

Note: This is a new version of an article I share every January. I update it annually, incorporating new tools and techniques. Photo credits: Checkbook register by Lemon Jenny, car accident by Incase Designs, gears by Ralph Bijker.
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Wow awesome tips!
#10. When you need to buy, buy frugal?
All of these tips are in one way or another helpful to anyone. Thanks for the megapost!
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Yea I think automation is key…
once things like saving and investing are on autopilot, its easier to get rich..
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Nice review!
Totally agree with Trevor that this could use Method #10 about mindful spending.
Happy New Year!
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Thanks for this post. I’m at the bottom of messy debt right now, slowly trudging my way out, and posts like this are encouraging and motivating. There’s a reason I subscribe to this blog
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Well I’m 6/10 for now.
I need to work on 1-3-4-5 for 2009! A lot of work!!
I guess 1-3-4 can be an good objective for 2009.
One question… Does my morgate count for a debt? I know is a debt but if an objective is to get debt free for 2009…humm… it’s going to be very difficult:) Except my house, I only have a car loan.
thanks
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I would put get out of debt on #3 and optimize towards the end. But very complete list.
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What is unusual is that i got a higher interest rate on a new checking account last week (3.45%) than on my eSavings account with HSBC (3.0%). There are a few thing I must do each month (Paperless Statement, 2 BillPays and 12 transactions on Debit Card).
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I just want to thank you for your helpful and simple ideas about money. I began reading your site this summer and this post seems to sum up everything you are about. Nice job and thanks again.
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That’s a fantastic post to start the New Year with, incredibly inspiring. I’m at the planning the budget stage, you just gave me a dose of rocket fuel! Thanks so much for a consistently great, sensible blog. More power to your elbow!
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I still refuse to automate finances. After a bad experience where my employer took back part of my bonus and I bounced an automated payment. Overdraft protection would be great, but I keep most of my cash with ING Direct.
If you have trouble making payments, perhaps automating is the best thing you can do. Great post JD.
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Just to clarify: Microsoft Money is no longer published in the “boxed” format but will continue to be developed and offered for sale online.
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Thanks, tosz. I’ve updated the text and added a link. I appreciate the clarification.
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JD–isn’t the gears an image you would only use when illustrating something that doesn’t work? Look a little closer:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/2588347668_a1006846fa_m.jpg
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I like the sequence you laid out. Budgeting is indeed the first (and also most boring and tedious) step to better finances.
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Nice post, but of course none of it applies to me since we’re a young couple who just lost half of our income when my husband got laid off…I’m feeling pretty despondent wondering how we are going to survive let alone pay off debt! And the funny thing is that we were following your advice- we had just saved up a bit more than $1000 and were preparing to tackle our debt once and for all when the layoff hit. And we’re looking at 4 months of being able to pay our bills and then a big black hole. Of course the hope is that my husband will get a job, but in this economy…
Sorry, I’m just frustrated- it’s been one setback after another for us, going on for almost two years now. It’s all well and good to resolve to tackle your debts, but when life won’t give you a break (or worse, gives you a break for just enough time that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and then the tunnel collapses in on you) and you can barely pay the bills, what do you do when crisis mode becomes the new normal?
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The advice that I agree with the most here is that you should educate yourself. Constant research and education will enable you to make better decisions that will benefit you long term. 2008 was my best year in terms of personal finance, it was also the first year I started reading books/blogs on the subject. I learned interesting ways on how I can better manage my money and effective methods for earning more money. The fudamentals of personal finance are pretty simple, it’s the unique tips and personal stories that make it fun.
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JD – from your own link MS Money is still being published – just not in retail form.
I personally prefer it to everything else out there though sites like Mint are catching up.
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Good tips. The only thing that I disagree with is your first sentence. The metrics that you list – the stock market return, the state of the housing market, and the unemployment rate are all things outside of my control. If one followed all of the advice that you list in the rest of the post, wouldn’t it have been a great year for their money?
After all which is the more significant accomplishment – paying off a big chunk of your mortgage or having the value of your house rise? Contributing the amount that you need to to your retirment plan and losing money or seeing a small contribution go way up in value?
Any year that I am in control of my finances and making smart choices about my money is a good money year for me.
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What a great post! My wife and I are following many of these principles and are in the process of fixing our financial mess. Keep up the great work. This post was so helpful!
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Annie #14:
I disagree that none of the post applies to you because your husband lost his job. That is all the more reason to pay heed to this post.
An event like that makes it crucial to do things like budget and optimize your accounts, and look at ways to increase your income. All those are addressed in the post.
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I can honestly say that over the course of the last year, I’ve done (and continue to do, with varying levels of success) each of the nine methods you’ve listed in this post!
After finally paying off my credit card debt at the end of 2008, I’m now looking forward to starting on the $56,000 in student loan debt I carry—although that will need to wait until I’m out of school. Meanwhile, I’m practicing frugal habits (and learning new ones along the way) and trying to reduce my spending even more so my savings will grow.
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JD – maybe just a Freudian slip but the link to The Random Walk Guide to Investing takes you to The 4 Pillars of Investing. Either way, they are both on my need to read list.
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An essential mantra not just for 2009, but for life. Great lists for people to follow!
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Love this post. I plan on receiving an iPhone very shortly and I know there is a budget app that tracks all of your expenses. I know I’ll always have it on me too! Can’t wait.
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You can use Mint.com on the iPhone, too. It’s one of the apps. I have been using mint and am very pleased with it. Very easy to use.
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Please don’t forget the best emergency fund available – sick time and vacation time. I worked at a job for 18 yrs where we could save and rollover sick and vacation time. I always made sure that I had at least six months saved on the books for an emergency. Other employees would use every day that they earned. Fourteen months ago, I became physically disabled due to pain. I had enough time saved to pay me for 8 months. I ran out of time 3 months ago and am now using my cash emergency fund. I’m have been referred to a third doctor who is very aggressive and has been able to eliminate my pain down to two different causes, one curable and the other chronic. I will either be cured and able to return to work in 3-6 months or I will have the medical documentation to apply for permanent disability. Remember unused sick and vacation time is money in the bank with benefits – health insurance.
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Fantastic post! There are a few things that I need to work on here such as determining whether now is the right time to open a Roth IRA or to get a rewards credit card. Very informative!
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Nice compilation of great ways to get a handle of your money. This will be very important as this recession moves along.
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Lesley i wish i could do that at my job.. but we’re forced to use up our vacation time every year
good idea though if you have that option
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There are a lot of great online budgeting tools that people can use. Setting out a plan and being structure is key like you have addressed. It’s all about the planning involved.
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Tip #9 Educate Yourself! All of them are good, but #9 jumps out for me. Too many of the clients I see really don’t know what they are doing with their finances. They don’t know how to get out of debt or how to find extra money each month.
With that said another option for #9 is to speak with a financial professional. We can learn a lot from books and blogs but some people don’t understand how they can transalte that into reality, which is what I attempt to do on a daily basis for my clients.
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you need to have 12 months of emergency fund simply because the standard 6 months advice no longer apply.
in this recession(depresion), you can easily be unemployed for a whole year or longer.
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This article starts with an ambiguous premise:
“If one of your goals for 2009 is to take control of your money (instead of letting it keep control of you)…”
What does this mean? What are signs that would indicate that my money is controlling me, or vice versa? What is the implication of being controlled by my money? If my money isn’t controlling me, does that imply that I don’t need to worry about the list that follows?
I realize that this isn’t the intention of the article, and that regardless of the meaning of the quoted statement, some of these things would still be useful. I just find it a bit perplexing that this post is organized like this:
“Here are 9 ways to better accomplish X”, where X is vague and mostly undefined.
I do some of these things, and don’t do others, but the main thing I’ve gotten from the article is that now I’m curious what situation in which, “your money is controlling you,” you we re thinking of when you wrote the post.
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To Rubin,
If I was ever unemployed for 6 months, I would get off of my butt and take whatever job I could. I would never let myself be UNEMPLOYED that long. Lazy.
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I’m always surprised that nobody mentions GNUCash with all the other money tracking programs. It’s an Open Source project, so it’s free like speech, but most importantly for the frugal people, it’s free like beer.
It easily meets all my needs for a money tracking software. There’s even a portable version you can take with you on a USB key. Runs on Windows, Linux, and Mac. Upgrades are always free. It even has lots of advanced business features, although I don’t use them.
http://www.gnucash.org
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Good stuff, but I would be very cautious on volunteering for paid research. Some of it is very safe and some of it isn’t. Anything related to pharmaceutical testing, I would cross off my list.
If you live near a university, many schools need volunteer “patients” or research subjects. In college I got paid very handsomely for being what the OB/gyn students called a “talking pelvis”. And you get to help educate doctors in handling patients, rather than just diseases.
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Nice Post. i would definetely reccomend “Magic of Thinking Big” for motivation. I am reading it now and it’s doing wonders by giving me a second perspective. I also followed the snow ball method for debt reduction, knocked off 13,000 dollars in debt frm June-08 till date and I started debt reduction by first opening an emergency account.
Every tip that you have mentioned in your post -works. I am living it.
Thanks JD.
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So this is unrelated to topic, but I figured I’d throw it up here now anyway.
I’ve stopped reading this blog. I’m actually going to unsubscribe my RSS feed soon as well.
It’s not because of the content, or any vendetta I have. It’s because I followed the advice and I didn’t like what my life became. Let me explain.
When you watch every penny you make and cut your spending so that you can save every dollar, your whole perspective on life changes. Everything becomes about, what am I giving up in order to buy this or do that? I slowly cut out all but the essentials. I saved a good amount of money, which I then prudently invested in stocks (a little early…) and am now stuck with unrealized losses until the market picks back up.
The problem with this is all that I missed out on. Sure you end up with more money, but I’d rather exchange the money on something of value, something that will improve myself, help me to relate to others and end up being an investment in myself to make it easier for me to make more money in the future.
After I decided to change my ways and loosen my spending, I started learning how to make more money. I go out and live life now, make new friends, increase my network and create more worth. I’m kicking off my own business and with the network I have I’ll become a great success by delivering more value to the people I help. I would never have been able to make the decision to make this kind of investment if I had kept watching every penny and weighing every purchasing decision with some guilt trip with the imaginary alternatives.
So, it’s up to all of you what you want. I still track my finances. I still don’t spend in excess or run up debt. But I do live my life, and I do invest in myself and my future and make sure my value continues to grow, as well as the value I can offer others.
Thank you JD for all your advice, I appreciate it but, I’m moving on.
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Annie #14
Most people stay unemployed until they find the “perfect” job making what they used to make or more. We found ourselves in the same position a few years ago (newly relocated to a new state without jobs). There was no question about jobs as we had already planned to take the FIRST available jobs (within reason). We are both Tech professionals but within a week, I landed a retail job at the mall while my husband delivered pizzas. I found a professional job 3 months later.
You must be willing to work with what is available. Good Luck!
-Charlotte
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@John, post 37:
I understand where John is coming from. I don’t echo his sentiments exactly, but I understand why he feels the way he does. I’ve thought about similar issues before, and thought about writing about them myself, although I don’t know where I’d share that writing. Email it directly to J.D. and see if he was interested in posting about it, maybe?
The main point I’ve thought about is that the mechanics of saving money are pretty easy — you lean a bit about interest rates and compounding and average return and such, and then with some basic math skills, it becomes pretty easy to determine how much money to put where such that you’ll probably have certain amounts on certain dates.
So, that’s why there’s so much repetition about these subjects on the internet. Every finance site and blog has done at least one article on these topics, and with Google, you can find all you need to know about calculating interest such that you can minimize the amount you need to pay. At this point, you no longer really need to read about this sort of thing every day, because you’ve got it figured out. It’s like your high school algebra class. It may have been challenging while you were doing it, but once you’ve figured it out and passed the class, you no longer need to read the textbook every day. This is sort of the “first stage” of getting your financial life in order.
Once you move past that stage of personal finance, and know what you’re trying to accomplish, the challenge becomes, “how do I make myself want to accomplish this goal that I’ve set more than I want to (for instance) buy a new TV, or go out to eat every night?” This brings up some interesting questions about psychology and our consumer culture. Can you convince yourself that you’re not missing out on life without having a new TV? How? What are traps that will drive you back towards wanting a new TV and how do you avoid them?
This is a difficult topic, and there is *always* going to be ways to improve in this area, and new challenges to overcome. That doesn’t matter though, in the end. The reason for this is something I’ve found out during the last year — once you get to a point where your financial situation is sufficiently stable and productive, it doesn’t matter if you’re doing perfectly at avoiding indulgences, only that you’re doing “well enough”. Use this as an example situation:
You’re doing fairly well. You’ve paid off all your debts. You max out retirement accounts. You’ve saved a (for instance) $10,000 emergency fund. You still spend less than you earn. You watch your account balances continue to increase. You’ve done “well enough”. You’ve covered all the basics and are still bringing in more than you spend. You’ve succeeded in the “second stage” of your personal finance.
Now you start to enter the “third stage” which is where I think John is at, and why he may no longer be finding GRS to be useful to him. The question now becomes “why”? Why do you continue to save after all your needs are met? Not to pay off debts, that’s done. Not to buy a nicer house, you’ve determined that was superfluous in the previous stage of your financial development. Not for retirement, you have a separate account just for that. Not for emergencies, you have enough saved for those already to cover any realistic emergency with any likelihood of actually happening.
Yet still, you watch your account balances creep up over time. First $10,000, then $11,000, at the end of the year maybe you pass $20,000. You begin to wonder — what am I doing this for? Bigger numbers in my bank account don’t make me happier. I passed the point where I improved my quality of life by eliminating stress caused by finances a while ago, yet here I am, still toiling away for no real benefit other than to increase numbers in a bank account.
You start to think, “Am I working harder than I should? Should I be taking more vacations? Maybe I *can* afford that new TV I wanted — but will it improve my life at all?”
After you get to this point you stop worrying so much about “how can I save money”, from either a technical or psychological standpoint, and you start to think:
“Why? Why am I saving all this money? What is it that I really want to be expending this energy *for*?”
I realize that many people haven’t gotten to this stage in their finances yet, and also that it really is one of those problems that’s good to have. But still, I’ve found myself hitting this point recently. I’ve watched J.D. report on his financial state recently, and wondered if he may be hitting it as well. It also seems to be a point that John has hit recently, and he seems to have found some of his answers, and as such, he’s been able to move beyond what GRS is offering him, because it’s a topic that GRS hasn’t really spent much time covering so far.
If in fact J.D. is getting to this same point that John seems to have reached, and that I’m personally reaching, I wonder if he’ll start to write more from that perspective. He may not need to cover the earlier stages in his financial development as much — after all, he has several years worth of posts covering all that material already, and anyone just starting on this financial path will still be able to look up those archived articles.
I don’t mean to be presumptuous about what J.D. should write about on his own site, or to pretend that I have any right to dictate where he should direct his attention in the future. I just see this emerging group of people — well, a group that I’m sure has always existed, but I just recently discovered because I’ve come to be a part of it over the last year — who have gotten the basics of their finances in order such that they’re no longer a burden, but potentially an opportunity, and I’m finding myself a little without direction. I try to come up with it on my own, and the nice thing is that I can afford now to experiment a bit, but I don’t find much of a community centered around this, not nearly so much as I find for the earlier stages I talked about, which is what GRS and most other personal finance sites seem to focus on.
It’s a difficult question, or maybe even a feeling, to convey, which is why I’ve had difficulty bringing it up in the past, but now that John’s talked about it here, it seems to have acted as a catalyst for me to put down some of what I’ve been thinking on the subject for a while.
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What a fascinating turn this conversation has taken.
@John (#37)
Believe it or not, John, I understand where you’re coming from. Maybe it’s not as apparent as it could be, but I’ve been undergoing a similar crisis of conscience lately. I’ve become aware that while thrift and industrious helped me to overcome my debt and to start the progress toward financial wealth, I’ve been neglecting other aspects of my life.
It’s for that reason that I’ve been so interested lately in finding Balance. I don’t want to return to my profligate ways, but having made smart choices, I can now afford to spend a little bit of my money. For the past three years, I’ve been so focused on my financial life, that the other parts of my life are in need of attention — particularly friendships.
Here’s a simple example: I used to be a big reader. I read a lot. For a long time, I read 100+ books every year. In 2007 and 2008, I read some books, but they were mostly books about money. It’s only in the past two months that I’ve begun to read for pleasure again, and what a joy that is. I can’t wait to read more tonight, in fact.
What this comes down to, I think, is that wealth does not bring happiness. Debt can be a burden. And nobody wants to reach old age a pauper. But so long as you avoid debt and set aside enough money for retirement, it’s important to live life.
I was talking with Kris yesterday about the two topics that I wish I covered more at Get Rich Slowly: entrepreneurship and social capital. It actually sounds to me as if John has discovered the value of both of these things. He’s starting a business. He’s developed a social network. Maybe I should spend less time on the nuts-and-bolts of finance, and more on the broader view of wealth. That was my goal when I started Get Rich Slowly, but I feel like I’ve lost sight of that over the past year or so.
I believe that entrepreneurship is one of the best ways to not only boost income, but to derive job satisfaction. I also believe that social capital is as important — or more important — that financial capital. I’ve been reading the Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin lately, and I’m struck by how many times a kindness that Franklin pays to somebody when he’s 20 develops into a friendship that repays him (and the community) later in life. This is social capital, and it’s not talked about enough in our society.
So, I guess what I’m saying, John, is that while I’m sorry to see you go, I understand the need to move on. Get Rich Slowly cannot be all things to all people, and right now it’s not suited to your needs. But in a way, it hasn’t been suited to mine recently, either. It took your comment to make me think about this, but it’s time for me to expand the notion of wealth, and to explore non-monetary aspects of happiness and good living.
@Tyler (#39)
You make an interesting delineation of the “stages” of personal finance. I like it. I’d argue that it’s not just John who has reached the “third stage” of personal finance — that’s where I am, too. I’ve done “well enough” and am now looking for an answer to the question “why?”
In particular, Tyler, this part really hit home for me:
You start to think, “Am I working harder than I should? Should I be taking more vacations? Maybe I *can* afford that new TV I wanted — but will it improve my life at all?” After you get to this point you stop worrying so much about “how can I save money”, from either a technical or psychological standpoint, and you start to think: “Why? Why am I saving all this money? What is it that I really want to be expending this energy *for*?”
This is exactly where I am, especially with the “Am I working harder than I should?” question. I’ve actually reduced my posting frequency at GRS because I’ve come to realize that my free time is more valuable than I had given it credit. That doesn’t mean I’m slacking. I still work hard. But I’m coming to see that life is more about work and earning money. After a certain point, it’s time to say “enough”.
The hard part for me, running GRS, is balancing the need to write about this “third stage”, writing about the “why”, writing about the next steps without leaving the basics behind. I’m under the impression that many GRS readers still want and need information on debt reduction and on frugality. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe most of the audience is ready to look at some of the next steps, ready to think about the relationship between meaning and money.
So I guess what would be useful to me, John and Tyler, is a list or discussion of the questions you now face at this stage, of the ideas you’re considering, of the things that you’re finding valuable in your own life, of the books or articles that you’re finding relevant to your situation.
Thanks to both of you for your thoughtful comments.
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You know, one thing that would help me move beyond the basics, and to focus on meaning, is to have a way for new readers to more effectively find the core content of this site. If the information on saving and frugality and debt reduction was easily accessible, I’d feel more comfortable spending my time on other subjects.
This is mainly just a note to myself to do something about this problem.
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To: John and Tyler (37 & 39)
Subject: Why I read this blog
(and it’s not to get out of debt…)
What I personally find great about this blog is that it is a collection of people who actually think about their finances. We are all a different points in our financial lives but the thing we have in common is that we are all putting some thought into it. Very few of my friends and family really want to talk about thier personal finances. I find it great to be able to discuss personal finance with a great group of people.
That said I do not always agree with all of you. Saving a few cents on hot chocolate is not a concern of mine. I think the bigger picture issues of money is to spend in a way that is meaningful to you. If you haven’t figured that out yet it is fine but once you do you will know what you’re saving for.
I really like the balanced money concept from All Your Worth. It gives people who need to save more a goal point to look to and gives people who have been overly focused on saving permission to spend. (permission to spend might be the point you’re at – if so let go of the guilt and spend with the knowledge that everything else is covered – it’s so much more fun that way) Just make sure you’re really at that point (we all have a tendency to kid ourselves…)
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Regarding #4 (start an emergency account). Is that not quite your style? You don’t want to plan for an emergency?
Bust Magazine had a great variation on this. They talked about creating a “f**** you” account in case you want to tell you boss to take a hike. Same principle, same fund, but it covers both things you do to your boss or that your boss does to you.
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For us, finding ways to earn more/ extra money has been really important.
While we’re not “there” yet, I would be interested in posts taking the direction you talk about in the above comments, J.D., about wealth and worth and the like. I hope and plant o build up residual income now while I am young.
I want my family to be able to live without constant worry about money and bills.
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I started reading PF blogs two years ago, and I also have grown to the state where articles about how to get out of debt bore me. Seems to me way too many PF blogs are trying to hit the lucrative “how to get out of credit card debt” search engine page and not documenting their own personal growth, but instead still targeting mainly the lowest common denominator.
GRS has done a better idea job of ‘growing up’ along with its readers, than some PF blogs have, and the reason I find it so interesting still is the more philosophical topics about money. Even if you look at advanced investing blogs they will have not have these types of discussions, as far as I know they are not there. Some other blogs have also similarly grown, others haven’t.
If you look at Money magazine they have had the same formula for 30 years and are still at the top, so there is no question this type of formula is a very important market from journalistic point of view (more so than targeting ‘advanced’ individuals). However, the internet should be good at catering to more niche topics, more than print magazine can, so the opportunity is probably there.
There are plenty of topics I would like to see on PF blogs such as:
– stocks (something more advanced than US index funds in tax advantaged accounts)
– investing in stocks outside the US
– foreign currency investing
– commodity investing
– working abroad
– what money is and how it works around the world, the history of it, the future of it, etc.
– how to take off 10 years and ride a motorcycle around the planet
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I believe John and JD have put into words what I have spent hours searching for in various pf blogs. I don’t need to be told the basics, have them covered, but what to do next. I opened a 10k CD because I didn’t want to put the money towards retirement and wasn’t ready to tackle the kitchen remodel, but did I have other options? I will admit some of the next steps confuse me. Opening a money market – got that, buying bonds or anything else really…hrm, not so comfortable.
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I think people who have decided to unsubscribe to this blog have been missing something here. I have not felt that this blog is all about simply scrounging to save pennies and not having a full, happy life. There have been many posts that have addressed this point. I’d even go so far as to say it comes up nearly every week. I agree that I know the basics and would be happy to see more about life enrichment in non-monetary ways, but I disagree that this site encourages you to be a miserly cash hoarder.
I liked the infamous hot chocolate post. I like little hacks about saving pennies, even though I have a great income and plenty of money to spare. It makes me happy to know that I am preventing waste in the universe in some way. I reuse sandwich bags. That being said, I don’t hesitate to spend money for fun. I spent $250 a ticket to go to a gourmet food exposition for a day. What the heck, you only live once. Reusing plastic bags and stretching hot chocolate mix is a fun game for some of us. If it makes you unhappy, why would you do it? The motto of this site is ‘do what works for you’, not ‘save money even when it’s emotionally draining you’. It’s about the joy of getting out of debt, not the misery of sitting on top of wealth. That’s my take anyway. so cheers to JD.
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@John and @Tyler:
I think you both raise up a great point and I’ve enjoyed following the discussion your posts created. A lot has already been said but to add my 2 cents, I think we’re starting to see J.D. already move to the next stage. Look at this NY’s goals – one of them is to start saving for Mini Cooper that he always wanted. So yes, once you learn the basics, pay off your debt, have emergency fund, etc., you naturally start turning toward pursuing the things that you want or those that fulfill you and bring you contentment/happiness. The whole point of getting rid of debt and providing for your future financial security is to be free — free from the burden of debt to pursue what your heart desires. I paid off my debt 14 months ago and about 4 months ago completed my emergency fund and began making regular contributions toward retirement. Now, I am free to pursue what our family always wanted to do more of — skiing and travel. Thanks to the better financial habits we’ve learned, our family will visit 2 or maybe even 3 new countries this year and we will make at least one trip every year after that. And then there’s the “social capital” that JD is talking about – that’s something we’ve always wanted to do too and the new financial freedom is now allowing us to. Our motivation for this comes from our religious background (“You’ve been given more than you need to share with those in need”) but even if you are not religious, you can find much fulfillment in using your funds to help others / your community (as JD points out). Now that JD is moving to this next “stage” as well, I think we’ll see his blog reflect that but even when you’re sitting on the boatload of wealth, it is good to be reminded of the basics.
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This is a great post and a great blog in general. One thing I struggle with is the concept you touch on repeatedly in terms of not being a slave to your money. Agree 100%.
The thing I’ve found, though, when totally focused on spending habits as you recommend, I’ve become the same slave. My money (or my focus on the money) has preoccupied my life in the same way.
Any advice?
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I’m still at the emergency fund step, but have no other debt besides the mortgage. Still, I like that J.D. and some of the readers and commenters are farther along the path than I am. For one thing, they are proof that success is possible and also an example of what to consider next. I dig through the archives on how to get out of debt, even though I don’t have consumer debt, just because it’s interesting and J.D.’s a good writer. It’s a quality read, and I’m still learning. Thanks, J.D.!
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